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[Q] Will the GTab get/run Honeycomb?

I have seen posts all over XDA and other forums regarding this.
Does anyone have the REAL word on this????

There has no been official word from Samsung either way. From the dev work here it is certainly capable of running Honeycomb.

w4rmk said:
There has no been official word from Samsung either way. From the dev work here it is certainly capable of running Honeycomb.
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I really hope so. Have been looking forward to running Honeycomb ever since it was launched. And even more so when I actually got my Tab!
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Since Honeycomb is a tablet only OS my guess is the Tab will get Gingerbread instead since all the Tabs except the ones in North America officially have the phone feature. But, judging from the trend of Samsung it seems 2.2 may just be it and business wise they feel that will inspire you to spend more money on buying the new Tab or S2 to get the latest OS. But, that's just my opinion.
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Well, I got the galaxy tab thinking it would at least get gingerbread.
As for Honeycomb, I think it should run OK. Even if the whole OS doesn't run, I'm sure we will at least get apks for the tablet optimised apps like gmail.
But hey, there's a new HTC 7" tablet announced with slightly better specs and it's said to get honeycomb. HTC is popular, I'm sure we can get a port from them.

xshocksin said:
.... But, judging from the trend of Samsung it seems 2.2 may just be it and business wise they feel that will inspire you to spend more money on buying the new Tab or S2....
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their strategy might just work after a fashion...i might spend more money on a new tablet-it will just be a tablet from a manufacturer who is more committed to providing updates to existing customers. ie not samsung.
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I reckon not...
Chances are I would say no, if they give us honeycomb, why would we go out and buy their new tab?

arnie580 said:
Chances are I would say no, if they give us honeycomb, why would we go out and buy their new tab?
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The new Tab is a 10.1" device, which makes it a completely different animal in my opinion.
Regards,
Dave

IMHO Samsung dont seem to really care about it's exsisting customers only the new ones.
ive got an S and Tab and although i like both devices the lack of support winds me up, they constantly release new hardware with the latest software and seem reluctant to support what is in fact still "new" devices.
I dont buy into "you bought they device with froyo, so that's what youve got"
I expect high end hardware to be fully supported it's an insult they release a new device after 6 months without supporting the current one.
Any legit reason for not having honeycomb? No none.
I really cant see myself buying another Samsung product.

If the OEM doesn't wanna play nice and give us Gingerbread let alone Honeycomb, I'm sure the ORSUM devs here will be able to "cook" something up.
Afterall, isn't that what this forum is all about?

Some little 'savings' for Samsung
Samsung care about costumers already have. There is official 2.2.1 there are lot of other devices from other manufacturers what simply won't get 2.2... and we will get 2.3 also... Who said they don't care about costumers... New tablets are not the same category, except HTC Flyer almost all are 10 inch monster and for lot of money... Not the same race as Galaxy Tab in. We bought our device on the last quarter of year, will we rush for a new one just for Honeycomb and dual core CPU, don't think so... This is problem for Samsung? Don't think so. Will be no people in the future who change his/her device in every next quarter... If Samsung leave me alone, would we buy any new Samsung device in the future? Don't think so... Could it be a big business? Don't think so... We will see...

"As for original Tab owners, all is not lost. Wong said they’re “discussing internally on the next update, but we haven’t made a decision yet. In the future, when we have made a decision, we will let you know.”
http://www.samsunghub.com/2011/02/1...d&utm_campaign=Feed:+samsunghub+(Samsung+Hub)
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I would say that executive is dead wrong. This year the market will be flooded with 10" tablets running Honeycomb. As such manufacturer's need to find a way to differentiate themselves from the pack. Samsung's current Tab does that by having a smaller size and being able to make phone calls. I hope Samsung decides to make a next-gen Tab 7 to go along with their new Tab 10. I am very happy with the current Tab but I also think it could definitely benefit from a dual core processor and fast graphics engine.

Tab and Honeycomb
w4rmk said:
I would say that executive is dead wrong. This year the market will be flooded with 10" tablets running Honeycomb. As such manufacturer's need to find a way to differentiate themselves from the pack. Samsung's current Tab does that by having a smaller size and being able to make phone calls. I hope Samsung decides to make a next-gen Tab 7 to go along with their new Tab 10. I am very happy with the current Tab but I also think it could definitely benefit from a dual core processor and fast graphics engine.
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I very much agree with what was said.
added note that we all know that the nook color has honeycomb running already. even though its a port of the sdk, doesn't the nook color have lesser specs than the TAB? I'm positive that we will get something made for us.Surly not by OEM, but by yours truly, the amazing devs.... after we clean up the mess in the Development Section. It looks like a 9 year old went to clean his room because his mom said so and just took all of his toys and shoved them in the closet.

If the Tab doesn't get an update to Honeycomb from Samsung, I will be a former customer, I'll donate this to my mom, and I'll switch to the HTC Flyer. They've been brilliant with their updates, and their UI updates for Android.

Same for me, if the Tab doesn't get an update to Honeycomb from Samsung, I will not buy any other Samsun device ever. The minimum I expect from them is to give support to an only 5 months old Tablet. When I said support I am meaning updates.

Rocheau said:
Same for me, if the Tab doesn't get an update to Honeycomb from Samsung, I will not buy any other Samsun device ever. The minimum I expect from them is to give support to an only 5 months old Tablet. When I said support I am meaning updates.
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Unless Samsung intends to phase out production of the 7 inch galaxy tab I don't see how they can not support a Honeycomb release. By all reports that I have seen the Galaxy Tab is selling very well indeed and that would mean that Samsung would continue with production for quite some time. If they choose to produce the 7 inch tab with gingerbread only and the tab 2 with honeycomb it would indicate that the 7 inch tab is doomed as far as Samsung is concerned. They would gradually phase out production of the 7 inch tablet altogether.
One other possibility that Samsung might try is to produce a dual core 7 inch version of the tab with Honeycomb installed. That would give them an excuse not to support the current galaxy tab by encouraging current owners to move up to the dual core technology.
As far as Samsung committing to 10 inch tablets is concerned...only the market will determine what size(s) will be produced. If consumers prefer a smaller tablet the manufacturer's will continue to produce tablets in the size that the market wants. To do otherwise would mean giving up market share and I don't think any of them are willing to lose market share in a market that is growing very quickly.
Either way Honeycomb will wind up on our Galaxy Tabs. The developers here at XDA are brilliant and I'm sure they will combine their skills to port Honeycomb to the current Galaxy Tab.

