ive noticed the galaxyS/Captivate and the Focus are very similar in hardware except for the memory card syncing with the phone itself and the cpu focus:snapdragon / galaxys/captivate hummingbird, so i was wondering if anyone is working on it already or maybe attempting to gather information on a new beginning for this phones journey into xda
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ive noticed the galaxyS/Captivate and the Focus are very similar in hardware except for the memory card syncing with the phone itself and the cpu focus:snapdragon / galaxys/captivate hummingbird, so i was wondering if anyone is working on it already or maybe attempting to gather information on a new beginning for this phones journey into xda
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I havent heard anything about anyone trying to port android to the focus or any WP7 phones yet...but it may come in the future...im not sure if its possible or not...but im pretty sure these XDA devs can make it happen.
i hope xda is the first i might not post much and lurk more but if its any site i want to see catch a big fish its here <3
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i hope xda is the first i might not post much and lurk more but if its any site i want to see catch a big fish its here <3
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If anybody does it first it will be here!
android on WP7
Theoretically is possible now that the WP7 is jailbraked.... it just has to be installed as a partition on the drive, as we can no longer run it from within WP7 and get all its features running. This is because WP7 will not let you stop processes that belong to other apps like phone or the UI so android can be booted like we do on WM (correct me if I'm wrong.....I don't think I am). Also the encoding of wp7 storage is tricky and partitioning it is hard....ask the guys trying to install WP7 on the HD2.....I'm pretty sure that we will see it done very soon as it only needs a loader program in the beginning of the phone to choose your operating system...like we see when we have Linux and windows on our PC.
As for the other part of this is the drivers that are not developed in droid for the focus.....maybe the captivate looks like the same phone but inside can be a hole new ball game. We have a led flash on our cameras which something tells me the camera is not the same. The captivate have a hummingbird processor as the focus has a snapdragon (but i don't think this would be a problem as a lot of other DROIDs have snapdragon). Samsung maybe just "semi-cloned" the look of the device because the captivate is one of the most selling phones they got. The internals can be completely different
Hi All
I was hoping someone might know if there has been any development on the Samsung Focus as far as getting Android on to it and getting WP7 off?
I've got the option of taking a Captivate but I really like the SnapDragons and I prefer the outer case of the Focus.
Anyone heard anything more about Android on the Focus recently?
Anyone know? I'm going to give this phone back today if not as I have searched and searched and can't find anything on it :-(
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I've got the option of taking a Captivate but I really like the SnapDragons and I prefer the outer case of the Focus.
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Why? Hummingbird is faster than SnapDragon in many ways (the only reason Focus does not use Hummingbird is because WP7 only support SnapDragon chip at this time). If you want Android, get Captivate or other Android phones. There is no sense to spend money to buy a WP7 phone and hack it that way. Although Android is open source, phone hardware drivers are not. Devs can only working on getting ROMs assembled using phones with similar hardware. But Samsung never has any Snapdragon android phone before.
LOL how would you go about partitioning off the memory? With the way WP7 integrate external memory with the internal memory? Thus there would be no storage because you can't even see anything stored on the SD. Androids also run on a 4 button system, WP7's have only 3. Some of the hardware isn't the same, and even every galaxy class phone has diffrent hardware. Go buy and android phone or an HD2 if you hell bent on running 2 OS. Also if you would've read the WP7 development forum as to why not to ask this question you'd know why they are not doing it.
Here's your answer
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=949042
foxbat121 said:
There is no sense to spend money to buy a WP7 phone and hack it that way.
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There's plenty of sense if you prefer the look of the phone over the android equivalent? Besides, a lot of us (including me) bought the HTC HD2 as a WinMo then changed it to run Android when we could have just bought Android phones?
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.......Devs can only working on getting ROMs assembled using phones with similar hardware.........
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They managed to get Android working on the HD2 which has a Snapdragon?
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LOL how would you go about partitioning off the memory? With the way WP7 integrate external memory with the internal memory? Thus there would be no storage because you can't even see anything stored on the SD. Androids also run on a 4 button system, WP7's have only 3. Some of the hardware isn't the same, and even every galaxy class phone has diffrent hardware. Go buy and android phone or an HD2 if you hell bent on running 2 OS. Also if you would've read the WP7 development forum as to why not to ask this question you'd know why they are not doing it.
