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Nexus One first week sales = weak.((20k))

http://www.pcworld.com/article/1867...irst_week_of_sales_were_weak_report_says.html
Thats a ton of complaints coming out for only 20k sales.
Not being available in T-Mo stores really hurt sales. I think being able to see this screen and hold it in person would move a hell of alot more units.
he Nexus One didn't benefit from such a strong marketing push like the Motorola Droid (estimated $100 million), despite Google's phone featuring so-far unique Android features. This has reflected in poor first week sales for the Nexus One, as per the table below. (Click image above to enlarge)
Instead, Google chose a soft launch for the Nexus One, selling it through their website. But the steep $500 Google is asking for the unlocked device and the mixed reviews the Nexus One received didn't help to maximize first week sales.
Flurry's report mentions that the Nexus One lacks the "wow factor" and the general perception that the device is not seen as revolutionary, but rather just evolutionary from other Android phones.
Om Malik, of GigaOm, notes that Flurry's estimated sales numbers for the Nexus One might even be a bit far fetched. He mentions Google has been giving away the Nexus One to its employees and also lent it to many members of the media for reviews, which could have bumped up Flurry's analytics.
Next to the poor first week sales figure, the Nexus One has also seen mounting complaints over the 3G connectivity of the device and the lack of developer tools for the Android 2.1 platform.
In her review of the Nexus One, my colleague Ginny Mies notes that Google's phone "isn't quite the game-changer people hoped it would be, though it certainly trumps other phones in performance, display quality, and speed." Next to pros like a dazzling OLED display, snappy performance and sleep, slim design, she marks the lack of multitouch support and the software keyboard as cons.
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I'm actually glad. I dont want the nexus one to become a fashion icon like the iPhone did.
EDIT: YOU! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE

melterx12 said:
I'm actually glad. I dont want the nexus one to become a fashion icon like the iPhone did.
EDIT: YOU! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE
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awww Fuuudgdeeee
Had to be 2 new yorkers didnt it. lol
Agree with this though. Ive been saying I hope a ton of people want it but few get it. That way Google is pressed to resolve there customer service and HW issues and early adopters dont look like bandwagon jumpers for the latest fashion device.
On the flip side... I hope Google doesnt turn around and blame Tmobile. Tmo and Google have been continually bringing out Android sets I hope that relationship doesnt sour because of this.

Actually 20k in sales for a phone that has reportedly had the vast majority of users buy the unlocked version is pretty damn good (Leo Laporte mentioned it on TWiT on Sunday)
melterx12 said:
I'm actually glad. I dont want the nexus one to become a fashion icon like the iPhone did.
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As much as I give credit to Apple for what they've done with the iPhone, the iPhone has become the "razr" of phones.....the "Wal-Mart" of phones....

The bad press on this phone is silly. It takes nothing into consideration, bends around the truth, and just sounds misinformed. This phone had a soft launch, wasn't available in stores, no television ads, and wasn't really advertised by Google until the day of it's launch.
These soft launches make an impact. Word will spread and then it will pop up and explode on Verizon. I'm not even trying to defend the device, it just makes me angry seeing so much misinformed crap popping up on the web.
"But the steep $500 Google is asking for the unlocked device and the mixed reviews the Nexus One received didn't help to maximize first week sales."
Mixed reviews meaning angry fanboys? I don't get it. The thing runs Android really well, is fast as hell, looks great, has a good camera, etc. I have no idea what people were expecting. Android has been out, and this was stated to be an Android device.

mark925 said:
As much as I give credit to Apple for what they've done with the iPhone, the iPhone has become the "razr" of phones.....the "Wal-Mart" of phones....
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+1
everybody and their dog has an iphone. i'd rather have something few others do

To be honest, and trying to be unbiased, I think these numbers are ok for Google. Here's why I say that... given the marketing channel used here (online only sales and advertising), I suspect that Google is banking on a moderate rate of sales early on, with an increase a little later. Most people like to see and touch something prior to dropping hundreds of dollars on it. I think Google is counting on the early adopters to buy the phones, and then once we have them and others start seeing and playing with them, they will start buying. In theory, this should work the same as if the N1 would have been sold in stores, except the initial sales would be lighter and the rate of sales would be steeper after the first few weeks.

