Committed to the developer community, we're launching http://www.HTCdev.com and opening Sense to devs via OpenSense SDK #uplinq #HTC
We know that, by supporting your ideas, the benefits customers get from our technology can increase exponentially. HTCdev is designed to give you the inspiration to explore the possibilities within the HTC platform, the support you need to develop your ideas, the platform you need to promote your applications and the forum to connect with other developers and with HTC. Through tools, tutorials, blogs and events, HTCdev is dedicated to helping you get the most from your talent and potential. And we can’t wait to get started.
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Looks like my next phone may be HTC afterall.
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Looks like my next phone may be HTC afterall.
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ya i could agree my first batch of phones were htc then i moved off but i could say i will be getting the sensation afterall the bootloader business etc.
this is great news! glad HTC has decided to embrace the open dev community instead of creating barriers all the time.
Wow! I have been waiting for this for a long time. I hope they will release it in the summer.
so we can expext to have HTCSense on almost every Android Device? ^^
Was speaking to CM_arcee on twitter (developer for CM): "They're opening APIs to use Sense on devices that have it, they're not giving away Sense itself."
So that means Sense won't be coming to out non-HTC phone
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so we can expext to have HTCSense on almost every Android Device? ^^
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No, this is an API of sorts into the current sense environment. Developers will be able to write apps that use sense features to give the same look-and-feel as stock sense apps on sense based devices.
Why would developers limit themselves to HTC devices only in stead of the whole Android ecosystem?
it will help the development of apps for the flyer
let's hope
WOW, incredible news.....from locking their boot loaders to almost total openness, what a turn of events. Just shows what a nice strong community can accomplish. If there wasnt XDA nothing like this could have happened.
If the new HTC dual core doesn't take much longer to release, I ll be getting that definitely. I love HTC and after HD2, I still believe that the brand can reinvent themselves and lead the new smartphone industry, as they have done before.
This is a very clever move from HTC, and one which will certainly see them gain much love from the dev community.
I'm not sure it will be total access to HTC Sense, but certainly a way to make apps/widgets etc integrate with Sense a lot better. That can only be a good thing. HTC have obviously realised that the dev community came to originally, and wants to stay with them, and they are making it worth our while.
If it will run only on HTC devices, this is the right way!
Makes sense as not to open it up to other devices Sense is what makes it stand out from other devices.HTC sense is why im married to the brand so to speak.
Worst idea ever... HTC will give you access to propriatery HTC APIs and you will be able to code apps for their phones only... worst "open" idea ever.
I sincerely hope that devs ignore this HTC ploy to better their own UI.
This is going in the same direction as the Nvidia, Qualcomm, Samsung optimised games that only work on one of the CPU. WTF.. games on android should be optimised for all CPUs or should I say CPUs should be compatible with some standard... like OpenGL that they are using dooohhhhh... Stupid SoC makers.
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Worst idea ever... HTC will give you access to propriatery HTC APIs and you will be able to code apps for their phones only... worst "open" idea ever.
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It gives devss the option to integrate with the Sense UI if they want to. It's up to the devs themselves whether they want to code exclusively for it. They can still code for all Android (as they could before) and then on top of that make it work nicely with Sense as well. This can only be a positive thing in my opinion.
As long as they doesn't release the entire sense source code it's not open. Period.
the first thing that came to my mind was Cookie's Home Tab from winmo. Can't wait!
Good for sense cuz they get developers but those apps made for sense will only work with sense and then more android fragmentation... the last thing we need
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Great news!
I am sorry I don't wish to be rude, but it is absolutely ridiculous that some people are trying to make this look like a bad thing. How some people can turn a news about Sense becoming MORE open, into an almost doomsday prophecy for Android is beyond me.
This is only making life easier for the devs working on Sense, which in terms means better and faster development of said UI... How can that be bad? It's not like it means that all deving for other devices is getting worse as a result..
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I was expecting Sense development to dwindle to nothing over the next year, with WM 7 on the horizon.
But with WM7 looking increasingly poo (from today's announcements: no removable storage card, no customisations, limited copy/paste, no file manager, DRM all over, and generally all the problems the iphone had 4 years afo), I'm hoping we may see a decent after-life from 6.5.
Not that I like 6.5: It's customisable, a sound operating system, and an open-platform, but it's also clunky and ugly as hell.
