well,i have been visiting xda for many months now,i really appreciate the excellent work done by devs ,but then this mod editand few other people come out and start shouting on the devs that they are not doing anything good or better,well i hate these kinds of people and i want the moderator or chairman or whoever runs xda developers site to thr mod editkind of people who demoralize devs out of this site and block them so they don't come back again to participate in the forums,they are a shame to devs society
They criticise the dev's work but they are the first to use their work lol
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They criticise the dev's work but they are the first to use their work lol
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yeh is always the way lol want all new stuff but refuse to learn to how to make stuff, i would start to learn but i have no idea where to start XD i think dev are going a great job, we have custom rom's, emulated dual touch and soon ip tables (bring on the wifi hot spot) and all while working on boot loader bypass.
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yeh is always the way lol want all new stuff but refuse to learn to how to make stuff, i would start to learn but i have no idea where to start XD i think dev are going a great job, we have custom rom's, emulated dual touch and soon ip tables (bring on the wifi hot spot) and all while working on boot loader bypass.
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The devs are giving all their efforts to make X8 a greatest cellphone, and they are in the good way! Thanks devs!
+1 to block this kind of people
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yeah some action must be taken
Subject: some members
Type: impatient unreasonable kind of people
Description:
These people exist in every bit of this miracle called Internet.
Behaviour:
Their behaviour is very simple. It can be written as scenic text.
[subject desperately wants something for his/her phone/something. comes to forum]
S(ubject): Y'ALL SUCX NOT BRINGING ANYTHING TO SCENE Y'ALL SHOULD BE BANNED WHEN WILL NEW KERNAL APPEAR YA N00BZ.
[developers come in to defend themselves]
D(evs): hi, chill down, we're making progress, we have our own life too, it will come
S: YA SUCX. I LEAVE THIS FORUM. ALL LIAR SELFISH BASTARDS.
[dev release new "kernal". big red letters say "this is alpha. do not report bugs. only for devs. do not spam this thread"]
S: YA FAGGET, MORON, WHY THIS NOT WORKS THAT NOT WORKS, WHY ALPHA, YA SHOULD HURRY I WAIT FOR THIS TOO LONG, IF YA CANT MAKE IT WHY EVEN BE HERE
[dev release final 100% working kernal version. again "do not spam"]
S: WOW SIR MASTAR YA AMAZEING SOO COULL WHEN NEW KERNAL 2.6.90 BE RELEASE YA KNEW, GOOD WORK BUT THIS TOO MUCH OUTDATED YA MUST SWITCH TO NEW KERNAL
[and so on]
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Analyst: Blagus
EOF
@blagus
LOL, I like your analysis
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You people are IDIOTS. I DON'T HATE DEVS! All I said was there are few devs. That's all. NOW STOP SPAMMING YOU ****ING TROLLS!
EDIT: Read all the damn threds and you'll see my opionions about them.
@blagus I hope your not reffering to me, I NEVER had such behaiviour.
Here is what I see:
You are posting negative opinion about some devs (like you said) and complaining about x8 development progress, and lot of people don't like it. And then you call them idiot, stupid, etc. It's just make it worst because they think that you spread negative influence and demoralize devs and x8 users. So why don't you just say sorry and we all make a peace, honor for the dev's work, wait and hope the best for x8 development, OK...
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@blagus I hope your not reffering to me, I NEVER had such behaiviour.
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no, that's definitively not you. however, you made mistake by saying something that feels like this behaviour and of course, people will react. how would you feel if you were dev like racht and someone came to your thread saying something like "i dont see much/any progress (lately)"... of course you would be at least a little bit pissed off, which would lead to piss-off chain reaction similar to the one in atomic bomb
i think that we can forgive him this, at least because it his approach wasn't so aggressive as sometimes it is (take a look at, for example, i9000 development, at some places you'll find people fitting in my analysis)...
because this fight won't bring us anything but negative energy and feeling accross the forum, making it even worse... although i'd really love to be admin and ban forever everyone who seems to be debbie-downer...
this is just a friendly post
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i don't care about captain zap or anyone whether they have slightly or hugely demoralized devs ,the bottom line is that if these kind of more people succeed in demoralizing devs hugely then we won't be having any new innovation from devs,so its necessary to set a big example for those people who criticize devs once and for all ,
these people like captain zap are not worth to be a part of xda!
/thread Your *****ing won't get you nowhere. You people are just stupid spoiled brats that have nothing else to do than blame me for the lack of updates from the devs. Last time I answer to kids, from now on you'll be ignored. THIS FORUM IS A PLACE FOR GROWN-UPS WHO KNOW HOW TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.
Don't feed the troll... It 'll go away eventually...
i think this thread shouldn't be started at the first place. kinda flaming captain zap. everyone doesn't like what he did/say in development section. come on, leave it.
agree with argpsi ^^ there
The devs are doing a good job.They put their efforts on ROM and modules developing.We should give them thanks and the devs will feel that their efforts are not useless. Remember,they are not doing careers,they are just like volunteers only.
