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[Q] Exynos 5433 switching to 64-bit mode with Lollipop or not?

Does anybody know for sure what's going to happen when the Android 5.0 Lollipop update takes effect will the 5433 be automatically be switched over to 64-bit mode or is that something Samsung has to handle on their end? Because it seems to me they'll probably never officially update it to 64-bit mode anyway or am I wrong does anybody have any insight on this?
Thanks

Whatever we are saying at the moment is of course pure speculation. The only source of information that I am aware of is Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc), which seems to suggest that the Exynos 5433 might not ever be running 64-bit. But then again, it is also speculation.

huy_lonewolf said:
Whatever we are saying at the moment is of course pure speculation. The only source of information that I am aware of is Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc), which seems to suggest that the Exynos 5433 might not ever be running 64-bit. But then again, it is also speculation.
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Yeah I've seen that article it says maybe not or at least no time soon but Lollipop is around the corner so wonder if some answers will come out. And I'm also wondering if that's something some of the devs here on XDA can get working? We just have to see but please people chime in.!.!

DJ "suMo* said:
Yeah I've seen that article it says maybe not or at least no time soon but Lollipop is around the corner so wonder if some answers will come out. And I'm also wondering if that's something some of the devs here on XDA can get working? We just have to see but please people chime in.!.!
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I would not think so.
Even Google released their new flag Nexus 6 with Lollipop as 32bit.
And furthermore, what do you think would happen when Samsung upgrades one half of its Note 4's to 64bit and the other half not...
Makes no sense to me :silly:

What! you mean you aint running L 64bit on your Exynos yet? Dude so behind the times, pun.
Isnt there like 10 threads with this same/similar topic already?

MisterKanister said:
I would not think so.
Even Google released their new flag Nexus 6 with Lollipop as 32bit.
And furthermore, what do you think would happen when Samsung upgrades one half of its Note 4's to 64bit and the other half not...
Makes no sense to me :silly:
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Nexus 6 runs snapdragon 805 which is not 64bit cpu.
It would be a waste if note 4 octa would only run in 32bit.. its like having 10inch penis and you would only use 5inch of it

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its like having 10inch penis and you would only use 5inch of it
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Story of my life buddy.

64 bit

Is there a way or any ideas of how to enable 64 bit in the exynos chip or its gonna be locked and cannot be enabled?
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sirwanesmail said:
Is there a way or any ideas of how to enable 64 bit in the exynos chip or its gonna be locked and cannot be enabled?
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You cannot since current Android version on N4 runs only on 32-bit. I have also heard rumors about our exynos chip not actually having a 64-bit CPU. There's only one way to find out and that is to wait for Lollipop since that will start support for 64-bit CPUs.

quadlt said:
You cannot since current Android version on N4 runs only on 32-bit. I have also heard rumors about our exynos chip not actually having a 64-bit CPU. There's only one way to find out and that is to wait for Lollipop since that will start support for 64-bit CPUs.
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Its been said before. Exynos is most definitely a 64-bit chip, but even when android L comes out, samsung will not enable the 64bit architecture on the Exynos. Also no custom rom will be able to unlock it, so even though it is 64bit you will only ever use it in 32bit mode. Having said that, its still a better chip than the Snapdragon.

ozaghloul said:
Its been said before. Exynos is most definitely a 64-bit chip, but even when android L comes out, samsung will not enable the 64bit architecture on the Exynos. Also no custom rom will be able to unlock it, so even though it is 64bit you will only ever use it in 32bit mode. Having said that, its still a better chip than the Snapdragon.
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Might be true. However at least we will get 100% ART with hopefully Xposed support...

ozaghloul said:
Its been said before. Exynos is most definitely a 64-bit chip, but even when android L comes out, samsung will not enable the 64bit architecture on the Exynos. Also no custom rom will be able to unlock it, so even though it is 64bit you will only ever use it in 32bit mode. Having said that, its still a better chip than the Snapdragon.
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Are you making a statement ?? XD
The bootloader in the Note 4 Exynos is alredy prepared for 64bits.
Also, if you want development from @AndreiLux please make a donation here https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/note-4-exynos-development-device
And spread this.