But I'm hoping we may now see Sense continue to evolve (new Facebook tab etc), when before I was expecting it to come to a halt, minus the odd patch here and there.
Anyways, I love Sense. It masks 6.5 very well and is a great interface for a mobile phone. Here's hoping it will become more extensible and feature-filled in the future.
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Yup, for Android.
Hello, Desire.
Hi,
To be honest, from what I've seen of Windows Phone Series 7 I'd rather have Sense or a sense like interface on any operating system rather than use the "7" interface. HTC will continue to develop Sense, but will they be able to do so for "7"? Potentially they may be allowed to create a portal to Sense within the "7" Interface scheme (sorry, I can't remember what you call each of the tabs on "7", I found it too boring to remember when watching the various MWC videos. I wasn't "Super Excited" )but you probably wouldn't be able to have the phone boot up into that as a default interface for the full phone and you might not be able to use sense for certain functions (messaging dialer etc.). This is all speculation on my part of course).
HTC introduced a new version of Sense on Android at Mobile World Congress and stated that existing Sense users on Android will get a free upgrade. I expect HTC to keep developing it.
With a gtood enough interface, connectivity, function and features I really shoudn't care what the underlying operating system is.
My honest opinion.
Althougg i like the look of wp7s i think its not efficent in the sense you need to do too much scrolling to navigate. The best use of speedy navigation is icons in a grid format so you see more links per page and less scrolling. like the iphone. btw i love my hd2 and never owned an iphone.
I'm definitely choose "Sense" rather than "I-**** like WM7"...
Seems Android is the way to go..
I was pretty excited seeing the live launch thing. It looked pretty cool, fresh, original UI if you will. Right now I'm actually thinking about sticking with 6.5. That OS can do almost anything when compared to that non-multitasking protected and closed off bunch of tiles... I don't know right now, I'll need it on my device at least once.
That being said I'm too starting to hope on further development of Sense. As said above, it's a really great and fast UI to use and looks good too. And you can customize it, 'make it yours', right?
Grtz
Lukas
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I agree. with what I have see and heard I am not interested in WM7. If 6.5X still gets developed I will stay otherwise I will move to Android.
However until WM7 is actually released I will sit on the fence. As previously seen a lot of facts seem to be unproven in the long run.
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Althougg i like the look of wp7s i think its not efficent in the sense you need to do too much scrolling to navigate. The best use of speedy navigation is icons in a grid format so you see more links per page and less scrolling. like the iphone. btw i love my hd2 and never owned an iphone.
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The title fonts are huge and it other font sizes could be smaller. I know that WP7s wants WVGA initially.. but all the screen I've seen seem to make me think they didn't use the space efficiently. It seems more like they designed it for HVGA.
I doubt HTC will continue Sense for WM considering WM7 you CANNOT have Sense UI at all so why even bother..
I also think HTC is moving more towards Android now..
I myself have been tempted to move to Andriod but i've been a WinMo user since dunno when and have gotten soooo used to it i can't imaging moving to a new OS altogether and i love the HD2...no way i'm going to have WinMo7 in it even if it does get supported..
No WVGA, No Cut & Paste, No File explorer, No Sense UI, no Flash, No installs from cab files, not backward compatible...with more to come each day...Why would i even want to use Winmo7? It sounds sooo primitive.
Who knows after the HD2, I just might move to Android, not because i want to but because ultimately i believe i have to...
You know, I used to be Apple sheep, and only recently (1 year) I started using windows and dabbled here and there on Linux, and realized how much freedom you have on these devices and not being told what programs are cool to use and all that.
iPhone was cool because I didn't know any better.
Now that I've started to see just what windows/mobile has to offer, I feel like Neo, waking up in the tank from the Matrix.
And here's Windows Phone 7 Series. Microsoft killed the little resistance group and the only salvation they offer is to go back to the tank and back to the Matrix.
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And here's Windows Phone 7 Series. Microsoft killed the little resistance group and the only salvation they offer is to go back to the tank and back to the Matrix.
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It does seem like Microsoft is turning it's back on those loyal to Windows Mobile to appeal more to the iFashion brigade. I foresee this pushing a lot of us away from WPS7 towards Android.
xda developers site will be in the future just for android as wp7 is closed os ,and i will be android to get xda support
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xda developers site will be in the future just for android as wp7 is closed os ,and i will be android to get xda support
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Please stop telling BS.
