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The guy who wrote this article is an ididot

I saw this on Digg, read it and left a very angry comment. This is a horrible article.
http://www.informationweek.com/blog...l;jsessionid=GPDCAHFFTFPQTQE1GHRSKH4ATMY32JVN
Yea I spelled idiot wrong, Its for dramatic effect.

kylepotts said:
I saw this on Digg, read it and left a very angry comment. This is a horrible article.
http://www.informationweek.com/blog...l;jsessionid=GPDCAHFFTFPQTQE1GHRSKH4ATMY32JVN
Yea I spelled idiot wrong, Its for dramatic effect.
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kyle I think you misunderstood.
of course google is not producing the handsets, but rumors have it that they will realease an android phone manufactured/designed by them.
The guy that wrote the article didnt mean that google shouldnt develop android, only that it is a risky business for google to enter in, while they can just sit back and reap the benefits of the wide diffusion android is having.
and to be honest, in more than a way, i kind of agree with him.

Despite interpretations, that article is STILL retarded.
For example; how about the fact that Google *already did it* -- a year ago.
In fact, I have one.
It came in a box labelled "Android Dev Phone 1".
Second, this is *exactly* what the mobile phone business *needs*. It should be CRIMINAL for a carrier to peddle hardware.
The effect of separating the carrier from the hardware is this;
1) It destroys the links between plans and devices, i.e., they won't be saying that if you want X phone, you need to buy an X plan at $827.50/month.
2) It eliminated the subsidization component of phone plans, which given fair competition means that plans should drop in price.
3) It means that YOU as the customer get to choose the hardware that YOU want. Do you let your LANDLINE provider tell you what telephone to use? Or do you go to radio shack and buy whichever one you want? Do you let your internet provider tell you what computer to buy?
4) It means elimination of network locks, and freedom to change providers AT WHIM.
5) It means elimination of long term CONTRACTS, and freedom to change providers at WHIM.
6) It means that when a provider gets a customer, they need to continue to compete with other providers, otherwise the customer will switch.
7) Did I mention that competition leads to LOWER PRICES?

man, relax...
first of all I never said it wouldnt be a great thing for consumers if they do. I know it would, and agree with you that carriers have been playing consumers for years. the guy that wrote the article simply stated the reasons why google shouldnt do that, from a business point of view. it is a huge risk and i doubt the results would be the same as we are used to (Hero etc), at least initially.
(ADP1 was/is in limited availability.. IMHO they made that to 'test' the market reception towards a new mobile OS).

kylepotts said:
I saw this on Digg, read it and left a very angry comment. This is a horrible article.
http://www.informationweek.com/blog...l;jsessionid=GPDCAHFFTFPQTQE1GHRSKH4ATMY32JVN
Yea I spelled idiot wrong, Its for dramatic effect.
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This has to be one of the stupidest articles I have ever read. First Google doesn't even make the phones manufactures lie HTC do. Google creates the OS on the device. You says "Additionally, there's absolutely no indication that Google knows how to develop a high-end smartphone that will draw in the crowds." How is that even possible when Google doesn't create smart phones?
You say that Google will create a netbook with android on it, and then start talking about android on smartphones. Android on smartphones and android on netbooks are very different beasts.
Horrible article. Do you research next time
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maybe YOU need to learn how to read and interpret information.
google is PLANNING on MAKING their OWN DEVICES and start a phone manufacturing business.
android is not made by google anyways.. INITIALLY it was developed by google,but NOW the Open Handset Alliance has taken over. this allows other companies like google,motorola,archos,asus,htc,etc to develop their own flare based on android.
"You says 'Additionally, there's absolutely no indication that Google knows how to develop a high-end smartphone that will draw in the crowds.' How is that even possible when Google doesn't create smart phones?
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your question is just straight up dumb.. no **** google has never made an smartphone or netbook so therefore! no indication that Google knows how to develop a high-end smartphone
i mean really.. youre reading a business article but youre WAY to dumb to understand it.

brian_v3ntura said:
maybe YOU need to learn how to read and interpret information.
google is PLANNING on MAKING their OWN DEVICES and start a phone manufacturing business.
android is not made by google anyways.. INITIALLY it was developed by google,but NOW the Open Handset Alliance has taken over. this allows other companies like google,motorola,archos,asus,htc,etc to develop their own flare based on android.
"You says 'Additionally, there's absolutely no indication that Google knows how to develop a high-end smartphone that will draw in the crowds.' How is that even possible when Google doesn't create smart phones?
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your question is just straight up dumb.. no **** google has never made an smartphone or netbook so therefore! no indication that Google knows how to develop a high-end smartphone
i mean really.. youre reading a business article but youre WAY to dumb to understand it.
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Hey come on? Do we really need to mud sling? I was just bringing this up. No need to call me dumb as it is my opinion.

kylepotts said:
Hey come on? Do we really need to mud sling? I was just bringing this up. No need to call me dumb as it is my opinion.
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you the one who made the most stupid comment on the article. even tho you was completely WRONG and irrelevant

Ok
It's not that big of a deal it's just his opinion!

