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see this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4761908#post4761908

​I'm sure it can be done but I don't have a spare phone to test it on​

Zen, I've got a spare Vogue - I'd like to retain posession but I'm happy to donate it to science and flash whatever you can come up with.

mrkite38 said:
Zen, I've got a spare Vogue - I'd like to retain posession but I'm happy to donate it to science and flash whatever you can come up with.
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i would take you up on your offer but i have so much going on right now that something like flashing is months away and i'll be getting a android phone soon so my interest in the project is going to die down shortly. thats why i've been trying to get others involved and setting up tutorials and giving out access to vogue-hero. the only thing i might do is make a mini winmo rom and have android boot on nand through haret if thats even possible. there is a thread around here somewhere that died out in favor of getting android more stable and fully featured. as it stands hero won't fit on the device. we could use the apps to sd method and maybe even move others out to the sdcard. but keeping the core system and data on nand would help with speed even if they are still packed as images you won't have the sd bus bottle neck to deal with.

zenulator said:
i would take you up on your offer but i have so much going on right now that something like flashing is months away and i'll be getting a android phone soon so my interest in the project is going to die down shortly. thats why i've been trying to get others involved and setting up tutorials and giving out access to vogue-hero. the only thing i might do is make a mini winmo rom and have android boot on nand through haret if thats even possible. there is a thread around here somewhere that died out in favor of getting android more stable and fully featured. as it stands hero won't fit on the device. we could use the apps to sd method and maybe even move others out to the sdcard. but keeping the core system and data on nand would help with speed even if they are still packed as images you won't have the sd bus bottle neck to deal with.
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your heavily optimized nano hero would fit

jamezelle said:
your heavily optimized nano hero would fit
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i forgot about that....one

Is there any chance a Tattoo build might work enough to not completely brick the phone? I know the processor is the same, but I'm not sure what other issues might arise and if the SPL hack to flash WM6.5 could boot Android (i.e. if it works like a generic bootloader on most PCs to just start loading whatever is in location X, or if it is more specialized to the OS).
I have a spare vogue lying around since my girlfriend got her hero, and I doubt she's going to the trouble of reselling it, so I guess I could potentially try some flashing if anyone has any ideas.

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Future of HD2 Android?

I was wondering once Android on the hd2 is stable, will it be possible to flash a ROM like we do with wm or will be stuck using haret or the dualboot thing? Or is it too soon to even forecast?

As I understand atm its just running ontop of windows you dont flash android yet, but i guess they will try and get it to work as a rom eventually after they have all the driver issues sorted out and the little niggles there is but don't hold you're breathe for now mate, I wouldn't even like to say if its possible to have it as a main rom,

I believe the devs plan to have android boot from nand. Whether or not they will be successful remains to be seen. I have faith that we will have a good solution in time.

Ok cool to know! I've been running sense all day and im hooked!

Demon_man said:
As I understand atm its just running ontop of windows you dont flash android yet, but i guess they will try and get it to work as a rom eventually after they have all the driver issues sorted out and the little niggles there is but don't hold you're breathe for now mate, I wouldn't even like to say if its possible to have it as a main rom,
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It is not running on top of winmo... haret.exe shuts down the windows kernel and launches the linux kernel. Right now, they need winmo to boot first because winmo initializes a lot of the hardware. Eventually, once they have drivers that can initialize everything on its own, they can boot android from nand, but that will probably take a while. Only 1 or 2 winmo devices out of over a dozen that have android ports have android roms that can be flashed, and thats after years of development.
Personally, I prefer to keep winmo and have the ability to boot android or other linux builds when i want to. I prefer winmo, but also love android and love the fact that i can run both on my phone. Also, booting from nand doesn't really improve performance on any of the other android ports. If I wanted android full-time, I'd get an android phone... and I know some people are going to say there is no android phone with the screen or specs available for their carrier... but I can almost guarantee that by the time we have a flashable rom, there will be plenty of android phones with equal or better specs and screen for your carrier or country. I just don't see the reason to flash and get rid of winmo when you could have the best of both worlds. I guess maybe I'm just a winmo fan, but I don't know why you would have an HD2 if you weren't. Why make your phone just another android phone when you could have a dual-booting power-phone that can run both android and winmo apps. There's no playstation emulator for android!

