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[Q] HTC Desire-Z boot speed

I dunno if you've seen it but it starts in about the time it takes my legend to turn the screen on. Anyhoo
Do we reckon it would be possible to put this kind of thing on other phones (Namely our Legend)? It's called HTC Fast boot; so would it be possible to, when they're released, port the stuff in the ROM that does this? Or not? Or anything even close?

It's very early to tell, but if they'll release to other phones (like Desire) there's a very very good chance it's possible.

For what it's worth I don't think the boot time for our Legends is bad at all. I'm satisfied with it.

Yeah, but faster is (nearly) always better

Watch second video, you can see how fast is boot speed! F*** yeah . This is what we need for legend!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/15/htc-desire-z-hands-on/

qzem said:
Watch second video, you can see how fast is boot speed! F*** yeah . This is what we need for legend!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/15/htc-desire-z-hands-on/
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My only worry is that there's some stuff going on there that's not ROM related. Maybe bootloader tinkering; who knows?

From CoolSmartPhone.com (note the last couple of sentences):
Oh, and that boot time is a whole lot quicker too according to HTC. We did give this a test after being told that the device could turn back on in "less than 10 seconds". We tested it and it actually did it in less than 5 seconds, but it seems that there's some clever "suspend" technology going on when you tell the devices to power off from the GUI as, when we popped the battery out to try a complete "cold boot" it took the normal amount of time. We're guessing that this will still be brilliant though, especially if you've had the phone powered off whilst asleep or during a flight.
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Yea.. I had a feeling that it was likely to be a suspend. This does, however, make it more likely to be ported to other phones...

No. Not. At. All.

owenw said:
No. Not. At. All.
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What's that in reference to?

c_man said:
For what it's worth I don't think the boot time for our Legends is bad at all. I'm satisfied with it.
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For what it's worth, I played on the Desire HD (and Z) last night as I went along to the HTC event. The boot speed IS very impressive, but it's a nice to have, not a "need to have".
Some people were overly impressed with the boot speed, some not impressed at all. Afterall, there is more to a phone that how fast it manages to boot up .

Does this happen to anyone else?

Friend or someone wants to see your phone... You open your "cool" apps to show them..
Phone freezes, locks up, doesn't operate right..
I swear, I can do whatever I want while alone, at my phone works perfect..
Yesterday I show my friends Slingplayer and Homerun3D, sure enough both programs give me problems..
LOL Was in a bad area for slingplayer to work (it works smoothly all the time) and was lagging.. Of course he was like "its a cool concept but who would would ever deal with the skipping"
LOL I swear it never does this, I tell him..
Then I go to show him the Homerun3D game and of course it locks up on me, lol
It always happens like that,...

Sounds like Murphy is a good friend of yours!
That happens to me sometimes but only when I'm doing something totally unimportant.

Your phone knows that your friends are unworthy to bask in its warm embrace and enlightenment.
It goes into clam mode, shuts up tight and looks like a paperweight until you put it away
That or a bad flash mixed with user error

my windows mobile devices did that all the time, i think i got used to it and only thought about how often it happened when it would screw up in front of a friend.
on evo, i dont have any problems.
not trying to be a smart ass but i bet your using a custom rom.

potna said:
my windows mobile devices did that all the time, i think i got used to it and only thought about how often it happened when it would screw up in front of a friend.
on evo, i dont have any problems.
not trying to be a smart ass but i bet your using a custom rom.
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Yea but I use Fresh's custom Rom..
Besides.. Who here actually doesn't use a custom rom?

More than I honestly thought. There is a ton of info on the evo that I find useful, even though I'm rooted stock.
I find my evo to be the most reliable handset I've had since maybe before smartphones were around. I still can't believe I haven't flashed and reinstalled my OS 10 times by now and I have had this since august. Granted I did do some playing around with Roms when I first got it. But every since I decided to give sense an honest shot, I haven't been back to custom.
This is the first android phone for me and the first time I didn't feel the need to tinker around with every little thing.
I loved wm 6.5 but it was still wm, and it was full of reliability issues. I still miss my old touch pro 2 and its kwyboard, but my evo is way more reliable.
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One day the froyo got real warm and the menus were changed simultaneously. NAND could not restore it and even the picture had changed.
You see the chef had thought it would be faster and take less work to refill the layers, rather than to assemble and build them when they were ordered.
Mural of the story (modern stories all have walls for murals to be posted on) a pair of dimes - standing on edge.
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task killers take bytes out of the cake when your not looking making it fall faster

Yes it happens all the time! Especially at work where the signal is crappy in the building!
if all fails, i just flip the phone over and say "checkit, it has a kickstand!"