My proverbial 2 cents...
#1. It's hard for someone to drop that much cash on a phone unseen. Like others have pointed out, it's hard to sell a mobile phone without being able to "touch" it and play with it at a retail store.
#2. The N1 is one of the first handsets relatively available for purchase which has the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor. I honestly think the "hacking" community for the N1 will be similar of what the G1 (HTC Dream) has seen... In other words, the HTC Passion is basically the next great hacking platform as the HTC Dream experienced.
Cheers,
Kermee

So essentially 1 in 150,000 Americans (ROUGHLY, only considering domestic sales) are packin the N1 - Sounds like a pretty elite/exclusive group if you ask me

booloobunny said:
..."But the steep $500 Google is asking for the unlocked device and the mixed reviews the Nexus One received didn't help to maximize first week sales."
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Also, to add onto this...I don't think the price is steep at all. In fact it is cheaper than many other unlocked devices with lesser hardware. Also, it has been pointed out in many places that getting the unlocked version is cheaper than going with the subsidized version and mandatory plan.

When a phone can be purchased only from one location and one URL only gadget freaks like us know about it's existence. Some of my friends who think they are gadget freaks were shocked to see my phone over the weekend. They didn't even know about it yet. Forget the common man. Unless, the phone is sold in T-mobile, and B&M stores, it will be hard to sell like Driod.
Except for lousy T-mobile 3G inside buildings, I love this phone. But I am seriously thinking about returning just to go back to AT&T as I would like to stay with the best GSM carrier who gets most unlocked 3G phones so I can keep changing my phones every few months.

uansari1 said:
To be honest, and trying to be unbiased, I think these numbers are ok for Google. Here's why I say that... given the marketing channel used here (online only sales and advertising), I suspect that Google is banking on a moderate rate of sales early on, with an increase a little later. Most people like to see and touch something prior to dropping hundreds of dollars on it. I think Google is counting on the early adopters to buy the phones, and then once we have them and others start seeing and playing with them, they will start buying. In theory, this should work the same as if the N1 would have been sold in stores, except the initial sales would be lighter and the rate of sales would be steeper after the first few weeks.
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I agree. This seems similar to Gmail when it was in Beta....and Gvoice. Only certain people had it and it was invite only. This seems to make a launch more manageable (less volume) and the inital adopters are the ones who typically want it the most and spread the word to others for free.

I want one... I just don't want to pay $530 to be a beta tester. I think once the 3g issues are solved we'll see alot more people pay for the phone

once Verizon and vodaphone get this phone. Sales will SKY rocket.

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The only way for a big change in sales would be to sell the Nexus One in stores, mainstream buyers are not going to spend premium money on a handset that they can not handle first.
There are not enough early adopters and tech heads like most of us on this site to make a major impact on sales. Plus many of us are holding off to see how the 3G issue gets handled before buying.

since they didnt really air commercial for the phone and it is only available online. the numbers are pretty good.

melterx12 said:
The HARDWARE to produce the Nexus One costs $175$. This price does NOT include licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
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Yeah... Putting the parts together... probably costs more than the parts themselves, including labor.
Sure, I could get the "parts" for my car too for less than a quarter of what it sells for... I wouldn't want to try to assemble it though!
Cheers,
Kermee

melterx12 said:
The HARDWARE to produce the Nexus One costs $175$. This price does NOT include licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
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...not to mention R&D

I still have people ask me when its coming out when I show them mine, this phone is still very "underground"

melterx12 said:
The HARDWARE to produce the Nexus One costs $175$. This price does NOT include licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
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Can you send me a link to where you found out the hardware only cost $175 for the nexus one. I would like to see how much the snapdragon proc costs, and the 512mb of ram, and all the other components in the phone, and just the cost of putting it together.
And I am not referring to licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
Just the hardware and the costs to put the phone together. I call bull**** on the $175 dollars.
That is how much it might cost to put together the iphone 3gs with much cheaper hardware. But the Nexus One hardware is another story.

Why doesn't T-mobile ever step up.....

On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"

When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.

I was extremely excited about this Galaxy Tab, but in reality, the price is kind of a dealbreaker, and as far as I can tell, there is no wi-fi only version. I am not paying for another device on the network.
But as far as why T-mobile doesn't step up: it is just like mmalott says. Contracts have so many intricacies, so many things that have to get ironed out.
But for what it's worth, you don't know that they won't make it available for T-mobile yet. Maybe Samsung will go to all 4 carriers with it, you never know. We'll have to wait and see.

gthmcty1 said:
On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"
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I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.

The price is way to high for what is. For that price I can get a small fully functioning laptop that folds into a touch tablet.
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I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.

