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Bad news for Tab owners

Hopefully the following article is misinformed (I do also have a Tab)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/honeycomb-to-require-dual-core-processor-initially-tablet-only/
Otherwise we'll have to wait for devs to port Honeycomb to our tabs. Which may very well not happen since few of them have SGTs (and given the news flow they may very well pass it...) plus our hardware may be too limited (Underpowered processor, too small screen resolution) and we may very well want to pass on honeycomb too (If it's only for tabs and not for phones, forget about phone functionalities...)
Anyway let's just hope this is not true (Would hate to have to dump my tab only after 3 months of use...)

It's not like SGT becomes somehow inferior just because there's a new version of Android. It is a great device as it is.

All the more reason for me to justify picking up a Tab 2 when it is released
I love my tab as it is, and I see that there are already improvements to be made through updates to FroYo, so I am not really worried because I am satisfied even with my stock tab now.

Same here - I bought an unactivated vzw tab, and it just does everything I need. If there's a Tab 2 with Honeycomb, I'll look at it, but with my other android devices, the dev community seems to produce better functionality than the vendors do, and I can hopefully skip all the vendor-installed crap with a clean image when that time arrives.

R.I.P.
These are really bad news for us owners.
Maybe I'll switch to iOS devices then. They're running so much smoother compared to android 2.X devices...
We won't see how good the tab with its powervr 540 graphics would perform with proper hardwareacceleration honeycomb will provide.

And that, ladies and gentlemen is why we're all here on XDA......

The way things are looking, unless Google is planning on HC being a tablet only OS, there will be a basic HC OS for phones and an extra feature set that's unlocked for tablets with dual core procs and 1280 X 720 screens. What may happen is that the 7" tablet will essentially be an oversized phone with XDA hacking it so you can use the tablet features on the 7" tablets.
As a Galaxy Tab owner I'm not really that butthurt by this because I can envision having a camera phone and 7" tablet as mobile devices and a wifi only 12" tablet for home use. If the HC tablet features truly require a larger screen, then I'm content with a 7" tablet that more of a mobile device.
I am a big fan of the 16:9 screen dimension. Better for movies and better for mutli-pane implementation.

The worry I have is this will just cut the spread of SGT buyers. If we end up with a device not very popular and with a small customer/devs base you can forget about any dream of good custom roms or app developments
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HTC is rumored to be releasing a 7" tablet, and the SGT has sold millions in a short amount of time. Unlike the iPhone, there was no carrier based reason to purchase the SGT over the iPad, but people did, in large part due to the form factor. I suspect that the 7" tab will not go away.

LOL, Any body want to sell their antiquated Galaxy Tab?
I've been looking to get one on AT&T or T-Mo... a trade for a mint 16GB iPhone4 perhaps???

FUD
There are no mins for Gingerbread, and IF there are any for Honeycomb, the community devs will pull apart what is a good update for the GTab and cook it up.
Honestly if you are worried, start a fund to get a tab into more dev hands...

lets not forget these are claims and have not been officialy confirmed by Google themselves yet... we still have hope. i don't think Samsung will just abandon us like this. they will probably be expecting to release their next sucessor to the tab in september. honeycomb will come out before then, and hopefully the update will be pushed out to us. the gtab was made in mind to be upgradable to Honeycomb. much like the HD2 was made to be upgradable to WP7... but that never happened.
only time will tell if we get the update.

lets not forget these are claims and have not been officialy confirmed by Google themselves yet... we still have hope. i don't think Samsung will just abandon us like this. they will probably be expecting to release their next sucessor to the tab in september. honeycomb will come out before then, and hopefully the update will be pushed out to us. the gtab was made in mind to be upgradable to Honeycomb. much like the HD2 was made to be upgradable to WP7... but that never happened.
only time will tell if we get the update.

Eh...it's only bad news if you don't like your Tab the way it is now. So it's not bad news for me, it's just more news.

