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I bought my Galaxy SII, a few days back. At that time i had option to choose between I9100 and I9100G, as the vendor had both. So, i preferred I9100 over I9100G.
Many of you, may have got I9100G, recently, as it is the new stock available. Samsung is trying to replace the original SII, i.e. I9100 with I9100G, in the markets of INDIA, MALAYSIA & SINGAPORE.
This is to fulfill the demands of GALAXY SII, which has increased vastly. So, to fulfill the demand, before it dies out, SAMSUNG has quietly slipped I9100G version, which has PowerVR TI OMAP 4430 processor, and not the Exynos 4210.
So, what i have researched and found out is that, it is better, if you can get an I9100, before it extincts, instead of getting stuck with "G".
By no means, i am saying that, I9100G, is bad, what i am trying to say here is that, its not as good as I9100's Exynos.
Some major differences which i found out are:-
1. Galaxy SII I9100 will be the first in the GALAXY family, to get an ICS update.
2. Exynos processors still have huge RAW power.
3. The isuue is GPU used in I9100G has PowerVR540 TI OMAP 4430, at 300 MHz,which is single core and weak, compared to MALI400MP+, which is quadcore inside Exynos.
******I am talking about GPU, and not single or dual core CPU******
4. Regarding future updates, I9100G users may be isolated, as I9100G is not replacing original I9100 in EU, and so many other countries.
5. Also, the development support for I9100, is much much much greater than I9100G. As majority of the community still uses I9100.
6. The overheating problem is very less in I9100G, as compared to I9100.
7. Battery, too performs well in I9100G.
8. But, both overheating, and battery improvement, doesn't comes without cost. I9100G doesn't gets overheated, because its cpu is clocked max at 1.008 Ghz, unlike 1.2Ghz in I9100. Same, helps with improved battery.
Well, these were the major issues which i pointed out.
Also, here i am just trying to convey knowledge, which i gained to others.I have not posted this to decide whats superior, its just a comaprison.
Any Opinions, or views is warmly welcomed.
Nice post. I suggest you head to Indian Galaxy SII owner thread for more details.
The Indian I9100G got an official 2.3.6 update via Samsung KIES and I9100 DIDNT get any update. Its still stuck on 2.3.3 in India, where as most of the world got 2.3.6 1-2 weeks back. So in short, Samsung has stopped supporting FW update for I9100 via KIES and OTA.
Check the thread for more details. Members are posting Samsung India on Facebook, Twitter, their customer support chat etc etc. Only way to upgrade Indian I9100 is to flash European Firmware.
spoiltz said:
I bought my Galaxy SII, a few days back. At that time i had option to choose between I9100 and I9100G, as the vendor had both. So, i preferred I9100 over I9100G.
Many of you, may have got I9100G, recently, as it is the new stock available. Samsung is trying to replace the original SII, i.e. I9100 with I9100G, in the markets of INDIA, MALAYSIA & SINGAPORE.
This is to fulfill the demands of GALAXY SII, which has increased vastly. So, to fulfill the demand, before it dies out, SAMSUNG has quietly slipped I9100G version, which has PowerVR TI OMAP 4430 processor, and not the Exynos 4210.
So, what i have researched and found out is that, it is better, if you can get an I9100, before it extincts, instead of getting stuck with "G".
By no means, i am saying that, I9100G, is bad, what i am trying to say here is that, its not as good as I9100's Exynos.
Some major differences which i found out are:-
1. Galaxy SII I9100 will be the first in the GALAXY family, to get an ICS update.
2. Exynos processors still have huge RAW power.
3. The isuue is GPU used in I9100G has PowerVR540 TI OMAP 4430, at 300 MHz,which is single core and weak, compared to MALI400MP+, which is quadcore inside Exynos.
******I am talking about GPU, and not single or dual core CPU******
4. Regarding future updates, I9100G users may be isolated, as I9100G is not replacing original I9100 in EU, and so many other countries.
5. Also, the development support for I9100, is much much much greater than I9100G. As majority of the community still uses I9100.
6. The overheating problem is very less in I9100G, as compared to I9100.
7. Battery, too performs well in I9100G.
8. But, both overheating, and battery improvement, doesn't comes without cost. I9100G doesn't gets overheated, because its cpu is clocked max at 1.008 Ghz, unlike 1.2Ghz in I9100. Same, helps with improved battery.
Well, these were the major issues which i pointed out.
Also, here i am just trying to convey knowledge, which i gained to others.I have not posted this to decide whats superior, its just a comaprison.
Any Opinions, or views is warmly welcomed.
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I9100G is better for porting cyanogenmod etc.
