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[Q] Simple question - NAND & Android on HD2 - Why we still cannot get working NAND v.

[Q] Simple question - NAND & Android on HD2 - Why we still cannot get working NAND v.
Well, my question is simple :
Why we still dont have NAND version of Android ?
Is it problem with .... drivers or anything else ?
Please tell me what is the problem. Why its so hard to develop working NAND Rom ?

screen orentation sensor makes the screen lag ... and there are still some major bugs

Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.

KrewsialNL said:
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
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I guess the myth is if it's NAND then battery will be better which I really doubt.

Sorry but it's not an answer.
Many people want to have Nand version and it's their choice , but
it could be a good idea to tell us why there is so many problems
to create this kind of rom.
What parts are missing ....
What needs to be compiled ...
What to repaired...
Need some tech informations about this .
Who knows , many people is to busy to try create whole rom , but
there is many of us who knows programming and could Help .
But if someone will tell us what is a biggest problem ...
Linux was creating by many people , so maybe this time we can find solution together ?

Do a search!
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So what if i will use search.
I will get 2,000 posts with small ammount of answers.
Will be easier if any dev will completly with details
answer this question.
It will stop another 2,000 posts to occur .
Many questions - one answer.

It isn't working because only a handful are working on it while the rest whine and think a lame post begging for an eta will motivate the devs. If you want it done pick up a book and start learning about linux coding. It isn't done yet because nobody tries on their own.
Just because the initial development was lightning quick doesn't guarantee it will all tidily come together at the same rate.
Do you remember what appeared on your HD2 when you first turned it on? Windoze f'ing mobile. Be grateful for what you have.

To motivate the coders even a bit more you could create a "Who will be the 1st Android NAND coder" thread where users can donate cash for the price money.
The 1st coder who does so will win the cash.
Me.. I've donated cash already to some of the coders here, and I can wait till we have a stable good working version.

htc-hd2 said:
To motivate the coders even a bit more you could create a "Who will be the 1st Android NAND coder" thread where users can donate cash for the price money.
The 1st coder who does so will win the cash.
Me.. I've donated cash already to some of the coders here, and I can wait till we have a stable good working version.
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You know ... it could be a great idea .
If someone trusted will keep grand prize for this so why not ???
First person that will make a working rom will get a BIG PRIZE ....
might work .
After testing, if we see that it really works ....
I could donate if someone will start something like this.

I don't know how fair it would be to say the first to make an android would get the prize... Most likely it will be a cook making the rom using the work of many developers. It will be the same group of devs that got android working in the first place that will get it working on nand.... Dcordes, cotulla, netripper, etc... Might as well just donate. I'm sure it will be a group effort by them.
Nand is difficult because we will need a lot of new drivers to initialize the hardware... Right now winmo is used to initialize most hardware for android. I don't understand why you think it shouldn't be difficult... Look at other winmo devices that can run android... Only 2 out of a dozen can even boot from nand... And the nand versions are less functional than the versions run from sd card. It takes a LOT more work to get everything working on its own from nand without winmo to initialize hardware. I would expect the same with the first versions of nand booting for the hd2 also.... It will probably be nowhere near as functional as booting from sd until a lot of development is done. Be patient... It could be a long time before we have a nand bootable android that's anywhere as stable and functional as the sd bootable builds we currently have. I also doubt that speed or battery life will be much better with nand, if at all. We have great speed & batteries with our sd versions already... It will be hard to beat that with new nand versions, especially since many drivers for nand will probably have to be made from scratch. But you never know... We have some great devs and I've already been surprised with what they've accomplished.
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I guess you'll have to wait until the day you hire your own Android HD2 developer, then you can have them working on things that -you- want.
seriously, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm actually pondering about creating some sort of donations thread just to fix particular problems.
But, because this is a community driven effort, we are at the mercy of whatever developers/chefs want to have. If you don't like that, you may want to consider becoming a developer/chef yourself..
klopikxda said:
Well, my question is simple :
Why we still dont have NAND version of Android ?
Is it problem with .... drivers or anything else ?
Please tell me what is the problem. Why its so hard to develop working NAND Rom ?
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I'm actually quite happy with my HD2 running off of SD... It's actually faster than WM 6.5! Everything I have tested works including hotspot. Running mccm 1.5 with chuckydroid ROM
And I have the best of both worlds...Android and WM 6.5!