The short answer.…yes it will, but not from Samsung and not anytime soon.
From the Tab.
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I think the state of smartphones is tough for the manufacturer and consumer right now because the evolution of technology for smartphones are out of control right now. Someone needs to step up and say "hey, we need to tone it down a notch. We need to allow the consumer to catch up and actually enjoy the investment they just made". Yes, it is an investment for the consumer because they are actually committing to 2 year contracts or paying a lot of money for full price phones. So, manufacturers need to roll things out slowly as far as new hardware goes and enjoy the profits till they start to see it dropping then roll out the next great thing. On the OS side of it? I think Google needs to step up and say "hey, we need to get all the devices that can handle the most latest and greatest version of android updated and caught up." Then, from there roll out new versions at a solid steady pace. Take some control if they really want the android OS to rule the smartphone/tablet market. Of course this is just my opinion.
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for what it's worth, i like my tab coz it has a phone function period.
even if we dont get honeycomb, we would definitely get ice cream when it landed on nexus which is honeycombish and gingerbreadish
its fine for me
patient is the key ^^

My Opinion

Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.

I've had the same thought, but since my GF got it for me for X-mas, I'm gonna keep using it, and give it back to her when I can afford a XOOM
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kenfly said:
Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.
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I got the tab in January and so far other than gaining root haven’t done anything else with it, the mobility factor is a big plus no question about it, but then I got the xoom on launching day and now I really like them both…so if or when you do it you will appreciate the differences.
I think the Devs have nothing to do with your decision.

I really like the form factor, but performance is an issue with my tab. and with the dev community not really huge, i feel left out of so much with all of these honeycomb tegra2 tablets coming out. I just really feel that Samsung really jumped the gun with the tab. releasing it with no hopes of any real update. Then pretty much rubbing it in our face by releasing 2 more tabs that are far more superior. makes me feel like i made a bad investment by falling for their trickery.
Maybe SGT 8.9 if released with similar specs as of the xoom. and reasonably priced

The tegra processors and Honycomb make our tab look outdated already but IMO the differences are not that big unless one expects too much from a tablet; is not going to replace our laptops yet…as for sami updating my hopes are nonexistent. I was in Germany recently when a saw the tab of a friend of mine, phone working etc I turned green . My biggest beef is with the carriers here in the US that crippled the device.

tegra 2 isnt a device without their own problem
like not able to play 720p mkv movies unless it converted on a specific format
that would be a problem to some people
and is there really a lot of app that dual core ready anyway?
afaik, for normal process, only 1 core would work unless there's a need for the 2nd core?
jumping too soon on honeycomb with limited apps wouldnt make that much of a difference either
and did you say saving up? how long? ^^
if it took months, who knows we already got honeycomb or ice cream on the way on our tab?
honeycomb, i doubt, but the next generation for smartphone definitely gonna be ported to our tab IMO
my main interest in this tab is phone capability, so unless there's another contender out there, i'm still gonna keep this one

kenfly said:
Then pretty much rubbing it in our face by releasing 2 more tabs that are far more superior. makes me feel like i made a bad investment by falling for their trickery.
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I'm trying to see what trickery Samsung have fooled you with here?
The 7" Tab was sold as an Android 2.2 device, with no promise of a Honeycomb update, and that's what they delivered.
We may, or may not get an official upgrade, which may be Honeycomb, or perhaps Gingerbread, but the Tab is still a very capable and useful device as is IMO. I do believe that we will at least get an unofficial Honeycomb ROM once the source code drops.
None of the upcoming tablets can replace my Tab because they are too big for my purposes, though I may end up getting a bigger tablet purely for home use.
Regards,
Dave

For me its all about size, the 10s are just to big to carry around comfortably. Might as well continue to carry my Dell mini9 laptop. I dont require much from my tab maybe thats why Im happy with the 7.
Remember no matter what you buy it has a good 6 months of obsolescence built in

I think most devs wait for the honeycomb source... no one wants a broken sdk port on an expensive device...
As soon as HC hits aosp I'll contribute developing.

And the xoom community won't move very fast with development for the first six months either. And with that price, probably not much development after that.

rangercaptain said:
And the xoom community won't move very fast with development for the first six months either. And with that price, probably not much development after that.
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Agreed. The xoom may be "developer friendly" but it is way too expensive to mess around with.. the galaxy tab gets cheaper and cheaper and will attract more devs too over time.

Why are we comparing the Tab and the Xoom? Two totally different niches. Anyone buying a Tab should know what they are getting, and most that do are getting them for a reason. 7 inches, and a solid product with the full Android Market without having to push it onto the device.
I have three different 7 inch tablets right now (had a 4th, but the Dell Streak 7 is dismal) and the Galaxy Tab is BY FAR the best of the three. The NookColor is fun, and is running dual-boot Honeycomb (port from sdk) and froyo. It's overclocked to 1.1Ghz and is primarily used by my wife as an e-reader (which is what B&N intended), though she likes firing up Angry Birds, etc.
The Archos 70 Internet Tablet is running 2.2.1..and is slim and can handle just about ANY media thrown it's way. Archos is a leader in Media devices, having created the HDD portable Music player before anyone else (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos)...including Apple. It's hands down the best for watching movies. However it's flimsy and buggy...Archos sucks at support, truly. Plus, there's not much in the way of accessories for it. I had the 10.1 also...but sold it.
My Tab gets the most use...as I swap my phone's sim into it quite frequently. And it handles pretty much everything I want it to do. Out of the 3, theres no comparison as to my satisfaction.
If I wanted another 10" Tablet...and wanted Honeycomb right now, I STILL would not get the Xoom. I can afford it, but that doesn't mean I want to plunk down $800 on something obviously rushed out of production. Too many things wrong with this early adopter device.
Here's to hoping the incoming 8.9' Galaxy Tab has some of the kinks worked out...cuz I'm gonna pounce on it right away. 10.1" prolly not, the form factor just too large for my usage.

