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A forum user indicated that this site is not exactly the most credible, and doing the research and looking at the opinions of others, I tend to agree. Still, its alright to dream...right?
http://www.ozcarguide.com/technology/cellphone-pda/3439-htc-sabor-evo-4g-droid-x
Rumor stage, but it seems to be right in line for our yearly upgrade.
2GHZ Snapdragon
front & rear facing camera (10MP) w/ 1080p video
Android 2.5 which is geared for a Q4 release.
Over 1000 display (?)
<Sprint> Merry Christmas, Hero users
*tears........
Hurrah!
I wonder if it will come with the $10 extra a month bend over and take it because you like it fee.
That phone sounds kick ass!!!
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good to know...
centran said:
I wonder if it will come with the $10 extra a month bend over and take it because you like it fee.
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Or you can switch to Verizon or AT&T and pay $40 extra for less? :dunno:
dont really want to be a party pooper, but hasnt that site been regarded as unreliable in the past?
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dont really want to be a party pooper, but hasnt that site been regarded as unreliable in the past?
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Yup, but he is quoting a source of his own.... anyone know how credible his source is?
I predict every new smart phone from Sprint will have 4G and its 10 dollar up-charge.
eh, im somewhat ok with that. if all their androids come with 4g and the 10 dollar charge, then im mad.
I hope it's not very heavy...
(bad pun)a Light Sabor, so to speak.(/bad pun)
I predict that every newer technology will be better than old technology and if you're always waiting for the new thing, you'll never get the new thing. Stop waving your e-penis. Buy the toys and tools you want. Yours isn't better than mine if I can do cooler things with it. Etc...
I have a Hero. I love it. I want an Evo. It'll be outdated soon. New stuff will come out and I'll want it. It will be outdated soon. Notice the pattern?
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I predict every new smart phone from Sprint will have 4G and its 10 dollar up-charge.
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I doubt every new smart phone will - just because BlackBerry seems lazy.
Now in 2 years - yes every smartphone will...
BTW: How do you define smart phone? BB is not in my definition of smart...but it seems to be in everyone else's.
I'm glad I got new golf clubs for father's day instead of the Evo! I think I made the right choice. I am seeing something very nice like this in my Christmas stocking instead!
I can't stopping laughing.
This the phone I have waited for a long time.
this rocks
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I doubt every new smart phone will - just because BlackBerry seems lazy.
Now in 2 years - yes every smartphone will...
BTW: How do you define smart phone? BB is not in my definition of smart...but it seems to be in everyone else's.
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agree.. i don't consider a BB a smart phone at all..
on a side note, why do people still cry over $10 extra for 4G??? so what if its not in your area right now.. chances are most people that don't have it in their area at the moment will travel to areas that do have the coverage, and sprint isn't gonna let u use it for free.. and besides.. it's only $10 a month.. try this, save yourself from eating a McDonalds value meal twice each month and you got your $10 covered. not really that big of a deal..
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agree.. i don't consider a BB a smart phone at all..
on a side note, why do people still cry over $10 extra for 4G??? so what if its not in your area right now.. chances are most people that don't have it in their area at the moment will travel to areas that do have the coverage, and sprint isn't gonna let u use it for free.. and besides.. it's only $10 a month.. try this, save yourself from eating a McDonalds value meal twice each month and you got your $10 covered. not really that big of a deal..
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McDonals = $10 per trip for me....stupid mcflurries. I am a fat kid in a skinny kids body.
I never go to mcdonalds, and hardly ever go eat anywhere else for that matter.
Even if you travel somewhere with 4g, how long will most people be there to use it? Id rather them turn the 4g radio off and not pay the $10. I assume it would save battery power for those with no 4g in our area.
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I just got my new evo from radioshack after the first one bricked on the update. Anyone try to root the evo that has the new update....im sorta scared ever since the brick....got lucky enough to find a phone at radioshack since everywhere else is sold out....
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I just got my new evo from radioshack after the first one bricked on the update. Anyone try to root the evo that has the new update....im sorta scared ever since the brick....got lucky enough to find a phone at radioshack since everywhere else is sold out....
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Did you update your new phone or did it come updated?
patience young padawan...
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Did you update your new phone or did it come updated?
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Came updated with the latest update that bricked my first phone.....i really miss the wifi tether and flashing new roms...
As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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Sprint sells us unlimited data and you're sad when people use it? What is an appropriate amount of data to use?
I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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What is an appropriate amount of data to use?
