Not sure if there is any truth to this, but check out this article from Android Police and judge for yourself:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-day-one-7-tablet-support-bug-fixes-and-more/
looks good, if it is anything like that describe it.
It should make the xoom soooo much better.
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looks good, if it is anything like that describe it.
It should make the xoom soooo much better.
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Really? Because I didn't get that impression at all from the article. The impression I got is that it adds support to smaller devices, qualcom processors and an update to the video editing app. That doesn't really qualify as "soooo much better" in my mind.
It took just a couple mouse clicks and I was able to learn that 3.2 is for the smaller (e.g. 7") screen and 3.1 is for the larger (e.g. 10") screen tablets, beyond that there is no significant difference.
Remember.......Google is your friend.
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I guess if it is true, at least it'd get us closer to the possibility of source code being released since they would have taken care of the smaller tablet size porting issue.
From the ThisIsMyNext post, the main benefit is different res & CPU support (well, QualComm at least). It supposedly also improves "hardware acceleration," which would be a perk for existing Teg2 devices. But apparently, any substantive improvement will come in ICS.
My impression is that HC is a ICS beta, released early so that Android vendors can establish a tablet market this year against the iPad juggernaut. One wonders if that means ICS can at least make Q4, or if it will miss the Xmas shopping season altogether. If it's pushed to 2012, and assuming Win8 beta gets good reception come Sept, Android may have a steeper path to adoption than envisioned.
There is nothing "to die for" in the upgrade...
3.1 wasn't a major upgrade either, but it was still welcomed. As it stands, 3.1 is still a mixed bag, which is born out in lackluster sales. 3.2 reportedly will be in time for back-to-school, and hopefully will make Android tabs presentable enough to be a viable competitor to the iPad.
"As for timing, we’re told that current tablets like the Motorola Xoom will get the update in the “next few weeks,” with new seven-inch tablet hardware to follow in August."
here we go with the term next few weeks...
its going to be next few months again before we even sees it..
Ok - that's great - we don't know what other additions are thrown in to 3.2 but the major thing is support for more processors and smaller sized screens - knowing Google they have probably thrown in heaps of other little minor changes...
like 3.1 which was touted as loads of bugfixes? then throw in that usb host and xbox controller goodness and bluetooth mouse stuff...
let's just wait and see what officially gets announced as 'fixed' or 'upgraded' in the 3.2 announcements...
also is this the first time an Android OS has gone through three (major?) revisions, from 3.0 (-> 3.0.1) -> 3.1 -> 3.2
I think if I recall wasn't Eclair 2.0 and 2.1 ?
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Not sure if there is any truth to this, but...
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This should have been the title of your thread. Or, perhaps more accurately, "I didn't bother to research this because I care much more about being the first to post hearsay than about the validity of my posts."
I think we can assume this is pretty well confirmed, due to the recent announcements of 7 inch Honeycomb tablets by Huawei and Acer. 3.2 seems to be basically a maintenance release aimed at setting up the infrastructure for ICS. Google needed to get the 7 inch tablets on the same version as the 10 inchers so that they can focus on phone integration in ICS.
However the news is not all 7 inch focused. I think hardware acc. improvements is good news for the Xoom and other larger tablets and I am sure there will be general improvements and performance tweaks. I would expect to see other fixes related to the recent movie rental abilities of non-rooted tablets.
While not a world shaking update it will be welcome to US Xoomers, and I for one am already looking acquisitively at the 7 inch Iconia tablets running HC3.2 that Acer has announced.
As for Euro Xoom users, can we hope that Moto decided to just jump 3.1 and focus on a 3.2 Euro update?
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Nah, me neither.
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As for Euro Xoom users, can we hope that Moto decided to just jump 3.1 and focus on a 3.2 Euro update?
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I'm sure that line will be bandied about but I don't know if there's any truth in it. Tbh, I'm sure BRD and the rest of Team Tiamat will have the update ready for us before Moto even think about a Euro release. /sigh.
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This should have been the title of your thread. Or, perhaps more accurately, "I didn't bother to research this because I care much more about being the first to post hearsay than about the validity of my posts."
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Nice contribution to the thread.
I had the A100 on my radar since 10" is too large for my preference, but its announced specs were disappointing. It has half the RAM (512MB vs 1GB), half the storage (8GB vs 16GB), and half the battery capacity (1530mAh vs 3260mAh) of the A500.
http://www.blognotes.in/compare-acer-iconia-tab-a100-vs-iconia-tab-a500/
At USD$350, it's only $50 less than the Asus TF, which for the Acer brand is grossly overpriced. Acer's waffling Android support is also worrying. It's going for the shotgun approach and sees what sticks, releasing a ChromeOS laptop and a Win7 (Iconia W500) tablet at the same time. Yet it has cut its tablet sales projection by 60% for 2011. Not exactly a vote of confidence in Android.
Another downer is that when it comes out in Q3, the Tegra 2 will be close to the end of its short life cycle. And if ICS shows up in Q4, then it's a triple-whammy of outdated hardware & OS, and halfhearted vendor support. Imagine getting a Teg2 in Jul/Aug, and 3 months later, ICS pops out the chute with the quadcores in tow.
I suppose it boils down to whether it serves one's immediate needs. But too many consumers will buy into these things expecting continued support, and disappointment then ensues, as to wit here.
Weirdly enough, I'm actually looking forward to seeing the Vizio 8" specs, as I like the 4:3 format anyway. If it sports 1024x768 with 3.2 and anything other than the Teg2, it's on my short list.
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I had the A100 on my radar since 10" is too large for my preference, but its announced specs were disappointing. It has half the RAM (512MB vs 1GB), half the storage (8GB vs 16GB), and half the battery capacity (1530mAh vs 3260mAh) of the A500.
http://www.blognotes.in/compare-acer-iconia-tab-a100-vs-iconia-tab-a500/
At USD$350, it's only $50 less than the Asus TF, which for the Acer brand is grossly overpriced. Acer's waffling Android support is also worrying. It's going for the shotgun approach and sees what sticks, releasing a ChromeOS laptop and a Win7 (Iconia W500) tablet at the same time. Yet it has cut its tablet sales projection by 60% for 2011. Not exactly a vote of confidence in Android.
Another downer is that when it comes out in Q3, the Tegra 2 will be close to the end of its short life cycle. And if ICS shows up in Q4, then it's a triple-whammy of outdated hardware & OS, and halfhearted vendor support. Imagine getting a Teg2 in Jul/Aug, and 3 months later, ICS pops out the chute with the quadcores in tow.
I suppose it boils down to whether it serves one's immediate needs. But too many consumers will buy into these things expecting continued support, and disappointment then ensues, as to wit here.