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Peace, don't be such a kid,
why saying irrational words man?
see, this kind of attitudes are not for "grown ups"
grown ups tend to act accordingly without saying "*****es" "Idiots" and "****ing Troll"
hey, i think this is what a kiddo does.
anyway. Pls stop this flaming thingy,
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You people are IDIOTS. I DON'T HATE DEVS! All I said was there are few devs. That's all. NOW STOP SPAMMING YOU ******* TROLLS!
EDIT: Read all the damn threds and you'll see my opionions about them.
@blagus I hope your not reffering to me, I NEVER had such behaiviour.
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...when someone is developing something and give it to the comunity, we just dont have the right to citisize him.
...I dont know if this threat is right to exist...
Blagus talked about real things that happend, not for someone that might hate devs.
Anyone who want more devs, grap a book and start reading linux programing (see you in 2 years).
Most people that insolt devs are some 13- years old boys that dont know anything about programming.
(Some times post meaning are translated wrong and we got wrong results about that people say.
To those how hate devs: Stop talking about devs and think how many people you have helped...0 ....and... you want medical help my friend...)
Dont attack to Capten Zap, ok he did a mistake but he did it only onse and it wasnot so serius...
...CAN WE FORGET THIS THREAT?..
.when someone is developing something and give it to the comunity, we just dont have the right to citisize him.
...I dont know if this threat is right to exist...
Blagus talked about real things that happend, not for someone that might hate devs.
Anyone who want more devs, grap a book and start reading linux programing (see you in 2 years).
Most people that insolt devs are some 13- years old boys that dont know anything about programming.
(Some times post meaning are translated wrong and we got wrong results about that people say.
To those how hate devs: Stop talking about devs and think how many people you have helped...
+1 to your comment,thats exactly what i want to say
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Hi everyone... i usually dont create threads like this, but i am deeply hurt, and need to say a few things just to make it to clear to everybody... i feel some ppl are getting a wrong idea about me...
I am not the kind of person who will do things for fame/popularity (thanks/etc)
I do this for the sheer fun of it!
I want to help the user community...
the only reason that i have started a few thread recently is that a lot of work can be done faster if ppl help out... rather than one person sitting and doing it..
the only reason i released sources/codes, in the still-in-development threads, is that i was stuck with it for a few days now and I couldnt get it working... i thought that if i posted them in the community that may be we could get them working soon...
I AM SORRY IF MY ACTIONS HAVE OFFENDED ANYONE
I DID NOT MEAN TO SPOIL ANYONES PLANS
Who has hurt you? They should appreciate what you're doing. Many people don't do that. +1 for this thread.
I wish you much succes with developing.
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Hi everyone... i usually dont create threads like this, but i am deeply hurt, and need to say a few things just to make it to clear to everybody...
I am not the kind of person who will do things for fame/popularity (thanks/etc)
I do this for the sheer fun of it!
I want to help the user community...
they only reason that i have started a few thread recently is that a lot of work can be done faster if ppl help out... rather than one person sitting and doing it..
the only reason i released sources/codes, in the still-in-development threads, is that i was stuck with it for a few days now and I couldnt get it working... i thought that if i posted them in the community that may be we could get them working soon...
I AM SORRY IF MY ACTIONS HAVE OFFENDED ANYONE
I DID NOT MEAN TO SPOIL ANYONES PLANS
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Your first so anybody with a problem will have to deal with it. The way you've put out your info and sources is a great idea so it can become a group collaboration
Your doin great work so keep it up
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Dude, you are one of the most helpful people on the x10 forums. Don't be bothered by such people's comments.
simply ignore those nonsense people.
they dont understand what is the meaning of development and open source
cheers,
L
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@ Dhoom:
Dude, I don't see a problem why you need to be concerned, You are doing Constructive work (no matter how big or small). You are spending some time for x10 which is VERY good. I wish I could contribute in any way I can. (Please PM me if I can be in help with anything).
You really don't have to worry when you're doing good things. You're rocking buddy!
The only thing you need to keep in mind is not to leave the projects incomplete or half done since you've started a couple of em'. If you succeed , I'm sure you have got yourself in one of the epic 'list' who has done tremendous work for x10.
Please keep doing what you do. That's all I can say.
why are you apologising? spoiling anyone's plans? are you kidding me? everyone & I mean everyone should be thankful for what you've done & what you are doing for this community
keep going man
Who in the blue **** gets offended by any sort of android development? You don't need to be apologizing.
Dude just keep doing what your doing. You are one of the most productive people in the x10 forums.
I'm very curious about this. Doom your absolutely great and to be fair your thanks meter says it all. You are definately one of the most helpful guys around here and extreamely knowledgeable about development and stuff. I wonder who was offended you? Perhaps their jelious about your mad skills?! I guess you wont say who exactly has hurt you but I'd be interested if it was a dev or just one us 'regular' kinda guys. Anyway chin up man truely your doing a cracking job *imaginary pint of beer sent your way* to say cheers for your help and to make you smile ;-)
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thank you guys for the encouraging words...
