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Why is this happening with milestone?

Hello all,
i like XDA Forums for its master brains and respect it for all the support.
i used windows mobile and android on different HTC devices and enjoyed all the interesting things in it with the help of XDA.
now i wanted to try motorola milestone and got it and it was a sheer disappointment.
Motorola milestone users are ignored very badly by motorola without updating the buggy phone and not even caring to reply users queries. its even deleting all the users posts in developer forums. it locked down the bootloader with digital signatures when the same device in US "Droid" has got all the cakes with open bootloader and custom roms and device updates for issues. recently it has announced 2.1 for droid where milestone still didn't even get 2.0.1
i see ano place to report this and motorola wantedly deleting all such posts in their support forums. as this is common android section, thought i can post it here and see if any master brains can help us.
check here where a continent itself is complaining against motorola and there is no single reply or action for this
Thanks for understanding

its bound to happen really, the Droid is Motorola's gem now and it will be the one shown off and given what it needs ahead of other devices.
Same with HTC and there devices, there flagship one's get the bug fixes and new updates while lesser models dont.
I'm sure the Milestone will eventually get what it needs.
What do you mean by locked down boot loader?

as far as i understand the bootloader in milestone is little different than in droid. the milestone bootloader uses digital signatures everywhere to check for the software authentication which makes it impossible to put custom ROMs as we do with all other android phones.
even motorola is very slow in updating the issues with milestone. i don't understand why they are doing this but its like completely locked down and totally ignored fir the price everyone payed.

hello admins / moderators / master brains / everyone,
is it possible to check the Motorola milestone bootloader for bypassing the digital signature check so that we can install custom roms on it as its done on Droid.
please take this as a kind request as i lost hope on motorola releasing the open bootloader on milestone and they r very slow in releasing updates for this device and also ignorant in resolving most bugs.
i see that you are supporting non HTC devices like samsung, toshiba and Acer. so a little hope that its posible to look into this
please everyone
i am not a big techie to understand internals of the possibilities but you can see how many people want this on here http://www.facebook.com/motorolaeurope
Thanks to all for reading this

Motorola Milestone and Droid feature the same Hardware (while Droid is CDMA and Milestone GSM) but they did not get the same software build.
Droid = with Google (Maps Navigation etc.)
Milestone = Motorola Android (Multitouch, Motonav etc.)
Thanks to TI, M-Shield is available on both devices. With M-Shield it is possible to control booting and flashing.
While the Droid does accept every signature, the Milestone is locked to (probably) one.
So there we are.
Kernel without signature will not boot (blocked by Bootloader).
Flashing another modified Bootloader is not possible without signature.

Barnd83 said:
Motorola Milestone and Droid feature the same Hardware (while Droid is CDMA and Milestone GSM) but they did not get the same software build.
Droid = with Google (Maps Navigation etc.)
Milestone = Motorola Android (Multitouch, Motonav etc.)
Thanks to TI, M-Shield is available on both devices. With M-Shield it is possible to control booting and flashing.
While the Droid does accept every signature, the Milestone is locked to (probably) one.
So there we are.
Kernel without signature will not boot (blocked by Bootloader).
Flashing another modified Bootloader is not possible without signature.
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all this has already been figured out. what they want to know now is how to un-fudge it so that they have the same abilities as dream and other android users. I have been reading EVERYTHING i can find on the matter, as i REALLY want a milestone. id just get a droid, but i HATE verizon and am staying on t-mobile no matter what phone i hafta use. so im stuck on g1 till the milestone gets figured out. what i have been thinking is that the signature is a key, so there must be a keyhole, right? if we could find and disassemble the "keyhole", could we not then reverse engineer a key?
All this locked/unlocked nonsense is making me want a milestone even more, just so i can help figure this out and give motorola a big "F-U" for what they are doing. because thats basically what they've done, they've told all their customers to go F*&$ themselves. well, just the ones outside of the US.
Honestly i dont see how motorola made it this far with a slogan like, "Go F*&$ Yourself", but whatever. thats why i HATE verizon, because they dont give two ****s about their customers, as long as they get paid. and thats what motorola is doing here...they dont CARE what milestone users want, as long as they keep selling milestones, and controlling EVERY ASPECT of them.
doesnt sound like an OPEN SOURCE attitude, to me...
-BMFC