Weirdly enough, I'm actually looking forward to seeing the Vizio 8" specs, as I like the 4:3 format anyway. If it sports 1024x768 with 3.2 and anything other than the Teg2, it's on my short list.
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The Vizio is an interesting option...since I really want something in the 7ish size bracket and the Galaxy Tab and HTC Flyer strike me as steps back in terms of OS with 2.2 and 2.3.
As for Huawei....I have too much experience with Huawei's build quality across their overstretched industries to actually pay my own money for their products.
I'm sure the GalTab 7" will be updated for this year, as Samsung is all-in for the Android effort. Ditto HTC. Once 3.2 hits, I think we'll see new products (or updates) from both.
It's the PC vendors like Asus, Dell, and Acer that Android is more of an iffy proposition. They have strong existing relationships with Microsoft, and will likely be Win8 launch partners. If I were in their shoes, I'd be biding my time for Win8--if its schedule doesn't slip of course.
Huawei...reportedly the 7" is going through carrier channels only. Not a mass-market item. It has no presence in the US anyway.
Motorola will probably say they were waiting for the 3.2 release before pushing an update out to the 3.0.1 non-US models....
although you'd start to hope that 3.2 actually comes out with the sdcard fix by now - in a few more months its not going to be worth it with ICS coming out probably with, like the rest of the 3.x tablets, a working sdcard slot
The Xoom will get 3.2 in the "next few weeks".
As for timing, we’re told that current tablets like the Motorola Xoom will get the update in the “next few weeks,” with new seven-inch tablet hardware to follow in August. We’ll also have to wait and see how this will affect the Ice Cream Sandwich rollout — with Android updates coming this fast we’re finding it a bit hard to believe that Google will be able to stick to its upgrade promises, but we’re all for being proven wrong.
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http://thisismynext.com/2011/06/20/...ummer-seven-inch-tablets-qualcomm-processors/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/21/android-3-2-shipping-this-summer-for-7-inch-tablets-huaweis-me/
Hopefully 3.2 includes a fix to email integration with Exchange ActiveSync that got broken in 3.1. If thats all I get out of the 3.2 update, I'll be happy...
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Hopefully the following article is misinformed (I do also have a Tab)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/honeycomb-to-require-dual-core-processor-initially-tablet-only/
Otherwise we'll have to wait for devs to port Honeycomb to our tabs. Which may very well not happen since few of them have SGTs (and given the news flow they may very well pass it...) plus our hardware may be too limited (Underpowered processor, too small screen resolution) and we may very well want to pass on honeycomb too (If it's only for tabs and not for phones, forget about phone functionalities...)
Anyway let's just hope this is not true (Would hate to have to dump my tab only after 3 months of use...)
It's not like SGT becomes somehow inferior just because there's a new version of Android. It is a great device as it is.
All the more reason for me to justify picking up a Tab 2 when it is released
I love my tab as it is, and I see that there are already improvements to be made through updates to FroYo, so I am not really worried because I am satisfied even with my stock tab now.
Same here - I bought an unactivated vzw tab, and it just does everything I need. If there's a Tab 2 with Honeycomb, I'll look at it, but with my other android devices, the dev community seems to produce better functionality than the vendors do, and I can hopefully skip all the vendor-installed crap with a clean image when that time arrives.
R.I.P.
These are really bad news for us owners.
Maybe I'll switch to iOS devices then. They're running so much smoother compared to android 2.X devices...
We won't see how good the tab with its powervr 540 graphics would perform with proper hardwareacceleration honeycomb will provide.
And that, ladies and gentlemen is why we're all here on XDA......
The way things are looking, unless Google is planning on HC being a tablet only OS, there will be a basic HC OS for phones and an extra feature set that's unlocked for tablets with dual core procs and 1280 X 720 screens. What may happen is that the 7" tablet will essentially be an oversized phone with XDA hacking it so you can use the tablet features on the 7" tablets.
As a Galaxy Tab owner I'm not really that butthurt by this because I can envision having a camera phone and 7" tablet as mobile devices and a wifi only 12" tablet for home use. If the HC tablet features truly require a larger screen, then I'm content with a 7" tablet that more of a mobile device.
I am a big fan of the 16:9 screen dimension. Better for movies and better for mutli-pane implementation.
The worry I have is this will just cut the spread of SGT buyers. If we end up with a device not very popular and with a small customer/devs base you can forget about any dream of good custom roms or app developments
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HTC is rumored to be releasing a 7" tablet, and the SGT has sold millions in a short amount of time. Unlike the iPhone, there was no carrier based reason to purchase the SGT over the iPad, but people did, in large part due to the form factor. I suspect that the 7" tab will not go away.
LOL, Any body want to sell their antiquated Galaxy Tab?
I've been looking to get one on AT&T or T-Mo... a trade for a mint 16GB iPhone4 perhaps???
FUD
There are no mins for Gingerbread, and IF there are any for Honeycomb, the community devs will pull apart what is a good update for the GTab and cook it up.
Honestly if you are worried, start a fund to get a tab into more dev hands...
lets not forget these are claims and have not been officialy confirmed by Google themselves yet... we still have hope. i don't think Samsung will just abandon us like this. they will probably be expecting to release their next sucessor to the tab in september. honeycomb will come out before then, and hopefully the update will be pushed out to us. the gtab was made in mind to be upgradable to Honeycomb. much like the HD2 was made to be upgradable to WP7... but that never happened.
only time will tell if we get the update.
lets not forget these are claims and have not been officialy confirmed by Google themselves yet... we still have hope. i don't think Samsung will just abandon us like this. they will probably be expecting to release their next sucessor to the tab in september. honeycomb will come out before then, and hopefully the update will be pushed out to us. the gtab was made in mind to be upgradable to Honeycomb. much like the HD2 was made to be upgradable to WP7... but that never happened.
only time will tell if we get the update.
Eh...it's only bad news if you don't like your Tab the way it is now. So it's not bad news for me, it's just more news.
What is bad is how all of a sudden there are so many deals for people to get these Galaxy Tabs. That had dramaticly reduced the cost. My guess that are getting rid of invintory. And it seems this is going on before CES. Just my view
What deals? That $100 Verizon price drop? Good luck finding a Verizon store that will sell one for $500 no-contract, it's a rumor and not official, at least not yet.
The T-Mobile $349 on a 2-year? That's not a price reduction, it's a little lubrication for the contract buttsecks. The Best Buy and Amazon sales? Short term holiday traffic generators. The UK/Euro price drops? Those were adjustments to bring the device in line with US pricing once the North American Tabs were released.
