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Aria vs Captivate (newbie question)

Okay so...
I'm new to Android (and basically to smartphones in general...have a Blackjack II but no data plan with it).
I was wondering what everyone's opinions are on these phones (I know that the Captivate has not been released yet but for everyone who knows more about it that I do).
Things such as speed comparison, ease of use (for those who test drove the Captivate) , supposed battery life, availability of developer support for continued updates and/or custom ROMs, ease of root, carrier support, etc.
I want to know what phones has more advantages so that I don't get screwed over when it comes time to upgrade.
Please don't flame...not trying to start a fight or spam. Just need some help...feeling pretty lost

Well ease of use will be the same, they both run Android.
The difference is that Samsung's will be able to run 3.0, given the rumored requirements, the Aria cannot.
But everything else about the Captivate will be better. It's got an international version as well as four US versions, it should have more support than N1, probably.

TexUs said:
Well ease of use will be the same, they both run Android.
The difference is that Samsung's will be able to run 3.0, given the rumored requirements, the Aria cannot.
But everything else about the Captivate will be better. It's got an international version as well as four US versions, it should have more support than N1, probably.
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more support then Nexus ? i hardly doubt that. considering that first OS leaks, 3-party roms, and official roms are for Nexus only

Since there are so many different versions of it, will all custom ROMs/root methods (whether it be the AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, International) be the same or will there be the headache of trying to find one that will work with my phone?
And I've heard complaints about Samsung's customer service....how is it compared to HTC? I've never used Samsung's customer service before and never owned an HTC before.

MendedEagle said:
Since there are so many different versions of it, will all custom ROMs/root methods (whether it be the AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, International) be the same or will there be the headache of trying to find one that will work with my phone?
And I've heard complaints about Samsung's customer service....how is it compared to HTC? I've never used Samsung's customer service before and never owned an HTC before.
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I would imagine that ROMS will be different because hardware is not 100% the same, although i might be mistaken.
as far as support goes: updates on HTC are pretty slow, I heard that Samsung will be even worth. It will probably get a quick update to 2.2 and thats it.....HTC phone support sucks, but at least you spend less then 1 minute on hold for a rep.
The only reason why HTC Nexus gets so much support, custom roms and updates, is because its a Google phone and its first in line for everything, its sort of "Developer Phone" thats not locked on anything which makes it easier to make ROMs.

kolyan said:
I would imagine that ROMS will be different because hardware is not 100% the same, although i might be mistaken.
as far as support goes: updates on HTC are pretty slow, I heard that Samsung will be even worth. It will probably get a quick update to 2.2 and thats it.....HTC phone support sucks, but at least you spend less then 1 minute on hold for a rep.
The only reason why HTC Nexus gets so much support, custom roms and updates, is because its a Google phone and its first in line for everything, its sort of "Developer Phone" thats not locked on anything which makes it easier to make ROMs.
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Thanks for the response.
I guess that there wont be any true comparisons until it get released. I just hope that the Captivate lives up to the expections I have of it. Dont want it to be a complete disappointment.
Hopefully some decent custom ROMS and rooting techniques hit the forum soon. New to Android myself but my friends speak highly of these so its something I plan on doing if there is enough support for it on here. Aria has really good support here, and I hope the Captivate gets the same respect.

TexUs said:
Well ease of use will be the same, they both run Android.
The difference is that Samsung's will be able to run 3.0, given the rumored requirements, the Aria cannot.
But everything else about the Captivate will be better. It's got an international version as well as four US versions, it should have more support than N1, probably.
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Samsung has rebuked that claim of the "requirement" / minimal requirement, it's actually a "recommendation."
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Samsung has rebuked that claim of the "requirement" / minimal requirement, it's actually a "recommendation."
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So the Galaxy S line definitely has the best hardware out on the market right now... The Aria is smooth in the UI, but a lot slower in graphics, computation, and every other way... The reason it is smooth is because it runs at a lower resolution... I am confident any variant of the Galaxy S will have a longer lifespan than any other android phone you buy right now... Samsung is putting a lot of eggs in this basket...

