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[Q] new exynos, AOKP for i9500 and new linux kernel

1) lack of source codes for the previous exynos in galaxy s3 is a well known problem preventing the ability to create good, custom and clean android roms for s3. therefore, many developers have decided ditching s3 custom roms.
im afraid there will never be any good clean android roms for S4.. or it will take a long time.
what do you think? why doesnt samsung release the source code of the exynos 5?
Will exynos 5's source code be released soon???????
2) a new linux version 3.10 has been release, supporting exynos 5 core.. when it will be used in galaxy s4???
3) how will linux 3.10 improve android? will it be better/faster?
4)Ive heard that samsung is busy developing a new SoC, Exynos 5420
when it will be released and what will it do

darixtorento said:
1) lack of source codes for the previous exynos in galaxy s3 is a well known problem preventing the ability to create good, custom and clean android roms for s3. therefore, many developers have decided ditching s3 custom roms.
im afraid there will never be any good clean android roms for S4.. or it will take a long time.
what do you think? why doesnt samsung release the source code of the exynos 5?
Will exynos 5's source code be released soon???????
2) a new linux version 3.10 has been release, supporting exynos 5 core.. when it will be used in galaxy s4???
3) how will linux 3.10 improve android? will it be better/faster?
4)Ive heard that samsung is busy developing a new SoC, Exynos 5420
when it will be released and what will it do
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1- Exynos Code are probably never to be released though i heard about this exynos octa arndale version that may help in getting additional infos about the Chip
2 and 3-this new linux version is probably to be used with newer version of android it brings big.little optimazation so it will make the exynos SOC run efficiently however it is not know how it would improve it or using which scenario .and yes i will be faster and more power efficient
4- this SOC is more likely to be used with future devices like note 3

jj9922 said:
1- Exynos Code are probably never to be released though i heard about this exynos octa arndale version that may help in getting additional infos about the Chip
2 and 3-this new linux version is probably to be used with newer version of android it brings big.little optimazation so it will make the exynos SOC run efficiently however it is not know how it would improve it or using which scenario .and yes i will be faster and more power efficient
4- this SOC is more likely to be used with future devices like note 3
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thanks for answering
when will exynos octa arndale version be released?

So does that mean we are not going to see AOKP on i9500 soon. I love AOKPs and am cursing myself for not buying the i9505 as it was available. Smartphone is no joy without AOKP.

darixtorento said:
thanks for answering
when will exynos octa arndale version be released?
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this might help you http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/04...lopment-board-is-now-available-for-pre-order/

jj9922 said:
this might help you http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/04...lopment-board-is-now-available-for-pre-order/
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this is from april 2013.. pretty old dont you think?

darixtorento said:
this is from april 2013.. pretty old dont you think?
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yes but it should give you an idea about it

We all miss AOKP!
Hello guys, an Android / xda developers n00b here...
The Octo Core GT-I9500 was the only choice here since it's the only S4 model shipped in my country so I'm a bit frustrated too about the AOKP thing - which I learned it may well be the next big thing after CyanogenMOD itself.
I'm about to flash Arrow ROM right now which seems pretty interesting and also will give Omega ROM a try, while we can't put our dirty hands on AOKP we surely have two really nice mods to play with
As such, I'm all years about your experiences - if any - with any of these two ROMs.
Cheers

so no aokp coming soon?
even GS3 got aopk faster

Comon people please help

Comon i need answersssss

Comon what goes on there are any news?
Where is aopk for s4

what goes on

learn to search and read .. sorry to offend u ..

gdonanthony said:
learn to search and read .. sorry to offend u ..
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i did, and found nothing

darixtorento said:
i did, and found nothing
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If there ia nothing... there is nothing.
In my country we say
A watched pot never boils.
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Gillion said:
If there ia nothing... there is nothing.
In my country we say
A watched pot never boils.
Sent from my GT-I9500 using Tapatalk 2
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Or what is more or less the same thing: it will not get faster no matter how much you stand still looking at it!
(and, btw, this is just what's happening to me reloading the site every 5' min awaiting for the imminent release of Arrow ROM 4.0, lol!)

In general thread of i9500 and i9505 a thread exist s about cm development for i9500 some good info there!

[Q] Exynos 5433 switching to 64-bit mode with Lollipop or not?