i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought

dontw said:
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
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There is no android app to shut down android and launch windows kernel, so that possibility is very far away if it's even possible. First they would need to get android booting off nand, which is a ways off, then a haret type app would need to be written for android that can launch the window ce kernel, which may be very difficult because windows is not open sourced, and then a version of winmo that will work with that will need to be developed.
I don't see this as being very likely to happen. If you want nand android, you're going to lose winmo.
Personally, I don't see why everyone wants to boot android from nand... It works so well from sd and you get to run multiple os on your phone. And looking at the history of nand booting android on winmo phones, the nand versions are usually less functional and don't really improve speed or battery that much. Doesn't seem worth it to change a multiple os superphone into a subpar android-only phone. But that's just me.
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I guess the simple question would be why? What do you gain from that setup compared to what we have today? You'd still get 2 OSes, but with a -lot- more work I presume.
right?
dontw said:
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
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I completely understand. I was just curious..Im sure there wouldent be any benefit of nand booting except another option and being able to shut up people from asking about it lol...I personally don't mind android running off the SD card...I have two and I use one as my everyday android build and I use the other for when new builds come out so I can try it out. Pretty sweet if yu ask me I'm sure some type of nand build will b out soon...everyone just needs to be patient
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Meh, I'd rather have our awesome devs working on meaningful things like the touch screen lag...
dontw said:
I completely understand. I was just curious..Im sure there wouldent be any benefit of nand booting except another option and being able to shut up people from asking about it lol...I personally don't mind android running off the SD card...I have two and I use one as my everyday android build and I use the other for when new builds come out so I can try it out. Pretty sweet if yu ask me I'm sure some type of nand build will b out soon...everyone just needs to be patient
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KrewsialNL said:
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
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footprint works on sense

i prefere sd card over nand ,easy switch between roms ,ihave 4 different roms on my sd card

[Q] What EXACTLY will be the advantages of NAND on HD2?!

Hey folks!
...I beg your pardon for possibly asking *goddamn* noobish questions here...but till now I really can´t get the point...
What will be the advantages of having NAND on our loved HD2? I´m really happy about the simplicism of impinging on the system so easily (e.g. changing the Kernel etc.). As soon as I intend to change something, I´m just copying the content of my SD-Card to the Desktop of my PC (backup)...after that I can mess around with android as long as I have fun with it...when something goes wrong, there´s always the possibility to make a rollback copying the backup on the SD again.
Will NAND reduce the battery drain to a minimum (i´ve read somewhere that this is false hope)? Will NAND make Android running faster than it already does? Will NAND quit with short screen freezes? Or what is the point here?
I´m sure the Devs do have a really good reason applying so much effort on the realization of NAND. I would be very grateful to understand how this reason looks like!

This question has been asked and debated a million times.
Short answer is that nobody knows, as nothing has been released. Ask a million of us this question and you will get a million answers. We just have to wait and see.
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Thank you for your answer!! Well, of course I´m deeply sorry then for posting this question! However I couldn´t find any answer on this when using Mr. search?! Perhaps this has been dicussed only within other topics? Hm,...

I think the only noticeable difference will be in boot up time... since you wont have to boot into winnow first, it will be much quicker to boot into android. Other than that it may improve battery life a little, but I doubt it will improve that much. You're still running android on ram whether it's stored on nand or sd card. It may make other small improvements, and may introduce a whole bunch of new problems. We'll have to wait and see. Personally, I like having the option to run winmo and android in the same phone, and don't think the small improvements nand will make will be worth losing winmo. Also, I think once magldr is released, there may be some of the same improovements when running it from SD card, as magldr will take out the need to boot into winmo first to get to android, but still allow you to keep winmo and run android from SD.
I am definitely looking forward to magldr, but don't care about running android from nand. As far as improvements made, we'll have to wait and see to know for sure.
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Lets not forget that once magldr is released we are a step closer to WP7 on HD2!

Also, installing applications on the HD2 takes forever and freezes up the phone because its writing to the SD card, where the ROM is too....

does MAGLDR gave us what we expected?

now it is one week since magldr was released, thanks to DFT.
it was like the end of the year gift to us, we were very happy (and we still happy) because it really bring our HD2 to life again, one day before the release of MAGLDR i was thinking of replacing it with Desire because and that because SD/RAM builds was not stable and even if it is stable it will not last more than one month before start giving FCs etc...
i opened this thread (i hope it is in the correct section, and if it is not i am sorry about that MODs will move it) to share our opinions about nand roms, is it stable as we were expect, are you happy with it or not, if no please let us know why.
for me i am very happy with it till now, it is stable, fast and reliable, and we dont need to boot into 2 os every time we are restarting the phone, and i think HD2 Became an android phone.