Have a look at the little discussion about the WP7 emulator image, a lot of stuff in there is similar to WM6.5, so there's a lot of "openness" to hacks...
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Please stop telling BS.
Have a look at the little discussion about the WP7 emulator image, a lot of stuff in there is similar to WM6.5, so there's a lot of "openness" to hacks...
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iam wating
XDA is gonna pull through for us one way or another.
You have my word.
If HTC calls time on Sense for WM, I hope they will unlock some of the features so we can customise it (e.g. new/unlimited tabs)
I'm a Palm Pre user and in love with WebOS, but as we all know Palm is dying and probably won't last through the year. I'm awaiting the EVO but I'm curious to know if it'll be possible to put WebOS on it. I'm not looking to start a WebOS/Android flame-war, I've just gotten used to WebOS in the past year. What do you guys think, is it do-able/worth the time?
Regardless, I'll probably upgrade to the EVO if the price is right
Thanks!
Is it possible? Probably.. Will it happen? Probably not.
There's already a discussion/wish list for WinMo 6.5 to be ported to the Evo, and even that may be a longshot.
But I'd say that has a much better chance of happening than WebOS... But then, anything is possible!
I was thinking that might happen. In that case, if not a complete port of WebOS is it possible to simulate/emulate the "card" system on Android? That's really my favorite part of the OS and what sets it apart from Android. Honestly, If someone could combine both OS's we'd have one hell of a phone.
Thanks!
TaskOS is about as good as you're going to get at the moment, no previews, just icons for running processes, not as flashy as webOS, but the basic functionality is technically there.
still waiting on the announcement of google buying palm for the acquisition of patents to multi-touch that palm owns the rights to.
Along with that would be webOS... give it some time, their stocks are tanking, another quarter of record losses will put them on the table to be bought up.
http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp...5&chls=IntervalBasedLine&q=NASDAQ:PALM&ntsp=0
Well instead of waiting for someone else to do it, what would I need to do to try to port the OS? Are there any tutorials or instructions available for this sort of thing? Is it standard or does the process vary by phone? I'd love to try it, even try to intergrate some Android functionality -- I think if WebOS and Android were combined it would make the perfect phone OS.
At the very least, would it be possibe to drop the Sense UI from the EVO and just run 2.1?
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Well instead of waiting for someone else to do it, what would I need to do to try to port the OS? Are there any tutorials or instructions available for this sort of thing? Is it standard or does the process vary by phone? I'd love to try it, even try to intergrate some Android functionality -- I think if WebOS and Android were combined it would make the perfect phone OS.
At the very least, would it be possibe to drop the Sense UI from the EVO and just run 2.1?
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webOS isn't open source so you will not be able to compile it.
The open souce part of webOS would be usefull in porting android to a palm phone but not the other way around sadly.
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webOS isn't open source so you will not be able to compile it.
The open souce part of webOS would be usefull in porting android to a palm phone but not the other way around sadly.
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That takes some wind out of my sails. What about dropping the Sense UI in favor of just running 2.1 like the Nexus One?
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That takes some wind out of my sails. What about dropping the Sense UI in favor of just running 2.1 like the Nexus One?
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Go to YouTube and find the video called "Turning an HTC Desire into a Nexus One."
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That takes some wind out of my sails. What about dropping the Sense UI in favor of just running 2.1 like the Nexus One?
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the 2.1 that the nexus one runs is AOSP http://source.android.com/ and a custom built launcher for the nexus (launcher2.apk) which is popular here on xda and is easily obtainable.
These will all come in good time after it's released and rooted and custom roms start popping up. One thing you can hope for as I wish the phone to be successful and bring much attention to wimax in general is that AOSP and cyanogen mods http://www.cyanogenmod.com/ gets ported to the EVO. It's the cleanest version of android without all the crapware that generally comes with feature phones and flagship phones.
Cyanogen mods is where's it's at in the android hacking community. Suggestion if you really get into hacking android, start with AOSP and cyanogen port to the EVO. It will teach you alot about the android OS without all the added htc jazz.
Hope for a quick release of the EVO kernel's source though... once you have that then you can get to work. Without that don't expect much success.
Thanks for the advice! I'll start looking into them as EVO day gets closer. Are there any good tutorials for getting into Android modding/writing apps? Good ones though, not just any result from a google search.
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Thanks for the advice! I'll start looking into them as EVO day gets closer. Are there any good tutorials for getting into Android modding/writing apps? Good ones though, not just any result from a google search.