MilkPudding said:
I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.
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So true...

mmalott said:
When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.
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that. plus there's the fcc approvals needed for each band/network it supports.

I've seen websites saying Verizon is getting it to, it's not unlikely that they are just releasing on all the carriers like they have with the Galaxy S series. They aren't even out of here yet are they? Didn't this happen before with the Galaxy S series, one company said we are getting it then the others followed?

heygrl said:
I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.
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My man/girl where on earth did you get the notion that I was Sprint fan? I have been with Tmo for 7+ years and would not even think about switching services!!! My original point being is why doesn't Tmo "make a play" for things such as the Tablet or even a good , better, best smartphone, even if we do not get them?
Granted given the response by "mmalot" looking at it that way I completely see why Tmo has taken the path it has.
I am happy with Tmo no doubt but I just wish their aggressiveness would equate to a better selection of phone choices, granted the Vibrant which I love is no slouch even with it shortcomings is still a great phone in its own rights.
Regarding a phone such as the G2 which has not come out yet I am sure it will be a worthy opponent I am NOT bashing Tmo I am suggesting that they become slightly more aggressive.
Make sure you have a valid point or even comprehend the statement that is in front of you before you go "bumping your gums" and comment such as you have done.
And in closing I do not have a problem with Tmo as I stated have been a loyal customer for 7+ years (when they were voicestream wireless)and will remain a customer but I like everyone else am entitled to their opinion and I will exercise it at will "heygrl", so please do not try and come at me like I am coming from left field, it was a "freedom of speech" moment.

I do know that a lot of the times the carriers have to bid on the phones/devices that they get. Depending on the manufacturer/device. Would you rather have a g2, mytouch hd, and possibly 2-3 other big devices by the end of the year, or would you rather have a galaxy S that is a little bit larger, without the Super amoled? Do remember that T-Mobile is dropping a ton of funds on rocking out the HSPA+ across the country super fast, and they're the 4th largest carrier. They have to choose a lot more carefully about where to invest then the others.

If someone has a vibrant now, the g2 wil be irrelevant by the time they have to upgrade again. Should not be releasing phones so fast, imo.
Also I may etf my contact and move off android because the fragmentation and slow updates/buggy devices are unbearable.
Almost regret not staying on at&t and getting am iphone. This is ridiculous.
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L8ter n8ter
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Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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AT&T doesn't release an iPhone every year? T-Mobile releases 2 high-end devices within a few months and suddenly they need to slow down... according to other people they need MORE.. just stfu already.

N8ter said:
Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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If you like locked down fancy looking feature phones and a barely working network then ATT is for you, and they'll gladly take your money, enjoy you iPhone 4, we don't care, it's your money

At the end of the day the real reason we're all with tmobile (don't lie) is because of their great plans/ pricing and awesome customer service. If that wasn't the case we'd be all on verizon. I think their approach with the vibrant/g2/faster network this year will play out very well for them.

I hate when people get offended if you tell your opinion about a company. Heygrl the way you reacted on the last page was childish. Grow up, I dont understand why people pledge loyalty to a company then act like blinded fanboys if you tell the truth about them.
T-Mobile obviously needs to step up. Whether they get this tablet or not isn't a dealbreaker for me. Especially if there is no wifi only version. However they need more phones, more high end state of the art phones. Verizon and Sprint are rumored to release 1.5 Ghz phones this year, they are not slouching. The G2's hardware will be completely obsolete by 2011, it will be a new generation of hardware. People seem to think this phone is the best ever because of HSPA+. What happens when you never reach those plateaus of speed and the first dual-core devices drop this year? Gonna feel buyers remorse huh.
It's also rumored that Samsung is working on the Galaxy S2 phone with a 2Ghz processor, 4gb of rom, 1gb ram, super amoled2 and 340ppi. Now THAT'S a revolution, but you ignorant fanboys would never see that because your devoted loyalty to a company makes you think the G2 will be the best phone ever. Such a joke...
HTC has a conference in a week or so, you think their best announcement will be the G2? Come on now. They are working on 1.5-2ghz phones, new battery and screen tech, and dual core devices.
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Even though I don't always agree with Tmobile's business sense I do like their more conservative nature. I don't need 3-5 phones with 2ghz cpus and the latest greatest iPhone at the cost dealing with the stereotypical corporate giant. All I ask for is at least 1 -2 comparable smartphones (MyTouch Slide & Vibrant delivered beautifully), good customer service, and keep your hands out of my pockets. I think T-Mobile has done an outstanding job at doing this. Dealing with Tmo has been a personal experience as compared to dealing with AT&T which was the usual your-the-little-guy thing.
Tmo has left me in wonder plenty of times. Where I live just got 3g but they were trying to sell me a 3G phone prior to that? Why are you guys selling the MyTouch Slide for only $20 less then the Vibrant? Am I missing something there? You guys are rolling out 4G!? But... there's plenty of places that don't even have coverage, EDGE, or 3G yet? Just some of the things that make me scratch my head sometimes but in the end, AT&T and Verizon don't leave me with the satisfaction that T-Mobile does.
Personally I don't want or need 20 smartphones to choose from. Too many problems for the network, the consumer, and the manufactures which will leave more often then not unhappy under the quantity over quality method of thinking.
At the end of the day its your choice based on your experiences and opinion. And this is a forum where people voice experiences and opinion. Just wish people could be more civilized about it so that others can hear/read them without the annoying gibberish.