I think it's incredible what DFT were able to accomplish. After NAND hit, I sent Cotulla a donation, and have been trying to figure out who else to donate to for their hard work.
As far as NAND, I haven't noticed a major difference in the quality of the builds (SD vs NAND). I think it's probably there, but I'm not technically knowledgeable to notice the difference. I hear some people say the battery life is better, but I still end up plugging my phone in every night to recharge it anyway. The one nice thing the SD builds had was that it was very simple to compare builds in case there were problems with one. I could have one build stored away in a folder called 'Android2' while I dinked around with another build to test things out. It's not a huge deal (and I could probably get Titanium Restore... er, whatever it's called, backup?), but it was simpler to just move around folders.
Anyway, WM sucked so bad, I'm very much happy to rid my phone of it. I'm thankful to all of the developers who made my phone MUCH better than it originally came as (this includes WM ROM developers obviously).
Oh... and I think this thread should've gone into the 'HD2 Android General Discussion' section.

acemonvw said:
Oh... and I think this thread should've gone into the 'HD2 Android General Discussion' section.
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+1 for that.....
Guess MODS have to do some extra work

moved

Very much agree. For 1, wrong forum. This is development not 'how do you like this new feature'. More, 'how do we make this new feature work'.
Anyway, I love the NAND, and you are right, the SD was alot more convient to test and use new builds. Copy the folder and launch. Cant get easier than that indefinitly.
Although, the SDcard is not made to be read/written that many times. The SDcard itself, AND the SD reader in the phone were not made to be used that much.
The hardware im sure has got ALOT better since the G1 days, but this is exactly how my G1 died. Back in the day we used the SD to swap files, and used the ext3/4 to give the G1 a boost. Needless to say, the phone wouldnt read ANY sd card after like 8 months I think it was. Thats when I had to get a new phone because we had it so you needed the SDcard to flash a new build and w.out it, the phone could never be updated.
So my opinion? The phones come with NAND for a reason. Lets use it . Use MyBackup or Titanium and youll be okay. The flash doesnt take too long, AND its just like a REGULAR ANDROID .
THANKS DEVELOPERS! You saved me $500 and my SDcard slot.

Well, well, well. Happy to leave my comment here 'bout NAND.. This is Dream come true and the best that ever happened to my lovely HD2. With NAND, my HD2 has been on daily use without any single fault or malfunction. It works very well and the battery life is very very very GOOD. I really don't know how to start thankin' DFT and all those who put their efforts, ideas, time, compromise and and and.. THANKSSSSSSSSS. I'm done with testing NAND and now up toooooooo Donate. They deserve it.

I have not noticed any difference with nand, all the same issues still exist, but now its more inconvenient to change builds, mod system files, change kernels, etc.. Battery life is no different compared to SD. Boot time is not shorter compared to dual boot with EBL. From a developing stand point magldr is a milestone, but from a usability/practical point, its underwhelming. I think RAM smokes nand by far and wish more development is put towards RAM. I'm anxiously waiting for DS's nand+ram.
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raysacr said:
I have not noticed any difference with nand, all the same issues still exist, but now its more inconvenient to change builds, mod system files, change kernels, etc.. Battery life is no different compared to SD. Boot time is not shorter compared to dual boot with EBL. From a developing stand point magldr is a milestone, but from a usability/practical point, its underwhelming. I think RAM smokes nand by far and wish more development is put towards RAM. I'm anxiously waiting for DS's nand+ram.
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Just nit picking a little, but there will never be a "nand + ram" as you say. The ram build loads the build into ram memory, thereby making it analogous to the rom memory. In nand, the build uses ram in much the same way your normal computer does. Therefore, even if it was possible to do a nand/ram build (anything is possible for darkstone, really), I don't see the benefit because you would have less ram to work with, and rom read/write speed is actually slower than many sd card read/write speeds.
Back to topic! Only time will tell, but i think the best thing about nand is, as another user pointed out earlier, data stability. So tired of having to reload apps after a week or two because the build craps out on me.
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not a dream come true for me, but i am happy to be able to be able to copy files through the usb cable without having to reboot afterwards.

no,
it wasn't what i expected, i tought it would delete hspl.
but it didn't, it's even better like this.
it's amazingly stable.
i'm statified, expect that my data wasn't working yesterday[ppp]
hopefully that won't come along.
but if i have to restart it every night to fix it i'm fine

Im loving MAGLDR and what it has brung to the table but there iw one disappointment in that as far as I can remember it was said by cotulla or somebody else that we would have option of keeping WinMO on NAND and booting Android from SD via MAGLDR instead of via WM.
I kind of liked the idea of having that additional option also.
But its no big loss really and im just happy to have the ability to boot directly into android

TheATHEiST said:
Im loving MAGLDR and what it has brung to the table but there iw one disappointment in that as far as I can remember it was said by cotulla or somebody else that we would have option of keeping WinMO on NAND and booting Android from SD via MAGLDR instead of via WM.
I kind of liked the idea of having that additional option also.
But its no big loss really and im just happy to have the ability to boot directly into android
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That was my biggest disappointment about it, too. But it lists booting wm65 under future developments, so hopefully soon it will have that capability. I'm happy that he released the nand Android part of it for the community.
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My phone has never run this good. Nand is absolutely amazing.
My phone stays unplugged longer and runs better. What isn't to like?
Currently unplugged 13 hours and still at 50% sd builds never came close to that.
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about the only problem with magldr is the usb charging bug (big problem!)
and difficulty with clockwork recovery
hoping both are fixed soon
wm7 seems already future supported and WM 6.5 can rot in hell
magldr made me buy the hd2