What is bad is how all of a sudden there are so many deals for people to get these Galaxy Tabs. That had dramaticly reduced the cost. My guess that are getting rid of invintory. And it seems this is going on before CES. Just my view

What deals? That $100 Verizon price drop? Good luck finding a Verizon store that will sell one for $500 no-contract, it's a rumor and not official, at least not yet.
The T-Mobile $349 on a 2-year? That's not a price reduction, it's a little lubrication for the contract buttsecks. The Best Buy and Amazon sales? Short term holiday traffic generators. The UK/Euro price drops? Those were adjustments to bring the device in line with US pricing once the North American Tabs were released.
Lets not forget economy of scale, the more they make and sell, the cheaper each individual unit becomes to produce, and they can (and often do) lower prices over the life of a product to reflect this.
As for Honeycomb, Asus just announced a 7" Honeycomb tablet with 1024x600 resolution, so that part of the specs rumor is busted right away.
And any way you slice it, we're looking at March at the very least for a Honeycomb tablet explosion*. That's six months after the Tab launched. That's six months of awesome Tab usage before you should start to get the urge to replace it.
The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
*The Motorola tablet may launch before then, but frankly, I don't give a DAMN about the Motorola tablet, because it's a 10" device and I don't want one of those.

Croak said:
The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
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i am with u but u need money to burn

Croak said:
The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
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No truer words have been spoken.
You can play the waiting game forever. By the time the Honeycomb tablets are finally in the wild, the next generation tablet hardware / software will already be announced. At some point you just got to buy.
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I just got a tablet running Samsung S5PV210 and I do hope it would be upgrade to honeycomb. The tablet run Android 2.2 OS currently, and its hardware specs. as following on the site where I picked up.
I'm going to contact with the vendor and ask for certain upgrade info.

Croak said:
As for Honeycomb, Asus just announced a 7" Honeycomb tablet with 1024x600 resolution, so that part of the specs rumor is busted right away.
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I also believe that one of the announced Asus tablets with Honeycomb also has a 1Ghz snapdragon so that busts the Dual Core requirement too.

My Opinion

Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.

I've had the same thought, but since my GF got it for me for X-mas, I'm gonna keep using it, and give it back to her when I can afford a XOOM
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kenfly said:
Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.
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I got the tab in January and so far other than gaining root haven’t done anything else with it, the mobility factor is a big plus no question about it, but then I got the xoom on launching day and now I really like them both…so if or when you do it you will appreciate the differences.
I think the Devs have nothing to do with your decision.

I really like the form factor, but performance is an issue with my tab. and with the dev community not really huge, i feel left out of so much with all of these honeycomb tegra2 tablets coming out. I just really feel that Samsung really jumped the gun with the tab. releasing it with no hopes of any real update. Then pretty much rubbing it in our face by releasing 2 more tabs that are far more superior. makes me feel like i made a bad investment by falling for their trickery.
Maybe SGT 8.9 if released with similar specs as of the xoom. and reasonably priced

The tegra processors and Honycomb make our tab look outdated already but IMO the differences are not that big unless one expects too much from a tablet; is not going to replace our laptops yet…as for sami updating my hopes are nonexistent. I was in Germany recently when a saw the tab of a friend of mine, phone working etc I turned green . My biggest beef is with the carriers here in the US that crippled the device.

tegra 2 isnt a device without their own problem
like not able to play 720p mkv movies unless it converted on a specific format
that would be a problem to some people
and is there really a lot of app that dual core ready anyway?
afaik, for normal process, only 1 core would work unless there's a need for the 2nd core?
jumping too soon on honeycomb with limited apps wouldnt make that much of a difference either
and did you say saving up? how long? ^^
if it took months, who knows we already got honeycomb or ice cream on the way on our tab?
honeycomb, i doubt, but the next generation for smartphone definitely gonna be ported to our tab IMO
my main interest in this tab is phone capability, so unless there's another contender out there, i'm still gonna keep this one

kenfly said:
Then pretty much rubbing it in our face by releasing 2 more tabs that are far more superior. makes me feel like i made a bad investment by falling for their trickery.
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I'm trying to see what trickery Samsung have fooled you with here?
The 7" Tab was sold as an Android 2.2 device, with no promise of a Honeycomb update, and that's what they delivered.
We may, or may not get an official upgrade, which may be Honeycomb, or perhaps Gingerbread, but the Tab is still a very capable and useful device as is IMO. I do believe that we will at least get an unofficial Honeycomb ROM once the source code drops.
None of the upcoming tablets can replace my Tab because they are too big for my purposes, though I may end up getting a bigger tablet purely for home use.
Regards,
Dave

For me its all about size, the 10s are just to big to carry around comfortably. Might as well continue to carry my Dell mini9 laptop. I dont require much from my tab maybe thats why Im happy with the 7.
Remember no matter what you buy it has a good 6 months of obsolescence built in

I think most devs wait for the honeycomb source... no one wants a broken sdk port on an expensive device...
As soon as HC hits aosp I'll contribute developing.

