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Guys,
All of you owning a HTC Wildfire (Buzz) or any other HTC Android phone, go to the support page and sent the following email:
Dear HTC Support,
As you will not release more updates to the Wildfire and I will not be able to buy a new phone after using the phone for just 9 Months, is there any possibility that I (or even better: the community) can get an unlocked bootloader to install custom roms for the HTC Wildfire?
I do understand that you will try to force people to buy new HTC phones but not everyone can afford a new phone after 12Months and since the hardware is still up to date and running perfectly fine it should be possible to install customized roms to enhance the Wildfire (or any other) experience. I'm totally aware that this would void any warranty and support for the phone but as there is no more updates it doesn't matter anyway.
Wouldn't it make a much more positive company image if you would allow to do so? I will defentively only consider a customizable phone for the next one I buy and I would be very sad if HTC would not be on the list of possibilities.
Hope I can get a positive feedback from you guys and I do hope you understand my side and the rest of all of those freaks out there doing incredible things with your briliant hardware and software!
This would increas HTC popularity for sure and is also a fact for selling more phones than your competitors (SonyEricsson, Motorola).
Kind regards
YOURNAME
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If my english is not good enough feel free to rewrite the text but keep the same information to make sure the recognize that multiple users are sending these requests.
Maybe this helps to put some pressure on them as we are their customers spend our money to them and try to get the same as the community could do for the Motorola phones.
Unfortunately I'm not yet allowed to add any hyperlinks to the post and therefore the url to the world wide support form of HTC can't be posted by me...*sorry* (Anyone can do a followup post including the link?)
Thanks
Linuxcrash
Waste of time, if you send it to support or anything.
Support team just bins this kind of things.
ill try even this... sent
There is already a signing compaign started. First raise the number of signs in that and later we can think of complaint letters. First we need to know how many people will support it, so that if decent number of people (like thousands) support we can make a single complaint (of all the people) at a time, which will be more powerful. These individual complaints by people will never be bothered by htc for sure. And moreover these individual complaints gets splitted based on different countries, as each country has its specific support website. And splitting up these compaign processes will affect both of processes.
we can really expect the decent number of signs if everyone properly shares the link. Because while signing one need not create website user id.
link to the signing compaign : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050222
I think it still is worth doing it.
I do agree that we should concentrate on the list but still just sending a complaint does not cost much and might raise a little of awareness.
If we have these multiple channels of communication we just need to use them and on one of them it might be heard
Even if those different support guys trash it, they might discuss this during a meeting or even during their break and if there are enough people talking about it, the complaints might go to the right person.
I see this here in my company aswell. If customers would complain more about the situation it, would probably have an influence later.
Keep on spreading "awareness" ...
Actually they didn't lock the bootloader accidentally. Its a planned thing to sell their newer wildfire S (which will be the mid range htc android phone). And they will continue to lock every htc android phone. I don't expect they will unlock it even if wildfire S gets outdated. Making others aware of not buying the locked htc phones will have some effect.
Anyhow i agree that it should be worth a try. Having a try will not cost us anything. But most probably, this will be considered as a spam. And i have sent the mail to support this. I used the worldwide htc support website to do this. And why don't we try to learn something, share our ideas, and try to root the wildfire..
Indeed I think it's pointless to send this request to HTC.
It is clearly a corporate strategy to lock their devices and make more turnover by selling new types over shorter periods of time.
It's just about the money and not about the users
Actually they do not really treat it as spam but at least do not answer positively..
.Got 2 answers back from HTC support telling me that they will never allow customers to install custom rom on their phones. But wait what happens if at one time they get massive (hope there are enough freaks/geeks out there) requests to allow it??
Therefore I agree with you but still keep asking doesnt cost anything and you never know what can happen.
In the meantime we definitively should keep trying to root the phone in any available way.
Henkdrenth said:
Indeed I think it's pointless to send this request to HTC.
It is clearly a corporate strategy to lock their devices and make more turnover by selling new types over shorter periods of time.
It's just about the money and not about the users
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Surely they may unlock.it to compete with sony erricson (who i am not happy with for losing my psn data) and motorola
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e-mail reply
Reply: From HTC [email protected]
"Thank you for contacting HTC.
In regards to your enquiry, you can kindly recieve the FOTA upgrade to the 2.2 android(Froyo) version, simply by going to menu > settings > about phone > system software updates > check now.
The maximum version that the wildfire phone can get upgraded to in version 2.2
We do not force customers to buy new phones Sir, as we do provide upgrades and updates for the phones as soon as possible.