zarathustrax said:
It is not running on top of winmo... haret.exe shuts down the windows kernel and launches the linux kernel. Right now, they need winmo to boot first because winmo initializes a lot of the hardware. Eventually, once they have drivers that can initialize everything on its own, they can boot android from nand, but that will probably take a while. Only 1 or 2 winmo devices out of over a dozen that have android ports have android roms that can be flashed, and thats after years of development.
Personally, I prefer to keep winmo and have the ability to boot android or other linux builds when i want to. I prefer winmo, but also love android and love the fact that i can run both on my phone. Also, booting from nand doesn't really improve performance on any of the other android ports. If I wanted android full-time, I'd get an android phone... and I know some people are going to say there is no android phone with the screen or specs available for their carrier... but I can almost guarantee that by the time we have a flashable rom, there will be plenty of android phones with equal or better specs and screen for your carrier or country. I just don't see the reason to flash and get rid of winmo when you could have the best of both worlds. I guess maybe I'm just a winmo fan, but I don't know why you would have an HD2 if you weren't. Why make your phone just another android phone when you could have a dual-booting power-phone that can run both android and winmo apps. There's no playstation emulator for android!
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Well put, I dont think droid is worth no psx games! I understand why people want a nand build though!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732160
Check out this thread for development.

Personally i prefer this dual boot system.It is simply the best.The advantages are very big for me.There things i like in winmo and dont want to lose. A 2 in 1 device is simply the best combination

Hi guys , has anyone tried to create Android rom for HD2
using Supersonic's ( Evo 4G ) Rom ?
I mean :
- take some parts of Ssonic rom to compare this with existing "pre"Android Rom
for HD2
Some parts should be similar so..... anyone tried ???
Don't tell me about differences hd2->SSonic because i know this.
Answer please.

It would be great if we could have something like grub, with both WinMo and Android installed, and enabling us to select which to boot right after turning the phone on! But I don't see this coming

yeah its too early to know. Imagine having an Android ROM on it that isn't fully compatible and then you get an error that won't let you hard reset or boot to the flash screen. Youd brick your phone! I think it will happen but not for maybe another year and by then I'm sure more high spec phones will be out.

How about somebody figures out how to run a barebones WM and Android on internal memory? Then it would have SD hotswap. I don't know if that is even possible though (probably not).

I've thought about this. with internal memory, I believe it is more stable and speedy than SDcard.

My hd 2 android and my evo
Sent from my hd 2 android using XDA App

zarathustrax said:
It is not running on top of winmo... haret.exe shuts down the windows kernel and launches the linux kernel. Right now, they need winmo to boot first because winmo initializes a lot of the hardware. Eventually, once they have drivers that can initialize everything on its own, they can boot android from nand, but that will probably take a while. Only 1 or 2 winmo devices out of over a dozen that have android ports have android roms that can be flashed, and thats after years of development.
Personally, I prefer to keep winmo and have the ability to boot android or other linux builds when i want to. I prefer winmo, but also love android and love the fact that i can run both on my phone. Also, booting from nand doesn't really improve performance on any of the other android ports. If I wanted android full-time, I'd get an android phone... and I know some people are going to say there is no android phone with the screen or specs available for their carrier... but I can almost guarantee that by the time we have a flashable rom, there will be plenty of android phones with equal or better specs and screen for your carrier or country. I just don't see the reason to flash and get rid of winmo when you could have the best of both worlds. I guess maybe I'm just a winmo fan, but I don't know why you would have an HD2 if you weren't. Why make your phone just another android phone when you could have a dual-booting power-phone that can run both android and winmo apps. There's no playstation emulator for android!
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I too prefer the ability boot both WM and Android rather than booting Android exclusively. After using the desire rom for the past couple of days, call me crazy, but it really feels like sense on Windows Mobile with cookies home tab is more streamlined and accessible. Don't get me wrong, I prefer Android over Windows Mobile at the end of the day, but the aging WM OS still has a lot of perks.
What I'd rather see is a solution that allows you to truly dual boot WM and Android, and making jumping in and out of one for the other relatively quick and easy.

