AT&T wants us to be legit and not steal tether and this and that for Wht? They cap out speeds and when we finally get good Android phones its held down by moto blurr and a bootloader that is locked..... what do we do? How can we protest this? Lol maybe we should spray paint HSUPA AND #UNLOCKMOTO on store windows hahaha. Its wrong but its the only way to hitem how theyed care... financially that's the key to slowing them down financial hits. But really how can we get their attention?
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AT&T wants us to be legit and not steal tether and this and that for Wht? They cap out speeds and when we finally get good Android phones its held down by moto blurr and a bootloader that is locked..... what do we do? How can we protest this? Lol maybe we should spray paint HSUPA AND #UNLOCKMOTO on store windows hahaha. Its wrong but its the only way to hitem how theyed care... financially that's the key to slowing them down financial hits. But really how can we get their attention?
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I have been wondering this as well. We need to organize or something. It has to start somewhere, I think everyone is aware of how bad corporate America has gotten but where is the breaking point?
project mayhem
frankiedizzle87 said:
AT&T wants us to be legit and not steal tether and this and that for Wht? They cap out speeds and when we finally get good Android phones its held down by moto blurr and a bootloader that is locked..... what do we do? How can we protest this? Lol maybe we should spray paint HSUPA AND #UNLOCKMOTO on store windows hahaha. Its wrong but its the only way to hitem how theyed care... financially that's the key to slowing them down financial hits. But really how can we get their attention?
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Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.
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Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.
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Its not that easy when you have family plans and your kind of trapped. $350 per line is a lot. Yea I might beable to fight with them and get out of it but it doesnt always work.
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I have been wondering this as well. We need to organize or something. It has to start somewhere, I think everyone is aware of how bad corporate America has gotten but where is the breaking point?
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Corporate America is one thing, but consumers are largely at fault as well. Just look at the 'solutions' people talk about. Vandalism? These are franchises. You think that at&t store down the street is owned and operated directly by the corp? You're hurting local business owners.
The reality is, there's zero creativity on the part of irked consumers. They don't know how to get a message out, they don't know how to start a counter-culture. Today's 'rebels' all depend on 'the man' to keep in touch with each other anyway. They sit around on their thumbs signing contracts they don't read because HAVING service is all that matters at the time. We wait for competitors to sound attractive enough, but in the end brand loyalty and other principles are a higher priority.
We sit around waxing philosophical about open standards and open source and the openness of Android, but what if Android was a Verizon exclusive? Would you completely bend over and submit to everything anticonsumer about VZN just so you can proudly wear at least ONE badge of principles for supporting an open OS? Or is it perhaps better in the long run to support even the most locked down software and ecosystems as long as the carrier and the bigger picture meet ethical standards?
Frankly, I'd rather buy based on carrier FIRST, knowing that even if my platform today isn't brilliant, I'm supporting a network i'd rather see future platforms target.
We get so caught up beating off to open software that we ignore the reality that infrastructure is a 500x more important battle. And then we just betch and sob when the infrastructure isn't the way we want it.
Man up, stop worrying so much about whether something has the almighty GPL stamp of approval, and pay attention to the real war we should be fighting. And not with hashtags.
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Not defending AT&T by any means but you can't seriously be upset that AT&T doesn't want people to cheat their system and tether for free or can you? I tether for free and I'd expect AT&T to not want users to do this as it takes away from their revenue something any business wants not something they want to lose.
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Not defending AT&T by any means but you can't seriously be upset that AT&T doesn't want people to cheat their system and tether for free or can you? I tether for free and I'd expect AT&T to not want users to do this as it takes away from their revenue something any business wants not something they want to lose.
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I will pay AT&T for anything...
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!
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Corporate America is one thing, but consumers are largely at fault as well. Just look at the 'solutions' people talk about. Vandalism? These are franchises. You think that at&t store down the street is owned and operated directly by the corp? You're hurting local business owners.
The reality is, there's zero creativity on the part of irked consumers. They don't know how to get a message out, they don't know how to start a counter-culture. Today's 'rebels' all depend on 'the man' to keep in touch with each other anyway. They sit around on their thumbs signing contracts they don't read because HAVING service is all that matters at the time. We wait for competitors to sound attractive enough, but in the end brand loyalty and other principles are a higher priority.
We sit around waxing philosophical about open standards and open source and the openness of Android, but what if Android was a Verizon exclusive? Would you completely bend over and submit to everything anticonsumer about VZN just so you can proudly wear at least ONE badge of principles for supporting an open OS? Or is it perhaps better in the long run to support even the most locked down software and ecosystems as long as the carrier and the bigger picture meet ethical standards?
Frankly, I'd rather buy based on carrier FIRST, knowing that even if my platform today isn't brilliant, I'm supporting a network i'd rather see future platforms target.
We get so caught up beating off to open software that we ignore the reality that infrastructure is a 500x more important battle. And then we just betch and sob when the infrastructure isn't the way we want it.
Man up, stop worrying so much about whether something has the almighty GPL stamp of approval, and pay attention to the real war we should be fighting. And not with hashtags.
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Vandalism??? I haven't thought of that....hmmmm....
On a serious note, I agree with what you are saying.
(I would have felt better about agreeing with you if you weren't being so abrasive about it, I don't know what "manning up" has to do with it)
Regardless, there is something wrong with the current system of marketing and commercialism. Trust me, I feel bad when I sit here and complain about upload speeds when there is real tragedies happening in the world (eg. Japan) but when it comes to it, this is beyond cellular carriers and beyond truth in advertising. This is more about a global brainwash. Corporations rule the world, and we are going to regret it.
The evolution underlying the Atrix highlights the problem even more. I have unlimited data on my phone. My phone natively possesses the ability to output to a webtop. But if I dock my phone to use the webtop then I have to pay for tethering? That's absurd. And if a developer creates a workaround then I'm violating my contract? Utter bull****.