Unfortunately Sir we cannot provide you with information about an unlocked bootloader to install custom roms,as this is an illegal process ,and will affect the warranty of the phone."
Illegal? http://www.androidphonegeek.com/2010/07/rooting-your-phone-now-100-legal
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brilldoctor said:
Illegal?
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This is simply a response from htc support a question. Do not expect it to be a clever answer. These things are not decided by people who meet these emails. A people who have to answer them do not care about it. Because they have a plan of work that followed, but it is quite clear that it does not include S = off for Wildfire. We just do traffic in the forum of XDA. Nothing more we can do with HTC at the official way!
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brilldoctor said:
Illegal? http://www.androidphonegeek.com/2010/07/rooting-your-phone-now-100-legal
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Actually, even if it is legal, their intentions will not support it. If we can see those "100% legal" in official websites of HTC or SE etc, we can confirm that it is legal.
The point is, we the geeks want it, need it, expect it, hope it to be legal.
How about google delaying the release of honeycomb source code. They intend to restrict the honeycomb to those devices which are manufactured with it.
And if people gets aware of locked botloaders, their market will be affected. Then they will manufacture the devices with root options. But people becoming aware never happens.....
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This is simply a response from htc support a question. Do not expect it to be a clever answer. These things are not decided by people who meet these emails. A people who have to answer them do not care about it. Because they have a plan of work that followed, but it is quite clear that it does not include S = off for Wildfire. We just do traffic in the forum of XDA. Nothing more we can do with HTC at the official way!
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Do not know English very well written - sorry
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I agree that these things are not decided by people who meet these emails, since all of us got the same replies.
And where are these guys with big brains. Im sure wildfire users with big brains are previously aware of not making the froyo ota update. In that case they will have a pre-rooted device and will not work on the rooting process..
And no updates of unrevoked regarding wildfire. Not sure whether they got the device, working, or not... Who else then......... Is it going to be like this forever.
bharatgaddameedi said:
I agree that these things are not decided by people who meet these emails, since all of us got the same replies.
And where are these guys with big brains. Im sure wildfire users with big brains are previously aware of not making the froyo ota update. In that case they will have a pre-rooted device and will not work on the rooting process..
And no updates of unrevoked regarding wildfire. Not sure whether they got the device, working, or not... Who else then......... Is it going to be like this forever.
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Business with HTC clip going strong since the update came out for Wildfire 2.2 Who manufactures these devices? If you are so s = off for people using this device will be less customers. Currently the only way is HTC clip - of which make any money, unlike unrevoked, which would make it more for glory than for money. Therefore I think that when willing to root through HTC clip fall, will appear and exploit for Wildfire. A first for low-end phones will also appear on the market in order to draw more money to compensate for the low price.
Another variant of the HTC negligence is simply silly to have received the update to 2.2 and now do not care (or shame them to fix the "error")
Anyway, can not do nothing but constantly picking and pray to the guys with "big brains" to say something about it. And if there is no way for S = off (or are not involved because they are arrogant and they like thousands of people to pray them every day for something) - at least to say it until the price of the phone is relatively good for sale yet ...
I just think everything is money and edification.
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Would it be possible to merge this with my campaign
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From my side it would even be a good thing to have all campaigns merged together and make it sticky so it stays at the top of the general board.
Any XDA-Board admin volunteer??
Thanks in advance
linuxcrash said:
From my side it would even be a good thing to have all campaigns merged together and make it sticky so it stays at the top of the general board.
Any XDA-Board admin volunteer??
Thanks in advance
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+1 on that
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Additional effect .....
Im expecting this is the right time to even go with this additional email campaign process. This should definitely give some boost now.
What do everyone think.
Just thought I would dive in and drop a link for anyone that is yet to comment..
And yes, it does belong in the dev section
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
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My personal opinion is, I don't think they will go through with it. HTC has always been the number one developers phone for the longest time and they'll probably realize that before releasing a phone with a locked bootloader. I'm just saying if they did, I have NO idea what I would do. I can't stand any other manufacturers way of creating phones so I guess I'd be chillin with my Inspire till someone cracked one of the nicer/newer HTC phones. what would you do? I can't EVER see myself using a stock phone just to stay up to date on phone releases.
This is bad....
Evo 3D to have locked-down bootloader
I hope this is old news
motoman234 said:
My personal opinion is, I don't think they will go through with it. HTC has always been the number one developers phone for the longest time and they'll probably realize that before releasing a phone with a locked bootloader. I'm just saying if they did, I have NO idea what I would do. I can't stand any other manufacturers way of creating phones so I guess I'd be chillin with my Inspire till someone cracked one of the nicer/newer HTC phones. what would you do? I can't EVER see myself using a stock phone just to stay up to date on phone releases.
