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any hope for new evo root

I just got my new evo from radioshack after the first one bricked on the update. Anyone try to root the evo that has the new update....im sorta scared ever since the brick....got lucky enough to find a phone at radioshack since everywhere else is sold out....

spamking98 said:
I just got my new evo from radioshack after the first one bricked on the update. Anyone try to root the evo that has the new update....im sorta scared ever since the brick....got lucky enough to find a phone at radioshack since everywhere else is sold out....
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Did you update your new phone or did it come updated?

patience young padawan...

dehelflix said:
Did you update your new phone or did it come updated?
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Came updated with the latest update that bricked my first phone.....i really miss the wifi tether and flashing new roms...

As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.

Pops_G; said:
As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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Sprint sells us unlimited data and you're sad when people use it? What is an appropriate amount of data to use?

I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.

gthing said:
What is an appropriate amount of data to use?
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Never really thought about that, but I guess they could handle that the way Google handles Gmail memory. Maybe take the total available and divide that by the number of users, add another gig or 2 to be safe? As the network improves, that cap should go up. Gmail handles it like that, your memory cap is slowly climbing as more becomes available.
I realize bandwidth and storage capacity are 2 different things because of things like peek usage hours and whatnot. However I am sure they could come to a reasonable formula with that approach.

Is it cool if we take up a collection for the first team/dev to crack it? The devs definately deserve it (although many might not even want the money), so it seems like they should get something and we help kick up the motivation a notch as well. Maybe this is a no-no, idk. Just a thought

Pops_G said:
As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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I guess you like bending over or being bent over (by Sprint or otherwise) without been taken out on a date first eh. bad joke, don't take offence eh. Geez...but isn't that what you're being charged extra premium data for?

I picked up an Evo for my girlfriend yesterday and asked them not to put the update on because I didn't have time for it to complete. I said I'd just do it at home. Took it home and rooted that bad boy so fast.

you can't just flash back to the stock rom and reroot?

Pops_G said:
I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
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i don't know about you but i'm paying $70 a month for Premium unlimited data and if i want to use it then i will. tethering by wire doesn't take an extra $30, that's for the wifi hotspot feature. use PDAnet app or something similar. on a recent vacation i grabbed 6GB of HDTV shows overnight on 3G, no problem. i'd use 4G if it was up and running in a place i could use it but that hasn't been an option yet. even on 3G it wouldn't be hard to download 100GB a month with a little effort.

Pops_G; said:
I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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I have a problem with charging extra for tethering and object to it on moral grounds. I believe it is a violation of the concept net neutrality and an illogical charge at that. The only reason people are not up in arms about it is that they don't think of cell carriers as ISPs yet, but that's what they are.
If I download something knot my phone and later transfer it to my computer, is that against sprint's tos? If I do that same thing in an automated way is it a violation? Because that's what tethering is.

Only a matter of time until someone cracks it. The Android dev community is too powerful.
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Pops_G said:
I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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Hey, I am part owner in a Web Hosting Business so I am very aware of bandwidth prices and limitations.
However, I simply don't agree with people that claim it is a bad thing to use lots of data (regardless of how it is used). If Sprint didn't want us to use as much as we want then they should not have called it an "Unlimited" plan...period!!
If a company offers unlimited and people actually use it, causing the networks to slow down, then that is NOT the customer's fault. Would you fault the customers if a buffet runs out of food? Of course not!
Sprint needs to step up the network and get the infrastructure sorted out so they can hold up to the service they are offering.

ramiss said:
Hey, I am part owner in a Web Hosting Business so I am very aware of bandwidth prices and limitations.
However, I simply don't agree with people that claim it is a bad thing to use lots of data (regardless of how it is used). If Sprint didn't want us to use as much as we want then they should not have called it an "Unlimited" plan...period!!
If a company offers unlimited and people actually use it, causing the networks to slow down, then that is NOT the customer's fault. Would you fault the customers if a buffet runs out of food? Of course not!
Sprint needs to step up the network and get the infrastructure sorted out so they can hold up to the service they are offering.
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i like the analogy there, good stuff. were paying for unlimited data so they can just deal with it.

My stance isn't to protect poor little Sprint from evil users. It's more of an issue I have with people "pissing in the punch" as it were. If we do lose "Unlimited" it will because the few people that gorge themselves. Also when Sprint makes an unlimited plan for phones, I am sure they have the actually device in mind. You can only realistically consume so much data using the actual phone. Its not till you hook the phone up to other devices that your data will skyrocket.
All I am saying is like most privileges in life, if you abuse them you lose them. It's one side of the coin, I am sure you guys can at least see my point. I understand were you guys are coming from, I just think its a bit short sighted.
AT&T threw in the towel(on unlimited), Verizon is likely to follow, I just would hate to also have Sprint give up on us and follow the leader too.

Pops_G said:
All I am saying is like most privileges in life, if you abuse them you lose them. It's one side of the coin, I am sure you guys can at least see my point.
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But, its not a privilege or a side of the coin. We payed for UNLIMITED! What is wrong with using UNLIMITED??

Pops_G said:
AT&T threw in the towel(on unlimited), Verizon is likely to follow, I just would hate to also have Sprint give up on us and follow the leader too.
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Actually, AT&T never had unlimited (5GB cap). Same with Verizon. Sprint has said 5GB cap as well in their 'unlimited' data plans (with the exception of the Evo, where it's written out specifically), but they very rarely ever enforced it. AT&T and Verizon will charge you up the rear if you go over.
So no, none of the providers ever had unlimited data. It's just a question of their policies.
Also, keep in mind that downloading really isn't the problem. It's uploading that screws with everyone's connection. So for those of you who are running torrents on your connection, STOP. You can and will cause data issues for everyone else on the node, as there's a limited amount of upload bandwith to go around.

