I have the Xoom right now and love it. However, I'm attracted to the size and weight of the XYKeyboard. I want 4.0 as soon as possible and LTE doesn't mean anything to me.
I have the option to switch out my Xoom for the XYKeyboard when it comes out, but don't know if I should. Is there any other tablet coming out that I should maybe be waiting for. No, not an iPad. And I've already heard the battery on the Transformer Prime is crap.
I definitely don't want to get the XY and find out the ICS is going to take longer.
Thoughts?
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And I've already heard the battery on the Transformer Prime is crap.
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First I've heard of that. The only thing that came close was one reviewer's website who got a faulty unit... when it was exchanged he got 2+ more hours of battery and lasted a good 11 hours. 11 hours isn't crap to me... not to mention the ability to carry around a spare battery in the dock to give it 18+.
Xyboard doesn't ship with ICS. No tablet shipping before the new year is. The Xyboard is only a little bit faster than the original Xoom. It's not worth upgrading. If you want a new tablet, get the Transformer Prime. It's a tad bit more expensive but the hardware in it blows the Xyboard out of the way. If that isn't enough to sway you, consider this: Xyboard is the stupidest name for a gadget I have ever heard.
I should also point out that the Xoom will probably get an ICS ROM before the Xyboard gets updated.
honestly the xooms specs are fine if i were you'd id avoid spending the money on a whole new tablet and wait at least another year or so. Also quad core? what are you possibly going to be running that needs a quad core lol dual core is fast enough for android
The XY thingy is a joke & a slap in the face to xoom original owners. I have a Asus transformer prime on pre-order.Motorola has lost my business.
I'm a happy Xoom owner also passing on the xyboard. The tablet just doesn't justify the $800 cost (32gB w/o contract) and although dual core is probably enough for me, that doesn't mean I'm going to pay a premium for it and forget quad core is going to be released soon. No microSD, although not critical, is something I'd expect. This is like a middle of the road tablet with a super premium price. Verizon and Motorola must think there are a lot of people willing to pay to have the embedded LTE modem.
I really don't need a new tablet right now so I can wait. For a new buyer, a Xoom or Transformer is a much better bang for your buck. Samsung and Sony have come out with press releases on their next Andriod tablets to be announced in February and at CES (Jan 10th); that doesn't mean they'll be shipping, but I'm not in a rush to buy.
With Apple, many people just buy out of brand loyalty or wanting an Apple device. Motorola releases this device as if its brand loyalty is as strong as Apple. I like Motorola products but this is just a complete disappointment from the specifications to the price. No wonder they aren't seeding media with demo units for testing/reviews. I haven't seen one in depth review; compare that to the Transformer Prime which is seems everyone has except me.
I tried the XY a few days ago (Xoom 2 in the UK) and honestly it is barely an upgrade. The Thinness and weight is nice but it actually felt a little slower than my Xoom, though that's probably because I have mine over clocked. Also the Xoom will get ICS first, the XY is not stock Honeycomb, the changes are little but noticeable and in my opinion make it look a little tacky compared with the Xoom.
Also those weird corners I'll admit feel comfortable and more natural in portrait mode but in landscape I didn't really like the feel, the edges felt sharper and unnatural.
If I were you I would either stick with the Xoom or if you really want an upgrade go for the Transformer Prime, that thing is a beast and when you compare the prices there is really no comparison between the two.
From what I've seen, the Xoom has the same processor as the XYboard(I'll link it when I can find it) just overclocked. If the XYboard will cost you nothing, heck ya! Do it! SOmething I have noticed between the newest of moto's products is a delayed time in unlocking a bootloader. So if custom Roms and kernals are your thing, I'd say wait a bit until an unlock is confirmed. Having an unlocked bootloader means that with the great dev here, we'll see ICS on the Xoom before the Xyboard.
overclock your xoom then wait for a quad core, personally I think ics underlying core won't be to much of a improvement over honeycomb, a few improvements and new theme, but not to much to get overly excited about.
but maybe I am trying to avoid getting let down lol
ill see what GED tablet comes out after IO at the end of June. My xooms not even a year old yet
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From what I've seen, the Xoom has the same processor as the XYboard(I'll link it when I can find it) just overclocked. If the XYboard will cost you nothing, heck ya! Do it! SOmething I have noticed between the newest of moto's products is a delayed time in unlocking a bootloader. So if custom Roms and kernals are your thing, I'd say wait a bit until an unlock is confirmed. Having an unlocked bootloader means that with the great dev here, we'll see ICS on the Xoom before the Xyboard.
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The original Xoom is using a Tegra 2 Processor.
The Xyboard is using a Texas Instrument OMAP4 processor.
And I think Motorola WANTS to upgrade the Xyboard first to ICS but it would be a pain, cause Xyboard is running Motorola Blur so they have a lot of editing to do.
Whereas Xoom is straight up original Android with no modifications, so will be easier to slap ICS on there!
Just wait longer. The xoom is not yet outdated, so the only real difference in the XY would be its profile.
Dispatched at the speed of light from my XOOM
Im thinking hold off for a bit before you buy the XY which is more or less the same as the Xoom.
I say this because I honestly see Xoom getting ICS before XY.
I'll probably never understand the thought process behind a name like XYBoard as Xoom 2 sounds MUCH better. On that note I'm disappointed with the Xoom 2 from a spec sheet perspective. It doesn't offer much of an incentive to "upgrade" to it from my original Xoom. That being said, the Transformer Prime is a true upgrade based on it having that Tegra 3 processor . Someone mentioned that a dual-core processor is fine for Android and I agree: it is perfectly fine for Android...for now. A quad-core tablet is more future-proof, IMHO.
Now, synthetic benchmarks don't mean everything, but it's interesting that the XYBoard 10.1 benchmarks as well as the Transformer Prime in Quadrant, Linpack and Sunspider in our tests.
There's no full blown Motoblur UI on the 10.1 (US shipping model). It's pretty vanilla Android with a handful of Moto and Verizon apps thrown in.