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I'm sorry I must be missing something? all the link says is to read the stickies, would you mind pointing me to the forum that they are referring to? I have searched but mustn't be typing in the correct string...
Oh, on the point of WP7's memory allocation - I think you need to read up on it a bit more too as there is a way you can seperate the SD.
Got a captivate yesterday anyway... not sure if I'll keep it though, might move to the Desire HD - it's much more like my HD2 which I really liked.
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They managed to get Android working on the HD2 which has a Snapdragon?
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Because the HD2 Android counter part, EVO, is a Snapdragon phone. I said Samsung does not have a Snapdragon Android phone out there. It is very difficult to use ROM parts from other manufacturers.
Remember Devs are mostly called Chefs. They mix and pick different parts and assemble them into ROMs. They are not developing them like from source code to ROMs. They can only work on the parts that are offered by phone makers, not from scratch.
Thread Closed! Hardware may be very similar but the architecture is very different. Would be too much of a time consuming job regardless for the moment. This question has also been asked many times. Please search the Windows Phone 7 related forums before posting. Thanks.
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I'm sorry HD2 lovers but although Windows OS is pretty custimizable its CLEARLY a VERY OLD OS that I just cant get that into. So my question is this and your answers really depend on whether I decide to keep the phone or not. What is more Likely to happen first
-Fully Working WP7
-Semi Working Android(ie: broken wifi,bluetooth, camera etc...)
Hum! its hard to say... But I am sure that when either of those come out, its going to be a P.O.S.
I wouldn't keep my hopes up on either, but im thinking WP7 might be the easier port.
If you really don't like WM6.5, return it and get an android device. By the time WP7 is out there will likely be much better hardware out with it officially installed.
Qualcomm has dual core and 1.5ghz snapdragons in the pipeline for later this year, im sure there will be many WP7 phones with them.
On the other hand if you're a WM fan like myself, stick with the HD2 because its probably the best hardware that WM will ever be officially released on.
It would be interesting to see HTC do an official android release for the HD2. There are no licensing issues why they couldn't, just have to spend some time to do it, or at least give the enthusiast community the needed drivers and other know how to get it working so we're not reinventing the wheel. you know they've probably already got it working in shop.
@ OP
Use the SEARCH link.
WP7 port was done a couple of months ago. Android may take a loooong time or it may not even happen if we get a flurry of hi end devices running android on all 4 major carriers.
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@ OP
Use the SEARCH link.
WP7 port was done a couple of months ago. Android may take a loooong time or it may not even happen if we get a flurry of hi end devices running android on all 4 major carriers.
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No, there is no legitimate port currently.
kcaj32 said:
@ OP
Use the SEARCH link.
WP7 port was done a couple of months ago. Android may take a loooong time or it may not even happen if we get a flurry of hi end devices running android on all 4 major carriers.
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Last I head that "port" was a scam, it was someone using the remote desktop client in WM6.5 to connect to a remote emulator running WP7
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@ OP
Use the SEARCH link.
WP7 port was done a couple of months ago. Android may take a loooong time or it may not even happen if we get a flurry of hi end devices running android on all 4 major carriers.
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what tom said was a big fake ,it was not ported to hd2 ,may be the russians have lied to him as i personally don't think he will make a thing like that
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I'm sorry HD2 lovers but although Windows OS is pretty custimizable its CLEARLY a VERY OLD OS that I just cant get that into. So my question is this and your answers really depend on whether I decide to keep the phone or not. What is more Likely to happen first
-Fully Working WP7
-Semi Working Android(ie: broken wifi,bluetooth, camera etc...)
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This is the 3rd time i'e seen this exact same question posted. Either one will be at least 6 months-1 year away.... maybe more.... so if you don't like WinMo, I suggest getting a different phone. Personally, I think WinMo is the best OS out there for mobile devices and I am glad to have what will probably be the best WinMo phone of all time since there won't be many more winmo phones made.
My bad. You guys are right. I saw the news for the port but didn't follow up about it being fake.