The evolution underlying the prosecution's case against me highlights the problem even more. I can buy all of the bullets for my gun that I want. My gun natively possesses the ability to kill people. But if I shoot some guy on the beach because the sun is in my eyes, I'm somehow breaking the law? That's absurd.
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I will pay AT&T for anything...
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!
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I agree with you on that, tethering should be free since you are already paying for the data. Since it isn't though stealing the feature (again not saying anything since I do it too) isn't going to be something they try to not stop.
I'll continue using Barnacle until I see them say something to me.
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I will pay AT&T for anything...
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!
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Err...what's supposed to be free? Tethering isn't supposed to be free at all...it's pretty clearly written in your contract.
And I think it's hilarious/sad that so many people are upset with AT&T that the Atrix has Motoblur, a locked bootloader, and you can't tether for free. Are you kidding? Motorola has complete control over the first 2 things and Tethering isn't free because it's a huge drain on their network and is a service they actually provide for payment.
Would you walk into Walmart and be pissed when they yell at you for stealing a TV? No...because it's something they provide a service for that you'd be trying to evade.
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Err...what's supposed to be free? Tethering isn't supposed to be free at all...it's pretty clearly written in your contract.
And I think it's hilarious/sad that so many people are upset with AT&T that the Atrix has Motoblur, a locked bootloader, and you can't tether for free. Are you kidding? Motorola has complete control over the first 2 things and Tethering isn't free because it's a huge drain on their network and is a service they actually provide for payment.
Would you walk into Walmart and be pissed when they yell at you for stealing a TV? No...because it's something they provide a service for that you'd be trying to evade.
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I think the only thing wrong with your analogy is that paying for tethering when you already pay for data use, is NOT similar to stealing a TV from Walmart. It would be like going to Walmart and having to pay to be checked out when you already have to pay for the items in your cart. They do it because people will pay for it, it is that simple. If you don't like it change carriers or become an executive at AT&T and change it.
I don’t really get the tethering for the new plans either. They give an extra 2gb and it is the same price as going over by 2gb. They should just offer free tethering and if yougo over you would still pay the overage (10gb for$ 10).
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I don’t really get the tethering for the new plans either. They give an extra 2gb and it is the same price as going over by 2gb. They should just offer free tethering and if yougo over you would still pay the overage (10gb for$ 10).
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It's actually 1GB per $10, but you're right, it's the same price so why not just give us the tethering and charge $10 for every GB we go over but instead it could only be charged if we use the entire GB. Oh, I know, I'm living in a fantasy world.
iv been with att for a very long time and have suffered with edge for ever,they keep telling me ill have the service i pay for soon,heard that for three years,maybe they should give me a refund or manup and provide the service they charge for i love my atrix and they love my money but dont put out,and they want more ha iv had unlimited data since the release of iphone 3g ,my average is 2 or 3 gigs on there network i use wifi more than there network because its not there,and if i want to teather i will barnical rules,that is when im in an area i can,the only one who should feel riped off is me and you that dont get the service we pay for not the guy who dont want to have an internet plan at home and kill 25 + gigs off there network
Its against the law and its called Theft of service. So if att or any other cellphone provider wants they can come after you.
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Aldiggi said:
Its against the law and its called Theft of service. So if att or any other cellphone provider wants they can come after you.
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So hide yo kidz, hide yo wife, and hide yo huzband, cuz they're ****ing everybody out here
jkrohn said:
Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.
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Im already on two years and a family plan I bought off contract
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I just got my new evo from radioshack after the first one bricked on the update. Anyone try to root the evo that has the new update....im sorta scared ever since the brick....got lucky enough to find a phone at radioshack since everywhere else is sold out....
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I just got my new evo from radioshack after the first one bricked on the update. Anyone try to root the evo that has the new update....im sorta scared ever since the brick....got lucky enough to find a phone at radioshack since everywhere else is sold out....
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Did you update your new phone or did it come updated?
patience young padawan...
dehelflix said:
Did you update your new phone or did it come updated?
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Came updated with the latest update that bricked my first phone.....i really miss the wifi tether and flashing new roms...
As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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Sprint sells us unlimited data and you're sad when people use it? What is an appropriate amount of data to use?
I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
gthing said:
What is an appropriate amount of data to use?
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Never really thought about that, but I guess they could handle that the way Google handles Gmail memory. Maybe take the total available and divide that by the number of users, add another gig or 2 to be safe? As the network improves, that cap should go up. Gmail handles it like that, your memory cap is slowly climbing as more becomes available.
I realize bandwidth and storage capacity are 2 different things because of things like peek usage hours and whatnot. However I am sure they could come to a reasonable formula with that approach.
Is it cool if we take up a collection for the first team/dev to crack it? The devs definately deserve it (although many might not even want the money), so it seems like they should get something and we help kick up the motivation a notch as well. Maybe this is a no-no, idk. Just a thought
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As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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I guess you like bending over or being bent over (by Sprint or otherwise) without been taken out on a date first eh. bad joke, don't take offence eh. Geez...but isn't that what you're being charged extra premium data for?
I picked up an Evo for my girlfriend yesterday and asked them not to put the update on because I didn't have time for it to complete. I said I'd just do it at home. Took it home and rooted that bad boy so fast.
you can't just flash back to the stock rom and reroot?
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I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
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i don't know about you but i'm paying $70 a month for Premium unlimited data and if i want to use it then i will. tethering by wire doesn't take an extra $30, that's for the wifi hotspot feature. use PDAnet app or something similar. on a recent vacation i grabbed 6GB of HDTV shows overnight on 3G, no problem. i'd use 4G if it was up and running in a place i could use it but that hasn't been an option yet. even on 3G it wouldn't be hard to download 100GB a month with a little effort.