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honestly the galaxy s2(or variants of it) woould be my next choices, samsung is starting to pump out some nice phones. i still love htc more though. a locked bootloader= no deal for me
Nice one - Sony Ericsson made that announcement not long ago about opening the boot loader which made them very popular in the se world and now htc are doing it.
Its obviously just to be popular with consumers. Good news for htc
I just have a hint they will lift the locking of those boot loaders though I might still be sticking to the good old Sense UI whether it's locked or unlocked.
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honestly the galaxy s2(or variants of it) woould be my next choices, samsung is starting to pump out some nice phones. i still love htc more though. a locked bootloader= no deal for me
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The phones themselves aren't bad, its the being stuck to AOSP or TouchWiz that's a deal breaker for me. I had a Vibrant and got rid of it within a week of buying it due to being bored. That's just my opinion though, once your use to Sense, you can never go back. Especially since official Sense 3.0 is around the corner. If the Sensation isn't locked down then it'll be mine .
I had a milestone before... So I know well the bootloader lock policy...
At least HTC listen to their customers...
I think they will change the bootloader lock policy cause they are smart guys and they know that there are many many people who buy HTC cause they like the freedom of unlocked bootloader...
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Good. I had almost lost my hope of ever buying an Htc phone again.
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I wonder if it's a publicity stunt.
Hoping that the net effect of (announcing the locking of bootloader) + (announcing the unlocking of bootloader) = more fanbois (or fangurls).
Well, they already released some devices with locked bootloaders as the Thunderbolt or the Incredible S. Cracking the Thunderbolt was pure luck, Incredible is not yet cracked.
So, if they decide to KEEP the locked loader, i'm done with htc... Sad but true
I really like their phones but without the community they are nothing...
I can't see why HTC would go in the opposite direction to SE. Will not buy another HTC if this happens. I'll get a SE instead.
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It'll be their own peril for going against the community.
Everyone knows a geek or two these days... And guess who people turn to when they want to buy a phone?
LeeDroid said:
Just thought I would dive in and drop a link for anyone that is yet to comment..
And yes, it does belong in the dev section
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
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I'm sorry, did you "develop" their decision to think on their bootloader policy?
I believe this doesn't belong in development, as it isn't a development thread. However, I believe it is an IMPORTANT piece of info, it still doens't belong here.
Moved to General.
Handsets are subsidized. They have applications like amazon mp3 and sound hound for a reason.
Your carrier will edit the build with their own features and limitations.
The locked bootloader preserves these changes. An unlocked bootloader does not.
The sway of the modding community is minimal compared to the networks and people who pay for their software to be bundled.
if we see the end of locked bootloaders, then we will likely see an increase in purchase costs.
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Handsets are subsidized. They have applications like amazon mp3 and sound hound for a reason.
Your carrier will edit the build with their own features and limitations.
The locked bootloader preserves these changes. An unlocked bootloader does not.
The sway of the modding community is minimal compared to the networks and people who pay for their software to be bundled.
if we see the end of locked bootloaders, then we will likely see an increase in purchase costs.
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Most users don't root and install custom roms, remove system apps, etc even though they often have handsets with which they can. For this reason I fail to understand what point you are trying to make. Most people just use their phone out of the box for 2-3 years or more.
Enthusiasts on the other hand will often upgrade annually as finance permits because of our love and passion for new technology. We are often the early adopters and we are the ones who end up paying the higher initial price on new products. This translates to frequent repeat sales at higher margin for the manufacturer.
Even though we are a small subset of the community, the value of our business is disproportionately high. We are the ones who care about unlocked bootloaders, not joe average who upgrades every 3 years to a model which is already several months old. If Htc doesn't want our business it is their choice, we will vote with our wallets and buy SE, Samsung or something else we can hack.
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Handsets are subsidized. They have applications like amazon mp3 and sound hound for a reason.
Your carrier will edit the build with their own features and limitations.
The locked bootloader preserves these changes. An unlocked bootloader does not.
The sway of the modding community is minimal compared to the networks and people who pay for their software to be bundled.
if we see the end of locked bootloaders, then we will likely see an increase in purchase costs.
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I would not even use such provider specific software. So they can't loose money when i install a custom ROM.
PartTimeLegend said:
Handsets are subsidized. They have applications like amazon mp3 and sound hound for a reason.