rfj1979 said:
It's not that big of a deal it's just his opinion!
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Thank you rfj

nmesisca said:
kyle I think you misunderstood.
of course google is not producing the handsets, but rumors have it that they will realease an android phone manufactured/designed by them.
The guy that wrote the article didnt mean that google shouldnt develop android, only that it is a risky business for google to enter in, while they can just sit back and reap the benefits of the wide diffusion android is having.
and to be honest, in more than a way, i kind of agree with him.
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that phone was the Motorola droid

lbcoder said:
Despite interpretations, that article is STILL retarded.
For example; how about the fact that Google *already did it* -- a year ago.
In fact, I have one.
It came in a box labelled "Android Dev Phone 1".
Second, this is *exactly* what the mobile phone business *needs*. It should be CRIMINAL for a carrier to peddle hardware.
The effect of separating the carrier from the hardware is this;
1) It destroys the links between plans and devices, i.e., they won't be saying that if you want X phone, you need to buy an X plan at $827.50/month.
2) It eliminated the subsidization component of phone plans, which given fair competition means that plans should drop in price.
3) It means that YOU as the customer get to choose the hardware that YOU want. Do you let your LANDLINE provider tell you what telephone to use? Or do you go to radio shack and buy whichever one you want? Do you let your internet provider tell you what computer to buy?
4) It means elimination of network locks, and freedom to change providers AT WHIM.
5) It means elimination of long term CONTRACTS, and freedom to change providers at WHIM.
6) It means that when a provider gets a customer, they need to continue to compete with other providers, otherwise the customer. will switch.
7) Did I mention that competition leads to LOWER PRICES?
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sorry i had to
play captain obvious here:
1 plenty unauthorized dealers (mall kiosks, corner stores in the hood) will sell a smart phone and new contract without a data plan or other required add-ons. show em the money.
2 usually one company starts a trend and others will follow. I.e. myfavs, I forgot who started it but all the big dogs have it now
3 never ever had a phone company tell me what phone I had to use, only suggestive selling to suit my needs, and I can always buy one off the street an use. i took in my old dash to a t-mo corporate store and got my daughter on a one year contact, 300 min a month plan and didnt have to buy a phone or add ons.
4 unlocked phones are already on the market, online and certain retail stores, also applys to #3
5 plenty of no commitment options in almost every big and small carrier.
6 they do with quality customer service and incentives for long term customers. when a company lacks those 2 basic things people will take their mony elsewhere.
7 yea basic economics they don't teach anymore in public schools

Are you just plain thick? Or are you being intentionally obtuse?
We're talking about regular consumers here, not people who can figure out things on their own.
Point is this; how many phone manufacturer's advertise phones that AREN'T linked to some carrier?
How many RETAILERS *ADVERTISE* phones that aren't linked to some carrier?
How many CARRIERS *ADVERTISE* phones that aren't locked to their network?
Your regular stupid consumer who wants to buy a phone will see the sparkly ad on TV, will go to their nearest big-box store, and will get suckered into a lifetime commitment with some carrier just for the sake of having that sparkly phone that they saw on TV.
The OBJECTIVE is for phones to ALL be sold entirely in the free, so that joe consumer can go into the big box store, grab a phone off the shelf, pay in cash (no ID), sign NOTHING, walk out with it, and shove in whatever sim card they like with whatever plan they like.
The average consumer does NOT go down to a greasy store with no air conditioning that smells like barf to buy a phone that's been HACKED, and it is quite impossible to get a no-commitment phone from a big box store or off some carrier's website. Yes, if you *already* have a phone, the carrier should let you plug your card into it, but NO, most retarded consumers *DON'T KNOW THIS*.
The fact that it is damned difficult to get a no-strings-attached phone, and that the average idiot watching ads on TV doesn't even know that you can means that there IS a link between hardware and carrier. Which means that EVERY ONE of your arguments is entirely INVALID.
phatmanxxl said:
sorry i had to
play captain obvious here:
1 plenty unauthorized dealers (mall kiosks, corner stores in the hood) will sell a smart phone and new contract without a data plan or other required add-ons. show em the money.
2 usually one company starts a trend and others will follow. I.e. myfavs, I forgot who started it but all the big dogs have it now
3 never ever had a phone company tell me what phone I had to use, only suggestive selling to suit my needs, and I can always buy one off the street an use. i took in my old dash to a t-mo corporate store and got my daughter on a one year contact, 300 min a month plan and didnt have to buy a phone or add ons.
4 unlocked phones are already on the market, online and certain retail stores, also applys to #3
5 plenty of no commitment options in almost every big and small carrier.
6 they do with quality customer service and incentives for long term customers. when a company lacks those 2 basic things people will take their mony elsewhere.
7 yea basic economics they don't teach anymore in public schools
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rfj1979 said:
It's not that big of a deal it's just his opinion!
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opinion of what? what his comment said on the article pretty much had nothing to do with what google is planning.

lbcoder said:
We're talking about regular consumers here, not people who can figure out things on their own.
Point is this; how many phone manufacturer's advertise phones that AREN'T linked to some carrier?
How many RETAILERS *ADVERTISE* phones that aren't linked to some carrier?
How many CARRIERS *ADVERTISE* phones that aren't locked to their network?
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Apples and Oranges.
Carriers and retailers don't advertise (or even carry) non sim-locked high end phones because most phones are subsidized with the contract. This doesn't mean that a a carrier doesn't welcome unlocked phones though. Selling service to a consumer that already has the equipment means that the service contract doesn't have to pay for the equipment and the carrier profits from the consumer much faster.
This also means that it is possible (how likely is up for debate though) for a carrier to enter a contract with Google and subsidize a part of the equipment cost and offer a locked version of the Google phone for much a cheaper cost to the consumer.
Just because Google may offer an unlocked version of a phone doesn't exclude the possibility of a locked/subsidized version from a carrier.
I think it is a great idea. The worst that could happen is that it doesn't sell and fades into obscurity. Worth the risk if you ask me.