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Never really thought about that, but I guess they could handle that the way Google handles Gmail memory. Maybe take the total available and divide that by the number of users, add another gig or 2 to be safe? As the network improves, that cap should go up. Gmail handles it like that, your memory cap is slowly climbing as more becomes available.
I realize bandwidth and storage capacity are 2 different things because of things like peek usage hours and whatnot. However I am sure they could come to a reasonable formula with that approach.
Is it cool if we take up a collection for the first team/dev to crack it? The devs definately deserve it (although many might not even want the money), so it seems like they should get something and we help kick up the motivation a notch as well. Maybe this is a no-no, idk. Just a thought
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As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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I guess you like bending over or being bent over (by Sprint or otherwise) without been taken out on a date first eh. bad joke, don't take offence eh. Geez...but isn't that what you're being charged extra premium data for?
I picked up an Evo for my girlfriend yesterday and asked them not to put the update on because I didn't have time for it to complete. I said I'd just do it at home. Took it home and rooted that bad boy so fast.
you can't just flash back to the stock rom and reroot?
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I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
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i don't know about you but i'm paying $70 a month for Premium unlimited data and if i want to use it then i will. tethering by wire doesn't take an extra $30, that's for the wifi hotspot feature. use PDAnet app or something similar. on a recent vacation i grabbed 6GB of HDTV shows overnight on 3G, no problem. i'd use 4G if it was up and running in a place i could use it but that hasn't been an option yet. even on 3G it wouldn't be hard to download 100GB a month with a little effort.
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I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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I have a problem with charging extra for tethering and object to it on moral grounds. I believe it is a violation of the concept net neutrality and an illogical charge at that. The only reason people are not up in arms about it is that they don't think of cell carriers as ISPs yet, but that's what they are.
If I download something knot my phone and later transfer it to my computer, is that against sprint's tos? If I do that same thing in an automated way is it a violation? Because that's what tethering is.
Only a matter of time until someone cracks it. The Android dev community is too powerful.
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I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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Hey, I am part owner in a Web Hosting Business so I am very aware of bandwidth prices and limitations.
However, I simply don't agree with people that claim it is a bad thing to use lots of data (regardless of how it is used). If Sprint didn't want us to use as much as we want then they should not have called it an "Unlimited" plan...period!!
If a company offers unlimited and people actually use it, causing the networks to slow down, then that is NOT the customer's fault. Would you fault the customers if a buffet runs out of food? Of course not!
Sprint needs to step up the network and get the infrastructure sorted out so they can hold up to the service they are offering.
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Hey, I am part owner in a Web Hosting Business so I am very aware of bandwidth prices and limitations.
However, I simply don't agree with people that claim it is a bad thing to use lots of data (regardless of how it is used). If Sprint didn't want us to use as much as we want then they should not have called it an "Unlimited" plan...period!!
If a company offers unlimited and people actually use it, causing the networks to slow down, then that is NOT the customer's fault. Would you fault the customers if a buffet runs out of food? Of course not!
Sprint needs to step up the network and get the infrastructure sorted out so they can hold up to the service they are offering.
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i like the analogy there, good stuff. were paying for unlimited data so they can just deal with it.
My stance isn't to protect poor little Sprint from evil users. It's more of an issue I have with people "pissing in the punch" as it were. If we do lose "Unlimited" it will because the few people that gorge themselves. Also when Sprint makes an unlimited plan for phones, I am sure they have the actually device in mind. You can only realistically consume so much data using the actual phone. Its not till you hook the phone up to other devices that your data will skyrocket.
All I am saying is like most privileges in life, if you abuse them you lose them. It's one side of the coin, I am sure you guys can at least see my point. I understand were you guys are coming from, I just think its a bit short sighted.
AT&T threw in the towel(on unlimited), Verizon is likely to follow, I just would hate to also have Sprint give up on us and follow the leader too.
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All I am saying is like most privileges in life, if you abuse them you lose them. It's one side of the coin, I am sure you guys can at least see my point.
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But, its not a privilege or a side of the coin. We payed for UNLIMITED! What is wrong with using UNLIMITED??
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AT&T threw in the towel(on unlimited), Verizon is likely to follow, I just would hate to also have Sprint give up on us and follow the leader too.
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Actually, AT&T never had unlimited (5GB cap). Same with Verizon. Sprint has said 5GB cap as well in their 'unlimited' data plans (with the exception of the Evo, where it's written out specifically), but they very rarely ever enforced it. AT&T and Verizon will charge you up the rear if you go over.