And the xoom community won't move very fast with development for the first six months either. And with that price, probably not much development after that.

rangercaptain said:
And the xoom community won't move very fast with development for the first six months either. And with that price, probably not much development after that.
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Agreed. The xoom may be "developer friendly" but it is way too expensive to mess around with.. the galaxy tab gets cheaper and cheaper and will attract more devs too over time.

Why are we comparing the Tab and the Xoom? Two totally different niches. Anyone buying a Tab should know what they are getting, and most that do are getting them for a reason. 7 inches, and a solid product with the full Android Market without having to push it onto the device.
I have three different 7 inch tablets right now (had a 4th, but the Dell Streak 7 is dismal) and the Galaxy Tab is BY FAR the best of the three. The NookColor is fun, and is running dual-boot Honeycomb (port from sdk) and froyo. It's overclocked to 1.1Ghz and is primarily used by my wife as an e-reader (which is what B&N intended), though she likes firing up Angry Birds, etc.
The Archos 70 Internet Tablet is running 2.2.1..and is slim and can handle just about ANY media thrown it's way. Archos is a leader in Media devices, having created the HDD portable Music player before anyone else (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos)...including Apple. It's hands down the best for watching movies. However it's flimsy and buggy...Archos sucks at support, truly. Plus, there's not much in the way of accessories for it. I had the 10.1 also...but sold it.
My Tab gets the most use...as I swap my phone's sim into it quite frequently. And it handles pretty much everything I want it to do. Out of the 3, theres no comparison as to my satisfaction.
If I wanted another 10" Tablet...and wanted Honeycomb right now, I STILL would not get the Xoom. I can afford it, but that doesn't mean I want to plunk down $800 on something obviously rushed out of production. Too many things wrong with this early adopter device.
Here's to hoping the incoming 8.9' Galaxy Tab has some of the kinks worked out...cuz I'm gonna pounce on it right away. 10.1" prolly not, the form factor just too large for my usage.

Whatever some people get, they will NEVER be satisfied

hehe...truly, and that's why my wife calls me a gadget whore...just have to have em all. Could be worse in her eyes, at least I'm loyal to her

kenfly said:
Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.
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If you bought a tablet based on the dev community then you were wrong to do that in the first place. You buy something for what it is, not what it may be based on some random people messing around with roms.
I can't see how a 10" Xoom could possibly be a replacement for the 7" SGT. One you can carry around with you, use in your car, act as a backup phone, and the other is mostly a stay at home couch device. Personally I think the Xoom is a bit of a let down on things it should be better at - like playing high bitrate movies. SGT blows it away on that score. The SGT build and screen is also very high quality. As good as my iPad 1 (which I've not really touched since the SGT came along. Never mind how I've come to despise the Apple lock-in methodology...).
Honeycomb looks like it will be a great update when the bugs are ironed out, but Froyo (maybe Gingerbread soon) on the SGT currently makes more sense as the device really is closer to a phone than a tablet (and I'm personally happy that it is). Ice Cream Sandwich looks like it will be the natural OS upgrade for this device, as it will combine Honeycomb UI changes with smartphone functionality. Whether Samsung will release it for the SGT in the coming months is anyone's guess, but for now I'm rocking the Tab. For a couch device I'll see what the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is like (hopefully they'll find a fix for the video snafu), but none of the Tegra 2 SoC based tablets are wowing me at the moment.

Bandage said:
hehe...truly, and that's why my wife calls me a gadget whore...just have to have em all. Could be worse in her eyes, at least I'm loyal to her
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I'm one too. I hide some from my wife too, so that makes me some kind of addict! But she uses the RAZR we got many years ago.

rangercaptain said:
I'm one too. I hide some from my wife too, so that makes me some kind of addict! But she uses the RAZR we got many years ago.
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Lol...not mine, she's become a gadget snob. Though she won't admit it, she's glad to be cutting edge. I see it when her girlfriends drool over the cool gadgets she totes around, lmao. We'll go get coffee, and she will look to see who noticed her pretty NookColor while she's reading and surfing the internets.