TI is a very good Soc vendor
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^Yeah, that is a plus point of I9100G. The TI OMAP processor is very dev friendly, thanks to its source being released and its presence in many phones like Optimus 2X, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S, Moto Razr etc. This is one of the reasons why 2.3.6 update of I9100G was released earlier than I9100 in India. I bet ICS porting will also be easy as Galaxy Nexus is also using Ti OMAP (4460 instead of 4430) but same Power VR GPU.
Expect ports of all major ROMS soon. CM9 and MIUI ports are already confirmed.
Also, the I9100G sound quality is better than I9100, thanks to OMAP processor. We all know about the audio quality of S2 from the Anandtech article, which criticizes the Ymaha DAC used on I9100.
The Mali GPU isn't quad core, doesn't mean it says 4 cores its quad, e.g my amd gpu has 600 cores, so whats that?
The Mali GPU is a single core in the SGS2, it is better than the SGX543 which Apple A5 chip uses but has 2 SGX543 which is why it outperforms all GPU even Tegra 3 which atm is the best single GPU.
ambar_hitman said:
Nice post. I suggest you head to Indian Galaxy SII owner thread for more details.
The Indian I9100G got an official 2.3.6 update via Samsung KIES and I9100 DIDNT get any update. Its still stuck on 2.3.3 in India, where as most of the world got 2.3.6 1-2 weeks back. So in short, Samsung has stopped supporting FW update for I9100 via KIES and OTA.
Check the thread for more details. Members are posting Samsung India on Facebook, Twitter, their customer support chat etc etc. Only way to upgrade Indian I9100 is to flash European Firmware.
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The official support for indian i9100, is not closed.
Still, the phone will get ICS, confirmed it via Samsung India.
ambar_hitman said:
^Yeah, that is a plus point of I9100G. The TI OMAP processor is very dev friendly, thanks to its source being released and its presence in many phones like Optimus 2X, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S, Moto Razr etc. This is one of the reasons why 2.3.6 update of I9100G was released earlier than I9100 in India. I bet ICS porting will also be easy as Galaxy Nexus is also using Ti OMAP (4460 instead of 4430) but same Power VR GPU.
Expect ports of all major ROMS soon. CM9 and MIUI ports are already confirmed.
Also, the I9100G sound quality is better than I9100, thanks to OMAP processor. We all know about the audio quality of S2 from the Anandtech article, which criticizes the Ymaha DAC used on I9100.
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Both the phones got pro's as well as con's.
I9100 still got better development support, as it is available in majority of countries. Whereas, I9100G will only be pushed to India, Vietnam, Malaysia & Singapore Markets.
Updates which are being developed, will be first pushed to I9100, as its community is vast.
It doesn't matters, if an update is being pushed to India or not.Actually, this is the point of us being here, that if we don't get something, and are not satisfied, we can look at development at xda. A EU firmware, or any other firmware, doesn't really matters.
Same thing applies, with I9100G, it really doesn't matters, what you have got with it, there is always development, as long as devs support it.
For now, I9100 got better support, as it was here from a long time. Now, that I9100G is here, it too will get supported.
Rest TI OMAP4430 PoverVR540, too is on par with Exynos 4210.
I9100G replacing I9100 is not true, Until the stock arrives for I9100 , the"G" series will be replacing it.
bala_gamer said:
I9100G replacing I9100 is not true, Until the stock arrives for I9100 , the"G" series will be replacing it.
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The thing is, to meet the demands of I9100, Samsung pushed I9100G, quietly, so that the demand doesn't dies out.
Also, as i was informed by the Samsung People, was that I9100G, will be available from now on.
malaysia
in my state, no more non-G version
spoiltz said:
The official support for indian i9100, is not closed.
Still, the phone will get ICS, confirmed it via Samsung India.
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Can you confirm why 2.3.6 or 2.3.5 or even 2.3.4 not released for I9100 in India?
Also, all online retailers selling I9100 have increased their prices in one day, hinting that I9100 stocks are limited.
I9100G replacing I9100 is not true, Until the stock arrives for I9100 , the"G" series will be replacing it.
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Unfortunately, most Asia-Pacific markets wont be having I9100 anymore. Its already stopped in Malaysia, even proper I9100G boxes are there. They announced it on their Facebook as well. Soon, it will be the same in India.
OMAP is better than Samsung chipset.
Okay, the processor is almost equal to Exynos.
Only Mali 400 is beating SGX540 (I've it good?).
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netchip said:
OMAP is better than Samsung chipset.
Okay, the processor is almost equal to Exynos.
Only Mali 400 is beating SGX540 (I've it good?).
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Wrong. The Exynos chipset is the fastest processor on a phone to date.
The OMAP4430 in the G is not anywhere near as good as the Exynos.
The Mali-400 is faster then the SGX540 by a mile.
The 9100G has inferior performance then the 9100.
khartaras said:
Wrong. The Exynos chipset is the fastest processor on a phone to date.
The OMAP4430 in the G is not anywhere near as good as the Exynos.