Whatever some people get, they will NEVER be satisfied

hehe...truly, and that's why my wife calls me a gadget whore...just have to have em all. Could be worse in her eyes, at least I'm loyal to her

kenfly said:
Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.
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If you bought a tablet based on the dev community then you were wrong to do that in the first place. You buy something for what it is, not what it may be based on some random people messing around with roms.
I can't see how a 10" Xoom could possibly be a replacement for the 7" SGT. One you can carry around with you, use in your car, act as a backup phone, and the other is mostly a stay at home couch device. Personally I think the Xoom is a bit of a let down on things it should be better at - like playing high bitrate movies. SGT blows it away on that score. The SGT build and screen is also very high quality. As good as my iPad 1 (which I've not really touched since the SGT came along. Never mind how I've come to despise the Apple lock-in methodology...).
Honeycomb looks like it will be a great update when the bugs are ironed out, but Froyo (maybe Gingerbread soon) on the SGT currently makes more sense as the device really is closer to a phone than a tablet (and I'm personally happy that it is). Ice Cream Sandwich looks like it will be the natural OS upgrade for this device, as it will combine Honeycomb UI changes with smartphone functionality. Whether Samsung will release it for the SGT in the coming months is anyone's guess, but for now I'm rocking the Tab. For a couch device I'll see what the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is like (hopefully they'll find a fix for the video snafu), but none of the Tegra 2 SoC based tablets are wowing me at the moment.

Bandage said:
hehe...truly, and that's why my wife calls me a gadget whore...just have to have em all. Could be worse in her eyes, at least I'm loyal to her
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I'm one too. I hide some from my wife too, so that makes me some kind of addict! But she uses the RAZR we got many years ago.

rangercaptain said:
I'm one too. I hide some from my wife too, so that makes me some kind of addict! But she uses the RAZR we got many years ago.
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Lol...not mine, she's become a gadget snob. Though she won't admit it, she's glad to be cutting edge. I see it when her girlfriends drool over the cool gadgets she totes around, lmao. We'll go get coffee, and she will look to see who noticed her pretty NookColor while she's reading and surfing the internets.

So you're selling a device because people aren't modding it? IMHO that's a ridiculous reason to sell this amazing piece of tech.
And im guessing one main reason is Honeycomb because, lets face it, its what everyone wants in a tablet. Then why not buy a Nook? You complain lack of development, the Nook Honeycomb port is better than anything they'll ever do with the Xoom.
Still, just my opinion. I'm keeping my Tab until it dies, then ill get another one.
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+1
and..truly one of these days someone WILL put out an Android device that doesn't need modding! Might be 3 years from now...with 8 core cpu & AirWave connectivity (5+TB wireless connection passed through our existing electrical cables that are strung on the poles...or passed through now vacated VHF / UHF signals...yeah, I can dream BIG!)

But you will only be able to get 3g data or 2g+ voice.

From heaven to Hell in 5 weeks

Two months ago, I was getting ready for my vacation (first one in six years) and a trip to US (Going next week). I spent several days checking forums, sites, magazines, everything that would help me choose the best tablet, and Xoom looked like the best option.
I never liked Apple and Ipad. To 'restricted' I’m my opinion. It's like a fine car that doesn't allow you to change the gear, break, accelerate or even steering. Basically the only think you can do is to insert address in the GPS and horn!
I have a Samsung galaxy S and so fat it’s the best phone I have ever had. I already had HTC, Kaiser, Blackberry, Motorola, LG, Nokia, etc and this is, by far, the best one. At first it was terrible: slow, too may Samsung bloatware, terrible battery live, but after flashing few cooked roms it transformed itself to a new device. It was Clark and now became Superman.
Back to the Tablets, when I was looking for the best tablet for me I checked other tablets as well: Samsung didn't had micro SD slot, no HDMI output and it also had almost the same weight as Xoom. Rim Tablet was too "Blackberry alike", and with an unknown OS. LG didn't have all the option as the Motorola Xoom and Ipad is… Ipad. So Xoom looked like the best option available. I decided to pre-order the Wi-Fi version to be delivered to the hotel address because I was afraid of a possible shortage. I have only one shot and I couldn`t miss it. Also this way I would be able to use it as my main computer during the trip. The Xoom is already waiting me on the hotel front desk…
….But I wish it wasn’t. In few weeks Xoom changed from the best available option to the worst option in the new Android market.
First, Motorola wasn’t able to keep up with other companies. Samsung did a major strategic movement and decided to re-design their table. Samsung created a tablet that weight just like an Ipad, and almost 30% less than the Xoom with almost the same specs as the Xoom. Samsung included a MicroSD slot, a much better screen (Super IPS) and HDMI while keeping same price as an Ipad 2. I can get the 16gb version for 100 less than the Xoom and I will still able to buy three or more 16gb MicroSD. Looking at the Samsung tablet make you feel like Motorola isn’t even trying. Bulkier, heavier an more expensive (ok 32gb is the same price, but they didn’t include a 16gb version which is cheaper if you think that you can get a 16gb MicroSD for 30 now.)
In the meantime Motorola is fighting itself: news that they will drop the production of Xoom, e-mails sent to Xda to remove .dump file, locket bootloader on the atrix and droid phones. It looks like Motorola is attacking the only thing that could save the Xoom: The community that could help support the device by making customs rom and other improvements.
In my opinion, it looks like Motorola is working hard to prevent customs Roms to the Xoom
So I keep asking myself if I should keep the Xoom, and the short answer is: No. I shouldn’t
I will be needing a tablet during my trip and I still haven`t decided if I should keep my Xoom until I can get a Samsung Tab or if I should send it back to Amazon and get a Asus Transformer. I am afraid that keeping the Xoom for too much time I won`t be able sell it in the future. I`m feeling like I am with a time bomb on my lap and if I doesn`t sell it fast enough it will blow.
And I have no doubt that it will be much easier to sell an Asus Transformer or an Acer A 500 than sell the Xoom in the near future. Hey, the transformer have a different strategy (that it can also be used as a netbook) so I may ending keeping it (but I still like Samsung Tab 10.1 best).
For now, Xoom is just better than nothing because there are no other android devices available. From April 24th (Acer A500 launch) it will face the competition of Acer. After that Asus and Samsung. The truth is that I haven`t even open the Xoom box, but I’m already with bitter taste in my mouth.
Some people talk about Xoom having the premium price. You paid more because you wanted to have the first Android device in the market ahead from everyone. OK, but would you pay this “premium price” if you knew that it would only last four weeks? That after 4 weeks you would have 4 new and better options (cheaper ones) available? Also, how much “premium price” you’ll have to pay? You already paying it in dollars, but you already paying it in the fact that the OS have bugs (like Mem space bug), that the SD card doesn’t work, that the screen is worst than every other device. How much you’ll have to pay as premium price?
Now I just need to know how can I return an unopened Xoom to Amazon and have a refund to purchase and Acer or and Asus for 200 bucks less.
It’s sad when you haven’t event received a new gadget but you already have give up on it, but it is worst when you realized that even the manufacture have already give up on the device.