Lets not forget economy of scale, the more they make and sell, the cheaper each individual unit becomes to produce, and they can (and often do) lower prices over the life of a product to reflect this.
As for Honeycomb, Asus just announced a 7" Honeycomb tablet with 1024x600 resolution, so that part of the specs rumor is busted right away.
And any way you slice it, we're looking at March at the very least for a Honeycomb tablet explosion*. That's six months after the Tab launched. That's six months of awesome Tab usage before you should start to get the urge to replace it.
The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
*The Motorola tablet may launch before then, but frankly, I don't give a DAMN about the Motorola tablet, because it's a 10" device and I don't want one of those.
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The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
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i am with u but u need money to burn
Croak said:
The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
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No truer words have been spoken.
You can play the waiting game forever. By the time the Honeycomb tablets are finally in the wild, the next generation tablet hardware / software will already be announced. At some point you just got to buy.
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I just got a tablet running Samsung S5PV210 and I do hope it would be upgrade to honeycomb. The tablet run Android 2.2 OS currently, and its hardware specs. as following on the site where I picked up.
I'm going to contact with the vendor and ask for certain upgrade info.
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As for Honeycomb, Asus just announced a 7" Honeycomb tablet with 1024x600 resolution, so that part of the specs rumor is busted right away.
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I also believe that one of the announced Asus tablets with Honeycomb also has a 1Ghz snapdragon so that busts the Dual Core requirement too.
I'm curious as to what other potential buyers here on XDA plan to do with the Xoom and why they want it. Maybe we can discover new uses through other people?
HD recording and playback will be awesome. I've never owned a webcam, so the Xoom's cam on the front will be fun. I'm very excited for Honeycomb itself, the revamped apps should be really cool! Besides all that, I really like the Xoom's exterior and formfactor compared to some other tablets. The Notion Ink Adam has similar specs, but I simply don't like how it looks. Also, the imposed UI doesn't appeal to me personality.
As far as usage, being a musician, I want to put in all my sheet music/real books to have with me on the gig and for personal practice. Having to print off sheet music and also having to lug everything around isn't very convenient. With the Xoom, I'll have lots of music accessible with just a few clicks! Also, I've gotten quite a few eBooks recently that will be more comfortably read on the Xoom rather than my laptop or my tiny Eris (3.2" screen!)
Ok, I thought this was going to be more about "why Xoom and not another tablet", but reading your post, it sounds more like "what will you do with a tablet". Anyway, why I like the Xoom over other Andro-tablets is the stock Android Honeycomb experience paired with usually reliable Moto hardware. Other tablets are making waves and could steal my vote though, such as the upcoming Toshiba and HTC ones... All high end tablets are likely to feature Android 3.0, dual-core processors, 1Gb RAM, two cameras, 720p recording/1080p playback, HDMI and USB ports, and the usual WiFi and Bluetooth, so the price (and availability in Canada, for me!) will play a big part.
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Ok, I thought this was going to be more about "why Xoom and not another tablet", but reading your post, it sounds more like "what will you do with a tablet". Anyway, why I like the Xoom over other Andro-tablets is the stock Android Honeycomb experience paired with usually reliable Moto hardware. Other tablets are making waves and could steal my vote though, such as the upcoming Toshiba and HTC ones... All high end tablets are likely to feature Android 3.0, dual-core processors, 1Gb RAM, two cameras, 720p recording/1080p playback, HDMI and USB ports, and the usual WiFi and Bluetooth, so the price (and availability in Canada, for me!) will play a big part.
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I edited my first post adequately, thanks! I should have reworded the title.
Yeah, I am curious to see what HTC will come up with, though I really want a tablet now! Motorola has been reliable and blur won't be integrated in, so it should be a great device. However, if the Xoom's pricing is too high I'll probably just wait for a wifi-only device. By that time, there will probably be more info from HTC since leaks from them are common.
Hopefully it'll be available in Canada for you!
will regular android applications work on honeycomb? my main requirement is to use medical programs on android and it s currently running on my fascinate/galaxy tab/ipad.
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will regular android applications work on honeycomb? my main requirement is to use medical programs on android and it s currently running on my fascinate/galaxy tab/ipad.
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From what I know, If they work on your Galaxy Tab they'll work on the Xoom. As you're probably aware of, some apps aren't coded to run on a screen size bigger than a phones, so like in your Tab, they will have be scaled. Honeycomb might compensate somehow though!
As Honeycomb begins to settle, more and more developers will begin to adjust their apps to at least scale to the Xoom's size if not make full use it's screen res.
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I edited my first post adequately, thanks! I should have reworded the title.
Yeah, I am curious to see what HTC will come up with, though I really want a tablet now! Motorola has been reliable and blur won't be integrated in, so it should be a great device. However, if the Xoom's pricing is too high I'll probably just wait for a wifi-only device. By that time, there will probably be more info from HTC since leaks from them are common.
Hopefully it'll be available in Canada for you!
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I am curious just to see what HTC has to offer but I'm pretty sure i want the full Google experience and no sense ui so I definitely want the zoom over any HTC product right now.also HTC needs to start using better processors and screens
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I am curious just to see what HTC has to offer but I'm pretty sure i want the full Google experience and no sense ui so I definitely want the zoom over any HTC product right now.also HTC needs to start using better processors and screens
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And HTC should work on faster OS updates. I'm sticking with the Xoom unless it's too pricey...but even then I'll wait until I can afford it/prices lower! I hope the bootloader isn't locked...
I want it because I actually don't think it's too pricey (assuming 700 is what we're looking at). I'm in the market for a laptop replacement, and with an Android phone and a newly built desktop at home, I just don't need a full blown laptop replacement, especially if I can just remote into my desktop on said tablet. The (likely) dealbreaker for me is a locked bootloader. Has anyone seen any information on the bootloader?
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From what I know, If they work on your Galaxy Tab they'll work on the Xoom. As you're probably aware of, some apps aren't coded to run on a screen size bigger than a phones, so like in your Tab, they will have be scaled. Honeycomb might compensate somehow though!
As Honeycomb begins to settle, more and more developers will begin to adjust their apps to at least scale to the Xoom's size if not make full use it's screen res.
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Thanks, ma42091, for the input. The xoom will be an awesome tablet. Motorola has really step up in terms of top notch specs and design. The competion is really challenging htc and th they have a rumor tablet coming too.
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I want it because I actually don't think it's too pricey (assuming 700 is what we're looking at). I'm in the market for a laptop replacement, and with an Android phone and a newly built desktop at home, I just don't need a full blown laptop replacement, especially if I can just remote into my desktop on said tablet. The (likely) dealbreaker for me is a locked bootloader. Has anyone seen any information on the bootloader?
