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Finally a solution for all of us i9000m owners on Bell, the Motorola Atrix

After having four i9000m's die on me in recent months, it looks like a solution is finally on the horizon! Bell is releasing the Atrix which looks amazing! I am switching the moment it becomes available!
http://www.bce.ca/en/news/releases/bm/2011/01/05/76802.html

That is not a solution!
Bell is not going to give away free phones to replace the broken i9000m's!
A solution would be a fix via new hardware from Samsung!
Why with 10.12 phones it is still failing is not acceptable! Samsung should know about this problem by now and should have it fixed! 10.12 should be all new SD chips...but it does not look like it is...if 11.01 start to fail also...Samsung should be sued along with bell!

It is in the sense that Bell will have a better phone available.
Agreed that unless sued, they will probably not do a replacement.
We have a 'lemon' law in Canada. I think that with so many failures with the bell sgs, one may be able to invoke it.

DvTonder said:
It is in the sense that Bell will have a better phone available.
Agreed that unless sued, they will probably not do a replacement.
We have a 'lemon' law in Canada. I think that with so many failures with the bell sgs, one may be able to invoke it.
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yes, we do
for anyone who has not sign
please sign the online petitions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878043

Sorry but if you think having a Motorola instead is better your fooling yourself. Before you decide I suggest you read their Facebook support page as the posts are mostly about lack of support and NO option for the dev community to fix anything due to the bootloader being totally locked down. This is the company that released their flagship Droid and then replaced it in 6 months leaving all their customers with no support or updates. I am not sure if the USA customers even have 2.2 yet. I am fairly sure that the non USA ones do not though.

Tehpriest said:
Sorry but if you think having a Motorola instead is better your fooling yourself. Before you decide I suggest you read their Facebook support page as the posts are mostly about lack of support and NO option for the dev community to fix anything due to the bootloader being totally locked down. This is the company that released their flagship Droid and then replaced it in 6 months leaving all their customers with no support or updates. I am not sure if the USA customers even have 2.2 yet. I am fairly sure that the non USA ones do not though.
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Agreed... the locked bootloader makes Motorola Android phones useless.
I am holding out for the LG Optimus Black.

Tehpriest said:
Sorry but if you think having a Motorola instead is better your fooling yourself. Before you decide I suggest you read their Facebook support page as the posts are mostly about lack of support and NO option for the dev community to fix anything due to the bootloader being totally locked down. This is the company that released their flagship Droid and then replaced it in 6 months leaving all their customers with no support or updates. I am not sure if the USA customers even have 2.2 yet. I am fairly sure that the non USA ones do not though.
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slaman said:
Agreed... the locked bootloader makes Motorola Android phones useless.
I am holding out for the LG Optimus Black.
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Hmmm, definitely would not be interested in a phone with a locked boot loader. Ahh well, the fantasy was good while it lasted.
I am talking to a lawyer regarding a class action lawsuit. Time to get serious!!!

I am in the same boat looking at a replacement, was interested in the Motorola until I realized their locked down bootloader. Not sure about LG phones I have not heard god things about them. Looks like I might have to try one of the HTC phones instead. Hopefully they cone up with something that is the same as the galaxy or better soon.

Might be a solution for those with $700 cash and a love for stock Moto ROMs.

Yeah I'll stick with my i9000m thank you !

"Bootloader Solution" isn't what we hoped for..

Hey all,
While looking on an Austrailan Android news website I stumbled across this post, which basically confirms the fears and worst nightmares of Atrix 4G owners.
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/
Seems the bootloader solution is only going to apply to future 2011 devices, and only if carriers allow it.
-Sigh- I'm glad we still have some talented Dev's working the case! They're doing great things for everyone and I encourage you donate generously!
Thanks
- DarkRyoushii

I think it means devices that are current, but not starting until late 2011.
DarkRyoushii said:
Hey all,
While looking on an Austrailan Android news website I stumbled across this post, which basically confirms the fears and worst nightmares of Atrix 4G owners.
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/
Seems the bootloader solution is only going to apply to future 2011 devices, and only if carriers allow it.
-Sigh- I'm glad we still have some talented Dev's working the case! They're doing great things for everyone and I encourage you donate generously!
Thanks
- DarkRyoushii
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dLo GSR said:
I think it means devices that are current, but not starting until late 2011.
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ahh yes fair point, I sorta read it quite quickly in hopes for an answer