I'm satisfied with NAND. SD versions were a ton of fun to test and switch, which I did like crazy....however I've found a NAND flavor that is deathly fast, stable on which everything works (TMOUS) and battery life is better than average.

can i just ask - what would be the point of MAGLDR having a WM 6.5 boot feature if a 6.5 rom boots just fine without magldr? its not like WM will run from SD card..... ?
it would be a pain for WM chefs (me included) to re-tool and create MAGLDR compatible ROMS when our current methods work just fine. Remember, MAGLDR is just a flash away at any rate.....

Yes !!! I got my expectings pleased with nand and all the things are working on mdeejays HD Revolution,and battery is so good-i might say-better than with winmo on it...
Thanx to DFT for MAGLDR and mdeejay for all the goodies with his roms

g.lewarne said:
can i just ask - what would be the point of MAGLDR having a WM 6.5 boot feature if a 6.5 rom boots just fine without magldr? its not like WM will run from SD card..... ?
it would be a pain for WM chefs (me included) to re-tool and create MAGLDR compatible ROMS when our current methods work just fine. Remember, MAGLDR is just a flash away at any rate.....
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Because with magldr, you can have it boot directly into Android on your SD card without having to go into winmo first.
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In my opnion yes..

VERY satisfied with NAND. No more wake up lag or during call black screen, which was pretty much the trouble I was having with SD and RAM builds.
Thx DFT!

[Q] Need help with finding the right (combination of) OS(s)

Hi guys,
I appreciate most of the things I'm going to ask have some explanation somewhere already on the forum, but I'm not entirely confident I know my way around well enough to get to where i want with my HD2.
So first off, I have a UK HD2, with HSPL2 and a couple month old WM energy rom flashed. I am running Android Froyo from my SD card, and i find myself using it most of the time. Because of this it seems sensible to get Android on my NAND and stop using WM. However I'm having some problems with my phone and I'm not sure if some may be caused by android.
Firstly the battery is lasting less than a day on a full charge without using any power craving features like wifi, gps or even a constant data connection. My phone is less than a year old, so hopefully HTC will issue me with a replacement [PENDING].
Secondly, when I do want to use the data connection I find I rarely get one where I normally would on WM.
Finally, I regularly get process terminated messages while running android from boot until the inevitable low-battery shutdown. (fairly sure this is purely android)
So, bearing this in mind, I would like to have a newer (preferably Gingerbread) build of android running from my NAND, presumably requiring MAGLDR. Would this APN settings thing, and 'rooting' I've read about recently help with these problems? Also I can't find anything about gingerbread with sense and assume this is because there have been no HTC gingerbread devices yet; is this the case? If so would you recommend Froyo with sense or gingerbread without? (personally I'm not keen on the curved sense home menu at the bottom, but i like the other features of sense)
A final thing to further complicate the situation is that I'd REALLY like to have a play with WP7, and last i read it had been ported and was running without LIVE services (making it practically useless), but then not too long ago a hack to make it pretend to be a HD7 was made allowing this. Is this a proper solution which makes the whole phone like a WP7 device (with the few performance niggles here and there) or is it like a demo or a shell of a phone which isn't really usable? The 'average user' review on the front page was posted before this LIVE hack, so i'm not sure it takes it into account.
So in summary, if I could get some guidance with the best choices in having Android NAND (and possibly WP7 on dual boot) covering what preparation and fixes I will need to apply it would be much appreciated. Possibly a list of tutorials I should follow in order, or even something more customised to my situation. Alternatively, if there is a guide covering all this I haven't found, that would be great!

As far as getting NAND working correctly check out this tutorial
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948
And dual booting wp7 and android
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913815
However if you dual boot wp7 would be the main os and you'll still be booting android from sd and as far as fixes and tweaks most of the time it depends which build your using I find that most of the time what works doesn't always work for others