Your carrier will edit the build with their own features and limitations.
The locked bootloader preserves these changes. An unlocked bootloader does not.
The sway of the modding community is minimal compared to the networks and people who pay for their software to be bundled.
if we see the end of locked bootloaders, then we will likely see an increase in purchase costs.
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First of all I should say that I see your point in the reasons of locking the bootloader. But the people who want unlocked bootloaders will most likely go with another manufacturer and the software companies that subsidize the phones will make no provit from those people no matter what. Carriers subsidize also the open bootloader phones, so it seems that this issue doesn't matter to them too much. The truth is that compared to all the people who buy phones, those who actually use the unlocked bootloader are very small percentage. Like with the iPhone and jailbreaking. So the decision of whether to lock the bootloader or not is purely a "political" one.
I think that the best solution is to ship the phones with locked bootloaders and to provide an unlocking tool which will void irreversibly the warranty and support, which HTC have every right to do as once unlocked you can install potentially damaging kernels e.g. overclocking to unreasonable frequencies and they can decline supporting software that's not their own.
Have you guys seen how much agro HTC get on their Facebook page its hilarious.
Of course its a publicity stunt, they don't want to have a bad name with consumers. Sony Ericsson made the same annoucement last month which gave them a good name.
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a petition has already gone up
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150305151453084&comments
Check that out. HTC is going to re-consider (unlocking) bootloaders! Great job on sending feedback to HTC !
If you dont have facebook account ill just paste what it says on official HTC page:
Update on Bootloaders
Author: HTC
Date: 25. May 2011 at 2:50
"Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon. Thank you for your interest, support and willingness to share your feedback."
the power of comunity
I hope they are serious about it and this not just a statement to please all. I would like my next phone to be an HTC since I am still not attracted by Samsung....
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http://wakeuphtc.blogspot.com/ check that out, I think its better to send personal letters to HTC than just to get some names in xda thread...
Yes they might be serious about that. This thing might be seriously effecting their sales of sensation, evo 3d, desire s, wildfire s, and other newer devices.
And there is another chance that they might be unlocking the newer devices alone keeping the older devices locked. Even if they have the opinion of unlocking every device, i think they will unlock the newer devices first to make the sales.
But i think these statements are not confirmative untill the devices are unlocked.
They are thinking about - but what are they doing?
should this ever happen to wildfire?
how long will this take?
Buldog said:
They are thinking about - but what are they doing?
should this ever happen to wildfire?
how long will this take?
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Read the statement, all info is there. If its not there, we dont know it
I read this on Facebook and this is good news indeed. I hope them "considering" means that steps will actually be taken.
Frankly, why would they do THAT?
People who have already bought a locked phone are not going to buy a new one when theirs get unlocked now, are they? No more money for HTC.
Unprotected bootloader means that bricked phones returns will increase. HTC will have to spend to replace these.
It makes no commercial sense to do so, as the people needing unlocked bootloaders represent, let's face it, a minority.
It would be nice, but pigs might fly before we see an official unlocked HBOOT.
n!k said:
Frankly, why would they do THAT?
People who have already bought a locked phone are not going to buy a new one when theirs get unlocked now, are they? No more money for HTC.
Unprotected bootloader means that bricked phones returns will increase. HTC will have to spend to replace these.
It makes no commercial sense to do so, as the people needing unlocked bootloaders represent, let's face it, a minority.
It would be nice, but pigs might fly before we see an official unlocked HBOOT.
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Unlocked bootloaders means that developers will work with HTC phones. Customers, who are developers, are better than those, who will use the phone just for calling etc.
I disagree with you.
I am sure that any developer who really wants to unlock their bootloader will have done so by now.
Unlocking the HBOOTs for the general public means that idiots (like me) are more likely to flash the wrong ROM (which I did) not because they are THAT stupid but because the choice of ROMs is wide enough to make a mistake, and the advice that is found on the internet forums is often confusing or misleading.
Frankly, I think that there is no need to unlock HBOOT / S-OFF as long as there is enough room for people to experiment in a non-destructive way with a functional recovery and the ability to flash custom firmwares. And to go back to stock.
But then it opens the world of the latest version of Android working on phones that were not meant for it; people would stick to their phone longer, which cannot be good for business.
For me, this statement by HTC is merely a way to say to their customers "Don't leave us for another brand with unlocked bootloaders", even though they clearly have no intention of unlocking the HBOOT.
Time will tell
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I am sure that any developer who really wants to unlock their bootloader will have done so by now.