Skeptron said:
Yes it happens all the time! Especially at work where the signal is crappy in the building!
if all fails, i just flip the phone over and say "checkit, it has a kickstand!"
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lmao...kickstand ftw!!!

potna said:
More than I honestly thought. There is a ton of info on the evo that I find useful, even though I'm rooted stock.
I find my evo to be the most reliable handset I've had since maybe before smartphones were around. I still can't believe I haven't flashed and reinstalled my OS 10 times by now and I have had this since august. Granted I did do some playing around with Roms when I first got it. But every since I decided to give sense an honest shot, I haven't been back to custom.
This is the first android phone for me and the first time I didn't feel the need to tinker around with every little thing.
I loved wm 6.5 but it was still wm, and it was full of reliability issues. I still miss my old touch pro 2 and its kwyboard, but my evo is way more reliable.
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I actually love sense and do not see why people wouldn't want it..
I also got an extended battery which I only use when I know I will not be near a power source for a while.. I have the Otterbox case and just LOVE IT!! so I try to keep with the stock battery..
That being said I use Fresh's rom, because its pretty much stock with some extra goodies.. And full Sense..
I really don't have problems with my phone.. Its just typical with Murphys law,, lol

Oh,i did think of something crappy.
When I first got my evo,i was telling my friends about how awesome it is and how sweet the camera and video recording is, now my video doesn't seem all that great. In fact in 720p it looks so crappy and choppy that I don't feel like its worth having or using.
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Just get a higher class SD card and replay that oh crappy video quality scenario all over again.
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lol...i can honestly say that I've never experienced that, thank GOD. Have you figured out the root cause?
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I don't get it, r u saying that something higher than what I have will fix the issue? I currently have a 16GB class 2.
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You can get a 32gb card and still have same issues. You need a class 4 or above. If I could remember I'd post direct statement from htc employee. A lot go with a class 6, but anything more than class 4 and its all the same fluff. Class 2 just doesn't write fast enough for Evo's video.
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I think I saw that conversation about the max speed the evo could take advantage of, but I thought I read some where anything beyond class 2 carries no benefit in how well our evos record video in 720p.
Mine is choppy outside in sunlight and simetimes the video out right freezes for a split second. As far recording inside its so low quality that I don't even try to record.
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Laggy xoom

Anyone elses XOOM super Laggy...any ways for the fix
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Yep, I think theres lag in every Android tablet I've played with. Googles min specs just aren't high enough for Honeycomb... Hopefully a bit more RAM and Quad Cores will fix it...

You know how you can install crappy software that runs at boot which will make even a core i7 with a good GPU and lots of RAM start lagging?
Yeah. Like that. Don't install lots of crap and expect the OS to handle it.
Computer Dreams said:
Anyone elses XOOM super Laggy...any ways for the fix
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ZanshinG1 said:
You know how you can install crappy software that runs at boot which will make even a core i7 with a good GPU and lots of RAM start lagging?
Yeah. Like that. Don't install lots of crap and expect the OS to handle it.
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+rep for this (well the equivalent... no rep on XDA?). The Xoom is a computer like any other computer.

bobblack said:
+rep for this (well the equivalent... no rep on XDA?). The Xoom is a computer like any other computer.
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I've seen logs from users with 40+ boot services while trying to diagnose field issues with my apps.
The scary thing is I think it's more common than people who are careful about watching app behavior/installing minimal apps.
To make it worse, there's a lot of crappy software for Android. It's easy to cruft up your device.
Sometimes I almost wish for Apple's walled garden and non-multitasking app switching...