The Mali-400 is faster then the SGX540 by a mile.
The 9100G has inferior performance then the 9100.
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OMAP 4430 == OMAP 4460 the last one get 7000 antutu WITHOUT OCing, LOL
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netchip said:
OMAP 4430 == OMAP 4460 the last one get 7000 antutu WITHOUT OCing, LOL
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Guys, guys.... the thread really doesn't make sense if we get back at each other like this.
Being in a community, every one has right to express their views.Be it Wrong or Right.
netchip said:
OMAP is better than Samsung chipset.
Okay, the processor is almost equal to Exynos.
Only Mali 400 is beating SGX540 (I've it good?).
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U are right buddy, Mali 400 beats SGX540.
Also, Exynos was the chipset designed for best phones of samsung. TI OMAP, is comparitively not so new, and nxt gen.
I've seen Mali lose in some open gl benchmarks to sgx 540 in the optimus 3D an when it does beat Mali its not by a lot an I think To has best gpus that's y Samsung used it in the Og Galaxy
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And here i was worrying so much that ive gotten myself a i9100g. After hearing that the CPU was only clocked at 1ghz, and was built with a completely different chipset, i felt cheated. I was also worried about the amount of DEV support that my phone would be receiving...But after reading this thread a little i guess it gave me some confidence in my phone
Is there a reason why the i9100g version was only clocked at 1gz? because ive clocked it to 1.2ghz most of the time...im afraid that might cause problem
Im from Malaysia here.. its a quite a debate seeing galaxy nexus potential users saying the exynos aint that superb compared to the G variant.. but im not seeing any ICS yet to it despite it having omap just like galaxy nexus itself..
And they compared about the DAC.. is yamaha dac is that bad and is the one in the G variant is damn good till voodoo sound applicable? Thats a debate indeed
I own a 9100 non G and happy with the support it has from the devs for now.. best to say that for now if ur flashing custom roms and kernel, go for the original sgs2 instead of the G variant.. thats all.. the rest is too argumentative
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hakgao said:
And here i was worrying so much that ive gotten myself a i9100g. After hearing that the CPU was only clocked at 1ghz, and was built with a completely different chipset, i felt cheated. I was also worried about the amount of DEV support that my phone would be receiving...But after reading this thread a little i guess it gave me some confidence in my phone
Is there a reason why the i9100g version was only clocked at 1gz? because ive clocked it to 1.2ghz most of the time...im afraid that might cause problem
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I9100G , is clocked at 1ghz, is a good thing for "G".
It doesn't overheats, easily, as I9100 variant.
Also, the battery life is better.
Samsung Exynos processors are power clocked to churn extreme processing.
But what's the difference between the Exynos and Qualcomm processors that are glued on Note 2.
Who's the beast and who's the cheetah Please help me, clarify the doubt.
THANKS • JB • XD/\PP
I think the exynos is the best in it's class, always has been.
VR.gtmini said:
Samsung Exynos processors are power clocked to churn extreme processing.
But what's the difference between the Exynos and Qualcomm processors that are glued on Note 2.
Who's the beast and who's the cheetah Please help me, clarify the doubt.
THANKS • JB • XD/\PP
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http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...vs-samsung-exynos-tablet-processor-benchmarks
or
http://www.google.co.in/#hl=en&scli...pw.r_qf.&fp=cbd186cbbddc8760&biw=1366&bih=673
The S4 Pro is a bit more advanced as it's architecture is newer than current exynos and wins most benchmarks, but I can't imagine any performance differences large enough you'd notice. They're close enough that optimization will be deciding factor...and it's probably correct to trust Sammy more with their own processors.
johnchad14 said:
The S4 Pro is a bit more advanced as it's architecture is newer than current exynos and wins most benchmarks, but I can't imagine any performance differences large enough you'd notice. They're close enough that optimization will be deciding factor...and it's probably correct to trust Sammy more with their own processors.
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This and the Exynos comes with a better DAC.
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Few months to go nd it will be s4 pro quad core vs exyones 5250 dual core
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I have an AT&T Note with the Qualcom hardware and an N7000 note with the Exynos hardware. To get the performance I want (no lag and good battery life), I had to root the Qualcom model and use custom ROMs. The unrooted N7000 international version runs with little lag and better battery life. It also has the hardware for FM Radio which I use all the time but no AT&T band 17 LTE.
I sincerely, hope that the AT&T Note II will have the Exynos Quad Core stuff from Samsung rather than the Qualcom hardware. You can perform all the benchmarks you want. They don't really mean that much. It's the total user experience that counts. Exynos delivers. If you want best benchmarks, buy one of the new HTC products. You'll be back to Samsung in no time.
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It's not even a question anymore. Samsung already stated in their press release that the US versions are coming with the exynos soc.