Fat chance AT&T ever allows this on the Atrix. They got your subsidized phone fee and locked you in for 2 years, do you honestly think they care whether or not the bootloader is unlocked? *queue imperial march*

Hey, at least thats a start, if not this phone...maybe their next phone will be unlocked. You have to think big picture....in about a year this phone will become obsolete, just like the nexus one. You're already starting to see phones that are about to come out with 1.2ghz Tegra chip...can you imagine in another year..we might go 2ghz or maybe a quad core.
You have to think about this, the Motorola Xoom was unlocked because Google designed it with them. That IS the developer tablet. The Atrix wasn't made for developer reasons, i'm pretty sure Motorola was using this phone as a Guinea pig.
I can see why ALOT of people went to the Inspire, Bigger screen, HTC quality, and you have a phone that you can mod. Some of us are staying with this phone just on hopes that later it might be unlocked. For all we know, this phone may be locked for good.

I love my atrix even with the locked bootloader. I can't mod it as much as I'd like but Greyblur/Gingerblur are great and I'm very happy with the performance of the phone. It is only going to get better when 2.3/2.4 gets shipped OTA. I am happy with my decision to keep the Atrix instead of returning it. Even with it's flaws it is the best phone I've ever owned.

AT&Trap would save $
dcarpenter85 said:
Fat chance AT&T ever allows this on the Atrix. They got your subsidized phone fee and locked you in for 2 years, do you honestly think they care whether or not the bootloader is unlocked? *queue imperial march*
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If you kept the same phone longer and kept their service they wouldn't have to pony up the subsidized new phone every two years and would save in the end. I think it would be in their better interest aside from tethering hacks which we already have.

Motorola using Xoom as an example is a slap to every other Motorola device owner. Xoom is a Google Experience tablet and they were forced to provide an unlock just like the Nexus One/S.

Recon Freak said:
If you kept the same phone longer and kept their service they wouldn't have to pony up the subsidized new phone every two years and would save in the end. I think it would be in their better interest aside from tethering hacks which we already have.
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That is assuming you don't jump ship to a new carrier for a newer/better phone that isn't offered on AT&T. Their primary interest is keeping you locked into contract with them for as long as possible, since they make far more over the 2 years of a contract than a phone is worth.

DarkRyoushii said:
Hey all,
While looking on an Austrailan Android news website I stumbled across this post, which basically confirms the fears and worst nightmares of Atrix 4G owners.
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/
Seems the bootloader solution is only going to apply to future 2011 devices, and only if carriers allow it.
-Sigh- I'm glad we still have some talented Dev's working the case! They're doing great things for everyone and I encourage you donate generously!
Thanks
- DarkRyoushii
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Thanks for posting this one. I did update it in my thread, but happy to see it shared further.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=988634
I'm waiting to hear clarification from Motorola on which devices will be included.
Will let everyone know when I have an answer.

Hope Motorola is not saying this to get people to slow down the protest. I won't believe anything till Motorola publicly announces this new info. Reps say about anything through email.
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JayRolla said:
Hope Motorola is not saying this to get people to slow down the protest. I won't believe anything till Motorola publicly announces this new info. Reps say about anything through email.
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Very true. Good point. Lets see if motorola if willing to redeem themselves.
Good news if this is true! Hope we won't be disappointed.
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dcarpenter85 said:
That is assuming you don't jump ship to a new carrier for a newer/better phone that isn't offered on AT&T. Their primary interest is keeping you locked into contract with them for as long as possible, since they make far more over the 2 years of a contract than a phone is worth.
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I didn't look at it that way. I've been with them since they were cingular I've been very happy with them. I always wait til they come out with a device I like.
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HTC are reviewing the locked bootloader policy

Just thought I would dive in and drop a link for anyone that is yet to comment..
And yes, it does belong in the dev section
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
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My personal opinion is, I don't think they will go through with it. HTC has always been the number one developers phone for the longest time and they'll probably realize that before releasing a phone with a locked bootloader. I'm just saying if they did, I have NO idea what I would do. I can't stand any other manufacturers way of creating phones so I guess I'd be chillin with my Inspire till someone cracked one of the nicer/newer HTC phones. what would you do? I can't EVER see myself using a stock phone just to stay up to date on phone releases.