isnt the galaxy tab shipping with FROYO? with Samsung's track record, I doubt it'll get honeycomb in 2011, gingerbread is a more realistic goal, maybe near christmas?
Xoom is a great tablet and I'm sorry that you've decided to return it without even using it.
This same thread has been posted too many times, and needs to be added to a forum FAQ or something. "Should I buy x if y is coming out soon?" turns into "Should I buy y if z is coming out soon?". At some point you just have to make a purchase and accept that no technology is going to be "the best" for very long

Wait, you haven't even opened the box and we get this long rant?
Use the device, let your experience guide your choices. The simple fact is that the Xoom is a powerful and beautiful slate, if you are one of us who love it out of the box.
We have root, we have overclock and regardless of the Xoom platform Honeycomb will have a strong community support even if because it is Android.
I for one am a power user and love my Xoom, it's attractive and does it's job well for my tastes.
Regardless, you need to experience the thing in your environment before you decide it isn't worth your time. Normally the hurdle would be the purchase, but you've already passed that one. Take the time to configure and play, then decide!

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isnt the galaxy tab shipping with FROYO? with Samsung's track record, I doubt it'll get honeycomb in 2011, gingerbread is a more realistic goal, maybe near christmas?
Xoom is a great tablet and I'm sorry that you've decided to return it without even using it.
This same thread has been posted too many times, and needs to be added to a forum FAQ or something. "Should I buy x if y is coming out soon?" turns into "Should I buy y if z is coming out soon?". At some point you just have to make a purchase and accept that no technology is going to be "the best" for very long
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Galaxy Tab 10 is not shipping with 2.2. Launching with 3.0.

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Galaxy Tab 10 is not shipping with 2.2. Launching with 3.0.
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my bad, must be thinking of the older one; I feel sorry for anyone who bought that oversized phone that doesnt make calls
After using honeycomb, 2.x just doesnt make sense on a tablet
edit: I cant wait for all these new tablets to come out so people can start to differentiate between problems with the xoom and problems with honeycomb.

It's amazing how you've managed to out dumb every single other post in xoom general with this ridiculous pointless rant.
You've not even opened the box and you're complaining about the xoom.
The xoom is the most unlocked device moto has ever produced, it won't ever be locked.
You have nothing to backup your claims at all. There is nothing about the new tablets coming out that will reduce your enjoyment of the xoom. If you keep worrying about the next tablet and then the next tablet you will never have a tablet, and never be happy.
The xoom is a wonderful device with a lot going for it and nothing samsung or acer does will change that for me.
Honestly its your fault for ordering something so far ahead of time, especially a device like this that had almost no chance of selling out.
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I'm sure that the description "From Heaven to Hell" seems a bit dramatic to most readers, but if thats the way you feel, you will probably never be happy with the Xoom even after the upgrades & updates.
The more I read the more I realize the Xoom really is only going to one of the best tablets after it's hacked, overclocked and running a high quality custom ROM. This is the way I always intended to use the Xoom, though I am learning that I really am in the minority of users. Those consumers having no intention of hacking the tablet are likely to be disappointed when comparing it to a more "finished" product.
I add my experience to this post only to help illustrate the importance of considering the intended use of the product by the individual giving his opinion of it. Critics of users who are dissatisfied with the Xoom seem to overlook that relevance and chastise them unjustly. Inevitably, every thread that includes negative opinions of the Xoom turns to **** as a polarized pissing contest ensues.
The ironic good part of this usual course of behavior is that waiting for these updates will give everyone a chance to get this crap out of their system so that by that time we can get busy talking about nothing but development, improvements and ROMs. Won't THAT be great?!

Sorry if you think that what I wrote is 'ridiculous pointless rant', but what a wrote is just what I am feeling so I am probably feeling ridiculous pointless right now.
About pre-ordering, yes it was a bad call. But I was in the US last thanksgiving and I spent two weeks trying to get a Xbox Kinect with no luck. I just didn`t want that to happened again. I also pre order a 3DS in the same way as the Xoom.
I agree that there is nothing from the new tables that would keep me from enjoying the Xoom, but that's not so simple. It's human nature to search for the best, and have the best. So I can say that except for some users that actually try several devices in order to choose the right one, most of the consumers will just choose the ones that looks the best. And between too devices, one 30% lighter and with the same specs, most of the users will go for the lighter even without testing.
I know that I am responsible for what happened but I think that what you should realize is that this will be the most typical scenario for the Xoom in the next weeks. Do you think that most of the consumers will act as XDA user and will do their homework (even then some XDA users will return theirs Xoom) or they will make their decisions like I did, in an impulse purchase?
Just look how many people stood on the line to purchase an Ipad 2 in the first day. None of these people were able to fully try Ipad before buying it. They just went for the one that looked the best.
And so this will probably happens with Android devices too. Most of people will go for the one with better specs or, in a secondary decision path, for the cheaper one. Very few people will go for the `right one for me`.
I just don't think that Motorola will hold on the Xoom if they start getting low sales numbers and high return rates. Motorola hasn't show that it will support Xoom if it fails in sale, and that's, combined to a POSSIBLE decision to prevent custom rooms (like they did in some Droid and Atrix phones) will turn out to be doom fall to Xoom users.