At&t geting crazy

AT&T wants us to be legit and not steal tether and this and that for Wht? They cap out speeds and when we finally get good Android phones its held down by moto blurr and a bootloader that is locked..... what do we do? How can we protest this? Lol maybe we should spray paint HSUPA AND #UNLOCKMOTO on store windows hahaha. Its wrong but its the only way to hitem how theyed care... financially that's the key to slowing them down financial hits. But really how can we get their attention?
Sent from Atrix ;-)

frankiedizzle87 said:
AT&T wants us to be legit and not steal tether and this and that for Wht? They cap out speeds and when we finally get good Android phones its held down by moto blurr and a bootloader that is locked..... what do we do? How can we protest this? Lol maybe we should spray paint HSUPA AND #UNLOCKMOTO on store windows hahaha. Its wrong but its the only way to hitem how theyed care... financially that's the key to slowing them down financial hits. But really how can we get their attention?
Sent from Atrix ;-)
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I have been wondering this as well. We need to organize or something. It has to start somewhere, I think everyone is aware of how bad corporate America has gotten but where is the breaking point?

project mayhem

frankiedizzle87 said:
AT&T wants us to be legit and not steal tether and this and that for Wht? They cap out speeds and when we finally get good Android phones its held down by moto blurr and a bootloader that is locked..... what do we do? How can we protest this? Lol maybe we should spray paint HSUPA AND #UNLOCKMOTO on store windows hahaha. Its wrong but its the only way to hitem how theyed care... financially that's the key to slowing them down financial hits. But really how can we get their attention?
Sent from Atrix ;-)
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Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.

jkrohn said:
Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.
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Its not that easy when you have family plans and your kind of trapped. $350 per line is a lot. Yea I might beable to fight with them and get out of it but it doesnt always work.

live4nyy said:
I have been wondering this as well. We need to organize or something. It has to start somewhere, I think everyone is aware of how bad corporate America has gotten but where is the breaking point?
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Corporate America is one thing, but consumers are largely at fault as well. Just look at the 'solutions' people talk about. Vandalism? These are franchises. You think that at&t store down the street is owned and operated directly by the corp? You're hurting local business owners.
The reality is, there's zero creativity on the part of irked consumers. They don't know how to get a message out, they don't know how to start a counter-culture. Today's 'rebels' all depend on 'the man' to keep in touch with each other anyway. They sit around on their thumbs signing contracts they don't read because HAVING service is all that matters at the time. We wait for competitors to sound attractive enough, but in the end brand loyalty and other principles are a higher priority.
We sit around waxing philosophical about open standards and open source and the openness of Android, but what if Android was a Verizon exclusive? Would you completely bend over and submit to everything anticonsumer about VZN just so you can proudly wear at least ONE badge of principles for supporting an open OS? Or is it perhaps better in the long run to support even the most locked down software and ecosystems as long as the carrier and the bigger picture meet ethical standards?
Frankly, I'd rather buy based on carrier FIRST, knowing that even if my platform today isn't brilliant, I'm supporting a network i'd rather see future platforms target.
We get so caught up beating off to open software that we ignore the reality that infrastructure is a 500x more important battle. And then we just betch and sob when the infrastructure isn't the way we want it.
Man up, stop worrying so much about whether something has the almighty GPL stamp of approval, and pay attention to the real war we should be fighting. And not with hashtags.
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Not defending AT&T by any means but you can't seriously be upset that AT&T doesn't want people to cheat their system and tether for free or can you? I tether for free and I'd expect AT&T to not want users to do this as it takes away from their revenue something any business wants not something they want to lose.

Mustang302LX said:
Not defending AT&T by any means but you can't seriously be upset that AT&T doesn't want people to cheat their system and tether for free or can you? I tether for free and I'd expect AT&T to not want users to do this as it takes away from their revenue something any business wants not something they want to lose.
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I will pay AT&T for anything...
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!

josidhe said:
Corporate America is one thing, but consumers are largely at fault as well. Just look at the 'solutions' people talk about. Vandalism? These are franchises. You think that at&t store down the street is owned and operated directly by the corp? You're hurting local business owners.
The reality is, there's zero creativity on the part of irked consumers. They don't know how to get a message out, they don't know how to start a counter-culture. Today's 'rebels' all depend on 'the man' to keep in touch with each other anyway. They sit around on their thumbs signing contracts they don't read because HAVING service is all that matters at the time. We wait for competitors to sound attractive enough, but in the end brand loyalty and other principles are a higher priority.
We sit around waxing philosophical about open standards and open source and the openness of Android, but what if Android was a Verizon exclusive? Would you completely bend over and submit to everything anticonsumer about VZN just so you can proudly wear at least ONE badge of principles for supporting an open OS? Or is it perhaps better in the long run to support even the most locked down software and ecosystems as long as the carrier and the bigger picture meet ethical standards?
Frankly, I'd rather buy based on carrier FIRST, knowing that even if my platform today isn't brilliant, I'm supporting a network i'd rather see future platforms target.
We get so caught up beating off to open software that we ignore the reality that infrastructure is a 500x more important battle. And then we just betch and sob when the infrastructure isn't the way we want it.
Man up, stop worrying so much about whether something has the almighty GPL stamp of approval, and pay attention to the real war we should be fighting. And not with hashtags.
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Vandalism??? I haven't thought of that....hmmmm....
On a serious note, I agree with what you are saying.
(I would have felt better about agreeing with you if you weren't being so abrasive about it, I don't know what "manning up" has to do with it)
Regardless, there is something wrong with the current system of marketing and commercialism. Trust me, I feel bad when I sit here and complain about upload speeds when there is real tragedies happening in the world (eg. Japan) but when it comes to it, this is beyond cellular carriers and beyond truth in advertising. This is more about a global brainwash. Corporations rule the world, and we are going to regret it.

