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Donut/1.6 on HTC Hero

Hey Guys,
I was wondering that since Google is already sharing the Donut Love with G1's and Magic's when are we gonna see some Donut love for our lovely piece of Hardware we all know as HERO ...
I am guessing Htc is working on the 1.6 SDK provided by Google to integrate it with ROSIE, but i am thinking the Developers here are alot faster than the guys and HTC.
So can we get a Rosie with 1.6 which is rooted ofcourse but nothing else... no other modifications i mean.
Respect to all.
Cheeers

nadeemhasnaat said:
Hey Guys,
I was wondering that since Google is already sharing the Donut Love with G1's and Magic's when are we gonna see some Donut love for our lovely piece of Hardware we all know as HERO ...
I am guessing Htc is working on the 1.6 SDK provided by Google to integrate it with ROSIE, but i am thinking the Developers here are alot faster than the guys and HTC.
So can we get a Rosie with 1.6 which is rooted ofcourse but nothing else... no other modifications i mean.
Respect to all.
Cheeers
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Good question, I would love to see that as well... BUT I suppose it is not possible without the kernel sourse, unless Sprint's Hero comes out with 1.6 and then its ROM is ported to our European Heros. That's up to the devs!

Well the Sprint Hero HAS to come with Donut... It's CDMA, and that's only supported in Donut, so I'm almost 100% positive it will ship with Donut.

chaoscentral said:
Well the Sprint Hero HAS to come with Donut... It's CDMA, and that's only supported in Donut, so I'm almost 100% positive it will ship with Donut.
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That was what I thought. But Joshua @ Engadget told me that their Sprint Hero review unit only has Android 1.5 on it. Well, Android 1.6 added support for CDMA does not necessarily mean that one cannot write a driver for Android 1.5 to support CDMA.
But anyway, I do think that it is almost likely that HTC will release a 1.6 update for the Hero in a not too distance future.

The Google experience G1s and Magics are purely that - stock Cupcake ROMs. The Hero presents a slight challenge as HTC put a lot of love into the ROM, with the addition of SenseUI. Hopefully, it won't take that long to cook a Donut ROM with SenseUI, but just making the transition of the great innovations from HTC for the Hero will be the stumbling block for a Donut-based ROM.

HTC Response to my Donut question.
I asked when they'd release a ROM using Dognut ( 1.6 ) for the Hero.
Their reply:
Good Morning, HTC do not release the ROM updates. Google do. If you have any questions relating thier operating system, the updates, its benefits and release dates please visit www.android.com for further support. Here at HTC, we manufacture the hardware on the device and release hotfixes for when reported bugs needs resolution. If you have a technical support related query regarding the device, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Kind Regards, HTC Europe
This has constantly been my experience with HTC - ask them a question and they say contact Google.

J-Zeus said:
I asked when they'd release a ROM using Dognut ( 1.6 ) for the Hero.
Their reply:
Good Morning, HTC do not release the ROM updates. Google do. If you have any questions relating thier operating system, the updates, its benefits and release dates please visit www.android.com for further support. Here at HTC, we manufacture the hardware on the device and release hotfixes for when reported bugs needs resolution. If you have a technical support related query regarding the device, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Kind Regards, HTC Europe
This has constantly been my experience with HTC - ask them a question and they say contact Google.
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Man thats so frustrating innit. I am sure if we ask google, they wont comment either coz our hero is not with "GOOGLE EXPERIENCE" ..... what a load of cr*p
well i actually snooped around and heard a couple of ppl say that it should not be a difficult task for HTC to induce Rosie into 1.6, infact one of them even said " should be a peice of cake" so i am a hopless optimist and hopefully it'll be sent as an OTA upgrade or " HOTFIX " by HTC soon...
I'll call HTC too and see if i can get any more info out

update
Just got off the phone with a customer support officer from HTC UK. And she said that while they dont have the exact date on when HTC will issue and update bundled with Donut, It is under works and will be sooner rather than later..... now the waiting games begin

correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.6 doesn't bring that much for us Hero owners right? When the first announcements came I looked through the "Whats new" list and I didn't start shouting from excitement

dipje said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.6 doesn't bring that much for us Hero owners right? When the first announcements came I looked through the "Whats new" list and I didn't start shouting from excitement
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well the only notable improvement might be of the speed and performance, although google didn't shout about it so i m thinking it'll be minimalistic ... however detailed battery usage, universal search and test to speech are a few things i wouldn't mind having....
But actually for me its just about getting the latest updates on the Android flagship device...

dipje said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.6 doesn't bring that much for us Hero owners right? When the first announcements came I looked through the "Whats new" list and I didn't start shouting from excitement
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One benefit will be being able to run any future apps that require 1.6 (use 1.6-specific API features). We already have apps that run only on 1.5 or higher...

system-wide search feature would be nice...

