Hello people,
From those of you who have installed the lollipop update, can anyone please confirm if Samsung has enabled 64 bit mode on the Note 4 ?
Thanks in advance
No, 64bit is not enabled.
And it will never be.
iridaki said:
And it will never be.
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Because they want to promote S6 as the first 64 bit phone blah blah blah ?
I wouldn't worry too much about going 64-bit on this phone - just look at the Snapdragon 810 getting whipped by the Exynos Note 4.
Additionally, I don't think the Note 4 will ever get a 64-bit OS - a bunch of code will need to get revalidated, and some drivers Samsung sourced from the outside may never get 64-bit versions of their closed HAL modules.
That said, it would be really nice if Samsung decided to do a global launch of the Gear VR.
Hurrian said:
I wouldn't worry too much about going 64-bit on this phone - just look at the Snapdragon 810 getting whipped by the Exynos Note 4.
Additionally, I don't think the Note 4 will ever get a 64-bit OS - a bunch of code will need to get revalidated, and some drivers Samsung sourced from the outside may never get 64-bit versions of their closed HAL modules.
That said, it would be really nice if Samsung decided to do a global launch of the Gear VR.
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If i'm not mistaken Samsung SM-N916S was rumored to come with SD 810. Instead it was released with SD 805, so i'm afraid those stats can't be taken seriously.
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Because they want to promote S6 as the first 64 bit phone blah blah blah ?
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No, nothing to do with the S6. It just will not happen. The Note 4 was never meant to be a 64-bit model. The fact that the Exynos processor they used in some of the variants is 64-bit capable doesn't mean much.
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No, nothing to do with the S6. It just will not happen. The Note 4 was never meant to be a 64-bit model. The fact that the Exynos processor they used in some of the variants is 64-bit capable doesn't mean much.
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Maybe more of a testing ground for their next Exynos chipset. All things point out that they won't enable 64 bit mode on Note 4, especially since there's a snapdragon variant out there.
But i still have some faith they may do it. Maybe not with lollipop update though.
It's just that if you are going to spend right now 500+ euros for a phone it should be as much "future proof" as possible. By buying Note 4 (SD) you are definitely not getting that. With the Exynos model there's still some doubt weather that's true or false. But as the lollipop update confirmed we are not getting that either for now.
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It's just that if you are going to spend right now 500+ euros for a phone it should be as much "future proof" as possible. By buying Note 4 (SD) you are definitely not getting that. With the Exynos model there's still some doubt weather that's true or false. But as the lollipop update confirmed we are not getting that either for now.
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I know what you mean, however, if you're spending 500+ Euros for a phone, you should read its specs very carefully and buy it 'as is'. The hope of something extra (Lollipop update, 64-bit) could significantly compromise one's experience. Don't get me wrong, extras are always welcome, of course. But when you invest your hard-earned money, it should be for something you can have right then and there, not "maybe some time, perhaps".
As for future-proof, 32-bit processors will be relevant for a long, long time. Much longer than most of us will keep the Note 4. Just because some of the newer ones may be 64-bit, doesn't mean that anything that isn't is doomed in any way or form.
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No, nothing to do with the S6. It just will not happen. The Note 4 was never meant to be a 64-bit model. The fact that the Exynos processor they used in some of the variants is 64-bit capable doesn't mean much.
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what does that even mean ? its a full 64 bit processor. it was meant to be 64 bit when designed and samsung is deciding whether or not to deploy 64 bit on the exynos models. they used a 64 bit processor on ALL models on the exynos note 4s - not "some".
all they have to do is deploy a 64 bit kernel and its 64 bit instantly.
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what does that even mean ? its a full 64 bit processor. it was meant to be 64 bit when designed and samsung is deciding whether or not to deploy 64 bit on the exynos models. they used a 64 bit processor on ALL models on the exynos note 4s - not "some".
all they have to do is deploy a 64 bit kernel and its 64 bit instantly.
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Well it is advertised as one of the first 64bit phones in some regions so they might only release aarch64 lollipop in those regions...
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zurkx said:
what does that even mean ? its a full 64 bit processor. it was meant to be 64 bit when designed and samsung is deciding whether or not to deploy 64 bit on the exynos models. they used a 64 bit processor on ALL models on the exynos note 4s - not "some".
all they have to do is deploy a 64 bit kernel and its 64 bit instantly.
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You misunderstood me, by "some models" I mean that there is also a Snapdragon version, so some models have Exynos, some Snapdragon.