Milestone 2.0.1 had been released before you wrote that post actually (it was released on feb 4th).
if you didn't get the update OTA yet you can even get it through their website
I assume you're in Germany so try here hxxp://direct.motorola.com/GER/SoftwareUpdateSummary.asp?country=DEU&language=GER&web_page_name=SUPPORT&strCarrierId=&strPhone=MILESTONE
chowdarygm said:
where milestone still didn't even get 2.0.1
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now the hope is gone and i decided to sell my device. its such a dumb company which doesn't care about end users.
HTC is far better in these things without putting hard restrictions.

You must have missed the hooplah that surounded the era of phones HTC put out around the Tilt. Crap video drivers etc....
HTC is just like Motorola. They go where the money is, although I say Motorola went a little overboard with the signed bootloader, it still runs rings around the Hero and most other aandroid devices short of Desire/ Nexus One.....

HTC Corportation Complain shared

Hello everyone. I'm here about the share something wich i do hope you all do something similer as i did. I'm very unhappy with HTC, and i really do hope to get HTC more respectfull for all its customers, and participants on turning this phone into a great smartphone.
Here have been the messages wich i've exchanged with HTC corporation and their replys on why doesnt HTC get an update on European firmware, and only on Rogers HTC.
ME: Hello. I just want to say i'm very disapointed with HTC. Rogers made up an update for HTC magic 2.1 android, and HTC isnt giving us one. Just wish to point out with me is a client wich you'll loose. I'm very sad with HTC, when you guys already replied to me that HTC magic wont have 2.1 android.
Best regards,
Jorge Pereira
HTC: Dear Mr. Pereira,
Thank you for contacting us,
We apologize for the inconvenience, however there is no information regarding the release of the 2.1 upgrade for the Rogers Magic on the HTC website.
Please note that any information that any information that do not come from the HTC website can only be regarded as rumors and speculation.
Please note that you can contact us via support line. For further details, please go to http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx, you'll find a toll free number that you can dial only from a landline.
Best Regards,
HTC Team
http://www.htc.com
ME: I'll be simple on the reply. Is from your official site:
HTC MAGIC (ROGERS) ÉCLAIR ROM UPDATE 3.54.631.3 | 09.08.2010
at: http://www.htc.com/ca/support/magic-rogers/downloads/
Already download it and tried to update. But was not possible giving id errror. So dont sent sand to my eyes, as i do not believe in you.
Everyone wich has a rooted phone, already flashed it. I want an official update as many HTC magic owners want.
Since there has been a very large lack of knowing where to find the official update, so that you might not say again its a rumour. http://www.htc.com/ca/support/h/magic-update The oficial update site from HTC. Very disapointed with HTC. Lying to its costumers. Never thought this would be a position HTC would have.
HTCear Mr. Pereira, Thank you for contacting us, We apologize for the earlier confusion, however, currently there is no plan to upgrade your phone to Android 2.1. The result of our analysis showed that an upgrade to your phone may impact the user experience and we ultimately decided that an upgrade was not recommended. Your phone will still receive support, and we thank you for your patience and understanding. Please note that you can contact us via support line . For further details, please go to http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx, you'll find a toll free number that you can dial only from a landline. Best Regards, HTC Team http://www.htc.com
ME: Why is it not recomended since rogers have exacly same HTC magic with same board same specs? And if i tell you that i already seen a rooted phone with 2.1 android oficial with Rogers version of android 2.1 workign much better than my 1.5 android? If i tell you that i can get in that android the maximum speed of my internet conection, and iwht my phone i'm limited to a 1,5 Mbps? If i tell you that i decided to root my phone and tested and i get same great results as the other phone? The conclusion would be again, HTC is sending sand to its customers, and you'll be loosing one right here since you are not beeing honest. Experience with Android Rogers ROM is the REAL best experience i could ever have. I never had my internet lag again, i went to 6 Mbps speed at download (thats 4 times what i had before) . How is it even possible to not be recomended? HTC this info is beeing shared by everyone with HTC magics. I'm sure you are all receiving same emails as i am. I'm just speaking in a forum about this. XDA Forum, please do check at HTC Magic section it because i'm really sad you are working in a such unhonored manner. Thank you again for the replys. Best regards, Jorge Pereira
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I hope by this i can get a petition where everyone complains and HTC really releases an european edition. Would be great to get a European Radio edition and other things. Anyways Thank you everyone wich tries with me

you should really try to get something proofread or just use you native language when filing formal complaints.
on the other hand, yes it does suck that you havent gotten an update, but they never said it would be updated. you should look into a custom rom.