Psychokitty said:
I'm sure that the description "From Heaven to Hell" seems a bit dramatic to most readers, but if thats the way you feel, you will probably never be happy with the Xoom even after the upgrades & updates.
The more I read the more I realize the Xoom really is only going to one of the best tablets after it's hacked, overclocked and running a high quality custom ROM. This is the way I always intended to use the Xoom, though I am learning that I really am in the minority of users. Those consumers having no intention of hacking the tablet are likely to be disappointed when comparing it to a more "finished" product.
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I agree with the fact that Xoom will be a much better device after hacked and with custom Rom. I just don`t know if that will happen. Just look at the Atrix forum and the petition to have an unlocked bootloader. If I`m wrong please let me know but we are not sure, at this time, that there will be custom roms avaiable to the Xoom.

If I may throw my 2 cents into the can...
Yes, it looks like cheaper, and slimmer or lighter tablets are coming around the corner. Acer and Asus have it right in the price. Samsung built a thinner mouse trap, if you will, with redesigning the 8.9 and 10.1 Tabs.
Here's why the Xoom is my pick to date: Stock Android Device. Yes, all these tablets will have Honeycomb, but the OEM's are placing UI's on top. Granted, They don't appear to be too obtrusive to the Honeycomb experience (thank you Samsung for figuring that out) it will still be an issue when updates are released. I learned my lesson on the phone side and bought the Nexus S, and am so, so glad I did. Now, I don't want to get into a discussion of who the updates will be coming from, but it's obvious that a stock operating system will get the updates much, much faster than any devices with custom UI's. Samsung will have one, Asus will have one, hell HTC wants to put frigging Sense on their tablets. Yes people, you HTC tablet owners will get to stare at that stupid clock widget all day long on a bigger screen.
Look, I understand that the Xoom is way too expensive, I look at my Best Buy account and cringe, but I'm glad I pulled the trigger and bout the Xoom. It may not be a "Nexus" device per say, but for the joy of having the "pure Google experience" I'm all about the Xoom.

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I agree with the fact that Xoom will be a much better device after hacked and with custom Rom. I just don`t know if that will happen. Just look at the Atrix forum and the petition to have an unlocked bootloader. If I`m wrong please let me know but we are not sure, at this time, that there will be custom roms avaiable to the Xoom.
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the only thing stopping the development of custom roms right now is the lack of HC source code, so if the xoom never gets custom roms then no 3.x device will

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If I may throw my 2 cents into the can...
Yes, it looks like cheaper, and slimmer or lighter tablets are coming around the corner. Acer and Asus have it right in the price. Samsung built a thinner mouse trap, if you will, with redesigning the 8.9 and 10.1 Tabs.
Here's why the Xoom is my pick to date: Stock Android Device. Yes, all these tablets will have Honeycomb, but the OEM's are placing UI's on top. Granted, They don't appear to be too obtrusive to the Honeycomb experience (thank you Samsung for figuring that out) it will still be an issue when updates are released. I learned my lesson on the phone side and bought the Nexus S, and am so, so glad I did. Now, I don't want to get into a discussion of who the updates will be coming from, but it's obvious that a stock operating system will get the updates much, much faster than any devices with custom UI's. Samsung will have one, Asus will have one, hell HTC wants to put frigging Sense on their tablets. Yes people, you HTC tablet owners will get to stare at that stupid clock widget all day long on a bigger screen.
Look, I understand that the Xoom is way too expensive, I look at my Best Buy account and cringe, but I'm glad I pulled the trigger and bout the Xoom. It may not be a "Nexus" device per say, but for the joy of having the "pure Google experience" I'm all about the Xoom.
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I agree with most everything you said however, where is the microSD card support on Xoom? These new tablets are releasing with functional slots. For a flagship device for Honeycomb, I am a bit disappointed. I have had my Xoom since day 1 and being as patient as possible with this but seeing other honeycomb tablets release with microSD support is a slap in the face.

dandearebr,
notice this...
regarding development of android device you must have development device, until now the development device supported by google are : G1 (legacy, not supported anymore), Nexus One, Nexus S and Motorola Xoom... the last three have unlock bootoloader officially, not by doing a hack, G1 Dev are coming unlocked from the first day of release (except G1 T Mob)..
so now, are you sure the next coming HC tablets have official unlock bootloader? "fastboot oem unlock"
Droid, Desire, Xperia etc, they are not development device, so is Atrix and others..the only way to put custom android to that product is hacking the bootloader..
Atrix have a good bootloader lock, afaik until now, no one have succes unlock milestone bootloader..so atrix will do the same..
now, one million dollars question for u, are u sure u want to buy next tablet that we dont know about their bootloader? u love custom rom right?

Dear Dandearebr
You will never get "perfect" tablet because there is no definition of such. There are expectations that are constantly changing, also they are very personal and subjective.
Your opinion is based on reviews and vocal complainers baseless in most of cases.
Xoom is very solid tablet capable of replacing of laptop. I am sure that it will get updates and will be useful for a least a year, year and a half. Then it will be a picture frame.
BTW, it has amazingly powerful sound. Listening online radio is very enjoyable.
My opinion is based on experience using Android since 2009, starting with HTC G1, then MyTouch, Galaxy S, Samsung Galaxy Tab 7". Xoom is a different animal because of Honeycomb and it is a big step forward.
Personally I prefer 7" tab with phone capability and pocketable size.

Classic buyer's remorse. We've all been there. My suggestion is to follow through and return it. You will never likely be happy with it, regardless of how well it functions for you.
Happily typing from my unlocked, rooted, overclocked Xoom.