The much improved form factor (let's face it, super-thin and light are popular) is a big mass market improvement over the Xoom. Note, I said mass market, I know some of you guys and gals don't care so much. But it's as thin and light as the iPad 2 and Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, and they seem to be the sweet spot with consumers. Likewise the Transformer is uber thin too.
The IPS display is a huge improvement. The one thing I truly hated about my Xoom was the washed out LCD vs. the Transformer/Tab 10.1/iPad 2. It's colorful and much brighter.
I did a 22 minute in-depth video review of the XYBoard 10.1 if anyone is interested:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=41820
(and yes, I didn't pronounce it correctly in the review, it rhymes with "cyborg" )
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I did a 22 minute in-depth video review of the XYBoard 10.1 if anyone is interested:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=41820
(and yes, I didn't pronounce it correctly in the review, it rhymes with "cyborg" )
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I noticed your review stated Motorola is owned by Google and referred the Xyboard as a GED, but that's not true. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet... And I wouldn't count it a GED since it's got the bloatware on it as well.
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honestly the xooms specs are fine if i were you'd id avoid spending the money on a whole new tablet and wait at least another year or so. Also quad core? what are you possibly going to be running that needs a quad core lol dual core is fast enough for android
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The Xoom specs are fine, but with an attitude like yours towards newer more powerful stuff will only hold innovation back. Rather than saying "we don't need it" we should be saying "lets find something awesome to do with it!"
When the laser was invented people thought it was useless and that nobody would ever need one.
My Verizon Xoom had bloatware loaded too (not much since Honeycomb was a day old when the Xoom was released, and these were not apps I minded-- games and Verizon data manager/account manager). All products offered by carriers have some apps added or mods made (look at the VZW Galaxy Nexus with Google NFC removed). But the OS on the XYBoard looks pretty clean to me-- no Motoblur (OK, the browser icon is squared off), no custom settings beyond the dock setting, only the base Honeycomb widgets, no social networking integration typical of Motoblur, and not even a file manager to play with USB files and no NTFS support is added. I don't see much here that will stand in the way of prompt OS updates. The Asus Eee Pad Transformer has more OS customizations, and Asus manages to get OS updates out very quickly.
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I noticed your review stated Motorola is owned by Google and referred the Xyboard as a GED, but that's not true. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet... And I wouldn't count it a GED since it's got the bloatware on it as well.
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...... no custom settings beyond the dock setting, only the base Honeycomb widgets, no social networking integration typical of Motoblur, and not even a file manager to play with USB files and no NTFS support is added. I don't see much here that will stand in the way of prompt OS updates. The Asus Eee Pad Transformer has more OS customizations, and Asus manages to get OS updates out very quickly.
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Nice review ... from what i understand if you want a biger files than 4gb you will have to format your disk ? what formats android native supports ? most of my usb flash drives are formatted with ext4 ...
Is there any good video player that support mkv 1080 p with this tablet ?
Since it's a Linux format, I'd guess that ext4 would work (I don't have a drive formatted ext4 to test though). FAT32 works, but that's not much help for very large capacity drives.
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Hopefully the following article is misinformed (I do also have a Tab)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/honeycomb-to-require-dual-core-processor-initially-tablet-only/
Otherwise we'll have to wait for devs to port Honeycomb to our tabs. Which may very well not happen since few of them have SGTs (and given the news flow they may very well pass it...) plus our hardware may be too limited (Underpowered processor, too small screen resolution) and we may very well want to pass on honeycomb too (If it's only for tabs and not for phones, forget about phone functionalities...)
Anyway let's just hope this is not true (Would hate to have to dump my tab only after 3 months of use...)
It's not like SGT becomes somehow inferior just because there's a new version of Android. It is a great device as it is.
All the more reason for me to justify picking up a Tab 2 when it is released
I love my tab as it is, and I see that there are already improvements to be made through updates to FroYo, so I am not really worried because I am satisfied even with my stock tab now.
Same here - I bought an unactivated vzw tab, and it just does everything I need. If there's a Tab 2 with Honeycomb, I'll look at it, but with my other android devices, the dev community seems to produce better functionality than the vendors do, and I can hopefully skip all the vendor-installed crap with a clean image when that time arrives.
R.I.P.
These are really bad news for us owners.
Maybe I'll switch to iOS devices then. They're running so much smoother compared to android 2.X devices...
We won't see how good the tab with its powervr 540 graphics would perform with proper hardwareacceleration honeycomb will provide.
And that, ladies and gentlemen is why we're all here on XDA......
The way things are looking, unless Google is planning on HC being a tablet only OS, there will be a basic HC OS for phones and an extra feature set that's unlocked for tablets with dual core procs and 1280 X 720 screens. What may happen is that the 7" tablet will essentially be an oversized phone with XDA hacking it so you can use the tablet features on the 7" tablets.
As a Galaxy Tab owner I'm not really that butthurt by this because I can envision having a camera phone and 7" tablet as mobile devices and a wifi only 12" tablet for home use. If the HC tablet features truly require a larger screen, then I'm content with a 7" tablet that more of a mobile device.
I am a big fan of the 16:9 screen dimension. Better for movies and better for mutli-pane implementation.
The worry I have is this will just cut the spread of SGT buyers. If we end up with a device not very popular and with a small customer/devs base you can forget about any dream of good custom roms or app developments
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HTC is rumored to be releasing a 7" tablet, and the SGT has sold millions in a short amount of time. Unlike the iPhone, there was no carrier based reason to purchase the SGT over the iPad, but people did, in large part due to the form factor. I suspect that the 7" tab will not go away.
LOL, Any body want to sell their antiquated Galaxy Tab?
I've been looking to get one on AT&T or T-Mo... a trade for a mint 16GB iPhone4 perhaps???
FUD
There are no mins for Gingerbread, and IF there are any for Honeycomb, the community devs will pull apart what is a good update for the GTab and cook it up.