This is bad....
Evo 3D to have locked-down bootloader
I hope this is old news

motoman234 said:
My personal opinion is, I don't think they will go through with it. HTC has always been the number one developers phone for the longest time and they'll probably realize that before releasing a phone with a locked bootloader. I'm just saying if they did, I have NO idea what I would do. I can't stand any other manufacturers way of creating phones so I guess I'd be chillin with my Inspire till someone cracked one of the nicer/newer HTC phones. what would you do? I can't EVER see myself using a stock phone just to stay up to date on phone releases.
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honestly the galaxy s2(or variants of it) woould be my next choices, samsung is starting to pump out some nice phones. i still love htc more though. a locked bootloader= no deal for me

Nice one - Sony Ericsson made that announcement not long ago about opening the boot loader which made them very popular in the se world and now htc are doing it.
Its obviously just to be popular with consumers. Good news for htc

I just have a hint they will lift the locking of those boot loaders though I might still be sticking to the good old Sense UI whether it's locked or unlocked.

Nick281051 said:
honestly the galaxy s2(or variants of it) woould be my next choices, samsung is starting to pump out some nice phones. i still love htc more though. a locked bootloader= no deal for me
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The phones themselves aren't bad, its the being stuck to AOSP or TouchWiz that's a deal breaker for me. I had a Vibrant and got rid of it within a week of buying it due to being bored. That's just my opinion though, once your use to Sense, you can never go back. Especially since official Sense 3.0 is around the corner. If the Sensation isn't locked down then it'll be mine .

I had a milestone before... So I know well the bootloader lock policy...
At least HTC listen to their customers...
I think they will change the bootloader lock policy cause they are smart guys and they know that there are many many people who buy HTC cause they like the freedom of unlocked bootloader...
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Good. I had almost lost my hope of ever buying an Htc phone again.
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I wonder if it's a publicity stunt.
Hoping that the net effect of (announcing the locking of bootloader) + (announcing the unlocking of bootloader) = more fanbois (or fangurls).

Well, they already released some devices with locked bootloaders as the Thunderbolt or the Incredible S. Cracking the Thunderbolt was pure luck, Incredible is not yet cracked.
So, if they decide to KEEP the locked loader, i'm done with htc... Sad but true
I really like their phones but without the community they are nothing...

I can't see why HTC would go in the opposite direction to SE. Will not buy another HTC if this happens. I'll get a SE instead.
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It'll be their own peril for going against the community.
Everyone knows a geek or two these days... And guess who people turn to when they want to buy a phone?

LeeDroid said:
Just thought I would dive in and drop a link for anyone that is yet to comment..
And yes, it does belong in the dev section
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
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I'm sorry, did you "develop" their decision to think on their bootloader policy?
I believe this doesn't belong in development, as it isn't a development thread. However, I believe it is an IMPORTANT piece of info, it still doens't belong here.
Moved to General.

Handsets are subsidized. They have applications like amazon mp3 and sound hound for a reason.
Your carrier will edit the build with their own features and limitations.
The locked bootloader preserves these changes. An unlocked bootloader does not.
The sway of the modding community is minimal compared to the networks and people who pay for their software to be bundled.
if we see the end of locked bootloaders, then we will likely see an increase in purchase costs.

PartTimeLegend said:
Handsets are subsidized. They have applications like amazon mp3 and sound hound for a reason.
Your carrier will edit the build with their own features and limitations.
The locked bootloader preserves these changes. An unlocked bootloader does not.
The sway of the modding community is minimal compared to the networks and people who pay for their software to be bundled.
if we see the end of locked bootloaders, then we will likely see an increase in purchase costs.
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Most users don't root and install custom roms, remove system apps, etc even though they often have handsets with which they can. For this reason I fail to understand what point you are trying to make. Most people just use their phone out of the box for 2-3 years or more.
Enthusiasts on the other hand will often upgrade annually as finance permits because of our love and passion for new technology. We are often the early adopters and we are the ones who end up paying the higher initial price on new products. This translates to frequent repeat sales at higher margin for the manufacturer.
Even though we are a small subset of the community, the value of our business is disproportionately high. We are the ones who care about unlocked bootloaders, not joe average who upgrades every 3 years to a model which is already several months old. If Htc doesn't want our business it is their choice, we will vote with our wallets and buy SE, Samsung or something else we can hack.
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PartTimeLegend said:
Handsets are subsidized. They have applications like amazon mp3 and sound hound for a reason.
Your carrier will edit the build with their own features and limitations.
The locked bootloader preserves these changes. An unlocked bootloader does not.
The sway of the modding community is minimal compared to the networks and people who pay for their software to be bundled.
if we see the end of locked bootloaders, then we will likely see an increase in purchase costs.
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I would not even use such provider specific software. So they can't loose money when i install a custom ROM.