ZanshinG1 said:
I've seen logs from users with 40+ boot services while trying to diagnose field issues with my apps.
The scary thing is I think it's more common than people who are careful about watching app behavior/installing minimal apps.
To make it worse, there's a lot of crappy software for Android. It's easy to cruft up your device.
Sometimes I almost wish for Apple's walled garden and non-multitasking app switching...
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+1 +1 +1 sir

Custom rom for me such as team tiamat's latest takes away much of the lag. I also run adw ex launcher which pretty much takes away all the lag.
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Hi all,
Well from day one i installed ADW EX as my launcher and only ever install apps i actually need and use as opposed to installing as many as i can because i can. So far i have yet to see any of the issues some users report and have never seen any lag, crashes or freezes maybe I've just been lucky but my Xoom has done all i wanted and more without issue so far.
Marc

I have over 100 apps on my xoom, stock 3.2 and it lags after being up for 6+ days. I think some devices need to be reset. I still had horrible keyboard lag on 3.1 after that update so I did a reset and it went away. Since the 3.2 all lag in the app drawer, home screens in different orientations, and opening of apps and menus is gone for me.
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I barely have any apps on my XOOM
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Computer Dreams said:
I barely have any apps on my XOOM
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I have almost 300 apps, use ADWEX and Hammerhead Rom--everything zips right along. It's true that it begins to lag just a bit when I go a long time w/o rebooting.

okantomi said:
I have almost 300 apps, use ADWEX and Hammerhead Rom--everything zips right along. It's true that it begins to lag just a bit when I go a long time w/o rebooting.
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Yessir hammerhead rom + adw launcher is a match made in heaven. My Xoom seems to fly with this combo
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im experiencing some serious lag. Not many apps installed but plenty of lag time.

Will suggest to try custom rom. It's easy. Before that may be some maintenance could help. Wipe cash and stuff. Meanwhile was thinking to try v6 supercharged script to illuminate lagging. Is there anyone have tried?

I m in stock but i nvr experience any lag .. except long boot time

its annoying. ive also experience this on my xoom wifi and i dont even have alot of apps installed. i have to reboot the tablet atleast once a day so it doesnt lag badly.

I noticed it too. It appears to have apps just sitting in a tray. If you open it, it never really gets dumped. Multitask just isn't killing these apps when idled for hours. If I am not switching between apps after an hour why keep it up?
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hammer4203 said:
I noticed it too. It appears to have apps just sitting in a tray. If you open it, it never really gets dumped. Multitask just isn't killing these apps when idled for hours. If I am not switching between apps after an hour why keep it up?
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Just like any other pc, just close 'em. I use Active Apps widget-just check it when my ram is getting low and close whatever is still active. No need to kill apps that aren't active, though.

Computer Dreams said:
Anyone elses XOOM super Laggy...any ways for the fix
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And how exactly is it laggy? I get almost no lag, ever, on mine. And I've had the pleasure of owning quite a few tablets: XOOM, Galaxy Tab 10.1, iPad, TouchPad, Viewsonic Gtab, and Nook Color. Out of all of them, the XOOM and Tab 10.1 were arguably the most responsive.
Prior to 3.2, GPU performance was horrible when the screen was in upside-down landscape. This resulted in horrible home screen lag. Thankfully, this has now been fixed. Portrait mode is still slow. But at 0 degrees landscape, it's fantastic.

hammer4203 said:
I noticed it too. It appears to have apps just sitting in a tray. If you open it, it never really gets dumped. Multitask just isn't killing these apps when idled for hours. If I am not switching between apps after an hour why keep it up?
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Read up on the Android Process Lifecycle before complaining about it. App handling done in a very intelligent manner, optimizing speed and responsiveness. We have tons of memory on the device, so why not leave apps as background cached processes? Plus, as part of the process lifecycle, there's a very limited amount of resources that can be devoted to background processes that do not display an ongoing notification. It's on the order of ~5% CPU utilization.

3000+ hours uptime on a stock 2.3.5

Just wanted to share my friends ridiculous uptime on his neglected dhd running completely stock as out of the box. Overtime I noticed him being a bit paranoid of running low and always charging around. I checked it and it was around 1k already, without him even considering this as unusual or having the now and then need to restart, like the rest of us From then it became a bit of a challenge for us, and for him an on going obligation and an everyday responsibility... The best part of the story actually is his carelessness towards maintaining a clean and stable os, using it as any subxda user for everyday needs. For the challenge to prove the point the general character of the use couldn't be changed just because of our discovery, and so it hasn't. Atm we hit 3168 and the MSM8255 is humming on

Woah.
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There is honor in what you have achieved. You show us the real meaning of the words "Never give up" and that anything can be achieved as long as we don't give up and keep fighting for our destiny. Our future life is in our own hands.