MendedEagle said:
Thanks for the response.
I guess that there wont be any true comparisons until it get released. I just hope that the Captivate lives up to the expections I have of it. Dont want it to be a complete disappointment.
Hopefully some decent custom ROMS and rooting techniques hit the forum soon. New to Android myself but my friends speak highly of these so its something I plan on doing if there is enough support for it on here. Aria has really good support here, and I hope the Captivate gets the same respect.
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right now all SGS run 2.1, hopefully soon it will get 2.2. I have been on 2.2 for about 2 months already 2.2 is a pretty big upgrade for Android mainly due to Huge performance increase and better battery life, of course bunch of other goodies as well.

aeo087 said:
So the Galaxy S line definitely has the best hardware out on the market right now... The Aria is smooth in the UI, but a lot slower in graphics, computation, and every other way... The reason it is smooth is because it runs at a lower resolution... I am confident any variant of the Galaxy S will have a longer lifespan than any other android phone you buy right now... Samsung is putting a lot of eggs in this basket...
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I'm not sure if the reason it is smooth is because it runs at a lower resolution, but it's definitely because of the CPU/GPU. It is at least 3x the speed than current smart phone in the market. It is most noticeable in 3d graphics (gamings especially or even navigation).
The sluggishness of SGS will be fixed (entirely) prettysoon by firmwares / mods / roms.
If you compare the hardwares, SGS will be the knight in the arena.

kolyan said:
The only reason why HTC Nexus gets so much support, custom roms and updates, is because its a Google phone and its first in line for everything, its sort of "Developer Phone" thats not locked on anything which makes it easier to make ROMs.
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But Google has signaled a pull away from that on future phones (IE, seems like they don't want to sell their own device directly). The N1 is probably going to be the exception to the rule... All other devices (HTC, Samsung, Motorola, etc) you're going to have to wait for both the manufacturer and the carrier to pass updates through. So if Google doesn't directly sell the Nexus Two themselves, it'll be no different.
But here's the catch... Since Samsung has devices in all markets... They're going to be the most likely device the community will custom ROM. I could be wrong though...

TexUs said:
But Google has signaled a pull away from that on future phones (IE, seems like they don't want to sell their own device directly). The N1 is probably going to be the exception to the rule... All other devices (HTC, Samsung, Motorola, etc) you're going to have to wait for both the manufacturer and the carrier to pass updates through. So if Google doesn't directly sell the Nexus Two themselves, it'll be no different.
But here's the catch... Since Samsung has devices in all markets... They're going to be the most likely device the community will custom ROM. I could be wrong though...
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I'm really hoping for some good custom ROMS for it. I'm new to the whole Android thing...including custom ROMS but I am very intrigued

Maybe we should organize a boycott of the Galaxy Tab

I apologize for making another "I'm mad at Samsung for..." thread, but after trying for the past hours to get the JI5 update and failing, I'm a bit angrier than I usually am and want to hurt Samsung somewhere where they will feel it while not going to extremes like trying to organize a class action suit.
Ever since the Galaxy S line came out they really haven't done much to support it except release 3 buggy updates for three of the phones and completely ignore the one that's been out in the States for the longest (until the "made you look" event of today), yet they're so eager to show off that Galaxy Tab that they want everyone to be interested in and buy next month. I suggest simply spreading the word to everyone that no one should but that thing until they at least get their house in order and get the Galaxy S line up to the basic functionality they should have had out of the box. Spread the word that they apparently can't support the products they release and that nobody should touch those things until they can prove they are going to stand behind the products they want us to spend our hard earned money on.
Before some of you start flaming me, I do very well know this is a forum for people who mod their phones and have no intention of staying stock. I mod my phones too. Even with the fixes I've flashed I still have issues with GPS and the phone resetting. I appreciate everything the community has done to help make these phones better and I whole heartedly thank them for doing so, but at the same time there's a whole company with a division of people getting paid to do this that hasn't been able to supply us with one good fix after nearly 3 months time. It's time we should make every potential customer aware of that.

I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.

That's understandable, personally I could care less about being able to make calls on tablet. It's not like you would be able to take calls on both your cell phone and the tablet. And I sure wouldn't care for having another phone number.
I love my iPad btw!

masterotaku said:
I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.
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Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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To be honest I am not surprised they are disabling the calling feature. In fact I would be surprised if they didn't.
I mean I for one wouldn't want to stop using my vibrant to use that giant tablet.
Also no matter what it will have wifi so it can be more like a laptop on the go and playing games on it will be awesome from the looks of it.

Well if they are just disabling the feature then that means the hardware to make calls is still built in so someone could root it and make calls anyway. But I'm still not getting one cause it'll be just like my phone. Tablets are a median of a phone and a notebook but nowadays the Ipad is the best out.
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Can't say I'm feeling pouty and petulant about Samsung in general, but I crossed four Tabs off my Xmas list when they announced the phone functionality was disabled.
As for the frequent comments about the Tab being too large to use as a phone, I use my phone as a speakerphone most of the time, and Bluetooth headsets put the final nail in the coffin for that argument.