PartTimeLegend said:
Handsets are subsidized. They have applications like amazon mp3 and sound hound for a reason.
Your carrier will edit the build with their own features and limitations.
The locked bootloader preserves these changes. An unlocked bootloader does not.
The sway of the modding community is minimal compared to the networks and people who pay for their software to be bundled.
if we see the end of locked bootloaders, then we will likely see an increase in purchase costs.
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First of all I should say that I see your point in the reasons of locking the bootloader. But the people who want unlocked bootloaders will most likely go with another manufacturer and the software companies that subsidize the phones will make no provit from those people no matter what. Carriers subsidize also the open bootloader phones, so it seems that this issue doesn't matter to them too much. The truth is that compared to all the people who buy phones, those who actually use the unlocked bootloader are very small percentage. Like with the iPhone and jailbreaking. So the decision of whether to lock the bootloader or not is purely a "political" one.
I think that the best solution is to ship the phones with locked bootloaders and to provide an unlocking tool which will void irreversibly the warranty and support, which HTC have every right to do as once unlocked you can install potentially damaging kernels e.g. overclocking to unreasonable frequencies and they can decline supporting software that's not their own.

Have you guys seen how much agro HTC get on their Facebook page its hilarious.
Of course its a publicity stunt, they don't want to have a bad name with consumers. Sony Ericsson made the same annoucement last month which gave them a good name.
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a petition has already gone up
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/

HTC to re-consider bootloaders

https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150305151453084&comments
Check that out. HTC is going to re-consider (unlocking) bootloaders! Great job on sending feedback to HTC !
If you dont have facebook account ill just paste what it says on official HTC page:
Update on Bootloaders
Author: HTC
Date: 25. May 2011 at 2:50
"Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon. Thank you for your interest, support and willingness to share your feedback."

the power of comunity

I hope they are serious about it and this not just a statement to please all. I would like my next phone to be an HTC since I am still not attracted by Samsung....

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http://wakeuphtc.blogspot.com/ check that out, I think its better to send personal letters to HTC than just to get some names in xda thread...

Yes they might be serious about that. This thing might be seriously effecting their sales of sensation, evo 3d, desire s, wildfire s, and other newer devices.
And there is another chance that they might be unlocking the newer devices alone keeping the older devices locked. Even if they have the opinion of unlocking every device, i think they will unlock the newer devices first to make the sales.
But i think these statements are not confirmative untill the devices are unlocked.

They are thinking about - but what are they doing?
should this ever happen to wildfire?
how long will this take?

Buldog said:
They are thinking about - but what are they doing?
should this ever happen to wildfire?
how long will this take?
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Read the statement, all info is there. If its not there, we dont know it

I read this on Facebook and this is good news indeed. I hope them "considering" means that steps will actually be taken.

Frankly, why would they do THAT?
People who have already bought a locked phone are not going to buy a new one when theirs get unlocked now, are they? No more money for HTC.
Unprotected bootloader means that bricked phones returns will increase. HTC will have to spend to replace these.
It makes no commercial sense to do so, as the people needing unlocked bootloaders represent, let's face it, a minority.
It would be nice, but pigs might fly before we see an official unlocked HBOOT.

n!k said:
Frankly, why would they do THAT?
People who have already bought a locked phone are not going to buy a new one when theirs get unlocked now, are they? No more money for HTC.
Unprotected bootloader means that bricked phones returns will increase. HTC will have to spend to replace these.
It makes no commercial sense to do so, as the people needing unlocked bootloaders represent, let's face it, a minority.
It would be nice, but pigs might fly before we see an official unlocked HBOOT.
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Unlocked bootloaders means that developers will work with HTC phones. Customers, who are developers, are better than those, who will use the phone just for calling etc.