Doomlord tu India ki shaan hai .You have done alot for x10.
You are awesome. Keep up the good work!
Some members are too damn sensitive. Maybe it's their time of the month! ;D
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@ Dhoom:
Dude, I don't see a problem why you need to be concerned, You are doing Constructive work (no matter how big or small). You are spending some time for x10 which is VERY good. I wish I could contribute in any way I can. (Please PM me if I can be in help with anything).
You really don't have to worry when you're doing good things. You're rocking buddy!
The only thing you need to keep in mind is not to leave the projects incomplete or half done since you've started a couple of em'. If you succeed , I'm sure you have got yourself in one of the epic 'list' who has done tremendous work for x10.
Please keep doing what you do. That's all I can say.
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yes i will do my best to complete whtever i start... thing is right now i am stuck with a few things... so thats why asking other devs to help out too...
I appreciate you and your work man....i dont know what the hell happened, but who cares, keep doing what your doing!
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@ doom
You always worked good with the devs as far as I know and you are doing a lot for our x10s many thanks for that doom keep the way you roll men
YOU ARE AWESOME !
I am new to all this stuff, but come on here like 10 times a day to read the mad sh*t i can do to my phone! You are one of the dozen or so names on here that i know i can 100% trust to give good advice. Dont stop what your doing, its awesome.
sent from my X10i running z's freeX10 b4 and lovin' it
Always found your posts informative and very easy to follow. Dont let the idiots push you off the path. Do what you enjoy and we can enjoy what you do .
sent from a x10 with more roms than sense
Double post
Why are you apoligizing??? You are one of the few people around here who teach us, the n00bies, the way to enjoy our phones to unprecedented heights....
Dont listen to that people, and keep doing what you enjoy most... and dont forget that you already are part of the X10 history...
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Please stop with the dumb comments against the devs. This is totally uncalled for and should stop now. I am someone who really enjoy's coming to this site. I come here to read, learn and always am looking for new fun things to flash.
IMO all the devs here are amazing and remember they do this all for free, They dont have to give us nothing but they give us amazing Roms, Kernels and Themes to make our phones better and allows us to customize it how we like. You are all entitled to an opinion but if you have nothing nice to say then you should'nt say it. Dont start crap because your Rom hasnt been updated in a few days, you know the devs are working on it and will release it after its been tested. I know i want something tested before i flash it and i would think you would also. So lets remember we all are here for the same reasons and i would like to make sure the devs know we appreciate them and all they do for us. I dont want devs to start getting pissed and say forget you all so lets try being nicer to them.
Sorry for this but this is just my opinion and i hope you all would agree with me.
^^^Absolutely agree
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+2 absolutely agree. If you don't like how the devs are, STFU and go AWAY. They do amazing things for us. Period.
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Not meant as a rant, just my POV
Why, Why would anyone who is a member or user of XDA, bash on the Developers?? This is ASININE!! The developers here have made your devices so much better than they are stock. they spend countless hours fixing what the carrier and manufacturer screwed up in the first place and pawned off on us as GOOD STUFF Every time I have Questions or Issues with something it has been a developer who helped me, so in return they get all my support. Then I take what I already knew and what I learn here and apply it to helping other who are not at the level i am yet. So if this forum is dedicated to making things better for your devices and your understanding of those devices and its OS, which they MOST definitely ARE, why not show support and ask for help if something is going wrong or you don't understand, most of us are truly here to help. Instead of complaining and bashing do some research and find out how to help yourself, who knows, you might get so addicted to it you become a developer yourself.
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Why, Why would anyone who is a member or user of XDA, bash on the Developers?? This is ASININE!! The developers here have made your devices so much better than they are stock. they spend countless hours fixing what the carrier and manufacturer screwed up in the first place and pawned off on us as GOOD STUFF Every time I have Questions or Issues with something it has been a developer who helped me, so in return they get all my support. Then I take what I already knew and what I learn here and apply it to helping other who are not at the level i am yet. So if this forum is dedicated to making things better for your devices and your understanding of those devices and its OS, which they MOST definitely ARE, why not show support and ask for help if something is going wrong or you don't understand, most of us are truly here to help. Instead of complaining and bashing do some research and find out how to help yourself, who knows, you might get so addicted to it you become a developer yourself.
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Thank you... It's nice to see people are agreeing with me on this.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you. Also, remember to not be frustrated when they can't instantly solve a problem. There is a reason that they make the roms, and you don't. Most people are busy.. maybe they have a job, family, and/or school. The fascinate really has talented people working on it. We are some of the lucky people that flash new toms and kernels without a locked bootloader.
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you know the sad thing about these people, is that they come back.
Could not agree more. There is no need for any slinging in here.
I also get bummed when I sere people *telling* themers what to change.
None of us has to be anything outside of stock. If you opt to participate in the progress, great, enjoy. But know that the guys that build out owe you nothing.
You have it because THEY are awesome.
And OP, I love that you made a thread for this. :thumbup:
Swyped...