The evolution underlying the Atrix highlights the problem even more. I have unlimited data on my phone. My phone natively possesses the ability to output to a webtop. But if I dock my phone to use the webtop then I have to pay for tethering? That's absurd. And if a developer creates a workaround then I'm violating my contract? Utter bull****.

The evolution underlying the prosecution's case against me highlights the problem even more. I can buy all of the bullets for my gun that I want. My gun natively possesses the ability to kill people. But if I shoot some guy on the beach because the sun is in my eyes, I'm somehow breaking the law? That's absurd.

Techcruncher said:
I will pay AT&T for anything...
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!
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I agree with you on that, tethering should be free since you are already paying for the data. Since it isn't though stealing the feature (again not saying anything since I do it too) isn't going to be something they try to not stop.
I'll continue using Barnacle until I see them say something to me.

Techcruncher said:
I will pay AT&T for anything...
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!
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Err...what's supposed to be free? Tethering isn't supposed to be free at all...it's pretty clearly written in your contract.
And I think it's hilarious/sad that so many people are upset with AT&T that the Atrix has Motoblur, a locked bootloader, and you can't tether for free. Are you kidding? Motorola has complete control over the first 2 things and Tethering isn't free because it's a huge drain on their network and is a service they actually provide for payment.
Would you walk into Walmart and be pissed when they yell at you for stealing a TV? No...because it's something they provide a service for that you'd be trying to evade.

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Err...what's supposed to be free? Tethering isn't supposed to be free at all...it's pretty clearly written in your contract.
And I think it's hilarious/sad that so many people are upset with AT&T that the Atrix has Motoblur, a locked bootloader, and you can't tether for free. Are you kidding? Motorola has complete control over the first 2 things and Tethering isn't free because it's a huge drain on their network and is a service they actually provide for payment.
Would you walk into Walmart and be pissed when they yell at you for stealing a TV? No...because it's something they provide a service for that you'd be trying to evade.
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I think the only thing wrong with your analogy is that paying for tethering when you already pay for data use, is NOT similar to stealing a TV from Walmart. It would be like going to Walmart and having to pay to be checked out when you already have to pay for the items in your cart. They do it because people will pay for it, it is that simple. If you don't like it change carriers or become an executive at AT&T and change it.

I don’t really get the tethering for the new plans either. They give an extra 2gb and it is the same price as going over by 2gb. They should just offer free tethering and if yougo over you would still pay the overage (10gb for$ 10).
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robrj said:
I don’t really get the tethering for the new plans either. They give an extra 2gb and it is the same price as going over by 2gb. They should just offer free tethering and if yougo over you would still pay the overage (10gb for$ 10).
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It's actually 1GB per $10, but you're right, it's the same price so why not just give us the tethering and charge $10 for every GB we go over but instead it could only be charged if we use the entire GB. Oh, I know, I'm living in a fantasy world.

iv been with att for a very long time and have suffered with edge for ever,they keep telling me ill have the service i pay for soon,heard that for three years,maybe they should give me a refund or manup and provide the service they charge for i love my atrix and they love my money but dont put out,and they want more ha iv had unlimited data since the release of iphone 3g ,my average is 2 or 3 gigs on there network i use wifi more than there network because its not there,and if i want to teather i will barnical rules,that is when im in an area i can,the only one who should feel riped off is me and you that dont get the service we pay for not the guy who dont want to have an internet plan at home and kill 25 + gigs off there network

Its against the law and its called Theft of service. So if att or any other cellphone provider wants they can come after you.
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Aldiggi said:
Its against the law and its called Theft of service. So if att or any other cellphone provider wants they can come after you.
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So hide yo kidz, hide yo wife, and hide yo huzband, cuz they're ****ing everybody out here

jkrohn said:
Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.
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Im already on two years and a family plan I bought off contract
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GB update disables tethering even with s-off?

I accepted the OTA but still have full root with s-off, superuser, and recovery.
But today I went to tether with 3G and a message popped up saying I have to add tethering to my plan or whatever... It didn't do this with Froyo... I was able to tether just fine. I very rarely tether because I have an at&t laptop card but once in a great while it doesn't connect so I use my evo.
And before y'all get on me about it, I know you're supposed to pay for tethering.
Thanks in advance
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lmao. wow. okay, little fact. USE WIFI TETHER 3.1-BETA1 IT IS GREAT! BETTER THAN THIS CRAP VERSION IN OUR PHONE! search for it on google. or I think the website is something like http://android-wifi-tether.googlecode.com you'll have to download it to your phone and install it manually. NOT IN THE MARKET! make sure old one is not installed. lolz you're good to go once installed. btw. WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR TETHERING! SPRINT AND OTHER COMPANIES DOING THIS NEED TO STOP SCREWING WITH US! I HAVE A RIGHT TO USE THE FREAKING BANDWIDTH I PAY FOR! just don't abuse the bandwidth. lol.

