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[Q] Android instead of WM

Please don't scream on me i'm new here and i "google it" before but i did't find a normal answer!
So it is possible to have only android on hd2? without WM just one OS? how i see is most likely NO but WHY or it's gonna be possible soon or nobody work in this way? cause is pretty hard i guess for my hd2 to stay on 2 OS....
for me i guess it's easier to take the rom from EVO and flash to HD2 cause the only difference is GSM/CDMA+4G the rest it's pretty much the same.... So if anybody have an answer probably not just for ME please post!

No. You cannot flash Android to the internal NAND memory of the HD2. As of now there is NO WAY to do this. It IS being worked on, but no solution has been presented.
The only way to currently run Android is by booting it off of an SD card from within WinMo.
The WHY about it is because the bootloader of the HD2 is a relatively new one from HTC, and has not been fully circumvented yet.
And as far as the EVO being "pretty much the same", I assure you, it's an entirely different device. Very few components are actually the same, and its not just a process of using the build of Android from the EVO and putting it on the HD2, drivers for basically everything inside the HD2 have had to be written or borowed from other devices.
In short, Android on HD2 NAND instead of WinMo=NO.

Finally i have an very enough answer!!!! and probably it's gonna be fine to add this to a FAQ or somehing like that!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!!

[Q] Are the devs waiting until everything is perfect befor ethey release NAND

This post is targetted at a developer working on MAGLDR and the NAND port.
Is everything going to be functioning on the NAND release when it is ready (no TS freezes, PPP perfectly stable, GPS, camera, etc)?
I ask because at this point I'm not sure if I would flash the current haret loaded ROMs because they aren't quite as reliable as I would like and I like being able to fall back in WinMo if I need to.

there are issues with Nand, yes. There are likely to be issues with it once it is released too (there's almost absolutely no way they will get it working for everyone, in the same way the current builders cannot get it working for everyone with the SD builds). There are simply too many variables that could affect performance or create problems. This is not to say that the dev's are not working extremely hard to iron out as much as possible before release, I'm sure they're doing everything they can.
Also, you mention you like being able to fall back to WinMo? Once you've gone Nand, WinMo will be removed completely from your phone. So you've contradicted yourself.
PS: I haven't used WinMo on my phone in over three months lol, so for me the SD card builds are awesome and beats my gf's desire for performance hands down.

You can multiboot wm6.5 / Android with magldr.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA

Reno_79 said:
Also, you mention you like being able to fall back to WinMo? Once you've gone Nand, WinMo will be removed completely from your phone. So you've contradicted yourself.
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I said I don't think that I will flash right now because then I would not be able to fall back on WinMo

[Debate] NAND Android on HD2: Pros and Cons

I have to say, I really don't see what all the hoopla is about.
What does NAND give us that we don't get already?
With SD-based roms, we can change, update, switch, multiboot, and mess around with everything we want without danger to our device. If anything goes wrong, just reboot and be done with it.
With NAND, we run the risk of completely destroying our device (I have been assured that's not the case), not to mention the hassle of updating and changing roms which in itself is a process that can brick the device - (again, I was assured this can not happen).
And with RAM builds, speed and boot isn't an issue anymore.
So what exactly is the big deal?
Please feel free to prove me wrong and provide some 'pros'/'yays' for NAND Android on HD2. The more we know.....
edit: In the meantime, I couldn't resist the temptation and tried out NAND. I take back everything I say, except the 'hassle' part. It's still a lot easier to change around and configure builds with SD based builds.

I don't have my HD2 yet, so it's kinda stupid to comment, but from what I heard RAM builds are not great for gaming.

I too am curious about this. I was about to flash the NAND Desire HD rom, but then thought about how rarely I need to reset my device (and thus wait for the boot-up, which isn't very long to begin with). The rom I'm using is JDMS 1.6.2, and, while I'd really like a RAM version, the thing runs really fast. And yeah, why not keep WM around, just in case it has something worthwhile to boot up with (doubtful... but one never knows). It is nice to just throw on another build and test it out, remove it if I don't like it.
Maybe someone has a good reason to flash the NAND roms... I guess, if JDMS came as one, I'd really like that.
I do, however, appreciate all the work the developers have put into this!

try it man! you will be amazed! Nand version blow every other build! stable fast !

can't give an unbiased view since ive no intention of trying a nand build/ rom.
main reasons:
i still like the option of having 2 OS's (if that's a word?), tho i haven't used winmo for some time i still want the option.
like being able to switch SD builds quickly
like being able to choose what size data img and not have to think about running out of space.
got to say tho... think it's a hugely impressive achievement what DFT have done.
interesting post, i was also thinking whats all the fuss about, but i know for some winmo is dead & buried.