Best post I've read in a long while.
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Excellent post.
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Wait, so I can't demand faster updates and better support for all the money that I'm NOT paying? You mean to tell me that I can't catch attitude with the devs who are doing all of this for free? Are you trying to suggest that I can't complain about the bleeding edge software/firmware and a**kicking mods that we get from them when Samsung and Verizon wouldn't walk across the street to piss on our heads if we were on fire? Are you implicating that I don't have the right to leave criticizing posts and berate the devs when this awesome stuff isn't exactly to my liking? Especially when it's user error and all my fault? To sum it all up you're basically saying that it's wrong for me to be an a**hole and totally ungrateul when I've contributed absolutely NOTHING to this community? That's it! I'm getting an iPhone and I'm leaving!
Lol! Great post man! For real! 100% AGREE!
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Great post fitti...and on that note...remember to donate to those you use. It takes so much time to do this kinda stuff, we should at least buy em a beer.
Just curious, but where did you see anyone bashing a developer? The only bashing i have ever seen in the fascinate forum was of people who post things that are obviously not their own work. A lot of comm rom supporters used to have bad attitudes towards nitro for including tsm parts in his rom, but he has gotten rid of those now so there is no reason to be mad at him.
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Just curious, but where did you see anyone bashing a developer?
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I've no idea what he's referring to either.
And the use of the prefix, "[ANNOUNCEMENT]" for this self-righteous rant seems rather pretentious.
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Just curious, but where did you see anyone bashing a developer? The only bashing i have ever seen in the fascinate forum was of people who post things that are obviously not their own work. A lot of comm rom supporters used to have bad attitudes towards nitro for including tsm parts in his rom, but he has gotten rid of those now so there is no reason to be mad at him.
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I think this thread was started in response to chronster's comments in your Crysis Revolution thread about Community ROM being broken and your theme not being made for other ROMs.
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Just curious, but where did you see anyone bashing a developer? The only bashing i have ever seen in the fascinate forum was of people who post things that are obviously not their own work. A lot of comm rom supporters used to have bad attitudes towards nitro for including tsm parts in his rom, but he has gotten rid of those now so there is no reason to be mad at him.
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Well there has been people coming into the posts and complaining that this Rom or theme hasnt been updated. i mean i am all for the newest updates to any of the Roms, themes, launchers and anything you all do for us. So basically i was just trying to put it out there that anyone who is not contributing to any dev or mods should just be patient and in time all their ROMS, Themes, CWM and everything that you all do will get done. I was just getting tired of people demanding stuff, i mean come on if you want something bad enough and you can't wait then oh well learn to do it yourself. There are plenty of people waiting for Comrom v 2.0 and they will have to wait until it has been tested and released, when it is it will be awesome b/c these good people who have jobs and lives outside of this posts are willing to do amazing stuff in their free time. I know your Tw4 is going to be awesome and you do amazing work.
I just want everyone to be nice to you all as they should be showing their appreciation instead of sometimes being asses to some of the devs. I didnt enjoy my phone when i first got it and now i love it because of all that you all do... I just wanted you all to know it and i hoped everyone else agrees with me.
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I think this thread was started in response to chronster's comments in your Crysis Revolution thread about Community ROM being broken and your theme not being made for other ROMs.
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Landshark you hit the nail on the head. Thank you for that.
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Landshark you hit the nail on the head. Thank you for that.
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Well, remember the troll from that thread blamed his lack of meds as the problem.... yeah I didn't buy it either.
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Our devs rule and everyone knows it. Anyone who would bash them is clearly a troll or an idiot, or both, and shouldn't be paid an ounce of attention.
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Just curious, but where did you see anyone bashing a developer? The only bashing i have ever seen in the fascinate forum was of people who post things that are obviously not their own work. A lot of comm rom supporters used to have bad attitudes towards nitro for including tsm parts in his rom, but he has gotten rid of those now so there is no reason to be mad at him.
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yeah it wasnt just chronster though....if you actually want to bang your head against the wall there are dozens of lousy comments in the com rom thread about "this rom is broken, why release this..blah blah"
really irritating
To all those wondering what Kholk has been up too lately, this is what I came back to find in the IRC chat after going AFK..
* kholk ([email protected] IP/kholk) has joined #moto-atrix
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<kholk> re.
<AstainHellbring> hi
<kholk> hi AstainHellbring
<kholk> I'm here only to say a fast thing
<kholk> about those morons that are constantly attacking me
<kholk> well, I hope in this channel there's still a logbot
<kholk> but if there isn't, someone'll make them to see what I'm writing
<kholk> anyway
<kholk> dedicated to the guys that are constantly attacking me:
<kholk> 1. You're only morons, if only you'd know 1/800 of the things that I've done, you'd be the king of the world now.
<kholk> 2. If that's a "Thank you for working on the Atrix for months, night and day", you should say it in a different way. Really.
<kholk> 3. Really, I don't know how to explain what I want to say to you, but.. only bad words.
<kholk> 4. Enjoy without me.