I'm not sure if anyone has noticed this, but I signed up to point it out:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/tattoo/specification.html
http://developer.htc.com/htc_tattoo_developer.html
The Tattoo will be shipping with Android 1.6, and it uses the Sense UI. That should mean that it isn't too far off for the Hero.

Looks promising! and the Tatoo is Due to launch orange UK this month

VPN and Global search are the two main features I am most excited about in the Donut

It's supposed to be faster also.

Does 1.6 not also include the improved App Store for Android?

mjames_84 said:
Does 1.6 not also include the improved App Store for Android?
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yes it does

http://drop.io/g1i9pj0 hero is getting donut....you might also be getting a snapdragon hero.

I installed donut on my girlfriends g1 yesterday and it seemed much faster than cupcake.

htc hd2 might not get WinMo 6.5.3 as upgrade from htc

New Response From [ Teeva (UK - Ireland Support (Tech)) ]
Dear Customer
Thank you for contacting HTC
The HTC HD2 was released to the market with the Windows Mobile 6.5 operating system. HTC is unable to confirm that this or any device will receive a future firmware update which will involve an upgrade to the operating system.
We are excited about future developments and are working closely with many partners and will post further information on our website.
We are unable to comment further on current developments in mobile technology. Please review the latest news announcement below regarding Windows Phone 7 Series:
Best Regards,

winmo7 said:
New Response From [ Teeva (UK - Ireland Support (Tech)) ]
Dear Customer
Thank you for contacting HTC
The HTC HD2 was released to the market with the Windows Mobile 6.5 operating system. HTC is unable to confirm that this or any device will receive a future firmware update which will involve an upgrade to the operating system.
We are excited about future developments and are working closely with many partners and will post further information on our website.
We are unable to comment further on current developments in mobile technology. Please review the latest news announcement below regarding Windows Phone 7 Series:
Best Regards,
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The cup is half full or half empty. Based on the respons from HTC, the title of your post might as well be " htc hd2 might get WinMo 6.5.3 as upgrade from htc"

This kind of question never gets answered, neither positive neither negative. Meaningless.

Honestly, 6.5.3 was made JUST for devices like the HD2. If they don't give it WM7 they have to give it 6.5.3. In any case, i don't care, i am running 6.5.3 either way. Only issue is the dialer, which at one point they will fix on another device anyways!

firaX said:
Honestly, 6.5.3 was made JUST for devices like the HD2. If they don't give it WM7 they have to give it 6.5.3. In any case, i don't care, i am running 6.5.3 either way. Only issue is the dialer, which at one point they will fix on another device anyways!
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I expect it is already fixed on the HD mini. (which I have seen running a 5.2.23101 build on a video)

as long as they give WP7, i will be happy

Why would you want to get 6.5.3 when you can get wm7

well thats what we hope..

Just a very standard reply from official... to avoid any problem.
No point, no content.

xmoo said:
Why would you want to get 6.5.3 when you can get wm7
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=634048

Same as ever: Companies using the Schrödinger's cat policy. Wait and see.
Every mail related to HD2 updates said:
Dear customer,
Thank you for contacting HTC.
The HTC HD2 was made to support Windows Mobile 6.5 and released as such. I am a technical support operative, charged to check if your phone has any problems, try to repair them remotely by giving you instructions, and in case I fail, eventually have it returned to the factory for physical repairs.
I cannot get any information related to the development of the HTC HD2 operating system at this time, as I'm not a developer and do not have proper clearance to escalate this issue and ask, and I honestly do not give a damn.
If we do plan to provide upgrades to a newer version of the operating system, then I cannot know at this time. Maybe we do. Maybe we don't. For more information about this issue, please buy a plane ticket to Taoyuan, Taiwan, and ask our headquarters directly.
[Insert propaganda about how HTC is always doing its best to satisfy the customer's needs]
Best regards.
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xmoo said:
Why would you want to get 6.5.3 when you can get wm7
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Why would you want minmo 7 when they have no confirmed no backward softeware compatability..!
I doubt HTC will release any OS updates for the HD2, they dont unless stated when the device is released, generally.