So no, none of the providers ever had unlimited data. It's just a question of their policies.
Also, keep in mind that downloading really isn't the problem. It's uploading that screws with everyone's connection. So for those of you who are running torrents on your connection, STOP. You can and will cause data issues for everyone else on the node, as there's a limited amount of upload bandwith to go around.
AT&T wants us to be legit and not steal tether and this and that for Wht? They cap out speeds and when we finally get good Android phones its held down by moto blurr and a bootloader that is locked..... what do we do? How can we protest this? Lol maybe we should spray paint HSUPA AND #UNLOCKMOTO on store windows hahaha. Its wrong but its the only way to hitem how theyed care... financially that's the key to slowing them down financial hits. But really how can we get their attention?
Sent from Atrix ;-)
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AT&T wants us to be legit and not steal tether and this and that for Wht? They cap out speeds and when we finally get good Android phones its held down by moto blurr and a bootloader that is locked..... what do we do? How can we protest this? Lol maybe we should spray paint HSUPA AND #UNLOCKMOTO on store windows hahaha. Its wrong but its the only way to hitem how theyed care... financially that's the key to slowing them down financial hits. But really how can we get their attention?
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I have been wondering this as well. We need to organize or something. It has to start somewhere, I think everyone is aware of how bad corporate America has gotten but where is the breaking point?
project mayhem
frankiedizzle87 said:
AT&T wants us to be legit and not steal tether and this and that for Wht? They cap out speeds and when we finally get good Android phones its held down by moto blurr and a bootloader that is locked..... what do we do? How can we protest this? Lol maybe we should spray paint HSUPA AND #UNLOCKMOTO on store windows hahaha. Its wrong but its the only way to hitem how theyed care... financially that's the key to slowing them down financial hits. But really how can we get their attention?
Sent from Atrix ;-)
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Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.
jkrohn said:
Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.
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Its not that easy when you have family plans and your kind of trapped. $350 per line is a lot. Yea I might beable to fight with them and get out of it but it doesnt always work.
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I have been wondering this as well. We need to organize or something. It has to start somewhere, I think everyone is aware of how bad corporate America has gotten but where is the breaking point?
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Corporate America is one thing, but consumers are largely at fault as well. Just look at the 'solutions' people talk about. Vandalism? These are franchises. You think that at&t store down the street is owned and operated directly by the corp? You're hurting local business owners.
The reality is, there's zero creativity on the part of irked consumers. They don't know how to get a message out, they don't know how to start a counter-culture. Today's 'rebels' all depend on 'the man' to keep in touch with each other anyway. They sit around on their thumbs signing contracts they don't read because HAVING service is all that matters at the time. We wait for competitors to sound attractive enough, but in the end brand loyalty and other principles are a higher priority.
We sit around waxing philosophical about open standards and open source and the openness of Android, but what if Android was a Verizon exclusive? Would you completely bend over and submit to everything anticonsumer about VZN just so you can proudly wear at least ONE badge of principles for supporting an open OS? Or is it perhaps better in the long run to support even the most locked down software and ecosystems as long as the carrier and the bigger picture meet ethical standards?
Frankly, I'd rather buy based on carrier FIRST, knowing that even if my platform today isn't brilliant, I'm supporting a network i'd rather see future platforms target.
We get so caught up beating off to open software that we ignore the reality that infrastructure is a 500x more important battle. And then we just betch and sob when the infrastructure isn't the way we want it.
Man up, stop worrying so much about whether something has the almighty GPL stamp of approval, and pay attention to the real war we should be fighting. And not with hashtags.
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Not defending AT&T by any means but you can't seriously be upset that AT&T doesn't want people to cheat their system and tether for free or can you? I tether for free and I'd expect AT&T to not want users to do this as it takes away from their revenue something any business wants not something they want to lose.
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Not defending AT&T by any means but you can't seriously be upset that AT&T doesn't want people to cheat their system and tether for free or can you? I tether for free and I'd expect AT&T to not want users to do this as it takes away from their revenue something any business wants not something they want to lose.
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I will pay AT&T for anything...
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!
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Corporate America is one thing, but consumers are largely at fault as well. Just look at the 'solutions' people talk about. Vandalism? These are franchises. You think that at&t store down the street is owned and operated directly by the corp? You're hurting local business owners.