Nintynuts said:
Hi guys,
I appreciate most of the things I'm going to ask have some explanation somewhere already on the forum, but I'm not entirely confident I know my way around well enough to get to where i want with my HD2.
So first off, I have a UK HD2, with HSPL2 and a couple month old WM energy rom flashed. I am running Android Froyo from my SD card, and i find myself using it most of the time. Because of this it seems sensible to get Android on my NAND and stop using WM. However I'm having some problems with my phone and I'm not sure if some may be caused by android.
Firstly the battery is lasting less than a day on a full charge without using any power craving features like wifi, gps or even a constant data connection. My phone is less than a year old, so hopefully HTC will issue me with a replacement [PENDING].
Secondly, when I do want to use the data connection I find I rarely get one where I normally would on WM.
Finally, I regularly get process terminated messages while running android from boot until the inevitable low-battery shutdown. (fairly sure this is purely android)
So, bearing this in mind, I would like to have a newer (preferably Gingerbread) build of android running from my NAND, presumably requiring MAGLDR. Would this APN settings thing, and 'rooting' I've read about recently help with these problems? Also I can't find anything about gingerbread with sense and assume this is because there have been no HTC gingerbread devices yet; is this the case? If so would you recommend Froyo with sense or gingerbread without? (personally I'm not keen on the curved sense home menu at the bottom, but i like the other features of sense)
A final thing to further complicate the situation is that I'd REALLY like to have a play with WP7, and last i read it had been ported and was running without LIVE services (making it practically useless), but then not too long ago a hack to make it pretend to be a HD7 was made allowing this. Is this a proper solution which makes the whole phone like a WP7 device (with the few performance niggles here and there) or is it like a demo or a shell of a phone which isn't really usable? The 'average user' review on the front page was posted before this LIVE hack, so i'm not sure it takes it into account.
So in summary, if I could get some guidance with the best choices in having Android NAND (and possibly WP7 on dual boot) covering what preparation and fixes I will need to apply it would be much appreciated. Possibly a list of tutorials I should follow in order, or even something more customised to my situation. Alternatively, if there is a guide covering all this I haven't found, that would be great!
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The battery issue is definitely an Android issue and I would recommend using a Froyo based Android build, which also has less problems with data connections. Unfortunately to say is that you might expect some problems using either Android or WP7 on the HD2, because it's still a WnMO device, although it can handle other OS's as well.
regards, Kuzibri

@SpiderVenom
Thanks for the links
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if you dual boot wp7 would be the main os and you'll still be booting android from sd
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I got the impression this may be the case, which emphasizes my question, is Windows Phone 7 on HD2 good enough to be usable, is it worth it?
@Kuzibri
kuzibri said:
The battery issue is definitely an Android issue and I would recommend using a Froyo based Android build, which also has less problems with data connections.
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Well I'm using Froyo now, and I have all these problems, and I think the battery problem currently exists on both WM and android, so I'm relatively convinced it's the battery.

Nintynuts said:
@SpiderVenom
Thanks for the links
I got the impression this may be the case, which emphasizes my question, is Windows Phone 7 on HD2 good enough to be usable, is it worth it?
@Kuzibri
Well I'm using Froyo now, and I have all these problems, and I think the battery problem currently exists on both WM and android, so I'm relatively convinced it's the battery.
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Well, I'm not really convinced that it's your battery. Check your SD Card and my advice would be: shut down device - remove SD Card - insert in to PC - backup you data to PC - do a slow format with PC - after formatting with PC, reinsert SD Card in device and power up - format SD Card with the device's SD formatting tool (windows - tools - SD Formatting tool). Power off device, remove SD Card and insert into PC and restore your data. Reinsert after that your SD Card in to device and power up again and see what your battery does. Should be much better.
regards, Kuzibri

OK, thanks, I will try it and get back to you, but this isn't the main point of my question, and I don't want the subject veering off on a tangent

Personally I don't think wp7 is worth it right now. The devs are doing great work on it but as of right now as a main OS I think because of the limitations and all the hoops and hurdles you have to go through for it. I'm sticking with NAND personally.
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Nintynuts said:
OK, thanks, I will try it and get back to you, but this isn't the main point of my question, and I don't want the subject veering off on a tangent
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you're right about that, but this can solve most of your battery problems.
Regarding WP7 on HD2: see reaction of SpiderVenom
Regarding Android on the HD2: well the NAND version is much better than the SD card one, but it's and will be a personal choice.
i personaly stick to WinMo 6.5.5 with Artemis ROM on it.
regards, Kuzibri

kuzibri said:
you're right about that, but this can solve most of your battery problems.
Regarding WP7 on HD2: see reaction of SpiderVenom
Regarding Android on the HD2: well the NAND version is much better than the SD card one, but it's and will be a personal choice.
i personaly stick to WinMo 6.5.5 with Artemis ROM on it.
regards, Kuzibri
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wp7 on hd2 is as useful as it is on any native wp7 device...actually, even better than any native device, because you can dual boot with a good android build off sd card...i would suggest you first try the sd card gingerbread ram version from mdj and superram froyo from darkstone..to checkout the differences. i personally use mdj desire hd 4.6 on sd card (it cannot be replaced by any non-sense build..tried them all, but had to come back to it)and wp7 on nand...
as for the battery, try the sd card format as described above.
also..try this....confirmed to work...but no one knows why it works.. charge your phone for 8 hrs (even though it says 100%)...then switch off phone...charge for 1hr..then switch on and charge for 1hr..........you will see a gross difference in battery