I still think WP7 will be ported first.
With all the Android Superphones coming out (EVO [sprint], Droid X, Incredible [verizon], Galaxy S [t-mobile], Captivate [ATT]), its easier to buy a new device than use a ported ROM on the HD2.
I think we're more likely to see a windows 7 Shell similiar to how HTC Sense is on the HD2 before any fully working windows phone 7 ports are done. Although the hardware on the HD2 is pretty much as impressive as anything available now the fact is that, just as with computer parts it will be considered "not fast enough" when windows 7 phones are actually released.
I'm 26 years old and had my first pc in 1994. it was a packard bell and ran at 600 Mhz with 128MB or ram and a 40 GB HD. My HD2 is faster than my first pc ever was and it is about 20x smaller. Anyone else think about these sort of things and really marvel at the pace technology is moving?
The wife and I were in the food store the other day waiting in line behind some lady paying for groceries with a check. My wife was *****ing to me that people are crazy that still carry around paper checkbooks. I told her that when we're older and probably holding up a line with our surgically implanted RFID chips to pay for groceries, some youngsters will be complaining about us not using retinal scans so we can be done quicker..LOL.
I was just curious if anyone has any thoughts on Gingerbread on a Samsung Focus? I read that the Nexus S with the recent Gingerbread installed is the identical phone. I am very happy with Phone 7 and have no intentions of switching but the possibility could give us all much more value with the Focus. The thought of Gingerbread on this phone may also add to the longevity and a market value if someone wanted to sell it before their contract is up. I love phone 7 and hope they start some regular updates to make the phone even better.
Yep.. it's called the captivate LOL and probably not because it's a 3 button phone, kinda why HD2's and other window mobile phones are not upgradable
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Yep.. it's called the captivate LOL and probably not because it's a 3 button phone, kinda why HD2's and other window mobile phones are not upgradable
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on a side note.... the HD2 is upgradable... they've successfully put windows 7 on it. The only catch so far is it doesn't have the correct licencing so it isn't able to have working live tiles or the marketplace. But none the less.... its on there working.
I dont think anyones been working on Android on our phones yet. First thing's first is to get WP7 cracked open totally then they can do their magic. That's still a ways off though.
If you want android on a phone, how about you buy an android phone and not clutter wp7 areas.
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on a side note.... the HD2 is upgradable... they've successfully put windows 7 on it. The only catch so far is it doesn't have the correct licencing so it isn't able to have working live tiles or the marketplace. But none the less.... its on there working.
I dont think anyones been working on Android on our phones yet. First thing's first is to get WP7 cracked open totally then they can do their magic. That's still a ways off though.
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last time I check the gps, camera, and... something else didn't work but to add live tiles not working on top of that... what's the sense?
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last time I check the gps, camera, and... something else didn't work but to add live tiles not working on top of that... what's the sense?
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well work in progress...considering they said WM7 wouldn't be able to run at all on any other devices Id say its a pretty huge step. Probably the only WM phone that can do it and do it well. Android still doesn't work fully on my touch pro 2 but I kept that phone just for that reason that one day it WILL be able to run it.
the HD2 can run android (almost full), WM 6.1/6.5, WM7 and I think they were saying they're starting to work on getting webos on it too so, pretty stellar phone I would say!
Still, like I said, I think android running on our phones is still a long ways a way. They only just recently cracked one of the HTC WP7's to be able to run other roms. Big step for sure but still a far cry from running an entirely different OS
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well work in progress...considering they said WM7 wouldn't be able to run at all on any other devices Id say its a pretty huge step. Probably the only WM phone that can do it and do it well. Android still doesn't work fully on my touch pro 2 but I kept that phone just for that reason that one day it WILL be able to run it.
the HD2 can run android (almost full), WM 6.1/6.5, WM7 and I think they were saying they're starting to work on getting webos on it too so, pretty stellar phone I would say!
Still, like I said, I think android running on our phones is still a long ways a way. They only just recently cracked one of the HTC WP7's to be able to run other roms. Big step for sure but still a far cry from running an entirely different OS
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Yeah well considering I use the GPS, and camera a lot, and live tiles now that I have it. I wouldn't consider that close lol That 4.3 screen is just awesome for TomTom. I'd rather use my HD2 as an android device before a windows phone 7. Web OS might be interesting though... aah so little time some many possibilites. Another problem is the Focus is only a 3 button phone, I duno if you can rework Android to work on 3 instead of 4.