DeadVirus said:
It would be great if we could have something like grub, with both WinMo and Android installed, and enabling us to select which to boot right after turning the phone on! But I don't see this coming
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I don't see how this is all that different than any of the several apps the devs here have created to let you choose after booting whether you want to boot Android (even the build of your choice) or WinMo... I'm running it now and that app works rather flawlessly.

i just cant wait to ahve a nand android on hd2,,, its soo awesome,,,
i have installed the latest 1.7 of froyo..on hd2 qnd it rocks,...only if it were possible to ake it permaert.
now what i wan tis atleat some news from the developers side to show ,, they are still int he works of developing android nand.... no news is such bad news ....

Thread Closed! Will the samsung focus have an android development?

ive noticed the galaxyS/Captivate and the Focus are very similar in hardware except for the memory card syncing with the phone itself and the cpu focus:snapdragon / galaxys/captivate hummingbird, so i was wondering if anyone is working on it already or maybe attempting to gather information on a new beginning for this phones journey into xda

dahrat said:
ive noticed the galaxyS/Captivate and the Focus are very similar in hardware except for the memory card syncing with the phone itself and the cpu focus:snapdragon / galaxys/captivate hummingbird, so i was wondering if anyone is working on it already or maybe attempting to gather information on a new beginning for this phones journey into xda
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I havent heard anything about anyone trying to port android to the focus or any WP7 phones yet...but it may come in the future...im not sure if its possible or not...but im pretty sure these XDA devs can make it happen.

i hope xda is the first i might not post much and lurk more but if its any site i want to see catch a big fish its here <3

dahrat said:
i hope xda is the first i might not post much and lurk more but if its any site i want to see catch a big fish its here <3
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If anybody does it first it will be here!

android on WP7
Theoretically is possible now that the WP7 is jailbraked.... it just has to be installed as a partition on the drive, as we can no longer run it from within WP7 and get all its features running. This is because WP7 will not let you stop processes that belong to other apps like phone or the UI so android can be booted like we do on WM (correct me if I'm wrong.....I don't think I am). Also the encoding of wp7 storage is tricky and partitioning it is hard....ask the guys trying to install WP7 on the HD2.....I'm pretty sure that we will see it done very soon as it only needs a loader program in the beginning of the phone to choose your operating system...like we see when we have Linux and windows on our PC.
As for the other part of this is the drivers that are not developed in droid for the focus.....maybe the captivate looks like the same phone but inside can be a hole new ball game. We have a led flash on our cameras which something tells me the camera is not the same. The captivate have a hummingbird processor as the focus has a snapdragon (but i don't think this would be a problem as a lot of other DROIDs have snapdragon). Samsung maybe just "semi-cloned" the look of the device because the captivate is one of the most selling phones they got. The internals can be completely different

Hi All
I was hoping someone might know if there has been any development on the Samsung Focus as far as getting Android on to it and getting WP7 off?
I've got the option of taking a Captivate but I really like the SnapDragons and I prefer the outer case of the Focus.
Anyone heard anything more about Android on the Focus recently?

Anyone know? I'm going to give this phone back today if not as I have searched and searched and can't find anything on it :-(

Latz said:
I've got the option of taking a Captivate but I really like the SnapDragons and I prefer the outer case of the Focus.
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Why? Hummingbird is faster than SnapDragon in many ways (the only reason Focus does not use Hummingbird is because WP7 only support SnapDragon chip at this time). If you want Android, get Captivate or other Android phones. There is no sense to spend money to buy a WP7 phone and hack it that way. Although Android is open source, phone hardware drivers are not. Devs can only working on getting ROMs assembled using phones with similar hardware. But Samsung never has any Snapdragon android phone before.