I know how easy it is to enable it too, however, I don't think it will ever happen. Partly because there are variants out there (Snapdragon) that cost exactly the same, are available exclusively in some countries and are 32-bit. Which goes to show that Samsung never meant for the Exynos Note 4 to be 64-bit. Otherwise it'd be marketed as a different model, perhaps "Note 4S" or something. Hehehe!
Fuzzi99 said:
Well it is advertised as one of the first 64bit phones in some regions so they might only release aarch64 lollipop in those regions...
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Which regions?
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Which regions?
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I can't remember off the top of my head, but it has been posted on here before of regions advertising it as the first 64 bit android phone
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I can't remember off the top of my head, but it has been posted on here before of regions advertising it as the first 64 bit android phone
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My partner works for Samsung and I can assure you that it was never marketed as a 64-bit phone, at least in Europe. And whoever did market it as such, was not affiliated with Samsung in any way.
However, the Exynos processor used in the Note 4 was marketed as the first 64-bit capable one and that is true.
Check out this post regarding the controversy surrounding the Exynos processor and try to find Andreilux's article on Anandtech.
I wouldn't even worry about it. 64bit is overrated. There's not going to be any noticeable difference.
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Which CPU does the Note 3 use? Please enlighten me
MSM8974 or MSM8974AB?
MSM8974: Adreno 330 @ 450Mhz and dual channel LPDDR3 @ 800Mhz
MSM8974AB: Adreno 330 @ 550Mhz and dual channel LPDDR3 @ 933Mhz
Most likely the 8974, only the meizu mx3 will have the AB version check anandtech.com that'll have all the info on the Soc. It does however have a low power radio which should save battery.
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That's an interesting question. If there's a "better" S-800 it would be odd that with Samsung's purchasing power with Qualcomm that they wouldn't use it in their flagship and allow a Chinese upstart to tout a more powerful phone. The S-600 Samsung used in the SGS4 was "AB" so let's hope the S-800 in the N3 is also. We'll find out when Anandtech does their testing. This is from their review of the SGS4...
That brings us to the Galaxy S 4. It's immediately apparent that something is different here because Samsung is shipping the Snapdragon 600 at a higher frequency than any other OEM. The Krait 300 cores in SGS4 can run at up to 1.9GHz vs. 1.7GHz for everyone else. Curiously enough, 1.9GHz is the max frequency that Qualcomm mentioned when it first announced Snapdragon 600.
Samsung is obviously a very large customer, so at first glance we assumed it could simply demand a better bin of Snapdragon 600 than its lower volume competitors. Looking a bit deeper however, we see that the Galaxy S 4 uses something different entirely.
Digging through the Galaxy S 4 kernel source we see references to an APQ8064AB part. As a recap, APQ8064 was the first quad-core Krait 200 SoC with no integrated modem, more commonly referred to as Snapdragon S4 Pro. APQ8064T was supposed to be its higher clocked/Krait 300 based successor that ended up with the marketing name Snapdragon 600. APQ8064AB however is, at this point, unique to the Galaxy S 4 but still carries the Snapdragon 600 marketing name.
If we had to guess, we might be looking at an actual respin of the APQ8064 silicon in APQ8064AB. Assuming Qualcomm isn't playing any funny games here, APQ8064AB may simply be a respin capable of hitting higher frequencies. We'll have to keep a close eye on this going forward, but it's clear to me that the Galaxy S 4 is shipping with something different than everyone else who has a Snapdragon 600 at this point.
The one I played with had the AB S800.
Fingers crossed!
NZtechfreak said:
The one I played with had the AB S800.
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The wiki snapdragon chipset shows the AB s800 only in xiaomi mi-3
The official note 3 global site only says 2.3 ghz quad-core processor....not mentioning what quad-core...
so it's 50-50......since they both have identical frequencies...here is for hoping for the best) AB version!
Hopefuly you are right!
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vladleo said:
The wiki snapdragon chipset shows the AB s800 only in xiaomi mi-3
The official note 3 global site only says 2.3 ghz quad-core processor....not mentioning what quad-core...
so it's 50-50......since they both have identical frequencies...here is for hoping for the best) AB version!
Hopefuly you are right!
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He later said this:
Actually I looked into this some more - the network guy I was in contact with said it was the AB binning as it was clocked at 2.3Ghz. I took that as read and hence posted that information here, however I see even at the 2.3Ghz clockspeed it looks like there are two binnings for the GPU speed. Bottom line I can't categorically state this is AB bin, my apologies for that - OP updated.