Frankly, I think that there is no need to unlock HBOOT / S-OFF as long as there is enough room for people to experiment in a non-destructive way with a functional recovery and the ability to flash custom firmwares. And to go back to stock.
People who have already bought a locked phone are not going to buy a new one when theirs get unlocked now, are they? No more money for HTC.
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---It is not like all the developers are capable of unlocking the bootloader. Most of the developers will be tinkering with the apps and other os related software like themes, roms, kernels etc., . No one knows how many developers are working on wildfire root. There is a possibility that a developer who works on apps might have little/nil knowledge on how to unlock bootloader (and other security related things). And most of these developers might be using the developers phones like nexus s which are unlocked by default. And to my knowledge, all the wildfire developers must be aware (even in november 2010) that official froyo update to wildfire makes it hard to root. So, mostly as i expect developers will not be updating the phone and taking the risk. SORRY, i didn't mean to be disrespectful with developers. I will also not update to official froyo and take the risk if i were a developer before (but im not).
---Their motive in locking the hboot is to destroy the freedom of rooting and flashing custom recoveries. I dont think they will give an option like to flash the custom recoveries in a non destructive way. And that going back to the stock (from the phone itself) might require some additional protected phone space, which matters because wildfire has low phone memory. I never expect them to s-off my phone. I will be satisfied if they unlock the bootloader and give me an option to flash custom recovery. [And if i think that s-off as a serious issue, then i might go with the future alpharev or the paid xtc clip or some other future solutions if any.]
---And people will not buy a new phone from htc if they get unlocked by htc now. And will people buy a new locked phone from htc if theirs present phone is kept locked. In any way it affects htc. But it makes a difference if htc unlocks the newer phones and keeps the old phones locked.
n!k said:
Frankly, why would they do THAT?
People who have already bought a locked phone are not going to buy a new one when theirs get unlocked now, are they? No more money for HTC.
Unprotected bootloader means that bricked phones returns will increase. HTC will have to spend to replace these.
It makes no commercial sense to do so, as the people needing unlocked bootloaders represent, let's face it, a minority.
It would be nice, but pigs might fly before we see an official unlocked HBOOT.
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Actually it makes commercial sense to so. If HTC wants us to buy HTC phones ever again, they should unlock it.
Update on Bootloaders
https://twitter.com/#!/htc/status/90239767287037952
by HTC on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 at 7:50pm
Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon. Thank you for your interest, support and willingness to share your feedback.
**UPDATE**
We’ve listened. Check out the statement from our CEO, Peter Chou on HTC bootloaders. Click the link for more info. http://on.fb.me/iZXgkR
**UPDATE 7/10**
We wanted to provide an update on HTC’s progress with bringing bootloader unlocking to our newest phones. We know how excited some of you are for this capability, and we’ve put significant resources behind making this change as soon as possible. While we wish we could flip a simple switch and unlock all bootloaders across our device portfolio, this is actually a complex challenge that requires a new software build and extensive testing to deliver the best possible customer experience.
We’re thrilled to announce today that software updates to support bootloader unlocking will begin rolling out in August for the global HTC Sensation, followed by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile USA and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. We’re in the testing phase for the unlocking capability now, and we expect it to be fully operational by early September for devices that have received the software updates. We'll continue rolling out the unlocking capability over time to other devices as part of maintenance releases and new shipments.
HTC continues its commitment to unlocking bootloaders and supporting the developer community. Because of the importance of this community to us, please expect an update on this about every few weeks as we make progress toward launch. Thank you for your patience and continued support!
I hope that is all true but I wont hold my breath...
Software updates? Sounds like some strings are attached... I can't say that I'm surprised, with carriers charging for locked services like tethering. I personally do not use tethering or condone anything unethical (which could be interpreted as charging for tethering!). I just hope this is true so that I can develop without having to search for root, or buy a $400 Nexus.
Anyone else getting the feeling that this will take some of the fun out flashing?
They've got until October. If they haven't shown they are ready to provide an experience that "gets me" then.. then... something. Hopefully some great white whale of handset freedom will be available.
meh.....seems like a PR move more than anything , they ARE getting a lot of negative feedback from people, not to mention, this latest gingerbread release backfired on them...they tried to lock down devices , but seeing how bad the release went for a lot of EVo owners wich actually made people that have never rooted a phone , look to root theirs because they hate gingerbread unstability
personally, i wont hold my breath, and i doubt ill upgrade to the 3d.......september??? gimme a fkn' break!
Will unlocking the evo 3d effect the evo 4g or is that something we will have to wait for time to tell?