but the thing is. ROgers has an official update great for android. Wich has HTC hand. What more proof do we need?

jgcaap said:
but the thing is. ROgers has an official update great for android. Wich has HTC hand. What more proof do we need?
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He's referring to grammar, spelling and punctuation. Companies are less likely to take you seriously when you have sentences such as:
"Just wish to point out with me is a client wich you'll loose."
What?
"Everyone wich has a rooted phone..."
I'm thinking maybe the word that would be more appropriate.
"Is from your official site:"
How about "This is from your official site"
Look, when you are writing something important you want it to sound important otherwise they are less likely to understand it as such. This is unless your about ten years and writing to Fisher-Price.

Sony Ericsson bootloader unlocker

Sony Ericsson has kept to their promise of providing an easy way to unlock their Android phones, and today marks the launch of the official bootloader unlocker website. The website that provides official instructions on how SE Android phone users can unlock their bootloader is now live. Modders, developers and users will be pleased to know that they won’t have to go through complicated rooting processes anymore just to gain full control of their phones. Unfortunately not all SE Android phones can be unlocked this way though. Only Sony Ericsson phones that have been released this year and aren’t SIM-locked or customized by their carriers can use this method. Take note that it might also void your warranty, so make sure you know what you’re getting yourself into before attempting anything. Head over to the bootloader unlocking site for the full instructions.
http://unlockbootloader.sonyericsson.com/instructions
No X10 support Good news for the future..

You ****ing pissing me off its qwadrylions time posted subject with se unlocker in this forum is search button or just read god damn first page !
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Yes please use the search and check at what time the initial news came forth..
This is XDA isn't it obvious that some one would have already said something..?
Already been discussed in another thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1034164

Oeps, overexcited My bad!

its a bad news for x10 owners...no need to get excited lol...

HTC is going to unlock bootloaders

Hi, i just read this at the htc facebook page:
There has been overwhelmingly
customer feedback that people want
access to open bootloaders on HTC
phones. I want you to know that we've
listened. Today, I'm confirming we will
no longer be locking the bootloaders
on our devices. Thanks for your
passion, support and patience," Peter
Chou, CEO of HTC

That is a good thing. But the announcement is for future phones. No official news about the old ones with locked bootloaders.

stuffynet said:
That is a good thing. But the announcement is for future phones. No official news about the old ones with locked bootloaders.
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+1 they will free bootloader in they new devices like sensation the older devices like wildfire wil still lock (the unlock older devices is bad for htc marketing and will decrease the selling on they new devices)
ok no prob i will drop the wilfire an i will buy somthing from samung or lg...
htc has no respect for customers ok htc if you dont unlock older phones too i will walk... they are many fishes out there......
(sorry for bad english)

egodemis said:
+1 they will free bootloader in they new devices like sensation the older devices like wildfire wil still lock (the unlock older devices is bad for htc marketing and will decrease the selling on they new devices)
ok no prob i will drop the wilfire an i will buy somthing from samung or lg...
htc has no respect for customers ok htc if you dont unlock older phones too i will walk... they are many fishes out there......
(sorry for bad english)
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Lets be fair, i don't see how 'as you put it' (the unlock older devices is bad for htc marketing and will decrease the selling on they new devices) is true.
And while i do not know, perhaps there not unlocking older phones because logistically they can't, i mean can it be done with a simple downloadable software upgrade? or would they need to modify each phone individually, and if so who in there right mind would expect them to do that?
HTC have said they will stop locking the boot loaders and if that is the case they deserve credit for that, at least they do listen to there customers, many others are to arrogant to.
my respect for HTC has been restored.