The reality is, there's zero creativity on the part of irked consumers. They don't know how to get a message out, they don't know how to start a counter-culture. Today's 'rebels' all depend on 'the man' to keep in touch with each other anyway. They sit around on their thumbs signing contracts they don't read because HAVING service is all that matters at the time. We wait for competitors to sound attractive enough, but in the end brand loyalty and other principles are a higher priority.
We sit around waxing philosophical about open standards and open source and the openness of Android, but what if Android was a Verizon exclusive? Would you completely bend over and submit to everything anticonsumer about VZN just so you can proudly wear at least ONE badge of principles for supporting an open OS? Or is it perhaps better in the long run to support even the most locked down software and ecosystems as long as the carrier and the bigger picture meet ethical standards?
Frankly, I'd rather buy based on carrier FIRST, knowing that even if my platform today isn't brilliant, I'm supporting a network i'd rather see future platforms target.
We get so caught up beating off to open software that we ignore the reality that infrastructure is a 500x more important battle. And then we just betch and sob when the infrastructure isn't the way we want it.
Man up, stop worrying so much about whether something has the almighty GPL stamp of approval, and pay attention to the real war we should be fighting. And not with hashtags.
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Vandalism??? I haven't thought of that....hmmmm....
On a serious note, I agree with what you are saying.
(I would have felt better about agreeing with you if you weren't being so abrasive about it, I don't know what "manning up" has to do with it)
Regardless, there is something wrong with the current system of marketing and commercialism. Trust me, I feel bad when I sit here and complain about upload speeds when there is real tragedies happening in the world (eg. Japan) but when it comes to it, this is beyond cellular carriers and beyond truth in advertising. This is more about a global brainwash. Corporations rule the world, and we are going to regret it.
The evolution underlying the Atrix highlights the problem even more. I have unlimited data on my phone. My phone natively possesses the ability to output to a webtop. But if I dock my phone to use the webtop then I have to pay for tethering? That's absurd. And if a developer creates a workaround then I'm violating my contract? Utter bull****.
The evolution underlying the prosecution's case against me highlights the problem even more. I can buy all of the bullets for my gun that I want. My gun natively possesses the ability to kill people. But if I shoot some guy on the beach because the sun is in my eyes, I'm somehow breaking the law? That's absurd.
Techcruncher said:
I will pay AT&T for anything...
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!
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I agree with you on that, tethering should be free since you are already paying for the data. Since it isn't though stealing the feature (again not saying anything since I do it too) isn't going to be something they try to not stop.
I'll continue using Barnacle until I see them say something to me.
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I will pay AT&T for anything...
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!
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Err...what's supposed to be free? Tethering isn't supposed to be free at all...it's pretty clearly written in your contract.
And I think it's hilarious/sad that so many people are upset with AT&T that the Atrix has Motoblur, a locked bootloader, and you can't tether for free. Are you kidding? Motorola has complete control over the first 2 things and Tethering isn't free because it's a huge drain on their network and is a service they actually provide for payment.
Would you walk into Walmart and be pissed when they yell at you for stealing a TV? No...because it's something they provide a service for that you'd be trying to evade.
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Err...what's supposed to be free? Tethering isn't supposed to be free at all...it's pretty clearly written in your contract.
And I think it's hilarious/sad that so many people are upset with AT&T that the Atrix has Motoblur, a locked bootloader, and you can't tether for free. Are you kidding? Motorola has complete control over the first 2 things and Tethering isn't free because it's a huge drain on their network and is a service they actually provide for payment.
Would you walk into Walmart and be pissed when they yell at you for stealing a TV? No...because it's something they provide a service for that you'd be trying to evade.
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I think the only thing wrong with your analogy is that paying for tethering when you already pay for data use, is NOT similar to stealing a TV from Walmart. It would be like going to Walmart and having to pay to be checked out when you already have to pay for the items in your cart. They do it because people will pay for it, it is that simple. If you don't like it change carriers or become an executive at AT&T and change it.
I don’t really get the tethering for the new plans either. They give an extra 2gb and it is the same price as going over by 2gb. They should just offer free tethering and if yougo over you would still pay the overage (10gb for$ 10).
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robrj said:
I don’t really get the tethering for the new plans either. They give an extra 2gb and it is the same price as going over by 2gb. They should just offer free tethering and if yougo over you would still pay the overage (10gb for$ 10).