Honestly if you are worried, start a fund to get a tab into more dev hands...
lets not forget these are claims and have not been officialy confirmed by Google themselves yet... we still have hope. i don't think Samsung will just abandon us like this. they will probably be expecting to release their next sucessor to the tab in september. honeycomb will come out before then, and hopefully the update will be pushed out to us. the gtab was made in mind to be upgradable to Honeycomb. much like the HD2 was made to be upgradable to WP7... but that never happened.
only time will tell if we get the update.
lets not forget these are claims and have not been officialy confirmed by Google themselves yet... we still have hope. i don't think Samsung will just abandon us like this. they will probably be expecting to release their next sucessor to the tab in september. honeycomb will come out before then, and hopefully the update will be pushed out to us. the gtab was made in mind to be upgradable to Honeycomb. much like the HD2 was made to be upgradable to WP7... but that never happened.
only time will tell if we get the update.
Eh...it's only bad news if you don't like your Tab the way it is now. So it's not bad news for me, it's just more news.
What is bad is how all of a sudden there are so many deals for people to get these Galaxy Tabs. That had dramaticly reduced the cost. My guess that are getting rid of invintory. And it seems this is going on before CES. Just my view
What deals? That $100 Verizon price drop? Good luck finding a Verizon store that will sell one for $500 no-contract, it's a rumor and not official, at least not yet.
The T-Mobile $349 on a 2-year? That's not a price reduction, it's a little lubrication for the contract buttsecks. The Best Buy and Amazon sales? Short term holiday traffic generators. The UK/Euro price drops? Those were adjustments to bring the device in line with US pricing once the North American Tabs were released.
Lets not forget economy of scale, the more they make and sell, the cheaper each individual unit becomes to produce, and they can (and often do) lower prices over the life of a product to reflect this.
As for Honeycomb, Asus just announced a 7" Honeycomb tablet with 1024x600 resolution, so that part of the specs rumor is busted right away.
And any way you slice it, we're looking at March at the very least for a Honeycomb tablet explosion*. That's six months after the Tab launched. That's six months of awesome Tab usage before you should start to get the urge to replace it.
The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
*The Motorola tablet may launch before then, but frankly, I don't give a DAMN about the Motorola tablet, because it's a 10" device and I don't want one of those.
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The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
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i am with u but u need money to burn
Croak said:
The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
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No truer words have been spoken.
You can play the waiting game forever. By the time the Honeycomb tablets are finally in the wild, the next generation tablet hardware / software will already be announced. At some point you just got to buy.
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I just got a tablet running Samsung S5PV210 and I do hope it would be upgrade to honeycomb. The tablet run Android 2.2 OS currently, and its hardware specs. as following on the site where I picked up.
I'm going to contact with the vendor and ask for certain upgrade info.
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As for Honeycomb, Asus just announced a 7" Honeycomb tablet with 1024x600 resolution, so that part of the specs rumor is busted right away.
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I also believe that one of the announced Asus tablets with Honeycomb also has a 1Ghz snapdragon so that busts the Dual Core requirement too.
I'm curious as to what other potential buyers here on XDA plan to do with the Xoom and why they want it. Maybe we can discover new uses through other people?
HD recording and playback will be awesome. I've never owned a webcam, so the Xoom's cam on the front will be fun. I'm very excited for Honeycomb itself, the revamped apps should be really cool! Besides all that, I really like the Xoom's exterior and formfactor compared to some other tablets. The Notion Ink Adam has similar specs, but I simply don't like how it looks. Also, the imposed UI doesn't appeal to me personality.
As far as usage, being a musician, I want to put in all my sheet music/real books to have with me on the gig and for personal practice. Having to print off sheet music and also having to lug everything around isn't very convenient. With the Xoom, I'll have lots of music accessible with just a few clicks! Also, I've gotten quite a few eBooks recently that will be more comfortably read on the Xoom rather than my laptop or my tiny Eris (3.2" screen!)
Ok, I thought this was going to be more about "why Xoom and not another tablet", but reading your post, it sounds more like "what will you do with a tablet". Anyway, why I like the Xoom over other Andro-tablets is the stock Android Honeycomb experience paired with usually reliable Moto hardware. Other tablets are making waves and could steal my vote though, such as the upcoming Toshiba and HTC ones... All high end tablets are likely to feature Android 3.0, dual-core processors, 1Gb RAM, two cameras, 720p recording/1080p playback, HDMI and USB ports, and the usual WiFi and Bluetooth, so the price (and availability in Canada, for me!) will play a big part.
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Ok, I thought this was going to be more about "why Xoom and not another tablet", but reading your post, it sounds more like "what will you do with a tablet". Anyway, why I like the Xoom over other Andro-tablets is the stock Android Honeycomb experience paired with usually reliable Moto hardware. Other tablets are making waves and could steal my vote though, such as the upcoming Toshiba and HTC ones... All high end tablets are likely to feature Android 3.0, dual-core processors, 1Gb RAM, two cameras, 720p recording/1080p playback, HDMI and USB ports, and the usual WiFi and Bluetooth, so the price (and availability in Canada, for me!) will play a big part.
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I edited my first post adequately, thanks! I should have reworded the title.
Yeah, I am curious to see what HTC will come up with, though I really want a tablet now! Motorola has been reliable and blur won't be integrated in, so it should be a great device. However, if the Xoom's pricing is too high I'll probably just wait for a wifi-only device. By that time, there will probably be more info from HTC since leaks from them are common.
Hopefully it'll be available in Canada for you!
will regular android applications work on honeycomb? my main requirement is to use medical programs on android and it s currently running on my fascinate/galaxy tab/ipad.
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will regular android applications work on honeycomb? my main requirement is to use medical programs on android and it s currently running on my fascinate/galaxy tab/ipad.
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From what I know, If they work on your Galaxy Tab they'll work on the Xoom. As you're probably aware of, some apps aren't coded to run on a screen size bigger than a phones, so like in your Tab, they will have be scaled. Honeycomb might compensate somehow though!