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I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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I have a problem with charging extra for tethering and object to it on moral grounds. I believe it is a violation of the concept net neutrality and an illogical charge at that. The only reason people are not up in arms about it is that they don't think of cell carriers as ISPs yet, but that's what they are.
If I download something knot my phone and later transfer it to my computer, is that against sprint's tos? If I do that same thing in an automated way is it a violation? Because that's what tethering is.
Only a matter of time until someone cracks it. The Android dev community is too powerful.
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I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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Hey, I am part owner in a Web Hosting Business so I am very aware of bandwidth prices and limitations.
However, I simply don't agree with people that claim it is a bad thing to use lots of data (regardless of how it is used). If Sprint didn't want us to use as much as we want then they should not have called it an "Unlimited" plan...period!!
If a company offers unlimited and people actually use it, causing the networks to slow down, then that is NOT the customer's fault. Would you fault the customers if a buffet runs out of food? Of course not!
Sprint needs to step up the network and get the infrastructure sorted out so they can hold up to the service they are offering.
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Hey, I am part owner in a Web Hosting Business so I am very aware of bandwidth prices and limitations.
However, I simply don't agree with people that claim it is a bad thing to use lots of data (regardless of how it is used). If Sprint didn't want us to use as much as we want then they should not have called it an "Unlimited" plan...period!!
If a company offers unlimited and people actually use it, causing the networks to slow down, then that is NOT the customer's fault. Would you fault the customers if a buffet runs out of food? Of course not!
Sprint needs to step up the network and get the infrastructure sorted out so they can hold up to the service they are offering.
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i like the analogy there, good stuff. were paying for unlimited data so they can just deal with it.
My stance isn't to protect poor little Sprint from evil users. It's more of an issue I have with people "pissing in the punch" as it were. If we do lose "Unlimited" it will because the few people that gorge themselves. Also when Sprint makes an unlimited plan for phones, I am sure they have the actually device in mind. You can only realistically consume so much data using the actual phone. Its not till you hook the phone up to other devices that your data will skyrocket.
All I am saying is like most privileges in life, if you abuse them you lose them. It's one side of the coin, I am sure you guys can at least see my point. I understand were you guys are coming from, I just think its a bit short sighted.
AT&T threw in the towel(on unlimited), Verizon is likely to follow, I just would hate to also have Sprint give up on us and follow the leader too.
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All I am saying is like most privileges in life, if you abuse them you lose them. It's one side of the coin, I am sure you guys can at least see my point.
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But, its not a privilege or a side of the coin. We payed for UNLIMITED! What is wrong with using UNLIMITED??
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AT&T threw in the towel(on unlimited), Verizon is likely to follow, I just would hate to also have Sprint give up on us and follow the leader too.
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Actually, AT&T never had unlimited (5GB cap). Same with Verizon. Sprint has said 5GB cap as well in their 'unlimited' data plans (with the exception of the Evo, where it's written out specifically), but they very rarely ever enforced it. AT&T and Verizon will charge you up the rear if you go over.
So no, none of the providers ever had unlimited data. It's just a question of their policies.
Also, keep in mind that downloading really isn't the problem. It's uploading that screws with everyone's connection. So for those of you who are running torrents on your connection, STOP. You can and will cause data issues for everyone else on the node, as there's a limited amount of upload bandwith to go around.
Have you read what they're doing lately? To me, this is such a disrespectful move towards Google and the Android OS. Yeah, Android is open source, but you shouldn't let the carriers abuse and diminish Google and the Android name.
I will NEVER join Verizon. Google needs to make a stand for their OS, for their revenue stream, for their stance in the mobile world.
And they need to make a ****ing Nexus Two and sell it better, market it better, offer it for cheaper and sell it online. I believe that they could revive their online phone store if they had the right marketing people to do it. They need to come out with a device that does MORE than everything currently available. They need to put the "making of phones" politics down, put everything in a device that will do everything. I hate it when manufacturers only put current specs, or a little over current specs just to put out a device four months later with a couple upgrades.
Google needs to stay true to its OS, and to its phone line. I would buy every Nexus phone here on out because it has simply been the best phone i have ever owned out of like 20.
/rant over, hope you all agree with me
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Have you read what they're doing lately?
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Um... You mean about the default search? Yes, I have... But you might want to actually explain it or link to it, otherwise your post makes no sense and hence 0 replies
Google won't be mass-producing phones, and there is no "Google phone line". They offer developer phones for developers, they don't produce the phones - they outsource the production to actual phone manufacturers, they did that ever since Android, and that's what they'll do. They won't market their phones, they won't sell their phones, because they don't want to. Go search "Open Handset Alliance", read, and use some brain to understand, why it's not going to happen. Not hard, really.
Google can respond easily, and it already did. Google search in on the Market, anyone can install it. And it just needs to make easily installable VoIP app.
Tried posting a link but don't have access yet. Besides the default search they are bringing the VCast app to android in hopes to compete with the market.
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Welcome to android "openness".
IMO that is neither better or worse than all the manufacturer customizaton crap.
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Welcome to android "openness".
IMO that is neither better or worse than all the manufacturer customizaton crap.
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As a consumer, it is YOUR responsibility to only support products and companies that serve YOUR needs. Giving money out is a way of saying "hey, I like this."
Well DON'T.
If you don't like verizon or what they do, don't give them any money. If everybody shares your opinion, then NOBODY will support verizon and they WILL go under.
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I'd rep you if i could. I too would buy every nexus here on out, by far the nicest phone ive owned and at least 90% of my friends would say the same (that 10 being iphone users )
I just moved from ATT to T-Mobile. Got one of those MyTouch 3G Slides for my mom and the bloatware on it wasn't as bad as what I saw from ATT and Verizon.