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like writing apps for anroid? or porting andorid OS? I'm not a programmer, don't know nothing about writing apps, so someone else will have to chime in there.
As far as porting, I do not know of any point and click guides for porting, this is the documented process for the Odroid, it should be relevant to your endeavor. They wrote a step by step for compiling android on Odroid, they do however use Uboot I'm not 100% certian what HTC devices use for their bootstrap.
http://dev.odroid.com/projects/android/
Hopefully that helps some. Good luck.
EDIT: found this for building for the G1
http://source.android.com/documentation/building-for-dream
http://mobile.computerworld.com/dev...erworld.com/17612/google_android_30_honeycomb
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I will buy it
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heres a link to the video from engadet, because that website doesn't have it.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/google-shows-off-android-3-0-the-entirely-for-tablet-honeycom/
This news has been around for awhile. The 3.0 is basically 2.3 with a bit more and will allow android to run on a screen bigger than 7". This is not a exclusion of 3.0 but, rather just a modding of 2.3
As long as it retains the Android functionality, adds google docs integration and Netflix app I know what I will be getting for Christmas next year unless it is released earlier
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This news has been around for awhile. The 3.0 is basically 2.3 with a bit more and will allow android to run on a screen bigger than 7". This is not a exclusion of 3.0 but, rather just a modding of 2.3
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It's just another version of Android, so that's obvious.
The bigger issue here is how much of the functionality will be backported to existing Android handsets.
For example, the Google Talk Client in that video supports Native Video chat. Will Existing phones with FFC get a backported GTalk client, or will it require a firmware upgrade (which will probably never come to the likes of an Evo, MT4G, and Epic4G)?
It's extremely frustrating to use a platform with so many functionality gaps that requires you to upgrade you phone virtually every 6 months just to get trivial Quality of Life updates, or do the Custom ROM upgrade treadmill thing...
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This news has been around for awhile. The 3.0 is basically 2.3 with a bit more and will allow android to run on a screen bigger than 7". This is not a exclusion of 3.0 but, rather just a modding of 2.3
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Google hasn't announce the Honeycomb for mobile phones yet, the current handsets on the market if they will get the upgrade might already be obsolete, the upcoming dual processor powered handsets will be more suitable for the new OS release, and I am pretty sure the time the news will trickle down we might as well just be on the market for the new handsets. I understand not everyone shares the same view but I know for myself I would not be holding onto my Vibrant till it evaporates into dust
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It's just another version of Android, so that's obvious.
The bigger issue here is how much of the functionality will be backported to existing Android handsets.
For example, the Google Talk Client in that video supports Native Video chat. Will Existing phones with FFC get a backported GTalk client, or will it require a firmware upgrade (which will probably never come to the likes of an Evo, MT4G, and Epic4G)?
It's extremely frustrating to use a platform with so many functionality gaps that requires you to upgrade you phone virtually every 6 months just to get trivial Quality of Life updates, or do the Custom ROM upgrade treadmill thing...
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What functionality gaps? There are phones out right now with video calling, why does it matter if its native? if the upgrades are trivial, why are you worrying about them?
You do realize you don't have to upgrade from custom roms, you can stick to using an older one. I already know the answer to that, I find your sig hilarious because its your sig.
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What functionality gaps? There are phones out right now with video calling, why does it matter if its native? if the upgrades are trivial, why are you worrying about them?
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1. Because video calling on Android is fragmented to hell right now. Some people use QIK. Some people use Tango. Some people use Yahoo, Fring, etc. I'm not installing 3-5 applications on my phone (2-3 of which runs battery whoring services in the background) just to video call. A native solution is necessary, unless a more umbiquitous 3rd party like Skype brings Video Calling to Android.
That's why a Native Solution is needed. So that you can just look in Google Talk and video call with anyone you know who has it installed on their Android phone OR Computer/Notebook/Netbook.
2. It's trivial in a way that it should be easy to backport them to lower Android versions. That's why I worry about them. Phones aren't cheap - contract or not. This was particularly an issue going from Android 1.5 to 1.6,a nd FroYo to Gingerbread is looking somewhat similar, IMO. Again, fairly obvious...
You do realize you don't have to upgrade from custom roms, you can stick to using an older one. I already know the answer to that, I find your sig hilarious because its your sig.