So you're selling a device because people aren't modding it? IMHO that's a ridiculous reason to sell this amazing piece of tech.
And im guessing one main reason is Honeycomb because, lets face it, its what everyone wants in a tablet. Then why not buy a Nook? You complain lack of development, the Nook Honeycomb port is better than anything they'll ever do with the Xoom.
Still, just my opinion. I'm keeping my Tab until it dies, then ill get another one.
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+1
and..truly one of these days someone WILL put out an Android device that doesn't need modding! Might be 3 years from now...with 8 core cpu & AirWave connectivity (5+TB wireless connection passed through our existing electrical cables that are strung on the poles...or passed through now vacated VHF / UHF signals...yeah, I can dream BIG!)

But you will only be able to get 3g data or 2g+ voice.

Motorola xoom , is it good?

hi everyone , ive just bought my motorola xoom mz604 , and i think its awesome because android honeycomb is really good OS, it is fast and smooth
but iam having some problems with installing apps, and i realized that most of them aren't compitable with the xoom, like the android games hawx, assassins creed and modern combat 2...
anyways i just wanted to know the adv and dis-adv of my device from an expert
thnx =)
sorry for my bad english

Answering the question in your title, the xoom IS good... very good, in fact. Sure there are a few apps here and there that do not work, but for the most part, everything runs fine. Additionally, the new scaling option in 3.2 ensures that more apps are functional. I simply love the beauty and elegance of honeycomb, and I still find the xoom to be my preferred method to obtain the honeycomb experience. Plus, being Google's reference HC device, we get all of the updates first.

I like it
3.1/3.2 is brill for emulators too when you connect up a ps3 controller via usb!

Im thinking of returning my tab for the xoom thoughts?
Sent from my Galaxy Tab 10.1

kwiggington said:
Im thinking of returning my tab for the xoom thoughts?
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What about the Galaxy Tab displeases you and makes you want to switch to the Xoom? They are about even on features and such, with the Galaxy being slightly lighter and thinner.

Ummmm. Its the "google dev" device. With that said...
Moto is a horrible company
The xoom 3g has turned into the last tab to recieve updates
Still no promised 4g
Sd support is only soso...
I would recommend a samsung device...the xoom is a bastardized piece of hardware. Go with a device that is "popular" thus will be supported more....not the xoom

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...the xoom is a bastardized piece of hardware. Go with a device that is "popular" thus will be supported more....not the xoom
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I couldn't disagree more, but to each his own...

I'm plenty happy with mine, just a wifi though and no cell network model. That, honestly, is probably the issue with slow updates just like it is for my epic: the company that runs the network it's attached to wants to manage its stuff (aka install crap and extra 'features') and is slowing down the process. Sprint is HORRIBLE with this.
As for why I chose the xoom over others - part of it was price, it was the $400 32gb wifi model off woot.com. Second was that it has actual ports on it (micro-usb, mini-hdmi, etc) and not some proprietary jack *cough*galaxytab*cough* that you need to hook up some dorky dongle to in order to get a usb port.

I'm pissed that the Xoom 3.2 update only let's you read the SD card but not write. That's ass backwards to me.
I have to root this thing to get that basic feature. I think they still haven't figured out the issue that devs figured out. Other than that I like it and apps are slowly starting to catch up.
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Like most of the respondents to this thread, I have been very happy with my Xoom. I have had the chance to play about with most of its major rivals in the 10 inch space (The Transformer and the Iconia and a 7 inch Tab) and while each has pros and cons (and nearly identical tech specs), I prefer the Xoom for several reasons...
The build quality is excellent. The device feels solid and durable while also giving off a sense of luxury. Most people who have handled it have commented on how "high-end" the Xoom feels.
As a Google experience device (thanks to special ordering a US model), the Xoom has the best chance of the current crop of tablets to run Ice Cream Sandwich well in a few months.
The XDA community for the Xoom is the best developed of the current slew of tablets with many excellent developers and plenty of other users willing to help and guide you (and "gently" remind you when you are being an idiot).
I like the design of the Xoom, with the power button recessed on the gently curved back. The placement works well for me and I prefer it to having the power button on the front of the edge of the tablet.
Those are my reasons for choosing the Xoom as the first amongst equals, but as always, ymmv. I suggest you find a store with demo models of most brands and see which one feels right to you.