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If you want android on a phone, how about you buy an android phone and mot clutter wp7 areas.
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Thanks for the useless comment. This is a legitimate question. Not all of us want to spend the money on every different devices. I'd like to be able to run android for testing on the Focus if it was possible. Nothing wrong with that question.
thegarmac said:
Thanks for the useless comment. This is a legitimate question. Not all of us want to spend the money on every different devices. I'd like to be able to run android for testing on the Focus if it was possible. Nothing wrong with that question.
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Then post the useless inquiry the android section and waste their space
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I was just curious if anyone has any thoughts on Gingerbread on a Samsung Focus? I read that the Nexus S with the recent Gingerbread installed is the identical phone. I am very happy with Phone 7 and have no intentions of switching but the possibility could give us all much more value with the Focus. The thought of Gingerbread on this phone may also add to the longevity and a market value if someone wanted to sell it before their contract is up. I love phone 7 and hope they start some regular updates to make the phone even better.
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lol.........................
thank you hvbelton! as i read... it is what i was thinking... then again... so thank you!
Ok I know it's been a lot of threads on this subject already but none of them is tellin ==g me what i wanna know because the threads are so old and the hd2 as come a long way with being able to run Androi and WinM7. Now I have had an HD2 in the past when android was the only os being worked on and wasnt fully working. But now reading that Android is pretty much working fully on it and WinM7 can be ran on it almost perfect also. I mean as far as specs and things. I have an Samsung Vibrant right now, I love this phone and I also loved the HD2 when i had it I would also wanna try to give the WinM7 a try but don't wanna buy a new phone just to play with a new OS. Thanks for the help.
if cotulla pick samsung vibrant I would pick samsung vibrant tooo
so my answer is HD2
samsung vibrant undoubtedly
ok and why do you suggest that
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ok and why do you suggest that
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Because you're asking in an HD2 forum.
reds28heem said:
Ok I know it's been a lot of threads on this subject already but none of them is tellin ==g me what i wanna know because the threads are so old and the hd2 as come a long way with being able to run Androi and WinM7. Now I have had an HD2 in the past when android was the only os being worked on and wasnt fully working. But now reading that Android is pretty much working fully on it and WinM7 can be ran on it almost perfect also. I mean as far as specs and things. I have an Samsung Vibrant right now, I love this phone and I also loved the HD2 when i had it I would also wanna try to give the WinM7 a try but don't wanna buy a new phone just to play with a new OS. Thanks for the help.
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i have samsung vibrant it is a nice phone but i doesnt have much development infact vibrant still doesnt have a working gingerbread rom most of them are gingerbread clones... so i traded my vibrant and puchase a htc hd2 from ebay as this device has lot of potential and it can run wp7 android meego and ubuntu + it has a very good dev support on xda....
ok thanks and i was asking on this forum beause it mainly is about the hd2.
reds28heem said:
ok thanks and i was asking on this forum beause it mainly is about the hd2.
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HD2 is way better than most phones. It's robust, proven and moreover it can run almost all Mobile OS as well as Ubuntu. If you are just one of the regular customers who doesn't like to tinker with the phone any phone is good but if you are into tinkering HD2 all the way.
Yes i like to mess around with my phone and play with different OS's and before when I had the Hd2 i loved it because of the screen size and and a few other things. I love the Vibrant also but i would also wanna play around with the WinM7 software. I mean if I already own the Vibrant would it really be worth it to trade or sell it to get a HD2. Whats the trade off if I get the HD2 other than that the HD2 can pretty much run any OS. Would I be down grading as far as specs and memory.
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Yes i like to mess around with my phone and play with different OS's and before when I had the Hd2 i loved it because of the screen size and and a few other things. I love the Vibrant also but i would also wanna play around with the WinM7 software. I mean if I already own the Vibrant would it really be worth it to trade or sell it to get a HD2. Whats the trade off if I get the HD2 other than that the HD2 can pretty much run any OS. Would I be down grading as far as specs and memory.