I guess the real reason that people are so upset with T-mobile is because T-mobile was the first with an android phone and the first with the Google Nexus One phone, and they have lost that crown.
After Sprint got the HTC Hero, T-mobile wasn't the only android carrier anymore, and when Verizon got the Droid, they decided to buy up 95% of the high-end android smart-phones for the next 1.5 years.
AT&T rode iPhone popularity to the top. T-mobile failed to do this with Android. Looking at Android growth & popularity, locking up a few high end exclusives over the next 2-3 years could have propelled T-mobile into 3rd place in terms of subscribers. If I were to guess, then I would say that this is the reason why the CEO got the boot.
T-mobile is not doing that bad...what they aren't doing is beating out the competition with any of their handsets. Everything they release is done bigger or better by another carrier.
Its not as exciting as a 4G release, or a heavily marketed branded line of android phones like Verizon does... but clear away the smoke and mirrors and you'll have to admit that T-mobile is probably tied for 2nd at best (with Sprint), or at worst 3rd overall on android handsets.
The only thing they are missing is a 4.3" high end device to be the definitive 2nd place android carrier.
As for being #1... it won't ever happen. Verizon has 3x the subscribers and charges 20% more for service. They have the cash to burn to stay on top in terms of handset selection.... which they pretty much have to because iPhone lovers will never leave AT&T until the handset is available elsewhere

Why I hate Verizon even more now

Have you read what they're doing lately? To me, this is such a disrespectful move towards Google and the Android OS. Yeah, Android is open source, but you shouldn't let the carriers abuse and diminish Google and the Android name.
I will NEVER join Verizon. Google needs to make a stand for their OS, for their revenue stream, for their stance in the mobile world.
And they need to make a ****ing Nexus Two and sell it better, market it better, offer it for cheaper and sell it online. I believe that they could revive their online phone store if they had the right marketing people to do it. They need to come out with a device that does MORE than everything currently available. They need to put the "making of phones" politics down, put everything in a device that will do everything. I hate it when manufacturers only put current specs, or a little over current specs just to put out a device four months later with a couple upgrades.
Google needs to stay true to its OS, and to its phone line. I would buy every Nexus phone here on out because it has simply been the best phone i have ever owned out of like 20.
/rant over, hope you all agree with me

zachthemaster said:
Have you read what they're doing lately?
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Um... You mean about the default search? Yes, I have... But you might want to actually explain it or link to it, otherwise your post makes no sense and hence 0 replies

Google won't be mass-producing phones, and there is no "Google phone line". They offer developer phones for developers, they don't produce the phones - they outsource the production to actual phone manufacturers, they did that ever since Android, and that's what they'll do. They won't market their phones, they won't sell their phones, because they don't want to. Go search "Open Handset Alliance", read, and use some brain to understand, why it's not going to happen. Not hard, really.
Google can respond easily, and it already did. Google search in on the Market, anyone can install it. And it just needs to make easily installable VoIP app.

Tried posting a link but don't have access yet. Besides the default search they are bringing the VCast app to android in hopes to compete with the market.
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Welcome to android "openness".
IMO that is neither better or worse than all the manufacturer customizaton crap.

nexusdue said:
Welcome to android "openness".
IMO that is neither better or worse than all the manufacturer customizaton crap.
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As a consumer, it is YOUR responsibility to only support products and companies that serve YOUR needs. Giving money out is a way of saying "hey, I like this."
Well DON'T.
If you don't like verizon or what they do, don't give them any money. If everybody shares your opinion, then NOBODY will support verizon and they WILL go under.