Muikkuman said:
There is honor in what you have achieved. You show us the real meaning of the words "Never give up" and that anything can be achieved as long as we don't give up and keep fighting for our destiny. Our future life is in our own hands.
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Deep words for a thread about battery life
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Haha. The kind of flashoholics that we are around here at xda... the stat about uptime has lost all meaning

Are you sure its fully stock? Mine who only ever got to about 200 hours before it started freaking out.
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Woah.. proud of.
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Just wanted to share my friends ridiculous uptime on his neglected dhd running completely stock as out of the box. Overtime I noticed him being a bit paranoid of running low and always charging around. I checked it and it was around 1k already, without him even considering this as unusual or having the now and then need to restart, like the rest of us From then it became a bit of a challenge for us, and for him an on going obligation and an everyday responsibility... The best part of the story actually is his carelessness towards maintaining a clean and stable os, using it as any subxda user for everyday needs. For the challenge to prove the point the general character of the use couldn't be changed just because of our discovery, and so it hasn't. Atm we hit 3168 and the MSM8255 is humming on
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hall of fame!
they even let their battery ran out! :good:
if have another battery, time to use! should consider it wears.

I'm confused, based on the picture the person has been using his phone for 3000 hrs without a reboot, or pretty much asking for a million and one glitches.
Comments seem to suggest he used his phone for 3000hrs with only one charge?
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Fantasic!
Maximum uptime in my DHD: 1592

xxkid123 said:
I'm confused, based on the picture the person has been using his phone for 3000 hrs without a reboot, or pretty much asking for a million and one glitches.
Comments seem to suggest he used his phone for 3000hrs with only one charge?
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Moron.
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GuyInTheCorner said:
Moron.
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Shame on you.
Sent from a dream.

Teichopsia said:
Shame on you.
Sent from a dream.
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Kinda silently raged there. I formally retract my statement
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GuyInTheCorner said:
Are you sure its fully stock? Mine who only ever got to about 200 hours before it started freaking out.
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Its never been touched, and this guy disregards any ota. Checked the kernel - its compiled over a year ago xD
The only bug to my knowing has been 3g failing to connect one day - turning it off and on again fixed it...

xxkid123 said:
I'm confused, based on the picture the person has been using his phone for 3000 hrs without a reboot, or pretty much asking for a million and one glitches.
Comments seem to suggest he used his phone for 3000hrs with only one charge?
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Your right about asking for a million glitches - but he's experienced 1. Thats what makes it extraordinary.
Of course this thread isn't about batterylife, its about uptime. 3000h is around 125 days, so at the very least 125 cycles.

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Haha. The kind of flashoholics that we are around here at xda... the stat about uptime has lost all meaning
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I know, right? Thats a thing you use for your kernels sleep stats

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Are you sure its fully stock? Mine who only ever got to about 200 hours before it started freaking out.
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As a total noob, I'm not getting this. I didn't think there was a point in rebooting Android that often?
My Desire HD is running stock (if that is only official releases and that), has 258 hours uptime, and no bugs or glitches I can think of.
Is it bad having a kernel that is not "new"?

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As a total noob, I'm not getting this. I didn't think there was a point in rebooting Android that often?
My Desire HD is running stock (if that is only official releases and that), has 258 hours uptime, and no bugs or glitches I can think of.
Is it bad having a kernel that is not "new"?
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This very thread is a testimony to exactly this. There is no need to reboot android very often, and there is no need to clear your ram every hour. When that's said, a phone running for 4 month without a hickup is uncommon. Restart android to your liking
Regarding the kernel, the short answer is yes - IF you as you are stating, running stock. If you root your phone, a lot of other things are important regarding the kernel, not just the build date...
But if you have the latest ota (thats, over the air) update you will also have the newest kernel.

Thanks!
Yes, I have the latest update released from HTC, but they scrapped this phone a year ago.