LOL how would you go about partitioning off the memory? With the way WP7 integrate external memory with the internal memory? Thus there would be no storage because you can't even see anything stored on the SD. Androids also run on a 4 button system, WP7's have only 3. Some of the hardware isn't the same, and even every galaxy class phone has diffrent hardware. Go buy and android phone or an HD2 if you hell bent on running 2 OS. Also if you would've read the WP7 development forum as to why not to ask this question you'd know why they are not doing it.

Here's your answer
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=949042

foxbat121 said:
There is no sense to spend money to buy a WP7 phone and hack it that way.
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There's plenty of sense if you prefer the look of the phone over the android equivalent? Besides, a lot of us (including me) bought the HTC HD2 as a WinMo then changed it to run Android when we could have just bought Android phones?
foxbat121 said:
.......Devs can only working on getting ROMs assembled using phones with similar hardware.........
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They managed to get Android working on the HD2 which has a Snapdragon?

ITDRAGON said:
LOL how would you go about partitioning off the memory? With the way WP7 integrate external memory with the internal memory? Thus there would be no storage because you can't even see anything stored on the SD. Androids also run on a 4 button system, WP7's have only 3. Some of the hardware isn't the same, and even every galaxy class phone has diffrent hardware. Go buy and android phone or an HD2 if you hell bent on running 2 OS. Also if you would've read the WP7 development forum as to why not to ask this question you'd know why they are not doing it.
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I'm sorry I must be missing something? all the link says is to read the stickies, would you mind pointing me to the forum that they are referring to? I have searched but mustn't be typing in the correct string...
Oh, on the point of WP7's memory allocation - I think you need to read up on it a bit more too as there is a way you can seperate the SD.
Got a captivate yesterday anyway... not sure if I'll keep it though, might move to the Desire HD - it's much more like my HD2 which I really liked.

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They managed to get Android working on the HD2 which has a Snapdragon?
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Because the HD2 Android counter part, EVO, is a Snapdragon phone. I said Samsung does not have a Snapdragon Android phone out there. It is very difficult to use ROM parts from other manufacturers.
Remember Devs are mostly called Chefs. They mix and pick different parts and assemble them into ROMs. They are not developing them like from source code to ROMs. They can only work on the parts that are offered by phone makers, not from scratch.

Thread Closed! Hardware may be very similar but the architecture is very different. Would be too much of a time consuming job regardless for the moment. This question has also been asked many times. Please search the Windows Phone 7 related forums before posting. Thanks.

[Debate] NAND Android on HD2: Pros and Cons

I have to say, I really don't see what all the hoopla is about.
What does NAND give us that we don't get already?
With SD-based roms, we can change, update, switch, multiboot, and mess around with everything we want without danger to our device. If anything goes wrong, just reboot and be done with it.
With NAND, we run the risk of completely destroying our device (I have been assured that's not the case), not to mention the hassle of updating and changing roms which in itself is a process that can brick the device - (again, I was assured this can not happen).
And with RAM builds, speed and boot isn't an issue anymore.
So what exactly is the big deal?
Please feel free to prove me wrong and provide some 'pros'/'yays' for NAND Android on HD2. The more we know.....
edit: In the meantime, I couldn't resist the temptation and tried out NAND. I take back everything I say, except the 'hassle' part. It's still a lot easier to change around and configure builds with SD based builds.

I don't have my HD2 yet, so it's kinda stupid to comment, but from what I heard RAM builds are not great for gaming.