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I'd rep you if i could. I too would buy every nexus here on out, by far the nicest phone ive owned and at least 90% of my friends would say the same (that 10 being iphone users )

I just moved from ATT to T-Mobile. Got one of those MyTouch 3G Slides for my mom and the bloatware on it wasn't as bad as what I saw from ATT and Verizon.
Now I read a thing on En or Giz, can't remember which, about Verizon also making its own Android App store and Google are fine with that because they say they want Android everywhere. That's their current goal. In my opinion, it's a double edged sword. On one hand, I think Google should work on a wall for its "garden." But, on the other, it'll no longer be a completely open environment.

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Google won't be mass-producing phones, and there is no "Google phone line". They offer developer phones for developers, they don't produce the phones - they outsource the production to actual phone manufacturers, they did that ever since Android, and that's what they'll do. They won't market their phones, they won't sell their phones, because they don't want to. Go search "Open Handset Alliance", read, and use some brain to understand, why it's not going to happen. Not hard, really.
Google can respond easily, and it already did. Google search in on the Market, anyone can install it. And it just needs to make easily installable VoIP app.
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Actually, I think that Google search is blocked from the market by Verizon ...

zachthemaster said:
Have you read what they're doing lately?
/rant over, hope you all agree with me
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LMAO, no, I don't agree with you.
It's a business.
I like the phones that HTC makes. I like the phones that Google calls their Developer models (G1 & N1). So, I bought both those phones.
As mentioned by lbcoder, it's YOUR MONEY.
Don't support Verizon.

The only US carrier to respect Android at all has been T-Mobile, who have added some network apps to their phones, but they are removable (i think) and don't change the actual phone experience. Other than that they've supported vanilla Android and Google search- I will stick with them for Android. AT&T and Verizon would not be able to ruin the iPhone like this because of Apple, Google need to step in and stop this disgrace to the market.

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What Android needs is not a wall but a wooden fence- more positive restriction rather than totalitarianism. Like Android is socialist while Apple is fascist.

This is why it's OUR RESPONSIBILITY to root every Android™ device we come into contact with
To free our Family & Friends from the blood sucking tentacles of evil carriers like AT&T and Verizon!

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This is why it's OUR RESPONSIBILITY to root every Android™ device we come into contact with
To free our Family & Friends from the blood sucking tentacles of evil carriers like AT&T and Verizon!
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Is Sprint evil? lol

What you all should do, its stop buying subsidized of the carrier, even off the carrier at all. Buy off internet, third party or the like. The only way too hurt carriers and show them your not happy its to hurt their wallets
Why whinge about it then go down to carrier and buy a phone? They will keep doing it if people keep buying phones
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RellikZephyr said:
What you all should do, its stop buying subsidized of the carrier, even off the carrier at all. Buy off internet, third party or the like. The only way too hurt carriers and show them your not happy its to hurt their wallets
Why whinge about it then go down to carrier and buy a phone? They will keep doing it if people keep buying phones
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Only one problem with that theory!!! 90% of people buying cell phones dont want to spend 400 or more on a phone..( they want that free or spend as less as possible ) lol But I totally agree with you.. Cause I buy phones off craigslist half the time..

RellikZephyr said:
What you all should do, its stop buying subsidized of the carrier, even off the carrier at all. Buy off internet, third party or the like. The only way too hurt carriers and show them your not happy its to hurt their wallets
Why whinge about it then go down to carrier and buy a phone? They will keep doing it if people keep buying phones
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How does that make sense if you then end up paying for the same data and voice plan? By not buying the carrier phone you are essentially GIVING the carrier $400+ for free!
They offer your $400 as a subsidy for a phone if you use their service ... if you don't take the subsidy but use their service, you only shoot yourself in the foot.
Check out this thread on the topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=781833

nexusdue said:
How does that make sense if you then end up paying for the same data and voice plan? By not buying the carrier phone you are essentially GIVING the carrier $400+ for free!
They offer your $400 as a subsidy for a phone if you use their service ... if you don't take the subsidy but use their service, you only shoot yourself in the foot.
Check out this thread on the topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=781833
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Like I pointed out in the forum you referenced, a lot of T-Mobile plans are $10 or $20 more a month if you sign up for a 2 year contract. That means subsidized phones on contract cost an additional $240 to $480 more than just the original outlay... Do the math, and see what works for you...
My wife's phone was subsidized by $270 by T-Mo, so I signed up for the contract to get the $270 saving, then paid the $200 early termination fee (saving $70).
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I have N1 on TMobile. My wife has Droid on Verizon. I love my phone, and I like the fact I don't have any bloat-ware, but the Verizon network is way better. Her phone never drops from 3G (not to mention faster in many cases, her phone can pull up web pages faster than mine in most cases even though my phone is faster) and never drops a call. Verizon has to pay for their infrastructure somehow and trying to lock in unsuspecting customers who don't know they have search choices or other choices and use whatever in the default services provided is one of those ways...