Les1976 said:
And while i do not know, perhaps there not unlocking older phones because logistically they can't, i mean can it be done with a simple downloadable software upgrade? or would they need to modify each phone individually, and if so who in there right mind would expect them to do that?
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Mostly it can be done with an ota update. Because they had their signature. Im not 100% sure of it.
Or atleast, it can be done by some extra software provided by them. But if they wish to unlock wildfire, then definitely it will not be a harder process for them. And moreover it will not take much time also for them to unlock.
It is more of a decision to unlock than the process to unlock.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

bharatgaddameedi said:
Mostly it can be done with an ota update. Because they had their signature. Im not 100% sure of it.
Or atleast, it can be done by some extra software provided by them. But if they wish to unlock wildfire, then definitely it will not be a harder process for them. And moreover it will not take much time also for them to unlock.
It is more of a decision to unlock than the process to unlock.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
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I think if they want it , they ll do it. They have their own signature , so there ll not be any problem

Les1976 said:
And while i do not know, perhaps there not unlocking older phones because logistically they can't, i mean can it be done with a simple downloadable software upgrade? or would they need to modify each phone individually, and if so who in there right mind would expect them to do that?
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the only thing the mast do it's to compile a new ota update with new(some in act) bootloader without htc signature (unsigned bootloader)
5 minutes job for every locked phone
and is bad for htc to unlock old phone bevause with unlocked phone i will install a latest rom i will overclock and more and i will have this phone perhap for one more year.... the other if the old devices remain locked i will need to buy another device to meet my requirements.....
but htc made a one mistake in all situation yes i will buy a new phone... but no a htc phone... does not respect the consumer with policy to "leave older devices locked"
(soz again for bad english)

As the mather of fact, I beleve that they can just release the encription key they they use to sign there ROMs, making it posible to "sign" our own ROMs. So then they don't even have to modify every bootloader so that it doesn't check the signature.
But I don't blame htc for not doing it. They have already gained my respect by changing there policy so quickly (but perhaps even that was there intension the whole time: making us think that we forced something while it was already decided ), but a really don't expect them to do something that would cut in there fingers like that
But who knows, I didn't thought it would be possible to force htc' policy change so fast in the first place, so I do not realy have any rights to speak

ErwinP said:
As the mather of fact, I beleve that they can just release the encription key they they use to sign there ROMs, making it posible to "sign" our own ROMs. So then they don't even have to modify every bootloader so that it doesn't check the signature.
But who knows, I didn't thought it would be possible to force htc' policy change so fast in the first place, so I do not realy have any rights to speak
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I think we can expect them to release their signature/encryption key if they no longer use the signature check process in the upcoming devices. And if they need signature for any other things in upcoming devices they will have to create another signature increasing the encryption. And if signature is released mostly it helps to flash custom recovery only, i expect (don't know if custom recovery is flashed in this way with S-ON is the device rooted or not ?. I think not ). And here engineering the HBOOT is again risky (possibility of brick).
But eventhough i agree its not fair to ask htc for signature. And even if we attempt to ask them the signature, it is really a tougher job. I think almost impossible. And probably they might not be doing it because if it was released, everyone tries to do experiments using it and bricking their phones ultimately gathering all the phones at their service centers.

I just know from how I see it.
I bought a wildfire a cheap model to see what HTC was all about. It was my first android phone too. So I was wondering what I could do with it.
Heared a lot of interesting statements from others that had HTC phones.
Then I wanted to do a little more with my phone. change how it looks and so on. Guess what I could not.
This results in HTC failing to convince me to buy another model in the fututre as I know what I want to do can be done if I buy another brand.
So keeping the older bootloaders locked = no future sales for HTC going my way.
So keeping older bootloaders locked will in fackt not increase sales on fututre phones.

kjeerik said:
I just know from how I see it.
I bought a wildfire a cheap model to see what HTC was all about. It was my first android phone too. So I was wondering what I could do with it.
Heared a lot of interesting statements from others that had HTC phones.
Then I wanted to do a little more with my phone. change how it looks and so on. Guess what I could not.
This results in HTC failing to convince me to buy another model in the fututre as I know what I want to do can be done if I buy another brand.
So keeping the older bootloaders locked = no future sales for HTC going my way.
So keeping older bootloaders locked will in fackt not increase sales on fututre phones.
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my friend didnt buy a htc only because the bootloader was locket.
so i thinnk it actually will increase sales