Now I read a thing on En or Giz, can't remember which, about Verizon also making its own Android App store and Google are fine with that because they say they want Android everywhere. That's their current goal. In my opinion, it's a double edged sword. On one hand, I think Google should work on a wall for its "garden." But, on the other, it'll no longer be a completely open environment.
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Google won't be mass-producing phones, and there is no "Google phone line". They offer developer phones for developers, they don't produce the phones - they outsource the production to actual phone manufacturers, they did that ever since Android, and that's what they'll do. They won't market their phones, they won't sell their phones, because they don't want to. Go search "Open Handset Alliance", read, and use some brain to understand, why it's not going to happen. Not hard, really.
Google can respond easily, and it already did. Google search in on the Market, anyone can install it. And it just needs to make easily installable VoIP app.
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Actually, I think that Google search is blocked from the market by Verizon ...
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Have you read what they're doing lately?
/rant over, hope you all agree with me
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LMAO, no, I don't agree with you.
It's a business.
I like the phones that HTC makes. I like the phones that Google calls their Developer models (G1 & N1). So, I bought both those phones.
As mentioned by lbcoder, it's YOUR MONEY.
Don't support Verizon.
The only US carrier to respect Android at all has been T-Mobile, who have added some network apps to their phones, but they are removable (i think) and don't change the actual phone experience. Other than that they've supported vanilla Android and Google search- I will stick with them for Android. AT&T and Verizon would not be able to ruin the iPhone like this because of Apple, Google need to step in and stop this disgrace to the market.
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What Android needs is not a wall but a wooden fence- more positive restriction rather than totalitarianism. Like Android is socialist while Apple is fascist.
This is why it's OUR RESPONSIBILITY to root every Android™ device we come into contact with
To free our Family & Friends from the blood sucking tentacles of evil carriers like AT&T and Verizon!
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This is why it's OUR RESPONSIBILITY to root every Android™ device we come into contact with
To free our Family & Friends from the blood sucking tentacles of evil carriers like AT&T and Verizon!
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Is Sprint evil? lol
What you all should do, its stop buying subsidized of the carrier, even off the carrier at all. Buy off internet, third party or the like. The only way too hurt carriers and show them your not happy its to hurt their wallets
Why whinge about it then go down to carrier and buy a phone? They will keep doing it if people keep buying phones
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RellikZephyr said:
What you all should do, its stop buying subsidized of the carrier, even off the carrier at all. Buy off internet, third party or the like. The only way too hurt carriers and show them your not happy its to hurt their wallets
Why whinge about it then go down to carrier and buy a phone? They will keep doing it if people keep buying phones
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Only one problem with that theory!!! 90% of people buying cell phones dont want to spend 400 or more on a phone..( they want that free or spend as less as possible ) lol But I totally agree with you.. Cause I buy phones off craigslist half the time..
RellikZephyr said:
What you all should do, its stop buying subsidized of the carrier, even off the carrier at all. Buy off internet, third party or the like. The only way too hurt carriers and show them your not happy its to hurt their wallets
Why whinge about it then go down to carrier and buy a phone? They will keep doing it if people keep buying phones
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How does that make sense if you then end up paying for the same data and voice plan? By not buying the carrier phone you are essentially GIVING the carrier $400+ for free!
They offer your $400 as a subsidy for a phone if you use their service ... if you don't take the subsidy but use their service, you only shoot yourself in the foot.
Check out this thread on the topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=781833
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How does that make sense if you then end up paying for the same data and voice plan? By not buying the carrier phone you are essentially GIVING the carrier $400+ for free!
They offer your $400 as a subsidy for a phone if you use their service ... if you don't take the subsidy but use their service, you only shoot yourself in the foot.
Check out this thread on the topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=781833
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Like I pointed out in the forum you referenced, a lot of T-Mobile plans are $10 or $20 more a month if you sign up for a 2 year contract. That means subsidized phones on contract cost an additional $240 to $480 more than just the original outlay... Do the math, and see what works for you...
My wife's phone was subsidized by $270 by T-Mo, so I signed up for the contract to get the $270 saving, then paid the $200 early termination fee (saving $70).
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I have N1 on TMobile. My wife has Droid on Verizon. I love my phone, and I like the fact I don't have any bloat-ware, but the Verizon network is way better. Her phone never drops from 3G (not to mention faster in many cases, her phone can pull up web pages faster than mine in most cases even though my phone is faster) and never drops a call. Verizon has to pay for their infrastructure somehow and trying to lock in unsuspecting customers who don't know they have search choices or other choices and use whatever in the default services provided is one of those ways...
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How does that make sense if you then end up paying for the same data and voice plan? By not buying the carrier phone you are essentially GIVING the carrier $400+ for free!
They offer your $400 as a subsidy for a phone if you use their service ... if you don't take the subsidy but use their service, you only shoot yourself in the foot.
Check out this thread on the topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=781833
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I'm not exactly sure how your plans work in America, I'm Australian. They make their money off us here by charging slightly higher call rates on subsidized phones
But to think that a company whose aim is to make money, will give you a $500 phone absolutely free to you, and a cost to them. Thinking that way doesn't make sense
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We all love our T-Mobile service, lets try and do something about it sign the petition:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/stop-t-mobile-from-being-bought-by-att/
EDIT: fixed link.
also found the following that could be helpful:
http://www.cell-phone-towers.com/will-the-att-merger-with-tmobile-help-consumers.html
adinis78 said:
We all love our T-Mobile service, lets try and do something about it sign the petition:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/sto...bought-by-att/
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Or you could do something useful like write, email and call your congressman.
you cant stop it.
and your link doesnt work
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you cant stop it.
and your link doesnt work
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It's possible if enough people let their representatives know they don't like it. But they won't. They never do. And there hasn't been a government with a spine in this country for 20+ years so it'll probably "force" AT&T to make some petty concession in return for the bazillions it'll make off it's substandard service and that'll be that. Americans are self-centered and lazy and you can take that to the bank. AT&T sure will. I mean really, an online petition? Does it get any lazier than that?