Yunabeco said:
Same as ever: Companies using the Schrödinger's cat policy. Wait and see.
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Just using a get-out "claws" (clause)! Never mind WM 6.5.3 or WM7 - is the cat alive or dead?

stoolzo said:
I doubt HTC will release any OS updates for the HD2, they dont unless stated when the device is released, generally.
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That's true, but 6.5.3 will be a super incremental upgrade so there is some hoping. 6.5 itself was a stopgap, so 6.5.3 can't be anything more than something incremental that any other company like Apple or Palm would provide OTA for free.
They never even announced 6.5.3, right? It just sort of started appearing on devices about two weeks ago.
I'm hoping the next ROM update for the HD2 might be 6.5.3... I haven't been able to find a truly clean ROM here, even the lite ROMs seem to have a few extra things 'snuck' in. A clean and official 6.5.3 with the simple black theme like the HD Mini has would be great for me.
Anyway, WP7 isn't coming out for another 10 months at least and doesn't seem like the HD2 will get a successor until then either... would really be nice of HTC if they didn't abandon their flagship (WM) device already. Give us 6.5.3 please, it's basically just finishing what 6.5 started.

HTC Corportation Complain shared

Hello everyone. I'm here about the share something wich i do hope you all do something similer as i did. I'm very unhappy with HTC, and i really do hope to get HTC more respectfull for all its customers, and participants on turning this phone into a great smartphone.
Here have been the messages wich i've exchanged with HTC corporation and their replys on why doesnt HTC get an update on European firmware, and only on Rogers HTC.
ME: Hello. I just want to say i'm very disapointed with HTC. Rogers made up an update for HTC magic 2.1 android, and HTC isnt giving us one. Just wish to point out with me is a client wich you'll loose. I'm very sad with HTC, when you guys already replied to me that HTC magic wont have 2.1 android.
Best regards,
Jorge Pereira
HTC: Dear Mr. Pereira,
Thank you for contacting us,
We apologize for the inconvenience, however there is no information regarding the release of the 2.1 upgrade for the Rogers Magic on the HTC website.
Please note that any information that any information that do not come from the HTC website can only be regarded as rumors and speculation.
Please note that you can contact us via support line. For further details, please go to http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx, you'll find a toll free number that you can dial only from a landline.
Best Regards,
HTC Team
http://www.htc.com
ME: I'll be simple on the reply. Is from your official site:
HTC MAGIC (ROGERS) ÉCLAIR ROM UPDATE 3.54.631.3 | 09.08.2010
at: http://www.htc.com/ca/support/magic-rogers/downloads/
Already download it and tried to update. But was not possible giving id errror. So dont sent sand to my eyes, as i do not believe in you.
Everyone wich has a rooted phone, already flashed it. I want an official update as many HTC magic owners want.
Since there has been a very large lack of knowing where to find the official update, so that you might not say again its a rumour. http://www.htc.com/ca/support/h/magic-update The oficial update site from HTC. Very disapointed with HTC. Lying to its costumers. Never thought this would be a position HTC would have.
HTCear Mr. Pereira, Thank you for contacting us, We apologize for the earlier confusion, however, currently there is no plan to upgrade your phone to Android 2.1. The result of our analysis showed that an upgrade to your phone may impact the user experience and we ultimately decided that an upgrade was not recommended. Your phone will still receive support, and we thank you for your patience and understanding. Please note that you can contact us via support line . For further details, please go to http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx, you'll find a toll free number that you can dial only from a landline. Best Regards, HTC Team http://www.htc.com
ME: Why is it not recomended since rogers have exacly same HTC magic with same board same specs? And if i tell you that i already seen a rooted phone with 2.1 android oficial with Rogers version of android 2.1 workign much better than my 1.5 android? If i tell you that i can get in that android the maximum speed of my internet conection, and iwht my phone i'm limited to a 1,5 Mbps? If i tell you that i decided to root my phone and tested and i get same great results as the other phone? The conclusion would be again, HTC is sending sand to its customers, and you'll be loosing one right here since you are not beeing honest. Experience with Android Rogers ROM is the REAL best experience i could ever have. I never had my internet lag again, i went to 6 Mbps speed at download (thats 4 times what i had before) . How is it even possible to not be recomended? HTC this info is beeing shared by everyone with HTC magics. I'm sure you are all receiving same emails as i am. I'm just speaking in a forum about this. XDA Forum, please do check at HTC Magic section it because i'm really sad you are working in a such unhonored manner. Thank you again for the replys. Best regards, Jorge Pereira
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I hope by this i can get a petition where everyone complains and HTC really releases an european edition. Would be great to get a European Radio edition and other things. Anyways Thank you everyone wich tries with me