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lmao. wow. okay, little fact. USE WIFI TETHER 3.1-BETA1 IT IS GREAT! BETTER THAN THIS CRAP VERSION IN OUR PHONE! search for it on google. or I think the website is something like http://android-wifi-tether.googlecode.com you'll have to download it to your phone and install it manually. NOT IN THE MARKET! make sure old one is not installed. lolz you're good to go once installed. btw. WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR TETHERING! SPRINT AND OTHER COMPANIES DOING THIS NEED TO STOP SCREWING WITH US! I HAVE A RIGHT TO USE THE FREAKING BANDWIDTH I PAY FOR! just don't abuse the bandwidth. lol.
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You pay for unlimited mobile to mobile minutes, if there was a hack to tether your voice service to another mobile phone would that be okay too?
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Award Tour said:
You pay for unlimited mobile to mobile minutes, if there was a hack to tether your voice service to another mobile phone would that be okay too?
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Absolutely (in my opinion). Carrier's / ISP's need to abandon this "plan = device" mentality and get with the times. The reality is, what consumers want and expect is "plan = person".
Netflix has done very well by abandoning the old mentality. "I" pay for a plan and "I" can access that plan from any device at any time. If they followed the old model my Netflix streaming account would only work on one device... and I'd bet their growth would have been halved or worse with that strategy.
Market forces will push them where consumers want to go, whether they like it or not. That's exactly what "tethering" is doing: driving the market.

So does anyone know if there's a way to use the stock tethering with rooted gb?
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runcool said:
lmao. wow. okay, little fact. USE WIFI TETHER 3.1-BETA1 IT IS GREAT! BETTER THAN THIS CRAP VERSION IN OUR PHONE! search for it on google. or I think the website is something like http://android-wifi-tether.googlecode.com you'll have to download it to your phone and install it manually. NOT IN THE MARKET! make sure old one is not installed. lolz you're good to go once installed. btw. WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR TETHERING! SPRINT AND OTHER COMPANIES DOING THIS NEED TO STOP SCREWING WITH US! I HAVE A RIGHT TO USE THE FREAKING BANDWIDTH I PAY FOR! just don't abuse the bandwidth. lol.
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So if I update my phone to the newest operating system can I use 3.1beta to wifi tether still? I used some app to root so I can use "wireless tether", but I'm thinking if I update I'll lose that like I did the last time I updated.
Ok nevermind, It's for rooted only phones, If I update I won't be rooted anymore.

josh995 said:
I accepted the OTA but still have full root with s-off.
But today I went to tether with 3G and a message popped up saying I have to add tethering to my plan or whatever... It didn't do this with Froyo... I was able to tether just fine. I very rarely tether because I have an at&t laptop card but once in a great while it doesn't connect so I use my evo.
And before y'all get on me about it, I know you're supposed to pay for tethering.
Thanks in advance
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Being s-off does not mean you are rooted. If you are running the stock ota then you do not have superuser permissions. There are plenty of topics which will solve your problems on these forums. Good luck.
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Award Tour,
I don't get your logic..even with tethering...it still is mobile to mobile..the medium to use is just is different. Does not using Bluetooth device to talk on the phone constitute using voice a external device also count? We don't have to pay a Bluetooth fee now do we. What is then different for using tablet or other device for accessing? This has nothing to do with hacking to another line..or phone for that matter

life64x said:
Award Tour,
I don't get your logic..even with tethering...it still is mobile to mobile..the medium to use is just is different. Does not using Bluetooth device to talk on the phone constitute using voice a external device also count? We don't have to pay a Bluetooth fee now do we. What is then different for using tablet or other device for accessing? This has nothing to do with hacking to another line..or phone for that matter
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Your argument is dumb. A Bluetooth headpiece is a extension/accessory of the same device.
Contractually you're only allowed to have data on one device. Anything more requires a tethering plan. From my perspective its also wrong to tether because cellular data is a finite resource. Sprint's data network is already in a obvious state of over capacity, having multiple devices sucking down data, with the secondary+ (laptop/desktop/even tablets) using more data because of it's default use case, without contributing resources ($) is not a good thing for either Sprint or all other users.
Sprint is living a dream right now. Unlimited data will eventually go, and when it does and the data caps do come, then I'd support free tethering. If you pay for an allocation of 2-5gb of data on their network then I feel that you can use it however you want. For now though I side with Sprint.

josh995 said:
And before y'all get on me about it, I know you're supposed to pay for tethering.
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That was the worst excuse I've read all morning.
"Yeah, yeah. Listen, Officer. Before you get on me about it, I know you're supposed to pay for televisions. Now, are you going to help me load this into my pick-up or what?"

Rem3Dy said:
Being s-off does not mean you are rooted. If you are running the stock ota then you do not have superuser permissions. There are plenty of topics which will solve your problems on these forums. Good luck.
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I do have superuser permissions, and amon ra recovery. Able to flash roms. Etc... I am 100% rooted with the stock OTA ROM. That's why I'm confused as to why tethering won't work.
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SilverZero said:
That was the worst excuse I've read all morning.
"Yeah, yeah. Listen, Officer. Before you get on me about it, I know you're supposed to pay for televisions. Now, are you going to help me load this into my pick-up or what?"
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Actually no. It's more like me stealing a pack of gum, considering I tether literally like 25mb a month with sprint.
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This thread is going places............