Since they aren't breaking any law, there won't ever be a government response.
And nice job with the insulting comments.
Whether they break antitrust laws or not will be decided by DOJ and FCC.
After reading
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-fewer-choices-once-att-swallows-t-mobile.ars
I feel very bad.
Good bye choices, prepare for higher prices and "innovation" that profits only ATT shareholders.
If att does not let me keep a month to month plan once my contract is over with tmo,if they merge, then i will prob go with metropcs or maybe simple mobile so att can look forward to loosing my $170 a month.
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Simple Mobile will sease to exist with T-mobile demise because it is a Tmo reseller.
It won't be any choices but go to Big brothers.
AT&T put billions at stake and they will pay their way unless people raise their voice.
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Simple Mobile will sease to exist with T-mobile demise because it is a Tmo reseller.
It won't be any choices but go to Big brothers.
AT&T put billions at stake and they will pay their way unless people raise their voice.
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Ahhh crap so i guess metropcs would be my only other choise
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Just think about most cases like this, big companies buying big companies out. When has a petition ever stopped it? I agree that its a bit crappy for US people but I Ruby there's anything that can be done abut it.
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Since they aren't breaking any law, there won't ever be a government response.
And nice job with the insulting comments.
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Yes, there will a response because of anti-trust and monopoly laws and prove me wrong about the rest of it. There are entire business models based on the lack of attention and laziness of consumers in this country. Rebates, for example. On the surface you wonder how anyone makes any real money with them but they do because so many people are too lazy and distracted to mail them in. When they do, the first hitch that comes along is the end of it because they don't want to have to pick up the phone and talk to someone. Hell, look at all the questions on here that ask if there's an online way to do something because they don't want to have to pick up a phone and talk to someone. Whining about it doesn't make it less true.
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Yes, there will a response because of anti-trust and monopoly laws and prove me wrong about the rest of it.
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There won't be any of that - you can take your business to Sprint, Verizon, Boost, etc.
Why the venom? Take the edge off!
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Yes, there will a response because of anti-trust and monopoly laws and prove me wrong about the rest of it. There are entire business models based on the lack of attention and laziness of consumers in this country. Rebates, for example. On the surface you wonder how anyone makes any real money with them but they do because so many people are too lazy and distracted to mail them in. When they do, the first hitch that comes along is the end of it because they don't want to have to pick up the phone and talk to someone. Hell, look at all the questions on here that ask if there's an online way to do something because they don't want to have to pick up a phone and talk to someone. Whining about it doesn't make it less true.
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People are over reacting. Show me the anti-trust violation/monopoly violation. People will talk, then after a few weeks it'll be back to Charlie Sheen and his tiger blood, or Lindsay Lohan dropping her last name. Just chill. We'll all be grandfathered into our plans, and we'll be given the choice to update to AT&T when the time comes, or we'll be stuck with what we have. *shakes head at the American People these days*
Well look at the Ma Bell monopoly and innovation that came after breaking it up. Hope it not to much to ask
You think a bunch of people who don't want the merger is going to affect big CEOs who want to make millions is going to change anyone's mind? IF and say again, IF you got 10,000 people to sign a petition, do you think they care? 10,000 people who use T-mobile is nothing compared to the millions that have contracts with them. Your wasting your time. its not about better service or customer support and benefit. Its about M-O-N-E-Y. Always is and always will be. You mean nothing to a major corporation.
If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon. Please do whatever you can to fight against this.
Also motorola and htc are going to start doing the same.
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If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon. Please do whatever you can to fight against this.
Also motorola and htc are going to start doing the same.
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Where have you heard this? This is the first I have heard of it and through multiple google searches it seems that all link to this thread or copies of it. Nothing from any reputable source. Also after speaking with a Verizon rep they thought it was funny and didn't hear about it either.
EDIT: I saw the post by P3droid I still don't buy it. This garbage has been circling the internet for over a year. Not true then, not true now. Also if you read the article HTC and other carriers are thinking about this as well and HTC is already including encrypted bootloaders so point fingers everywhere. Still though Verizon nor any other carrier are going to do anything. Think about it... They are offering the upgrade on Zoom tablets even if you are rooted... That post by P3Droid is simply fear mongering.
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html#post65013
And p3droid doesn't lie.
If this were the case, what would need to be done - watch our data usage so as not to be noticed?
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If my data is suspended I'm going to sue there asses off
V1215 said:
If this were the case, what would need to be done - watch our data usage so as not to be noticed?
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Don't update your phone unless we say its ok because they could put the software on the update.
UPDATE: BREAKING: IF YOU UPDATED TO 2.3.3 VERIZON ALREADY KNOWS AND HAS TRACKED YOU
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If my data is suspended I'm going to sue there asses off
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You're going to sue them because you violated your warranty and TOS?
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You're going to sue them because you violated your warranty and TOS?
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Agreed. Verizon and other carriers could careless about rooted phones. It's users that tether crazy data. I'm rooted and have no desire to tether, never have and probably never will.
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Verizon has already baked tether detection into Gingerbread.
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Is this some kind of April fools? First of all, we should be allowed to use our data allotment however we see fit, the tether plan is nothing more than a money grab. I can connect my computer, and whatever else, and if I run out of data, verizon gets more money that month, since I have to buy more. Preventing us from tethering for free is ridiculous. And frankly, ATT did it for the iphone, but I actually think that's because they have a pathetic network, and they had to find some way to lighten the load. Anyway, this better not be true. Or I'm starting my own wireless company, and it will be FOR the people. While still making plenty of money not having to nickel and dime anybody. That is all.