Does anybody know for sure what's going to happen when the Android 5.0 Lollipop update takes effect will the 5433 be automatically be switched over to 64-bit mode or is that something Samsung has to handle on their end? Because it seems to me they'll probably never officially update it to 64-bit mode anyway or am I wrong does anybody have any insight on this?
Thanks

Whatever we are saying at the moment is of course pure speculation. The only source of information that I am aware of is Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc), which seems to suggest that the Exynos 5433 might not ever be running 64-bit. But then again, it is also speculation.

huy_lonewolf said:
Whatever we are saying at the moment is of course pure speculation. The only source of information that I am aware of is Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc), which seems to suggest that the Exynos 5433 might not ever be running 64-bit. But then again, it is also speculation.
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Yeah I've seen that article it says maybe not or at least no time soon but Lollipop is around the corner so wonder if some answers will come out. And I'm also wondering if that's something some of the devs here on XDA can get working? We just have to see but please people chime in.!.!

DJ "suMo* said:
Yeah I've seen that article it says maybe not or at least no time soon but Lollipop is around the corner so wonder if some answers will come out. And I'm also wondering if that's something some of the devs here on XDA can get working? We just have to see but please people chime in.!.!
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I would not think so.
Even Google released their new flag Nexus 6 with Lollipop as 32bit.
And furthermore, what do you think would happen when Samsung upgrades one half of its Note 4's to 64bit and the other half not...
Makes no sense to me :silly:

What! you mean you aint running L 64bit on your Exynos yet? Dude so behind the times, pun.
Isnt there like 10 threads with this same/similar topic already?

MisterKanister said:
I would not think so.
Even Google released their new flag Nexus 6 with Lollipop as 32bit.
And furthermore, what do you think would happen when Samsung upgrades one half of its Note 4's to 64bit and the other half not...
Makes no sense to me :silly:
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Nexus 6 runs snapdragon 805 which is not 64bit cpu.
It would be a waste if note 4 octa would only run in 32bit.. its like having 10inch penis and you would only use 5inch of it

miHah said:
its like having 10inch penis and you would only use 5inch of it
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Story of my life buddy.

Enable 64 bit

Is there a way for devs to write a kernel that enables exynos 64 bit on lollipop if samsung didnt implement it? And what are the needs to do such a job?
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sirwanesmail said:
Is there a way for devs to write a kernel that enables exynos 64 bit on lollipop if samsung didnt implement it? And what are the needs to do such a job?
Sent from my SM-N910H using XDA Free mobile app
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It only enable if samsung allow us on android 5 lollipop
I think there is no dev can do it

Guys!
I am thinking about Note 4 purchase, but x64 mode is very important for me. So I decided to choose 910C (Exynos) version, but unfortunately, Samsung lock this device on 32-bit mode.
Is there any chance, that Exynos Note 4 will get 64-bit mode on Android 5.0?
What you think about that:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg39499.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg39710.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg39506.html