Here is what the Voodoo Report says, as you can see it depends on whether the 0007 revision corresponds to the AB bin:
Hardware : Qualcomm MSM 8974 (Flattened Device Tree)
Revision : 0007
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The table in the referenced Anandtech article shows the CPU of the MSM8974AB as being 100MHz faster. It shows the MSM8974 at 2.2GHz, and the MSM8974AB at 2.3. Given this, I would assume that the note would have the MSM8974AB processor.
edit: Just checked the specs on the G2 and Z1. Those phones list their CPU speeds at 2260 MHz and 2200MHz respectively and both of them have the S800. Samsung lists the Note 3's CPU at 2.3GHz.
Can anyone who has received their s800 note3 please confirm whether or not the note 3 carries the 8974AB soc? I'm really interested to see if they added AB soc like they did with the S4...
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Can anyone who has received their s800 note3 please confirm whether or not the note 3 carries the 8974AB soc? I'm really interested to see if they added AB soc like they did with the S4...
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Are you sure that S4 has AB? Because if it did then it will be a paranoia not to do the same thing on Note 3 especially that Note 3 is more suited for this tweaked processor due to its thermal advantages over S4. Lets see....
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Are you sure that S4 has AB? Because if it did then it will be a paranoia not to do the same thing on Note 3 especially that Note 3 is more suited for this tweaked processor due to its thermal advantages over S4. Lets see....
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Yeah, I am sure that the S4 uses the 8064AB soc. It's well documented on Wikipedia, XDA, etc. Samsung has already set the precedent of using the AB soc in the S4 so I would be surprised if they did not utilize the 8974AB in the Note 3. I'm fairly certain they did use the AB soc in the Note but I still am waiting for someone with a N9005 to confirm. I'm surprised more people aren't clamoring to know this.
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Yeah, I am sure that the S4 uses the 8064AB soc. It's well documented on Wikipedia, XDA, etc. Samsung has already set the precedent of using the AB soc in the S4 so I would be surprised if they did not utilize the 8974AB in the Note 3. I'm fairly certain they did use the AB soc in the Note but I still am waiting for someone with a N9005 to confirm. I'm surprised more people aren't clamoring to know this.
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Then that's very good news.I was quite hesitated at first because as far as I am concerned Anandtech and many other tech sites and even Xiaomi in itself promoted/reported Xiaomi Mi3's S800 AB like it was the chosen one and the first on the market and none of them bother to report or had clue that S4 has already the AB variant! Hmm...
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Then that's very good news.I was quite hesitated at first because as far as I am concerned Anandtech and many other tech sites and even Xiaomi in itself promoted/reported Xiaomi Mi3's S800 AB like it was the chosen one and the first on the market and none of them bother to report or had clue that S4 has already the AB variant! Hmm...
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The Xiaomi Mi3 was the first phone (maybe the only?) to announce the use of the s800AB (8974AB) variant. The S4 and HTC Butterfly S use the S600AB variant (8064AB). I really hope the Note 3 has the AB variant of the S800, although you would think Samsung might advertise the soc a little more as it does include an overclocked GPU and uses higher frequency ram. Anyways...someone please confirm!
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The Xiaomi Mi3 was the first phone (maybe the only?) to announce the use of the s800AB (8974AB) variant. The S4 and HTC Butterfly S use the S600AB variant (8064AB). I really hope the Note 3 has the AB variant of the S800, although you would think Samsung might advertise the soc a little more as it does include an overclocked GPU and uses higher frequency ram. Anyways...someone please confirm!
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I agree, but Samsung may not want to advertise the S800 SoC too much, because if they say "the S800AB has incredible GPU!" then the Exynos markets would be Plus, Exynos is samsung's SoC brand, and I'm sure they'd rather promote their product over qualcomm's.
The unit in this review doesn't use AB.
See mark 9:30
eustilou said:
The unit in this review doesn't use AB.
See mark 9:30
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:crying: Thanks for confirming. Shame they didn't use the AB soc. Why let Mi-3 have it but not Note 3??
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:crying: Thanks for confirming. Shame they didn't use the AB soc. Why let Mi-3 have it but not Note 3??
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Maybe Qualcomm can't make that many?
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:crying: Thanks for confirming. Shame they didn't use the AB soc. Why let Mi-3 have it but not Note 3??