SpiderVenom said:
Personally I don't think wp7 is worth it right now. The devs are doing great work on it but as of right now as a main OS I think because of the limitations and all the hoops and hurdles you have to go through for it. I'm sticking with NAND personally.
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I agree completely with SpiderVenom.
Right now, you do have some hoop jumping to go through in order to get wp7 working correctly.
I'm also using MDJ's NAND Gingerbread install with zero issues and excellent battery life. It's also nice that all of the purchased android apps are usable on both of my android devices. (I have an Archos 5IT.)

Thanks for all your comments, I'm getting the impression (from SpideVenom and apallohadas) that getting WP7 going is troublesome, I would be interested to hear from people who have already jumped the necessary hoops (pakure?) to see if they think it's worth the effort. I don't mind jumping hoops as long as I only have to do it once (when I install).
pakure said:
try the sd card gingerbread ram version from MDJ and superram froyo from darkstone
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I assume these are 'RAM' builds, and I guess they're somehow better than plain SD versions? Still not sure about the whole Gingerbread w/o Sense vs Froyo with Sense situation. Do others agree with these suggestions?
pakure said:
also..try this....
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Thanks, I'll try that too

Nintynuts said:
Thanks for all your comments, I'm getting the impression (from SpideVenom and apallohadas) that getting WP7 going is troublesome, I would be interested to hear from people who have already jumped the necessary hoops (pakure?) to see if they think it's worth the effort. I don't mind jumping hoops as long as I only have to do it once (when I install).
I assume these are 'RAM' builds, and I guess they're somehow better than plain SD versions? Still not sure about the whole Gingerbread w/o Sense vs Froyo with Sense situation. Do others agree with these suggestions?
Thanks, I'll try that too
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the ram versions are faster even than nand android
well, you wont get to know, unless you try wp7 for yourself..anyway, you can always fall back to wm6.5/android..its all one flash away.

I have been trying a NAND gingerbread build and it's running a lot better than froyo was off my SD, and the battery drain is reduced too.
However I'm finding android without sense intolerable. So I think I need to switch back to a froyo build (unless anyone knows of a Gingerbread build with sense).
I was wondering what's the best way of switching; Is there any way of keeping applications in tact? If not, is it possible to backup my existing NAND contents to SD card so I can flash it back if need be?
Also, is Android RAM ACTUALLY better/faster than NAND, and would it be worth having a WP7 NAND and Android from SD on RAM?
Finally, can anyone recommend a Froyo Sense RAM build? I find it very difficult to filter through the forum threads picking out the one that's right for me. I found a site which gives VERY brief overviews of the current builds, but it doesn't cover stuff like what's not working etc and not all the associated forum threads do.

isnt it a matter of personal choice...what may suit me the best may not be good for others...so its just keep trying till u figure which one is the best for yourself

Switching to Android

Aaaah I hear you say, another one, it's about time, welcome to the dark side, etc etc... Yeah yeah I know, it's about time I went from WM6.5 to Android.
Reasons why I stayed with Windows ? I liked the sync between MsOutlook and my device using USB and NOT "the cloud". Sadly the new versions of Windows (7 and 8) don't allow this anymore so I reluctantly joined "the cloud" (Google Apps for Education, it's free).
Now, I am ready to switch to Android, but, ... which version ? which ROM ? how does it install ? straightfoward ?
Can anyone recommend a good ROM that :
- contains HTC Sense
- is fast
- is easy to install (go easy guys, I work, live and breathe Msoft, it's my job, yeah I know, but it pays the bills)
- is in English
- is up-to-date
- is free
Thanks very much.
PS : I'd rather keep my history (SMS mostly) as they contain a lot of info, so far I've used PPCPimBackup, does that work cross-platform ?
Boags.

if you still want to keep WM you can boot Android within it, there are many tutorials around here, also be careful if your using a tmobile verions a wrong radio culd brick your phone.
here's one that you could try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1986437
or check out the links below if you want to even multi boot your phone

mengfei said:
if you still want to keep WM you can boot Android within it, there are many tutorials around here, also be careful if your using a tmobile verions a wrong radio culd brick your phone.
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Thanks, I'm happy just formatting WM6, no dual boot.
It's not a Tmobile it was bought without a plan or anything so I'm pretty free in that regard.
Any suggestion for a "clean install" ROM ?