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try it man! you will be amazed! Nand version blow every other build! stable fast !
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You'll see the difference.

NAND is amazing, i used to get serious lag when apps are installing/uninstalling.....it took care of that and market download speeds are flying
of course boot time is only seconds. i have tried sd and i have tried NAND.
NAND is better

I flashed nand because I wanted to get rid of WM. Booting Android form the sd card made everything feel unoffical and I hated it. It's strange I know. But Why not flash Android?
Windows mobile is Lame, boring and laggy at most no matter what, specially with the weather in the background, not to mention the lame/limited UN-icandy cheezy app store. Android is pure Icandy with tons and tons of apps/tools with stability and profromance.
What can Windows Mobile do that Android can't?
I would choose WP7 over WM 6.5 and Android over all.
Android Dominates.

Battery Life is also awesome, and download speeds are actually very fast. It's like having an actual Android phone.

also i must say i am disappointed to see a thread like this, on such a day in hd2 history. after dft and the devs have put in 3 plus month of work! this is not the type of threads that should be started....SMH

dapoharoun said:
also i must say i am disappointed to see a thread like this, on such a day in hd2 history. after dft and the devs have put in 3 plus month of work! this is not the type of threads that should be started....SMH
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Well, I agree that it's an amazing feat, but I don't think it's wrong to have the question posed anyway. Wasn't it DFT that got android working on the HD2 in the first place? So we're not really downplaying all their hard work, just wondering what's better about it.
There's just something cool about being able to tell someone, "Well, I can boot into WM, android, and linux... can your phone do that?" Our phones would seemingly be less unique. Well, whatever, I only use android anyway, so I should just take the plunge.
EDIT: Sorry, I realize that there are a lot of other developers that have gone into making android work. I just can't think of specifics

Pro:
- It's fast and stable. Little perks like slow market download speeds and slow wake-up time right after locking have been solved (although some SD builds had these fixed recently too)
- SD cards are now swappable and mountable (without corruption). I like this since I had a 2GB card laying around which I'd use just to store CoPilot maps on. With Android on SD, that wasn't possible.
- Uniformity across all devices (well, almost). No more different setups for everyone, which didn't exactly easen the process of debugging and smoothing things up. Also no more problems due to SD cards.
- Battery life? Haven't really checked this myself yet.
Cons:
- Not having WinMo. Nothing I care about, I tried WinMO for about 2 days, didn't like it (as I expected) and immediately switched to Android.
- A bit harder to switch builds, but still nothing too hard or time staking. Future easier solutions may appear too.
Overall, I'm very happy with this development. It doesn't bring any shocking innovations in se, but lays the (necessary) path for an even more complete HD2 android experience.

I have installed it and believe me I am really glad I got rid of WM! It's flying and not a single glitch or error so far, I will never go back to WM! And I never had SD android b4 so I can say installation was a breeze. Cheers and grats DFT!
Sent from my HD2 NAND droid via XDA App

Yup I'm happy to hear DFT have released Nand but I still stick to RAM build as I can still switch to WinMo & Ubuntu build. It's amazing how things really work with our mighty HD2.
Nothing wrong about Nand build at least HD2 users can choose to use Nand or SD/RAM build.

can you get 2mah from running android on sd card? i dont think so..

Personally I think I'll be keeping android on my SD card for now, because I have peace of mind knowing that I can run WM6.5 (god forbid) if my android build messes up (which I have to say is getting rare, so I might consider NAND in the not-too-distant future)
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

The pros for me are that NAND is faster for me in all three builds for their categories, and battery consumption is low.
The cons however, if you're like me and install a good amount of apps say 20 or so, 100mb or so isn't really going to cut it. And for some reason i can't get superuser working, i keep trying to update it but it says it's up to date already, which it clearly is not, and it keeps force closing itself with every app it is required for.

i like the nand personally and i think it very innovative and if u read carefully and take ur time to understand u cant go wrong with the installation i am trying it right now it great and if i need to take my phone back just flash the orginal wm rom got to luv it for those who want to keep dual boot i respect that but u should give nand a shot

I saw it before but am apperantly oblivious to it now; can someone link me to NAND installation instructions? Would be grateful.
I currently have absolutely no liking of WM, so IMO dropping it has been needed for awhile now. The only benefit I've seen is netflix (lol?) and even that should be up for grabs off the android market soon enough. I want speed and battery, and from the sound of it, NAND is taking care of business.