I too am curious about this. I was about to flash the NAND Desire HD rom, but then thought about how rarely I need to reset my device (and thus wait for the boot-up, which isn't very long to begin with). The rom I'm using is JDMS 1.6.2, and, while I'd really like a RAM version, the thing runs really fast. And yeah, why not keep WM around, just in case it has something worthwhile to boot up with (doubtful... but one never knows). It is nice to just throw on another build and test it out, remove it if I don't like it.
Maybe someone has a good reason to flash the NAND roms... I guess, if JDMS came as one, I'd really like that.
I do, however, appreciate all the work the developers have put into this!

try it man! you will be amazed! Nand version blow every other build! stable fast !

can't give an unbiased view since ive no intention of trying a nand build/ rom.
main reasons:
i still like the option of having 2 OS's (if that's a word?), tho i haven't used winmo for some time i still want the option.
like being able to switch SD builds quickly
like being able to choose what size data img and not have to think about running out of space.
got to say tho... think it's a hugely impressive achievement what DFT have done.
interesting post, i was also thinking whats all the fuss about, but i know for some winmo is dead & buried.

projektk said:
try it man! you will be amazed! Nand version blow every other build! stable fast !
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You'll see the difference.

NAND is amazing, i used to get serious lag when apps are installing/uninstalling.....it took care of that and market download speeds are flying
of course boot time is only seconds. i have tried sd and i have tried NAND.
NAND is better

I flashed nand because I wanted to get rid of WM. Booting Android form the sd card made everything feel unoffical and I hated it. It's strange I know. But Why not flash Android?
Windows mobile is Lame, boring and laggy at most no matter what, specially with the weather in the background, not to mention the lame/limited UN-icandy cheezy app store. Android is pure Icandy with tons and tons of apps/tools with stability and profromance.
What can Windows Mobile do that Android can't?
I would choose WP7 over WM 6.5 and Android over all.
Android Dominates.

Battery Life is also awesome, and download speeds are actually very fast. It's like having an actual Android phone.

also i must say i am disappointed to see a thread like this, on such a day in hd2 history. after dft and the devs have put in 3 plus month of work! this is not the type of threads that should be started....SMH

dapoharoun said:
also i must say i am disappointed to see a thread like this, on such a day in hd2 history. after dft and the devs have put in 3 plus month of work! this is not the type of threads that should be started....SMH
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Well, I agree that it's an amazing feat, but I don't think it's wrong to have the question posed anyway. Wasn't it DFT that got android working on the HD2 in the first place? So we're not really downplaying all their hard work, just wondering what's better about it.
There's just something cool about being able to tell someone, "Well, I can boot into WM, android, and linux... can your phone do that?" Our phones would seemingly be less unique. Well, whatever, I only use android anyway, so I should just take the plunge.
EDIT: Sorry, I realize that there are a lot of other developers that have gone into making android work. I just can't think of specifics

Pro:
- It's fast and stable. Little perks like slow market download speeds and slow wake-up time right after locking have been solved (although some SD builds had these fixed recently too)
- SD cards are now swappable and mountable (without corruption). I like this since I had a 2GB card laying around which I'd use just to store CoPilot maps on. With Android on SD, that wasn't possible.
- Uniformity across all devices (well, almost). No more different setups for everyone, which didn't exactly easen the process of debugging and smoothing things up. Also no more problems due to SD cards.
- Battery life? Haven't really checked this myself yet.
Cons:
- Not having WinMo. Nothing I care about, I tried WinMO for about 2 days, didn't like it (as I expected) and immediately switched to Android.
- A bit harder to switch builds, but still nothing too hard or time staking. Future easier solutions may appear too.
Overall, I'm very happy with this development. It doesn't bring any shocking innovations in se, but lays the (necessary) path for an even more complete HD2 android experience.

I have installed it and believe me I am really glad I got rid of WM! It's flying and not a single glitch or error so far, I will never go back to WM! And I never had SD android b4 so I can say installation was a breeze. Cheers and grats DFT!
Sent from my HD2 NAND droid via XDA App

Yup I'm happy to hear DFT have released Nand but I still stick to RAM build as I can still switch to WinMo & Ubuntu build. It's amazing how things really work with our mighty HD2.
Nothing wrong about Nand build at least HD2 users can choose to use Nand or SD/RAM build.

can you get 2mah from running android on sd card? i dont think so..