I'm pretty sure nobody's thinking 'it's about time, welcome to the dark side' but more along the lines of 'oh FFS, another thread asking about the best ROM and how to install it'. If you'd have searched, you'd have found a few hundred threads exactly like this, and multiple guides on installing Android.
Anyway, try the guide in my sig for an easy installation process (also read the new user guide too). Nobody can tell you the best ROM (that's entirely subjective) or a 'fast' Sense based ROM (well at least not in my opinion).

Boags said:
- contains HTC Sense
- is fast
PS : I'd rather keep my history (SMS mostly) as they contain a lot of info, so far I've used PPCPimBackup, does that work cross-platform ?
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AFAIK Sense is a bit slow in Android on the HD2, and other options are better, try them and judge for yourself.
As for SMS, this is what I used when I made the switch long time ago, and it worked smoothly.
http://android.riteshsahu.com/tips/importexportmove-sms-messages-from-windows-mobile-to-android
Good luck

Nigeldg said:
I'm pretty sure nobody's thinking 'it's about time, welcome to the dark side' but more along the lines of 'oh FFS, another thread asking about the best ROM and how to install it'. If you'd have searched, you'd have found a few hundred threads exactly like this, and multiple guides on installing Android.
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Right, no need to be rude, I'm sure you've never asked a previously answered question in your life...
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Anyway, try the guide in my sig for an easy installation process (also read the new user guide too). Nobody can tell you the best ROM (that's entirely subjective) or a 'fast' Sense based ROM (well at least not in my opinion).
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Thanks, I'll read all that material.

AthenaLod said:
AFAIK Sense is a bit slow in Android on the HD2, and other options are better, try them and judge for yourself.
As for SMS, this is what I used when I made the switch long time ago, and it worked smoothly.
http://android.riteshsahu.com/tips/importexportmove-sms-messages-from-windows-mobile-to-android
Good luck
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Aah, thanks for that constructive input, I thought Sense was HTC's best stuff, I'll try your ROM and let you know.:good:
Boags.

If you want a rom you can customize visually, try MIUI. It has a tons of themes so you won't get bored easily, it even has an HTC sense theme. If not try one of the CM builds. Gingerbread roms are more stable but if you want the newer android features like Google Now and some new apps do require ICS+ go for one of the ICS or Jellybean builds. If i were you i'd just try a few roms before completely settling on one and installing all your data etc.

OKay thank you both for your help. I managed to install "Nexus JellyBean" on my HD2... It wasn't as straightforward as I'd hope (there are a lot of prerequisites to Android, it's not just next-next-next you're done but anyways).
So yeah it runs, everything works, but there's a bit "but". It's slow as hell. And I mean sluggishly slow. I've only connected to Gmail, Hotmail and Facebook. Nothing else. No GPS, no WiFi, nothing.
A test : on the main screen, open Gmail. Wait for four seconds for the emails to be displayed. Close Gmail (there is no "close" application in fact, once it's opened, it stays as an open process and runs in the background). Open "Internet" and wait for ten seconds for google.com to be opened (either on Wifi or on 3G). Go back to the main screen takes forever again, then open Gmail again, wait for another five seconds, etc etc etc.
Seriously, it's bloody awful.
So, maybe it's because the HD2 wasn't meant to run on Android and I'd be better off with WM65, or maybe this build of Android isn't the fastest I can find, but then, can anyone tell me what build I should be running ? There seems to be so freaking many available it's no wonder "noobs" like me ask silly questions "which is best"..
I just booted the HD2, went to Settings/Apps/RAM : 235used and 174free... And I haven't even started using any apps...
So far then, not convinced...

I won't get into the details bec theres already tons of threads about it but
Have you flashed a new radio that unlocks the HD2 ram to 512mb?
As I said, Gingerbread roms are the most stable and fastest so I suggest you go for one of them. ICS & Jelly roms aren't 100% there yet.
I'd suggest installing on nand with data on EXT partition if your SD card isn't that fast.

Txs, i don't know, I thought I had it flashed under WM65 :
NexusHD2
Android 4.1.2
Baseband 15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14
Kernel 2.6.32.tytung_jellybean_r1
CPU ARMv7
Mem 410mb
Cyanogen 10.0.0-leo
Build date 07/12/2012
Build nr JZ054K (NexusHD2-JellyBean v1.3a) [DataOnExt]
None of these mean much to me, I'm still learning

bryan_0906 said:
I won't get into the details bec theres already tons of threads about it but
Have you flashed a new radio that unlocks the HD2 ram to 512mb?
As I said, Gingerbread roms are the most stable and fastest so I suggest you go for one of them. ICS & Jelly roms aren't 100% there yet.
I'd suggest installing on nand with data on EXT partition if your SD card isn't that fast.
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1. He must have a .50 radio if he's successfully running NAND Android.
2. It unlocks 576MB of RAM, not 512.
@OP, Either go for GB or basically learn to live with it if you want the latest and greatest Android version. GB will be faster and more stable for daily use BUT won't have HWA so you won't have anywhere near as smooth an experience in web browsing and gaming. For your own sake don't go for a Sense ROM, they're just as 'slow' as JB or ICS. MIUI and CM7 are both great, I personally prefer CM but it's really down to your preference. Try them both then make a decision. CM has less eye candy and is far less iOS like but both are fast.