According to this article by the renowned Exynos developer, Andreilux, it seems likely that Samsung will never update the Note 4 to run on 64-bit:
The big question is why Samsung choose to name this chip Exynos 5433 and not market it as a 64-bit chip in a new product lineup? The answer could be simply that we won't ever see the 5433 running in AArch64 mode. The chip's firmware and drivers are running on a "CAL" / Chip-Abstraction-Layer on the lowest level of the driver stacks. In fact, beyond the CPU cores (and GPU), the Exynos 5433 looks very similar to the Exynos 5430 which employs A15/A7 cores.
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Also this post sums up the current situation and the future possibilities very well.
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@AndreiLux is one of if not the most prominent kernel developer(s) on XDA. There's a bounty on the forum trying to convince him to write a kernel for the Exynos Note 4. He's the author of this article on AnandTech discussing 5433. It's pretty straight forward. 5433 is 64 bit capable but running in 32 bit mode. He's said multiple times in this thread that third parties can't get it working in 64 bit alone so it's up to Samsung. If he's saying it can't be done I'd take that over some lesser sources saying it can. Samsung's never mentioned that 5433 is 64 bit capable in any of their PR or interviews either.
To make things even more interesting, Samsung announced Exynos 7 as a future chip. Here's the official Exynos 7 B2B website.
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/m/solution.html#?v=7octa
Unless I'm missing it, no where on it does it mention 64 bit. Has anyone seen a press release from Samsung directly saying Exynos 7 is 64 bit? The press covering it have been saying it is but it's odd, at least from what I've found, that there's nothing saying so from Samsung. @AndreiLux can comment but Exynos 7 appears to be identical or near identical to 5433 specs wise.
Possibilities:
5422 was a near identical chip to 5420 and the former shipped with HMP enabled. We all know Samsung could have gone back and updated 5420 and didn't. So Exynos 7 could end up being an updated 5433 with 64 bit capabilities and a new model number leaving 5433 to remain 32 bit.
Exynos 7 is really 5433 with a new name and when it starts shipping under that new name will have 64 bit enabled. Samsung will via s/w update versions that shipped as 32 bit to 64 bit.
Samsung could care less about any of this knowing that the masses don't buy devices based on processor better yet the difference between HMP vs. non-HMP and 32 bit vs. 64 bit. Especially when it'll take many months for a critical mass of 64 bit Android devices to be in people's hands for app developers to start investing in coding for it. People on XDA care about this stuff; the masses not so much. How many people traded in six month old Note 3's for SGS5's simply to get HMP? Tens?
My guess is #3. Samsung will introduce 64 bit, probably with much fanfare, knowing it's not going to sell more devices but extracting PR value from it. Unless some major change in their thinking occurs the 64 bit version of 5433 will have a new model number and 5433 will die 32 bit. All just my opinion. You're all welcome to believe and debate your own. Bottom line is no one here (me included) can do anything but speculate what Samsung's future SoC product and positioning plans are and how they'll treat previously released products from an upgrade stand point.
Believe what makes you happy.
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So to answer the OP, no developer can enable 64-bit.
And there are some serious doubts as to whether even Samsung will do it.
It's all up in the air and you will not get any definitive answers.
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iridaki said:
So to answer the OP, no developer can enable 64-bit.
And there are some serious doubts as to whether even Samsung will do it.
It's all up in the air and you will not get any definitive answers.
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Thanks!
I wonder if we could get some predictions when Samsung will update Note 4 Exynos to Android 5.0. If they won't able the x64 mode at the beginning, we shouldn't expect any changes in future months. Why? Because Samsung will focus on Galaxy S6 (probably THE FIRST x64 device from Samsung), and after that we will little close to Note 5 premiere.
It's all because of marketing & PR! I hate it!

Galuszka said:
Thanks!
I wonder if we could get some predictions when Samsung will update Note 4 Exynos to Android 5.0.
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It will be January 2015, at least that's when the staged rollout is rumoured to begin. It will be relatively soon, as the S5 has already been updated and a fully working test build for the Note 4 has been shown in a video courtesy of Sammobile.
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iridaki said:
It will be January 2015, at least that's when the staged rollout is rumoured to begin. It will be relatively soon, as the S5 has already been updated and a fully working test build for the Note 4 has been shown in a video courtesy of Sammobile.
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Do you think that this update will give us some proofs about x64 mode on Note 4?

Galuszka said:
Do you think that this update will give us some proofs about x64 mode on Note 4?
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I think it will either enable x64 or it will not. I'm not sure whether it will give us any sort of proof. We already know the processor is capable.
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Guys, everyone. I think there's a way to do that. Trying it out right now. Wish me luck. I just found where you can set those stuff up!!!!!!!
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Well, I tried to use the Nexus 9 build settings that had a 64bit option set to arm64-v8a on my Exynos Note 4 running 5.0.1 Lollipop but unfortunately, I think because of us being octa-core kinda deal, it won't work. I'm waiting for the galaxy s6 to get out there so that I could use that guy's settings. After all, their processors are one and the only difference is the frequency.

how do you know the s6 is running in 64 bit mode ? it has only 3GB RAM which makes me think it is also running in 32 bit mode.

zurkx said:
how do you know the s6 is running in 64 bit mode ? it has only 3GB RAM which makes me think it is also running in 32 bit mode.
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No it was advertised as running 64 bit. That has nothing to do with it.
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http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1926938
Says Geekbench 3.3.1 for Android AArch64 means it's 64bit

that looks like a pre release prototype from feb 17.
the most recent one is 32-bit. march 3rd which i assume is a production device.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2016185

zurkx said:
that looks like a pre release prototype from feb 17.
the most recent one is 32-bit. march 3rd which i assume is a production device.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2016185
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nope its fully 64 bit.

tmac31 said:
nope its fully 64 bit.
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have you used one at MWC ? how do you know this ?

zurkx said:
have you used one at MWC ? how do you know this ?
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Firs...n-AnTuTu-and-outrageous-memory-speeds_id66653
check 4th pic i think its enough.