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It's not too much from what a high-end smartphone costs off-contract now in reality. Though, for a poor college student...
As far as the bootloader, there's no info yet. This is Motorola's latest statement:
We are working closely with our partners to offer a bootloader solution that will enable developers to use our devices as a development platform while still protecting our users' interests. More detailed information will follow as we get closer to availability.
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We'll have to see if anything new info leaks by the Xoom's release, hopefully it'll be unlocked.
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Thanks, ma42091, for the input. The xoom will be an awesome tablet. Motorola has really step up in terms of top notch specs and design. The competion is really challenging htc and th they have a rumor tablet coming too.
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You're welcome. I agree, Motorola has set high standards. Info on one of HTC's tablets is out already: Leak: Topaz Specs (Gizmodo)
The Xoom still looks better!
The Topaz is not an HTC tablet, its an HP WebOS one.
Edit: And now that I hink about it, I honestly do not believe Motorola set the bar high. There are several other tablets running stock Android 3.0 with Tegra 2 processors that are "promised" to be released this year. The few things that seperates this tablet from the others is it being on Verizon, and it being Google's lead Honeycomb device. Heck, in terms of specifications that yet-to-be named Toshiba tablet is already equal to or better than the Xoom, not including the Barometer. The Xoom is not at all a hard device to beat. Especially not in design (my favorite area).
I truly believe the only reason this will be so big is because of Verizon's power. Some say that they made Android what it is today because of the Droid line. With Verizon behind it this tablet will be successful. A very good competitor to the iPad.
Actually the Toshiba tab has only been said to be a tegra 2 processor, they havent given the full specs yet. Also you have to worry about updates, the 1st Droid on vzw because of stock android got all the Google updates before most devices on the market except the nexus. I'm pretty sure this pad will be getting updates long before any other pads out there
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Actually the Toshiba tab has only been said to be a tegra 2 processor, they havent given the full specs yet. Also you have to worry about updates, the 1st Droid on vzw because of stock android got all the Google updates before most devices on the market except the nexus. I'm pretty sure this pad will be getting updates long before any other pads out there
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Go here for the Toshiba tablet specs:
http://www.thetoshibatablet.com/
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Actually the Toshiba tab has only been said to be a tegra 2 processor, they havent given the full specs yet. Also you have to worry about updates, the 1st Droid on vzw because of stock android got all the Google updates before most devices on the market except the nexus. I'm pretty sure this pad will be getting updates long before any other pads out there
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Most if not all of the specs for the Toshiba Tab have been released on it's website: www.thetoshibatablet.com. And yes, I did take the update situation into consideration with my previous post. Hence the "because it is Google's lead device.."
Seems like a nice pad but I couldn't figure out how much memory it comes with? I plan on using about 25gbs just for music, I never plan on hooking this (or my sd card)to my desktop for music again. Also I don't see myself ever buying a Toshiba product, I would prefer LG slate over this but that's just me. If this pad has 32gb on board memory the only reason it will be cheaper is because of no 3g an obviously its Toshiba. Another thing don't drop it, it's not made with the gorilla glass so bumps and drops can crack the screen easily
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I have T-Mobile so I actually did take the LG-G Slate into consideration, but with an 8.9" screen I said never mind. Also, I'm sure Toshiba's tab will be "decent". Judging from photos, and small previews, people seem ok with the device so far.
Galaxy Tab running Honeycomb with a Super AMOLED display and LTE radio is my dream tablet. The Xoom and all the new tabs look amazing but after extensive use of the Galaxy Tab and the iPad in various situations, I find the iPad and soon to be Xoom sized tabs to be just slighty cumbersome on the whole. Though let me reitterate the 'on the whole' part because there certainly were circumstances where the extra real estate of the 10 inch tab was definately prefered. Anyone else have a similar or differing experience?
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The Topaz is not an HTC tablet, its an HP WebOS one.
Edit: And now that I hink about it, I honestly do not believe Motorola set the bar high. There are several other tablets running stock Android 3.0 with Tegra 2 processors that are "promised" to be released this year. The few things that seperates this tablet from the others is it being on Verizon, and it being Google's lead Honeycomb device. Heck, in terms of specifications that yet-to-be named Toshiba tablet is already equal to or better than the Xoom, not including the Barometer. The Xoom is not at all a hard device to beat. Especially not in design (my favorite area).
I truly believe the only reason this will be so big is because of Verizon's power. Some say that they made Android what it is today because of the Droid line. With Verizon behind it this tablet will be successful. A very good competitor to the iPad.
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Argh, don't know why I thought it was HTC!
I had not seen specs for the Toshiba tablet until this morning. Looks pretty good. Looking at that, It does make the Xoom look like it's not hard to beat. As you said, the Xoom will be successful because it's the first Honeycomb tablet and it'll be under Verizon. Motorola has hinted at a Wifi-only and different sizes (7" variant?) as well, which will help later on in the year.
However, there's always something coming that's better with mobile devices. I want a tablet now, the Xoom is what I'm going to get!
Besides, even if it does become overshadowed by over tablets this year, I won't mind--I'm still rockin' a HTC Droid Eris proudly!
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Galaxy Tab running Honeycomb with a Super AMOLED display and LTE radio is my dream tablet. The Xoom and all the new tabs look amazing but after extensive use of the Galaxy Tab and the iPad in various situations, I find the iPad and soon to be Xoom sized tabs to be just slighty cumbersome on the whole. Though let me reitterate the 'on the whole' part because there certainly were circumstances where the extra real estate of the 10 inch tab was definately prefered. Anyone else have a similar or differing experience?
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There's supposed to be a Galaxy Tab 2, wonder what that will have in store. Motorola has hinted at releasing different sizes of the Xoom later on too. I personally want the larger screen size though for pdfs, documents, movies, etc
Played with the xoom today, I will be getting one. And yes the software is done and doesn't crash. I can't wait for this device. It is alot heavier then you expect but is soooooo sexy
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Verified not true by NVIDIA.
hope it's not delayed too long (or at all). google should have been working with them all along to get ics out there and now they're going to pull this crap at the last minute? i'm fairly sure most of us would rather it release with honeycomb sooner and deal with an update later. we'll see what happens on the 9th.
If it still hit christmas, I think it's the smartest move to make.
First reviews are critical for a product commercial succes and releasing the Prime with Honeycomb instead of the more polished ICS could really hurts it. Even if it's updated 2 week after, demonstration products in store will likely stay with honeycomb for a while making it just a prettier and maybe smoother version of every other tablet already on the market.
Asus wants to make this right, Google wants to make this right, if they do, we ll have the Nexus Prime we were waiting for, except it won't be a phone.