JanetPanic said:
What about the Galaxy Tab displeases you and makes you want to switch to the Xoom? They are about even on features and such, with the Galaxy being slightly lighter and thinner.
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I like vanilla android and dont want touchwiz or the crap apps itll have
Sent from my Galaxy Tab 10.1

Plus no sd slot and only one port
Sent from my Galaxy Tab 10.1

kwiggington said:
I like vanilla android and dont want touchwiz or the crap apps itll have
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Fair Enough. Touchwiz might be able to be disabled when it comes out but maybe not. The xoom comes with a bit of crapware itself, dungeon defender and cordy are the ones that come to mind though there may be more.
It would not be worth the cost to me but to each his own. You could probably find a xoom owner who is fed up with Motorola enough to do a trade.

xoom
I totally agree with you. I bought mine with a $100 off coupon from staples. I initially wanted to buy the tranformer now looking back I dont regret my purchase. Love my xoom.
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Like most of the respondents to this thread, I have been very happy with my Xoom. I have had the chance to play about with most of its major rivals in the 10 inch space (The Transformer and the Iconia and a 7 inch Tab) and while each has pros and cons (and nearly identical tech specs), I prefer the Xoom for several reasons...
The build quality is excellent. The device feels solid and durable while also giving off a sense of luxury. Most people who have handled it have commented on how "high-end" the Xoom feels.
As a Google experience device (thanks to special ordering a US model), the Xoom has the best chance of the current crop of tablets to run Ice Cream Sandwich well in a few months.
The XDA community for the Xoom is the best developed of the current slew of tablets with many excellent developers and plenty of other users willing to help and guide you (and "gently" remind you when you are being an idiot).
I like the design of the Xoom, with the power button recessed on the gently curved back. The placement works well for me and I prefer it to having the power button on the front of the edge of the tablet.
Those are my reasons for choosing the Xoom as the first amongst equals, but as always, ymmv. I suggest you find a store with demo models of most brands and see which one feels right to you.
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I hope it's good Mine should be here tomorrow

I just exchanged the tab must say i like the xoom better and i already have a spare 16gb sd
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drsteven2 said:
I totally agree with you. I bought mine with a $100 off coupon from staples. I initially wanted to buy the tranformer now looking back I dont regret my purchase. Love my xoom.
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I second that
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4g is coming in sept. Per verizon
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Good, solid hardware.
Mine was rooted 5 minutes out of the box, so I have had SD R/W since day one.

gqstatus0685 said:
I'm pissed that the Xoom 3.2 update only let's you read the SD card but not write. That's ass backwards to me.
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I had to fiddle around with the formatting in order to make it work, but I know the problem you had and eventually got around it. Try ntfs, fat, or whatever - just mess around with it in your computer until you find one that it likes. I forget offhand what made mine happy.

Have Xoom. Get XY or wait for something else?

I have the Xoom right now and love it. However, I'm attracted to the size and weight of the XYKeyboard. I want 4.0 as soon as possible and LTE doesn't mean anything to me.
I have the option to switch out my Xoom for the XYKeyboard when it comes out, but don't know if I should. Is there any other tablet coming out that I should maybe be waiting for. No, not an iPad. And I've already heard the battery on the Transformer Prime is crap.
I definitely don't want to get the XY and find out the ICS is going to take longer.
Thoughts?

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And I've already heard the battery on the Transformer Prime is crap.
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First I've heard of that. The only thing that came close was one reviewer's website who got a faulty unit... when it was exchanged he got 2+ more hours of battery and lasted a good 11 hours. 11 hours isn't crap to me... not to mention the ability to carry around a spare battery in the dock to give it 18+.

Xyboard doesn't ship with ICS. No tablet shipping before the new year is. The Xyboard is only a little bit faster than the original Xoom. It's not worth upgrading. If you want a new tablet, get the Transformer Prime. It's a tad bit more expensive but the hardware in it blows the Xyboard out of the way. If that isn't enough to sway you, consider this: Xyboard is the stupidest name for a gadget I have ever heard.
I should also point out that the Xoom will probably get an ICS ROM before the Xyboard gets updated.

honestly the xooms specs are fine if i were you'd id avoid spending the money on a whole new tablet and wait at least another year or so. Also quad core? what are you possibly going to be running that needs a quad core lol dual core is fast enough for android

The XY thingy is a joke & a slap in the face to xoom original owners. I have a Asus transformer prime on pre-order.Motorola has lost my business.