Personally I think I'll be keeping android on my SD card for now, because I have peace of mind knowing that I can run WM6.5 (god forbid) if my android build messes up (which I have to say is getting rare, so I might consider NAND in the not-too-distant future)
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

The pros for me are that NAND is faster for me in all three builds for their categories, and battery consumption is low.
The cons however, if you're like me and install a good amount of apps say 20 or so, 100mb or so isn't really going to cut it. And for some reason i can't get superuser working, i keep trying to update it but it says it's up to date already, which it clearly is not, and it keeps force closing itself with every app it is required for.

i like the nand personally and i think it very innovative and if u read carefully and take ur time to understand u cant go wrong with the installation i am trying it right now it great and if i need to take my phone back just flash the orginal wm rom got to luv it for those who want to keep dual boot i respect that but u should give nand a shot

I saw it before but am apperantly oblivious to it now; can someone link me to NAND installation instructions? Would be grateful.
I currently have absolutely no liking of WM, so IMO dropping it has been needed for awhile now. The only benefit I've seen is netflix (lol?) and even that should be up for grabs off the android market soon enough. I want speed and battery, and from the sound of it, NAND is taking care of business.

@Truaim - regarding link to NAND install intructions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948

[Q] Need help with finding the right (combination of) OS(s)

Hi guys,
I appreciate most of the things I'm going to ask have some explanation somewhere already on the forum, but I'm not entirely confident I know my way around well enough to get to where i want with my HD2.
So first off, I have a UK HD2, with HSPL2 and a couple month old WM energy rom flashed. I am running Android Froyo from my SD card, and i find myself using it most of the time. Because of this it seems sensible to get Android on my NAND and stop using WM. However I'm having some problems with my phone and I'm not sure if some may be caused by android.
Firstly the battery is lasting less than a day on a full charge without using any power craving features like wifi, gps or even a constant data connection. My phone is less than a year old, so hopefully HTC will issue me with a replacement [PENDING].
Secondly, when I do want to use the data connection I find I rarely get one where I normally would on WM.
Finally, I regularly get process terminated messages while running android from boot until the inevitable low-battery shutdown. (fairly sure this is purely android)
So, bearing this in mind, I would like to have a newer (preferably Gingerbread) build of android running from my NAND, presumably requiring MAGLDR. Would this APN settings thing, and 'rooting' I've read about recently help with these problems? Also I can't find anything about gingerbread with sense and assume this is because there have been no HTC gingerbread devices yet; is this the case? If so would you recommend Froyo with sense or gingerbread without? (personally I'm not keen on the curved sense home menu at the bottom, but i like the other features of sense)
A final thing to further complicate the situation is that I'd REALLY like to have a play with WP7, and last i read it had been ported and was running without LIVE services (making it practically useless), but then not too long ago a hack to make it pretend to be a HD7 was made allowing this. Is this a proper solution which makes the whole phone like a WP7 device (with the few performance niggles here and there) or is it like a demo or a shell of a phone which isn't really usable? The 'average user' review on the front page was posted before this LIVE hack, so i'm not sure it takes it into account.
So in summary, if I could get some guidance with the best choices in having Android NAND (and possibly WP7 on dual boot) covering what preparation and fixes I will need to apply it would be much appreciated. Possibly a list of tutorials I should follow in order, or even something more customised to my situation. Alternatively, if there is a guide covering all this I haven't found, that would be great!

As far as getting NAND working correctly check out this tutorial
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948
And dual booting wp7 and android
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913815
However if you dual boot wp7 would be the main os and you'll still be booting android from sd and as far as fixes and tweaks most of the time it depends which build your using I find that most of the time what works doesn't always work for others