"Galaxy Note II marks the U.S. debut of Samsung’s Exynos™ 1.6 GHz quad-core processor optimized for LTE networks. It has 2GB of internal RAM; and comes with 16 GB of onboard file storage and supports up to 64GB of additional memory with a microSD® card."
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20276
It looks like from a development standpoint, Qualcomms Snapdragon SoC is the better choice.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31873214&postcount=7773
Judging by the comments on Google Play the top games have best compatibility and performance with Exynos versus Snapdragon.
mi7chy said:
Judging by the comments on Google Play the top games have best compatibility and performance with Exynos versus Snapdragon.
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And the most compatibility and assortment of games come from imagination technologies gpus. I want me some rogue already.
will key lime pie add another row of apps to my homescreen?
iahk said:
It's not even a question anymore. Samsung already stated in their press release that the US versions are coming with the exynos soc.
"Galaxy Note II marks the U.S. debut of Samsung’s Exynos™ 1.6 GHz quad-core processor optimized for LTE networks. It has 2GB of internal RAM; and comes with 16 GB of onboard file storage and supports up to 64GB of additional memory with a microSD® card."
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20276
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I saw this but will believe it when I see it. AT&T has had a sad history of removing features from Samsung's phones. It began with the AT&T Captivate which was a Galaxy S sans the front facing camera and the FM radio. I had to buy the Canadian Galaxy S Vibrant to get these features and have the phone work on AT&T's 3G network. (I still have this phone with it's hummingbird processor which was the predecessor to Exynos. It is running Cyanogen 10 extremely well with all features working.)
When the Galaxy SII came out for AT&T there was no FM radio or it was disabled. I bought the international version with Exynos hardware in which Samsung had put the appropriate radios for AT&T 3G and the FM radio.
I did not buy the SIII from AT&T for exactly the same reason - it had the Qualcom hardware without the FM radio. Don't get me wrong, the Qualcom hardware us good; it's just not the best. It may be easier for developers to hack. However, Samsung has done a great job of frequently updating its software for the international Exynos packing models of its phones. Samsung's software running on the Exynos hardware is arguably better than any custom ROM especially for the Note. My international Note is running the very latest stock German ROM from Samsung. It runs almost as fast as my AT&T Note that is running some of the best custom ROMs, but all the features work perfectly including the S-Pen apps and Samsung's S-Planner apps which are the best task/scheduling apps I've seen to date.
God bless Samsung for it's amazing I-Phone killing products and it's ability to hopefully, finally keep AT&T from dumbing down its US offerings.
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rambo6 said:
I saw this but will believe it when I see it. AT&T has had a sad history of removing features from Samsung's phones. It began with the AT&T Captivate which was a Galaxy S sans the front facing camera and the FM radio. I had to buy the Canadian Galaxy S Vibrant to get these features and have the phone work on AT&T's 3G network. (I still have this phone with it's hummingbird processor which was the predecessor to Exynos. It is running Cyanogen 10 extremely well with all features working.)
When the Galaxy SII came out for AT&T there was no FM radio or it was disabled. I bought the international version with Exynos hardware in which Samsung had put the appropriate radios for AT&T 3G and the FM radio.
I did not buy the SIII from AT&T for exactly the same reason - it had the Qualcom hardware without the FM radio. Don't get me wrong, the Qualcom hardware us good; it's just not the best. It may be easier for developers to hack. However, Samsung has done a great job of frequently updating its software for the international Exynos packing models of its phones. Samsung's software running on the Exynos hardware is arguably better than any custom ROM especially for the Note. My international Note is running the very latest stock German ROM from Samsung. It runs almost as fast as my AT&T Note that is running some of the best custom ROMs, but all the features work perfectly including the S-Pen apps and Samsung's S-Planner apps which are the best task/scheduling apps I've seen to date.
God bless Samsung for it's amazing I-Phone killing products and it's ability to hopefully, finally keep AT&T from dumbing down its US offerings.
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It's one thing to remove an app its another to swap an entire cpu architecture. The only reason the cpu difference was there for the gs3 was due to wireless incompatibility issues. Now that the chips support our lte infrastructure, we will see identical hardware sans maybe body color as the international version.
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I'm about 50/50 on the AT&T Note II.
Positives:
It's the evil I know - same SoC as I9300, so most of the hard AOSP bringup work has been done already
Performance beast with one of the best screens available
Negatives:
Exynos is going to suck in terms of AOSP bringups when the next version of Android comes out. Look at the Exynos 4210 - No solid reliable ICS until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source. Look at 4412 - no solid reliable JB until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source.