Okay thanks, slowly learning the "language"
Currently dowloading "Gingerbread" (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060) and wiping "JellyBean"... (the guy who finds these names should get a job at the place where they name tropical cyclones:laugh
Keep you posted.

If you need any help with 'learning the language' check the guide in my sig which says 'A guide to all of the terms for the HD2'. It makes things pretty simple, and definitely helped me quite a lot the first time round.

So I "downgraded" from Jellybean to Gingerbread and though it's not superfast it's a lot better.
How can I tell my radio is the version that "unleashes" the max RAM ? I recall it was the latest available on WM65...
Any "tweaks" to make it faster ? A few apps often hang for a couple of seconds before they're available...
Still, it's a pretty cool platform I must agree, a shame Msoft never could be as good. Haven't seen the new WM though...
Thanks for all your help, and have a great 2013 !:good:

Don't worry, you definitely have a compatible radio version. The guy who posted about the RAM thing earlier was basically just spamming for 10 posts.
Not to confuse you, but if you want speed, stability and functionality and don't use many apps then Windows Phone may actually be the way to go. There are obviously some apps which simply aren't available on Windows Phone yet including huge ones like Instagram and (I think) Temple Run but the OS is really wonderful to use and beats Android in terms of fluidity.
Anyway, congrats on flashing and sorry about the rudeness of my first post in this thread

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Don't worry, you definitely have a compatible radio version. The guy who posted about the RAM thing earlier was basically just spamming for 10 posts.
Not to confuse you, but if you want speed, stability and functionality and don't use many apps then Windows Phone may actually be the way to go. There are obviously some apps which simply aren't available on Windows Phone yet including huge ones like Instagram and (I think) Temple Run but the OS is really wonderful to use and beats Android in terms of fluidity.
Anyway, congrats on flashing and sorry about the rudeness of my first post in this thread
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Sweet, so this is as best as it will ever get I suppose. Not a LOT slower than WM65 in reality, just a tad. Loads more potential tho, with the widgets and apps and stuff out there. I'll keep it simple anyways.
Still, you're probably the only person who, though a true Linux-Android fan, has publicly admitted Microsoft does it better, well in some occasions anyways : speed and stability is what most "professional" crowd need (a smartphone that does push-email, sync their contacts database and calendar with whatever server they're using, with the occasional websurfing, facebooking, tweeting or linkedin-ing).
Having worked with Msoft for over 15 years now, I had to try Android to at least understand what the fuss was all about, well I've seen it. I'll keep it for now, but I'm not convinced I won't switch back to WM one day.
I tried NeXTstep and BeOS once, loved them both as they were way ahead of their times, but sadly they could never been used as a professional tool. I think I can say the same for Android...
PS @Nigeldg, don't sweat it bro. No offence taken.

Yeah I think people often make the mistake of assuming that all fans of one thing simply hate the alternative, which often isn't true. Different things suit different people, I'd definitely recommend an iOS or Windows Phone to my Mum for example over an Android phone because they're more simple. I can only really respect someone's opinion when they know that there are always arguments for and against a certain point, if they don't then there's really very little valid input they can make in any discussion.
Also, I don't think you should really judge Android by your experience with the HD2, that would be like making a decision between a PS3 and an Xbox based on having played Viva Pinata on the Xbox and Killzone on the PS3. Android is a very nice OS and you really need the hardware to appreciate it. Having used Android on a GNex and a Nexus 4 (which I'm still waiting to order ) I can safely say it's now as smooth as iOS and Windows Phone if you get a decent phone.

Hi,
why don't you use WM6.x and Android on the same phone (via dualboot/tripleboot/...)? You can use the advantages of both OS and only need to wait 1 min. to boot the other one... see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33988958
I use different Android-Versions, because no version can all I need... and I use WM, because I have some great payed apps... it's great...
Cheers Klaus
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I don't want dual boot because I'm not looking for one solution, this exercise was just to test if a) I was able to do it, b) Android has what I need.
The answer is yes for the first questions (with help), but the second question has mixed results. Yes it runs, and yes I can do what I was doing on WM, but nothing more. Which leads me to my next question when I do decide to replace the HD2 by a new phone (because I need 4G and because I like new things, don't we all) : will I buy an Android or a Windows-based phone ?
My next challenge would be to test an iPhone