JackieBrown said:
Will unlocking the evo 3d effect the evo 4g or is that something we will have to wait for time to tell?
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That depends entirely on the root method...ie where the find the exploit. If it is gingerbread, itself, then it should work for us. If it is in some other place, like sense 3.0, then it wouldn't help us.
nebenezer said:
They've got until October. If they haven't shown they are ready to provide an experience that "gets me" then.. then... something. Hopefully some great white whale of handset freedom will be available.
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I gotcher white whale right here, buddy...
Notice the HTC statement does NOT address the Evo4G.
This could be the marketing strategy of future.
Release new phones with unlocked bootloaders,
OTA legacy phones to lock bootloader,
'you want root access, buy new phone'
scary thought...
Scary, but not absurd.
You don't think Sprint changing the policy on Premier users wasn't 100% about selling new phones or collecting more per month?? All in all, it was about boosting revenue collection.
I hope for you guys something is out by October, and look at it this way; I ran my Moment 100% Stock for 6 months before I even researched rooting. It wasn't so bad....
...'course, I'd never do THAT again!
HTC will never unlock the bootloader on the EVO. Thats why we need someone to root what we have now.
They will release unlocked boat loaders as maintenance releases, Evo won't be unlocked by HTC, I don't believe the EVo will get any more attention from HTC. They have moved on from it.
his bootloader information is geared to the sensation and 3d. So why is this thread in the evo 4g section
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HTC will never unlock the bootloader on the EVO. Thats why we need someone to root what we have now.
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Now now, we don't know that's true.
Of course, theres no proof... But it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know its all about money. QUOTE=mattykinsx;15586217]Now now, we don't know that's true.[/QUOTE]
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Of course, theres no proof... But it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know its all about money.
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I don't understand how NOT unlocking the bootloader would be money related?
The Evo is easily the top selling HTC phone ever and the third most selling phone in 2010.
It's in HTC's interest to make sure it's open for the millions that bought it.
It makes no sense to unlock the bootloader of a phone thats very near its eol, when not doing so will make people go to the newer unlocked devices. Thats how its about money. If they do unlock the bootloader on the evo it wont be til a while after the 3d and sensation get unlocked.
mattykinsx said:
I don't understand how NOT unlocking the bootloader would be money related?
The Evo is easily the top selling HTC phone ever and the third most selling phone in 2010.
It's in HTC's interest to make sure it's open for the millions that bought it.
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mikeyinid said:
It makes no sense to unlock the bootloader of a phone thats very near its eol, when not doing so will make people go to the newer unlocked devices. Thats how its about money. If they do unlock the bootloader on the evo it wont be til a while after the 3d and sensation get unlocked.
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But the Evo is the face of HTC now.
In fact, every phone since has been based on the design.
It's still the flagship as far as sales for HTC.
Just so you guys are aware, HTC will be releasing the unlocked bootloader as a software update to the newer crop of phones. The big problem is that the software has to go through the carriers BEFORE it will be released to the public.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/10/htc-rolling-out-unlocked-bootloaders-to-select-phones-in-august/
CDKJudoka said:
Just so you guys are aware, HTC will be releasing the unlocked bootloader as a software update to the newer crop of phones. The big problem is that the software has to go through the carriers BEFORE it will be released to the public.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/10/htc-rolling-out-unlocked-bootloaders-to-select-phones-in-august/
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Sprint won't have a problem, T-mobile might not have a problem.
At&t and Verizon customers are F-ed in the A.
But then again, they're used to that aren't they?
I currently own the galaxy s3 and am thinking about buying the htc one. One major thing that would influence my decision would be how htc is on supporting developers. Samsung has been known not to provide proper sources or whatever needed for aosp roms etc and that is something I have always hated about the s3. I was wondering if HTC does the same with their phones.
Jinsuke32 said:
I currently own the galaxy s3 and am thinking about buying the htc one. One major thing that would influence my decision would be how htc is on supporting developers. Samsung has been known not to provide proper sources or whatever needed for aosp roms etc and that is something I have always hated about the s3. I was wondering if HTC does the same with their phones.
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HTC does support developers in terms of having bootloader unlock. As you can see, the Android development section has many roms. BUT they are often late with kernel sources (as every company seems to be nowdays unfortunalety).
Compared to Samsung, HTC doesn't use their own processors, but rather Qualcomm's, which had much less problems staying GPL-compliant, plus they have Codeaurora, where processor-specific bugs get fixed quite fast.
If you want it, you should probably get it, as there is no sign of Samsung or HTC's policies changing.