Cares said:
This thread is going places............
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many places just not in the intended direction

I was with you until you said you would tether if you paid for an allocation ( 2-5gb).
That makes no sense, because if you don't breach your contract when you are paying for "unlimited data" why the heck would you when you have limits? Makes no sense to me, is one or the other, can't have it both way specially when it makes no sense at all, atleast to me.
Is like, imagine a restaurant gives you unlimited refills and they bring it on this "shot glass" but since its unlimited you want to Exchange it for a bigger cup, they tell you that's 5 bucks extra to do that, and you are fine with it, you won't wait till they are not looking to snatch the bigger cup for free.
But then if the policy changes to where you can only refill that shot glass three to five times, and not unlimited times, and still get the bigger cup for 5 bucks, then you will be alright taking the risk of getting cough by snatching the bigger cup? See how that makes no sense? Taking the risk for a smaller reward.
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josh995 said:
Actually no. It's more like me stealing a pack of gum, considering I tether literally like 25mb a month with sprint.
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In the last 50 years, corporate taxes have been going down as a percentage of government revenue while individual taxes have provided a larger and larger share of the Government tax base. The top 1% of income earners (meaning CEOs and the like) own 34% of the country's wealth while the bottom 80% own just 15%. Corporations spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year to lobby (aka: bribe) congress to promote their own selfish corporate interests, and the Supreme Court just granted them the right to spend unlimited funds promoting their chosen presidential candidate. They relocate their coporate offices to a post-office box in the Cayman islands to avoid U.S. Taxes. Copyright laws have been extended numerous times by corporate owned legislators to prevent cultural cash cows from entering the public domain where people could enjoy them free of charge. We have a tax code that is tailored to corporate interests at the expense of ordinary citizens. Firms like Walmart aggressively fight unionization efforts (yaaaay capitalism when it suits us) in their stores and through state legislatures all while bribing their bought-and-paid-for legislators to institute price-caps on credit and charge card companies (yaaaay Socialism when it suits us). Between 2000 and 2008, Wall Street and the banks operated what was essentially a massive pump and dump operation that left millions of Americans owing tens of thousands of dollars more on their homes than the homes were worth, and nearly sunk the economy in the process, while Wall Street titans and banking CEOs walked away with billions upon billions of dollars in profits. Not one of the top corprate scam artists has seen a day of jail time, but instead have been the beneficiaries of billions of dollars in bonuses. Hedge fund managers pay a tax rate of just 15% on tens and sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars they make through managing other people's money (they keep their tax rates low by buying off legislators). When the oil company BP nearly destroyed the economy of the Gulf States through an accident caused by reckless drilling practices, we had politicians describing a meager $20 billion repayment fund as government "extortion" while apologizing to the company for the unfair way it was being treated by the government.
In this context anyone who loses a day of sleep because they're rooting their phone and getting free wireless tethering out of the deal needs to just take a bus to New York City and personally lick Donald Trump's brown eye clean the next time he takes a dump.
The next time you have an opportinuty to screw a giant corporation you shouldn't ask yourself "is it right or wrong" you should ask yourself "how likely am I to get caught, and can I deal with the consequences if I do."
These sorts of questions of right and wrong make sense in a Democracy. In a plutocracy (which is what we've become over the last 50 years) they are at best quaint, and at worst naive.

josh995 said:
I do have superuser permissions, and amon ra recovery. Able to flash roms. Etc... I am 100% rooted with the stock OTA ROM. That's why I'm confused as to why tethering won't work.
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You are extremely dense. Having superuser permissions doesn't magically allow you to tether with the stock tethering app. You need to do more than root a stock rom for it to work. Figure it out yourself.
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BigJPR said:
I was with you until you said you would tether if you paid for an allocation ( 2-5gb).
That makes no sense, because if you don't breach your contract when you are paying for "unlimited data" why the heck would you when you have limits? Makes no sense to me, is one or the other, can't have it both way specially when it makes no sense at all, atleast to me.
Is like, imagine a restaurant gives you unlimited refills and they bring it on this "shot glass" but since its unlimited you want to Exchange it for a bigger cup, they tell you that's 5 bucks extra to do that, and you are fine with it, you won't wait till they are not looking to snatch the bigger cup for free.
But then if the policy changes to where you can only refill that shot glass three to five times, and not unlimited times, and still get the bigger cup for 5 bucks, then you will be alright taking the risk of getting cough by snatching the bigger cup? See how that makes no sense? Taking the risk for a smaller reward.
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Your argument/example is both dumb and confusing.
Situation unlimited: you pay for unlimited soda refills, cheating would mean filling the cups of other people with your unlimited refills. I wouldn't support this at all.
Situation limited: you pay for 1 gallon worth of soda, you *should* be able to use it however the hell you want.
That said, I wouldn't recommend breaching a contract under any circumstances. I just want to point out that I'd make an argument for it. Like how the OP somehow feels he should be entitled to tether Sprint's unlimited for free, I think you should be entitled to use a data allocation anyway you want.

josh995 said:
I do have superuser permissions, and amon ra recovery. Able to flash roms. Etc... I am 100% rooted with the stock OTA ROM. That's why I'm confused as to why tethering won't work.
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Unlocking a car doesn't make it go.
The "stock" OTA rom doesn't have root, but if you flashed superuser, or actually flashed the rooted version of the OTA then yes, you are rooted. But you're still running a stock ROM, which means you don't have a free tethering solution built in. You now have the ability to add one, whether it's the wireless tether from the market, a hacked version of the Sprint tether, or a different ROM that has the Android built-in tethering restored. Until you do one of those, you're just running the ROM Sprint released, and they certainly didn't give you any tools in that ROM to allow you to tether for free.

Award Tour said:
You pay for unlimited mobile to mobile minutes, if there was a hack to tether your voice service to another mobile phone would that be okay too?
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So you think we should pay for using bluetooth earpiece when making a call?
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Read -> Sprint changing a few things... again.