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I think you're missing the point. You don't have to use anything. You can be totally stock forever. So what...
Custom ROMs have issues and the release cycle of them is too fast, yet they're endorsed here as if they're official ROM builds. When one build fixes an issue, it often introduces another issue (I read change logs, and I do keep up with them somewhat, even though I don't use them). It puts you into an upgrade treadmill that I simply can't (and won't) deal with. I don't have time to constantly reflash my phone - like most of the flashers here do.
The fact that you don't have to upgrade you ROM doesn't mean you won't have to upgrade your ROM.
Official ROMs and devices will get thoroughly reviewed by me in the future, especially since I plan to move off of T-Mobile and only stick with carriers that give 30 day return policies.
Glad you like the sig /rolleyes
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Morrill: No minimum processor requirements for Honeycomb http://bit.ly/eK9qrG
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What about RAM?
Well, probably won't be an issue for Galaxy S phones since the Nexus S probably has the same RAM configuration as ours...
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1. Because video calling on Android is fragmented to hell right now. Some people use QIK. Some people use Tango. Some people use Yahoo, Fring, etc. I'm not installing 3-5 applications on my phone (2-3 of which runs battery whoring services in the background) just to video call. A native solution is necessary, unless a more umbiquitous 3rd party like Skype brings Video Calling to Android.
That's why a Native Solution is needed. So that you can just look in Google Talk and video call with anyone you know who has it installed on their Android phone OR Computer/Notebook/Netbook.
2. It's trivial in a way that it should be easy to backport them to lower Android versions. That's why I worry about them. Phones aren't cheap - contract or not. This was particularly an issue going from Android 1.5 to 1.6,a nd FroYo to Gingerbread is looking somewhat similar, IMO. Again, fairly obvious...
I think you're missing the point. You don't have to use anything. You can be totally stock forever. So what...
Custom ROMs have issues and the release cycle of them is too fast, yet they're endorsed here as if they're official ROM builds. When one build fixes an issue, it often introduces another issue (I read change logs, and I do keep up with them somewhat, even though I don't use them). It puts you into an upgrade treadmill that I simply can't (and won't) deal with. I don't have time to constantly reflash my phone - like most of the flashers here do.
The fact that you don't have to upgrade you ROM doesn't mean you won't have to upgrade your ROM.
Official ROMs and devices will get thoroughly reviewed by me in the future, especially since I plan to move off of T-Mobile and only stick with carriers that give 30 day return policies.
Glad you like the sig /rolleyes
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I get that they have all the different video calling options will make it difficult how about one that integrates all of them into one app ala trillian? Then if your someone who likes to talk to people on different messengers you can have an all in one variety without limiting others to your specifications.
I know TW has a few final builds that you can use until you get a new phone. As far as the manufacturers its all about making money. Android provides a base for these manufacturers to add components the market might want and that is what makes them money. They can offer high and low end devices and still say hey you can have apps. I don't really care for this, and it is one of the things I like about the iphone and WP7. It still comes down to asthetics, I can do what I want on my android phone and make it look however I want and for the most part without voiding my warranty.
If you're *****ing about Android, STFU, QQ, and move to your beloved iPhone.
If it seriously bothers you THAT much, just sell your phone and purchase a non-android solution.
thanks.
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If you're *****ing about Android, STFU, QQ, and move to your beloved iPhone.
If it seriously bothers you THAT much, just sell your phone and purchase a non-android solution.
thanks.
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Finally someone who gets that all he is is an Android hating troll
N8ter said:
It puts you into an upgrade treadmill that I simply can't (and won't) deal with. I don't have time to constantly reflash my phone - like most of the flashers here do.
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I'm wondering why exactly you feel your opinion is of any relevance to anyone but yourself on the xda DEVELOPERS forum. This is a development community, not a social comments board. The people who are here are (mostly) here because they are interested in developing and tweaking their phones. Why do we want to hear your biased opinion about Android if you aren't even willing to participate in the primary activity shared by members of this site?
Furthermore, you complain about the primary activity linking everyone here. You call it a "treadmill", implying that the activity invested into it leads nowhere, and insult the hard working devs who invest their PERSONAL time for nothing but thanks. Why don't you go complain to another community you aren't insulting, implied or otherwise?