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To hell with Freedom!!
As a new root user, and a complete N00B. I first would like to say. Thank you! To all the dev teams out there. You guys have made my experience with my amazing Droid X a complete blast. I just love flashing the Liberty 1.5 ROM to all my fellow co-workers that are being strapped by Apple. I for one, being a tech, have heard a lot of backroom conversations. I know these big corporate entities are looking at this forum and asking why college kids can do these amazing things with their devices, but we as mature, hardworking, overpaid corporate big shots can not figure this **** out. It's absolutely hilarious to me. It's a classic Slippery Slope. They can't figure it out, they "Leak" it out source somehow. The underground dev teams take it and make it great, then these corporate beasts take it back all shinny and new, and then throw the developers into the fire. Screaming "Off with their Heads"! "They've stolen from us"! Last I checked we still live in a country, that is if you're reading this from the USA, that still stands for FREEDOM! SDICKER89 said it best from the DEV forum:
"Should I give in, and be unhappy with my phone as stock 2.2 froyo with tons of bloatware that ill never use and slows down my phone every day? Should i deal with the horribly coded motoblur that slows down my phone more than the bloatware? Maybe i should just go back to a standard style phone and use Boost mobile or something cheap and use use my droid x that I PAID FOR, off network as a multimedia device. That way, "the man" can't tell me what i can and can't do. What is everyone else thinking on this subject? "
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This is MY phone! I worked for the money to buy it! I'm the one trying to figure out why I was having to charge my battery all the time. I'm the one that was wondering why my phone wasn't as amazing as the IPhone, when their specs are so close to each other. It's a damn shame! From the brilliant mind of Bill Hicks (R.I.P) "Go back to bed America"! "You're Free to do as we Tell you"! (Youtube: Bill Hicks - Go back to bed America)
To all of you that serve as a DEV team member - from the amateur to the most experienced! "Hats off to you" !
By the way - I just supported - Liberty 2.0 ROM -
/shrugs
I'm sticking to Liberty, and if they limit my data (and I even notice) I'll just switch. I can pay the etf at any given moment and will.
Screw it. They do anything to mine and I am done with Verizon. Straight Talk here I come.
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/shrugs
I'm sticking to Liberty, and if they limit my data (and I even notice) I'll just switch. I can pay the etf at any given moment and will.
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Wouldn't they at that point be breaking their own agreement for unlimited data?
eth3rton said:
Screw it. They do anything to mine and I am done with Verizon. Straight Talk here I come.
Wouldn't they at that point be breaking their own agreement for unlimited data?
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Did I not just break it by rooting and ROMing? That's the way I understand it. Maybe I don't fully understand what's going on here.
When I signed up with my Android I signed up for $30 unlimited data and if they are changing the rules for whatever reason they are breaking the contract. In my opinion I should not pay an ETF for something they have caused... some will argue I rooted/tethered but unlimited is unlimited.
You fail to read the fine print just like credit cards. The carrier can change your plan as they like but must offer you options, ie. Grandfather you until your next upgrade or allow you to leave without a penalty. VZW has done nothing illegal, and like said before, if you rooted the phone you broke the agreement with VZW and have no legs to stand on in a court of law and they can do as they please with your data allotment.
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You fail to read the fine print just like credit cards. The carrier can change your plan as they like but must offer you options, ie. Grandfather you until your next upgrade or allow you to leave without a penalty. VZW has done nothing illegal, and like said before, if you rooted the phone you broke the agreement with VZW and have no legs to stand on in a court of law and they can do as they please with your data allotment.
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Rooting/Jailbreaking is actually legal. Apple already tried to do this for the exact same reasons and failed in court.
This is not about the ability to root/modify. They could care less. What they are annoyed about is how people use root. they dont want their service to be stolen.
If verizon allowed the use of "free" tethering with apps such as wireless tether and barnacle, and bumped up the price of data a little (because data is data, whether you are tethering or on youtube) then not only would the community and myself be happy without the whole data throttling thing because of tethering, but the carrier/moto would also be ecstatic because they get a lot of positive PR from one of the most influential parts of their phone community.
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This is not about the ability to root/modify. They could care less. What they are annoyed about is how people use root. they dont want their service to be stolen.
If verizon allowed the use of "free" tethering with apps such as wireless tether and barnacle, and bumped up the price of data a little (because data is data, whether you are tethering or on youtube) then not only would the community and myself be happy without the whole data throttling thing because of tethering, but the carrier/moto would also be ecstatic because they get a lot of positive PR from one of the most influential parts of their phone community.
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And this is clearly unfair for those rooted users who don't abuse their power. I pay for an unlimited plan and yet 95% of the time my phone is connected to WiFi.
This is all hearsay until we have cases of people having their contracts cancelled or whatnot.
Also you have to realize the point of this whole thing. Its not if you root. Vzw is against you tethering without paying for it. Its a service they offer for money. Its not a free service, so don't expect to get it for free without vzw doing something about it. Just because your phone is capable of it, doesn't mean you get it for free!!!! That's like saying, "my phone is capable of phone calls... I should get them for free!!!"
No you shouldn't. You should pay for it just like everyone else. Just like you should pay to have the tethering service.
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I accepted the OTA but still have full root with s-off, superuser, and recovery.
But today I went to tether with 3G and a message popped up saying I have to add tethering to my plan or whatever... It didn't do this with Froyo... I was able to tether just fine. I very rarely tether because I have an at&t laptop card but once in a great while it doesn't connect so I use my evo.
And before y'all get on me about it, I know you're supposed to pay for tethering.