@Truaim - regarding link to NAND install intructions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948

does MAGLDR gave us what we expected?

now it is one week since magldr was released, thanks to DFT.
it was like the end of the year gift to us, we were very happy (and we still happy) because it really bring our HD2 to life again, one day before the release of MAGLDR i was thinking of replacing it with Desire because and that because SD/RAM builds was not stable and even if it is stable it will not last more than one month before start giving FCs etc...
i opened this thread (i hope it is in the correct section, and if it is not i am sorry about that MODs will move it) to share our opinions about nand roms, is it stable as we were expect, are you happy with it or not, if no please let us know why.
for me i am very happy with it till now, it is stable, fast and reliable, and we dont need to boot into 2 os every time we are restarting the phone, and i think HD2 Became an android phone.

I think it's incredible what DFT were able to accomplish. After NAND hit, I sent Cotulla a donation, and have been trying to figure out who else to donate to for their hard work.
As far as NAND, I haven't noticed a major difference in the quality of the builds (SD vs NAND). I think it's probably there, but I'm not technically knowledgeable to notice the difference. I hear some people say the battery life is better, but I still end up plugging my phone in every night to recharge it anyway. The one nice thing the SD builds had was that it was very simple to compare builds in case there were problems with one. I could have one build stored away in a folder called 'Android2' while I dinked around with another build to test things out. It's not a huge deal (and I could probably get Titanium Restore... er, whatever it's called, backup?), but it was simpler to just move around folders.
Anyway, WM sucked so bad, I'm very much happy to rid my phone of it. I'm thankful to all of the developers who made my phone MUCH better than it originally came as (this includes WM ROM developers obviously).
Oh... and I think this thread should've gone into the 'HD2 Android General Discussion' section.

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Oh... and I think this thread should've gone into the 'HD2 Android General Discussion' section.
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+1 for that.....
Guess MODS have to do some extra work

moved

Very much agree. For 1, wrong forum. This is development not 'how do you like this new feature'. More, 'how do we make this new feature work'.
Anyway, I love the NAND, and you are right, the SD was alot more convient to test and use new builds. Copy the folder and launch. Cant get easier than that indefinitly.
Although, the SDcard is not made to be read/written that many times. The SDcard itself, AND the SD reader in the phone were not made to be used that much.
The hardware im sure has got ALOT better since the G1 days, but this is exactly how my G1 died. Back in the day we used the SD to swap files, and used the ext3/4 to give the G1 a boost. Needless to say, the phone wouldnt read ANY sd card after like 8 months I think it was. Thats when I had to get a new phone because we had it so you needed the SDcard to flash a new build and w.out it, the phone could never be updated.
So my opinion? The phones come with NAND for a reason. Lets use it . Use MyBackup or Titanium and youll be okay. The flash doesnt take too long, AND its just like a REGULAR ANDROID .
THANKS DEVELOPERS! You saved me $500 and my SDcard slot.

Well, well, well. Happy to leave my comment here 'bout NAND.. This is Dream come true and the best that ever happened to my lovely HD2. With NAND, my HD2 has been on daily use without any single fault or malfunction. It works very well and the battery life is very very very GOOD. I really don't know how to start thankin' DFT and all those who put their efforts, ideas, time, compromise and and and.. THANKSSSSSSSSS. I'm done with testing NAND and now up toooooooo Donate. They deserve it.

I have not noticed any difference with nand, all the same issues still exist, but now its more inconvenient to change builds, mod system files, change kernels, etc.. Battery life is no different compared to SD. Boot time is not shorter compared to dual boot with EBL. From a developing stand point magldr is a milestone, but from a usability/practical point, its underwhelming. I think RAM smokes nand by far and wish more development is put towards RAM. I'm anxiously waiting for DS's nand+ram.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

raysacr said:
I have not noticed any difference with nand, all the same issues still exist, but now its more inconvenient to change builds, mod system files, change kernels, etc.. Battery life is no different compared to SD. Boot time is not shorter compared to dual boot with EBL. From a developing stand point magldr is a milestone, but from a usability/practical point, its underwhelming. I think RAM smokes nand by far and wish more development is put towards RAM. I'm anxiously waiting for DS's nand+ram.
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Just nit picking a little, but there will never be a "nand + ram" as you say. The ram build loads the build into ram memory, thereby making it analogous to the rom memory. In nand, the build uses ram in much the same way your normal computer does. Therefore, even if it was possible to do a nand/ram build (anything is possible for darkstone, really), I don't see the benefit because you would have less ram to work with, and rom read/write speed is actually slower than many sd card read/write speeds.
Back to topic! Only time will tell, but i think the best thing about nand is, as another user pointed out earlier, data stability. So tired of having to reload apps after a week or two because the build craps out on me.
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not a dream come true for me, but i am happy to be able to be able to copy files through the usb cable without having to reboot afterwards.