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Downgrading no absolutly no hd2 has a 1ghz snapdragon and the vibrant has a 1ghz humming bird processor about the same a large portion of android phones carry the snapdragon processor and imo the hd2 was ahead of its time when it was released cause it still keeps up with all the in coming phones even the droid well sorta ja ja ja (still an hd2 can be over clocked up to 1.5 ghz) so i would definetly go with hd2 seeing as you like to tinker and you can run android as well with little to no flaws atleast not on the build i have
ok thnks i think im oing to make the move.
Hello guys!
I recently bought a new Samsung Focus and I have to say: good job Samsung. A couple of weeks ago, I heard about a "hack" from XDA devs that lets you dual boot android and wm7 on it. So I was wondering if I could get some help from our beloved forums to get more information or links in order to dual boot...
P.S: sorry for my bad English
Thank you very much everyone! Alpha8768
Sent from IE9 for Samsung i917.
wondering
I heard the rumors too but could not find the sources or tutorials, please post if any have anything too share
I think they were all rumours
Freak, because we got clear information about it :/ Maybe the team who created the exploit (supposed to be the same exploit than on the HTC HD2) decided to not release their work? I'll try to search more when I'll be on my computer...
Well over in the main WP7 forum they managed to get money rounded up to buy a Focus for cotulla/DFT. He has since posted a picture of a focus with MAGLDR on it. This would be the first step to custom ROM's but there was never any release info on MAGLDR or anything else.
Any new info on this would be greatly appriciated
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Any new info on this would be greatly appriciated
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Seconding this request. Much as I like my Windows Phone, I'd really like the flexibility of an Android and don't have any money to buy anything.
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Seconding this request. Much as I like my Windows Phone, I'd really like the flexibility of an Android and don't have any money to buy anything.
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Try bartering your phone on ebay
Also drooling in wait of this feature...
I will say I do love my unlocked samsung focus via the DFT and I know that the magldr is how one would dual boot this phone, I just don't know where to get the gingerbread rom for this model (v1.3). I'm dying to find the answer because I use my other phone which is an android to allow me a completely free phone via sip and google voice. I can't find an app for wp7 that allows this so I am basically just wanting to do this just for that feature because lets face it... not paying for a phone and having one over wifi is a big plus. WP7 just lacks in this area. All the apps that supposedly allow you to do it for free are just a bunch of proprietary crap. So lets see it guys... android on the wp7!!! (can we just use the htc hd2 android rom for this since the dft enabled an htc hd thing in the rom that does work for this phone?). Any and all help/comments/questions are greatly appreciated in this area.. even just pointing out a lil documentation to help get me the know-how to figure it out for myself would be nice. Thx.
I dont think its that simple, the MAGLDR that was put on our Focus's while its still MAGLDR its a cut down version, and Cotula's twitter he explains it a bit better.
I'm with you on getting the Focus to run Android, I think everyone with a Focus would like that
Theres the HaRET thread which was first used to get windows mobile to boot into Android, which is making great progress.
Personally I think the Samsung Captivate would be a good canidate for the rom, but the major difference in their is
Captivate Processor: Cortex A8 Hummingbird Processor(Samsung)
Captivate Internal Memory: 2GB
Focus Processor: QSD8250, Qualcomm's processor, same as HD2
Focus Internal Memory: 8GB
The processors will be the hardest to get to work unless someone can break down how both of them work, it probably highly unlikely though
Theres the Vibrant(just like Captivate, but on T-mobile)
And even the Nexus S, but still that darn processor :'(
No news? Really would be nice if we had a dual boot
Someone would have to convince DFT to add 'Boot from SD Android" to MAGLDR like the HD2 has.... and then someone would have to cook an SD Android build... so while possible it's not probable.
Just checking to see if anyone has any update
Would be soooooo nice! I dont use DTF, im happy with my OS like as, but, a dual bot is a plus that cant pass!
Hello
I have just broken my HTC HD2 trying to replace the USB port (accidentally sethered the ribbon cable going to the volume button putting it back together).