Good News Guys :D

I just spoke with HTC support andddddddddddd......
HTC will provide us with a bootloader unlocking software!!!
GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!
‎”There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we’ve listened. Today, I’m confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience,” Peter Chou, CEO of HTC
Support this : http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/
What is the point of this?
The idea of this is to convince htc to unlock the bootloaders and disable the NAND protection on their phones
Why should I support this?
Unlocking the bootloader and disabling the NAND protection will allow users to keep their phones up to date using custom roms such as CM7.
P.S. HTC support is silly as always lol...)))

Well Done tzacapaca
you did great job! Good Friend
Hope will be everything Great!

great and good news! But maybe one problem, I not know it will be for windows phone, maybe it is only for linux phone?

munjeni said:
great and good news! But maybe one problem, I not know it will be for windows phone, maybe it is only for linux phone?
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when i asked the HTC support guy if it will be for HTC HD Mini also he said is for ALL HTC phones(read the attached chat print screen)
here is the link for chat http://www.htc.com/uk/support/online_service.html

one more chat screenshot
not too much help from him though,he didn't know the answer...lol
they should hire XDA developers!

Good news. This would be a way to have Android in NAND in the future.
Maybe that helps our developers with other things too.
But, tzacapaca, CM7 has nothing to do with the bootloader

codiak said:
Good news. This would be a way to have Android in NAND in the future.
Maybe that helps our developers with other things too.
But, tzacapaca, CM7 has nothing to do with the bootloader
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lol yeah,not for us with WM phones,anyway site where i got that from was for Android users

they will release early september

yes,good news.

schlund said:
they will release early september
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really?Hope it is true.

15131331231 said:
really?Hope it is true.
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We wanted to provide an update on HTC’s progress with bringing bootloader unlocking to our newest phones. We know how excited some of you are for this capability, and we’ve put significant resources behind making this change as soon as possible. While we wish we could flip a simple switch and unlock all bootloaders across our device portfolio, this is actually a complex challenge that requires a new software build and extensive testing to deliver the best possible customer experience.
We’re thrilled to announce today that software updates to support bootloader unlocking will begin rolling out in August for the global HTC Sensation, followed by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile USA and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. We’re in the testing phase for the unlocking capability now, and we expect it to be fully operational by early September for devices that have received the software updates. We’ll continue rolling out the unlocking capability over time to other devices as part of maintenance releases and new shipments.
HTC continues its commitment to unlocking bootloaders and supporting the developer community. Because of the importance of this community to us, please expect an update on this about every few weeks as we make progress toward launch. Thank you for your patience and continued support!
source: https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150305151453084

I hope the old HTC devices, like our HD mini, will have this unlock, too!!

Yes! Otherwise we will do it ourselve
Sent from my HTC Photon using XDA App

Schlund for president!

HTC continues its commitment to unlocking bootloaders and supporting the developer community
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we waiting qualcomm msm7227 and all on chip specs ...(more .pdf)

so great~~~！！

I'm a little confused on this one... I just contacted HTC, and they told me in the chat that HTC HD MINI bootloaderIS unlocked??? And ow yeah, "he's afraid he can't help us with porting Android" it was worth asking

_Madmatt said:
I'm a little confused on this one... I just contacted HTC, and they told me in the chat that HTC HD MINI bootloaderIS unlocked??? And ow yeah, "he's afraid he can't help us with porting Android" it was worth asking
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Htc guy probably smoked something before
Lol @ ur 2nd question..he answered me the same, then I corrected him..bootloader isn't unlocked

Maybe asking for RSA signing key? I've hex edited my spl in memory trying to change RSA modulus inside and yes I changed one, but spl have 3 inside hehhe, I not know what other 2 have use. so I think maybe HTC help here? If we found (htc non public photon RSA rom signing key) we have unlocked all! Or if we found info for what use is all 3 RSA inside spl we will unlock spl!

hello
i'm asking one question:i want to know that when come android nand for htc hd mini
i dont bear any patience
please munjeni,build nand android very quickly,please please
thanks for efforts