Noooo....Apple's iPhone does better because it appeals to more people, because there all stupid. Android users phiddling with an iPhone is like giving Einstein some paper and a box of crayons

Google changes plan, will stop selling Nexus One online.

Wow. just plain wow. Did not see this coming at all.
Google will stop selling it online, and instead will let the carriers sell the phone instead.
Reason? Google says it's because customers want a hands-on experience before buying the phone itself.
The online store was for early adopters+niche market.
Just to clarify things up: The Nexus One is not dead, it just won't be available online, only through carriers as stated by the employee:
More retail availability. As we make Nexus One available in more countries we’ll follow the same model we’ve adopted in Europe, where we're working with partners to offer Nexus One to consumers through existing retail channels. We’ll shift to a similar model globally.
From retail to viewing. Once we have increased the availability of Nexus One devices in stores, we'll stop selling handsets via the web store, and will instead use it as an online store window to showcase a variety of Android phones available globally.
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Source:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/14/google-changes-nexus-one-plans-will-stop-selling-handsets-onlin/

sorry, you're late buddy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681521

rheza02 said:
sorry, you're late buddy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681521
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It's different news tho. That one was an article on why Verizon probably didn't carry the Nexus One. This is google officially coming out to say they will stop selling it.
If it really is repetitive, then feel free to lock. 0.o

Does this mean we can finally get subsidized N1s? If so I'm going to sale my N1 while they are still worth something. Then use money to get subsidized one.

The ONLY thing Google has conceded, in no longer exclusively selling the N1 via website, is that people don't want to buy something site-unseen.
Nexus One lives on, but now will be more readily available for people to "kick the tires" before buying.

wondercoolguy said:
Does this mean we can finally get subsidized N1s? If so I'm going to sale my N1 while they are still worth something. Then use money to get subsidized one.
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You can already with t-mobile.
They are probably gonna be available with more plans now though.

Interesting... I wonder how Google is going to get retail stores to showcase the N1? By Google paying the Retailers a portion of the profits for each one sold but maintaining control or by giving the retailers total control over the phone and the retailers paying Google for each N1 sold?
Thoughts?

Shoot, I'm keeping mine. They sold so few of them, it might someday be a collectors item.

So then how are AT&T versions of the N1 to be sold when AT&T clearly doesn't want to sell it?
Google's Blog
I am less than happy about this.

ap3604 said:
Interesting... I wonder how Google is going to get retail stores to showcase the N1? By Google paying the Retailers a portion of the profits for each one sold but maintaining control or by giving the retailers total control over the phone and the retailers paying Google for each N1 sold?
Thoughts?
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IDK, if you were me... would you feel better picking a N1 up in the store or ordering from the online store. I'm liking the online store better for some reason..

So now since my 2 year contract is up on both of my lines, will i be able to get it subsidized through tmobile dirt cheap?

e4604 said:
So now since my 2 year contract is up on both of my lines, will i be able to get it subsidized through tmobile dirt cheap?
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I doubt it and its probably going to sell for the same price $180/2 year.

Why cant they do both ?
Interesting.
BTW this may mark the first time in history a celphone store worker was right. Had one insisting the Nexus One would be avilable in Tmo stores by June.....of course that was followed by "we're also getting the iphone"...so....

jp_macaroni said:
I doubt it and its probably going to sell for the same price $180/2 year.
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Well 180 is better then 570, which is what i paid for my current n1. Although i just might wait and see what else they come out with.

I think this is good news. Im predicting nexus sales will jump up 80%.

FINALLY
Finally, we can stop seeing all these RETARDED articles about "awwwmagad was the nexus one a faylure!?!?"
NO!
The Nexus One was GREAT!!!! The store was not.
If it wasn't for the N1, phones like the Incredible or the Evo would most likely have come out much, much later than they did/will. It certainly raised the bar for "high-end" Android phones, and smartphones in general.
I'm also sad about this, because as attn1 mentioned, what's going to happen when carriers like AT&T don't want to carry a particular phone in the future?? Buying a phone through Google for AT&T was like a big "Hey AT&T, here's a /middle finger for you!"
AND not only does it allow phone manufacturers to make and sell a device without worrying about the carrier blocking it, but it allows for selling it worldwide without even taking into account WHICH carrier it's designed for. Grab the phone, use it in Canada, India, Europe, etc.
How many people on this forum would never have an N1 had it not been for the Google store?
Last but certainly not least, it also leaves the phone bloat-ware free! Can you imagine the Nexus Two with AT&T crapware and not being able to install non-market apps like the Backflop??
I really, really, really hope this isn't the last we've seen of the Google store. There are just too many benefits aside from the above three. At the least, I hope the Google Store will be an addition to carrier-sold phones.