<kholk> Goodbye!
* kholk ([email protected] IP/kholk) has left #moto-atrix
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To all those wondering what Kholk has been up too lately, this is what I came back to find in the IRC chat after going AFK..
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He has also tweeted he is working on other phones still naming the project eternity. I really never seen anything from him but words, no results. Im not sad.
Great! Now we have lost a great dev because of a few assholes! Yes, we do still have great devs and with those devs, we will be ok. However, kholk has put a lot of work into the atrix and this is how we thank him? By running him away. He would have been a great contributor to the atrix! Just look at some other phones he has made ROMs and kernels for! He truly is a great dev and now he won't even be helping us! And I hope kholk sees this and comes back. These devs need to know that we appreciate then or they leave, like this! Everyone who appreciates the things he has done so far, comment here, show him we appreciate it and maybe, just maybe hell come back.
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SMH to all those who just have negative comments about everything... Did you pay a membership fee to join XDA?.... Didn't think so, therefore there should be less complaining and moaning and more "Keep your mouth shut". This is not directed at just those who bad mouth Kholk but at those who bad mouth everything that happens on this site.
If you want something done and it is not happening in a manner in which you would "LIKE" it done, then become a developer you lazy moochers. Other then that you should have complete patience as the developers here owe no one person anything. If you donated and you feel it was a waste, then why did you donate? better off with out the lot of you IMO who are always saying, "whats the status on the bootloader?", "When is CM7 being ported?", Why did I donate to see zero results?".. I don't know, why did you donate? hahah
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Great! Now we have lost a great dev because of a few assholes! Yes, we do still have great devs and with those devs, we will be ok. However, kholk has put a lot of work into the atrix and this is how we thank him? By running him away. He would have been a great contributor to the atrix! Just look at some other phones he has made ROMs and kernels for! He truly is a great dev and now he won't even be helping us! And I hope kholk sees this and comes back. These devs need to know that we appreciate then or they leave, like this! Everyone who appreciates the things he has done so far, comment here, show him we appreciate it and maybe, just maybe hell come back.
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Yes I have seen his other ROMS, but that does not help us here. I guess that tenfar, Sograth, eval_, unknown_, Edgan, The2dCour and many others have not done anything as amazing as kholk's work for the Atrix. O PLEASE COME BACK.
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SMH to all those who just have negative comments about everything... Did you pay a membership fee to join XDA?.... Didn't think so, therefore there should be less complaining and moaning and more "Keep your mouth shut". This is not directed at just those who bad mouth Kholk but at those who bad mouth everything that happens on this site.
If you want something done and it is not happening in a manner in which you would "LIKE" it done, then become a developer you lazy moochers. Other then that you should have complete patience as the developers here owe no one person anything. If you donated and you feel it was a waste, then why did you donate? better off with out the lot of you IMO who are always saying, "whats the status on the bootloader?", "When is CM7 being ported?", Why did I donate to see zero results?".. I don't know, why did you donate? hahah
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Stated like a pro! Your exactly correct! Kholk is only going to be the first to go if people don't straighten up! The atrix has taken a long time to be unlocked. A lot of devs are already working on phones that came unlocked that are already out! Don't push the great devs that we have now away! Also, I do believe this belongs in the dev section, the general section and every other atrix section! People need to express their gratitude and the devs need to see that they are greatly appreciated!
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wow that really is too bad...
It's a shame a dev can be attacked like that by so many...its even more of a shame that a dev ( as hard as it can be ) can take all of those attacks to heart so much that they actually abandon their projects.
Sometimes dev forums can be like high school yes, however we are (mostly) adults here and insults and attacks should only be taken with a grain of salt... although some members can be huge troll's there does need to be some level of thick skinned'ness as an adult and some of us DO need to learn to let the majority of insults and attacks roll off of your back.
This is the real world folks and there are thousands of members in the Atrix community alone that don't understand how to code and program. As a result there will be harsh words spoken and as immature as they are you need to learn to let go.
There truly are more members here that aren't trolling and are extremely great-full for the work that devs put in since us (real) adults know that we would never be able to understand what and how you do things.
It's disappointing that he is no longer involved because of being perhaps a little sensitive to criticism and i hope kholk reads this so that he may come back with the understanding that there are just deuchbags in this world and there is nothing we can do about it and i think this goes for all dev's on any phone in any forum.
Kholk thank you for very much for your hard work that you put in. Know that it has not gone un-appreciated. There are just more people that appreciate it than don't.
On that note i end this rant in the hopes that more dev's don't jump ship due simply to the fact that there are people in this world that either simply don't have nice things to say, don't understand how difficult coding is and don't appreciate the hard work...
If you aren't good with criticism then perhaps you don't belong in a community where sharing your work is expected.
cheers
Well, as far as I can tell, kholk talked a lot about what he was working on but I don't know what he has accomplished. I'm not saying he accomplished nothing, I just have no idea what he actually did. From the results produced by the other devs for this phone, I am happy with the results and can suffer a tantrum.