If a device has reference platform source (CAF for Qcom, omapzoom for OMAP), it has a major advantage in terms of early AOSP bringup. Of course, this advantage is negated if the manufacturer diverges significantly from the reference source (HTC is notorious for this, so is Samsung - their handsets don't even remotely match what reference source does exist. So it's going to be bad news for AOSP work unless Samsung makes major changes. I see no evidence of this - they pride themselves in withholding documentation and source code. Hell, they barely even bother with GPL compliance, at least 50% of their source releases don't even remotely match the shipping kernels on the device. (See the Tab 2 source fiasco, no Note 10.1 source drop matches any shipped kernel and in fact none of them have a reliable wifi driver, I9300 update5 source has Mali r3p0 drivers but the first Kies deployment has r2p4 drivers...)
AT&T in general... I may hold off on LTE phones until more is known about whether Straight Talk will allow the LTE capabilities of AT&T's network to be used. (My current plan is to ditch AT&T as soon as my contract is up...)
Man, i wish the oem's would get on the ics/jb train already. Finding a great phone with the software navigation buttons is tricky. Sony and asus are on board, but sony has a couple shortcomings with battery life and phone design and asus needs to release official specs on padfone 2 to seriously consider. Samsung needs to ditch the physical button already. I think they have made enough noise and made some appler's turn their heads for a second. Samsung drop the button and get with the aosp program already! Damn koreans.
will key lime pie add another row of apps to my homescreen?
Man when would this Samsung, te4(exyones5250) device release I want to see it perform
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Entropy512 said:
I'm about 50/50 on the AT&T Note II.
Positives:
It's the evil I know - same SoC as I9300, so most of the hard AOSP bringup work has been done already
Performance beast with one of the best screens available
Negatives:
Exynos is going to suck in terms of AOSP bringups when the next version of Android comes out. Look at the Exynos 4210 - No solid reliable ICS until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source. Look at 4412 - no solid reliable JB until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source.
If a device has reference platform source (CAF for Qcom, omapzoom for OMAP), it has a major advantage in terms of early AOSP bringup. Of course, this advantage is negated if the manufacturer diverges significantly from the reference source (HTC is notorious for this, so is Samsung - their handsets don't even remotely match what reference source does exist. So it's going to be bad news for AOSP work unless Samsung makes major changes. I see no evidence of this - they pride themselves in withholding documentation and source code. Hell, they barely even bother with GPL compliance, at least 50% of their source releases don't even remotely match the shipping kernels on the device. (See the Tab 2 source fiasco, no Note 10.1 source drop matches any shipped kernel and in fact none of them have a reliable wifi driver, I9300 update5 source has Mali r3p0 drivers but the first Kies deployment has r2p4 drivers...)
AT&T in general... I may hold off on LTE phones until more is known about whether Straight Talk will allow the LTE capabilities of AT&T's network to be used. (My current plan is to ditch AT&T as soon as my contract is up...)
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I do agree with this. It's much easier to hack and modify the Qualcom hardware. I'm running Flapjaxx's A0SP JB on my AT&T Note. It's awesome, however, I love Samsung's S-Pen and S-Planner software. I use my N7000 primarily for work with the latest stock ROM. I performs extremely well. I uswe the AT&T Note for goofing around. I wish I could put the S-Planner and S-Pen apps on an AOSP JB rom. Because the Note is so big, I like using the N7000 button on front to turn it on.
There's no doubt the Qualcom hardware has some advantages. However, for running a stock samsung ROM, the Exynos is hard to beat.
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Qualcomm is just good in benchmarks not in real life compared to Exynos
As you can see S3 US "Qualcomm Krait" gave higher scores in benchmarks as One S but actually it lags!
See from the 01:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dByCdDVXCmQ
morning thunder said:
Qualcomm is just good in benchmarks not in real life compared to Exynos
As you can see S3 US "Qualcomm Krait" gave higher scores in benchmarks as One S but actually it lags!
See from the 01:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dByCdDVXCmQ
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Gpu sux on dual core s4
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Despite being 32nm Vs 28nm in my experience the Exynos quad has better battery life than the S4 dual core. I own an AT&T S3 and an Exynos one, and with identical use the international one runs cooler and gets 30+ minutes more screen-on time. Both of those things will likely come down to the High-potassium metal gate technology in the Exynos - less voltage leakage=more battery, less dispersal of leakage as heat.
1) lack of source codes for the previous exynos in galaxy s3 is a well known problem preventing the ability to create good, custom and clean android roms for s3. therefore, many developers have decided ditching s3 custom roms.
im afraid there will never be any good clean android roms for S4.. or it will take a long time.
what do you think? why doesnt samsung release the source code of the exynos 5?
Will exynos 5's source code be released soon???????
2) a new linux version 3.10 has been release, supporting exynos 5 core.. when it will be used in galaxy s4???
3) how will linux 3.10 improve android? will it be better/faster?