Getting rid of the "premier customer", returns go from 30 to 14 days, upgrade moves from 22 to 20 months BUT upgrade fee goes from 18 to 36..... all these changes are probly because of the new iphone too.... f*ck sprint and the rest of em.
phandroid.com/2011/09/15/sprint-mak...ram-cuts-back-returnexchange-policy-and-more/

that was announced a month ago lol

its for whoever doesnt know.
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Agreed! F**k Sprint!

go away why did u have to bump this thread just to say that.
and obviously u didnt even read this thread because at no point was anyone bashing sprint witch means this was an epic fail for you.

Bierce22 said:
go away why did u have to bump this thread just to say that.
and obviously u didnt even read this thread because at no point was anyone bashing sprint witch means this was an epic fail for you.
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Check again Bierce:
The op said the same thing the Guy b4 u did....."F-sprint" so he did read the thread.
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i like sprint (for now), dont get me wrong. but they are slowly hiking prices and axing services. they just got rid of unlimited 4g hotspot.... i think its only a matter of time before unlimited data is a thing of the past.

youdug said:
i like sprint (for now), dont get me wrong. but they are slowly hiking prices and axing services. they just got rid of unlimited 4g hotspot.... i think its only a matter of time before unlimited data is a thing of the past.
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I'm not too sure about that. Mainly because every commercial i see for them is the
"We are sprint, we are truly unlimited" IMHO that's the only thing sprint has going for them, until the new iPhone comes out.

Sprint is still better than the alternatives though. Good customer service, awesome phones, etc. Everyone else has already done all this junk and gone to tiered plans so I'm happy that Sprint has kept their service as is for so long
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rubyknight said:
Sprint is still better than the alternatives though. Good customer service, awesome phones, etc. Everyone else has already done all this junk and gone to tiered plans so I'm happy that Sprint has kept their service as is for so long
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I agree, if you find a better service at Sprint's prices, let me know, I'll be upgrading soon.

youdug said:
i like sprint (for now), dont get me wrong. but they are slowly hiking prices and axing services. they just got rid of unlimited 4g hotspot.... i think its only a matter of time before unlimited data is a thing of the past.
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Is there really anyone that uses unlimited hotspot? I can't honestly imagine someone just tethering their laptop, gaming device, ect with their phone ALL day. The only thing that bothers me with the premier loss is return policy.

It is bs. I signed up for unlimited. I should get unlimited. If I spend anymore I might as well just get internet in my house instead of phone. What is this power trip all the carrier's seem to be on? The power to giveth, the power to take away? The power to cancel my service is what they'll get. I don't understand why sprint would make a move for the iphone and sacrifice the biggest advantage that no other carrier provides. That in my mind would be the gold mine and I would squat on it. Unless they are all acting together to gain greater profit from the consumer because they are all not happy with the percentages, it makes no sense. It does make sense however that they would all drop like dominos to the power of apple. After all, they have as much money saved up as our entire government. Tell me that isn't f'd up. Tell me a company like that can't do whatever they want and manipulate the system. I'm sure if we new everything we would pull out our guns to stop it. Die for it. But, who will ever know. Our worst enemy will be loved like family due to secrets and manipulation as we all suffer unrecognized poverty and enslavement. But, we are many.... and the day will come.

I Beat AT&T today!!

AT&T started throttling my data this afternoon. I kindy went up to my local AT&T store and asked to be put on the phone with customer service. Their phone was tied up so I just ended up using my cellphone and leaving it on speaker phone to amuse the customers and make the staff look ****ty. The employees thought i had no chance but little did they know I remember my contracts and agreements class from college. I never signed a contract with AT&T since i bought my own phone in and I never upgraded or even bought a phone through them. I explained to the customer rep that I am following the terms of the original plan that was provided to me. I explained to them that as long as I have not put a signature on any sort of agreement altering my account then you guys can't legally alter it without consent from me. They tried to say they could and I told think twice before you make your company look really uneducated. Then I told the lady I would like to speak to your supervisor. Oh i got transferred 12 times until this cocky idiot came on the phone. This guy tried to be a smart one when i was explaining the law to him. He said, "The company doesn't give a damn about a law." Then i said sir your conversation is being recorded on my phone as well as your company phone." He said "excuse me?" I said "you heard me fool. You are being recorded and i got you on speaker phone with about 35 people listening and taking notes." He thought i was lying so me being in the bad mood i was in i gathered 10 people around my phone and let them say something to him. The little girl sad "bad man!" She was so adorable. This elderly lady cancelled her service and told the man to go burn in hell. The rest just laughed. After I the elderly lady left went to the counter the guy was kissing butt for real. He said he will see what he can do for me. I told him I can just send Jim a text. He said Jim who. I said Jim Hood our state attorney general. He put me on hold and 5 minutes later he came back saying that i was correct and your data will be fully restored in 10 minutes. I told him we can wait together then. 5 minutes later i did a speed test and I got 6.8 mbs down and 1.58 mbs up. After that i told him i am glad that this was resolved but I will save the conversation for just encase this happens again. He said have a nice day and thanks for being an at&t customer. I said whatever and hung up. The customers actually clapped and the staff looked like someone died. I'm on cloud 9 at the moment. I think I should have went to law school instead getting into Networking and Computers.