Thanks in advance
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lmao. wow. okay, little fact. USE WIFI TETHER 3.1-BETA1 IT IS GREAT! BETTER THAN THIS CRAP VERSION IN OUR PHONE! search for it on google. or I think the website is something like http://android-wifi-tether.googlecode.com you'll have to download it to your phone and install it manually. NOT IN THE MARKET! make sure old one is not installed. lolz you're good to go once installed. btw. WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR TETHERING! SPRINT AND OTHER COMPANIES DOING THIS NEED TO STOP SCREWING WITH US! I HAVE A RIGHT TO USE THE FREAKING BANDWIDTH I PAY FOR! just don't abuse the bandwidth. lol.
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lmao. wow. okay, little fact. USE WIFI TETHER 3.1-BETA1 IT IS GREAT! BETTER THAN THIS CRAP VERSION IN OUR PHONE! search for it on google. or I think the website is something like http://android-wifi-tether.googlecode.com you'll have to download it to your phone and install it manually. NOT IN THE MARKET! make sure old one is not installed. lolz you're good to go once installed. btw. WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR TETHERING! SPRINT AND OTHER COMPANIES DOING THIS NEED TO STOP SCREWING WITH US! I HAVE A RIGHT TO USE THE FREAKING BANDWIDTH I PAY FOR! just don't abuse the bandwidth. lol.
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You pay for unlimited mobile to mobile minutes, if there was a hack to tether your voice service to another mobile phone would that be okay too?
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Award Tour said:
You pay for unlimited mobile to mobile minutes, if there was a hack to tether your voice service to another mobile phone would that be okay too?
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Absolutely (in my opinion). Carrier's / ISP's need to abandon this "plan = device" mentality and get with the times. The reality is, what consumers want and expect is "plan = person".
Netflix has done very well by abandoning the old mentality. "I" pay for a plan and "I" can access that plan from any device at any time. If they followed the old model my Netflix streaming account would only work on one device... and I'd bet their growth would have been halved or worse with that strategy.
Market forces will push them where consumers want to go, whether they like it or not. That's exactly what "tethering" is doing: driving the market.
So does anyone know if there's a way to use the stock tethering with rooted gb?
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lmao. wow. okay, little fact. USE WIFI TETHER 3.1-BETA1 IT IS GREAT! BETTER THAN THIS CRAP VERSION IN OUR PHONE! search for it on google. or I think the website is something like http://android-wifi-tether.googlecode.com you'll have to download it to your phone and install it manually. NOT IN THE MARKET! make sure old one is not installed. lolz you're good to go once installed. btw. WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR TETHERING! SPRINT AND OTHER COMPANIES DOING THIS NEED TO STOP SCREWING WITH US! I HAVE A RIGHT TO USE THE FREAKING BANDWIDTH I PAY FOR! just don't abuse the bandwidth. lol.
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So if I update my phone to the newest operating system can I use 3.1beta to wifi tether still? I used some app to root so I can use "wireless tether", but I'm thinking if I update I'll lose that like I did the last time I updated.
Ok nevermind, It's for rooted only phones, If I update I won't be rooted anymore.
josh995 said:
I accepted the OTA but still have full root with s-off.
But today I went to tether with 3G and a message popped up saying I have to add tethering to my plan or whatever... It didn't do this with Froyo... I was able to tether just fine. I very rarely tether because I have an at&t laptop card but once in a great while it doesn't connect so I use my evo.
And before y'all get on me about it, I know you're supposed to pay for tethering.
Thanks in advance
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Being s-off does not mean you are rooted. If you are running the stock ota then you do not have superuser permissions. There are plenty of topics which will solve your problems on these forums. Good luck.
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Award Tour,
I don't get your logic..even with tethering...it still is mobile to mobile..the medium to use is just is different. Does not using Bluetooth device to talk on the phone constitute using voice a external device also count? We don't have to pay a Bluetooth fee now do we. What is then different for using tablet or other device for accessing? This has nothing to do with hacking to another line..or phone for that matter
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Award Tour,
I don't get your logic..even with tethering...it still is mobile to mobile..the medium to use is just is different. Does not using Bluetooth device to talk on the phone constitute using voice a external device also count? We don't have to pay a Bluetooth fee now do we. What is then different for using tablet or other device for accessing? This has nothing to do with hacking to another line..or phone for that matter
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Your argument is dumb. A Bluetooth headpiece is a extension/accessory of the same device.
Contractually you're only allowed to have data on one device. Anything more requires a tethering plan. From my perspective its also wrong to tether because cellular data is a finite resource. Sprint's data network is already in a obvious state of over capacity, having multiple devices sucking down data, with the secondary+ (laptop/desktop/even tablets) using more data because of it's default use case, without contributing resources ($) is not a good thing for either Sprint or all other users.
Sprint is living a dream right now. Unlimited data will eventually go, and when it does and the data caps do come, then I'd support free tethering. If you pay for an allocation of 2-5gb of data on their network then I feel that you can use it however you want. For now though I side with Sprint.
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And before y'all get on me about it, I know you're supposed to pay for tethering.
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That was the worst excuse I've read all morning.
"Yeah, yeah. Listen, Officer. Before you get on me about it, I know you're supposed to pay for televisions. Now, are you going to help me load this into my pick-up or what?"
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Being s-off does not mean you are rooted. If you are running the stock ota then you do not have superuser permissions. There are plenty of topics which will solve your problems on these forums. Good luck.
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I do have superuser permissions, and amon ra recovery. Able to flash roms. Etc... I am 100% rooted with the stock OTA ROM. That's why I'm confused as to why tethering won't work.
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That was the worst excuse I've read all morning.
"Yeah, yeah. Listen, Officer. Before you get on me about it, I know you're supposed to pay for televisions. Now, are you going to help me load this into my pick-up or what?"
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Actually no. It's more like me stealing a pack of gum, considering I tether literally like 25mb a month with sprint.
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This thread is going places............
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This thread is going places............