I really doubt the S Tab will sell much anyway.
Smaller screen than the iPad, lower resolution, considerably worse battery life, for almost the same price....
Plus, given our experience with Samsung, it will probably not be upgraded to Gingerbread, which according to Google is the first version of Android actually meant for tablets.
Who in their right mind will buy the Tab?

What made me mad is they have more accessories slated for that thing than the very phones they already have out.
Docks, keyboards and all kinds of goodies. Oh yeah they all plug into the bottom of the Tab not the top like our retarded phones.

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Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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Exactly!
Since it's functionally crippled compared to it's European counterpart I don't plan on carrying one around.
It's an interesting device, and will probably have a modicum of success, but the deliberate lockdown of an existing feature is one that makes me uninterested in it.
Given that it's carrier unsubsidized pricing internationally is likely going to make it more expensive than the iPad, if I were to develop an interest in an Android tablet/mid that didn't support phone functions, I'd just SPEND LESS MONEY on a comparable 7" tablet that doesn't have phone functions. There are several...

Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.

demo23019 said:
Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.
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I can make everything in an app support that higher res, and I font even consider myself a dev... More of a file mover.. But there are tutorials and some apps are already compatible...
Remember when donut and froyo came out not all apps were compatible.. Some apps dont work on donut now...
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WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.

DKYang said:
WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.
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Dude, you are drawn to these threads like a fly is to sh!t!
T-Mobile has its problems, but what about the rest of the companies carrying the Galaxy S? Have any released Froyo, or successful compass fixes?
No? Must be a worldwide carrier conspiracy to make Samsung look bad, by delaying fixes and OS upgrades.....
No, Samsung's track records with product support just sucks. That's why some are pissed.

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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?

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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?
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Nice troll, since I don't believe you are actually as stupid as you're trying to get us to believe.
No, we're all pissed off about Samsung's crappy support. I bought a phone with a GPS built in. I can't use my GPS because it doesn't work.
A little fact which has been repeatedly explained to you. So either you choose to ignore it so you can troll more, or you have major issues with reading comprehension, take your pick.
And, as I said elsewhere, no one forced you to bring your fanboi self into this thread.

I'll hold out for MOTO or HTC
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That's great, let's organize a boycott of something that 99.9% of people have no plan to purchase in the first place. In other words, we're going to have to seek out people who want to buy the Tab and then dissuade them. Personally, I think I won't.

psshh, who is gonna buy that over sized phone anyway, too big for been a phone, too small for been a tablet

Interesting thread about Bell Vibrant issues

I guess following thread is a very good example of how civilized people deal with issues. Samsung is in question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883820
May be we need to start campaign about Froyo/Gingerbread using same tactics?
That was promised and a lot of hardware were bought because of this. Time to hold promises!
It's a little bit to late (because some variants are already got/getting Froyo), but there is a chance consolidate across all variants.

CNemo7539 said:
May be we need to start campaign about Froyo/Gingerbread using same tactics?
That was promised and a lot of hardware were bought because of this. Time to hold promises!
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That thread is because of real failures on the device, rendering them unusable. Sorry, but you're a fool if you purchased a device because it might get an update, it's not Samsung's fault.
I'm getting a bit frustrated waiting for this update because there are things popping up that require Froyo, but some of these comments/threads on a number of forums are just silly.
By all means, make yourself heard, but the lack of Froyo doesn't render the device unusable.

Verizon will give it to us when they are satisfied with the build. A 1960's hippie movement will not get it here any faster.
I am fine with 2.1 myself.
good day.

J Shed said:
That thread is because of real failures on the device, rendering them unusable. Sorry, but you're a fool if you purchased a device because it might get an update, it's not Samsung's fault.
I'm getting a bit frustrated waiting for this update because there are things popping up that require Froyo, but some of these comments/threads on a number of forums are just silly.
By all means, make yourself heard, but the lack of Froyo doesn't render the device unusable.
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My phone USB failed few days ago. I have thread here, trying to get additional information if others have similar problems. That said VZ already send another one for free. I do not know yet if it is new or refarb.
What I think is that, promise is what it is. I didn't pushed them to promise anything. But, getting normal support for device is something I've assumed at the time of purchase phone + dock + other crap. Would I know that everything is so slow, I might got another phone. I think I'm not alone here.