Please return it so that real users don't have to clean up after you and kiss your boo-boos. Sheesh, you don't need a Xoom, you need a mom!
Sent from my Xoom using XDA App

So have you actually used the device?

God, return it.
Then when the XYZ tablet you want comes out you will go cry to those forums that ZYS v2.0 tablet is coming out.

I don't get why a lot of you are getting all defensive and starts attacking a fellow member, just because he's having a much better look at the future than us early adopters. I mean, be honest guys! A lot of us here are all wishful thinking about the opposite of what the OP has said! Yeah, we all might be happy for now, as the Motorola Xoom is the only tablet available that's actually competing with iPadLock2. But a few days, weeks from now, with all these tablets coming out and (hopefully not) the chance of Xoom reaching it's end of life/production. Along with threats of locked bootloader and a chance of not getting any update support from Motorola (FACT: XOOM is NOT the developer TAB from Google), we might just end up flooding this forum with threads just like the OP's.. Let's face it, no one knows about Xoom's future.. Heck I don't even know if Jha even knows the Xooms future at this point.. But the fact that Xoom's sale wasn't really that good, due to motorola's marketing strategy and price, with the iPad 2's overwhelming, and the upcoming flooding of Honeycomb tablets with better specs and/or pricing, our Xoom tablet could very well just end up as a very expensive paperweight.. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy with my Xoom! It meets my daily needs but the fact that it hasn't yet reached it's full potential due to Honeycomb's infancy, the FC's and limited apps worries me. I mean, we all know how these companies are.. If their product doesn't sell, they stop the production and support/updates. Add to that the threat on the XDA community regarding the Dump files and chances of the Bootloader getting locked, helps me understand the OP's sentiments/rants.. Let's face it, this is not the Developer's TAB like what we all hoped it would be when we bought it. Without the support from Motorola and the XDA community, this product we're defending would actually just end up like what the OP has said on the title of this thread. So let's just get along and stop bashing the OP just because he still has a chance to change his mind. Me, I would advice the OP to just return/sell the Xoom and wait for a few the upcoming tablets before it's too late. Because if he does, he would have a much better look at the future of the Xoom. Who knows, he might even see Motorola getting crazy coming up with a 16GB version, with better pricing and unlocked bootloader! Now that would be a win/win situation for the OP and us early adopters!! My fingers are crossed..........

Perfect! There really is no more to debate on this, and just no reason to bash the OP. Nobody knows anything for sure yet. I'm in it for the long haul, but only because I intend to be an end user of custom ROMs. I WILL be disappointed with how much I spent on the Xoom if that doesn't ever happen.

Honeycomb 3.2 update coming?

Not sure if there is any truth to this, but check out this article from Android Police and judge for yourself:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-day-one-7-tablet-support-bug-fixes-and-more/

looks good, if it is anything like that describe it.
It should make the xoom soooo much better.

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looks good, if it is anything like that describe it.
It should make the xoom soooo much better.
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Really? Because I didn't get that impression at all from the article. The impression I got is that it adds support to smaller devices, qualcom processors and an update to the video editing app. That doesn't really qualify as "soooo much better" in my mind.

It took just a couple mouse clicks and I was able to learn that 3.2 is for the smaller (e.g. 7") screen and 3.1 is for the larger (e.g. 10") screen tablets, beyond that there is no significant difference.
Remember.......Google is your friend.
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I guess if it is true, at least it'd get us closer to the possibility of source code being released since they would have taken care of the smaller tablet size porting issue.

From the ThisIsMyNext post, the main benefit is different res & CPU support (well, QualComm at least). It supposedly also improves "hardware acceleration," which would be a perk for existing Teg2 devices. But apparently, any substantive improvement will come in ICS.
My impression is that HC is a ICS beta, released early so that Android vendors can establish a tablet market this year against the iPad juggernaut. One wonders if that means ICS can at least make Q4, or if it will miss the Xmas shopping season altogether. If it's pushed to 2012, and assuming Win8 beta gets good reception come Sept, Android may have a steeper path to adoption than envisioned.

There is nothing "to die for" in the upgrade...

3.1 wasn't a major upgrade either, but it was still welcomed. As it stands, 3.1 is still a mixed bag, which is born out in lackluster sales. 3.2 reportedly will be in time for back-to-school, and hopefully will make Android tabs presentable enough to be a viable competitor to the iPad.

"As for timing, we’re told that current tablets like the Motorola Xoom will get the update in the “next few weeks,” with new seven-inch tablet hardware to follow in August."
here we go with the term next few weeks...
its going to be next few months again before we even sees it..

Ok - that's great - we don't know what other additions are thrown in to 3.2 but the major thing is support for more processors and smaller sized screens - knowing Google they have probably thrown in heaps of other little minor changes...
like 3.1 which was touted as loads of bugfixes? then throw in that usb host and xbox controller goodness and bluetooth mouse stuff...
let's just wait and see what officially gets announced as 'fixed' or 'upgraded' in the 3.2 announcements...
also is this the first time an Android OS has gone through three (major?) revisions, from 3.0 (-> 3.0.1) -> 3.1 -> 3.2
I think if I recall wasn't Eclair 2.0 and 2.1 ?

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Not sure if there is any truth to this, but...
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This should have been the title of your thread. Or, perhaps more accurately, "I didn't bother to research this because I care much more about being the first to post hearsay than about the validity of my posts."

I think we can assume this is pretty well confirmed, due to the recent announcements of 7 inch Honeycomb tablets by Huawei and Acer. 3.2 seems to be basically a maintenance release aimed at setting up the infrastructure for ICS. Google needed to get the 7 inch tablets on the same version as the 10 inchers so that they can focus on phone integration in ICS.
However the news is not all 7 inch focused. I think hardware acc. improvements is good news for the Xoom and other larger tablets and I am sure there will be general improvements and performance tweaks. I would expect to see other fixes related to the recent movie rental abilities of non-rooted tablets.
While not a world shaking update it will be welcome to US Xoomers, and I for one am already looking acquisitively at the 7 inch Iconia tablets running HC3.2 that Acer has announced.
As for Euro Xoom users, can we hope that Moto decided to just jump 3.1 and focus on a 3.2 Euro update?
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Nah, me neither.