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It's actually 1GB per $10, but you're right, it's the same price so why not just give us the tethering and charge $10 for every GB we go over but instead it could only be charged if we use the entire GB. Oh, I know, I'm living in a fantasy world.
iv been with att for a very long time and have suffered with edge for ever,they keep telling me ill have the service i pay for soon,heard that for three years,maybe they should give me a refund or manup and provide the service they charge for i love my atrix and they love my money but dont put out,and they want more ha iv had unlimited data since the release of iphone 3g ,my average is 2 or 3 gigs on there network i use wifi more than there network because its not there,and if i want to teather i will barnical rules,that is when im in an area i can,the only one who should feel riped off is me and you that dont get the service we pay for not the guy who dont want to have an internet plan at home and kill 25 + gigs off there network
Its against the law and its called Theft of service. So if att or any other cellphone provider wants they can come after you.
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Its against the law and its called Theft of service. So if att or any other cellphone provider wants they can come after you.
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So hide yo kidz, hide yo wife, and hide yo huzband, cuz they're ****ing everybody out here
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Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.
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Im already on two years and a family plan I bought off contract
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If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon. Please do whatever you can to fight against this.
Also motorola and htc are going to start doing the same.
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If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon. Please do whatever you can to fight against this.
Also motorola and htc are going to start doing the same.
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Where have you heard this? This is the first I have heard of it and through multiple google searches it seems that all link to this thread or copies of it. Nothing from any reputable source. Also after speaking with a Verizon rep they thought it was funny and didn't hear about it either.
EDIT: I saw the post by P3droid I still don't buy it. This garbage has been circling the internet for over a year. Not true then, not true now. Also if you read the article HTC and other carriers are thinking about this as well and HTC is already including encrypted bootloaders so point fingers everywhere. Still though Verizon nor any other carrier are going to do anything. Think about it... They are offering the upgrade on Zoom tablets even if you are rooted... That post by P3Droid is simply fear mongering.
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html#post65013
And p3droid doesn't lie.
If this were the case, what would need to be done - watch our data usage so as not to be noticed?
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If my data is suspended I'm going to sue there asses off
V1215 said:
If this were the case, what would need to be done - watch our data usage so as not to be noticed?
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Don't update your phone unless we say its ok because they could put the software on the update.
UPDATE: BREAKING: IF YOU UPDATED TO 2.3.3 VERIZON ALREADY KNOWS AND HAS TRACKED YOU
Jmoney47 said:
If my data is suspended I'm going to sue there asses off
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You're going to sue them because you violated your warranty and TOS?
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You're going to sue them because you violated your warranty and TOS?
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Agreed. Verizon and other carriers could careless about rooted phones. It's users that tether crazy data. I'm rooted and have no desire to tether, never have and probably never will.
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Verizon has already baked tether detection into Gingerbread.
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Is this some kind of April fools? First of all, we should be allowed to use our data allotment however we see fit, the tether plan is nothing more than a money grab. I can connect my computer, and whatever else, and if I run out of data, verizon gets more money that month, since I have to buy more. Preventing us from tethering for free is ridiculous. And frankly, ATT did it for the iphone, but I actually think that's because they have a pathetic network, and they had to find some way to lighten the load. Anyway, this better not be true. Or I'm starting my own wireless company, and it will be FOR the people. While still making plenty of money not having to nickel and dime anybody. That is all.
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To hell with Freedom!!
As a new root user, and a complete N00B. I first would like to say. Thank you! To all the dev teams out there. You guys have made my experience with my amazing Droid X a complete blast. I just love flashing the Liberty 1.5 ROM to all my fellow co-workers that are being strapped by Apple. I for one, being a tech, have heard a lot of backroom conversations. I know these big corporate entities are looking at this forum and asking why college kids can do these amazing things with their devices, but we as mature, hardworking, overpaid corporate big shots can not figure this **** out. It's absolutely hilarious to me. It's a classic Slippery Slope. They can't figure it out, they "Leak" it out source somehow. The underground dev teams take it and make it great, then these corporate beasts take it back all shinny and new, and then throw the developers into the fire. Screaming "Off with their Heads"! "They've stolen from us"! Last I checked we still live in a country, that is if you're reading this from the USA, that still stands for FREEDOM! SDICKER89 said it best from the DEV forum:
"Should I give in, and be unhappy with my phone as stock 2.2 froyo with tons of bloatware that ill never use and slows down my phone every day? Should i deal with the horribly coded motoblur that slows down my phone more than the bloatware? Maybe i should just go back to a standard style phone and use Boost mobile or something cheap and use use my droid x that I PAID FOR, off network as a multimedia device. That way, "the man" can't tell me what i can and can't do. What is everyone else thinking on this subject? "
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This is MY phone! I worked for the money to buy it! I'm the one trying to figure out why I was having to charge my battery all the time. I'm the one that was wondering why my phone wasn't as amazing as the IPhone, when their specs are so close to each other. It's a damn shame! From the brilliant mind of Bill Hicks (R.I.P) "Go back to bed America"! "You're Free to do as we Tell you"! (Youtube: Bill Hicks - Go back to bed America)
To all of you that serve as a DEV team member - from the amateur to the most experienced! "Hats off to you" !