CNemo7539 said:
My phone USB failed few days ago. I have thread here, trying to get additional information if others have similar problems. That said VZ already send another one for free. I do not know yet if it is new or refarb.
What I think is that, promise is what it is. I didn't pushed them to promise anything. But, getting normal support for device is something I've assumed at the time of purchase phone + dock + other crap. Would I know that everything is so slow, I might got another phone. I think I'm not alone here.
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They committed to releasing the update, they gave an estimated time frame for release, they didn't PROMISE anything. Froyo is coming, but the lack of it doesn't mean your phone doesn't work. Updates aren't normal support, they're updates. 2.2 is not required for the phone to function.
The funny thing is you're absolutely not alone (pretty sure I made that clear in my OP), it's just getting ridiculous some of the things people are demanding. It's not Samsung, nor Verizon's fault you purchased a device based on what it might be. That's your fault, period. I purchased this phone for what it was the day I got it, not for some dream land a few months down the road.

I feel about this a little bit differently, looking at the back of my phone dock. It has easy readable label saying that some functionality will be available when 2.2 update released. And it was promised SHORTLY. So shortly, that people found it OK to hold over 30 days grace period.
Overall I do not think it silly to expect something. I DO EXPECT that MS will patch Windows, Live etc. I DO EXPECT that HP, Dell and others update drivers. This practice exists for years now.
I do not know why it sounds funny when I expect that Samsung or VZ will fix GPS and other issues?
It is not that I'm screaming for update right now. But some clarity about situation will be greatly appreciated. Neither VZ nor Samsung didn't stepped down from their heights to inform us, mere mortals.

chopper the dog said:
A 1960's hippie movement will not get it here any faster.
good day.
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What if you ARE a 1960's hippie though?
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CNemo7539 said:
It is not that I'm screaming for update right now. But some clarity about situation will be greatly appreciated. Neither VZ nor Samsung didn't stepped down from their heights to inform us, mere mortals.
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This is fair, but can you name companies that do this? Unfortunately it's very rare.
They can't give you a set ETA (software is such that you can't give out fixed dates until it's done), nor can they really tell you what they're working on/why it's delayed (would you really understand if they did tell you?). The best they could tell you is "we're working on it," and unless you live in a cave (or subscribe to one of the ridiculous conspiracy theories), you already know that.
And again, YOU deciding to hang onto the dock is your fault, not Samsung's. At 29 days, you could've strolled into the VZW store, and returned it. And again, they will release Froyo for the Verizon Samsung Fascinate. If they do not, they will be in real legal trouble because suddenly, you'd have a case for a class action lawsuit because of your dock.

J Shed said:
This is fair, but can you name companies that do this? Unfortunately it's very rare.
They can't give you a set ETA (software is such that you can't give out fixed dates until it's done), nor can they really tell you what they're working on/why it's delayed (would you really understand if they did tell you?). The best they could tell you is "we're working on it," and unless you live in a cave (or subscribe to one of the ridiculous conspiracy theories), you already know that.
And again, YOU deciding to hang onto the dock is your fault, not Samsung's. At 29 days, you could've strolled into the VZW store, and returned it. And again, they will release Froyo for the Verizon Samsung Fascinate. If they do not, they will be in real legal trouble because suddenly, you'd have a case for a class action lawsuit because of your dock.
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Believe it or not, I'm in IT... And I tell you - there is always deadlines and dates are set in stone. Moreover, public beta will settle all worries. It is easy way to show to average public what company does and where it stays at the moment. That is how other companies handle same problems. MS with SP betas is good sample. Even secretive Apple does it!
I guess, we have a case for class action. I just wonder for how long we should wait before initiating it? As of now, we have a pretty good reason to believe that time for Froyo is gone, because Gingerbread is out and Samsung has it. Do you see my point?
As to return... Well, it not going to happen in the future. I'm going to stay away from Samsung products. Unfortunately I cannot leave VZ.

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Believe it or not, I'm in IT... And I tell you - there is always deadlines and dates are set in stone.
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"IT" and software development are not the same thing.
Public beta works with basic software, and even some OSes, not with phones. You release a public beta that has a bug that can brick your phone, and you're screwed. It's MUCH more difficult to fix a bricked phone than it is to fix a desktop that won't boot properly.
You don't have a case, yet. If Samsung fails to deliver 2.2, then you will, not until then.

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"IT" and software development are not the same thing.
Public beta works with basic software, and even some OSes, not with phones. You release a public beta that has a bug that can brick your phone, and you're screwed. It's MUCH more difficult to fix a bricked phone than it is to fix a desktop that won't boot properly.
You don't have a case, yet. If Samsung fails to deliver 2.2, then you will, not until then.
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No need to explain what exactly I do. It is development.
Go to Apple site and figure out how they deploy public betas for iOS. Nobody complains about broken phones. I never heard about this.
Hell!!! Film the video for youtube if not anything else! Show prototypes in the stores! Even this will be better then noting! Release official statement. Just do not sit like cat in the sand!
They simply are not willing to do anything, because they got their money already.
And could you please define "fails to deliver"? As far as I'm concerned they pretty much failed. Froyo was released and pulled off several times on other SGS phones. And they have Froyo on tab, which essentially same hardware. What is this?
Though I might consider it as showing progress ;-) Problem is that at such pace phone will physically pass out sooner then we get update.