Lodix said:
Are you making a statement ?? XD
The bootloader in the Note 4 Exynos is alredy prepared for 64bits.
Also, if you want development from @AndreiLux please make a donation here https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/note-4-exynos-development-device
And spread this.
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Just repeating whats been said on the Snapdragon vs Exynos thread. Personally I will never root, so for me at least it will always be 32bit because there is zero chance that samsung will upgrade half the note 4s out there to 64bit without risking a full riot and possibly legal action from snapdragon owners.

ozaghloul said:
Just repeating whats been said on the Snapdragon vs Exynos thread. Personally I will never root, so for me at least it will always be 32bit because there is zero chance that samsung will upgrade half the note 4s out there to 64bit without risking a full riot and possibly legal action from snapdragon owners.
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What ??? You are exaggerating a lot...
I am telling you that the software in the Note is alredy prepared to 64bits. And most of the costumer don't know which processor have and if it is running in 32 or 64 bits. There is no point in demanding Samsung for something like this.
For years different version of the same "model" have been launched by Samsung with some different features like the Galaxy S3 in USA having 2GB of RAM and LTE while in Europe only 1GB and just 3G.

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What ??? You are exaggerating a lot...
I am telling you that the software in the Note is alredy prepared to 64bits. And most of the costumer don't know which processor have and if it is running in 32 or 64 bits. There is no point in demanding Samsung for something like this.
For years different version of the same "model" have been launched by Samsung with some different features like the Galaxy S3 in USA having 2GB of RAM and LTE while in Europe only 1GB and just 3G.
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Well I hope you are right. It would be lovely to have 64bit. However that is not what everyone is saying over in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/to-snapdragon-805-to-exynos-5433-t2868247

ozaghloul said:
Well I hope you are right. It would be lovely to have 64bit. However that is not what everyone is saying over in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/to-snapdragon-805-to-exynos-5433-t2868247
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Oh, a lot of people without any kind of knowledge about the topic claim Samsung will not update to 64bits. Who cares ? XD
And those people are Snapdragon users

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Oh, a lot of people without any kind of knowledge about the topic claim Samsung will not update to 64bits. Who cares ? XD
And those people are Snapdragon users
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Well I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss them all as idiots.
The big question is why Samsung choose to name this chip Exynos 5433 and not market it as a 64-bit chip in a new product lineup? The answer could be simply that we won't ever see the 5433 running in AArch64 mode. The chip's firmware and drivers are running on a "CAL" / Chip-Abstraction-Layer on the lowest level of the driver stacks. In fact, beyond the CPU cores (and GPU), the Exynos 5433 looks very similar to the Exynos 5430 which employs A15/A7 cores.
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source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc
And this:
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I doubt we'll be seeing AArch64 from the community if Samsung doesn't support it themselves, and similar to the 5420 HMP it's because the software stack is tied to the bootloader which is closed source. Of course they could update it but they have absolutely no incentive to do so and the probability in my opinion is near zero.
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ozaghloul said:
Well I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss them all as idiots.
source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc
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Not all.
And we have recently know that Samsung has added the Exynos in Note 4 to the new Exynos 7 family.
And we have found that the bootloader is alredy in 64 bits...
He is human, he can give his opinion based on some arguments but he doesn't have to be right and we all wrong. Indeed he was saying at the beginning that the Exynos 5433 was A15/A7 and then he retracted to be wrong, we all commit mistakes.

Heres the proof
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up this thread, now we have marsmallow, 64bits is near... in next os. ironic mode on....

[Q] Note 4 Exynos - Lollipop - 64bit

Hello people,
From those of you who have installed the lollipop update, can anyone please confirm if Samsung has enabled 64 bit mode on the Note 4 ?
Thanks in advance

No, 64bit is not enabled.

And it will never be.

iridaki said:
And it will never be.
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Because they want to promote S6 as the first 64 bit phone blah blah blah ?

I wouldn't worry too much about going 64-bit on this phone - just look at the Snapdragon 810 getting whipped by the Exynos Note 4.
Additionally, I don't think the Note 4 will ever get a 64-bit OS - a bunch of code will need to get revalidated, and some drivers Samsung sourced from the outside may never get 64-bit versions of their closed HAL modules.
That said, it would be really nice if Samsung decided to do a global launch of the Gear VR.

Hurrian said:
I wouldn't worry too much about going 64-bit on this phone - just look at the Snapdragon 810 getting whipped by the Exynos Note 4.
Additionally, I don't think the Note 4 will ever get a 64-bit OS - a bunch of code will need to get revalidated, and some drivers Samsung sourced from the outside may never get 64-bit versions of their closed HAL modules.
That said, it would be really nice if Samsung decided to do a global launch of the Gear VR.
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If i'm not mistaken Samsung SM-N916S was rumored to come with SD 810. Instead it was released with SD 805, so i'm afraid those stats can't be taken seriously.

rockfreak said:
Because they want to promote S6 as the first 64 bit phone blah blah blah ?
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No, nothing to do with the S6. It just will not happen. The Note 4 was never meant to be a 64-bit model. The fact that the Exynos processor they used in some of the variants is 64-bit capable doesn't mean much.