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Yes I have seen his other ROMS, but that does not help us here. I guess that tenfar, Sograth, eval_, unknown_, Edgan, The2dCour and many others have not done anything as amazing as kholk's work for the Atrix. O PLEASE COME BACK.
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I never said that! I have told every one of them that I appreciate what they have done! Everything each of them has done is great! I am saying that we need every dev we can get! I am not saying that kholk is any better than any of those guys. I am saying that we could have benefited from his developments. I, for one, don't want to see any of our devs go. EVERY ONE of then are great to have and do amazing things with such a complex device!
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I never said that! I have told every one of them that I appreciate what they have done! Everything each of them has done is great! I am saying that we need every dev we can get! I am not saying that kholk is any better than any of those guys. I am saying that we could have benefited from his developments. I, for one, don't want to see any of our devs go. EVERY ONE of then are great to have and do amazing things with such a complex device!
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My point being is this. Alot of our community has put Kholk on this high pedestal. He gave us tidbits of information on things he was working on, but no results. I know its free (blah blah blah), but when you offer anything up, you should except criticism.
Everyone please take note. The majority of the criticism directed towards kholk was not from the screaming masses and idiots on xda, but from very well respected people in this community. If you have been on IRC, you know who I am talking about. I don't know if that changes anything in your eyes, but this is not an example of trolls driving a dev out.
Kholks problem was that he simply promised too much and didn't deliver. He asked for money as though his projects were mostly or partially complete, but never actually published them. I don't doubt that he is intelligent, he simply overreached himself on the ATRIX, and the community after a very long time, did backlash against him.
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Very sad indeed :-(
Yeah, I have no idea who this guy is... nuff' said?
I've been happy with the devs producing results in this forum. I tip my hat to you.
EDIT: I just did a little research and found his contributions. He was providing valuable information and I retract my earlier statement. We all hope you return Kholk.
He folded based on the words of morons.
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Well, that's a bit disheartening.
We'll miss you Kholk.
One more reason for me to grab the Nexus "Prime" when it drops in the Fall. Don't get me wrong I love my Atrix (my first Android phone) & I like helping people on this forum and contributing where u can. But if the Nexus goes AT&T, then I go too... On topic now, I am sorry to see any dev leave b/c of petty remarks. Kholk, you will be missed.
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You wanna know what kholk was doing for the atrix community, ill show you!
(if you install any of this and break your phone please dont go bothering the devs that are ACTUALLY WORKING hard to get stuff for your atrix)
kholks OC kernels, and kexec kernels based on the oldest 1.2.6 source available.
http://www.4shared.com/file/KgYP7x60/kholkskernels.html?
kholks UART work! clearly unfinish, as well as clearly unwilling to help another dev to finish it, with his amazing, IM NOT AT HOME! excuse, everyone is so use to listening
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081743
kholks CM7 and Gentto webtop
oh yeah, he claimed to have it but never release it.
theres people daily, working there ass off, who never ask for donation, never claim nothing they coudnt do, all day everyday working their ass off, kholk is not needed! so stop whining kholk is gone, and wheep the money he stole from y'all. he may have done awesome on other phones, but here in the atrix comunity, he was a thief.
kholks < desingears, Edgan, eval-, The2dCour, Sogarth, fenrir, etc etc
BTW THIS POST CLEARLY BELONGS TO GENERAL!
I don't like the ingrates and morons, but the internet is the thunderdome. If you can't take the heat then leave. He can be melodramatic all he wants.
It's a shame that he was a great dev though. Maybe he'll man up in the future but I'm not going to lick his balls because he's having a big fuss fuss. We can all remember this in the future too. Be respectful to the devs rather than chasing them away. I don't even post in this section anymore unless I have a burning question. Everyone goes completely off topic and flames each other constantly.
I'm sick of seeing threads like this in the developer section. By all means this is a general section thread.
Yes, sad to see him go.
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Seriously, most of the attacks were fun **** talking between boredom on irc. Be a man kholk not a mouse. Never would of thought he was such a fragile little biznitch. Im besides myself. Kholk is a true hustler.
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PLEASE!!!I JUST WANT TO SAY every devs were here to help us !!but they dont have to help us they can enjoy every thing theirself !!!dev a rom isnt easy so just give them respect and enjoy their works~
sorry for my bad english...
some are just not mature enough to learn "Respect" and dev's also a human who need to have a life too.
i just dont get it.... why is so many people wnt to get their thing but without any greatfulnes and keep pushing the devs ...I hope DX will return for us ...i love his work so much -.-.....
+1 respect the devs, people are starting to make threads about saying to the devs to hurry up with there work. be patient, if you want a rom at your own time, they you should try making a rom.
Just look in the "how old are you" topic. It explains everything about that rude behaviour that broke out in some topic. 90% of the people are less than 18 years old here, no wonder that the x8 threads are dying because of some unbelievably stupid men who don't even realize what should go on here... Naturally, respect for the other forumers of course. I myself got ashamed because of some ppl. Argh, I'm a littlebit angry now...