you should really try to get something proofread or just use you native language when filing formal complaints.
on the other hand, yes it does suck that you havent gotten an update, but they never said it would be updated. you should look into a custom rom.

but the thing is. ROgers has an official update great for android. Wich has HTC hand. What more proof do we need?

jgcaap said:
but the thing is. ROgers has an official update great for android. Wich has HTC hand. What more proof do we need?
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He's referring to grammar, spelling and punctuation. Companies are less likely to take you seriously when you have sentences such as:
"Just wish to point out with me is a client wich you'll loose."
What?
"Everyone wich has a rooted phone..."
I'm thinking maybe the word that would be more appropriate.
"Is from your official site:"
How about "This is from your official site"
Look, when you are writing something important you want it to sound important otherwise they are less likely to understand it as such. This is unless your about ten years and writing to Fisher-Price.

HTC is going to unlock bootloaders

Hi, i just read this at the htc facebook page:
There has been overwhelmingly
customer feedback that people want
access to open bootloaders on HTC
phones. I want you to know that we've
listened. Today, I'm confirming we will
no longer be locking the bootloaders
on our devices. Thanks for your
passion, support and patience," Peter
Chou, CEO of HTC

That is a good thing. But the announcement is for future phones. No official news about the old ones with locked bootloaders.

stuffynet said:
That is a good thing. But the announcement is for future phones. No official news about the old ones with locked bootloaders.
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+1 they will free bootloader in they new devices like sensation the older devices like wildfire wil still lock (the unlock older devices is bad for htc marketing and will decrease the selling on they new devices)
ok no prob i will drop the wilfire an i will buy somthing from samung or lg...
htc has no respect for customers ok htc if you dont unlock older phones too i will walk... they are many fishes out there......
(sorry for bad english)

egodemis said:
+1 they will free bootloader in they new devices like sensation the older devices like wildfire wil still lock (the unlock older devices is bad for htc marketing and will decrease the selling on they new devices)
ok no prob i will drop the wilfire an i will buy somthing from samung or lg...
htc has no respect for customers ok htc if you dont unlock older phones too i will walk... they are many fishes out there......
(sorry for bad english)
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Lets be fair, i don't see how 'as you put it' (the unlock older devices is bad for htc marketing and will decrease the selling on they new devices) is true.
And while i do not know, perhaps there not unlocking older phones because logistically they can't, i mean can it be done with a simple downloadable software upgrade? or would they need to modify each phone individually, and if so who in there right mind would expect them to do that?
HTC have said they will stop locking the boot loaders and if that is the case they deserve credit for that, at least they do listen to there customers, many others are to arrogant to.
my respect for HTC has been restored.

Les1976 said:
And while i do not know, perhaps there not unlocking older phones because logistically they can't, i mean can it be done with a simple downloadable software upgrade? or would they need to modify each phone individually, and if so who in there right mind would expect them to do that?
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Mostly it can be done with an ota update. Because they had their signature. Im not 100% sure of it.
Or atleast, it can be done by some extra software provided by them. But if they wish to unlock wildfire, then definitely it will not be a harder process for them. And moreover it will not take much time also for them to unlock.
It is more of a decision to unlock than the process to unlock.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

bharatgaddameedi said:
Mostly it can be done with an ota update. Because they had their signature. Im not 100% sure of it.
Or atleast, it can be done by some extra software provided by them. But if they wish to unlock wildfire, then definitely it will not be a harder process for them. And moreover it will not take much time also for them to unlock.
It is more of a decision to unlock than the process to unlock.
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I think if they want it , they ll do it. They have their own signature , so there ll not be any problem