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I'm wondering why exactly you feel your opinion is of any relevance to anyone but yourself on the xda DEVELOPERS forum. This is a development community, not a social comments board. The people who are here are (mostly) here because they are interested in developing and tweaking their phones. Why do we want to hear your biased opinion about Android if you aren't even willing to participate in the primary activity shared by members of this site?
Furthermore, you complain about the primary activity linking everyone here. You call it a "treadmill", implying that the activity invested into it leads nowhere, and insult the hard working devs who invest their PERSONAL time for nothing but thanks. Why don't you go complain to another community you aren't insulting, implied or otherwise?
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This is the general forum.
Didn't read the rest.
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Thegreatheed said:
I'm wondering why exactly you feel your opinion is of any relevance to anyone but yourself on the xda DEVELOPERS forum. This is a development community, not a social comments board. The people who are here are (mostly) here because they are interested in developing and tweaking their phones. Why do we want to hear your biased opinion about Android if you aren't even willing to participate in the primary activity shared by members of this site?
Furthermore, you complain about the primary activity linking everyone here. You call it a "treadmill", implying that the activity invested into it leads nowhere, and insult the hard working devs who invest their PERSONAL time for nothing but thanks. Why don't you go complain to another community you aren't insulting, implied or otherwise?
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If this were true their wouldn't be a WP7 forum lawl...
Thegreatheed said:
I'm wondering why exactly you feel your opinion is of any relevance to anyone but yourself on the xda DEVELOPERS forum. This is a development community, not a social comments board. The people who are here are (mostly) here because they are interested in developing and tweaking their phones. Why do we want to hear your biased opinion about Android if you aren't even willing to participate in the primary activity shared by members of this site?
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You've shown disdain towards Android, the Vibrant, and the developer community here in general. Why keep coming back? If you dont agree with the entire reason this forum exists (modding, tweaking and developing) then why not move to a forum with less of that going on? The general forums are filled with enough trash to turn anyone into a cynic, so if I wasnt here for the dev community, I would have been gone a long time ago.
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If you're *****ing about Android, STFU, QQ, and move to your beloved iPhone.
If it seriously bothers you THAT much, just sell your phone and purchase a non-android solution.
thanks.
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Hi all,
Will there be any chance of porting WM6.5 ROMs to Desire Z?
Loved form factor of Z, but i just disliked android.
no offense, but not a chance in hell
it has been done on other devices, but I'm not sure if any one is actively developing a WM os to the Vision at this point.
prepare to get flamed, by the way.. personally, I'm all for cross-platform phones... the more options, the better. kudos to you for having the balls to even bring it up on an android-specific section of xda, hehe.
*Aims flame cannon*
haha, kidding.. Not sure what purpose you would need WM6.5 for when Android is so much better; unless it was employment related, but in that case, wouldn't it make sense the company supplied the hardware for you?
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it has been done on other devices, but I'm not sure if any one is actively developing a WM os to the Vision at this point.
prepare to get flamed, by the way.. personally, I'm all for cross-platform phones... the more options, the better. kudos to you for having the balls to even bring it up on an android-specific section of xda, hehe.
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THIS. 10char
You should give Android a decent chance. There is absolutely nothing I miss about WM.
Like greengoldmello said, not a chance in hell. You'd be more likely to get WP7 or *GASP* iOS *blech* *ptooie* -sorry, I just gagged a little- than Win 6.5, and the chance of that is slim to none and slim ain't around. Unless of course, you want to make it happen. If so, good luck to you sir.
You know, my computer came with Windows 7 on it, but any chance I could get Win95 on here?
But seriously, I highly doubt there is anyone out there willing to put in a decent amount of time towards getting an extremely outdated, less functional OS onto a device that is perfectly fine with Android on it right now.
With all the news today surrounding the Nexus experience HTC One there was a point i feel was a little lost. While most of the news centered as to if we can port Sense specific features to AOSP roms (we cant), and all the things that the AOSP One (i am calling it the AOSP One because we have not heard otherwise at this point) will be lacking here is what was lost... and to those of us who have been in the community for years its amazing.
We've been recognized by OEM's.... Think years back when Motorola was locking its bootloader down, HTC wasnt far behind and Samsung was not being very helpful. The modding community was pretty much shoved to the side, and while some OEM's started (half-assed until recently) to provide solutions and options to locked down bootloaders, they widely sucked. The dev model of the Motorola Razr series comes with No Warranty whatsoever once you unlock it.
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Of note, there is no MAY like the HTC and NEXUS line have while unlocking.