Believe it or not, I am actually trying to get them into admitting that Froyo will not be released.
I got one rep who replied to say it, however, she doesn't know wtf she is talking about. Depending on their next few replies if whether I crack the email open and send it to the major blog sites.
I am trying to get someone who actually knows something to admit that 2.2 is not coming. We shall see. Past that, you are right, there is not a damn thing we can do until its determined that its NOT coming out.

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2.2 is not required for the phone to function.
It's not Samsung, nor Verizon's fault you purchased a device based on what it might be.
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Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who bought a cradle with a sticker on it saying "2.2 required for this to function".
Is that their fault they received a product which doesn't work as advertised, just to open the box up to a "gotch'ya!" sticker?
Is that somehow not Samsung nor Verizon's fault, too?
Sometimes I wonder how often people on here ever take responsibility, seeing as they are so quick to make excuses and attack those wronged. You would all do well in politics or customer service; Neither party holds anyone accountable for their false promises.

The problem is, until they admit that its not being released, they have us all on a technicality, that coming soon has no defined time frame. Leaked internal documents are likely not admissible in a lawsuit.
Its ****ty, its unethical, but it is what it is.
I am just as angry as well.

According the news, Samsung is going to introduce Galaxy S ancestor in Barcelona in February. So, I guess first Galaxy S lifespan is even shorter than I've expected. Sure, it is because was VZ was late to the game. Churning out new models at such pace doesn't leave time to support old ones.

Galaxy s is like lexus to toyota. It's just a line of phones from samsung which are high end.
Adrynalyne is right when he says that there is nothing that we can do but make them admit that nothing is coming out...

CNemo7539 said:
No need to explain what exactly I do. It is development.
Go to Apple site and figure out how they deploy public betas for iOS. Nobody complains about broken phones. I never heard about this.
Hell!!! Film the video for youtube if not anything else! Show prototypes in the stores! Even this will be better then noting! Release official statement. Just do not sit like cat in the sand!
They simply are not willing to do anything, because they got their money already.
And could you please define "fails to deliver"? As far as I'm concerned they pretty much failed. Froyo was released and pulled off several times on other SGS phones. And they have Froyo on tab, which essentially same hardware. What is this?
Though I might consider it as showing progress ;-) Problem is that at such pace phone will physically pass out sooner then we get update.
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Funny you mention apple, and then in the same breath you talk about making phones obsolete.
Apple and Samsung are apples and oranges (lol). Apple has ONE phone (3 if you want to count the og, 3g, and 3gs, but those are mostly obsolete), Samsung has at least 4 or 5 in the US alone. Each on different networks, and with differing software setups (bloatware). How again are they going to ensure they don't start ****ing **** up if they push a public beta? Trust me, I'd LOVE if they did that, but it's an unrealistic expectation.
And "fails to deliver" means it doesn't come, at all, ever, period. When they admit to freezing development and NOT releasing anything past 2.1, then everyone who purchased a dock has a case for a class action lawsuit.
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Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who bought a cradle with a sticker on it saying "2.2 required for this to function".
Is that their fault they received a product which doesn't work as advertised, just to open the box up to a "gotch'ya!" sticker?
Is that somehow not Samsung nor Verizon's fault, too?
Sometimes I wonder how often people on here ever take responsibility, seeing as they are so quick to make excuses and attack those wronged. You would all do well in politics or customer service; Neither party holds anyone accountable for their false promises.
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Don't talk to me about accountability when you are so eager to blame someone else for your failure to return a product you weren't satisfied with. It's also your fault you decided to wait it out for Froyo.
You chose to wait, that's on you. So now it's a matter of you waiting for them to release 2.2+, or them to admit they won't release it.
I'm not defending anyone, I'm just tired of the stupid crap I'm seeing from people over this update. I didn't buy that dock because I think it's a piece of crap, regardless of the fact the 3.5mm jack doesn't work (which, BTW, sounds like it's the ONLY thing not working, it charges the phone, displays the dock program).

RacerXFD said:
Galaxy s is like lexus to toyota. It's just a line of phones from samsung which are high end.
Adrynalyne is right when he says that there is nothing that we can do but make them admit that nothing is coming out...
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I guess we are getting away from the intended topic. This might be my fault, if I not expressed clearly.
If adrynalyne is talking to somebody at Samsung, would be nice if he can share that person contact. I guess idea is to have one single point of force application.
Even if that person is brainless office droid, he will have to report up at some point, if number and intensity of complaints is over some threshold.
Could we here formulate some collective message and start pushing it from different emails?