no,
it wasn't what i expected, i tought it would delete hspl.
but it didn't, it's even better like this.
it's amazingly stable.
i'm statified, expect that my data wasn't working yesterday[ppp]
hopefully that won't come along.
but if i have to restart it every night to fix it i'm fine

Im loving MAGLDR and what it has brung to the table but there iw one disappointment in that as far as I can remember it was said by cotulla or somebody else that we would have option of keeping WinMO on NAND and booting Android from SD via MAGLDR instead of via WM.
I kind of liked the idea of having that additional option also.
But its no big loss really and im just happy to have the ability to boot directly into android

TheATHEiST said:
Im loving MAGLDR and what it has brung to the table but there iw one disappointment in that as far as I can remember it was said by cotulla or somebody else that we would have option of keeping WinMO on NAND and booting Android from SD via MAGLDR instead of via WM.
I kind of liked the idea of having that additional option also.
But its no big loss really and im just happy to have the ability to boot directly into android
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That was my biggest disappointment about it, too. But it lists booting wm65 under future developments, so hopefully soon it will have that capability. I'm happy that he released the nand Android part of it for the community.
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My phone has never run this good. Nand is absolutely amazing.
My phone stays unplugged longer and runs better. What isn't to like?
Currently unplugged 13 hours and still at 50% sd builds never came close to that.
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about the only problem with magldr is the usb charging bug (big problem!)
and difficulty with clockwork recovery
hoping both are fixed soon
wm7 seems already future supported and WM 6.5 can rot in hell
magldr made me buy the hd2

I'm satisfied with NAND. SD versions were a ton of fun to test and switch, which I did like crazy....however I've found a NAND flavor that is deathly fast, stable on which everything works (TMOUS) and battery life is better than average.

can i just ask - what would be the point of MAGLDR having a WM 6.5 boot feature if a 6.5 rom boots just fine without magldr? its not like WM will run from SD card..... ?
it would be a pain for WM chefs (me included) to re-tool and create MAGLDR compatible ROMS when our current methods work just fine. Remember, MAGLDR is just a flash away at any rate.....

Yes !!! I got my expectings pleased with nand and all the things are working on mdeejays HD Revolution,and battery is so good-i might say-better than with winmo on it...
Thanx to DFT for MAGLDR and mdeejay for all the goodies with his roms

g.lewarne said:
can i just ask - what would be the point of MAGLDR having a WM 6.5 boot feature if a 6.5 rom boots just fine without magldr? its not like WM will run from SD card..... ?
it would be a pain for WM chefs (me included) to re-tool and create MAGLDR compatible ROMS when our current methods work just fine. Remember, MAGLDR is just a flash away at any rate.....
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Because with magldr, you can have it boot directly into Android on your SD card without having to go into winmo first.
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In my opnion yes..

VERY satisfied with NAND. No more wake up lag or during call black screen, which was pretty much the trouble I was having with SD and RAM builds.
Thx DFT!

[Q] Multiboot WM6.5, WM7 and Android?

I'm a newbie at flashing HD2. I'd like to use both Android and WM7 before maybe choosing one of both. But I have several apps like a gps tool that work only on WM6.5. Therefore i'd like to keep WM6.5 also. Is there a way to multiboot these phone OSes? I have seen another one posting this question in January but no one has answered so far.
Also I didn't understand the required steps to set up either 6.5 or 7 as main os and dual boot (just in case multiboot is not necessary) and Android.
Can somebody synthetise the steps please? What do I need?
I know this is probably redundent with things already written but I didn't full understand what has to be done.
Thanks for any help,
Who

this is not yet possible as windows phone 7 and windows mobile both only work off nand and you cannot have to os on the nand memory

Ok...
Not cool. I have co-pilot live GPS system on 6.5 and some other stuff I bought. Is it worth it to change to WM7? How about synchronizing with outlook, active sync is replaced with zune. Is it ok?