Nintynuts said:
Hi guys,
I appreciate most of the things I'm going to ask have some explanation somewhere already on the forum, but I'm not entirely confident I know my way around well enough to get to where i want with my HD2.
So first off, I have a UK HD2, with HSPL2 and a couple month old WM energy rom flashed. I am running Android Froyo from my SD card, and i find myself using it most of the time. Because of this it seems sensible to get Android on my NAND and stop using WM. However I'm having some problems with my phone and I'm not sure if some may be caused by android.
Firstly the battery is lasting less than a day on a full charge without using any power craving features like wifi, gps or even a constant data connection. My phone is less than a year old, so hopefully HTC will issue me with a replacement [PENDING].
Secondly, when I do want to use the data connection I find I rarely get one where I normally would on WM.
Finally, I regularly get process terminated messages while running android from boot until the inevitable low-battery shutdown. (fairly sure this is purely android)
So, bearing this in mind, I would like to have a newer (preferably Gingerbread) build of android running from my NAND, presumably requiring MAGLDR. Would this APN settings thing, and 'rooting' I've read about recently help with these problems? Also I can't find anything about gingerbread with sense and assume this is because there have been no HTC gingerbread devices yet; is this the case? If so would you recommend Froyo with sense or gingerbread without? (personally I'm not keen on the curved sense home menu at the bottom, but i like the other features of sense)
A final thing to further complicate the situation is that I'd REALLY like to have a play with WP7, and last i read it had been ported and was running without LIVE services (making it practically useless), but then not too long ago a hack to make it pretend to be a HD7 was made allowing this. Is this a proper solution which makes the whole phone like a WP7 device (with the few performance niggles here and there) or is it like a demo or a shell of a phone which isn't really usable? The 'average user' review on the front page was posted before this LIVE hack, so i'm not sure it takes it into account.
So in summary, if I could get some guidance with the best choices in having Android NAND (and possibly WP7 on dual boot) covering what preparation and fixes I will need to apply it would be much appreciated. Possibly a list of tutorials I should follow in order, or even something more customised to my situation. Alternatively, if there is a guide covering all this I haven't found, that would be great!
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The battery issue is definitely an Android issue and I would recommend using a Froyo based Android build, which also has less problems with data connections. Unfortunately to say is that you might expect some problems using either Android or WP7 on the HD2, because it's still a WnMO device, although it can handle other OS's as well.
regards, Kuzibri

@SpiderVenom
Thanks for the links
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if you dual boot wp7 would be the main os and you'll still be booting android from sd
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I got the impression this may be the case, which emphasizes my question, is Windows Phone 7 on HD2 good enough to be usable, is it worth it?
@Kuzibri
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The battery issue is definitely an Android issue and I would recommend using a Froyo based Android build, which also has less problems with data connections.
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Well I'm using Froyo now, and I have all these problems, and I think the battery problem currently exists on both WM and android, so I'm relatively convinced it's the battery.

Nintynuts said:
@SpiderVenom
Thanks for the links
I got the impression this may be the case, which emphasizes my question, is Windows Phone 7 on HD2 good enough to be usable, is it worth it?
@Kuzibri
Well I'm using Froyo now, and I have all these problems, and I think the battery problem currently exists on both WM and android, so I'm relatively convinced it's the battery.
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Well, I'm not really convinced that it's your battery. Check your SD Card and my advice would be: shut down device - remove SD Card - insert in to PC - backup you data to PC - do a slow format with PC - after formatting with PC, reinsert SD Card in device and power up - format SD Card with the device's SD formatting tool (windows - tools - SD Formatting tool). Power off device, remove SD Card and insert into PC and restore your data. Reinsert after that your SD Card in to device and power up again and see what your battery does. Should be much better.
regards, Kuzibri

OK, thanks, I will try it and get back to you, but this isn't the main point of my question, and I don't want the subject veering off on a tangent