"However, these are pre-release units we're handling here"

Keep digging maybe you will find a 32 bit s6.... they advertised it as 64 bit so its an 64 bit phone with os and hardware.

tmac31 said:
Keep digging maybe you will find a 32 bit s6.... they advertised it as 64 bit so its an 64 bit phone with os and hardware.
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Thank u!! I'm tryin to tell these guys. BTW, does anyone know if there are any other places that have the S6 for testing other than MCW?? I'm gonna be taking vacation probably to California and Nevada next week so I though I could you know, see this guy from upclose!

Hi guys ,
How about editing the build prop . does this enable 64 bit mode ?
http://axloneso.blogspot.in/2015/07/active-chip-64bit-exynos-5433-on-note-4.html

badduke said:
Hi guys ,
How about editing the build prop . does this enable 64 bit mode ?
http://axloneso.blogspot.in/2015/07/active-chip-64bit-exynos-5433-on-note-4.html
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you can try and tell us how did it go?

[Q] Note 4 Exynos - Lollipop - 64bit

Hello people,
From those of you who have installed the lollipop update, can anyone please confirm if Samsung has enabled 64 bit mode on the Note 4 ?
Thanks in advance

No, 64bit is not enabled.

And it will never be.

iridaki said:
And it will never be.
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Because they want to promote S6 as the first 64 bit phone blah blah blah ?

I wouldn't worry too much about going 64-bit on this phone - just look at the Snapdragon 810 getting whipped by the Exynos Note 4.
Additionally, I don't think the Note 4 will ever get a 64-bit OS - a bunch of code will need to get revalidated, and some drivers Samsung sourced from the outside may never get 64-bit versions of their closed HAL modules.
That said, it would be really nice if Samsung decided to do a global launch of the Gear VR.

Hurrian said:
I wouldn't worry too much about going 64-bit on this phone - just look at the Snapdragon 810 getting whipped by the Exynos Note 4.
Additionally, I don't think the Note 4 will ever get a 64-bit OS - a bunch of code will need to get revalidated, and some drivers Samsung sourced from the outside may never get 64-bit versions of their closed HAL modules.
That said, it would be really nice if Samsung decided to do a global launch of the Gear VR.
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If i'm not mistaken Samsung SM-N916S was rumored to come with SD 810. Instead it was released with SD 805, so i'm afraid those stats can't be taken seriously.

rockfreak said:
Because they want to promote S6 as the first 64 bit phone blah blah blah ?
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No, nothing to do with the S6. It just will not happen. The Note 4 was never meant to be a 64-bit model. The fact that the Exynos processor they used in some of the variants is 64-bit capable doesn't mean much.

iridaki said:
No, nothing to do with the S6. It just will not happen. The Note 4 was never meant to be a 64-bit model. The fact that the Exynos processor they used in some of the variants is 64-bit capable doesn't mean much.
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Maybe more of a testing ground for their next Exynos chipset. All things point out that they won't enable 64 bit mode on Note 4, especially since there's a snapdragon variant out there.
But i still have some faith they may do it. Maybe not with lollipop update though.
It's just that if you are going to spend right now 500+ euros for a phone it should be as much "future proof" as possible. By buying Note 4 (SD) you are definitely not getting that. With the Exynos model there's still some doubt weather that's true or false. But as the lollipop update confirmed we are not getting that either for now.