Paul22000 said:
FINALLY
Finally, we can stop seeing all these RETARDED articles about "awwwmagad was the nexus one a faylure!?!?"
NO!
The Nexus One was GREAT!!!! The store was not.
If it wasn't for the N1, phones like the Incredible or the Evo would most likely have come out much, much later than they did/will. It certainly raised the bar for "high-end" Android phones, and smartphones in general.
I'm also sad about this, because as attn1 mentioned, what's going to happen when carriers like AT&T don't want to carry a particular phone in the future?? Buying a phone through Google for AT&T was like a big "Hey AT&T, here's a /middle finger for you!"
AND not only does it allow phone manufacturers to make and sell a device without worrying about the carrier blocking it, but it allows for selling it worldwide without even taking into account WHICH carrier it's designed for. Grab the phone, use it in Canada, India, Europe, etc.
How many people on this forum would never have an N1 had it not been for the Google store?
Last but certainly not least, it also leaves the phone bloat-ware free! Can you imagine the Nexus Two with AT&T crapware and not being able to install non-market apps like the Backflop??
I really, really, really hope this isn't the last we've seen of the Google store. There are just too many benefits aside from the above three. At the least, I hope the Google Store will be an addition to carrier-sold phones.
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Agreed.
Which is why I dont see why they cant do both.
I probably wouldnt have the N1 if it wasnt unlocked and available through Google. I was only a few months into contract.

xManMythLegend said:
Why cant they do both ?
Interesting.
BTW this may mark the first time in history a celphone store worker was right. Had one insisting the Nexus One would be avilable in Tmo stores by June.....of course that was followed by "we're also getting the iphone"...so....
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If you spew bull**** long enough, some of it is bound to come true.

JCopernicus said:
You can already with t-mobile.
They are probably gonna be available with more plans now though.
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I'm on a family plan so I could never get the N1 for anything less than 529.00; I had to wait till some crazy chick on craigs list sold it to me for 400 because she just wanted an Iphone, lol

altarity said:
Shoot, I'm keeping mine. They sold so few of them, it might someday be a collectors item.
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Yea, just like the Jordana is a collectors item....oh wait.

At&t geting crazy

AT&T wants us to be legit and not steal tether and this and that for Wht? They cap out speeds and when we finally get good Android phones its held down by moto blurr and a bootloader that is locked..... what do we do? How can we protest this? Lol maybe we should spray paint HSUPA AND #UNLOCKMOTO on store windows hahaha. Its wrong but its the only way to hitem how theyed care... financially that's the key to slowing them down financial hits. But really how can we get their attention?
Sent from Atrix ;-)

frankiedizzle87 said:
AT&T wants us to be legit and not steal tether and this and that for Wht? They cap out speeds and when we finally get good Android phones its held down by moto blurr and a bootloader that is locked..... what do we do? How can we protest this? Lol maybe we should spray paint HSUPA AND #UNLOCKMOTO on store windows hahaha. Its wrong but its the only way to hitem how theyed care... financially that's the key to slowing them down financial hits. But really how can we get their attention?
Sent from Atrix ;-)
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I have been wondering this as well. We need to organize or something. It has to start somewhere, I think everyone is aware of how bad corporate America has gotten but where is the breaking point?

project mayhem

frankiedizzle87 said:
AT&T wants us to be legit and not steal tether and this and that for Wht? They cap out speeds and when we finally get good Android phones its held down by moto blurr and a bootloader that is locked..... what do we do? How can we protest this? Lol maybe we should spray paint HSUPA AND #UNLOCKMOTO on store windows hahaha. Its wrong but its the only way to hitem how theyed care... financially that's the key to slowing them down financial hits. But really how can we get their attention?
Sent from Atrix ;-)
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Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.

jkrohn said:
Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.
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Its not that easy when you have family plans and your kind of trapped. $350 per line is a lot. Yea I might beable to fight with them and get out of it but it doesnt always work.

live4nyy said:
I have been wondering this as well. We need to organize or something. It has to start somewhere, I think everyone is aware of how bad corporate America has gotten but where is the breaking point?
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Corporate America is one thing, but consumers are largely at fault as well. Just look at the 'solutions' people talk about. Vandalism? These are franchises. You think that at&t store down the street is owned and operated directly by the corp? You're hurting local business owners.
The reality is, there's zero creativity on the part of irked consumers. They don't know how to get a message out, they don't know how to start a counter-culture. Today's 'rebels' all depend on 'the man' to keep in touch with each other anyway. They sit around on their thumbs signing contracts they don't read because HAVING service is all that matters at the time. We wait for competitors to sound attractive enough, but in the end brand loyalty and other principles are a higher priority.
We sit around waxing philosophical about open standards and open source and the openness of Android, but what if Android was a Verizon exclusive? Would you completely bend over and submit to everything anticonsumer about VZN just so you can proudly wear at least ONE badge of principles for supporting an open OS? Or is it perhaps better in the long run to support even the most locked down software and ecosystems as long as the carrier and the bigger picture meet ethical standards?
Frankly, I'd rather buy based on carrier FIRST, knowing that even if my platform today isn't brilliant, I'm supporting a network i'd rather see future platforms target.
We get so caught up beating off to open software that we ignore the reality that infrastructure is a 500x more important battle. And then we just betch and sob when the infrastructure isn't the way we want it.
Man up, stop worrying so much about whether something has the almighty GPL stamp of approval, and pay attention to the real war we should be fighting. And not with hashtags.
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Not defending AT&T by any means but you can't seriously be upset that AT&T doesn't want people to cheat their system and tether for free or can you? I tether for free and I'd expect AT&T to not want users to do this as it takes away from their revenue something any business wants not something they want to lose.