Well, a release date wasn't even set yet so in that way it isn't delayed either... But I rather have it they just release it and update it quickly then wait with release.
I can imagine the same goes for asus, earlier release means more sales (simply because of specs) regardless of ICS. As long as they are the first to get it on their tablet they should be fine. It's not as if they loose sales to other ICS tablets when they release it sooner.
@kokusho: And now reading your comment... that's fair enough and true indeed.
I guess it's a good decision. No one apart from Asus has said a word about a quad-core or ICS (only updates to available models). With this move, Asus will be the first to release a quad-core tablet or an ICS one.. and it's doing both at the same time!! This will have some great atention from the media, and I'm sure asus will benefit agains others from that.
Yeah, I agree this was probably the best move for both Google and ASUS, but now I will probably have issues getting one. I'm in the States for another week or so before going back to Germany, and if the Jan 6 EU date is true then my Christmas has been ruined
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Yeah, I agree this was probably the best move for both Google and ASUS, but now I will probably have issues getting one. I'm in the States for another week or so before going back to Germany, and if the Jan 6 EU date is true then my Christmas has been ruined
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why would it be the best move? you are expecting it to be developed/tested/released within a month on the Prime. It is going to be glitches galore and then they are going to have to do another patch for ICS. By that time, people will be upset that they got such a bad experience with ICS that they will jump ship.
Ship with what you know works (honeycomb) then do a later upgrade to ICS. its the hardware that people wants and a decently stable software. People don't complain about "upgrades" but people will complain about "delays".
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why would it be the best move? you are expecting it to be developed/tested/released within a month on the Prime. It is going to be glitches galore and then they are going to have to do another patch for ICS. By that time, people will be upset that they got such a bad experience with ICS that they will jump ship.
Ship with what you know works (honeycomb) then do a later upgrade to ICS. its the hardware that people wants and a decently stable software. People don't complain about "upgrades" but people will complain about "delays".
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True, but with Google working so closely with ASUS, maybe they'll get it done well enough for a stable release. And ultimately, I'm happy to see the Prime become the marquee ICS tablet.
Assuming this report is true, of course.
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hope it's not delayed too long (or at all). google should have been working with them all along to get ics out there and now they're going to pull this crap at the last minute? i'm fairly sure most of us would rather it release with honeycomb sooner and deal with an update later. we'll see what happens on the 9th.
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It's no secret that samsung has been google's star all this time. I've been saying that's a mistake since the beginning. Looks like google has finally realized this was a huge mistake for ignoring asus all this time.
It's not just google that's been ignoring the asus transformer. Mainstream media rarely mentions it as well. As a matter of fact, even though the transformer sold a lot better than the galaxy tab 10.1, the transformer made it to the list of tablets that should have died along with the HP touchpad and the galaxy tab didn't get on that list. The tech media bias against the transformer is astounding.
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It's no secret that samsung has been google's star all this time. I've been saying that's a mistake since the beginning. Looks like google has finally realized this was a huge mistake for ignoring asus all this time.
It's not just google that's been ignoring the asus transformer. Mainstream media rarely mentions it as well. As a matter of fact, even though the transformer sold a lot better than the galaxy tab 10.1, the transformer made it to the list of tablets that should have died along with the HP touchpad and the galaxy tab didn't get on that list. The tech media bias against the transformer is astounding.
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i don't understand what the tech media gains from not giving props to the TF. but now that you mention it, you are right. we dont' hear a lot about ASUS anywhere.
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why would it be the best move? you are expecting it to be developed/tested/released within a month on the Prime. It is going to be glitches galore and then they are going to have to do another patch for ICS. By that time, people will be upset that they got such a bad experience with ICS that they will jump ship.
Ship with what you know works (honeycomb) then do a later upgrade to ICS. its the hardware that people wants and a decently stable software. People don't complain about "upgrades" but people will complain about "delays".
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I tend to agree with this. This move could actually backfire for Asus. The current state of HC isn't all that different from ICS, from a GUI / basic functionality standpoint, and certainly isn't going to be a major differentiator to the avg. Joe. Give John Doe a Prime w/ HC and a Prime w/ ICS and he isn't going to notice much of a difference in average use. It's only the tech heads who are going to gush over the OS upgrade.
Trying to hammer out an ICS build and load it onto the Prime just before launch does smell like a potential disaster. New versions of any OS always come w/ a punchlist of bugs, some of which might turn people away. I think Asus should have gone the conservative route in this case.
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Trying to hammer out an ICS build and load it onto the Prime just before launch does smell like a potential disaster. New versions of any OS always come w/ a punchlist of bugs, some of which might turn people away. I think Asus should have gone the conservative route in this case.
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What is wrong about teaming up with Google to finish a final build of ICS for the launch of the Transformer? It isn't like ASUS is taking the source and doing what they want with it, Google is actually sending their own engineers and developers in to ASUS to help work out the bugs or any issues. If anything, this means Asus and Google are serious about making all 4.0 devices the best they can be.
However, this is a Digitimes article and I take it with a grain of salt. Everyone else should, too. They have been wrong many many times.
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i don't understand what the tech media gains from not giving props to the TF. but now that you mention it, you are right. we dont' hear a lot about ASUS anywhere.
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The tech media, IMHO, is composed almost entirely of ifanboys. They like to focus on android tablets that are a disaster, like the moto xoom. It was a tablet that was almost twice the weight, twice the thickness, and twice the price as the ipad 2, and tech media loved to bring it up over and over.
The galaxy tab 10.1 looks almost identical as the ipad2, and the tech media loves to bring it up as an example of a copycat of the ipad 2.
On the other hand, the transformer is an original product. It's the only tablet out there that has the potential to be productive as well as fun and games. Sales wise, it's doing far better than all the other android tablets. And there is no other company that rolls out this many updates in such a short time that responds to people's needs.
Remember the dock battery drain when it first came out? Asus very quickly came up with a fix and even offered to change out the chipset for free. Every subsequent update has been a direct response to people's complaints and criticisms. I really can't think of any other company that is this responsive to user experience and this supportive after they made the sale.
And yet tech media tend to ignore this technological marvel.
Either the tech media man up and admit they are largely ifanboys or give the asus transformer a fair chance.
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What is wrong about teaming up with Google to finish a final build of ICS for the launch of the Transformer? It isn't like ASUS is taking the source and doing what they want with it, Google is actually sending their own engineers and developers in to ASUS to help work out the bugs or any issues. If anything, this means Asus and Google are serious about making all 4.0 devices the best they can be.
However, this is a Digitimes article and I take it with a grain of salt. Everyone else should, too. They have been wrong many many times.