4)Ive heard that samsung is busy developing a new SoC, Exynos 5420
when it will be released and what will it do
darixtorento said:
1) lack of source codes for the previous exynos in galaxy s3 is a well known problem preventing the ability to create good, custom and clean android roms for s3. therefore, many developers have decided ditching s3 custom roms.
im afraid there will never be any good clean android roms for S4.. or it will take a long time.
what do you think? why doesnt samsung release the source code of the exynos 5?
Will exynos 5's source code be released soon???????
2) a new linux version 3.10 has been release, supporting exynos 5 core.. when it will be used in galaxy s4???
3) how will linux 3.10 improve android? will it be better/faster?
4)Ive heard that samsung is busy developing a new SoC, Exynos 5420
when it will be released and what will it do
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1- Exynos Code are probably never to be released though i heard about this exynos octa arndale version that may help in getting additional infos about the Chip
2 and 3-this new linux version is probably to be used with newer version of android it brings big.little optimazation so it will make the exynos SOC run efficiently however it is not know how it would improve it or using which scenario .and yes i will be faster and more power efficient
4- this SOC is more likely to be used with future devices like note 3
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1- Exynos Code are probably never to be released though i heard about this exynos octa arndale version that may help in getting additional infos about the Chip
2 and 3-this new linux version is probably to be used with newer version of android it brings big.little optimazation so it will make the exynos SOC run efficiently however it is not know how it would improve it or using which scenario .and yes i will be faster and more power efficient
4- this SOC is more likely to be used with future devices like note 3
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thanks for answering
when will exynos octa arndale version be released?
So does that mean we are not going to see AOKP on i9500 soon. I love AOKPs and am cursing myself for not buying the i9505 as it was available. Smartphone is no joy without AOKP.
darixtorento said:
thanks for answering
when will exynos octa arndale version be released?
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this might help you http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/04...lopment-board-is-now-available-for-pre-order/
jj9922 said:
this might help you http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/04...lopment-board-is-now-available-for-pre-order/
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this is from april 2013.. pretty old dont you think?
darixtorento said:
this is from april 2013.. pretty old dont you think?
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yes but it should give you an idea about it
We all miss AOKP!
Hello guys, an Android / xda developers n00b here...
The Octo Core GT-I9500 was the only choice here since it's the only S4 model shipped in my country so I'm a bit frustrated too about the AOKP thing - which I learned it may well be the next big thing after CyanogenMOD itself.
I'm about to flash Arrow ROM right now which seems pretty interesting and also will give Omega ROM a try, while we can't put our dirty hands on AOKP we surely have two really nice mods to play with
As such, I'm all years about your experiences - if any - with any of these two ROMs.
Cheers
so no aokp coming soon?
even GS3 got aopk faster
Comon people please help
Comon i need answersssss
Comon what goes on there are any news?
Where is aopk for s4
what goes on
learn to search and read .. sorry to offend u ..
gdonanthony said:
learn to search and read .. sorry to offend u ..
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i did, and found nothing
darixtorento said:
i did, and found nothing
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If there ia nothing... there is nothing.
In my country we say
A watched pot never boils.
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Gillion said:
If there ia nothing... there is nothing.
In my country we say
A watched pot never boils.
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Or what is more or less the same thing: it will not get faster no matter how much you stand still looking at it!
(and, btw, this is just what's happening to me reloading the site every 5' min awaiting for the imminent release of Arrow ROM 4.0, lol!)
In general thread of i9500 and i9505 a thread exist s about cm development for i9500 some good info there!
Is there a way or any ideas of how to enable 64 bit in the exynos chip or its gonna be locked and cannot be enabled?
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sirwanesmail said:
Is there a way or any ideas of how to enable 64 bit in the exynos chip or its gonna be locked and cannot be enabled?
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You cannot since current Android version on N4 runs only on 32-bit. I have also heard rumors about our exynos chip not actually having a 64-bit CPU. There's only one way to find out and that is to wait for Lollipop since that will start support for 64-bit CPUs.
quadlt said:
You cannot since current Android version on N4 runs only on 32-bit. I have also heard rumors about our exynos chip not actually having a 64-bit CPU. There's only one way to find out and that is to wait for Lollipop since that will start support for 64-bit CPUs.
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Its been said before. Exynos is most definitely a 64-bit chip, but even when android L comes out, samsung will not enable the 64bit architecture on the Exynos. Also no custom rom will be able to unlock it, so even though it is 64bit you will only ever use it in 32bit mode. Having said that, its still a better chip than the Snapdragon.
ozaghloul said:
Its been said before. Exynos is most definitely a 64-bit chip, but even when android L comes out, samsung will not enable the 64bit architecture on the Exynos. Also no custom rom will be able to unlock it, so even though it is 64bit you will only ever use it in 32bit mode. Having said that, its still a better chip than the Snapdragon.