Niceeeee
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I just print screened this original post because I am dying of laughter.
Without going too far in-depth, you were wrong. According to you, you were under no contractual agreements with AT&T, therefore, neither were they. Ergo they can change the terms of service at any point and you can decide to cease payment at any point. Both parties can do these actions sans penalty because, according to you, there are no contracts in effect.
You did not beat AT&T. They just got tired of you, which is okay.
To all others: Do not do this. AT&T will put you on hold and laugh at you. Chances of this working for anyone else are slim.

albo23 said:
I just print screened this original post because I am dying of laughter.
Without going too far in-depth, you were wrong. According to you, you were under no contractual agreements with AT&T, therefore, neither were they. Ergo they can change the terms of service at any point and you can decide to cease payment at any point. Both parties can do these actions sans penalty because, according to you, there are no contracts in effect.
You did not beat AT&T. They just got tired of you, which is okay.
To all others: Do not do this. AT&T will put you on hold and laugh at you. Chances of this working for anyone else are slim.
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Technically I was. They was not providing the service that I was supposed to get according to their terms. It was funny though. Most people who renew their contract actually agree to the shady terms. I was really mad because I didn't get a warning before I got throttled. And I got throttled at 3.022 gb according to the idiot on the phone. I think the rep using profanity in front of a bunch of customers got my data back on track to be honest. I am glad I used my cellphone to be honest. I was sure going to give CNN my conversation for real. I have to thanks the HTC developers for including the call recorder app in their sense roms. I think it is the RCMix rom.
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gasolara2002 said:
Technically I was. They was not providing the service that I was supposed to get according to their terms. It was funny though. Most people who renew their contract actually agree to the shady terms. I was really mad because I didn't get a warning before I got throttled. And I got throttled at 3.022 gb according to the idiot on the phone. I think the rep using profanity in front of a bunch of customers got my data back on track to be honest. I am glad I used my cellphone to be honest. I was sure going to give CNN my conversation for real. I have to thanks the HTC developers for including the call recorder app in their sense roms. I think it is the RCMix rom.
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You obviously did not read a line of those terms so, technically, you were not. I am not certain what obligations you think AT&T holds if you did not sign a contract but from my observations, it is much smaller than what you think it really is.

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You obviously did not read a line of those terms so, technically, you were not. I am not certain what obligations you think AT&T holds if you did not sign a contract but from my observations, it is much smaller than what you think it really is.
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Yes I did. I still have the original brochure from 2006. Those are the terms that are agreed upon. I'm sure it can be googled. The terms of the data back then basically said they can cut you off because overwhelming activity. If I was crazy and used 30gb like some customers then I wouldn't even worry about them cutting me off. They didn't follow their terms and the rep cursed during a service call. What more defense could you provide for AT&T? If you want to get down to the core of throttling it is illegal to throttle unless the service is selected for certain speeds such as what the home internet providers do. I think when some attorney general gets free time on their hands they will go after all of these mobile phone providers and penalize them heavily. Sprint, and T-Mobile are the only smart major national providers so far that are making sure that they avoid trouble in the future by being upfront about their data.
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You obviously did not read a line of those terms so, technically, you were not. I am not certain what obligations you think AT&T holds if you did not sign a contract but from my observations, it is much smaller than what you think it really is.
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The thing you don't understand is that it is classified as a product when their is no contract. The terms is what was written in 2006. A product and a service are 2 different things. That's why you see the terms prepaid service and postpaid service. They don't use product a often any more.
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OH MAN, YES! Dude you Rock! I would have loved to see this.
I love seeing AT&T get kicked in the nuts.
This throttle sh!t p!sses me off. I had a very nice rep use a dead IMEI so he could switch my grandfathered unlimited plan, which now gets throttled at 3GB's, becasue ATT refarmed the extra 2Gigs to Simple Mobile,etc.; put me on the LTE plan so I can get 5GBs which is about what I use. I would have bought an LTE device except we probably wont have LTE for another few years! Not to mention the fact Im using a malyasian Galaxy tab plus 7.0 for voice calls and data, because I dont like being force fed the bloated recycled crap options in their stores.
This is so EPIC WIN. I understand networks are changing and much more data is being used these days, but at least let us original unlmited people use a fair amount..
best read all day!
I would happily settle for a sneaky way to unthrottle oursleves, but they are doing it server side, so I dont think we will have much luck.

I will check with my ex but I'm sure that is the reason why. She is an attorney and she normally helps draw up contracts for local entertainers.
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Check out my thread. I love messing with AT&T!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25834280#post25834280

gasolara2002 said:
Yes I did. I still have the original brochure from 2006. Those are the terms that are agreed upon. I'm sure it can be googled. The terms of the data back then basically said they can cut you off because overwhelming activity. If I was crazy and used 30gb like some customers then I wouldn't even worry about them cutting me off. They didn't follow their terms and the rep cursed during a service call. What more defense could you provide for AT&T? If you want to get down to the core of throttling it is illegal to throttle unless the service is selected for certain speeds such as what the home internet providers do. I think when some attorney general gets free time on their hands they will go after all of these mobile phone providers and penalize them heavily. Sprint, and T-Mobile are the only smart major national providers so far that are making sure that they avoid trouble in the future by being upfront about their data.
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gasolara2002 said:
The thing you don't understand is that it is classified as a product when their is no contract. The terms is what was written in 2006. A product and a service are 2 different things. That's why you see the terms prepaid service and postpaid service. They don't use product a often any more.
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Send me the contract when you have an opportunity. I am NOT distributing legal advice, however, I am speaking from the perspective of an individual who is one term from graduating from a T14 Law School. I am suggesting so as you are misleading individuals.
A SERVICE cannot be classified as a PRODUCT in any legally binding terms or agreements (it can, but is unenforceable). Regardless, that is moot as you hold no legally binding terms nor agreements with AT&T. You are still ignoring my previous comment that AT&T can shut off your service tomorrow because there are no legally binding agreements between the two parties. AT&T can throttle you anytime they would like and you can stop paying them anytime you would like as neither of you are constrained contractually.