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This is why.
http://gsminsider.com/2013/09/xiaomi-mi3-snapdragon-800-delays/
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eustilou said:
This is why.
http://gsminsider.com/2013/09/xiaomi-mi3-snapdragon-800-delays/
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Now it's starting to make sense. Thanks for posting this. i found an article somewhere on google that talked about how all Chinese Note 3's would come with the AB variant, but that clearly cannot be the case...still sucks. I am on tmobile so im stuck with the s800 variant. i kind of wish I could get the octo core variant, but i know i wont get LTE and i'm not sure if i would get HSPA+. I've got a preorder in for the note 3 but I'm considering waiting for the new nexus phone. Choices choices....
servantz said:
:crying: Thanks for confirming. Shame they didn't use the AB soc. Why let Mi-3 have it but not Note 3??
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because Note 3 is much expensive in china, not many people will buy it
and xiaomi has much lower price point at 1999 RMB
also xiaomi has Tegra 4 version this year
so Qualcomm feels NVIDIA will take over the partnership with xiaomi
if they do not offer something real good soc
also Qualcomm is one of the investor of xiaomi
techinsights.com/samsung-galaxy-note-3
I don't know if the site is reliable or not. But it seems that their tear down reveal that sm n9005 is using the AB chip.
Sorry that I can't post links as I am new. but please do take a look!
Does anybody know for sure what's going to happen when the Android 5.0 Lollipop update takes effect will the 5433 be automatically be switched over to 64-bit mode or is that something Samsung has to handle on their end? Because it seems to me they'll probably never officially update it to 64-bit mode anyway or am I wrong does anybody have any insight on this?
Thanks
Whatever we are saying at the moment is of course pure speculation. The only source of information that I am aware of is Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc), which seems to suggest that the Exynos 5433 might not ever be running 64-bit. But then again, it is also speculation.
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Whatever we are saying at the moment is of course pure speculation. The only source of information that I am aware of is Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc), which seems to suggest that the Exynos 5433 might not ever be running 64-bit. But then again, it is also speculation.
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Yeah I've seen that article it says maybe not or at least no time soon but Lollipop is around the corner so wonder if some answers will come out. And I'm also wondering if that's something some of the devs here on XDA can get working? We just have to see but please people chime in.!.!
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Yeah I've seen that article it says maybe not or at least no time soon but Lollipop is around the corner so wonder if some answers will come out. And I'm also wondering if that's something some of the devs here on XDA can get working? We just have to see but please people chime in.!.!
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I would not think so.
Even Google released their new flag Nexus 6 with Lollipop as 32bit.
And furthermore, what do you think would happen when Samsung upgrades one half of its Note 4's to 64bit and the other half not...
Makes no sense to me :silly:
What! you mean you aint running L 64bit on your Exynos yet? Dude so behind the times, pun.
Isnt there like 10 threads with this same/similar topic already?
MisterKanister said:
I would not think so.
Even Google released their new flag Nexus 6 with Lollipop as 32bit.
And furthermore, what do you think would happen when Samsung upgrades one half of its Note 4's to 64bit and the other half not...
Makes no sense to me :silly:
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Nexus 6 runs snapdragon 805 which is not 64bit cpu.
It would be a waste if note 4 octa would only run in 32bit.. its like having 10inch penis and you would only use 5inch of it
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its like having 10inch penis and you would only use 5inch of it
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Story of my life buddy.
Is there a way or any ideas of how to enable 64 bit in the exynos chip or its gonna be locked and cannot be enabled?
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sirwanesmail said:
Is there a way or any ideas of how to enable 64 bit in the exynos chip or its gonna be locked and cannot be enabled?
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You cannot since current Android version on N4 runs only on 32-bit. I have also heard rumors about our exynos chip not actually having a 64-bit CPU. There's only one way to find out and that is to wait for Lollipop since that will start support for 64-bit CPUs.
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You cannot since current Android version on N4 runs only on 32-bit. I have also heard rumors about our exynos chip not actually having a 64-bit CPU. There's only one way to find out and that is to wait for Lollipop since that will start support for 64-bit CPUs.
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Its been said before. Exynos is most definitely a 64-bit chip, but even when android L comes out, samsung will not enable the 64bit architecture on the Exynos. Also no custom rom will be able to unlock it, so even though it is 64bit you will only ever use it in 32bit mode. Having said that, its still a better chip than the Snapdragon.