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Might be true. However at least we will get 100% ART with hopefully Xposed support...
ozaghloul said:
Its been said before. Exynos is most definitely a 64-bit chip, but even when android L comes out, samsung will not enable the 64bit architecture on the Exynos. Also no custom rom will be able to unlock it, so even though it is 64bit you will only ever use it in 32bit mode. Having said that, its still a better chip than the Snapdragon.
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Are you making a statement ?? XD
The bootloader in the Note 4 Exynos is alredy prepared for 64bits.
Also, if you want development from @AndreiLux please make a donation here https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/note-4-exynos-development-device
And spread this.
Lodix said:
Are you making a statement ?? XD
The bootloader in the Note 4 Exynos is alredy prepared for 64bits.
Also, if you want development from @AndreiLux please make a donation here https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/note-4-exynos-development-device
And spread this.
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Just repeating whats been said on the Snapdragon vs Exynos thread. Personally I will never root, so for me at least it will always be 32bit because there is zero chance that samsung will upgrade half the note 4s out there to 64bit without risking a full riot and possibly legal action from snapdragon owners.
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Just repeating whats been said on the Snapdragon vs Exynos thread. Personally I will never root, so for me at least it will always be 32bit because there is zero chance that samsung will upgrade half the note 4s out there to 64bit without risking a full riot and possibly legal action from snapdragon owners.
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What ??? You are exaggerating a lot...
I am telling you that the software in the Note is alredy prepared to 64bits. And most of the costumer don't know which processor have and if it is running in 32 or 64 bits. There is no point in demanding Samsung for something like this.
For years different version of the same "model" have been launched by Samsung with some different features like the Galaxy S3 in USA having 2GB of RAM and LTE while in Europe only 1GB and just 3G.
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What ??? You are exaggerating a lot...
I am telling you that the software in the Note is alredy prepared to 64bits. And most of the costumer don't know which processor have and if it is running in 32 or 64 bits. There is no point in demanding Samsung for something like this.
For years different version of the same "model" have been launched by Samsung with some different features like the Galaxy S3 in USA having 2GB of RAM and LTE while in Europe only 1GB and just 3G.
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Well I hope you are right. It would be lovely to have 64bit. However that is not what everyone is saying over in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/to-snapdragon-805-to-exynos-5433-t2868247
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Well I hope you are right. It would be lovely to have 64bit. However that is not what everyone is saying over in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/to-snapdragon-805-to-exynos-5433-t2868247
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Oh, a lot of people without any kind of knowledge about the topic claim Samsung will not update to 64bits. Who cares ? XD
And those people are Snapdragon users
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Oh, a lot of people without any kind of knowledge about the topic claim Samsung will not update to 64bits. Who cares ? XD
And those people are Snapdragon users
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Well I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss them all as idiots.
The big question is why Samsung choose to name this chip Exynos 5433 and not market it as a 64-bit chip in a new product lineup? The answer could be simply that we won't ever see the 5433 running in AArch64 mode. The chip's firmware and drivers are running on a "CAL" / Chip-Abstraction-Layer on the lowest level of the driver stacks. In fact, beyond the CPU cores (and GPU), the Exynos 5433 looks very similar to the Exynos 5430 which employs A15/A7 cores.
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source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc
And this:
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I doubt we'll be seeing AArch64 from the community if Samsung doesn't support it themselves, and similar to the 5420 HMP it's because the software stack is tied to the bootloader which is closed source. Of course they could update it but they have absolutely no incentive to do so and the probability in my opinion is near zero.
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Well I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss them all as idiots.
source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc
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Not all.
And we have recently know that Samsung has added the Exynos in Note 4 to the new Exynos 7 family.
And we have found that the bootloader is alredy in 64 bits...
He is human, he can give his opinion based on some arguments but he doesn't have to be right and we all wrong. Indeed he was saying at the beginning that the Exynos 5433 was A15/A7 and then he retracted to be wrong, we all commit mistakes.
Heres the proof
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up this thread, now we have marsmallow, 64bits is near... in next os. ironic mode on....
I am currently owning the Galaxy S6 but I really want to sell it and buy the s7 just because i want to use microsdcards again and whatherproofness is also very cool for me
so something what i really care about is development for the device wich i will buy...
i am pritty sure that the Qualcomm S7 will get Cm builds maybe also official builds but i live in germany where the Qualcomm variant is not sold. so i will need to stick with the exynos version.
the galaxy s6 also has CM aviable with its exynos processor... since now all Galaxy S (exynos) devices got cm in any time:
- Galaxy S2
- Galaxy S3
- Galaxy S4 exynos
- Galaxy S5 exynos (very buggy build tho)
- Galaxy S6
what do u think about cm on Galaxy S7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/how-to/developer-discussion-custom-kernels-t3338351
No custom kernel thus far.
BTW, S2~6 are official builds?