I'd just like to use the 3.5mm audio out on my dock, have map rotation gesture working in maps and get chrome to phone back; new gmail client would be a nice upgrade... Hopefully it will happen someday...
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Opus One or Dell Streak gen 2

Is their a good site to follow Opus One updates on?
Do we know if the Opus One will support T-Mobile too or just ATT?
Has a new release date been set? Last I heard was May and we are now past that.
Thanks for your time and for looking!

Now it looks like Q1 - 2012:
http://tablet-news.com/2011/02/18/d...opus-one-silver-oak-sterling-models-included/

ameiurus said:
Now it looks like Q1 - 2012:
http://tablet-news.com/2011/02/18/d...opus-one-silver-oak-sterling-models-included/
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That is not anything new to report. That was posted months ago.

looking forward to this release.

Interesting is, that it have Honeycomb. So Honeycomb should be ok for 5 inch tablets. When I saw pictures DJ_Steve posted everything was looking so small...

Dell Opus One
It would have Android ICECREAM SANDWITCH 4 i guess !

ranjithkuzi said:
It would have Android ICECREAM SANDWITCH 4 i guess !
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Sooo, I guess Opus is officially deceased, expired, passed away, went to be with the cyberlord, crossed over, was "called home"?
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Should make ports to the gen. 1 Streka 5 easier, no?

donalgodon said:
Should make ports to the gen. 1 Streka 5 easier, no?
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Does the current Streak Status in the United States mean we are officially cut off from any further upgrades or hopes of additional upgrades/new streaks while other countries will continue receiving such new updates, etc? GEE,THANKS DELL, for slapping us in the face right here on your own home turf

Rico ANDROID said:
Does the current Streak Status in the United States mean we are officially cut off from any further upgrades or hopes of additional upgrades/new streaks while other countries will continue receiving such new updates, etc? GEE,THANKS DELL, for slapping us in the face right here on your own home turf
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Do other countries receive such updates? I tend to doubt that. If a company won't do it for the US, they don't usually give a crap about anyone else in other countries either, sadly.

donalgodon said:
Do other countries receive such updates? I tend to doubt that. If a company won't do it for the US, they don't usually give a crap about anyone else in other countries either, sadly.
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I guess that's why the Streak 10 has only been released in the US?
That is certainly a UScentric view. I'll think about while I watch the sun orbit the earth.

Perhaps the earth orbits him too
Thinking that the streak 5 will stop recieving support simply because it's discontinued in the US is plain up stupid.
It's still supported in the european markets and it was launched there BEFORE it launched in the US. If anything the US is was always the minor market and it was with the way dell launched it here and with At&t. Rogers up north wasnt that much better and was basically mirroring at&t with support.
Retail/unbranded streaks have ALWAYS recieved updates the fastest and most frequently and as retail it doesnt matter where it was purchased it will continue being able to run retail roms.
Excluding the retail streaks, the asian markets (japan and korea) recieve the greatest number of updates anyway, and that's where GB is most likely to land first if it doesnt land on retail first.

Hey Guys.....
I just read on Forbes' website that HP has officially discontinued ALL WebOS programs / devices..... according to the article, this specifically includes ALL tablets and smartphones.....
IMHO, Dell would be short-sighted now to discontinue future tablet & smartphone development...... But unfortunately I'm never invited to their shareholder meetings LOL
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All Dell phones in US are I believe EOL. I believe the current offering was just to test the waters. My best guess is give it a year or so and they will be back.. Companies are beginning to get it now...with the fall of webos, it is no big trick to come out with just another phone or tablet... it is now time for innovation and probably enterprise security to android.

Now I'm really pissed.... Just last night, I read on 3 "credible" websites that HP would begin offering their 16GB Touchpad at BestBuy & WalMart for $99 (32GB for $149).... I've been to 3 BestBuy stores today and they all told me their remaining TouchPad inventory was shipped back to HP..... I dare not go to a Walmart store and hear the same story for fear of having a meltdown right there at the service counter.... You know what, with these kind of shenanigans, HP deserves to fail!! .... .. There, I feel much better now
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marvin02 said:
I guess that's why the Streak 10 has only been released in the US?
That is certainly a UScentric view. I'll think about while I watch the sun orbit the earth.
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I don't live in the US, but I did for 37 years. I have noticed that mobile hardware makers do tend to be UScentric to an extent. I'm not saying it's categorically true in every instance.
Nokia's latest releases are the antithesis to this, for example.

marvin02 said:
I guess that's why the Streak 10 has only been released in the US?
That is certainly a UScentric view. I'll think about while I watch the sun orbit the earth.
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Marvin, what was Dell's recent release that was only overseas and not U.S.? I am confused in thinking it was the streak 10. But I was totally mistaken..wow.