As Honeycomb begins to settle, more and more developers will begin to adjust their apps to at least scale to the Xoom's size if not make full use it's screen res.
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I edited my first post adequately, thanks! I should have reworded the title.
Yeah, I am curious to see what HTC will come up with, though I really want a tablet now! Motorola has been reliable and blur won't be integrated in, so it should be a great device. However, if the Xoom's pricing is too high I'll probably just wait for a wifi-only device. By that time, there will probably be more info from HTC since leaks from them are common.
Hopefully it'll be available in Canada for you!
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I am curious just to see what HTC has to offer but I'm pretty sure i want the full Google experience and no sense ui so I definitely want the zoom over any HTC product right now.also HTC needs to start using better processors and screens
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I am curious just to see what HTC has to offer but I'm pretty sure i want the full Google experience and no sense ui so I definitely want the zoom over any HTC product right now.also HTC needs to start using better processors and screens
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And HTC should work on faster OS updates. I'm sticking with the Xoom unless it's too pricey...but even then I'll wait until I can afford it/prices lower! I hope the bootloader isn't locked...
I want it because I actually don't think it's too pricey (assuming 700 is what we're looking at). I'm in the market for a laptop replacement, and with an Android phone and a newly built desktop at home, I just don't need a full blown laptop replacement, especially if I can just remote into my desktop on said tablet. The (likely) dealbreaker for me is a locked bootloader. Has anyone seen any information on the bootloader?
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From what I know, If they work on your Galaxy Tab they'll work on the Xoom. As you're probably aware of, some apps aren't coded to run on a screen size bigger than a phones, so like in your Tab, they will have be scaled. Honeycomb might compensate somehow though!
As Honeycomb begins to settle, more and more developers will begin to adjust their apps to at least scale to the Xoom's size if not make full use it's screen res.
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Thanks, ma42091, for the input. The xoom will be an awesome tablet. Motorola has really step up in terms of top notch specs and design. The competion is really challenging htc and th they have a rumor tablet coming too.
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I want it because I actually don't think it's too pricey (assuming 700 is what we're looking at). I'm in the market for a laptop replacement, and with an Android phone and a newly built desktop at home, I just don't need a full blown laptop replacement, especially if I can just remote into my desktop on said tablet. The (likely) dealbreaker for me is a locked bootloader. Has anyone seen any information on the bootloader?
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It's not too much from what a high-end smartphone costs off-contract now in reality. Though, for a poor college student...
As far as the bootloader, there's no info yet. This is Motorola's latest statement:
We are working closely with our partners to offer a bootloader solution that will enable developers to use our devices as a development platform while still protecting our users' interests. More detailed information will follow as we get closer to availability.
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We'll have to see if anything new info leaks by the Xoom's release, hopefully it'll be unlocked.
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Thanks, ma42091, for the input. The xoom will be an awesome tablet. Motorola has really step up in terms of top notch specs and design. The competion is really challenging htc and th they have a rumor tablet coming too.
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You're welcome. I agree, Motorola has set high standards. Info on one of HTC's tablets is out already: Leak: Topaz Specs (Gizmodo)
The Xoom still looks better!
The Topaz is not an HTC tablet, its an HP WebOS one.
Edit: And now that I hink about it, I honestly do not believe Motorola set the bar high. There are several other tablets running stock Android 3.0 with Tegra 2 processors that are "promised" to be released this year. The few things that seperates this tablet from the others is it being on Verizon, and it being Google's lead Honeycomb device. Heck, in terms of specifications that yet-to-be named Toshiba tablet is already equal to or better than the Xoom, not including the Barometer. The Xoom is not at all a hard device to beat. Especially not in design (my favorite area).
I truly believe the only reason this will be so big is because of Verizon's power. Some say that they made Android what it is today because of the Droid line. With Verizon behind it this tablet will be successful. A very good competitor to the iPad.
Actually the Toshiba tab has only been said to be a tegra 2 processor, they havent given the full specs yet. Also you have to worry about updates, the 1st Droid on vzw because of stock android got all the Google updates before most devices on the market except the nexus. I'm pretty sure this pad will be getting updates long before any other pads out there
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Actually the Toshiba tab has only been said to be a tegra 2 processor, they havent given the full specs yet. Also you have to worry about updates, the 1st Droid on vzw because of stock android got all the Google updates before most devices on the market except the nexus. I'm pretty sure this pad will be getting updates long before any other pads out there
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Go here for the Toshiba tablet specs:
http://www.thetoshibatablet.com/
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Actually the Toshiba tab has only been said to be a tegra 2 processor, they havent given the full specs yet. Also you have to worry about updates, the 1st Droid on vzw because of stock android got all the Google updates before most devices on the market except the nexus. I'm pretty sure this pad will be getting updates long before any other pads out there
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Most if not all of the specs for the Toshiba Tab have been released on it's website: www.thetoshibatablet.com. And yes, I did take the update situation into consideration with my previous post. Hence the "because it is Google's lead device.."
Seems like a nice pad but I couldn't figure out how much memory it comes with? I plan on using about 25gbs just for music, I never plan on hooking this (or my sd card)to my desktop for music again. Also I don't see myself ever buying a Toshiba product, I would prefer LG slate over this but that's just me. If this pad has 32gb on board memory the only reason it will be cheaper is because of no 3g an obviously its Toshiba. Another thing don't drop it, it's not made with the gorilla glass so bumps and drops can crack the screen easily
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I have T-Mobile so I actually did take the LG-G Slate into consideration, but with an 8.9" screen I said never mind. Also, I'm sure Toshiba's tab will be "decent". Judging from photos, and small previews, people seem ok with the device so far.
Galaxy Tab running Honeycomb with a Super AMOLED display and LTE radio is my dream tablet. The Xoom and all the new tabs look amazing but after extensive use of the Galaxy Tab and the iPad in various situations, I find the iPad and soon to be Xoom sized tabs to be just slighty cumbersome on the whole. Though let me reitterate the 'on the whole' part because there certainly were circumstances where the extra real estate of the 10 inch tab was definately prefered. Anyone else have a similar or differing experience?