And up until recently HTC still had issues after unlocking your bootloader with flashing the boot partition and/or adjusting the System partition. It was touchy to say the least.
But finally OEM's are willing to recognize the development community and provide devices that enable us to do what we love to do so much. The price is a 50/50 but a $20 premium is not much of a fee to pay over the stock unlocked model for the One.
For those of us who have been fighting the good fight for years we have done it, we have made a change in the way OEM's work, even if it is a side effort they are still recognizing us and building a device for us. I really honestly wish i could trade in my Tmobile One for the AOSP model, just to show my support for HTC but frankly cannot afford it.
Unfortunately, it won't actually mean anything. It does show that these companies are opening up to development, but the AOSP edition phones themselves will lack so many features that make them distinct. Google has to do some serious discussions with HTC to come out with an open-sourced solution to proprietary hardware like ImageSense and possibly Boomsound as well.
ArmedandDangerous said:
Unfortunately, it won't actually mean anything. It does show that these companies are opening up to development, but the AOSP edition phones themselves will lack so many features that make them distinct. Google has to do some serious discussions with HTC to come out with an open-sourced solution to proprietary hardware like ImageSense and possibly Boomsound as well.
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Why does everyone think Google & HTC are about to ship some horribly unoptimized phone and open themselves up to the media sh*tshow that would ensue? I don't understand.
HTC is handling the One with SUCH pride and it's such an important device for them, I don't think they'd stand for a noticeably crippled device. And what would that say about vanilla Android if everyone attributes the 'suck' of the device to it's operating system?
Both Google & HTC have probably been working on this for a good while and SOMEONE has raised these issues in-house and I'm sure they're both working together to work out all the kinks & provide a solid device ready to put the Nexus experience into more people's hands.
I also think 4.3 is just around the corner and will continue to achieve parity with third party solutions & ideas, especially in imaging, and hopefully someone will figure out this button situation once and for all.
Interesting thought, but I do believe vanilla Android will be just that. No HTC features. HTC gets to sell a phone.
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Interesting thought, but I do believe vanilla Android will be just that. No HTC features. HTC gets to sell a phone.
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I agree. The Nexus Experience will be nothing more than plain vanilla Android running on a HTC ONE. Anyone expecting anything else is just fooling themselves.
When has vanilla Android been anything overly exciting? My experience with the Nexus 4 was boring as hell. I basically just had a device that just worked without any features, kind of like Apple OS.
Call me crazy but I've always loved the overlay that Samsung and HTC adds to Android.
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What it gives us is longevity and prompt update.
Coming from Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4, I prefer a lot of features in Sense 5 over vanilla android. Even 4.3 won't be able to tempt me to go back to vanilla.
But since updates on these Nexus experience devices are supposed to be maintained by Google, what this means is that the One will be among the first devices to get a fully functional Key Lime Pie rom this fall. Without this new Nexus One, we would probably have to wait at least half a year before HTC can come up with Sense 6 or something on KLM.
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I think what is being missed about a aosp HTC one. No it won't have sense features, if it did, it wouldn't be aosp. What's important is that it will be a pure android experience WITH all of the proprietary hardware drivers. So no it won't have Zoe, but it will have the same quality image capturing as the sense. No, it won't have Beats sound codecs, but the boomsound will have the same awesome sound as sense with beats turned off. All in all it is going to be what we've wanted forever. The bugs in most all aosp builds are from not having proprietary hardware drivers. We will have a base for the devs to build on that is built by the manufacturer. AWESOME
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I think what is being missed about a aosp HTC one. No it won't have sense features, if it did, it wouldn't be aosp. What's important is that it will be a pure android experience WITH all of the proprietary hardware drivers. So no it won't have Zoe, but it will have the same quality image capturing as the sense. No, it won't have Beats sound codecs, but the boomsound will have the same awesome sound as sense with beats turned off. All in all it is going to be what we've wanted forever. The bugs in most all aosp builds are from not having proprietary hardware drivers. We will have a base for the devs to build on that is built by the manufacturer. AWESOME
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It's not just Zoe that you won't get. It's ImageSense that you have to worry about, cos that processes the images to be what it is. We can only hope that the new device would come with open-source versions of drivers for these features as they are embedded deeply into the Sense framework.
Nexus usually means quickest Andriod updates, since no dependencies on OEM skins/overlay development and testing. And ongoing platform support... at least until features can't be supported by hardware.