Very nice. My mom has them for DSL and now she got a cell phone through them. I don't understand it but they suck. Good work man.
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gasolara2002 said:
AT&T started throttling my data this afternoon. I kindy went up to my local AT&T store and asked to be put on the phone with customer service. Their phone was tied up so I just ended up using my cellphone and leaving it on speaker phone to amuse the customers and make the staff look ****ty. The employees thought i had no chance but little did they know I remember my contracts and agreements class from college. I never signed a contract with AT&T since i bought my own phone in and I never upgraded or even bought a phone through them. I explained to the customer rep that I am following the terms of the original plan that was provided to me. I explained to them that as long as I have not put a signature on any sort of agreement altering my account then you guys can't legally alter it without consent from me. They tried to say they could and I told think twice before you make your company look really uneducated. Then I told the lady I would like to speak to your supervisor. Oh i got transferred 12 times until this cocky idiot came on the phone. This guy tried to be a smart one when i was explaining the law to him. He said, "The company doesn't give a damn about a law." Then i said sir your conversation is being recorded on my phone as well as your company phone." He said "excuse me?" I said "you heard me fool. You are being recorded and i got you on speaker phone with about 35 people listening and taking notes." He thought i was lying so me being in the bad mood i was in i gathered 10 people around my phone and let them say something to him. The little girl sad "bad man!" She was so adorable. This elderly lady cancelled her service and told the man to go burn in hell. The rest just laughed. After I the elderly lady left went to the counter the guy was kissing butt for real. He said he will see what he can do for me. I told him I can just send Jim a text. He said Jim who. I said Jim Hood our state attorney general. He put me on hold and 5 minutes later he came back saying that i was correct and your data will be fully restored in 10 minutes. I told him we can wait together then. 5 minutes later i did a speed test and I got 6.8 mbs down and 1.58 mbs up. After that i told him i am glad that this was resolved but I will save the conversation for just encase this happens again. He said have a nice day and thanks for being an at&t customer. I said whatever and hung up. The customers actually clapped and the staff looked like someone died. I'm on cloud 9 at the moment. I think I should have went to law school instead getting into Networking and Computers.
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It's been widely reported that AT&T has a habit of throttling their so-called "unlimited" plans. You waited until it happened to you to go make a scene in an AT&T retail store?

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It's been widely reported that AT&T has a habit of throttling their so-called "unlimited" plans. You waited until it happened to you to go make a scene in an AT&T retail store?
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Brilliant.
:thumbup:

albo23 said:
Send me the contract when you have an opportunity. I am NOT distributing legal advice, however, I am speaking from the perspective of an individual who is one term from graduating from a T14 Law School. I am suggesting so as you are misleading individuals.
A SERVICE cannot be classified as a PRODUCT in any legally binding terms or agreements (it can, but is unenforceable). Regardless, that is moot as you hold no legally binding terms nor agreements with AT&T. You are still ignoring my previous comment that AT&T can shut off your service tomorrow because there are no legally binding agreements between the two parties. AT&T can throttle you anytime they would like and you can stop paying them anytime you would like as neither of you are constrained contractually.
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I got it. My ex has been an attorney for 4 years so I take what you say with good vision but experience is supreme. I was partially wrong in my argument. According to her the basis of it is consumer protection laws and AT&T's own terms. My plan which is not a contract but it is a post paid plan. Since I have never put a signature to give consent to any changes I am only held accountable for what is on the brochure for 2006. The brochure which you can find online clearly states that the provider can cut my phone off if I abuse the network in anyway. Throttling is not introduced in 2006 buddy. No one can be held accountable for a contract they never seen let alone never signed. AT&T would have to completely shutdown my phone and release me from the usage of their network according to the brochure. It can be found on google if you are looking for it. As far as misleading the community I did explain but I think most of them might understand it now. So I apologize for not clearly explaining why I can't get throttled. If you are upset because you may have gotten messed over by AT&T or you may have a part time job with them then all I can say is get over it. You are the only sore one out of the bunch.
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It's been widely reported that AT&T has a habit of throttling their so-called "unlimited" plans. You waited until it happened to you to go make a scene in an AT&T retail store?
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Yup because I thought something was wrong until I switched to my inspire then I knew I was throttled. Yes I did go to the retail store because there is an order to do things and I have learned that in order to get your voice heard you have to make them hear you. Call me crazy but I have no time to play phone tag with anyone. You can sit back if you want to and let them control you at will but with me they are going to have to stick with what was on the brochure of plans they printed for customers to stare at.
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9h0s7 said:
Brilliant.
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Thank You buddy
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Verizon I love u so much please just buy out at&t for us. And cool story
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ATHORNFAM2 said:
Verizon I love u so much please just buy out at&t for us. And cool story
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I actually wish that could happen. I honestly would be with big red if their network wasn't mainly cdma. The voice coverage is the best in the business.
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gasolara2002 said:
Yup because I thought something was wrong until I switched to my inspire then I knew I was throttled. Yes I did go to the retail store because there is an order to do things and I have learned that in order to get your voice heard you have to make them hear you. Call me crazy but I have no time to play phone tag with anyone. You can sit back if you want to and let them control you at will but with me they are going to have to stick with what was on the brochure of plans they printed for customers to stare at.
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Haha, I don't have AT&T so I wouldn't really know about "letting them control you"