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I currently own the galaxy s3 and am thinking about buying the htc one. One major thing that would influence my decision would be how htc is on supporting developers. Samsung has been known not to provide proper sources or whatever needed for aosp roms etc and that is something I have always hated about the s3. I was wondering if HTC does the same with their phones.
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Unlocked bootloader doesn't mean S-OFF, for this to come back, there are 2 solutions: To pray and to hope!
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If you want to see how HTC relates to the developer community, go to the HTC Vivid forum and poke around a lot of the older threads. That will tell you *everything* you need to know.
It took us forever to get S-OFF, and if you don't know what that means, it is an extra layer of security added to the phone that prevents you from flashing a boot.img from outside of fastboot. It also prevents you from flashing a radio, period. We had to physically short out a connector on the phones circuit board to achieve S-OFF and that only happened about a year after the phone's release. Being S-ON is extremely annoying...extremely.
I believe there were major problems getting anything CM-based to work on this phone for quite some time due to HTC embedding code that prevented customization. I believe it had something to do with the RIL or in-call volume or something. You'd have to look it up. It was a nightmare.
HTC has been recently pulling their RUUs off of 3rd party websites and threatening legal action against the site owners. That should tell you enough right there.
Suffices to say, HTC is terrible when it comes to their relationship with the dev community. So in the end, its all about what you want. If you get the One, you'll have to deal with the typical HTC bull**** that we have all had to deal with. If you get a Samsung with an Exynos, you'll have to deal with their typical bull****.
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Totally not true. The short circuit thingy to S-Off was way back 2011. On the One Series there's no need for those.
Also there's only 1 site that HTC took down and it's htcruu.com. The only reason why the took that down is because the site is using HTC's name & logo and obviously it does make sense.
In fact the ruu database is now again up and running and also fully intact here
http://androidfiles.org/ruu/
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If you want to see how HTC relates to the developer community, go to the HTC Vivid forum and poke around a lot of the older threads. That will tell you *everything* you need to know.
It took us forever to get S-OFF, and if you don't know what that means, it is an extra layer of security added to the phone that prevents you from flashing a boot.img from outside of fastboot. It also prevents you from flashing a radio, period. We had to physically short out a connector on the phones circuit board to achieve S-OFF and that only happened about a year after the phone's release. Being S-ON is extremely annoying...extremely.
I believe there were major problems getting anything CM-based to work on this phone for quite some time due to HTC embedding code that prevented customization. I believe it had something to do with the RIL or in-call volume or something. You'd have to look it up. It was a nightmare.
HTC has been recently pulling their RUUs off of 3rd party websites and threatening legal action against the site owners. That should tell you enough right there.
Suffices to say, HTC is terrible when it comes to their relationship with the dev community. So in the end, its all about what you want. If you get the One, you'll have to deal with the typical HTC bull**** that we have all had to deal with. If you get a Samsung with an Exynos, you'll have to deal with their typical bull****.
Sent from my HTC Vivid.
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So you mean that we wont get any source codes from htc like samsung?
Because of the lack of sources many sgs3 devs left all development for the sgs4.
And when there isint any source codes the cm10.1 roms will never be fully functional
Thats a shame
So dose of you who plans to have cm10.1 fully working should look somewhere else
People at htc are trying their best to release source code quicker and complete. They are already starting by selling the developer phone. But I have spoken to people at htc and there are people working there who are keen to get source code out on time.
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So i can buy a s4 because its qualcoom now who provides source codes dont they?
Riyal said:
Totally not true. The short circuit thingy to S-Off was way back 2011. On the One Series there's no need for those.
Also there's only 1 site that HTC took down and it's htcruu.com. The only reason why the took that down is because the site is using HTC's name & logo and obviously it does make sense.
In fact the ruu database is now again up and running and also fully intact here
http://androidfiles.org/ruu/
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Totally very true. Anybody who owns a Vivid must short out a contact point on the main board to achieve S-OFF. Just because you don't have to do this on last year's One line of phones doesn't mean you won't have to in the future. I was using this experience as an example of how difficult HTC has been with the developer community as of late. It seems you've missed the point of my argument entirely.
Again, your argument doesn't quite make a lot of sense here either. You're saying that HTC took down a dev website due to the website using their name and logo? If HTC went that far to just get them to stop using their name and logo, ie. threatening legal action and forcing them to shut down, that's like using a nuclear missile to kill an ant. And that shows how dev-unfriendly HTC has become.