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As for Euro Xoom users, can we hope that Moto decided to just jump 3.1 and focus on a 3.2 Euro update?
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I'm sure that line will be bandied about but I don't know if there's any truth in it. Tbh, I'm sure BRD and the rest of Team Tiamat will have the update ready for us before Moto even think about a Euro release. /sigh.

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This should have been the title of your thread. Or, perhaps more accurately, "I didn't bother to research this because I care much more about being the first to post hearsay than about the validity of my posts."
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Nice contribution to the thread.

I had the A100 on my radar since 10" is too large for my preference, but its announced specs were disappointing. It has half the RAM (512MB vs 1GB), half the storage (8GB vs 16GB), and half the battery capacity (1530mAh vs 3260mAh) of the A500.
http://www.blognotes.in/compare-acer-iconia-tab-a100-vs-iconia-tab-a500/
At USD$350, it's only $50 less than the Asus TF, which for the Acer brand is grossly overpriced. Acer's waffling Android support is also worrying. It's going for the shotgun approach and sees what sticks, releasing a ChromeOS laptop and a Win7 (Iconia W500) tablet at the same time. Yet it has cut its tablet sales projection by 60% for 2011. Not exactly a vote of confidence in Android.
Another downer is that when it comes out in Q3, the Tegra 2 will be close to the end of its short life cycle. And if ICS shows up in Q4, then it's a triple-whammy of outdated hardware & OS, and halfhearted vendor support. Imagine getting a Teg2 in Jul/Aug, and 3 months later, ICS pops out the chute with the quadcores in tow.
I suppose it boils down to whether it serves one's immediate needs. But too many consumers will buy into these things expecting continued support, and disappointment then ensues, as to wit here.
Weirdly enough, I'm actually looking forward to seeing the Vizio 8" specs, as I like the 4:3 format anyway. If it sports 1024x768 with 3.2 and anything other than the Teg2, it's on my short list.

e.mote said:
I had the A100 on my radar since 10" is too large for my preference, but its announced specs were disappointing. It has half the RAM (512MB vs 1GB), half the storage (8GB vs 16GB), and half the battery capacity (1530mAh vs 3260mAh) of the A500.
http://www.blognotes.in/compare-acer-iconia-tab-a100-vs-iconia-tab-a500/
At USD$350, it's only $50 less than the Asus TF, which for the Acer brand is grossly overpriced. Acer's waffling Android support is also worrying. It's going for the shotgun approach and sees what sticks, releasing a ChromeOS laptop and a Win7 (Iconia W500) tablet at the same time. Yet it has cut its tablet sales projection by 60% for 2011. Not exactly a vote of confidence in Android.
Another downer is that when it comes out in Q3, the Tegra 2 will be close to the end of its short life cycle. And if ICS shows up in Q4, then it's a triple-whammy of outdated hardware & OS, and halfhearted vendor support. Imagine getting a Teg2 in Jul/Aug, and 3 months later, ICS pops out the chute with the quadcores in tow.
I suppose it boils down to whether it serves one's immediate needs. But too many consumers will buy into these things expecting continued support, and disappointment then ensues, as to wit here.
Weirdly enough, I'm actually looking forward to seeing the Vizio 8" specs, as I like the 4:3 format anyway. If it sports 1024x768 with 3.2 and anything other than the Teg2, it's on my short list.
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The Vizio is an interesting option...since I really want something in the 7ish size bracket and the Galaxy Tab and HTC Flyer strike me as steps back in terms of OS with 2.2 and 2.3.
As for Huawei....I have too much experience with Huawei's build quality across their overstretched industries to actually pay my own money for their products.

I'm sure the GalTab 7" will be updated for this year, as Samsung is all-in for the Android effort. Ditto HTC. Once 3.2 hits, I think we'll see new products (or updates) from both.
It's the PC vendors like Asus, Dell, and Acer that Android is more of an iffy proposition. They have strong existing relationships with Microsoft, and will likely be Win8 launch partners. If I were in their shoes, I'd be biding my time for Win8--if its schedule doesn't slip of course.
Huawei...reportedly the 7" is going through carrier channels only. Not a mass-market item. It has no presence in the US anyway.

Motorola will probably say they were waiting for the 3.2 release before pushing an update out to the 3.0.1 non-US models....
although you'd start to hope that 3.2 actually comes out with the sdcard fix by now - in a few more months its not going to be worth it with ICS coming out probably with, like the rest of the 3.x tablets, a working sdcard slot

The Xoom will get 3.2 in the "next few weeks".
As for timing, we’re told that current tablets like the Motorola Xoom will get the update in the “next few weeks,” with new seven-inch tablet hardware to follow in August. We’ll also have to wait and see how this will affect the Ice Cream Sandwich rollout — with Android updates coming this fast we’re finding it a bit hard to believe that Google will be able to stick to its upgrade promises, but we’re all for being proven wrong.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/21/android-3-2-shipping-this-summer-for-7-inch-tablets-huaweis-me/

Hopefully 3.2 includes a fix to email integration with Exchange ActiveSync that got broken in 3.1. If thats all I get out of the 3.2 update, I'll be happy...

xoom 2 advertisment. No ICS?

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11/01/motorola-xoom-2-ad-confirms-honeycomb-and-pre-christmas-launch-will-likely-retail-for-400/

Well if Moto are going for a 2011 release there's no way they could shoehorn ICS on there before it hits the shops. Better to get the hardware out and selling and work on an ICS upgrade in the background once they have the source.

Well how many people on here would install another rom, install adw ex or multilive wallpaper? So what difference does it make which OS it has.
It would make no difference to me if it had froyo, i had froyo on my 7' galaxy tab and still use all the same apps and widgets on my xoom. So what does it matter?
With ICS you can have a fingerprint unlocker? woopeee dog doo! utter worthless sales mode crap!
Let's have a fingerprint unlocker, but we won't have micro sd card expansion so we can have a thin device, i think these tablet developers are brain damaged!