nexusdue said:
How does that make sense if you then end up paying for the same data and voice plan? By not buying the carrier phone you are essentially GIVING the carrier $400+ for free!
They offer your $400 as a subsidy for a phone if you use their service ... if you don't take the subsidy but use their service, you only shoot yourself in the foot.
Check out this thread on the topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=781833
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I'm not exactly sure how your plans work in America, I'm Australian. They make their money off us here by charging slightly higher call rates on subsidized phones
But to think that a company whose aim is to make money, will give you a $500 phone absolutely free to you, and a cost to them. Thinking that way doesn't make sense
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Interesting speculation. Apple buy Sprint?

http://goo.gl/M16Ct
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iphone5 only at sprint?
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/10/03/2114206/sprint-bets-big-on-the-iphone

I hate to say this I really do.
But they have the cash... The cash can easily be spent on making the network the fastest there is. I wish a company with the $$$ would do this.

This is the first thing that I have ever read that involves Apple that sounds like a good idea to me. If Apple does buy the network they WILL put the money into the network to make it much better. Most likely the fastest of ALL networks not just the major 4. I hate Apple, I mean I really hate Apple,but if this does happen we could have a major overhaul of our network and we would actually get great speeds as opposed to the decent speeds in some areas and terrible speeds in other areas. I say for the first time ever to Apple, GO FOR IT!

Antitrust.
KJ

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Antitrust.
KJ
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Yeah, there's just no way this would be allowed.
And to the person that thought this was a good idea... yeeaaaahhhhh not sure what you're smoking.
We think At&t and Verizon [and really the whole industry anymore] are bad with the lock downs and penny pinching?
Let Apple own a carrier.

Evo4eva said:
This is the first thing that I have ever read that involves Apple that sounds like a good idea to me. If Apple does buy the network they WILL put the money into the network to make it much better. Most likely the fastest of ALL networks not just the major 4. I hate Apple, I mean I really hate Apple,but if this does happen we could have a major overhaul of our network and we would actually get great speeds as opposed to the decent speeds in some areas and terrible speeds in other areas. I say for the first time ever to Apple, GO FOR IT!
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I agree but I also have some reservations on this, mainly pricing. Everything apple makes tends to be on the expensive side. I'm on Sprint not because it carries the phone I want or because it's got the best coverage, but because it's the cheapest carrier for high end smart phones that include everything you need. No extra charges for GPS access or unlimited texting or anything goofy like that. Point I guess is that if Apple does buy Sprint I hope the pricing stays the same. Otherwise I'll probably have to move back over to Verizon or T-Mobile.

Evo4eva said:
This is the first thing that I have ever read that involves Apple that sounds like a good idea to me. If Apple does buy the network they WILL put the money into the network to make it much better. Most likely the fastest of ALL networks not just the major 4. I hate Apple, I mean I really hate Apple,but if this does happen we could have a major overhaul of our network and we would actually get great speeds as opposed to the decent speeds in some areas and terrible speeds in other areas. I say for the first time ever to Apple, GO FOR IT!
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Yes...and a 50% hike in your bill. And data throttling. And great data plans like "2GB for 25 bucks a month," And all the crap that goes along with Apple.....
Horrible idea.

RoC1909 said:
Yes...and a 50% hike in your bill. And data throttling. And great data plans like "2GB for 25 bucks a month," And all the crap that goes along with Apple.....
Horrible idea.
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You're a moron. Apple is not the cause of the throttling.

Apple makes hardware, and they've chosen a business model to make hardware for certain carriers, either because it made sense, or because that particular carrier bought exclusive rights. Don't quote me, but I think they sell the iPhone in a lot of countries. I don't think it would make much sense for Sprint, but then again they've been doing a lot of little stuff as side-business/sub-business because there is a market for it.

^^ ^^ Apple makes software. Not hardware. They buy hardware from multitude of companies
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I don't really think that would be a good thing. If Apple buy's sprint then I think Apple will start trying to close the market off for google's Android.