I'm a happy Xoom owner also passing on the xyboard. The tablet just doesn't justify the $800 cost (32gB w/o contract) and although dual core is probably enough for me, that doesn't mean I'm going to pay a premium for it and forget quad core is going to be released soon. No microSD, although not critical, is something I'd expect. This is like a middle of the road tablet with a super premium price. Verizon and Motorola must think there are a lot of people willing to pay to have the embedded LTE modem.
I really don't need a new tablet right now so I can wait. For a new buyer, a Xoom or Transformer is a much better bang for your buck. Samsung and Sony have come out with press releases on their next Andriod tablets to be announced in February and at CES (Jan 10th); that doesn't mean they'll be shipping, but I'm not in a rush to buy.
With Apple, many people just buy out of brand loyalty or wanting an Apple device. Motorola releases this device as if its brand loyalty is as strong as Apple. I like Motorola products but this is just a complete disappointment from the specifications to the price. No wonder they aren't seeding media with demo units for testing/reviews. I haven't seen one in depth review; compare that to the Transformer Prime which is seems everyone has except me.

I tried the XY a few days ago (Xoom 2 in the UK) and honestly it is barely an upgrade. The Thinness and weight is nice but it actually felt a little slower than my Xoom, though that's probably because I have mine over clocked. Also the Xoom will get ICS first, the XY is not stock Honeycomb, the changes are little but noticeable and in my opinion make it look a little tacky compared with the Xoom.
Also those weird corners I'll admit feel comfortable and more natural in portrait mode but in landscape I didn't really like the feel, the edges felt sharper and unnatural.
If I were you I would either stick with the Xoom or if you really want an upgrade go for the Transformer Prime, that thing is a beast and when you compare the prices there is really no comparison between the two.

From what I've seen, the Xoom has the same processor as the XYboard(I'll link it when I can find it) just overclocked. If the XYboard will cost you nothing, heck ya! Do it! SOmething I have noticed between the newest of moto's products is a delayed time in unlocking a bootloader. So if custom Roms and kernals are your thing, I'd say wait a bit until an unlock is confirmed. Having an unlocked bootloader means that with the great dev here, we'll see ICS on the Xoom before the Xyboard.

overclock your xoom then wait for a quad core, personally I think ics underlying core won't be to much of a improvement over honeycomb, a few improvements and new theme, but not to much to get overly excited about.
but maybe I am trying to avoid getting let down lol

ill see what GED tablet comes out after IO at the end of June. My xooms not even a year old yet

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From what I've seen, the Xoom has the same processor as the XYboard(I'll link it when I can find it) just overclocked. If the XYboard will cost you nothing, heck ya! Do it! SOmething I have noticed between the newest of moto's products is a delayed time in unlocking a bootloader. So if custom Roms and kernals are your thing, I'd say wait a bit until an unlock is confirmed. Having an unlocked bootloader means that with the great dev here, we'll see ICS on the Xoom before the Xyboard.
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The original Xoom is using a Tegra 2 Processor.
The Xyboard is using a Texas Instrument OMAP4 processor.
And I think Motorola WANTS to upgrade the Xyboard first to ICS but it would be a pain, cause Xyboard is running Motorola Blur so they have a lot of editing to do.
Whereas Xoom is straight up original Android with no modifications, so will be easier to slap ICS on there!

Just wait longer. The xoom is not yet outdated, so the only real difference in the XY would be its profile.
Dispatched at the speed of light from my XOOM

Im thinking hold off for a bit before you buy the XY which is more or less the same as the Xoom.
I say this because I honestly see Xoom getting ICS before XY.

I'll probably never understand the thought process behind a name like XYBoard as Xoom 2 sounds MUCH better. On that note I'm disappointed with the Xoom 2 from a spec sheet perspective. It doesn't offer much of an incentive to "upgrade" to it from my original Xoom. That being said, the Transformer Prime is a true upgrade based on it having that Tegra 3 processor . Someone mentioned that a dual-core processor is fine for Android and I agree: it is perfectly fine for Android...for now. A quad-core tablet is more future-proof, IMHO.

Now, synthetic benchmarks don't mean everything, but it's interesting that the XYBoard 10.1 benchmarks as well as the Transformer Prime in Quadrant, Linpack and Sunspider in our tests.
There's no full blown Motoblur UI on the 10.1 (US shipping model). It's pretty vanilla Android with a handful of Moto and Verizon apps thrown in.
The much improved form factor (let's face it, super-thin and light are popular) is a big mass market improvement over the Xoom. Note, I said mass market, I know some of you guys and gals don't care so much. But it's as thin and light as the iPad 2 and Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, and they seem to be the sweet spot with consumers. Likewise the Transformer is uber thin too.
The IPS display is a huge improvement. The one thing I truly hated about my Xoom was the washed out LCD vs. the Transformer/Tab 10.1/iPad 2. It's colorful and much brighter.
I did a 22 minute in-depth video review of the XYBoard 10.1 if anyone is interested:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=41820
(and yes, I didn't pronounce it correctly in the review, it rhymes with "cyborg" )

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I did a 22 minute in-depth video review of the XYBoard 10.1 if anyone is interested:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=41820
(and yes, I didn't pronounce it correctly in the review, it rhymes with "cyborg" )
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I noticed your review stated Motorola is owned by Google and referred the Xyboard as a GED, but that's not true. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet... And I wouldn't count it a GED since it's got the bloatware on it as well.