I dunno... In my experience, at least with my setup (apps) on stock sense 3, my phone would work no matter how long I had it on without restarting but it would become EXTREMELY SLOW after like 11-14 days.... could be an app that was causing this, I am not sure... But I don't think I had it w/o reboot for more than like 20-30 days (and maybe once) Then again, I use a lot of widgets and apps so it is more probable that slowness is an app thing than an OS thing. Still, sometimes I envy iSheep users.

Couldn't take it any longer... New N10 owner

I couldn't take the reboots, freezes or general crappieness of the TF101 anymore. I broke down and bought a Nexus 10 and its amazing, I have used it for an entire 10 minutes without it rebooting on me once (which I cannot say for the TF101).
So long guy.

You should have spent a little time on custom roms instead of so much money on a new device

Congrats on the new toy. I agree that custom ROMs make the TF101 an amazing device, but enjoy!

Seems to be bad luck. My tf has been free of SoD or RR for months and months... Using megatron and guvevor's kernel and now with tim's rom and kernel it's even better
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Congrats on the new toy. I agree that custom ROMs make the TF101 an amazing device, but enjoy!
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I agree, I was thinking about getting a new tab, until I tried the custom ROMs, now it is better than a new tablet.

pursleyt said:
I agree, I was thinking about getting a new tab, until I tried the custom ROMs, now it is better than a new tablet.
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I installed numerous custom roms, the best was the EOS which is currently on it. The freezes would either happen within the first 5 minutes, or wait for 15 minutes or 35 minutes. It also had the death sleep, if I left it alone for more than 20 minutes with the screen off I had to hold down the volume button and power button because the screen wouldn't come on. Its a very frustrating device to say the lease.

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I agree, I was thinking about getting a new tab, until I tried the custom ROMs, now it is better than a new tablet.
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That has also been my experience. You guys are doing an excellent job!
Cheers,
Rich
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Cool story bro. 4.2.2 runs like an absolute champ on my and I saved $400
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Well i never had any reboots\freezes since JB roms
But still The N10 an excellent device congrats!

I think I had maybe a handful of RR's since the last rendition of ICS. Got even better with EOS 3 and 4. It's been ages.
I had SODs way back in the earlier ICS days, too. But I almost forgot what those were since .27. None since JB. Once in a blue moon I'll get the pop-up window giving me the option to wait or force-close an app, usually during a file transfer, hitting wait always solves the problem. Happens so infrequently that I probably shouldn't even mention it.
My only reboots lately have been to flash a new version of the ROM. I too like the thing better now than I did when I bought it, and I was actually pretty pleased with it then. I still use it 3:1 over our N7. I am expecting my next tablet to be 16 cores @ 3GHz.

My experience with custom ROMs wasn't as smooth either. I tried latest Cyanogen and EOS4 on my TF101G in hopes that it might fix it, or that I might find out why these symptoms occur, but no. A few days ago, I went back to stock ICS and it seems semi-stable right now, but I'll wait and see.
Either way, the case of SODs seemed more prominent on EOS4 for me: I'd want to turn the device back on to do something on it, and it won't, so I had to hold Power until it restarted itself. Happened about once in 1~2 days.
Another symptom that was annoying the living hell out of me is the launcher disappearance: at some point (probably when memory usage reaches high enough), the launcher (ANY launcher - I tried them all!) would just disappear and leave me with nothing but a background. I could still tap on things and they would run, but I wouldn't see any context menus or the app drawer, or anything else launcher-related, not until I kill all the running applications to free the memory (helps for a short amount of time), or plain reboot (helps for longer than that). This problem is also apparent on ICS, so I didn't quite get rid of it by downgrading...
Anyway, congrats on the N10, spotdog. It will probably rid you of this mess. Me - I think I'll stay for a while. The dock is comfortable in a way for what I do, which is the only reason I got this device for a relatively cheap price. Other than that, a part of me kinda regrets doing it.

I have rooted and flashed pretty much every rom available for our transformer and every single rom is the same. Constant lag and issues. I don't know what's wrong with this tablet, the transformer I had before this one never lagged with any rom.
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juanacevedo said:
I have rooted and flashed pretty much every rom available for our transformer and every single rom is the same. Constant lag and issues. I don't know what's wrong with this tablet, the transformer I had before this one never lagged with any rom.
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Same experience that drove me away from purchasing another Asus tablet. That is also the main reason I didn't go for the Nexus 7 was because Asus manufactured it.