iridaki said:
No, nothing to do with the S6. It just will not happen. The Note 4 was never meant to be a 64-bit model. The fact that the Exynos processor they used in some of the variants is 64-bit capable doesn't mean much.
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Maybe more of a testing ground for their next Exynos chipset. All things point out that they won't enable 64 bit mode on Note 4, especially since there's a snapdragon variant out there.
But i still have some faith they may do it. Maybe not with lollipop update though.
It's just that if you are going to spend right now 500+ euros for a phone it should be as much "future proof" as possible. By buying Note 4 (SD) you are definitely not getting that. With the Exynos model there's still some doubt weather that's true or false. But as the lollipop update confirmed we are not getting that either for now.

rockfreak said:
It's just that if you are going to spend right now 500+ euros for a phone it should be as much "future proof" as possible. By buying Note 4 (SD) you are definitely not getting that. With the Exynos model there's still some doubt weather that's true or false. But as the lollipop update confirmed we are not getting that either for now.
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I know what you mean, however, if you're spending 500+ Euros for a phone, you should read its specs very carefully and buy it 'as is'. The hope of something extra (Lollipop update, 64-bit) could significantly compromise one's experience. Don't get me wrong, extras are always welcome, of course. But when you invest your hard-earned money, it should be for something you can have right then and there, not "maybe some time, perhaps".
As for future-proof, 32-bit processors will be relevant for a long, long time. Much longer than most of us will keep the Note 4. Just because some of the newer ones may be 64-bit, doesn't mean that anything that isn't is doomed in any way or form.

iridaki said:
No, nothing to do with the S6. It just will not happen. The Note 4 was never meant to be a 64-bit model. The fact that the Exynos processor they used in some of the variants is 64-bit capable doesn't mean much.
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what does that even mean ? its a full 64 bit processor. it was meant to be 64 bit when designed and samsung is deciding whether or not to deploy 64 bit on the exynos models. they used a 64 bit processor on ALL models on the exynos note 4s - not "some".
all they have to do is deploy a 64 bit kernel and its 64 bit instantly.

zurkx said:
what does that even mean ? its a full 64 bit processor. it was meant to be 64 bit when designed and samsung is deciding whether or not to deploy 64 bit on the exynos models. they used a 64 bit processor on ALL models on the exynos note 4s - not "some".
all they have to do is deploy a 64 bit kernel and its 64 bit instantly.
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Well it is advertised as one of the first 64bit phones in some regions so they might only release aarch64 lollipop in those regions...
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zurkx said:
what does that even mean ? its a full 64 bit processor. it was meant to be 64 bit when designed and samsung is deciding whether or not to deploy 64 bit on the exynos models. they used a 64 bit processor on ALL models on the exynos note 4s - not "some".
all they have to do is deploy a 64 bit kernel and its 64 bit instantly.
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You misunderstood me, by "some models" I mean that there is also a Snapdragon version, so some models have Exynos, some Snapdragon.
I know how easy it is to enable it too, however, I don't think it will ever happen. Partly because there are variants out there (Snapdragon) that cost exactly the same, are available exclusively in some countries and are 32-bit. Which goes to show that Samsung never meant for the Exynos Note 4 to be 64-bit. Otherwise it'd be marketed as a different model, perhaps "Note 4S" or something. Hehehe!
Fuzzi99 said:
Well it is advertised as one of the first 64bit phones in some regions so they might only release aarch64 lollipop in those regions...
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Which regions?

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Which regions?
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I can't remember off the top of my head, but it has been posted on here before of regions advertising it as the first 64 bit android phone

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I can't remember off the top of my head, but it has been posted on here before of regions advertising it as the first 64 bit android phone
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My partner works for Samsung and I can assure you that it was never marketed as a 64-bit phone, at least in Europe. And whoever did market it as such, was not affiliated with Samsung in any way.
However, the Exynos processor used in the Note 4 was marketed as the first 64-bit capable one and that is true.
Check out this post regarding the controversy surrounding the Exynos processor and try to find Andreilux's article on Anandtech.

I wouldn't even worry about it. 64bit is overrated. There's not going to be any noticeable difference.

N910C Lolipop 5.1.0 64-bit ?

The note 4 (exynos variant) right now is
on Lolipop 5.0.1 and is still locked to 32-bit. Do you know if it will become 64-bit on the next update ? I want to get the phone, but I am worried about the lag

Up to the point when I had to return my N910C to the retailer for repairs, I never experienced any noticeable lag with my N910C when playing games or doing everyday tasks. But there have been rumors that the next 5.1.1 firmware update will enable the Exynos SOC to run in 64Bit mode rather than the current 32Bit mode.