I've been a long time CyanogenMod fan, but the Sense 5 experience is good so far. Snappy interface, clean, good battery life... but I do some 4.2.2 features from my HOXL. If HTC lags too far behind with Sense 5 development, then it may warrant switching to CM or going naked Android. For now Blinkfeed and Zoe are interesting... wish I could increase the density of icons in Sense...
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It's not just Zoe that you won't get. It's ImageSense that you have to worry about, cos that processes the images to be what it is. We can only hope that the new device would come with open-source versions of drivers for these features as they are embedded deeply into the Sense framework.
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Quoted from The Verge:
"Of course, the big question with running stock on the One is how HTC's unique hardware features will work without its software, and it sounds like there's good news: Barra told me Beats Audio will still work — the hardware optimization is active all the time, but it won't put an icon in the menu bar. HTC's UltraPixel camera module is still present, but it's being made to work with the stock Android camera app — Barra said it'll just "do what it does," adding that more details would be forthcoming as Google and HTC work on the software."
That should settle some worries about Beats and ImageSense support. I wouldn't get my hopes up for Zoe, though...
I am sure they will deliver working htc features like beats, zoe, cam, IR remote and stuff. Otherwise they'd do a huge mistake marketing wise.
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I am sure they will deliver working htc features like beats, zoe, cam, IR remote and stuff. Otherwise they'd do a huge mistake marketing wise.
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They have already gone on record that the ir, zoe, camera enhancements etc won't be added as these are sense specific.
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I am sure they will deliver working htc features like beats, zoe, cam, IR remote and stuff. Otherwise they'd do a huge mistake marketing wise.
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Being proprietary features, they will not just port the whole thing over to AOSP cos it needs Sense to work. What HTC can do is make new drivers that are open-sourced for AOSP that interface with these hardware
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I don't understand.
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What don't you understand?
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Being proprietary features, they will not just port the whole thing over to AOSP cos it needs Sense to work. What HTC can do is make new drivers that are open-sourced for AOSP that interface with these hardware
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This is sad. I've been running CM10.1-nightlies for about a week and I really like AOSP/Nexus-style, but the camera in original/sense-based roms are better than CM, at least right now. (Can't really compare to alpha-nightlies)
If HTC were to release the camera-app for playstore that'd be awesome, and I would actually not mind paying a dollar or so for it. But if you're right about it being a driver issue as well I'm not quite sure how they'd be able to solve that with just a camera-app, haven't had time to read up on those parts of Android yet since I'm fairly new to this world (as my post count would suggest).
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This is sad. I've been running CM10.1-nightlies for about a week and I really like AOSP/Nexus-style, but the camera in original/sense-based roms are better than CM, at least right now. (Can't really compare to alpha-nightlies)
If HTC were to release the camera-app for playstore that'd be awesome, and I would actually not mind paying a dollar or so for it. But if you're right about it being a driver issue as well I'm not quite sure how they'd be able to solve that with just a camera-app, haven't had time to read up on those parts of Android yet since I'm fairly new to this world (as my post count would suggest).
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Welcome to Android! An app would be great, but I don't think that would be enough. It's a HTC-only feature that requires the Sense framework to work, so to me the only logical way to proceed is to create a second set of drivers that are open-source and compatible with AOSP.
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Welcome to Android! An app would be great, but I don't think that would be enough. It's a HTC-only feature that requires the Sense framework to work, so to me the only logical way to proceed is to create a second set of drivers that are open-source and compatible with AOSP.
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Would a 3rd party camera app suffice in these sort of circumstances?
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Would a 3rd party camera app suffice in these sort of circumstances?
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Nope. ImageSense is a proprietary piece of hardware exclusive to HTC and Sense and is not accessible/fully accessible through 3rd party apps. They'll still have the Ultrapixels to play with though
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Nope. ImageSense is a proprietary piece of hardware exclusive to HTC and Sense and is not accessible/fully accessible through 3rd party apps. They'll still have the Ultrapixels to play with though
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When 4.2.2 is released for the sense edition phones I am sure there will be camera comparisons between both editions and I reckon there won't be that much of a difference between them.
if they dont include these sense based features they cant sell it for the same price - ergo it has to be alot cheaper hence everyone would buy the stockandroid ONE and flash SENSE custom Roms on it.
I'd do it this way