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Its been said before. Exynos is most definitely a 64-bit chip, but even when android L comes out, samsung will not enable the 64bit architecture on the Exynos. Also no custom rom will be able to unlock it, so even though it is 64bit you will only ever use it in 32bit mode. Having said that, its still a better chip than the Snapdragon.
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Might be true. However at least we will get 100% ART with hopefully Xposed support...
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Its been said before. Exynos is most definitely a 64-bit chip, but even when android L comes out, samsung will not enable the 64bit architecture on the Exynos. Also no custom rom will be able to unlock it, so even though it is 64bit you will only ever use it in 32bit mode. Having said that, its still a better chip than the Snapdragon.
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Are you making a statement ?? XD
The bootloader in the Note 4 Exynos is alredy prepared for 64bits.
Also, if you want development from @AndreiLux please make a donation here https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/note-4-exynos-development-device
And spread this.
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Are you making a statement ?? XD
The bootloader in the Note 4 Exynos is alredy prepared for 64bits.
Also, if you want development from @AndreiLux please make a donation here https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/note-4-exynos-development-device
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Just repeating whats been said on the Snapdragon vs Exynos thread. Personally I will never root, so for me at least it will always be 32bit because there is zero chance that samsung will upgrade half the note 4s out there to 64bit without risking a full riot and possibly legal action from snapdragon owners.
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Just repeating whats been said on the Snapdragon vs Exynos thread. Personally I will never root, so for me at least it will always be 32bit because there is zero chance that samsung will upgrade half the note 4s out there to 64bit without risking a full riot and possibly legal action from snapdragon owners.
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What ??? You are exaggerating a lot...
I am telling you that the software in the Note is alredy prepared to 64bits. And most of the costumer don't know which processor have and if it is running in 32 or 64 bits. There is no point in demanding Samsung for something like this.
For years different version of the same "model" have been launched by Samsung with some different features like the Galaxy S3 in USA having 2GB of RAM and LTE while in Europe only 1GB and just 3G.
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What ??? You are exaggerating a lot...
I am telling you that the software in the Note is alredy prepared to 64bits. And most of the costumer don't know which processor have and if it is running in 32 or 64 bits. There is no point in demanding Samsung for something like this.
For years different version of the same "model" have been launched by Samsung with some different features like the Galaxy S3 in USA having 2GB of RAM and LTE while in Europe only 1GB and just 3G.
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Well I hope you are right. It would be lovely to have 64bit. However that is not what everyone is saying over in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/to-snapdragon-805-to-exynos-5433-t2868247
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Well I hope you are right. It would be lovely to have 64bit. However that is not what everyone is saying over in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/to-snapdragon-805-to-exynos-5433-t2868247
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Oh, a lot of people without any kind of knowledge about the topic claim Samsung will not update to 64bits. Who cares ? XD
And those people are Snapdragon users
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Oh, a lot of people without any kind of knowledge about the topic claim Samsung will not update to 64bits. Who cares ? XD
And those people are Snapdragon users
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Well I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss them all as idiots.
The big question is why Samsung choose to name this chip Exynos 5433 and not market it as a 64-bit chip in a new product lineup? The answer could be simply that we won't ever see the 5433 running in AArch64 mode. The chip's firmware and drivers are running on a "CAL" / Chip-Abstraction-Layer on the lowest level of the driver stacks. In fact, beyond the CPU cores (and GPU), the Exynos 5433 looks very similar to the Exynos 5430 which employs A15/A7 cores.
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source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc
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I doubt we'll be seeing AArch64 from the community if Samsung doesn't support it themselves, and similar to the 5420 HMP it's because the software stack is tied to the bootloader which is closed source. Of course they could update it but they have absolutely no incentive to do so and the probability in my opinion is near zero.
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Well I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss them all as idiots.
source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc
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Not all.
And we have recently know that Samsung has added the Exynos in Note 4 to the new Exynos 7 family.
And we have found that the bootloader is alredy in 64 bits...
He is human, he can give his opinion based on some arguments but he doesn't have to be right and we all wrong. Indeed he was saying at the beginning that the Exynos 5433 was A15/A7 and then he retracted to be wrong, we all commit mistakes.
Heres the proof
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up this thread, now we have marsmallow, 64bits is near... in next os. ironic mode on....
Is there a way for devs to write a kernel that enables exynos 64 bit on lollipop if samsung didnt implement it? And what are the needs to do such a job?