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The Topaz is not an HTC tablet, its an HP WebOS one.
Edit: And now that I hink about it, I honestly do not believe Motorola set the bar high. There are several other tablets running stock Android 3.0 with Tegra 2 processors that are "promised" to be released this year. The few things that seperates this tablet from the others is it being on Verizon, and it being Google's lead Honeycomb device. Heck, in terms of specifications that yet-to-be named Toshiba tablet is already equal to or better than the Xoom, not including the Barometer. The Xoom is not at all a hard device to beat. Especially not in design (my favorite area).
I truly believe the only reason this will be so big is because of Verizon's power. Some say that they made Android what it is today because of the Droid line. With Verizon behind it this tablet will be successful. A very good competitor to the iPad.
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Argh, don't know why I thought it was HTC!
I had not seen specs for the Toshiba tablet until this morning. Looks pretty good. Looking at that, It does make the Xoom look like it's not hard to beat. As you said, the Xoom will be successful because it's the first Honeycomb tablet and it'll be under Verizon. Motorola has hinted at a Wifi-only and different sizes (7" variant?) as well, which will help later on in the year.
However, there's always something coming that's better with mobile devices. I want a tablet now, the Xoom is what I'm going to get!
Besides, even if it does become overshadowed by over tablets this year, I won't mind--I'm still rockin' a HTC Droid Eris proudly!
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Galaxy Tab running Honeycomb with a Super AMOLED display and LTE radio is my dream tablet. The Xoom and all the new tabs look amazing but after extensive use of the Galaxy Tab and the iPad in various situations, I find the iPad and soon to be Xoom sized tabs to be just slighty cumbersome on the whole. Though let me reitterate the 'on the whole' part because there certainly were circumstances where the extra real estate of the 10 inch tab was definately prefered. Anyone else have a similar or differing experience?
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There's supposed to be a Galaxy Tab 2, wonder what that will have in store. Motorola has hinted at releasing different sizes of the Xoom later on too. I personally want the larger screen size though for pdfs, documents, movies, etc
Played with the xoom today, I will be getting one. And yes the software is done and doesn't crash. I can't wait for this device. It is alot heavier then you expect but is soooooo sexy
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Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.
I've had the same thought, but since my GF got it for me for X-mas, I'm gonna keep using it, and give it back to her when I can afford a XOOM
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Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.
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I got the tab in January and so far other than gaining root haven’t done anything else with it, the mobility factor is a big plus no question about it, but then I got the xoom on launching day and now I really like them both…so if or when you do it you will appreciate the differences.
I think the Devs have nothing to do with your decision.
I really like the form factor, but performance is an issue with my tab. and with the dev community not really huge, i feel left out of so much with all of these honeycomb tegra2 tablets coming out. I just really feel that Samsung really jumped the gun with the tab. releasing it with no hopes of any real update. Then pretty much rubbing it in our face by releasing 2 more tabs that are far more superior. makes me feel like i made a bad investment by falling for their trickery.
Maybe SGT 8.9 if released with similar specs as of the xoom. and reasonably priced
The tegra processors and Honycomb make our tab look outdated already but IMO the differences are not that big unless one expects too much from a tablet; is not going to replace our laptops yet…as for sami updating my hopes are nonexistent. I was in Germany recently when a saw the tab of a friend of mine, phone working etc I turned green . My biggest beef is with the carriers here in the US that crippled the device.
tegra 2 isnt a device without their own problem
like not able to play 720p mkv movies unless it converted on a specific format
that would be a problem to some people
and is there really a lot of app that dual core ready anyway?
afaik, for normal process, only 1 core would work unless there's a need for the 2nd core?
jumping too soon on honeycomb with limited apps wouldnt make that much of a difference either
and did you say saving up? how long? ^^
if it took months, who knows we already got honeycomb or ice cream on the way on our tab?
honeycomb, i doubt, but the next generation for smartphone definitely gonna be ported to our tab IMO
my main interest in this tab is phone capability, so unless there's another contender out there, i'm still gonna keep this one
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Then pretty much rubbing it in our face by releasing 2 more tabs that are far more superior. makes me feel like i made a bad investment by falling for their trickery.
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I'm trying to see what trickery Samsung have fooled you with here?
The 7" Tab was sold as an Android 2.2 device, with no promise of a Honeycomb update, and that's what they delivered.
We may, or may not get an official upgrade, which may be Honeycomb, or perhaps Gingerbread, but the Tab is still a very capable and useful device as is IMO. I do believe that we will at least get an unofficial Honeycomb ROM once the source code drops.
None of the upcoming tablets can replace my Tab because they are too big for my purposes, though I may end up getting a bigger tablet purely for home use.
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For me its all about size, the 10s are just to big to carry around comfortably. Might as well continue to carry my Dell mini9 laptop. I dont require much from my tab maybe thats why Im happy with the 7.
Remember no matter what you buy it has a good 6 months of obsolescence built in
I think most devs wait for the honeycomb source... no one wants a broken sdk port on an expensive device...
As soon as HC hits aosp I'll contribute developing.
And the xoom community won't move very fast with development for the first six months either. And with that price, probably not much development after that.
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And the xoom community won't move very fast with development for the first six months either. And with that price, probably not much development after that.
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Agreed. The xoom may be "developer friendly" but it is way too expensive to mess around with.. the galaxy tab gets cheaper and cheaper and will attract more devs too over time.
Why are we comparing the Tab and the Xoom? Two totally different niches. Anyone buying a Tab should know what they are getting, and most that do are getting them for a reason. 7 inches, and a solid product with the full Android Market without having to push it onto the device.
I have three different 7 inch tablets right now (had a 4th, but the Dell Streak 7 is dismal) and the Galaxy Tab is BY FAR the best of the three. The NookColor is fun, and is running dual-boot Honeycomb (port from sdk) and froyo. It's overclocked to 1.1Ghz and is primarily used by my wife as an e-reader (which is what B&N intended), though she likes firing up Angry Birds, etc.