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many places just not in the intended direction
I was with you until you said you would tether if you paid for an allocation ( 2-5gb).
That makes no sense, because if you don't breach your contract when you are paying for "unlimited data" why the heck would you when you have limits? Makes no sense to me, is one or the other, can't have it both way specially when it makes no sense at all, atleast to me.
Is like, imagine a restaurant gives you unlimited refills and they bring it on this "shot glass" but since its unlimited you want to Exchange it for a bigger cup, they tell you that's 5 bucks extra to do that, and you are fine with it, you won't wait till they are not looking to snatch the bigger cup for free.
But then if the policy changes to where you can only refill that shot glass three to five times, and not unlimited times, and still get the bigger cup for 5 bucks, then you will be alright taking the risk of getting cough by snatching the bigger cup? See how that makes no sense? Taking the risk for a smaller reward.
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Actually no. It's more like me stealing a pack of gum, considering I tether literally like 25mb a month with sprint.
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In the last 50 years, corporate taxes have been going down as a percentage of government revenue while individual taxes have provided a larger and larger share of the Government tax base. The top 1% of income earners (meaning CEOs and the like) own 34% of the country's wealth while the bottom 80% own just 15%. Corporations spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year to lobby (aka: bribe) congress to promote their own selfish corporate interests, and the Supreme Court just granted them the right to spend unlimited funds promoting their chosen presidential candidate. They relocate their coporate offices to a post-office box in the Cayman islands to avoid U.S. Taxes. Copyright laws have been extended numerous times by corporate owned legislators to prevent cultural cash cows from entering the public domain where people could enjoy them free of charge. We have a tax code that is tailored to corporate interests at the expense of ordinary citizens. Firms like Walmart aggressively fight unionization efforts (yaaaay capitalism when it suits us) in their stores and through state legislatures all while bribing their bought-and-paid-for legislators to institute price-caps on credit and charge card companies (yaaaay Socialism when it suits us). Between 2000 and 2008, Wall Street and the banks operated what was essentially a massive pump and dump operation that left millions of Americans owing tens of thousands of dollars more on their homes than the homes were worth, and nearly sunk the economy in the process, while Wall Street titans and banking CEOs walked away with billions upon billions of dollars in profits. Not one of the top corprate scam artists has seen a day of jail time, but instead have been the beneficiaries of billions of dollars in bonuses. Hedge fund managers pay a tax rate of just 15% on tens and sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars they make through managing other people's money (they keep their tax rates low by buying off legislators). When the oil company BP nearly destroyed the economy of the Gulf States through an accident caused by reckless drilling practices, we had politicians describing a meager $20 billion repayment fund as government "extortion" while apologizing to the company for the unfair way it was being treated by the government.
In this context anyone who loses a day of sleep because they're rooting their phone and getting free wireless tethering out of the deal needs to just take a bus to New York City and personally lick Donald Trump's brown eye clean the next time he takes a dump.
The next time you have an opportinuty to screw a giant corporation you shouldn't ask yourself "is it right or wrong" you should ask yourself "how likely am I to get caught, and can I deal with the consequences if I do."
These sorts of questions of right and wrong make sense in a Democracy. In a plutocracy (which is what we've become over the last 50 years) they are at best quaint, and at worst naive.
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I do have superuser permissions, and amon ra recovery. Able to flash roms. Etc... I am 100% rooted with the stock OTA ROM. That's why I'm confused as to why tethering won't work.
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You are extremely dense. Having superuser permissions doesn't magically allow you to tether with the stock tethering app. You need to do more than root a stock rom for it to work. Figure it out yourself.
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I was with you until you said you would tether if you paid for an allocation ( 2-5gb).
That makes no sense, because if you don't breach your contract when you are paying for "unlimited data" why the heck would you when you have limits? Makes no sense to me, is one or the other, can't have it both way specially when it makes no sense at all, atleast to me.
Is like, imagine a restaurant gives you unlimited refills and they bring it on this "shot glass" but since its unlimited you want to Exchange it for a bigger cup, they tell you that's 5 bucks extra to do that, and you are fine with it, you won't wait till they are not looking to snatch the bigger cup for free.
But then if the policy changes to where you can only refill that shot glass three to five times, and not unlimited times, and still get the bigger cup for 5 bucks, then you will be alright taking the risk of getting cough by snatching the bigger cup? See how that makes no sense? Taking the risk for a smaller reward.
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Your argument/example is both dumb and confusing.
Situation unlimited: you pay for unlimited soda refills, cheating would mean filling the cups of other people with your unlimited refills. I wouldn't support this at all.
Situation limited: you pay for 1 gallon worth of soda, you *should* be able to use it however the hell you want.
That said, I wouldn't recommend breaching a contract under any circumstances. I just want to point out that I'd make an argument for it. Like how the OP somehow feels he should be entitled to tether Sprint's unlimited for free, I think you should be entitled to use a data allocation anyway you want.
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I do have superuser permissions, and amon ra recovery. Able to flash roms. Etc... I am 100% rooted with the stock OTA ROM. That's why I'm confused as to why tethering won't work.
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Unlocking a car doesn't make it go.
The "stock" OTA rom doesn't have root, but if you flashed superuser, or actually flashed the rooted version of the OTA then yes, you are rooted. But you're still running a stock ROM, which means you don't have a free tethering solution built in. You now have the ability to add one, whether it's the wireless tether from the market, a hacked version of the Sprint tether, or a different ROM that has the Android built-in tethering restored. Until you do one of those, you're just running the ROM Sprint released, and they certainly didn't give you any tools in that ROM to allow you to tether for free.
Award Tour said:
You pay for unlimited mobile to mobile minutes, if there was a hack to tether your voice service to another mobile phone would that be okay too?
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So you think we should pay for using bluetooth earpiece when making a call?
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