By the way - I just supported - Liberty 2.0 ROM -
/shrugs
I'm sticking to Liberty, and if they limit my data (and I even notice) I'll just switch. I can pay the etf at any given moment and will.
Screw it. They do anything to mine and I am done with Verizon. Straight Talk here I come.
judasmachine said:
/shrugs
I'm sticking to Liberty, and if they limit my data (and I even notice) I'll just switch. I can pay the etf at any given moment and will.
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Wouldn't they at that point be breaking their own agreement for unlimited data?
eth3rton said:
Screw it. They do anything to mine and I am done with Verizon. Straight Talk here I come.
Wouldn't they at that point be breaking their own agreement for unlimited data?
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Did I not just break it by rooting and ROMing? That's the way I understand it. Maybe I don't fully understand what's going on here.
When I signed up with my Android I signed up for $30 unlimited data and if they are changing the rules for whatever reason they are breaking the contract. In my opinion I should not pay an ETF for something they have caused... some will argue I rooted/tethered but unlimited is unlimited.
You fail to read the fine print just like credit cards. The carrier can change your plan as they like but must offer you options, ie. Grandfather you until your next upgrade or allow you to leave without a penalty. VZW has done nothing illegal, and like said before, if you rooted the phone you broke the agreement with VZW and have no legs to stand on in a court of law and they can do as they please with your data allotment.
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You fail to read the fine print just like credit cards. The carrier can change your plan as they like but must offer you options, ie. Grandfather you until your next upgrade or allow you to leave without a penalty. VZW has done nothing illegal, and like said before, if you rooted the phone you broke the agreement with VZW and have no legs to stand on in a court of law and they can do as they please with your data allotment.
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Rooting/Jailbreaking is actually legal. Apple already tried to do this for the exact same reasons and failed in court.
This is not about the ability to root/modify. They could care less. What they are annoyed about is how people use root. they dont want their service to be stolen.
If verizon allowed the use of "free" tethering with apps such as wireless tether and barnacle, and bumped up the price of data a little (because data is data, whether you are tethering or on youtube) then not only would the community and myself be happy without the whole data throttling thing because of tethering, but the carrier/moto would also be ecstatic because they get a lot of positive PR from one of the most influential parts of their phone community.
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This is not about the ability to root/modify. They could care less. What they are annoyed about is how people use root. they dont want their service to be stolen.
If verizon allowed the use of "free" tethering with apps such as wireless tether and barnacle, and bumped up the price of data a little (because data is data, whether you are tethering or on youtube) then not only would the community and myself be happy without the whole data throttling thing because of tethering, but the carrier/moto would also be ecstatic because they get a lot of positive PR from one of the most influential parts of their phone community.
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And this is clearly unfair for those rooted users who don't abuse their power. I pay for an unlimited plan and yet 95% of the time my phone is connected to WiFi.
This is all hearsay until we have cases of people having their contracts cancelled or whatnot.
Also you have to realize the point of this whole thing. Its not if you root. Vzw is against you tethering without paying for it. Its a service they offer for money. Its not a free service, so don't expect to get it for free without vzw doing something about it. Just because your phone is capable of it, doesn't mean you get it for free!!!! That's like saying, "my phone is capable of phone calls... I should get them for free!!!"
No you shouldn't. You should pay for it just like everyone else. Just like you should pay to have the tethering service.
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Never mind
Mod can you delete this thread, thanks
4ktvs said:
I think verizon needs to be sued for the False ad's of Fastest (Ok) and MOST RELIABLE 4G NETWORK( BS). I have been droping data on 4G every week with verizon, but only one time with S2/AT&T. (Fake 4g, but they have LTE and I have not herd of it droping and NOT WORKING AT ALL.)
Yes or no?
P.S AT&T is starting to get what it needs. (Being sued, now it's the big reds turn.)