who_am_i117 said:
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Not cool. I have co-pilot live GPS system on 6.5 and some other stuff I bought. Is it worth it to change to WM7? How about synchronizing with outlook, active sync is replaced with zune. Is it ok?
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I have to say im torn between the two but only on a couple of points
Wp hands down beats WM in just about everyway you can think of, i sure as hell wouldnt change it now that im used it, getting used to it is the key point there, it is different from WM, it does not pretent to be it, it does not pretend to be anything other than WP.
Outlook syncs fine if you use an exchange server or live service, i have one of each that syncs with my phone and i dont have issues at all.
However i do miss the little things of WM, namely that its a beast of an OS, it'll do almost anything you throw at it, i have some amazing WM programs that i really need so i have my old Touch HD running them now.
I would gladly pay money for someone to get WM running of an SD card, however i believe one of the differences of WM2003 and WM5 was that WM had to have persistant storage, (WM2003 devices used to effectively hardreset when you pulled the battery unless it had the backup battery) Essentially the OS was ran from RAM and this is where i think it might not be possible as WM5 cant be run from RAM, at least to my knowledge

Thanks a lot for your evaluation

For a while I was torn between Android and WP7. Until the very recent updatable Mango release (THANKS YUKI AND XBMOD!) the Android Nand install was a clear winner - no matter how many times I tried WP7, I missed my Gingerbread too much. Now with Mango I am finally throwing in the towel and installing Android on SD, just to end my suffering, hehe. WM6.5 wasn't even in the running, to be honest, I spend the past 8 years with various WM builds and just as many devices from 2003 onwards, still have my HTC Universal with WM6.5, but have no desire to use it at all on my HD2.
Mango is pretty sweet, smooth and visually lovely.

Ok with all this, for now i'll stick with WM6.5. Although WM7 is very attractive I have to much stuff depending on 6.5. Now I'd like to load Android on an SD so that I'll use most of the time Android and when needed, reboot to 6.5. But at the threads for Androids on SD I have difficulties finding the build that works best. Can someone point me to the most reliable threads or the place I can find the required, most stable stuff?
Thanks for all the help already given.

you can use co-pilot on an sd android build http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738128.
WP7+android+co-pilot

VojvodaMomcilo said:
need 10 stupid posts
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you realise there is a point of the ten post thing? partly so new inexperienced users dont post crap in the forums

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you realise there is a point of the ten post thing? partly so new inexperienced users dont post crap in the forums
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With my experience with forums that require a certain number of posts, it often leads to posts worst than crap! Senseless crap! I rather people post stupid questions rather than senseless crap. Just my opinion.
On topic: It'll be groundbreaking if anyone can accomplish getting WP7 and 6.5 booting on the same phone. Their status on XDA would become legendary! Last I heard DFT abandoned that notion. I sure wish they would have more transparency with their projects. Maybe somebody outside their team can give excellent ideas. Why limit yourself?

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How about a ban or two to go with your stupid posts?
I am not sure I would be keen on booting WP7 and WM6.5. Can't say I miss 6.5. Everything I needed I found in Android and navigation seems to be better as well. So even if it was available, I wouldn't bother.

And what Android and WM7 build/thread do you advice?

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Yeah and I need to use the stupid REPORT button, say goodbye to your posts.
who_am_i117 said:
Ok with all this, for now i'll stick with WM6.5. Although WM7 is very attractive
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Dude, there is no such thing as WM7.

Ok my misstake. I meant ofc WP7. Not WM7. But so far no one pointed me to a good stable and recent version of android. Any help here please? I looked at boxmax but that doesn't seem to work that well. Even with patches I still see graphical glitches. I also didn't find an option to either revert from the SD loaded andriod to WM6.5 but neither could I find a 'turn off' button so I could restart the phone in WM6.5. I had to remove the battery.
So thanks again to finding a good working Android for SD

TheATHEiST said:
Yeah and I need to use the stupid REPORT button, say goodbye to your posts.
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Well donealthough I think he/she only posted them so that he/she could thank someone for sending an MS activation code. still no excuse.
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So thanks again to finding a good working Android for SD
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Its in my sig below

I used Yuki's Gingerbread 2.3.4/5 2.8-3.0 Nand, so went with the same for SD install after the latest Mango 7220. I doubt any version that runs off SD will ever compare to Nand. The same Android that was flawless off Nand has proven to be a bit sluggish and somewhat less stable. Still, can't complain really - got the best of both worlds and my torment about what OS to use is no longer.
The only thing that would make it perfect would be non SD locking Mango with a simple menu within OS to alternate between the two.

enigma1nz said:
I used Yuki's Gingerbread 2.3.4/5 2.8-3.0 Nand, so went with the same for SD install after the latest Mango 7220. I doubt any version that runs off SD will ever compare to Nand. The same Android that was flawless off Nand has proven to be a bit sluggish and somewhat less stable. Still, can't complain really - got the best of both worlds and my torment about what OS to use is no longer.
The only thing that would make it perfect would be non SD locking Mango with a simple menu within OS to alternate between the two.
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YUKI's GONE OVER TO ANDROID???
I can't find it anywhere!
Are you sure