He's being sarcastic,
the s10 currently has no release schedule in the US or anywhere but china right now (which has been out in china for a couple weeks now)

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Perhaps the earth orbits him too
Thinking that the streak 5 will stop recieving support simply because it's discontinued in the US is plain up stupid.
It's still supported in the european markets and it was launched there BEFORE it launched in the US. If anything the US is was always the minor market and it was with the way dell launched it here and with At&t. Rogers up north wasnt that much better and was basically mirroring at&t with support.
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The US launch and lack of advertisment is a very sore spot. Maybe that is why they gave up on the US. Since Dell chose to make the US second fiddle our press paned the device. It was not released on time and was released with what the US press considered outdated software.
In a country that likes to be first in everything of course that will generate some poor feelings. Plus, Apple is strongest here. If you can do it to Apple's level (advertisement, product delivery, innovation) then you might as well pack up and go home, unless it's cheap and the Streak 5 was not cheep.
I think the US just was to hard for them to support.
My hope is that the next Gen Streak will be released here first with full disclosure and advertisement. I think the Streak 5 would have done very well if it had been fully supported here in the states. People are still asking me what it is and where they can get one. Now I have to sadly tell them they can't.

I've cut ties with Dell until they can show drastic signs of taking their devices seriously. I picked up an Atrix the other day when they were free at best buy (I told my wife-to-be to use her upgrade on it, she said she was fine with her current phone but I could have it...what a catch!), and it's amazing how much more refined of a device it is (excluding motoblur, but I never booted into the stock rom so I didn't have to deal with that). I will always miss the 5" screen though. Luckily Samsung is starting to make bigger and bigger screens on their phones.
The only thing that saved the Streak was the great communities on xda, modaco, and pocketables...Dell, sadly, shot themselves in the foot with how they handled the streak and I am done with them.

What should Dell do to apologize to you?

We all know that the DVP has its share of problems and has led to user frustration. What can Dell do to solve the problem? Recall that users were given bt headsets due to the massive wait for the DVP to be shipped fiasco. Should dell do something similar to that? And if so, what would you expect Dell to do?
Personally, I wouldn't mind an extended warranty or a microsd card update I guess. Actually I wouldn't mind some restrictions lifted from the registry editor either (where users can write and not just read commands). What about you guys? What do you think is the most balanced approach to ease user frustration?
Note I'm not Dell, nor am I a rep of Dell at all. Just want to toss the ball around and make for a good discussion. Let's not make anger an impetus to cloud judgment though

extended warranty or some microsoft points/month of zune pass would be good. the other options wouldn't really be of use to the average consumer.

I expect Michael Dell to come to each of our homes and apologize personally. Oh, and to bring a pony with him. And pony food for one year.
Anything less at this point in the fiasco would be unacceptable.

ducttape36 said:
extended warranty or some microsoft points/month of zune pass would be good. the other options wouldn't really be of use to the average consumer.
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maybe 6 months of zune pass? I definitely would want the tools though >.<
wha? I want my hackimation nao!

An extended warranty at the very least. Partial discount on the retail price perhaps. Tons of official Dell DVP accessories (do these even exist?) Zune Pass isn't really something I'd want.
A bargain bin Bluetooth headset isn't going to cut it. I called about getting mine months ago and it's still not here.

Arcarsenal said:
An extended warranty at the very least. Partial discount on the retail price perhaps. Tons of official Dell DVP accessories (do these even exist?) Zune Pass isn't really something I'd want.
A bargain bin Bluetooth headset isn't going to cut it. I called about getting mine months ago and it's still not here.
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not many accessories exist I don't think
I should add a poll =)

domineus said:
We all know that the DVP has its share of problems and has led to user frustration. What can Dell do to solve the problem? Recall that users were given bt headsets due to the massive wait for the DVP to be shipped fiasco. Should dell do something similar to that? And if so, what would you expect Dell to do?
Personally, I wouldn't mind an extended warranty or a microsd card update I guess. Actually I wouldn't mind some restrictions lifted from the registry editor either (where users can write and not just read commands). What about you guys? What do you think is the most balanced approach to ease user frustration?
Note I'm not Dell, nor am I a rep of Dell at all. Just want to toss the ball around and make for a good discussion. Let's not make anger an impetus to cloud judgment though
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An extended warranty would be the most appropriate, preferably a year from the date they release the fix. An option to buy a larger (32GB) microSD card at a reduced price would be a nice addition though...