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Most reliable can be judged in many ways, its pretty much opinion.
How so and how is %up time an "opinion".
Not trying to make any one mad, but I would like to know.
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How so and how is %up time an "opinion".
Not trying to make any one mad, but I would like to know.
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Reliable could mean no downtime, or more consistant download speeds. More coverage etc..
Downtime: is #1 isuse (Data not working at all)
Consistant: I get any were from my sig to 3-4DL and 2UP. So that #2
Coverage: Ok they win, but to me that does not do a lot of good if 1 and 2 are messed up.
Never had 4g drops. 100% solid service here. In Los Angeles area.
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Good for you then. I know they had 2-3 nation-wide 4g outages in dec.( I was pissed about 2 of them.) I wish I lived in LA, the PD and internet is better there.( Ok the PD part was more about the movies then caring how good it is in real life, but still.)
What 4G phone do you have?
I got the RAZR thinking it had the best 4G LTE built in. ( The G nexus seemed very bad and I know a guy who works there who informed me before it come out)
Here where I live Verizon is pretty damn fast. But why do you need a data connection that fast?
Battery technology needs to improve to power these new devices that eat data. I'm happy with my 14megs on TMobile.
Plus Verizon is over priced. Funny I say that because I just got a part time gig at a Verizon store.
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I think both AT&T and verizon are over priced and I have both and pay about 120 for them.
All I wanted was about 10 that had 99.9% up time now is that so hard big red IS IT.
AT&T Has the 99.9% there, but just about never gets 10. I had no idea t-mobile had good speed like that.
I went in to a verizon store today to see if they could put a new sim in and not only did it take forever, but the guy was being rude and stupid when I asked for help with my data droping. I have about had it with this POS 4G that verizon sell's. I may just take them to court myself, with or with out any one joining in on it.
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I went in to a verizon store today to see if they could put a new sim in and not only did it take forever, but the guy was being rude and stupid when I asked for help with my data droping. I have about had it with this POS 4G that verizon sell's. I may just take them to court myself, with or with out any one joining in on it.
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How many months do you have left on your contract? If you're not happy with their speeds or customer service, why don't you leave? At the worst case, can't you call retentions, tell them whats up and see if they can add extra stuff to your plan? I would figure dropping them would be more cost effective then suing but I don't know if its just American culture to sue whoever for whatever but thats just my opinion.
I have in till 2013 and It would cost me about 350 for ETF. There is no stuff that would make up for there fail. I have never sued before and I know your kind don't like to do that, but I think if your not geting what they put on TV then thats BS.
Every one here loves them to no end and they get a way with what ever. Not any more if I have anything to say about it.
"my kind" just doesn't see the point in suing a billion dollar company over something like this. Mind you doesn't mean I'm right, but I would just move my business elsewhere. Rogers in Canada was raping me so I said fudge it, paid the $300, went to Telus and would recommend them to anyone purely based on customer service. I just don't see much happening if you sue them by yourself, if you had bunch of other people in the suit with you sure, I'm sure your chances would increase. But its not like they are gonna radically change the way they do business over your lawsuit...but I guess it starts with one case at a time...in the end I would just say eff you Verizon and I would peace out and move to another company.
1) I know you must think all of the U.S.A sue every one like the lady sueing the fast food place, but it's not true.
2) I don't want my C rating messed up just because some company can't live up to the ADs they bast on TVS I HAVE TO SEE EVERY TIME I GO OUT ANY WERE WITH TVS.(eating out and so on.)
3) I like Canada and wish we had heath care like yours.
4) I likely will just say "fudge it", because I can pay it till the end any way.
don't get me wrong, I don't think every American sues someone, but there is an over saturation of frivolous lawsuits within the states. Anyways, its really up to you if you want to sue or not, I don't blame you either way and I hope everything works out for you. Power is with the customer, not the carrier so if you're not happy with the service, eff them.
I have an Infuse 4G on ATT. 4G has always been stable and fast for me. I've gotten up to 15mbps download speeds off it.
I live in SoCal if that helps judge the signal/service over here.
I know it is and thats why I say the big red is full of it. Last night I droped data 3 times and fell back to 3g two times. There phone CS is nice, but not so smart. I tryed to tell them what USB is and they keeped on talking about WIFI. Any way I will be geting a new phone by the end of the year.
To all on AT&T: The grass is NOT GREENER ON VERIZON, THE DATA DROPER.