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Is there a way for devs to write a kernel that enables exynos 64 bit on lollipop if samsung didnt implement it? And what are the needs to do such a job?
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It only enable if samsung allow us on android 5 lollipop
I think there is no dev can do it
Guys!
I am thinking about Note 4 purchase, but x64 mode is very important for me. So I decided to choose 910C (Exynos) version, but unfortunately, Samsung lock this device on 32-bit mode.
Is there any chance, that Exynos Note 4 will get 64-bit mode on Android 5.0?
What you think about that:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg39499.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg39710.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg39506.html
According to this article by the renowned Exynos developer, Andreilux, it seems likely that Samsung will never update the Note 4 to run on 64-bit:
The big question is why Samsung choose to name this chip Exynos 5433 and not market it as a 64-bit chip in a new product lineup? The answer could be simply that we won't ever see the 5433 running in AArch64 mode. The chip's firmware and drivers are running on a "CAL" / Chip-Abstraction-Layer on the lowest level of the driver stacks. In fact, beyond the CPU cores (and GPU), the Exynos 5433 looks very similar to the Exynos 5430 which employs A15/A7 cores.
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Also this post sums up the current situation and the future possibilities very well.
BarryH_GEG said:
@AndreiLux is one of if not the most prominent kernel developer(s) on XDA. There's a bounty on the forum trying to convince him to write a kernel for the Exynos Note 4. He's the author of this article on AnandTech discussing 5433. It's pretty straight forward. 5433 is 64 bit capable but running in 32 bit mode. He's said multiple times in this thread that third parties can't get it working in 64 bit alone so it's up to Samsung. If he's saying it can't be done I'd take that over some lesser sources saying it can. Samsung's never mentioned that 5433 is 64 bit capable in any of their PR or interviews either.
To make things even more interesting, Samsung announced Exynos 7 as a future chip. Here's the official Exynos 7 B2B website.
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/m/solution.html#?v=7octa
Unless I'm missing it, no where on it does it mention 64 bit. Has anyone seen a press release from Samsung directly saying Exynos 7 is 64 bit? The press covering it have been saying it is but it's odd, at least from what I've found, that there's nothing saying so from Samsung. @AndreiLux can comment but Exynos 7 appears to be identical or near identical to 5433 specs wise.
Possibilities:
5422 was a near identical chip to 5420 and the former shipped with HMP enabled. We all know Samsung could have gone back and updated 5420 and didn't. So Exynos 7 could end up being an updated 5433 with 64 bit capabilities and a new model number leaving 5433 to remain 32 bit.
Exynos 7 is really 5433 with a new name and when it starts shipping under that new name will have 64 bit enabled. Samsung will via s/w update versions that shipped as 32 bit to 64 bit.
Samsung could care less about any of this knowing that the masses don't buy devices based on processor better yet the difference between HMP vs. non-HMP and 32 bit vs. 64 bit. Especially when it'll take many months for a critical mass of 64 bit Android devices to be in people's hands for app developers to start investing in coding for it. People on XDA care about this stuff; the masses not so much. How many people traded in six month old Note 3's for SGS5's simply to get HMP? Tens?
My guess is #3. Samsung will introduce 64 bit, probably with much fanfare, knowing it's not going to sell more devices but extracting PR value from it. Unless some major change in their thinking occurs the 64 bit version of 5433 will have a new model number and 5433 will die 32 bit. All just my opinion. You're all welcome to believe and debate your own. Bottom line is no one here (me included) can do anything but speculate what Samsung's future SoC product and positioning plans are and how they'll treat previously released products from an upgrade stand point.
Believe what makes you happy.
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So to answer the OP, no developer can enable 64-bit.
And there are some serious doubts as to whether even Samsung will do it.
It's all up in the air and you will not get any definitive answers.
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iridaki said:
So to answer the OP, no developer can enable 64-bit.
And there are some serious doubts as to whether even Samsung will do it.
It's all up in the air and you will not get any definitive answers.
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Thanks!
I wonder if we could get some predictions when Samsung will update Note 4 Exynos to Android 5.0. If they won't able the x64 mode at the beginning, we shouldn't expect any changes in future months. Why? Because Samsung will focus on Galaxy S6 (probably THE FIRST x64 device from Samsung), and after that we will little close to Note 5 premiere.
It's all because of marketing & PR! I hate it!
Galuszka said:
Thanks!
I wonder if we could get some predictions when Samsung will update Note 4 Exynos to Android 5.0.