I disagree with you.
I am sure that any developer who really wants to unlock their bootloader will have done so by now.
Unlocking the HBOOTs for the general public means that idiots (like me) are more likely to flash the wrong ROM (which I did) not because they are THAT stupid but because the choice of ROMs is wide enough to make a mistake, and the advice that is found on the internet forums is often confusing or misleading.
Frankly, I think that there is no need to unlock HBOOT / S-OFF as long as there is enough room for people to experiment in a non-destructive way with a functional recovery and the ability to flash custom firmwares. And to go back to stock.
But then it opens the world of the latest version of Android working on phones that were not meant for it; people would stick to their phone longer, which cannot be good for business.
For me, this statement by HTC is merely a way to say to their customers "Don't leave us for another brand with unlocked bootloaders", even though they clearly have no intention of unlocking the HBOOT.
Time will tell

n!k said:
I am sure that any developer who really wants to unlock their bootloader will have done so by now.
Frankly, I think that there is no need to unlock HBOOT / S-OFF as long as there is enough room for people to experiment in a non-destructive way with a functional recovery and the ability to flash custom firmwares. And to go back to stock.
People who have already bought a locked phone are not going to buy a new one when theirs get unlocked now, are they? No more money for HTC.
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---It is not like all the developers are capable of unlocking the bootloader. Most of the developers will be tinkering with the apps and other os related software like themes, roms, kernels etc., . No one knows how many developers are working on wildfire root. There is a possibility that a developer who works on apps might have little/nil knowledge on how to unlock bootloader (and other security related things). And most of these developers might be using the developers phones like nexus s which are unlocked by default. And to my knowledge, all the wildfire developers must be aware (even in november 2010) that official froyo update to wildfire makes it hard to root. So, mostly as i expect developers will not be updating the phone and taking the risk. SORRY, i didn't mean to be disrespectful with developers. I will also not update to official froyo and take the risk if i were a developer before (but im not).
---Their motive in locking the hboot is to destroy the freedom of rooting and flashing custom recoveries. I dont think they will give an option like to flash the custom recoveries in a non destructive way. And that going back to the stock (from the phone itself) might require some additional protected phone space, which matters because wildfire has low phone memory. I never expect them to s-off my phone. I will be satisfied if they unlock the bootloader and give me an option to flash custom recovery. [And if i think that s-off as a serious issue, then i might go with the future alpharev or the paid xtc clip or some other future solutions if any.]
---And people will not buy a new phone from htc if they get unlocked by htc now. And will people buy a new locked phone from htc if theirs present phone is kept locked. In any way it affects htc. But it makes a difference if htc unlocks the newer phones and keeps the old phones locked.

n!k said:
Frankly, why would they do THAT?
People who have already bought a locked phone are not going to buy a new one when theirs get unlocked now, are they? No more money for HTC.
Unprotected bootloader means that bricked phones returns will increase. HTC will have to spend to replace these.
It makes no commercial sense to do so, as the people needing unlocked bootloaders represent, let's face it, a minority.
It would be nice, but pigs might fly before we see an official unlocked HBOOT.
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Actually it makes commercial sense to so. If HTC wants us to buy HTC phones ever again, they should unlock it.

Our job to make wildfire rootable

HTC had announced that they will unlock bootloader for future phones that they 're going to sell, now our job is requesting HTC to release a new OTA update for wildfire, and further more, for existing locked devices.
We should held a campaign to request for OTA update, shouldn't we?

Yes. U R Right

I agree.
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Or we can use the existing campaign to ask them to unlock the older devices as well.

I'm not so sure.
We have our pound of flesh, i'm not sure its wise to push the issue to much, at this point HTC have listened where others would not.
I feel if we take advantage of this they might start to feel harassed, if that happens they may decide listing to there customers is unwise.
Perhaps the 'important members here' could ask HTC if they could, and would help current owners of there locked phones, But no more then that. Not to push it.

But the current groubal started from the point of wildfire (even started by the wildfire user).
It will be meaningless to us if the newer devices got unlocked and the wildfire kept locked. Just telling this because most of us will be sticking with the wildfire for a longer period. So, for us it takes a lot of time to purchase another unlocked htc device. Myself i will not buy a new android device unless i get a budget to go for a high end android one. Means what, are we gonna stick with the stock for a long time..? Ahhh...
Of course i agree that unlocking the fore coming devices is really good news.
I think we should continue the present groubal and request htc to unlock the older devices as well.

bharatgaddameedi said:
Or we can use the existing campaign to ask them to unlock the older devices as well.
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Yeah, or we can Email to HTC to ask them about it