Les1976 said:
And while i do not know, perhaps there not unlocking older phones because logistically they can't, i mean can it be done with a simple downloadable software upgrade? or would they need to modify each phone individually, and if so who in there right mind would expect them to do that?
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the only thing the mast do it's to compile a new ota update with new(some in act) bootloader without htc signature (unsigned bootloader)
5 minutes job for every locked phone
and is bad for htc to unlock old phone bevause with unlocked phone i will install a latest rom i will overclock and more and i will have this phone perhap for one more year.... the other if the old devices remain locked i will need to buy another device to meet my requirements.....
but htc made a one mistake in all situation yes i will buy a new phone... but no a htc phone... does not respect the consumer with policy to "leave older devices locked"
(soz again for bad english)

As the mather of fact, I beleve that they can just release the encription key they they use to sign there ROMs, making it posible to "sign" our own ROMs. So then they don't even have to modify every bootloader so that it doesn't check the signature.
But I don't blame htc for not doing it. They have already gained my respect by changing there policy so quickly (but perhaps even that was there intension the whole time: making us think that we forced something while it was already decided ), but a really don't expect them to do something that would cut in there fingers like that
But who knows, I didn't thought it would be possible to force htc' policy change so fast in the first place, so I do not realy have any rights to speak

ErwinP said:
As the mather of fact, I beleve that they can just release the encription key they they use to sign there ROMs, making it posible to "sign" our own ROMs. So then they don't even have to modify every bootloader so that it doesn't check the signature.
But who knows, I didn't thought it would be possible to force htc' policy change so fast in the first place, so I do not realy have any rights to speak
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I think we can expect them to release their signature/encryption key if they no longer use the signature check process in the upcoming devices. And if they need signature for any other things in upcoming devices they will have to create another signature increasing the encryption. And if signature is released mostly it helps to flash custom recovery only, i expect (don't know if custom recovery is flashed in this way with S-ON is the device rooted or not ?. I think not ). And here engineering the HBOOT is again risky (possibility of brick).
But eventhough i agree its not fair to ask htc for signature. And even if we attempt to ask them the signature, it is really a tougher job. I think almost impossible. And probably they might not be doing it because if it was released, everyone tries to do experiments using it and bricking their phones ultimately gathering all the phones at their service centers.

I just know from how I see it.
I bought a wildfire a cheap model to see what HTC was all about. It was my first android phone too. So I was wondering what I could do with it.
Heared a lot of interesting statements from others that had HTC phones.
Then I wanted to do a little more with my phone. change how it looks and so on. Guess what I could not.
This results in HTC failing to convince me to buy another model in the fututre as I know what I want to do can be done if I buy another brand.
So keeping the older bootloaders locked = no future sales for HTC going my way.
So keeping older bootloaders locked will in fackt not increase sales on fututre phones.

kjeerik said:
I just know from how I see it.
I bought a wildfire a cheap model to see what HTC was all about. It was my first android phone too. So I was wondering what I could do with it.
Heared a lot of interesting statements from others that had HTC phones.
Then I wanted to do a little more with my phone. change how it looks and so on. Guess what I could not.
This results in HTC failing to convince me to buy another model in the fututre as I know what I want to do can be done if I buy another brand.
So keeping the older bootloaders locked = no future sales for HTC going my way.
So keeping older bootloaders locked will in fackt not increase sales on fututre phones.
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my friend didnt buy a htc only because the bootloader was locket.
so i thinnk it actually will increase sales

Guys, is this True?

HTC promised no more locking the bootloaders on HTC devices:
Finally Android Fans and HTC customer won! After HTC decided to locking the EVO 3D’s boot-loader, they got huge feedback from users that the company just making it’s customers disappointed. Finally HTC realized they shouldn’t really locked the bootloader. The unlocked bootloader alow users to put custom ROM the way they want it be on their device. On a post at Facebook page company’s CEO Peter Chou said:
There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we’ve listened. Today, I’m confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience.
Though we don’t have any info yet, if HTC will also provide some sort of way to Unlock the Bootloader for those devices already locked or they just won’t lock the bootloader on upcoming devices. Hope it will work out well. Stay tuned with us at Facebook and Twitter to keep yourself updated on latest HTC News. source.
This is posted here:http://www.androidgod.net/2011/05/27/htc-promised-no-more-locking-the-bootloaders-on-htc-devices/

I don't really get it how they could unlock the bootloader of the HD2 even more than it is now

This doesn't apply for the hd2

cant we get HTC to now make an Official Android ROM for our phone !!!

Theyre not going to pay or "waste" their employees' times by making us an official android rom on a almost two year old device that has android ready already.
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