The Archos 70 Internet Tablet is running 2.2.1..and is slim and can handle just about ANY media thrown it's way. Archos is a leader in Media devices, having created the HDD portable Music player before anyone else (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos)...including Apple. It's hands down the best for watching movies. However it's flimsy and buggy...Archos sucks at support, truly. Plus, there's not much in the way of accessories for it. I had the 10.1 also...but sold it.
My Tab gets the most use...as I swap my phone's sim into it quite frequently. And it handles pretty much everything I want it to do. Out of the 3, theres no comparison as to my satisfaction.
If I wanted another 10" Tablet...and wanted Honeycomb right now, I STILL would not get the Xoom. I can afford it, but that doesn't mean I want to plunk down $800 on something obviously rushed out of production. Too many things wrong with this early adopter device.
Here's to hoping the incoming 8.9' Galaxy Tab has some of the kinks worked out...cuz I'm gonna pounce on it right away. 10.1" prolly not, the form factor just too large for my usage.
Whatever some people get, they will NEVER be satisfied
hehe...truly, and that's why my wife calls me a gadget whore...just have to have em all. Could be worse in her eyes, at least I'm loyal to her
kenfly said:
Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.
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If you bought a tablet based on the dev community then you were wrong to do that in the first place. You buy something for what it is, not what it may be based on some random people messing around with roms.
I can't see how a 10" Xoom could possibly be a replacement for the 7" SGT. One you can carry around with you, use in your car, act as a backup phone, and the other is mostly a stay at home couch device. Personally I think the Xoom is a bit of a let down on things it should be better at - like playing high bitrate movies. SGT blows it away on that score. The SGT build and screen is also very high quality. As good as my iPad 1 (which I've not really touched since the SGT came along. Never mind how I've come to despise the Apple lock-in methodology...).
Honeycomb looks like it will be a great update when the bugs are ironed out, but Froyo (maybe Gingerbread soon) on the SGT currently makes more sense as the device really is closer to a phone than a tablet (and I'm personally happy that it is). Ice Cream Sandwich looks like it will be the natural OS upgrade for this device, as it will combine Honeycomb UI changes with smartphone functionality. Whether Samsung will release it for the SGT in the coming months is anyone's guess, but for now I'm rocking the Tab. For a couch device I'll see what the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is like (hopefully they'll find a fix for the video snafu), but none of the Tegra 2 SoC based tablets are wowing me at the moment.
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hehe...truly, and that's why my wife calls me a gadget whore...just have to have em all. Could be worse in her eyes, at least I'm loyal to her
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I'm one too. I hide some from my wife too, so that makes me some kind of addict! But she uses the RAZR we got many years ago.
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I'm one too. I hide some from my wife too, so that makes me some kind of addict! But she uses the RAZR we got many years ago.
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Lol...not mine, she's become a gadget snob. Though she won't admit it, she's glad to be cutting edge. I see it when her girlfriends drool over the cool gadgets she totes around, lmao. We'll go get coffee, and she will look to see who noticed her pretty NookColor while she's reading and surfing the internets.
So you're selling a device because people aren't modding it? IMHO that's a ridiculous reason to sell this amazing piece of tech.
And im guessing one main reason is Honeycomb because, lets face it, its what everyone wants in a tablet. Then why not buy a Nook? You complain lack of development, the Nook Honeycomb port is better than anything they'll ever do with the Xoom.
Still, just my opinion. I'm keeping my Tab until it dies, then ill get another one.
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and..truly one of these days someone WILL put out an Android device that doesn't need modding! Might be 3 years from now...with 8 core cpu & AirWave connectivity (5+TB wireless connection passed through our existing electrical cables that are strung on the poles...or passed through now vacated VHF / UHF signals...yeah, I can dream BIG!)
But you will only be able to get 3g data or 2g+ voice.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11/01/motorola-xoom-2-ad-confirms-honeycomb-and-pre-christmas-launch-will-likely-retail-for-400/
Well if Moto are going for a 2011 release there's no way they could shoehorn ICS on there before it hits the shops. Better to get the hardware out and selling and work on an ICS upgrade in the background once they have the source.
Well how many people on here would install another rom, install adw ex or multilive wallpaper? So what difference does it make which OS it has.
It would make no difference to me if it had froyo, i had froyo on my 7' galaxy tab and still use all the same apps and widgets on my xoom. So what does it matter?
With ICS you can have a fingerprint unlocker? woopeee dog doo! utter worthless sales mode crap!
Let's have a fingerprint unlocker, but we won't have micro sd card expansion so we can have a thin device, i think these tablet developers are brain damaged!
I would absolutely love and use a fingerprint unlocker! I synch with 2 Exchange servers that require a device unlock PIN every time I turn it on. Not sales crap - a very useful feature for some of us.
not sure if i get the point of them releasing it with only a dual core...
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not sure if i get the point of them releasing it with only a dual core...
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I think they're trying to target the consumer market. Xoom 1 was best of CES and first device honeycomb. I think first device with honeycomb means a lot because the ui was designed almost exclusively for xoom 1. Xoom 2 is not innovative but lighter weight and better screen for $200 less than xoom 1 (589 vs ~389) could do wonders for moto who posted a 3rd quarter loss. If xoom 2 is the first tablet to get ics that may help it out otherwise ics on xoom1 will hopefully satisfy my needs until octacore xoom 3 comes out
Xoom 2 looks like it has a ui skin. Big problem for me.
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>not sure if i get the point of them releasing it with only a dual core...
One major reason is being able to play most videos w/o need to convert, thanks to OMAP4's better multimedia support. For regular people, it means smooth HD Netflix & Hulu streaming. It's a big use-case. In addition to being thinner, lighter, more stylish, etc.
I agree it's not a big jump functionality-wise. Having ICS onboard would've been a more compelling sell, but ICS didn't make the deadline. Regardless, the new Moto line-up is much improved over the old.