Mustang302LX said:
Not defending AT&T by any means but you can't seriously be upset that AT&T doesn't want people to cheat their system and tether for free or can you? I tether for free and I'd expect AT&T to not want users to do this as it takes away from their revenue something any business wants not something they want to lose.
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I will pay AT&T for anything...
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!

josidhe said:
Corporate America is one thing, but consumers are largely at fault as well. Just look at the 'solutions' people talk about. Vandalism? These are franchises. You think that at&t store down the street is owned and operated directly by the corp? You're hurting local business owners.
The reality is, there's zero creativity on the part of irked consumers. They don't know how to get a message out, they don't know how to start a counter-culture. Today's 'rebels' all depend on 'the man' to keep in touch with each other anyway. They sit around on their thumbs signing contracts they don't read because HAVING service is all that matters at the time. We wait for competitors to sound attractive enough, but in the end brand loyalty and other principles are a higher priority.
We sit around waxing philosophical about open standards and open source and the openness of Android, but what if Android was a Verizon exclusive? Would you completely bend over and submit to everything anticonsumer about VZN just so you can proudly wear at least ONE badge of principles for supporting an open OS? Or is it perhaps better in the long run to support even the most locked down software and ecosystems as long as the carrier and the bigger picture meet ethical standards?
Frankly, I'd rather buy based on carrier FIRST, knowing that even if my platform today isn't brilliant, I'm supporting a network i'd rather see future platforms target.
We get so caught up beating off to open software that we ignore the reality that infrastructure is a 500x more important battle. And then we just betch and sob when the infrastructure isn't the way we want it.
Man up, stop worrying so much about whether something has the almighty GPL stamp of approval, and pay attention to the real war we should be fighting. And not with hashtags.
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Vandalism??? I haven't thought of that....hmmmm....
On a serious note, I agree with what you are saying.
(I would have felt better about agreeing with you if you weren't being so abrasive about it, I don't know what "manning up" has to do with it)
Regardless, there is something wrong with the current system of marketing and commercialism. Trust me, I feel bad when I sit here and complain about upload speeds when there is real tragedies happening in the world (eg. Japan) but when it comes to it, this is beyond cellular carriers and beyond truth in advertising. This is more about a global brainwash. Corporations rule the world, and we are going to regret it.

The evolution underlying the Atrix highlights the problem even more. I have unlimited data on my phone. My phone natively possesses the ability to output to a webtop. But if I dock my phone to use the webtop then I have to pay for tethering? That's absurd. And if a developer creates a workaround then I'm violating my contract? Utter bull****.

The evolution underlying the prosecution's case against me highlights the problem even more. I can buy all of the bullets for my gun that I want. My gun natively possesses the ability to kill people. But if I shoot some guy on the beach because the sun is in my eyes, I'm somehow breaking the law? That's absurd.

Techcruncher said:
I will pay AT&T for anything...
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!
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I agree with you on that, tethering should be free since you are already paying for the data. Since it isn't though stealing the feature (again not saying anything since I do it too) isn't going to be something they try to not stop.
I'll continue using Barnacle until I see them say something to me.

Techcruncher said:
I will pay AT&T for anything...
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!
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Err...what's supposed to be free? Tethering isn't supposed to be free at all...it's pretty clearly written in your contract.
And I think it's hilarious/sad that so many people are upset with AT&T that the Atrix has Motoblur, a locked bootloader, and you can't tether for free. Are you kidding? Motorola has complete control over the first 2 things and Tethering isn't free because it's a huge drain on their network and is a service they actually provide for payment.
Would you walk into Walmart and be pissed when they yell at you for stealing a TV? No...because it's something they provide a service for that you'd be trying to evade.

hotleadsingerguy said:
Err...what's supposed to be free? Tethering isn't supposed to be free at all...it's pretty clearly written in your contract.
And I think it's hilarious/sad that so many people are upset with AT&T that the Atrix has Motoblur, a locked bootloader, and you can't tether for free. Are you kidding? Motorola has complete control over the first 2 things and Tethering isn't free because it's a huge drain on their network and is a service they actually provide for payment.
Would you walk into Walmart and be pissed when they yell at you for stealing a TV? No...because it's something they provide a service for that you'd be trying to evade.
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I think the only thing wrong with your analogy is that paying for tethering when you already pay for data use, is NOT similar to stealing a TV from Walmart. It would be like going to Walmart and having to pay to be checked out when you already have to pay for the items in your cart. They do it because people will pay for it, it is that simple. If you don't like it change carriers or become an executive at AT&T and change it.

I don’t really get the tethering for the new plans either. They give an extra 2gb and it is the same price as going over by 2gb. They should just offer free tethering and if yougo over you would still pay the overage (10gb for$ 10).
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robrj said:
I don’t really get the tethering for the new plans either. They give an extra 2gb and it is the same price as going over by 2gb. They should just offer free tethering and if yougo over you would still pay the overage (10gb for$ 10).
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It's actually 1GB per $10, but you're right, it's the same price so why not just give us the tethering and charge $10 for every GB we go over but instead it could only be charged if we use the entire GB. Oh, I know, I'm living in a fantasy world.

iv been with att for a very long time and have suffered with edge for ever,they keep telling me ill have the service i pay for soon,heard that for three years,maybe they should give me a refund or manup and provide the service they charge for i love my atrix and they love my money but dont put out,and they want more ha iv had unlimited data since the release of iphone 3g ,my average is 2 or 3 gigs on there network i use wifi more than there network because its not there,and if i want to teather i will barnical rules,that is when im in an area i can,the only one who should feel riped off is me and you that dont get the service we pay for not the guy who dont want to have an internet plan at home and kill 25 + gigs off there network

Its against the law and its called Theft of service. So if att or any other cellphone provider wants they can come after you.
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Aldiggi said:
Its against the law and its called Theft of service. So if att or any other cellphone provider wants they can come after you.
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So hide yo kidz, hide yo wife, and hide yo huzband, cuz they're ****ing everybody out here

jkrohn said:
Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.
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Im already on two years and a family plan I bought off contract
Sent from Atrix ;-)

T-Mobile's nice FU to Nexus Owners...