Sandso9 said:
honestly the xooms specs are fine if i were you'd id avoid spending the money on a whole new tablet and wait at least another year or so. Also quad core? what are you possibly going to be running that needs a quad core lol dual core is fast enough for android
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The Xoom specs are fine, but with an attitude like yours towards newer more powerful stuff will only hold innovation back. Rather than saying "we don't need it" we should be saying "lets find something awesome to do with it!"
When the laser was invented people thought it was useless and that nobody would ever need one.

My Verizon Xoom had bloatware loaded too (not much since Honeycomb was a day old when the Xoom was released, and these were not apps I minded-- games and Verizon data manager/account manager). All products offered by carriers have some apps added or mods made (look at the VZW Galaxy Nexus with Google NFC removed). But the OS on the XYBoard looks pretty clean to me-- no Motoblur (OK, the browser icon is squared off), no custom settings beyond the dock setting, only the base Honeycomb widgets, no social networking integration typical of Motoblur, and not even a file manager to play with USB files and no NTFS support is added. I don't see much here that will stand in the way of prompt OS updates. The Asus Eee Pad Transformer has more OS customizations, and Asus manages to get OS updates out very quickly.
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I noticed your review stated Motorola is owned by Google and referred the Xyboard as a GED, but that's not true. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet... And I wouldn't count it a GED since it's got the bloatware on it as well.
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...... no custom settings beyond the dock setting, only the base Honeycomb widgets, no social networking integration typical of Motoblur, and not even a file manager to play with USB files and no NTFS support is added. I don't see much here that will stand in the way of prompt OS updates. The Asus Eee Pad Transformer has more OS customizations, and Asus manages to get OS updates out very quickly.
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Nice review ... from what i understand if you want a biger files than 4gb you will have to format your disk ? what formats android native supports ? most of my usb flash drives are formatted with ext4 ...
Is there any good video player that support mkv 1080 p with this tablet ?

Since it's a Linux format, I'd guess that ext4 would work (I don't have a drive formatted ext4 to test though). FAT32 works, but that's not much help for very large capacity drives.

iPad mini

hmmmmm i still think my Xoom is very relevant and will better suit me for what i use a tablet for. heck my first gen kindle fire is still relevant (for me anyways)
what are your thoughts?
http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/overview/

My thoughts are that comparing the too is like comparing oranges and carrots. The only thing they have in common is the color orange (they're both tablets).
They are damn near 2 generations apart tech wise and 2 completely different form factors.

exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant

dodgefan67 said:
exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant
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Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.

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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.

PeterWitrigs said:
Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.
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I agree with this and on a different note the surface isn't to shabby looking either. This is my favorite time of the year.
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Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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you may be right, but it is just an opinion, never liked apple, but its not like i look for opportunities to bash them....no wait :cyclops:
and yeah as long as the Nexus 10 isn't built by LG i might get one too
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thats true as well

To be honest my xoom2 sound way better than mini ipad mini.

Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..