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I think both AT&T and verizon are over priced and I have both and pay about 120 for them.
All I wanted was about 10 that had 99.9% up time now is that so hard big red IS IT.
AT&T Has the 99.9% there, but just about never gets 10. I had no idea t-mobile had good speed like that.
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First of all, you expect 99.9% uptime from a cellular network? That's absurd, especially when carriers oversell in more densely populated/metropolitan areas. You'll never get 99.9% uptime from anything other than a leased landline, and you'll pay a premium for it. AT&T doesn't have that kind of reliability--no carrier does. It seems like you just like to complain for the fun of it, but let me assure you you'll end up farther in the red suing Verizon than you would just taking the ETF and moving to another provider.
oh yea, I have NEVER droped data with AT&T so thats 100% up time. Now I am not saying that it should never fail, but I bet if you out places and droped data 50% of the time even with 3-5bars/5 then you would be mad. It drops data in my home with 3-4bars and about -85dbm. Now perhaps I should have not used 99.9% as uptime, but I kind of think that it shuold not be so hit and miss.
I don't "complain" for fun, becuase I know every thing has it's bug's, fails and so on. I have about 4-7 vid's now showing the some thing. It verys alot and I only film about 1/2 to 1/3 of all the data drops.
I bet you work for them trying to go back on there ads. They are the most aragunt CO I have ever seen and that says alot, becuase apple used to be #1 to me. AT&T is in my top 5, but your CO read verizon is #1. I meen they don't seem to care at all if any one left, becuase 10 more will come in, becuase of all the brain-washing TV ads they run. They are just like apple, but are even more full of it. Oh yea about me being in the red, I should win this case easy in a few weeks when I have made more videos showing how full of it they are. I should have about 20-30 videos or more by them at the rate they drop data. I won't even need a rep, becuase I will do that my self. Plus after the AT&T won his case it should be next to a shoe in.
I will not have a dent on my CR becuase some CO can't give what they basely yell and screem on TV ads and thier stores.
P.S In case you don't work for them, well then I guess you did not get it or just don't like geting what you pay for.
Edit: Well I guess I won pottedplant73. and 99.9% up time= down for about 15min a day every day of every week of every mouth of every year, so I don't think think it's "absurd".
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oh yea, I have NEVER droped data with AT&T so thats 100% up time. Now I am not saying that it should never fail, but I bet if you out places and droped data 50% of the time even with 3-5bars/5 then you would be mad. It drops data in my home with 3-4bars and about -85dbm. Now perhaps I should have not used 99.9% as uptime, but I kind of think that it shuold not be so hit and miss.
I don't "complain" for fun, becuase I know every thing has it's bug's, fails and so on. I have about 4-7 vid's now showing the some thing. It verys alot and I only film about 1/2 to 1/3 of all the data drops.
I bet you work for them trying to go back on there ads. They are the most aragunt CO I have ever seen and that says alot, becuase apple used to be #1 to me. AT&T is in my top 5, but your CO read verizon is #1. I meen they don't seem to care at all if any one left, becuase 10 more will come in, becuase of all the brain-washing TV ads they run. They are just like apple, but are even more full of it. Oh yea about me being in the red, I should win this case easy in a few weeks when I have made more videos showing how full of it they are. I should have about 20-30 videos or more by them at the rate they drop data. I won't even need a rep, becuase I will do that my self. Plus after the AT&T won his case it should be next to a shoe in.
I will not have a dent on my CR becuase some CO can't give what they basely yell and screem on TV ads and thier stores.
P.S In case you don't work for them, well then I guess you did not get it or just don't like geting what you pay for.
Edit: Well I guess I won pottedplant73. and 99.9% up time= down for about 15min a day every day of every week of every mouth of every year, so I don't think think it's "absurd".
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Yeah, you got me--just because I'm pointing out problems with your argument means I work for Verizon. It's all a massive conspiracy against you, obviously. Personally, I'd never bother with Verizon. They're currently the most expensive carrier in the U.S. and that's saying something. People pay absurd prices for tiny amounts of 3G/4G data just because the convenience factor has outweighed the economics of it. When it comes down to it, all the wireless carriers we have suck in one aspect or another. They all gouge, they all engage in deceptive business tactics, they all lie, and they all give you less than you had before, and expect more money. This is what made me decide to go month to month on the cheapest plan I can stand.
I encourage you to sue, though. Or better yet, get a class action lawsuit going. I'd love to see Verizon eat some crow.