You know what sucks about the new iPads?
The cell versions all ship with a T-Mobile SIM that includes 200MB a free data a month ongoing (at least no one's indicated how long this freebie will last)...
The Nexus 7 also ships with a T-Mobile SIM that gives you 200MB free...
For one month.
Thank you T-Mobile and **** you too.
I suggest everyone who got a Nexus 7 avoid or dump T-Mobile and let them know why.
Personally, I'm sick of 'iPhone/iPad plans' that either are exclusive to those devices - or are actually exactly the same plans as all their other data plans, just given a special name to cater to the self-indulgent Apple owners. I'm also tired of stores (I'm looking at YOU Best Buy) who have sections titled 'iPhones and Smartphones' and 'iPads and Tablets' as if iPhones and iPads were a special class unto themselves. They're not even the majority phones or tablets anymore. Get over it and stop treating your majority customers are second class citizens.
[And if you're wondering why I'm ticked about this since I'm not in the US? I travel to the US regularly - this would have given me a way to stay connected for free...]

It's not T-Mobile's fault you don't understand how business deals work here in the US, also your ignorance shows because T-Mobile is pretty much the best provider we have
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z0phi3l said:
It's not T-Mobile's fault you don't understand how business deals work here in the US, also your ignorance shows because T-Mobile is pretty much the best provider we have
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Wow - and you have no clue what being a consumer means. Really - if that's your defense of T-Mobile (and yes, there's something just wrong about a consumer who defends a company's business practices when they affect that consumer negatively) then that explains a lot about why corporations run pretty much everything down thre. But yeah, roll over and let the businesses do whatever they want *is* a pretty common mindset down there.
That being said, you know - if you protest to a business and make it clear that their decision will have negative impacts on their bottom line - they actually listen. Pity most people just assume they have to take what they're given...
Which is actually pretty ignorant.

No need to attack me, I get it you wanted a freebie and you can't get it, the only one I see is you having a problem, just stop trying to be cheap
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I don't know what you are thinking. The iPhone is the most common phone in the world and the iPad is the most common tablet. Android > iOS in market share but those two devices are at the top
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Apple simply does better business. They have products that they know consumers will buy. Their choices are "simple." Their OS is "simple". There are (now) four choices for an Apple tablet. But, even with the lowest choices people know exactly the experience that they are going to get. For Best Buy and T-Mobile or even any other wireless carrier, they know it is an easy sale. It's also easy for businesses to give incentives to buy said products. Businesses and consumers, in general, like simplicity. It's easy to back a simple product. It's easy to sell a simple product.
Businesses have a peace of mind knowing that regardless of what generation of Apple product they sell, Apple still fully supports it. When a product is phased out, also, businesses don't have to worry about what to do with all the excess; they simple just stop selling it (and probably send all extras back to Apple to deal with). That's simply not the case for any other product/manufacturer/business really.
As android users, more specifically XDA-members, we like the open OS, it offers a lot more customization and choice. To the rest of the consumers, the choices between Android devices is honestly overwhelming. That's not to mention the fact that most people don't know which version of the Android OS you are going to get on the various tablets. On top of that, which "Skin" or experience they get when they purchase an Android tablet (or in our case, as N7 owners, no "Skin" at all).
If you have any questions on your specific android device where can you physically go to get the dedicated support that you get from an Apple store? People pay a premium for that and the comfort that knowing regardless of where they bought the product they can take it into the Apple store to get assistance. If we have issue with our devices, we are left to fend for ourselves, trying to find resolutions for our issues completely on our own.

TheWerewolf said:
You know what sucks about the new iPads?
The cell versions all ship with a T-Mobile SIM that includes 200MB a free data a month ongoing (at least no one's indicated how long this freebie will last)...
The Nexus 7 also ships with a T-Mobile SIM that gives you 200MB free...
For one month.
Thank you T-Mobile and **** you too.
I suggest everyone who got a Nexus 7 avoid or dump T-Mobile and let them know why.
Personally, I'm sick of 'iPhone/iPad plans' that either are exclusive to those devices - or are actually exactly the same plans as all their other data plans, just given a special name to cater to the self-indulgent Apple owners. I'm also tired of stores (I'm looking at YOU Best Buy) who have sections titled 'iPhones and Smartphones' and 'iPads and Tablets' as if iPhones and iPads were a special class unto themselves. They're not even the majority phones or tablets anymore. Get over it and stop treating your majority customers are second class citizens.
[And if you're wondering why I'm ticked about this since I'm not in the US? I travel to the US regularly - this would have given me a way to stay connected for free...]
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..what in the hell are you complaining about. t-mobile is giving out 200mb for free for EVERYBODY, whether you're signed up with them or not. it just happens to be bundled with the new ipads, but you can walk into a tmobile store and get 200mb for free regardless of your device. for life.
source: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/23/4947704/t-mobile-makes-free-ipad-data-offer-official
#readbeforeyoufreak

Chillllllll......
This offer is good for ALL tablets. Someone asked that on their Twitter feed.