tumpy said:
A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..
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So now I need to be an Apple user in order to have an unbiased opinion? Please tell me where I downgraded Android wrongly rather than just shrugging it off. Android tablet app support is atrocious. Its getting better and its nice that Android apps "scale" upward but in doing so, a lot of the screen real estate of a tablet is simply not used efficiently. You can compare it to mobile websites. Have you ever looked at a mobile website on a desktop? They look horrible because they're not using the screen real estate efficiently. With all that said, the user interface of the OS itself and the features and speed have finally surpassed that of iOS.
And yes, the Xoom in the tech world of tablets is very out of date. Hardware tech moves fast; its still relevant and useful but the Tegra 2 processor is simply not up to par with newer chips. One of the main Eos devs even said in their nightly thread that the Xoom is old (coming up on 2 years) and people should start looking to upgrade. It was a bit of an off hand comment (as in I don't think they plan on dropping support any time soon) but people were discussing speed and such and the simple fact is the Xoom's hardware is holding it back from taking full advantage of Jellybean (its fast but not nearly as fast as a Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 7 with Project Butter).
Back to my original point, as I stated, comparing the Xoom and Mini is silly and to me comes across as nothing more than a fishing attempt to bash on Apple and circle jerk about the Xoom with other Xoom owners. They are two products that simply don't compare well to one another. A proper comparison would be the Nexus 7 and the Mini; they are much closer in release dates and are actually of similar sizes and targeted at similar customers.
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so what would be the point of buying an ipad mini?
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People that want a smaller tablet and are already invested in the iOS arena or simply prefer it? Tablets that are 9.6" or 10.1" aren't for everyone, just as phones that are 4.7" aren't for everyone. I know quite a few iPhone users who never got iPads because they saw the device as too large and cumbersome. The Mini introduces another option for iOS users at a different price and size.

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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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And why do you think that?

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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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great point, open source has always been better at providing better and faster support to products which make them more reliable and longer lasting. look how many old PCs are running linux
on the flip side, proprietary software like drivers from nvidia (on my LG phone) take forever to get updates. LG/Nvidia and T-Mobile have only just recently upgraded my phone to GB 2.3.4 (back in March) where as my Xoom is running the latest JB

I think that apple products are great! They give people who are new to the computer world a chance to learn hope to use a computer...
That being said anything beyond being new to computers in respect to acceptable customer support, software support, getting the most out of your device, power, and topping on the cake ethical business operation, you don't find it in apple.
I won't go to far into detail and try not to hate on apple to much, but I think that if you want a device that actually allows you to fully use the hardware then you have to look elsewhere. I also think that you pay far to much money for devices in that brand since they already get their hardware cheap as hell. sure they build solid hardware, but its not always high end, nor is it reasonably priced.
I bought a laptop from an off brand that was twice the power of the average apple computer today and half the price. I received it a year ago.
Ok enough with apple. Sorry that organization irritates me.
So on the xoom. I bought mine fairly recently. Some of the things I love about it is that it's build Pretty solid. I feel like I could throw this thing at a friggin wall! People claim the hardware is outdated, I don't agree. My xoom has EOS Wingray 153 currently and doesn't have any issues at all with lag. The only problems I've had with running apps is that I can't find enough that I want to use. That is to say ones relevant for me to use. I have about 64GB to fill and not enough apps to fill it with
Now this isn't as if I'm saying there aren't enough apps made for android to be honest I think there are plenty. I like that you don't need to use a ca authority to make an app attachable to the store, and I like that they don't pull root apps from the market. I also haven't heard of people being sued for hacking android devices.
I haven't been able to take full advantage of my xoom hardware yet, though it's mostly due to a lack of trying. I mostly use it for a few games and internet use when I'm not home. I also do ebooks and PDFs as well as ssh and some research. To say the xoom is outdated is in my opinion grossly wrong. The software that does a pretty damn good job of efficiently using the hardware, and I've yet to see an app thus far have trouble functioning properly or have any sort of lag. Well I did once, but that could have been so to a new build I literally just installed it also could have just been the app. In any case I no longer have lag.
To close to the question of iPad mini vs xoom. If you have a reason to use something smaller than a xoom then by all means support a terrible organization, but otherwise I think the xoom will be good for me for another year.
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I hate Apple's policies for market share! But over hating their policies I hate those iSheeps who keeps saying that their iPoops of them is better than Android, which was com proved by Geekbench that it's the opposite! For all those saying that Xoom is better than any Apple device, it's a lie, BUT even with it's 2 y.o. hardware it's only worse than the new iPhone 5, which is worse to GNote 10.1, GNote 2 and GS3! And there's still missing the new devices that'll come now, like RAZR HD, HTC One X+, Xperia T, etc... And on the iPad mini topic, all I can say is that it's not worth in ANY F-Word WAY! N7 is the best 7" tablet you'll see, Xoom 2 ME is way better too! But I else think that's not fair compare a 7" tablet to a 10" one, they were built for different functions and there's no way you can be fair to both sides when comparing utility, for example: I have my Xoom, which is amazing, and today I used a little my mom's Xoom 2 ME tablet, and it was way better to read than my 10.1" screen! That's why I'm keeping my Xoom and getting a Nexus 7, as I don't need another high end 10" tablet for now and need a tablet for better mobility.
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