From what I gather, Samsung has nearly zero motivation to contribute to open source and custom roms, unlike Motorola, Sony, HTC, etc. Which makes it kinda hard for devs to support their phones.
If you have an inside contact at Samsung, by all means let them know.
It has been discussed on so many topics already... CM (or any aosp type of rom for that matter) is pretty much impossible on the Exynos, even if someone gets something to boot, it will always be super broken and full of bugs. As for the Snapdragon variant.. CM should be very possible I guess but the problem is, it seems like every variant that comes with the snapdragon cpu has their bootloaders locked to hell... so... Until someone figures out a way to unlock the bootloaders... No luck there either. If your reason for buying an S7 is development and AOSP projects... I suggest you buy some other phone.
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It has been discussed on so many topics already... CM (or any aosp type of rom for that matter) is pretty much impossible on the Exynos, even if someone gets something to boot, it will always be super broken and full of bugs. As for the Snapdragon variant.. CM should be very possible I guess but the problem is, it seems like every variant that comes with the snapdragon cpu has their bootloaders locked to hell... so... Until someone figures out a way to unlock the bootloaders... No luck there either. If your reason for buying an S7 is development and AOSP projects... I suggest you buy some other phone.
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the fact ist that they have said the same for galaxy s3 exynos and galaxy s6 exynos
both have pritty much stable builds.
i am using aosp or cm roms only when the phone gets outdated and getting no update from samsung.
so this isnt that important to me
<galaxylove> said:
the fact ist that they have said the same for galaxy s3 exynos and galaxy s6 exynos
both have pritty much stable builds.
i am using aosp or cm roms only when the phone gets outdated and getting no update from samsung.
so this isnt that important to me
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* What’s working */
Basic 2D graphics
Wi-Fi
AP hotspot
Audio
Microphone
SMS/MMS/Mobile Data(3G, LTE)
Call
Sensors
NFC
LED(WIP)
MTP
Suspend(deep-sleep)
/* What’s not working */
Camera
GPS
Hardware accelerated video/audio encoding/decoding
Proper 3D graphics
Listing network operator
Everything else.
Even what’s listed on “What’s working” has room to improve and may have some serious bugs.
With 2D graphics, there are noticeable framedrops and tearing
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is that your idea of stable?
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is that your idea of stable?
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no but the rom is at least useable...
the galaxy s3 has very good dev support this is clear...
they said also for both devices that it is fully impossible. but actually the devs made it
<galaxylove> said:
no but the rom is at least useable...
the galaxy s3 has very good dev support this is clear...
they said also for both devices that it is fully impossible. but actually the devs made it
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no it's not usable, sorry. even 2D graphics are broken in it. Unless Samsung has a change of heart and releases the full source for Exynos phones, forget it. And Samsung having is a change of heart is never gonna happen since almost all their customers don't care about root/custom Roms. The only hope is someone figuring out how to unlock the bootloaders on the Qualcomm variants
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no it's not usable, sorry. even 2D graphics are broken in it. Unless Samsung has a change of heart and releases the full source for Exynos phones, forget it. And Samsung having is a change of heart is never gonna happen since almost all their customers don't care about root/custom Roms. The only hope is someone figuring out how to unlock the bootloaders on the Qualcomm variants
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This is the problem every year with Samsung phones. It is not Samsung Mobile division that does not release the Exynos sources, there are other divisions of Samsung which will simply not allow the Exynos sources to be released (for newer devices)
http://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-exynos-and-aosp-explained-a-story-of-betrayal/
http://www.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7-bootloader-lock-explained-you-might-not-get-aosp-after-all/
Best bet would be someone found a hack on Snapdragons to root the phones and then install custom ROM.
For Exynos I think we can safely say goodbyes. Anything else is wishful thinking. Sorry to say that but I think that's true. (or you can start a 100-day hunger strike in front of the Samsung HQ and see how it goes.)
I am a student from china but now I study in germany and get the SD820 version from china....
007zzz said:
I am a student from china but now I study in germany and get the SD820 version from china....
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I would get the Mi5, its has already an rather stable CM13 out.
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I would get the Mi5, its has already an rather stable CM13 out.
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Mi5 doesn't have microSD card and uses Type-C cables.
Not to mention that the radio firmware is probably bugged by the Chinese government.
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Mi5 doesn't have microSD card and uses Type-C cables.
Not to mention that the radio firmware is probably bugged by the Chinese government.
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It has 128 GB internal storage and Type C cables thats an plus in my book.
I have this feeling where i really just like sansumg's phones hardware and in special it's new look, but then is the fact that my S5(exynos) still stuck in 5.0 bugged as hell rom and there still no 6.0. The Qualcomm counter part have great CM support but there still nothing for the S7.
I will probably have to get either a nexus(2016) or a Huawei p9 which looks really nice too, also I'm thinking about the HTC 10 mmm.