And the problem goes away..
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/23/t-mobile-200mb-free-data-for-tablets/
All tablets are now eligible for it.. and T-Mobile will be selling Nexus 7 LTEs in their stores as of November.
So much for 'business plans' and living with what you get.
Thank you T-Mobile.
As for some of the comments... now I see why Apple is so popular... the sheep aren't all iSheep...
Cheers.

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..what in the hell are you complaining about. t-mobile is giving out 200mb for free for EVERYBODY, whether you're signed up with them or not. it just happens to be bundled with the new ipads, but you can walk into a tmobile store and get 200mb for free regardless of your device. for life.
source: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/23/4947704/t-mobile-makes-free-ipad-data-offer-official
#readbeforeyoufreak
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Well, I've been going back and forth as to whether to get the LTE Nexus 7 or not. This pretty much clears that issue up.

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And the problem goes away..
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/23/t-mobile-200mb-free-data-for-tablets/
All tablets are now eligible for it.. and T-Mobile will be selling Nexus 7 LTEs in their stores as of November.
So much for 'business plans' and living with what you get.
Thank you T-Mobile.
As for some of the comments... now I see why Apple is so popular... the sheep aren't all iSheep...
Cheers.
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The problem didn't "go away", it wasn't a problem in the first place. All tablets were eligible for it from the start. They just chose to announce it with the iPad since a)the new iPads were just announced and they piggybacked on that hype, and b)iPad is by far the best selling tablet, and c)the iPad will be the first available with this feature. Once additional details came out, it became apparent that other tablets would be included, including Nexus 7, but they won't be available for a month from now.

TheWerewolf said:
And the problem goes away..
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/23/t-mobile-200mb-free-data-for-tablets/
All tablets are now eligible for it.. and T-Mobile will be selling Nexus 7 LTEs in their stores as of November.
So much for 'business plans' and living with what you get.
Thank you T-Mobile.
As for some of the comments... now I see why Apple is so popular... the sheep aren't all iSheep...
Cheers.
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There was never a problem in the first place. You got excited because Apple announced something before T-Mobile formally announced it, and proceeded to attack anyone in this thread who didn't agree with your perception.
I think this is an interesting deal, and can definitely be an important feature for those debating whether to purchase an LTE or wi-fi tablet. Assuming you used the tablet for only 1 year, the price difference of $100 between the 32GB wifi and LTE versions amounts to paying $8.33 a month for a 200mb plan.

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As for some of the comments... now I see why Apple is so popular... the sheep aren't all iSheep...
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I don't know why you think you are entitled to be so rude. We are sheep because we understand businesses and business decisions?
You really need to chill before you jump to any further conclusions. You already made yourself look ridiculous three times in this thread...

TheWerewolf said:
You know what sucks about the new iPads?
The cell versions all ship with a T-Mobile SIM that includes 200MB a free data a month ongoing (at least no one's indicated how long this freebie will last)...
The Nexus 7 also ships with a T-Mobile SIM that gives you 200MB free...
For one month.
Thank you T-Mobile and **** you too.
I suggest everyone who got a Nexus 7 avoid or dump T-Mobile and let them know why.
Personally, I'm sick of 'iPhone/iPad plans' that either are exclusive to those devices - or are actually exactly the same plans as all their other data plans, just given a special name to cater to the self-indulgent Apple owners. I'm also tired of stores (I'm looking at YOU Best Buy) who have sections titled 'iPhones and Smartphones' and 'iPads and Tablets' as if iPhones and iPads were a special class unto themselves. They're not even the majority phones or tablets anymore. Get over it and stop treating your majority customers are second class citizens.
[And if you're wondering why I'm ticked about this since I'm not in the US? I travel to the US regularly - this would have given me a way to stay connected for free...]
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WRONG, T-Mobile is offering this to the Nexus 7, I-Pads and the Samsung pad. Sometimes people should read before they make dumb statements. IMO T-Mobile is the best Carrier on the planet. For a very small Carrier they have exploded in their expansion of towers both in the 1900 and LTE radios. This time next year T-Mobile will have taken over 3rd place. Thank You T-Mobile.

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So much for 'business plans' and living with what you get.
Thank you T-Mobile.
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Please clarify. Because the way it's written (admittedly fairly vague), it can be construed that you think your OP (8 hrs before this post) somehow caused a ripple that changed the entire way TMobile does business, and now you are thanking them for responding. And somehow in addition to congratulating yourself for changing the world, you've also turned the entire imagined event into fuel for a silly brandwar.

This might be why you can’t find a Nexus 6 in the Google Play Store right now

http://bgr.com/2014/10/30/nexus-6-sold-out-in-google-play-store/
The publication says the Nexus 6 is “huge” for Google’s future in the smartphone company, and the phone is intended to be sold mainly through carriers, rather than on Google Play.
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Interesting read if for nothing more than the comments

Dumb. Dumb.
Another great flagship phone that next to no one can buy...instead of by design due to a moronic invite system...this time due to a moronic inventory choice.

Heads are going to roll for this 3 years mess: Today Andy Rubin, co-founder and former leader of Google Inc.’s Android mobile business is leaving Google!
Not sure exact reason but....