Personally I don't think wp7 is worth it right now. The devs are doing great work on it but as of right now as a main OS I think because of the limitations and all the hoops and hurdles you have to go through for it. I'm sticking with NAND personally.
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Nintynuts said:
OK, thanks, I will try it and get back to you, but this isn't the main point of my question, and I don't want the subject veering off on a tangent
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you're right about that, but this can solve most of your battery problems.
Regarding WP7 on HD2: see reaction of SpiderVenom
Regarding Android on the HD2: well the NAND version is much better than the SD card one, but it's and will be a personal choice.
i personaly stick to WinMo 6.5.5 with Artemis ROM on it.
regards, Kuzibri

kuzibri said:
you're right about that, but this can solve most of your battery problems.
Regarding WP7 on HD2: see reaction of SpiderVenom
Regarding Android on the HD2: well the NAND version is much better than the SD card one, but it's and will be a personal choice.
i personaly stick to WinMo 6.5.5 with Artemis ROM on it.
regards, Kuzibri
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wp7 on hd2 is as useful as it is on any native wp7 device...actually, even better than any native device, because you can dual boot with a good android build off sd card...i would suggest you first try the sd card gingerbread ram version from mdj and superram froyo from darkstone..to checkout the differences. i personally use mdj desire hd 4.6 on sd card (it cannot be replaced by any non-sense build..tried them all, but had to come back to it)and wp7 on nand...
as for the battery, try the sd card format as described above.
also..try this....confirmed to work...but no one knows why it works.. charge your phone for 8 hrs (even though it says 100%)...then switch off phone...charge for 1hr..then switch on and charge for 1hr..........you will see a gross difference in battery

SpiderVenom said:
Personally I don't think wp7 is worth it right now. The devs are doing great work on it but as of right now as a main OS I think because of the limitations and all the hoops and hurdles you have to go through for it. I'm sticking with NAND personally.
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I agree completely with SpiderVenom.
Right now, you do have some hoop jumping to go through in order to get wp7 working correctly.
I'm also using MDJ's NAND Gingerbread install with zero issues and excellent battery life. It's also nice that all of the purchased android apps are usable on both of my android devices. (I have an Archos 5IT.)

Thanks for all your comments, I'm getting the impression (from SpideVenom and apallohadas) that getting WP7 going is troublesome, I would be interested to hear from people who have already jumped the necessary hoops (pakure?) to see if they think it's worth the effort. I don't mind jumping hoops as long as I only have to do it once (when I install).
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try the sd card gingerbread ram version from MDJ and superram froyo from darkstone
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I assume these are 'RAM' builds, and I guess they're somehow better than plain SD versions? Still not sure about the whole Gingerbread w/o Sense vs Froyo with Sense situation. Do others agree with these suggestions?
pakure said:
also..try this....
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Thanks, I'll try that too

Nintynuts said:
Thanks for all your comments, I'm getting the impression (from SpideVenom and apallohadas) that getting WP7 going is troublesome, I would be interested to hear from people who have already jumped the necessary hoops (pakure?) to see if they think it's worth the effort. I don't mind jumping hoops as long as I only have to do it once (when I install).
I assume these are 'RAM' builds, and I guess they're somehow better than plain SD versions? Still not sure about the whole Gingerbread w/o Sense vs Froyo with Sense situation. Do others agree with these suggestions?
Thanks, I'll try that too
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the ram versions are faster even than nand android
well, you wont get to know, unless you try wp7 for yourself..anyway, you can always fall back to wm6.5/android..its all one flash away.

I have been trying a NAND gingerbread build and it's running a lot better than froyo was off my SD, and the battery drain is reduced too.
However I'm finding android without sense intolerable. So I think I need to switch back to a froyo build (unless anyone knows of a Gingerbread build with sense).
I was wondering what's the best way of switching; Is there any way of keeping applications in tact? If not, is it possible to backup my existing NAND contents to SD card so I can flash it back if need be?
Also, is Android RAM ACTUALLY better/faster than NAND, and would it be worth having a WP7 NAND and Android from SD on RAM?
Finally, can anyone recommend a Froyo Sense RAM build? I find it very difficult to filter through the forum threads picking out the one that's right for me. I found a site which gives VERY brief overviews of the current builds, but it doesn't cover stuff like what's not working etc and not all the associated forum threads do.

isnt it a matter of personal choice...what may suit me the best may not be good for others...so its just keep trying till u figure which one is the best for yourself