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It will be January 2015, at least that's when the staged rollout is rumoured to begin. It will be relatively soon, as the S5 has already been updated and a fully working test build for the Note 4 has been shown in a video courtesy of Sammobile.
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It will be January 2015, at least that's when the staged rollout is rumoured to begin. It will be relatively soon, as the S5 has already been updated and a fully working test build for the Note 4 has been shown in a video courtesy of Sammobile.
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Do you think that this update will give us some proofs about x64 mode on Note 4?
Galuszka said:
Do you think that this update will give us some proofs about x64 mode on Note 4?
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I think it will either enable x64 or it will not. I'm not sure whether it will give us any sort of proof. We already know the processor is capable.
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Guys, everyone. I think there's a way to do that. Trying it out right now. Wish me luck. I just found where you can set those stuff up!!!!!!!
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Well, I tried to use the Nexus 9 build settings that had a 64bit option set to arm64-v8a on my Exynos Note 4 running 5.0.1 Lollipop but unfortunately, I think because of us being octa-core kinda deal, it won't work. I'm waiting for the galaxy s6 to get out there so that I could use that guy's settings. After all, their processors are one and the only difference is the frequency.
how do you know the s6 is running in 64 bit mode ? it has only 3GB RAM which makes me think it is also running in 32 bit mode.
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how do you know the s6 is running in 64 bit mode ? it has only 3GB RAM which makes me think it is also running in 32 bit mode.
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No it was advertised as running 64 bit. That has nothing to do with it.
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http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1926938
Says Geekbench 3.3.1 for Android AArch64 means it's 64bit
that looks like a pre release prototype from feb 17.
the most recent one is 32-bit. march 3rd which i assume is a production device.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2016185
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that looks like a pre release prototype from feb 17.
the most recent one is 32-bit. march 3rd which i assume is a production device.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2016185
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nope its fully 64 bit.
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nope its fully 64 bit.
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have you used one at MWC ? how do you know this ?
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have you used one at MWC ? how do you know this ?
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Firs...n-AnTuTu-and-outrageous-memory-speeds_id66653
check 4th pic i think its enough.
"However, these are pre-release units we're handling here"
Keep digging maybe you will find a 32 bit s6.... they advertised it as 64 bit so its an 64 bit phone with os and hardware.
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Keep digging maybe you will find a 32 bit s6.... they advertised it as 64 bit so its an 64 bit phone with os and hardware.
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Thank u!! I'm tryin to tell these guys. BTW, does anyone know if there are any other places that have the S6 for testing other than MCW?? I'm gonna be taking vacation probably to California and Nevada next week so I though I could you know, see this guy from upclose!
Hi guys ,
How about editing the build prop . does this enable 64 bit mode ?
http://axloneso.blogspot.in/2015/07/active-chip-64bit-exynos-5433-on-note-4.html
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Hi guys ,
How about editing the build prop . does this enable 64 bit mode ?
http://axloneso.blogspot.in/2015/07/active-chip-64bit-exynos-5433-on-note-4.html
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you can try and tell us how did it go?
The note 4 (exynos variant) right now is
on Lolipop 5.0.1 and is still locked to 32-bit. Do you know if it will become 64-bit on the next update ? I want to get the phone, but I am worried about the lag
Up to the point when I had to return my N910C to the retailer for repairs, I never experienced any noticeable lag with my N910C when playing games or doing everyday tasks. But there have been rumors that the next 5.1.1 firmware update will enable the Exynos SOC to run in 64Bit mode rather than the current 32Bit mode.
Lets hope for that !
Completely false. Note 4 will never support 64 bit
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Completely false. Note 4 will never support 64 bit
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Why ?
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Why ?
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Because this is business my friend. Samsung is going to announce Note 5 later this month. And plus, according to people who did install 5.1.1, it is 32-bit still!
Well even 32 bit its really fast and if I ever want 64 bit I can get a ROM
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Well even 32 bit its really fast and if I ever want 64 bit I can get a ROM
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32 bit IS fast but i'm afraid 64 isn't that simple to be inside a ROM kernel
So what do you suggest ? Should I get the quad or octa core Note 4
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So what do you suggest ? Should I get the quad or octa core Note 4
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the best is to buy both of them and do not forget the note 5. it will be also a very good phone
Rajada said:
the best is to buy both of them and do not forget the note 5. it will be also a very good phone
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Not a millionaire mate.