Skripka said:
Dumb. Dumb.
Another great flagship phone that next to no one can buy...instead of by design due to a moronic invite system...this time due to a moronic inventory choice.
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How is it moronic if numbers say most will buy through a carrier. Seems like a simple choice to me.
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It could be that there is an official agreement to allow carriers to sell most of the devices. Of course, if that were the case they never should have offered a Play Store pre-sale in the first place.

Just seems like a typical BGR article. They're a rag of a site that makes up news

BGR..... I cant even bring myself to click their click bait $*¥+ any more

Benny879 said:
How is it moronic if numbers say most will buy through a carrier. Seems like a simple choice to me.
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When Google has a golden opportunity to sell a device that most carriers haven't even listed on their sites yet or formally announced plans to carry, and make money...it is moronic.
Having a flagship device that no one can buy due to your (Google's) idiotic bureaucratic decision making is how to get people who otherwise are your fan base pissed at you...see the idiocy of One+

Skripka said:
When Google has a golden opportunity to sell a device that most carriers haven't even listed on their sites yet or formally announced plans to carry, and make money...it is moronic.
Having a flagship device that no one can buy due to your (Google's) idiotic bureaucratic decision making is how to get people who otherwise are your fan base pissed at you...see the idiocy of One+
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Its not moronic if that was the condition carriers wanted if they were to carrier the product. I'm pretty sure the men making these decisions know more than the all of us here. Not to mention they have access to numbers and info we don't to make such a decision.
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people need to stop crying and just go into their carrier and buy it there. it's not like it isn't the same phone online.
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The phone isn't even released yet... People need to calm down. Even IF you were able to preorder it would still have been weeks before you got the phone.

NightHawkUndead said:
The phone isn't even released yet... People need to calm down. Even IF you were able to preorder it would still have been weeks before you got the phone.
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But if everyone calmed down, I'd have nothing to entertain myself with for the next couple of weeks...

dtroup64 said:
But if everyone calmed down, I'd have nothing to annoy xda'ers with for the next couple of weeks...
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Fixed. [emoji2]

Prod1702 said:
people need to stop crying and just go into their carrier and buy it there. it's not like it isn't the same phone online.
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Odds are it isn't.
You get some degree of bloat (albeit removable it sounds like) and what is more delayed updates.

Skripka said:
Odds are it isnt.
You get some degree of bloat (albeit removable it sounds like) and what is more delayed updates.
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If its the same model you could just flash the factory image so its no big deal.

Pilz said:
If its the same model you could just flash the factory image so its no big deal.
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tmobile nexus 4 and 5 was the same one from the play store nothing different. it still got the updates from Google. no bloat at all unless Google put it on there. I can't speak about the others. I am buying mine on the 12th from the tmo store and I am sure it will be the same one Google sends out.
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Prod1702 said:
tmobile nexus 4 and 5 was the same one from the play store nothing different. it still got the updates from Google. no bloat at all unless Google put it on there. I can't speak about the others. I am buying mine on the 12th from the tmo store and I am sure it will be the same one Google sends out.
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This is one of two things I was worried about if I have to pick it up from T-Mo:
- 1) I just want to make sure the updates come from Google and not the carrier (T-Mo in this case). Especially since I will be paying all upfront for it since I am prepaid and don't want to sign up for a post paid plan. There's no sense in me having to wait for an update if I'm not tied to any sort of plan or carrier.
- 2) I would very much rather purchase directly from the Play Store if only for the GREAT 1-year hassle-free warranty coverage they have. I had to do a warranty exchange a few weeks ago on my N5, and whole procedure was absolutely painless. I had my replacement device in-hand the very next day.
So, as much as I would prefer to buy it from the Play Store, if the speculation that the majority of sales will be taking place through the carriers and the supply on the Play Store will be scarce, I would just want the T-Mo phone to be EXACTLY like the one they sell in the Play Store, with no carrier meddling/bloatware.

Google news for us in the uk then as long as there is a decent amount of stock as no carriers have listed it as exclusive to either O2, ee, Vodafone or three afaik

disk0360 said:
Google news for us in the uk then as long as there is a decent amount of stock as no carriers have listed it as exclusive to either O2, ee, Vodafone or three afaik
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I'm really hoping the same thing doesn't happen in the U.K. with Stock issues
Hopefully its all under control by then, and they just put it on the site for sale and ship the same time as the US

charesa39 said:
This is one of two things I was worried about if I have to pick it up from T-Mo:
- 1) I just want to make sure the updates come from Google and not the carrier (T-Mo in this case). Especially since I will be paying all upfront for it since I am prepaid and don't want to sign up for a post paid plan. There's no sense in me having to wait for an update if I'm not tied to any sort of plan or carrier.
- 2) I would very much rather purchase directly from the Play Store if only for the GREAT 1-year hassle-free warranty coverage they have. I had to do a warranty exchange a few weeks ago on my N5, and whole procedure was absolutely painless. I had my replacement device in-hand the very next day.
So, as much as I would prefer to buy it from the Play Store, if the speculation that the majority of sales will be taking place through the carriers and the supply on the Play Store will be scarce, I would just want the T-Mo phone to be EXACTLY like the one they sell in the Play Store, with no carrier meddling/bloatware.
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1.) Same freaking phone no doubt about it. Its been said a billion times. Updates from google Tmobile bloat
2.) You get next day shipping with Tmobile if you have their insurance plan which I recommend as it extends it past the 1 year google offers.
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