Honor warranties of those that fixed the problems themselves by swapping sd's.
Annnnd maybe some zunepass stuff.

Refund the full undiscounted price so we can terminate our contracts and get a different phone.

domineus said:
Note I'm not Dell, nor am I a rep of Dell at all. Just want to toss the ball around and make for a good discussion. Let's not make anger an impetus to cloud judgment though
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"I'm not Dell..."
I chuckled a bit at that one.
I havent had my DVP that long (1 month and 2 days) but i would like some of the technical features released (registry edit etc) and I am not a fan of bluetooth headsets, so I would like a zune pass or something of a similar nature. I use MS points for my xbox games, not music, (99 pts = $2.05 ; Amazon Music = 69-1.25) so MS points would be useful, but not in this situation.

domineus said:
We all know that the DVP has its share of problems and has led to user frustration. What can Dell do to solve the problem? Recall that users were given bt headsets due to the massive wait for the DVP to be shipped fiasco. Should dell do something similar to that? And if so, what would you expect Dell to do?
Personally, I wouldn't mind an extended warranty or a microsd card update I guess. Actually I wouldn't mind some restrictions lifted from the registry editor either (where users can write and not just read commands). What about you guys? What do you think is the most balanced approach to ease user frustration?
Note I'm not Dell, nor am I a rep of Dell at all. Just want to toss the ball around and make for a good discussion. Let's not make anger an impetus to cloud judgment though
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I don't really want anything from them, except what was expected. With that said, amnesty for all SD card issues, extended warranty, read that as 12 months warranty from the day they release the fix, and a replacement SD card...since they have acknowledged the cards are bad.
Things like Zune points, etc....Zune is Microsoft...I doubt Dell could swing that....
Oh, and that Pony Raremage talked about....

alodar1 said:
I don't really want anything from them, except what was expected. With that said, amnesty for all SD card issues, extended warranty, read that as 12 months warranty from the day they release the fix, and a replacement SD card...since they have acknowledged the cards are bad.
Things like Zune points, etc....Zune is Microsoft...I doubt Dell could swing that....
Oh, and that Pony Raremage talked about....
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+1. Extend the warranty. Get me a flashlight app that uses the camera flash

Shoot2ill said:
+1. Extend the warranty. Get me a flashlight app that uses the camera flash
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If u have a Dev unlocked DVP you can have the flashlight app today (homebrew).

My demands would be simple. Change the phone settings so we can have full access to the windows files , just like everyone who has an HTC has been able to do.
And prove to everyone publicly that they are using Gorilla glass, cause I and the first phone I had say it's not.
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And that was bouncing of the PLASTIC body kit of my car.

The proper thing for Dell to do would be to extend all DVP warranties by one year and offer users a partial refund or a swap to the 32GB version at no extra charge.
The warranty extension is a mandatory minimum since a large chunk of it was wasted on a slew of bugs that existed on release. Users need to have some assurance that Dell will still be around to fix their phones now that they have finally reached working order (after the fix that is).
The free upgrade to a 32GB version would help them fully kill any problems users are having. The story is some of the problems are actually caused by the SD card. That can't be fixed without swapping the card. So they should recall the devices for that alone, but if they sent users 32GB versions instead they will make people very happy. If they leave people happy from the generosity they might undo a lot of the damage to their reputation from this mess.
slight22 said:
And prove to everyone publicly that they are using Gorilla glass, cause I and the first phone I had say it's not.
And that was bouncing of the PLASTIC body kit of my car.
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Seriously... Give it a rest... THEY ARE USING GORILLA GLASS! Corning has them listed as such!! Dell wouldn't be buying Gorilla Glass to throw in the trash...
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/#products-with-gorilla
The sooner you remember that Gorilla Glass is still... Glass... The better off you'll be.

Did you miss the part where i said PLASTIC body kit?? Add in the fact you may put it in a few and then cheap out on the rest, and still say you've done it.

gorilla glass is not that great
google the iphone complaints from users. It may be scratch proof but its not shatter proof. That's the major thing

domineus said:
It may be scratch proof but its not shatter proof. That's the major thing
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This. The end.

Extend the warranty
Free upgrade to a new (and not a refurbished) 32GB DVP with that firmware we've been waiting for several months.

gmontem said:
Extend the warranty
Free upgrade to a new (and not a refurbished) 32GB DVP with that firmware we've been waiting for several months.
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Yes, 100% this. And nothing less.