I would absolutely love and use a fingerprint unlocker! I synch with 2 Exchange servers that require a device unlock PIN every time I turn it on. Not sales crap - a very useful feature for some of us.

not sure if i get the point of them releasing it with only a dual core...

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not sure if i get the point of them releasing it with only a dual core...
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I think they're trying to target the consumer market. Xoom 1 was best of CES and first device honeycomb. I think first device with honeycomb means a lot because the ui was designed almost exclusively for xoom 1. Xoom 2 is not innovative but lighter weight and better screen for $200 less than xoom 1 (589 vs ~389) could do wonders for moto who posted a 3rd quarter loss. If xoom 2 is the first tablet to get ics that may help it out otherwise ics on xoom1 will hopefully satisfy my needs until octacore xoom 3 comes out

Xoom 2 looks like it has a ui skin. Big problem for me.
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>not sure if i get the point of them releasing it with only a dual core...
One major reason is being able to play most videos w/o need to convert, thanks to OMAP4's better multimedia support. For regular people, it means smooth HD Netflix & Hulu streaming. It's a big use-case. In addition to being thinner, lighter, more stylish, etc.
I agree it's not a big jump functionality-wise. Having ICS onboard would've been a more compelling sell, but ICS didn't make the deadline. Regardless, the new Moto line-up is much improved over the old.
>I think they're trying to target the consumer market.
Only for the Xoom Family, which is $350-ish now at BestBuy. The 8.2" Xoom 2 Media Edition will be for €400 (one can assume the same for the US), and is targeted at the under-10" segment.
The 10" Xoom 2 is targeted at the business crowd, mainly by its software load-out. Extrapolating from the announced UK pricing (£325+VAT vs ME's £299), it'll probably go for USD$450.
To sum: Xoom Family $350, Xoom 2 Media 8.2" $400, Xoom 2 10.1" $450.
The emphasis on "value pricing" (read: cheaper than iPad's $500) was made clear by Moto CEO when he said that pricing was something they'd work to bring down. I am a little surprised by the narrow price band--only $100 spacing between high and low-end. It may well be because of ICS' inavailability, which makes a more ambitious roll-out problematic.
Also, Moto is in a major transition of its own, being integrated into Goog, so it has other concerns at the moment.

Does anyone one knows any more info about this tablet? I can't find a decent video review. I am interested buying the media edition.

ICS will come later as an update. As for "When?", well... It's Motorola. Your guess is as good as mine.
The specs on this new tablet are indeed outdated considering new tablets coming in the next 3 months will mostly feature quadcore (or at least much faster hardware). The only way this tablet could be successful is if it allows them to sell it quite cheaper than the quadcore tablets. That could provide a very interesting mid-range product. So, pricing will either make, or break this product IMHO.

See Motorola is not equal to Asus
Motorola new Tablet dual core processor, less internal memory upgrade to ICS as they said.... in due course
Asus 32gig Quad Core same price as Motorola Dual Core 16gig Xoom 2. Upgrade to ICS they said before Christmas

I was surprised that they would release the Xoom 2 with the lackluster hardware and no ICS. What's the huge improvement? Apart from the fact that there's some nice but non-essential upgrades. Spill resistant Screen, shiny metal back, Rear Camera Centered, Power button on the side and not the back, Speakers centered, Grooved corners for easier holding.
My favorite being IT CHARGES OFF OF MICRO USB.
That would of been nice (and expected I would say) on our OG Xooms.
Also w/ Google acquiring Motorola and not releasing ICS on the Xoom 2 right away, I think, shows that Google is not out to play favorites since they acquired a hardware manufacturer. This should give the other big Android manufacturers warm feelings; HTC/Samsung/LG.
I could be wrong but just wanted to put my word in there.

Personally, I think once the Xoom 2 hits shelves, Moto could careless about the OG Xoom and we will be LUCKY to get ICS. I have not used my Xoom in a while since I now prefer my Samsung Galaxy Player 5.0 with a 32GB Class 10 Micro SD (and unlike the GED Xoom I can actually use it to move around files) and I use my Blackberry Playbook for $199. I happen to like the smaller form factor.
The OG Xoom will be forgotten by Moto soon and we will be left to XDA to update our devices;(

I really want a a premium tablet that weight less than 450 gr and is no bigger than 8.9 inch . I have a 7 inch tablet and i want my new one to be a bit bigger . Xoom 2 media edition has what i need . But nobody seems to care about it and every one want transformer prime for its tegra 3 . i am a bit afraid to buy it because i cant find any info on this tablet . Does the media edition has the digitiser to make active stylus work or not ? How is the the battery life on this tablet ? Will the xda community support this tablet or motorolla will just sell few and no one will care to built a custom rom ? I usually i am not an early adopter on products .... Do you have any suggestions for others tablets that will suits my needs ?

I read somewhere that Motorola would not lower the price of the Xoom becausenof the Xoom2, but I can't believe this statement. My guess is that there will be big discounts on the first model. What do you think about this ?

Saintfyre said:
Also w/ Google acquiring Motorola and not releasing ICS on the Xoom 2 right away, I think, shows that Google is not out to play favorites since they acquired a hardware manufacturer. This should give the other big Android manufacturers warm feelings; HTC/Samsung/LG.
I could be wrong but just wanted to put my word in there.
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Yeah, I think you are wrong. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet. That deal has yet to be finalized or even passed.

mdcykkk9 said:
How is the the buttery life on this tablet ?
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It's great as long as you don't leave it near sources of heat.
I'm sorry
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Yeah, I think you are wrong. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet. That deal has yet to be finalized or even passed.
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Correct, the deal hasn't closed yet. I think just recently around the 15th 99% of Motorola Shareholders approved of the merger. Most recently I think they're getting approval/clearance from the European Commission.
So hopefully January-February the deal will be finalized.

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It's great as long as you don't leave it near sources of heat.
I'm sorry
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