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It's just that if you are going to spend right now 500+ euros for a phone it should be as much "future proof" as possible. By buying Note 4 (SD) you are definitely not getting that. With the Exynos model there's still some doubt weather that's true or false. But as the lollipop update confirmed we are not getting that either for now.
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I know what you mean, however, if you're spending 500+ Euros for a phone, you should read its specs very carefully and buy it 'as is'. The hope of something extra (Lollipop update, 64-bit) could significantly compromise one's experience. Don't get me wrong, extras are always welcome, of course. But when you invest your hard-earned money, it should be for something you can have right then and there, not "maybe some time, perhaps".
As for future-proof, 32-bit processors will be relevant for a long, long time. Much longer than most of us will keep the Note 4. Just because some of the newer ones may be 64-bit, doesn't mean that anything that isn't is doomed in any way or form.

iridaki said:
No, nothing to do with the S6. It just will not happen. The Note 4 was never meant to be a 64-bit model. The fact that the Exynos processor they used in some of the variants is 64-bit capable doesn't mean much.
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what does that even mean ? its a full 64 bit processor. it was meant to be 64 bit when designed and samsung is deciding whether or not to deploy 64 bit on the exynos models. they used a 64 bit processor on ALL models on the exynos note 4s - not "some".
all they have to do is deploy a 64 bit kernel and its 64 bit instantly.

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what does that even mean ? its a full 64 bit processor. it was meant to be 64 bit when designed and samsung is deciding whether or not to deploy 64 bit on the exynos models. they used a 64 bit processor on ALL models on the exynos note 4s - not "some".
all they have to do is deploy a 64 bit kernel and its 64 bit instantly.
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Well it is advertised as one of the first 64bit phones in some regions so they might only release aarch64 lollipop in those regions...
Sent from my fabulous Note 4 Exynos

zurkx said:
what does that even mean ? its a full 64 bit processor. it was meant to be 64 bit when designed and samsung is deciding whether or not to deploy 64 bit on the exynos models. they used a 64 bit processor on ALL models on the exynos note 4s - not "some".
all they have to do is deploy a 64 bit kernel and its 64 bit instantly.
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You misunderstood me, by "some models" I mean that there is also a Snapdragon version, so some models have Exynos, some Snapdragon.
I know how easy it is to enable it too, however, I don't think it will ever happen. Partly because there are variants out there (Snapdragon) that cost exactly the same, are available exclusively in some countries and are 32-bit. Which goes to show that Samsung never meant for the Exynos Note 4 to be 64-bit. Otherwise it'd be marketed as a different model, perhaps "Note 4S" or something. Hehehe!
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Well it is advertised as one of the first 64bit phones in some regions so they might only release aarch64 lollipop in those regions...
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Which regions?

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Which regions?
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I can't remember off the top of my head, but it has been posted on here before of regions advertising it as the first 64 bit android phone

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I can't remember off the top of my head, but it has been posted on here before of regions advertising it as the first 64 bit android phone
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My partner works for Samsung and I can assure you that it was never marketed as a 64-bit phone, at least in Europe. And whoever did market it as such, was not affiliated with Samsung in any way.
However, the Exynos processor used in the Note 4 was marketed as the first 64-bit capable one and that is true.
Check out this post regarding the controversy surrounding the Exynos processor and try to find Andreilux's article on Anandtech.

I wouldn't even worry about it. 64bit is overrated. There's not going to be any noticeable difference.

N910C Lolipop 5.1.0 64-bit ?

The note 4 (exynos variant) right now is
on Lolipop 5.0.1 and is still locked to 32-bit. Do you know if it will become 64-bit on the next update ? I want to get the phone, but I am worried about the lag

Up to the point when I had to return my N910C to the retailer for repairs, I never experienced any noticeable lag with my N910C when playing games or doing everyday tasks. But there have been rumors that the next 5.1.1 firmware update will enable the Exynos SOC to run in 64Bit mode rather than the current 32Bit mode.

Lets hope for that !

Completely false. Note 4 will never support 64 bit

SirHydarnes said:
Completely false. Note 4 will never support 64 bit
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Why ?

PanosAd113 said:
Why ?
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Because this is business my friend. Samsung is going to announce Note 5 later this month. And plus, according to people who did install 5.1.1, it is 32-bit still!

Well even 32 bit its really fast and if I ever want 64 bit I can get a ROM

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Well even 32 bit its really fast and if I ever want 64 bit I can get a ROM
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32 bit IS fast but i'm afraid 64 isn't that simple to be inside a ROM kernel

So what do you suggest ? Should I get the quad or octa core Note 4

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So what do you suggest ? Should I get the quad or octa core Note 4
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the best is to buy both of them and do not forget the note 5. it will be also a very good phone

Rajada said:
the best is to buy both of them and do not forget the note 5. it will be also a very good phone
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Not a millionaire mate.