Man Steve must be rolling over in his......Oh wait too soon
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I don't buy it.
As mentioned above, Apple is a software/niche hardware company. They sell an image as much as anything. They would not want to get slogged down with wires and towers and coast-to-coast utility servicing....it just isn't what they do (or would be good at).

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1st off I'll let everyone know that I'm not a complete moron. I admit I can't build my own ROM but I can't see why this would violate any antitrust laws. How would this be any different than when the iPhone was only on AT&T? If you wanted an iPhone then you basically were stuck with AT&T. Plus when you have as much cash as Apple has you can "buy" a waiver from the government. Unless I'm missing something I can't see any way Apple buying Sprint would/could harm other mobile carriers other than those carriers couldn't sell the iPhone.

Antitrust, anticompetition, and a step toward monopolizing the industry. FCC cockblocked the at&t/t-moble merge, making the mere notion of Apple owning it's own carrier ludicrous at best.
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Antitrust, anticompetition, and a step toward monopolizing the industry. FCC cockblocked the at&t/t-moble merge, making the mere notion of Apple owning it's own carrier ludicrous at best.
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This
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shochu808 said:
Antitrust, anticompetition, and a step toward monopolizing the industry. FCC cockblocked the at&t/t-moble merge, making the mere notion of Apple owning it's own carrier ludicrous at best.
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A carrier owning their own Network is completely fine under the law. If they wanna pay for it, it's theirs to have. As long as they aren't limiting peoples choice of networks, it's all fine. Clearly Apple would not be doing this. There are other carriers, and nothing Apple can ever do will make you unable to simply switch to one of them. Even if they made future iPhones Sprint exclusives, in the eyes of the law that is their god-given right and there's nothing shady or illegal about it. You *still* have a choice of networks, no one said you have a right to buy an iPhone.
And anyway, Apple will NEVER(mark my words) make an iPhone Sprint exclusive(except maybe for a few weeks at launch). This would be a slap in the face to all the people who support them(literally EVERYONE OF THEM at this point) by buying iPhones while on other networks. Not to mention Sprint is a very small Network and will always be compared to the big two, and nothing Apple can do is gonna change that. So why would they limit themselves in that way?
But despite everything you might read, Apple likely has NO interest in buying Sprint. Why the hell would they? Give me one logical reason? It just makes no sense what-so-ever. But those of you are are using Anti-Trust Law as a reason why it wouldn't be possible really need to look up Anti-Trust in a dictionary because Apple having a foothold in 2 entirely separate but logically linked fields isn't even remotely close to a monopoly. A monopoly of what? Them owning Sprint can't effect your choice of carrier OR handsets. Them owning Apple can't either.

@ landora, in your honest opinion, do you think this would pass through the FCC?
However, I totally agree with your business angle. It would shock me if Apple ever made an attempt to either merge or takeover one of the existing carriers. Cost would make it a huge risk, and too much capital and attention would be devoted toward raising customer satisfaction levels that meet their high standards.
I never said it was against the law, I listed reasons the FCC might consider if this ever got thrown their way. If this crazy notion ever made it through...and not that it would make business sense, what's stopping them from mailing free iPhones to their competitor's customers offering them better carrier service and pricing. Owning both entities could eventually pay off. Initially take a loss on the phone, a later profit from carrier fees. Existing carriers begin to fold not able to compete as Apple gains market share.
All this said without factoring in the broadband packages they could offer if customers purchasrd their macbooks or macpros.
This analogy is extreme, but how different would this be if say British Petroleum decided to by Toyota or Ford?
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To keep it simple
Hell freaking no.
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Is this a first for Android?

One device all over the world. Available on pretty much every carrier in every country. The internals may be different, but same design.
This is such a huge deal. This means accessories are going to be universal, and allow manufactures to make 1 accessory model, thus increasing the economies of scale and variety.
People can also finally recognize the Galaxy name in the US, no more stupid carrier names nonsense.

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One device all over the world. Available on pretty much every carrier in every country. The internals may be different, but same design.
This is such a huge deal. This means accessories are going to be universal, and allow manufactures to make 1 accessory model, thus increasing the economies of scale and variety.
People can also finally recognize the Galaxy name in the US, no more stupid carrier names nonsense.
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May be apart from the nexus devices.
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ECrispy said:
One device all over the world. Available on pretty much every carrier in every country. The internals may be different, but same design.
This is such a huge deal. This means accessories are going to be universal, and allow manufactures to make 1 accessory model, thus increasing the economies of scale and variety.
People can also finally recognize the Galaxy name in the US, no more stupid carrier names nonsense.
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I think this is what happens when you have a strong product that is gonna sell no matter what, you get to dictate things like telling the carriers not to mess with the design and all that stuff. Like apple.