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there isn't anything wrong with teaming up with google to get this done. that to me is a positive. the negative is that they are forcing these people to get it done in a month, test it out and then load it in ALL the TF2s for shipping. that is such a short time frame that people are bound to make mistakes. you rush development on something as important as the OS, you are looking for trouble. you end up with patches after patches of fixes and by that time people get frustrated. They do not need to rush the ICS release. They can release the TF2 with honeycomb and then upgrade to ICS when they are ready..perhaps early next year.
but i guess we'll see what they say tomorrow.
As I think more about it, what amazes me the most is that we're taking a Digitimes rumor this seriously.
I wouldn't think of this as a false rumor. Think about it! The TF2 is the only quad-core Android tablet with a release date of 2011. Asus did an excellent job with their first Android device by supporting it FAR better than any other OEM as well.
Google needs a flagship ICS tablet on its release and the Prime is the only Quad core tablet available. Even if Google hates Asus, they have to choose them.
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I wouldn't think of this as a false rumor. Think about it! The TF2 is the only quad-core Android tablet with a release date of 2011. Asus did an excellent job with their first Android device by supporting it FAR better than any other OEM as well.
Google needs a flagship ICS tablet on its release and the Prime is the only Quad core tablet available. Even if Google hates Asus, they have to choose them.
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Still a rumor. Besides Nov. 9 was never the release date just an official product launch event. I always suspected it would be late Nov. early Dec. release.
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Still a rumor. Besides Nov. 9 was never the release date just an official product launch event. I always suspected it would be late Nov. early Dec. release.
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Right. In another thread, someone said that the release date is being pushed back. However, what we really have is a rumor about a change to a rumored release date...
we'll know in less than 24 hrs! speaking of which, when is the "launch" conference and where is it going to be?
no one knows/cares
I have the Xoom right now and love it. However, I'm attracted to the size and weight of the XYKeyboard. I want 4.0 as soon as possible and LTE doesn't mean anything to me.
I have the option to switch out my Xoom for the XYKeyboard when it comes out, but don't know if I should. Is there any other tablet coming out that I should maybe be waiting for. No, not an iPad. And I've already heard the battery on the Transformer Prime is crap.
I definitely don't want to get the XY and find out the ICS is going to take longer.
Thoughts?
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And I've already heard the battery on the Transformer Prime is crap.
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First I've heard of that. The only thing that came close was one reviewer's website who got a faulty unit... when it was exchanged he got 2+ more hours of battery and lasted a good 11 hours. 11 hours isn't crap to me... not to mention the ability to carry around a spare battery in the dock to give it 18+.
Xyboard doesn't ship with ICS. No tablet shipping before the new year is. The Xyboard is only a little bit faster than the original Xoom. It's not worth upgrading. If you want a new tablet, get the Transformer Prime. It's a tad bit more expensive but the hardware in it blows the Xyboard out of the way. If that isn't enough to sway you, consider this: Xyboard is the stupidest name for a gadget I have ever heard.
I should also point out that the Xoom will probably get an ICS ROM before the Xyboard gets updated.
honestly the xooms specs are fine if i were you'd id avoid spending the money on a whole new tablet and wait at least another year or so. Also quad core? what are you possibly going to be running that needs a quad core lol dual core is fast enough for android
The XY thingy is a joke & a slap in the face to xoom original owners. I have a Asus transformer prime on pre-order.Motorola has lost my business.
I'm a happy Xoom owner also passing on the xyboard. The tablet just doesn't justify the $800 cost (32gB w/o contract) and although dual core is probably enough for me, that doesn't mean I'm going to pay a premium for it and forget quad core is going to be released soon. No microSD, although not critical, is something I'd expect. This is like a middle of the road tablet with a super premium price. Verizon and Motorola must think there are a lot of people willing to pay to have the embedded LTE modem.
I really don't need a new tablet right now so I can wait. For a new buyer, a Xoom or Transformer is a much better bang for your buck. Samsung and Sony have come out with press releases on their next Andriod tablets to be announced in February and at CES (Jan 10th); that doesn't mean they'll be shipping, but I'm not in a rush to buy.
With Apple, many people just buy out of brand loyalty or wanting an Apple device. Motorola releases this device as if its brand loyalty is as strong as Apple. I like Motorola products but this is just a complete disappointment from the specifications to the price. No wonder they aren't seeding media with demo units for testing/reviews. I haven't seen one in depth review; compare that to the Transformer Prime which is seems everyone has except me.
I tried the XY a few days ago (Xoom 2 in the UK) and honestly it is barely an upgrade. The Thinness and weight is nice but it actually felt a little slower than my Xoom, though that's probably because I have mine over clocked. Also the Xoom will get ICS first, the XY is not stock Honeycomb, the changes are little but noticeable and in my opinion make it look a little tacky compared with the Xoom.
Also those weird corners I'll admit feel comfortable and more natural in portrait mode but in landscape I didn't really like the feel, the edges felt sharper and unnatural.
If I were you I would either stick with the Xoom or if you really want an upgrade go for the Transformer Prime, that thing is a beast and when you compare the prices there is really no comparison between the two.
From what I've seen, the Xoom has the same processor as the XYboard(I'll link it when I can find it) just overclocked. If the XYboard will cost you nothing, heck ya! Do it! SOmething I have noticed between the newest of moto's products is a delayed time in unlocking a bootloader. So if custom Roms and kernals are your thing, I'd say wait a bit until an unlock is confirmed. Having an unlocked bootloader means that with the great dev here, we'll see ICS on the Xoom before the Xyboard.
overclock your xoom then wait for a quad core, personally I think ics underlying core won't be to much of a improvement over honeycomb, a few improvements and new theme, but not to much to get overly excited about.
but maybe I am trying to avoid getting let down lol
ill see what GED tablet comes out after IO at the end of June. My xooms not even a year old yet
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From what I've seen, the Xoom has the same processor as the XYboard(I'll link it when I can find it) just overclocked. If the XYboard will cost you nothing, heck ya! Do it! SOmething I have noticed between the newest of moto's products is a delayed time in unlocking a bootloader. So if custom Roms and kernals are your thing, I'd say wait a bit until an unlock is confirmed. Having an unlocked bootloader means that with the great dev here, we'll see ICS on the Xoom before the Xyboard.
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The original Xoom is using a Tegra 2 Processor.
The Xyboard is using a Texas Instrument OMAP4 processor.
And I think Motorola WANTS to upgrade the Xyboard first to ICS but it would be a pain, cause Xyboard is running Motorola Blur so they have a lot of editing to do.
Whereas Xoom is straight up original Android with no modifications, so will be easier to slap ICS on there!
Just wait longer. The xoom is not yet outdated, so the only real difference in the XY would be its profile.