>I think they're trying to target the consumer market.
Only for the Xoom Family, which is $350-ish now at BestBuy. The 8.2" Xoom 2 Media Edition will be for €400 (one can assume the same for the US), and is targeted at the under-10" segment.
The 10" Xoom 2 is targeted at the business crowd, mainly by its software load-out. Extrapolating from the announced UK pricing (£325+VAT vs ME's £299), it'll probably go for USD$450.
To sum: Xoom Family $350, Xoom 2 Media 8.2" $400, Xoom 2 10.1" $450.
The emphasis on "value pricing" (read: cheaper than iPad's $500) was made clear by Moto CEO when he said that pricing was something they'd work to bring down. I am a little surprised by the narrow price band--only $100 spacing between high and low-end. It may well be because of ICS' inavailability, which makes a more ambitious roll-out problematic.
Also, Moto is in a major transition of its own, being integrated into Goog, so it has other concerns at the moment.
Does anyone one knows any more info about this tablet? I can't find a decent video review. I am interested buying the media edition.
ICS will come later as an update. As for "When?", well... It's Motorola. Your guess is as good as mine.
The specs on this new tablet are indeed outdated considering new tablets coming in the next 3 months will mostly feature quadcore (or at least much faster hardware). The only way this tablet could be successful is if it allows them to sell it quite cheaper than the quadcore tablets. That could provide a very interesting mid-range product. So, pricing will either make, or break this product IMHO.
See Motorola is not equal to Asus
Motorola new Tablet dual core processor, less internal memory upgrade to ICS as they said.... in due course
Asus 32gig Quad Core same price as Motorola Dual Core 16gig Xoom 2. Upgrade to ICS they said before Christmas
I was surprised that they would release the Xoom 2 with the lackluster hardware and no ICS. What's the huge improvement? Apart from the fact that there's some nice but non-essential upgrades. Spill resistant Screen, shiny metal back, Rear Camera Centered, Power button on the side and not the back, Speakers centered, Grooved corners for easier holding.
My favorite being IT CHARGES OFF OF MICRO USB.
That would of been nice (and expected I would say) on our OG Xooms.
Also w/ Google acquiring Motorola and not releasing ICS on the Xoom 2 right away, I think, shows that Google is not out to play favorites since they acquired a hardware manufacturer. This should give the other big Android manufacturers warm feelings; HTC/Samsung/LG.
I could be wrong but just wanted to put my word in there.
Personally, I think once the Xoom 2 hits shelves, Moto could careless about the OG Xoom and we will be LUCKY to get ICS. I have not used my Xoom in a while since I now prefer my Samsung Galaxy Player 5.0 with a 32GB Class 10 Micro SD (and unlike the GED Xoom I can actually use it to move around files) and I use my Blackberry Playbook for $199. I happen to like the smaller form factor.
The OG Xoom will be forgotten by Moto soon and we will be left to XDA to update our devices;(
I really want a a premium tablet that weight less than 450 gr and is no bigger than 8.9 inch . I have a 7 inch tablet and i want my new one to be a bit bigger . Xoom 2 media edition has what i need . But nobody seems to care about it and every one want transformer prime for its tegra 3 . i am a bit afraid to buy it because i cant find any info on this tablet . Does the media edition has the digitiser to make active stylus work or not ? How is the the battery life on this tablet ? Will the xda community support this tablet or motorolla will just sell few and no one will care to built a custom rom ? I usually i am not an early adopter on products .... Do you have any suggestions for others tablets that will suits my needs ?
I read somewhere that Motorola would not lower the price of the Xoom becausenof the Xoom2, but I can't believe this statement. My guess is that there will be big discounts on the first model. What do you think about this ?
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Also w/ Google acquiring Motorola and not releasing ICS on the Xoom 2 right away, I think, shows that Google is not out to play favorites since they acquired a hardware manufacturer. This should give the other big Android manufacturers warm feelings; HTC/Samsung/LG.
I could be wrong but just wanted to put my word in there.
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Yeah, I think you are wrong. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet. That deal has yet to be finalized or even passed.
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How is the the buttery life on this tablet ?
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It's great as long as you don't leave it near sources of heat.
I'm sorry
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Yeah, I think you are wrong. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet. That deal has yet to be finalized or even passed.
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Correct, the deal hasn't closed yet. I think just recently around the 15th 99% of Motorola Shareholders approved of the merger. Most recently I think they're getting approval/clearance from the European Commission.
So hopefully January-February the deal will be finalized.
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It's great as long as you don't leave it near sources of heat.
I'm sorry
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Hey guys, the Prime specs have just been released, is anyone contemplating getting the Prime? Asus has so far has a good track record with updates and also the Prime is going to be getting ICS. Will you be keeping your Xoom? Or will you be trading it in for the new quad-core tablet? I love my Xoom and it will only get better with the ICS update and the source released so the devs will truly be able to do their magic but, the Prime looks pretty good and its tempting seeing as it lines up with Christmas.
Link for the specs.
I personally will be holding onto the Xoom until further notice. The Prime is only the first of many quad core tablets lined up for release, like how the Xoom was for Honeycomb. I am a hardcore Droid fan since the launch of the OG Droid, thus I will get a quad core tablet when Motorola launches theirs. I have been waiting very patiently for a quad core tablet since late last year, and I can hold out awhile longer knowing the great ones are on their way.
As tempting as the Prime is, I can control the urge to buy. The Xoom can be overclocked quite high without terrible loss in battery life, and it zips along with great speed. No worries for me!
I need Verizon LTE so no upgrade for me until a quad core LTE table launches.