Ii was wandering if anyone knows any phone out there like the HD2 which can be hacked to update to the new WP8 when it comes out, or is as versatile at hacking as the HD2.
I am considering buying a new phone, but my main attraction of the HD2 is that i can hack it to update it to the latest install of my chosen OS (in this case WP7)
Are there any phones that can be hacked liked the HD2?
Thanks
Regards
Hello,
None that I know of.
The HD2 lacks a front camera IMHO, internal storage memory too (not the TMOUS version, but the 3G frequencies don't match the European needs unfortunately) and its processor's speed will look outdated sooner or later as compared to more recent devices, but all in all, it stays the best pocket PC ever having been designed, and yes, it's the only one to allow so many OSes swapping.
It may be both because of not being locked by the maker, and because a lot of people worked on the possibility to port other systems...
Anyway, it remains the only one up to now.
It may also have something to do with the fact that Windows Mobile users have always been people curious to experiment with their phones, while nowadays, WP7 users will just buy a WP7 device, and so on for Android, I don't know. Remember Windows Mobile seems not to have been so popular in the past, though having been a real pioneer, far, far before the iPhone was even a project, and it did gain some real fans, that were generally from a generation where a computer was used to program and experiment with (just have a look to my nickname )
It looks like some time has passed since then, and smartphones changed status, from swiss knife-like tools, to consumer products, thanks to makers and software editors policies, and thanks too to people changing phones twice a months.
I personnaly won't change mine for an empire, and I'm not ready to drop WM6.5.x. I bought several used HD2s from eBay, and if you really intend to keep the possibility to swap operating systems, you should do the same.
Otherwise, just buy a recent WP7 device : you'll still be able to upgrade anyway, as long as you keep up using WP7 of course.
Just keep in mind that devices, that run wp7, wont get wp8. They'll get wp7.8. But those are only official updates.
Developers can always port and mod
Sent from my NexusHD2 using XDA
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Hello,
None that I know of.
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The TOSHIBA TG01 can run Windows Phone too. to let you know...:cyclops:
thanks Z80 man
I have a feeling someone will hack it to be able to use WP8, it just seems like if WP7 can be ported, then will WP8 be that much different?
If it cant be ported 100% then, as im using WP7 all the time now, it would seem that buying a new phone would be a good option! Just not sure i can let go of this amazing phone ive had for so many years!
Being able to switch OS's after WM6.5 and make various improvements etc etc makes it like having a new phone.
Looking at the toshiba phone suggested, it doesnt have any better specs than the HD2.
Shame that no phone like this will come about again!
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I have a feeling someone will hack it to be able to use WP8, it just seems like if WP7 can be ported, then will WP8 be that much different?
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I'm sure that not only the HD2 will be ported by enthousiasts, but most, if not all recent WP7 devices will be able to be ported to WP8, even if not officially.
Now it could depend on Microsoft's will to lock devices more and more to prevent that. And makers too, actually, as their goal is finally to sell new devices even if you don't need them !
Apart from that, did WP7 became so good ? It was lacking a lot of useful features when it was released...
Thanks, might have to wait and see what WP7 phones can be hacked to WP8
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Apart from that, did WP7 became so good ? It was lacking a lot of useful features when it was released...
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Yea, they released the 7.5 update and i really liked it. Searching is alot easier, and it has OCR for looking at game covers and searching them on the internet along with a music listener now, to tell you what song is playing, all built in.
These are just a few features, but i just like its simplicity, and the apps are decent enough and easier to use than the somewhat buggy ones on WM6.5.
I found issues with WM6.5 that really annoyed me, like two 'OK' button, one which means 'OK to exit the program' and one which means 'OK in the application or menu system.
I think it was a bit of a conflict between wm6.5 and the sense over the top.
But im pretty happy with the simplicity of the WP7, just easier to use, i have my favourite apps to check like the news etc.
And also, even with energy ROM it did crash allot. randomly switching off etc.
Didn't have any luck solving these issues so i tried WP7, and its pretty good!
If you like making apps etc, you can still put them on with XAP so its still pretty open to devs as far as i can tell.
ZTE Blade can also run wp7
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phon...&utm_campaign=Feed:+WmPowerUser+(WMPowerUser)