Dispatched at the speed of light from my XOOM
Im thinking hold off for a bit before you buy the XY which is more or less the same as the Xoom.
I say this because I honestly see Xoom getting ICS before XY.
I'll probably never understand the thought process behind a name like XYBoard as Xoom 2 sounds MUCH better. On that note I'm disappointed with the Xoom 2 from a spec sheet perspective. It doesn't offer much of an incentive to "upgrade" to it from my original Xoom. That being said, the Transformer Prime is a true upgrade based on it having that Tegra 3 processor . Someone mentioned that a dual-core processor is fine for Android and I agree: it is perfectly fine for Android...for now. A quad-core tablet is more future-proof, IMHO.
Now, synthetic benchmarks don't mean everything, but it's interesting that the XYBoard 10.1 benchmarks as well as the Transformer Prime in Quadrant, Linpack and Sunspider in our tests.
There's no full blown Motoblur UI on the 10.1 (US shipping model). It's pretty vanilla Android with a handful of Moto and Verizon apps thrown in.
The much improved form factor (let's face it, super-thin and light are popular) is a big mass market improvement over the Xoom. Note, I said mass market, I know some of you guys and gals don't care so much. But it's as thin and light as the iPad 2 and Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, and they seem to be the sweet spot with consumers. Likewise the Transformer is uber thin too.
The IPS display is a huge improvement. The one thing I truly hated about my Xoom was the washed out LCD vs. the Transformer/Tab 10.1/iPad 2. It's colorful and much brighter.
I did a 22 minute in-depth video review of the XYBoard 10.1 if anyone is interested:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=41820
(and yes, I didn't pronounce it correctly in the review, it rhymes with "cyborg" )
pdagal said:
I did a 22 minute in-depth video review of the XYBoard 10.1 if anyone is interested:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=41820
(and yes, I didn't pronounce it correctly in the review, it rhymes with "cyborg" )
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I noticed your review stated Motorola is owned by Google and referred the Xyboard as a GED, but that's not true. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet... And I wouldn't count it a GED since it's got the bloatware on it as well.
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honestly the xooms specs are fine if i were you'd id avoid spending the money on a whole new tablet and wait at least another year or so. Also quad core? what are you possibly going to be running that needs a quad core lol dual core is fast enough for android
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The Xoom specs are fine, but with an attitude like yours towards newer more powerful stuff will only hold innovation back. Rather than saying "we don't need it" we should be saying "lets find something awesome to do with it!"
When the laser was invented people thought it was useless and that nobody would ever need one.
My Verizon Xoom had bloatware loaded too (not much since Honeycomb was a day old when the Xoom was released, and these were not apps I minded-- games and Verizon data manager/account manager). All products offered by carriers have some apps added or mods made (look at the VZW Galaxy Nexus with Google NFC removed). But the OS on the XYBoard looks pretty clean to me-- no Motoblur (OK, the browser icon is squared off), no custom settings beyond the dock setting, only the base Honeycomb widgets, no social networking integration typical of Motoblur, and not even a file manager to play with USB files and no NTFS support is added. I don't see much here that will stand in the way of prompt OS updates. The Asus Eee Pad Transformer has more OS customizations, and Asus manages to get OS updates out very quickly.
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I noticed your review stated Motorola is owned by Google and referred the Xyboard as a GED, but that's not true. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet... And I wouldn't count it a GED since it's got the bloatware on it as well.
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...... no custom settings beyond the dock setting, only the base Honeycomb widgets, no social networking integration typical of Motoblur, and not even a file manager to play with USB files and no NTFS support is added. I don't see much here that will stand in the way of prompt OS updates. The Asus Eee Pad Transformer has more OS customizations, and Asus manages to get OS updates out very quickly.
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Nice review ... from what i understand if you want a biger files than 4gb you will have to format your disk ? what formats android native supports ? most of my usb flash drives are formatted with ext4 ...
Is there any good video player that support mkv 1080 p with this tablet ?
Since it's a Linux format, I'd guess that ext4 would work (I don't have a drive formatted ext4 to test though). FAT32 works, but that's not much help for very large capacity drives.
I usually look at all the tablets at electronic stores and the last 1-2 weeks I have not seen 1 on display.
Fry's no longer have them on display. Staples and HH Gregg used to have a power display and neither are displaying them also.
Wonder if Acer is just getting ready for the next versions.
I would guess they are clearing them out in hopes of replacing them with ICS versions.
Just my guess, but a lot, I mean a LOT of tablets are at 'fire sale' prices.
Then you got tablets like the Kindle Fire out there that are really cheap.
Now for a look into my Crystal ball, I see data moving to the Cloud. Tablets getting cheaper and cheaper. Apps and the Cloud growing to the point hardware is irrelevant. Tablets will become disposable just like a disposable camera, what's import is the apps and data are on the Cloud.
Now; fast forward 10 years. Everyone will have a data profile that is their personal space. This personal space, is maintained in cyberspace (the cloud or call it skynet ). The Cloud is world wide and can be accessed from just about anywhere on the planet using wireless G5 (huge fast bandwidth). Your phone, your car, your PC, your tablet, your TV all are just vehicles to access your personal cloud. You loose your phone or drop it in the toilet, no big deal. You just turn on your TV and all your data is there, even the email you were in the process of typing when your phone fell in the toilet.
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Nice. I hope it's not G5 but instead WiDi or WiMax that takes over. No more phone numbers, data/text caps, and convert voice to voip. Oh and free would be nice too.
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I usually look at all the tablets at electronic stores and the last 1-2 weeks I have not seen 1 on display.
Fry's no longer have them on display. Staples and HH Gregg used to have a power display and neither are displaying them also.
Wonder if Acer is just getting ready for the next versions.
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I was in 2 best buys today they are all sold out. Crazy.
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Definitely a firesale going on, as tablets move to ICS.
The A500 might also be moving away to be replaced by the equivalent A200.
To give you an idea of the value some stores are giving, I've just ordered my A500, which was the 64GB Unit, for $399 CAN. Which is crazy considering a few weeks ago you'd be paying that for the 8GB or 16GB models.
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Definitely a firesale going on, as tablets move to ICS.
The A500 might also be moving away to be replaced by the equivalent A200.
To give you an idea of the value some stores are giving, I've just ordered my A500, which was the 64GB Unit, for $399 CAN. Which is crazy considering a few weeks ago you'd be paying that for the 8GB or 16GB models.
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Seems to be the trend. Everyone is gearing up new models for ICS and some are offering them with HC saying ICS ready.