Holding out for something better. I want to see more ram in the two to four GB range and a higher definition screen .
these arguments are exactly what is kind of preventing me from getting a prime. Also the fact that development will be slow and that the full potential of the prime may not be unlocked until other tabs pop up later... Also in the games arena, tegra3 dedicated games may not come out for a while if at all? so just cuz you have a quad core, you may still only get the same user defined power as our xoom (not sure on that this is my own assumption at present)
Well it looks like my xoom is going to be like my alienware m9700. Old as dust and still kicking butt! I just don't see enough of a performance jump in the tegra 3. Shadowgun plays just as smooth on the xoom, so do videos. I want to see a tablet that supports USB burners, hdd, printers, and everything else my laptop does. Without a damn keyboard!!! I can do everything with my xoom except burn dvd's.
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i'll use my Xoom until it can't perform as good as I need it too..
I am not doing anything massive with my Xoom so I imagine it will be kicking along until Android x.x won't install on it anymore.
I'm finding it hard to resist the Prime tbh. I'm a bit of a gadget freak and I really like the look of the Prime. That said, I'm sure my Mrs would go ballistic if I bought another tablet before I'd had the Xoom even a year...!
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... I'm sure my Mrs would go ballistic if I bought another tablet before I'd had the Xoom even a year...!
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I'd go ballistic, if I had to justify what I spend my money on
BTT:
Well, I never liked Asus-products' look and feel (lol @ the transformer) and I can't think of a real benefit right NOW. So I'll wait for something "better" ...
NO LTE, no Tablet for me
I love the specs on the Prime. It's like a Xoom only better in just about every way (not to say that I don't already love my Xoom) but until they make a LTE version I won't be buying. I am not going to hassle with Tethering or have to wait until I have Wi-Fi. When I really use my tablet is when I am not at home or not at work and often traveling.
I would love the faster Browsing speed though, Quad Core with LTE = kick butt browsing.
Dan
The Asus Prime is very competitively priced. It's actually the same price as the first TF 32GB when it was announced, and it'll probably be lower than the Xoom2 10" at 32GB. A little surprising for Asus, who were positioning themselves as a premium brand. Then again, it's hard to buck the $500 ceiling set by the iPad.
Nice to see the price competition. Although personally I'm not a fan of the hybrid package, and the Prime's ergonomics is wanting. But it looks great, which is what matters.
I'd like to see performance benchmarks vs OMAP4, and also the rooting issue. Some of the Asus TF B70 stepping models (going back since August) still haven't been rooted.
>I would love the faster Browsing speed though, Quad Core with LTE = kick butt browsing.
If you need a quad to web browse, then the problem is the OS & software, which for Android at the moment is still kind of true.
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The Asus Prime is very competitively priced. It's actually the same price as the first TF 32GB when it was announced, and it'll probably be lower than the Xoom2 10" at 32GB. A little surprising for Asus, who were positioning themselves as a premium brand. Then again, it's hard to buck the $500 ceiling set by the iPad.
Nice to see the price competition. Although personally I'm not a fan of the hybrid package, and the Prime's ergonomics is wanting. But it looks great, which is what matters.
I'd like to see performance benchmarks vs OMAP4, and also the rooting issue. Some of the Asus TF B70 stepping models (going back since August) still haven't been rooted.
>I would love the faster Browsing speed though, Quad Core with LTE = kick butt browsing.
If you need a quad to web browse, then the problem is the OS & software, which for Android at the moment is still kind of true.
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This is so true, a single core @ 1ghz should be more than enough for basic trivial tasks.
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Hey guys, the Prime specs have just been released, is anyone contemplating getting the Prime? Asus has so far has a good track record with updates and also the Prime is going to be getting ICS. Will you be keeping your Xoom? Or will you be trading it in for the new quad-core tablet? I love my Xoom and it will only get better with the ICS update and the source released so the devs will truly be able to do their magic but, the Prime looks pretty good and its tempting seeing as it lines up with Christmas.
Link for the specs.
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I'm thinking about giving the Xoom to my daughter or wife and getting the Prime.
The Xoom 2 looks a little uninteresting ....
(it's not about the quad-core, I rarely need duo-core)
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I'm thinking about giving the Xoom to my daughter or wife and getting the Prime.
The Xoom 2 looks a little uninteresting ....
(it's not about the quad-core, I rarely need duo-core)
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Hey, that's a good idea. The Mrs might not be so angry if I give her the Xoom. Although... just thinking here... she'll probably make the argument that she should have the lighter of the two. Hmm. This will require some thought.
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Hey, that's a good idea. The Mrs might not be so angry if I give her the Xoom. Although... just thinking here... she'll probably make the argument that she should have the lighter of the two. Hmm. This will require some thought.
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Lol think again...wives are pissed when they get the hand me down and you get the hot new ****! She will want to know why she doesn't get the new tablet since you already have the Xoom!
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Lol think again...wives are pissed when they get the hand me down and you get the hot new ****! She will want to know why she doesn't get the new tablet since you already have the Xoom!
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Simple answer though... because I'm paying for it.
Now... whether that would work...?
I about to sell my xoom, and waiting for Prime. But then, i -rethinking that i bought my xoom for $530.If i want sell it now, i would lose around $200. It's not worth. So i guess i keep my xoom, waiting for ICS. And i'll buy a new Window 8 tablet.
I hope Tegra 3 can play any video you throw at it without the need to convert. It may be worth to upgrade to one if I have the money to do so.
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Lol think again...wives are pissed when they get the hand me down and you get the hot new ****! She will want to know why she doesn't get the new tablet since you already have the Xoom!
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My wife is always quite happy to get my tech hand me downs. Especially since they're usually about 6 months old and like new.
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I hope Tegra 3 can play any video you throw at it without the need to convert. It may be worth to upgrade to one if I have the money to do so.
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That's one of the reasons I'm considering the Prime.
I assume you're talking about hi-res and not just file format? MX Player Pro's codec package will play about any file format on my Xoom without the need to convert.
But the Xoom doesn't have enough power to play hi-res MOV's. Maybe the Tegra 3 will .... we'll see.
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I hope Tegra 3 can play any video you throw at it without the need to convert. It may be worth to upgrade to one if I have the money to do so.
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Have you tried Dice Player? I just watched Rise of the Planet of the Apes in high Res 720p without any problems.
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