Lets hope for that !

Completely false. Note 4 will never support 64 bit

SirHydarnes said:
Completely false. Note 4 will never support 64 bit
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Why ?

PanosAd113 said:
Why ?
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Because this is business my friend. Samsung is going to announce Note 5 later this month. And plus, according to people who did install 5.1.1, it is 32-bit still!

Well even 32 bit its really fast and if I ever want 64 bit I can get a ROM

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Well even 32 bit its really fast and if I ever want 64 bit I can get a ROM
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32 bit IS fast but i'm afraid 64 isn't that simple to be inside a ROM kernel

So what do you suggest ? Should I get the quad or octa core Note 4

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So what do you suggest ? Should I get the quad or octa core Note 4
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the best is to buy both of them and do not forget the note 5. it will be also a very good phone

Rajada said:
the best is to buy both of them and do not forget the note 5. it will be also a very good phone
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Not a millionaire mate.

TAB S2- Exynos (2015.) vs Snapdragon (2016.)- is there any sense to buy new one?

Hi, I had until few day ago t715- it was great but I sold it with idea tio buy bigger tab.
Now I am wondering is there sense to wait for T813 (T819) or simply buy T810 (T815)?
According to everything I seen on net (not much info) ONLY change is made in CPU/ GPU and is not clear is this platform better...
As I see for future, advantage could be:
1. further support (Android 7)...
2. easier CM/ AOSP implementation (but there is generally working cm12.1 / 13 for olds)
3. I like to have theme support, but it seems no themes on new vresions also...
I like to see someone else opinions...
thanks

Well you do get Marshmallow out of the box in the 2016 variant... For CM/AOSP implementation we have to wait for devs to actually create one, and there's a good chance that since the Exynos versions were released first, you'll have to wait for development on the Snapdragon side for a relatively longer time. My own opinion =)

Both CPU are actually 64 Bit CPUs, BUT
Exynos: 32 Bit Android System, even with Marshmallow Update
Snapdragon: 64 Bit Marshmallow System out-of-the-Box
Also good to know: On both variants only the LTE models support Vibration. Knowing that the WiFi models don't have any vibrational feedback within the UI was the dealbreaker for me.

I just bought a T710... I see T713 online for the same price. Is it worth it to go with the newer one?

Pretty sure the Snapdragon variants are called 'VE' (Value Edition) and available in Europe and Asia, can't find it anywhere in the UK though...

I would really like to see some benchmarks comparing the two. Indirect benchmarks indicate the 710 may be faster than the 713 except in graphics performance, where the 713 would win. But without someone performing direct comparisons, I can't be sure.

I would go for the one most likely to get N. I have an SM-T815 and I don't think it will get anything other than Marshmallow.
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Another difference is the new S2 is actually a true 64bit device running 64bit software.

I have the 713 for about a day and no issues with performance. Everything is smooth. Antutu scored about 78000 and geekbench was like 1400 single and 4800 multi.
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Also no theme support?
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Also no theme support?
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No theme support on t713..

No themes on the T813 either.
For those in the UK looking for a T813, I picked mine up a few days ago from PC World. Also note that it's still called the Tab S2 here, not the Tab S2 VE.

The SD652 is about 5-10% faster in CPU calc. and about 5-10% slower in GPU stuff. Assuming nothing else has changed, little reason to choose between the two until N lands for possibly only the newer version next year (Samsung are complete bastards about updates). The S2 should have had an Exynos 7420/4GB ram from the get go and the upgrade should have Exynos 8890, sad state of affairs in the Android tablet world. Could be worse though, could have the Pixel Crap with non functional wifi, straight from the geniuses at Google

I have the SM-T815 and I absolutely hate the idea that it's not getting Android N. Other than that I don't care about the hardware difference or custom ROMs.
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Isn't it true that software updates are provided for two years?
If so, then N isn't that far away.

I suppose this update with snapdragon means we will not see real tab s3 this summer?
btw. I look at samsung shop in Germany- snapdragon based tabs are cheaper...

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No themes on the T813 either.
For those in the UK looking for a T813, I picked mine up a few days ago from PC World. Also note that it's still called the Tab S2 here, not the Tab S2 VE.
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I'm looking at Currys and PC World online and they advertise the old Exynos version? Do you have a link?

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I'm looking at Currys and PC World online and they advertise the old Exynos version? Do you have a link?
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I brought it in store. It seems like they're selling both versions as the same product, so it's luck of the draw what version you will receive if you order online.
Your best bet is to visit your local Currys / PC World, that way you can check the model number on the box before you buy.

Where is it documented that this indeed is a 64bit OS?