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DX, Racth, FXP, KuyaGaol, Indonesian Devs they are still developing/cooking ROMs because it is there passion or hobby. But not anymore here in XDA. People who tried to help in the development will more likely get an update to there ROMs. The reason why respect never exist on some people its because of there selfishness they are full of mouths and idea but intelectually incapacitated so there obsessions make them push dev as if they paid them.
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DX, Racth, FXP, KuyaGaol, Indonesian Devs they are still developing/cooking ROMs because it is there passion or hobby. But not anymore here in XDA. People who tried to help in the development will more likely get an update to there ROMs. The reason why respect never exist on some people its because of there selfishness they are full of mouths and idea but intelectually incapacitated so there obsessions make them push dev as if they paid them.
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Hey could you give links to their site pretty please?+5 btw
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They dont have site. Indonesian devs release there ROMS is indonesian FB Community. ICS Dev Team is for private persons only..
People that are always complaining and asking the devs for rushing the work will also be asking for the links of their private communities, so they can go there and start asking the same things..
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Those devs also have life... not just making roms..!!! f......
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Just look in the "how old are you" topic. It explains everything about that rude behaviour that broke out in some topic. 90% of the people are less than 18 years old here, no wonder that the x8 threads are dying because of some unbelievably stupid men who don't even realize what should go on here... Naturally, respect for the other forumers of course. I myself got ashamed because of some ppl. Argh, I'm a littlebit angry now...
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you're right, im under 18 actually under 14 but i respect the devs and the devs work, they do have a personal life, but due to some morons round here even fxp and ratch have left us, were lucky doixanh is still here
thanks for your brilliant roms and works doixanh
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DX, Racth, FXP, KuyaGaol, Indonesian Devs they are still developing/cooking ROMs because it is there passion or hobby. But not anymore here in XDA. People who tried to help in the development will more likely get an update to there ROMs. The reason why respect never exist on some people its because of there selfishness they are full of mouths and idea but intelectually incapacitated so there obsessions make them push dev as if they paid them.
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Mika Dee said:
They dont have site. Indonesian devs release there ROMS is indonesian FB Community. ICS Dev Team is for private persons only..
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While it is nice to know that doixanh may be continuing developing GingerDX inside his Indonesian community I find it very discomforting that we now have to jump through an array of hoops to _maybe_ get an update for the ROM - thanks to unthankful, and highly disgusting, ill mannered kids who should actually be forbidden to run wild as they please on the Internet (and also thanks to moderators who fail their job to have a look at what's going on and enforcing rules at misbehaviour).
While I switched to the SGS Galaxy S2 as my main phone now I will actually keep the X8 because I had to buy the new phone with a brand new SIM therefore new phone number, so I would be interested in ROM updates if there will be any.
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Just look in the "how old are you" topic. It explains everything about that rude behaviour that broke out in some topic. 90% of the people are less than 18 years old here, no wonder that the x8 threads are dying because of some unbelievably stupid men who don't even realize what should go on here... Naturally, respect for the other forumers of course. I myself got ashamed because of some ppl. Argh, I'm a littlebit angry now...
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You have no idea how right you are, Asycid. You have my deep sincere sympathy - I actually feel highly ashamed about the display of epically ill mannered behaviour which took place - and I actually detest the people involved in the bust up for driving one of the best developers away from here.
But then, they got what they asked for. I understand doixanh's decision perfectly ... he simply doesn't need to put up with it as he simply didn't deserve being insulted by a bunch of np-brainers.
Anyway, I think it was all for the better. They wrecked the experience for their phones themselves - I just hope they lack the allowance to move on to other, better, devices so they can't continue their quest to wreck this place.
simple (for me)
RESPECT = just shut up and hit THANKS or DONATE for devs who make our device better
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While it is nice to know that doixanh may be continuing developing GingerDX inside his Indonesian community I find it very discomforting that we now have to jump through an array of hoops to _maybe_ get an update for the ROM - thanks to unthankful, and highly disgusting, ill mannered kids who should actually be forbidden to run wild as they please on the Internet (and also thanks to moderators who fail their job to have a look at what's going on and enforcing rules at misbehaviour).
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thats true, like i said in my other post, were lucky we still have dx,
i am a kid but i dont like to be pushy, ill mannered etc. i like to help people and not make them upset. whoever it is from a junior memeber to a developer you should always respect them!
-wilbso
I'll leave this thread open untill i'll see some stupid flame wars, trolls or whatever.Then i'll close it.
Since X8 Forum is being trolled and spamed 24/7 i'll just wait patiently and wait until a dev get's really pissed off about this... Thare are more threads like this. Please just be quiet and have a merry little chrismas!