However, I caution everyone on ICS. The architecture is totally different and early hardware along with older hardware will have issues. Does anyone remember buying a computer that had Windows 3.1 but was Windows 98 compatible? Or a Windows 98 computer that was Windows XP compatible? These usually don't offer the performance you'll get if you just wait a few months and many really had serious issues.
So, take advantage of the 'fire sale' going on now and you'll get a great tablet with HC that you can use for a long time. Well, at least long enough to wait for vendors to release ICS and work out the bugs.
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Seems to be the trend. Everyone is gearing up new models for ICS and some are offering them with HC saying ICS ready.
However, I caution everyone on ICS. The architecture is totally different and early hardware along with older hardware will have issues. Does anyone remember buying a computer that had Windows 3.1 but was Windows 98 compatible? Or a Windows 98 computer that was Windows XP compatible? These usually don't offer the performance you'll get if you just wait a few months and many really had serious issues.
So, take advantage of the 'fire sale' going on now and you'll get a great tablet with HC that you can use for a long time. Well, at least long enough to wait for vendors to release ICS and work out the bugs.
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This and more of this. People try to buy products that will encourage capability of upgrading, but little do they know, their device will run it very slug like and could frustrate them more than the previous version they had installed.
I picked mine up for $280 with free shipping and no tax. I couldn't be happier with it.
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timmyDean said:
Seems to be the trend. Everyone is gearing up new models for ICS and some are offering them with HC saying ICS ready.
However, I caution everyone on ICS. The architecture is totally different and early hardware along with older hardware will have issues.
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I wonder what makes you think ICS is "totally different" from 2.x or 3.x ?
My understanding is that it is really isn't changing very much of the honeycomb base for tablets, and is instead just merging that with 2.x style support for phones.
In other words, the only growing pains should be the time it takes apps to develop proper ICS apps that adjust based on tablet vs phone. But there shouldn't be any problems running ICS on our hardware, given that it's basically 3.x.
Is there something I missed?
The A500 is going to be replaced by Acer’s A700 Tablet Detailed: Quad-Core Tegra 3 SoC and 1920x1200 Screen. Just do a search on the web for A700
The lifetime of these products is going to be similar to those of cell phones which is 6 months to a year. Maybe a bit longer.
The business model is all about turnaround, planned obsolescence, consumers buying the next hot product, upgrading at every turn, etc. Just look at some of the signatures everyone has with several models of phones, tablets, etc. listed. Seems the economy is tanked yet everyone is buying electronic products at a furious rate (gotta have priorities).
The A500 is not immune to this paradigm.
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The A500 is going to be replaced by Acer’s A700 Tablet Detailed: Quad-Core Tegra 3 SoC and 1920x1200 Screen. Just do a search on the web for A700
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I tried to tell you lot about this a couple of months ago when my sister inlaw(acer employee) told me about a completely new tablet coming out
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I wonder what makes you think ICS is "totally different" from 2.x or 3.x ?
My understanding is that it is really isn't changing very much of the honeycomb base for tablets, and is instead just merging that with 2.x style support for phones.
In other words, the only growing pains should be the time it takes apps to develop proper ICS apps that adjust based on tablet vs phone. But there shouldn't be any problems running ICS on our hardware, given that it's basically 3.x.
Is there something I missed?
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Basically put, ICS has a series of new API's that require more horsepower to run. Running this on a earlier version of chip sets not designed for ICS will be sluggish.
Like I've said, I've been using ICS for over 3 months and it runs like a dog on older equipment. Half the time you think it's hung or locked up.
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I tried to tell you lot about this a couple of months ago when my sister inlaw(acer employee) told me about a completely new tablet coming out
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Exactly, follow the money. There is NO money in it. The margins are too tight to spend money and resources on something you've already been paid for. You might not like it, I don't like paying baggage fees at Airports either, but that's the market place.
If you have ever listened to JT (CEO) at ACER and his vision, you'll see exactly what he has told every employee. That ACER's life cycle is 6 months. They plan and build on replacing hardware constantly improving and encouraging customers to upgrade. The second thing, that comes out through him, is the need for ACER to make money on services, the Cloud, and software. Look around and you will see a lot of the tablet MFG's doing the same thing (just like bag fees at airports) they are all doing it.
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Did anyone think since it is the holiday season that may be why they are sold out?
Perhaps Acer did not make enough to keep them in supply or the stores did not order enough.
I doubt they would stop selling just because ICS may be an update.
And I doubt they would stop making the 500 until the 700 is close to being available.
But then it is Acer we are talking about and who knows what their thinking is.
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Did anyone think since it is the holiday season that may be why they are sold out?
Perhaps Acer did not make enough to keep them in supply or the stores did not order enough.
I doubt they would stop selling just because ICS may be an update.
And I doubt they would stop making the 500 until the 700 is close to being available.
But then it is Acer we are talking about and who knows what their thinking is.
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Demand is high and they probably did not make enough. But, they also cut back on the A500 production numbers too. So you're probably looking at several reasons. However, the a500, according to ACER personnel has been added to their twilight list. Not sure it twilighted items are 6, 9, or 12 months. It use to mean 12 months with production runs dropping each month after 6.
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I can confirm that they are officially discontinued at Best Buy. They will no longer receive any from Acer. Of course there are some stocks at some stores an distribution centers but once they are gone they are gone.
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I picked mine up for $280 with free shipping and no tax. I couldn't be happier with it.
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Where, if you don't mind me asking?
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Discontinued.
Does this mean I have to give up my tablet..Please don't make erica sad. Don't make me cry.
Acer will continue support or will loose so many customers they will be out of business.
timmyDean said:
Basically put, ICS has a series of new API's that require more horsepower to run. Running this on a earlier version of chip sets not designed for ICS will be sluggish.
Like I've said, I've been using ICS for over 3 months and it runs like a dog on older equipment. Half the time you think it's hung or locked up.
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I have to disagree with the statement that ics runs poorly on older devices. I've been running ics without any issues on first generation samsung galaxy s variant for the past couple of months. the speed is one of the main positives with the ics rom. I don't see why a tegra2 based 1gig memory iconia a500 wouldn't be an excellent hardware to go along with ics.
durango99 said:
I have to disagree with the statement that ics runs poorly on older devices. I've been running ics without any issues on first generation samsung galaxy s variant for the past couple of months. the speed is one of the main positives with the ics rom. I don't see why a tegra2 based 1gig memory iconia a500 wouldn't be an excellent hardware to go along with ics.
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i loaded ICS on my Captivate the other day, and I noticed the same thing. If a single core 1Ghz phone with 512mb ram can run it smoothly, why can't a dual core with 1Gb?
The only official specs I can find is that it will be of similar requirements to honeycomb, with a minimum of 512mb ram.