I can imagine how the conversation went with VZW execs :-
VZW: So we need space for a big Droid name on the front, and a different case
Samsung: No way
VZW: And of course the button has to go
Samsung: Don't think so
VZW: And we'll be sending you a list of features we want deleted
Samsung: Are you crazy?
VZW: We were thinking Oct 21 is when we announce it, our marketing dept needs to create some new ads
Samsung: Look, STFU! You want this phone, you're gonna do exactly what we tell you, and tell you what, you can;t charge $299 for it either. Got it?

ECrispy said:
I can imagine how the conversation went with VZW execs :-
VZW: So we need space for a big Droid name on the front, and a different case
Samsung: No way
VZW: And of course the button has to go
Samsung: Don't think so
VZW: And we'll be sending you a list of features we want deleted
Samsung: Are you crazy?
VZW: We were thinking Oct 21 is when we announce it, our marketing dept needs to create some new ads
Samsung: Look, STFU! You want this phone, you're gonna do exactly what we tell you, and tell you what, you can;t charge $299 for it either. Got it?
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Lol ... I'm really wondering how Samsung managed to pull this off . I mean what's in it for carriers to release as is, I think may be they want a serious apple competitor to just keep apple at check and they believe sgs3 is the one
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ECrispy said:
One device all over the world. Available on pretty much every carrier in every country. The internals may be different, but same design.
This is such a huge deal. This means accessories are going to be universal, and allow manufactures to make 1 accessory model, thus increasing the economies of scale and variety.
People can also finally recognize the Galaxy name in the US, no more stupid carrier names nonsense.
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I was thinking just the same. This is a paradigm shift. Android has, by far, the greatest market share among smartphone OSes, but Apple still dominates in hardware. I think this phone could change all of that - especially at $199. Add to that unprecedented custom SW development and accessories.
The bigger question looming is what this means for the rest of the Android OEMs. Aside from offering a better display and aesthetics, how do you compete with something like this? Let's face it, a strong ecosystem is more valuable than any feature these days.

More than anything, this signals a shift in power away from the US carriers who are used to getting their own way. Till now, the only company they listened to was Apple.
Hopefully this will encourage HTC etc to let them deliver the phone they designed, and not the carriers. Though some, like Sprint, always managed to make the phone better

I don't live in the US, can someone explain why the carriers do this? What do they gain from releasing a custom device? A competitive edge? The most that happens where I live is the big carriers will sell a device with their logo as the boot animation and a custom app or two. At the extreme their logo is branded on the device.
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US carriers (and ISP's) are basically a monopoly permitted by our govt (via the FCC) so there is very little competition and no choice for consumers. In the rest of the world you have unlocked phones which share the same GSM network, prepaid plans and its easy to switch. Its the exact opposite here, you pick your carrier, pick the phone they offer and sign a contract.

kirdroid said:
May be apart from the nexus devices.
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Even the Samsung Nexus phones have been modified by carriers (don't know about the N1).

kirdroid said:
Lol ... I'm really wondering how Samsung managed to pull this off . I mean what's in it for carriers to release as is, I think may be they want a serious apple competitor to just keep apple at check and they believe sgs3 is the one
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Whats there to wonder? samsung said, "you take it as it is, or leave it." Thats all there is to it. That's all samsung had to say.

ECrispy said:
One device all over the world. Available on pretty much every carrier in every country. The internals may be different, but same design.
This is such a huge deal. This means accessories are going to be universal, and allow manufactures to make 1 accessory model, thus increasing the economies of scale and variety.
People can also finally recognize the Galaxy name in the US, no more stupid carrier names nonsense.
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Sounds like you read the article about this exact topic on Android Police and pretty much just highlighted the key points they made. But yeah, big move here. All involved stand to gain nicely from the collaboration so it's a win/win/win/win/win/win/win/win.....you get the point

ECrispy said:
US carriers (and ISP's) are basically a monopoly permitted by our govt (via the FCC) so there is very little competition and no choice for consumers. In the rest of the world you have unlocked phones which share the same GSM network, prepaid plans and its easy to switch. Its the exact opposite here, you pick your carrier, pick the phone they offer and sign a contract.
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Funny, here we have the exact same situation but with our fixed line telephones. Only one partially state owned company who abuses their monopoly so badly the effect is measurable in our inflation rate.
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