Hey guys I've observed the DEV section recently. What I see is a lot of trolling, flamming, spamming and etc. That's out of my hands, 'cause if I try and tell them off, I would be contributing to the spam and trolling. Plus, stuff like that is usually between user and user. What REALLY pisses me off is that there are some users who actually have the balls to question and berate the DEVS themselves ! Imagine, these hardworking group of people, who have no obligation to us or duty to fulfill, are sacrificing their time, energy, money (electric bills don't pay themselves and PCs don't run on petrol ) and resources to develop something for us to use from day to day. May I remind you that it is all free ? But what faith awaits these people ? Money ? Fame (yeah, well maybe a little ) ? Keys to a Ferrari ? NO. They are rewarded with demands and insults from normal users who do nothing to help ! I'm not a moderator, so I can't step up and do anything to these ungrateful b*startds. Not only that. While the devs are hard at work developing a new ROM or MOD, they expect to open up their threads, hoping for some useful bug reports. But no. What they do see is a bunch of ETA's, complaints and repeated questions. All I CAN do is sit and advice and advice and advice...but what I see is trolls and such have gotten bolder. Even I've lost my patience with these people and nowadays I tell it as it is. I know mods can't be here 24/7, so of coarse stuff like this is bound to happen. Hey, even they have lives. There are users who actually care and try to advice these trolls, like lucastan96, deedii, colossus and wilbso. Unfortunately, their time, effort and kindness too, as their words are falling on deaf ears now. So what do you guys think ? I want to know if you guys have any advice to contribute or any suggestions to give...from what i see, if this nonsense continues, development in the X8 forums will slowly become extinct...
P.S. No flamming, trolling or disrespecting here either ! And if you're one of the trolls, please don't waste your time clarifying of defending yourselves...no one wants to hear it...
Well now! Nice words above, Rohin. I totally agree of what you are saying. Trolls, if you re-read all your posts carefully, those including stupid arguements and asking ETAs, you should realize you are scaring the developers away from our beloved forum. I am really very fed up with trolls here in the forum, except for one particular thread "Off Topic" thread created by moderator Zelendel. Guys, seriously, stop acting like kids begging people for some answers of something, especially in the dev forum. Or, you still want to say something that is TOO TOTALLY OFF TOPIC? The thread is there for you.
All I can say is you guys trolls just make me lost my appetite everyday.
Be wise, and rethink of the occasion when ICS was firstly ported to our phones by Troufiniou and other people. How is the thread being bombadded by those stupid trolls? (Just go see the thread, the one created by Rohin)
I dont mean to make the people here angry. All I want is to live in a peaceful and caring forum. So, guys, I had decided my birthday wish. I want all the trolls to take a vacation.
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Whoa... didn't take long to reach "enlightenment", RohinZaraki...
Well, welcome to the Zoo - where everyone seems to think we owe them something or we're somehow obligated to do as they say.
You better get used to the fact that they will never learn, simply out of the fact that the average age around here in this section seems to range between "still liquid" up to 14-16.
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Whoa... didn't take long to reach "enlightenment", RohinZaraki...
Well, welcome to the Zoo - where everyone seems to think we owe them something or we're somehow obligated to do as they say.
You better get used to the fact that they will never learn, simply out of the fact that the average age around here in this section seems to range between "still liquid" up to 14-16.
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Well im 15 and even i know these clowns are slave driving the devs...pisses me off to see it happen. And im just a user..cant imagine how the devs feel
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I pity the moderators too. Dont you?
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maybe some people came here without reading the forum rules and just post what they want:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=849&a=81
if they read the forum rules and post within those rules it would be much better without flaming and spamming.
Well, at least themed ROMs are blocked now. Now you see there's less ROMs being released recently. Thanks go to Colossus for enforcing this great rule.
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Some people basically has never done charity work. They dont know how it feels to work their as* off for free.
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I pity the moderators too. Dont you?
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I do...but mods have the power to change things around here...all we can do is open up new threads after new threads trying to change people's mindsets...
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Those are words of wisdom , I don't see why people just go flame or troll for no reason , they have too much time in their hands.
just stop responding to these people.....well your speech is quite effective......nowadays we should have a reserved post for THIS.
Ignoring is one thing...i mean, i could just ignore these retards and move on...but think of how the devs feel...thats what im poking at
B.Jay is right and so was JahlovePL-in miui by jahlove,his last comment,he specified that this community cannot respect others work....devs feel bad...yeah they do....we can do nothing about it....only some members keep this community alive.....just think of them as positive side..
This thread should be made a stcky...
Sticky or not, i know trolls wont take the time to read this abd even if they do, they'll just shrug it off...but it looks like the trolling and disrespecting has sloeed down these past few days
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OK,OK,I already apologized to jahlove,btw,I fixed wifi on his miui 4 beta 3,that is a apologize gift
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Totally agree with u.. and would try my best to spread this..
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Agree, too. Some devs leaved xda because of the idiots how dont
respect their work (Not in this section but in other devices).
Maybe dev section should be shut down for normal users and a dicussion thread for every rom could be started? Just an idea..
Great thread. Haven't read much of those troll posts in dev section as I hang around in General and Q&A most of the time (don't know enough to be helpful to the devs). Hope the trolls read this and stop trolling. Maybe they'd realize what would happen without those devs. We owe those guys HUGE.