Any way you look at it, HTC is becoming less and less friendly to the development community. Samsung is the same way. You can pick your poison there. If you want a dev-friendly phone, get a Sony.
bariz143 said:
So i can buy a s4 because its qualcoom now who provides source codes dont they?
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Like I said, Samsung has its own issues with source codes, etc. I'm not sure how the GS4 with the Snapdragon chip will play out with the dev community because its only now becoming even remotely available to consumers. And yes, Qualcomm does release its sources, but there might be other limiting factors.
My best advice would be to wait, if at all possible. Give it a month or two and see how development across these devices is progressing, then make your decision.
ste1164 said:
People at htc are trying their best to release source code quicker and complete. They are already starting by selling the developer phone. But I have spoken to people at htc and there are people working there who are keen to get source code out on time.
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That is one thing I never got, and I chalk it up to a mixture of stupidity and inefficiency. It's too easy to get source out. Get a working, master local copy on your servers (don't host this in the cloud yet since it's still in development). As soon as they release the device, upload to a source repository, either home made or something like github. And you're done.
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Totally very true. Anybody who owns a Vivid must short out a contact point on the main board to achieve S-OFF. Just because you don't have to do this on last year's One line of phones doesn't mean you won't have to in the future. I was using this experience as an example of how difficult HTC has been with the developer community as of late. It seems you've missed the point of my argument entirely.
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I would hardly classify a device made almost two years ago as their current policy. Android development has been slowly (or not so slowly) increasing. And HTC has generally been getting better it, but obviously not perfect. That's one of the reasons they released htcdev.com which the Vivid has a listing for.
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Again, your argument doesn't quite make a lot of sense here either. You're saying that HTC took down a dev website due to the website using their name and logo? If HTC went that far to just get them to stop using their name and logo, ie. threatening legal action and forcing them to shut down, that's like using a nuclear missile to kill an ant. And that shows how dev-unfriendly HTC has become.
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Trying to remember off the top of my head and only with three hours of sleep, so I apologize for any inaccuracies. They took it down because they thought people would think it was affiliated with HTC. They allowed the owner to bring it back, as long as it said they were not affiliated, and so long as he didn't mess with their RUUs, but just hosting is fine. Overkill (and developer unfriendlieness) would have been not letting him bring it back.
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Any way you look at it, HTC is becoming less and less friendly to the development community. Samsung is the same way. You can pick your poison there. If you want a dev-friendly phone, get a Sony.
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Never messed with a Sony, but if you want the dev-friendliest, go for a Nexus.
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My best advice would be to wait, if at all possible. Give it a month or two and see how development across these devices is progressing, then make your decision.
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And that's my plan. That and wait to see if true S-OFF is achieved, and if Koush picks one up.
slapdaddy said:
Totally very true. Anybody who owns a Vivid must short out a contact point on the main board to achieve S-OFF. Just because you don't have to do this on last year's One line of phones doesn't mean you won't have to in the future. I was using this experience as an example of how difficult HTC has been with the developer community as of late. It seems you've missed the point of my argument entirely.
Again, your argument doesn't quite make a lot of sense here either. You're saying that HTC took down a dev website due to the website using their name and logo? If HTC went that far to just get them to stop using their name and logo, ie. threatening legal action and forcing them to shut down, that's like using a nuclear missile to kill an ant. And that shows how dev-unfriendly HTC has become.
Any way you look at it, HTC is becoming less and less friendly to the development community. Samsung is the same way. You can pick your poison there. If you want a dev-friendly phone, get a Sony.
Like I said, Samsung has its own issues with source codes, etc. I'm not sure how the GS4 with the Snapdragon chip will play out with the dev community because its only now becoming even remotely available to consumers. And yes, Qualcomm does release its sources, but there might be other limiting factors.
My best advice would be to wait, if at all possible. Give it a month or two and see how development across these devices is progressing, then make your decision.
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Your vivid was at&t's fault. Not HTC. At&t always locks there phones down. For example. The one x. The international version could be bootloader unlocked and rooted right away. At&t took steps to block htcdev from unlocking bootloaders for there devices. Those guys had to jump thru hoops to get unlocked. A friend if mine had to wait several months before someone cracked it. In general. At&t & Verizon are the worlds worst at hurting developers. I tend to buy unlocked phones to avoid such problems. Source is the same as any company. It comes when it comes. I wish all companies released source like Google does. Right before the release.
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Im sure s-off should be achieved soon, like recent htc phones such as droid dna and one x etc..
ive been having both samsung and htc devices.. i feel htc has better developent than samsung in terms of less bugs and more close to aosp etc.. and gets better roms for sure