Please stop with the dumb comments against the devs. This is totally uncalled for and should stop now. I am someone who really enjoy's coming to this site. I come here to read, learn and always am looking for new fun things to flash.
IMO all the devs here are amazing and remember they do this all for free, They dont have to give us nothing but they give us amazing Roms, Kernels and Themes to make our phones better and allows us to customize it how we like. You are all entitled to an opinion but if you have nothing nice to say then you should'nt say it. Dont start crap because your Rom hasnt been updated in a few days, you know the devs are working on it and will release it after its been tested. I know i want something tested before i flash it and i would think you would also. So lets remember we all are here for the same reasons and i would like to make sure the devs know we appreciate them and all they do for us. I dont want devs to start getting pissed and say forget you all so lets try being nicer to them.
Sorry for this but this is just my opinion and i hope you all would agree with me.
^^^Absolutely agree
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+2 absolutely agree. If you don't like how the devs are, STFU and go AWAY. They do amazing things for us. Period.
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Not meant as a rant, just my POV
Why, Why would anyone who is a member or user of XDA, bash on the Developers?? This is ASININE!! The developers here have made your devices so much better than they are stock. they spend countless hours fixing what the carrier and manufacturer screwed up in the first place and pawned off on us as GOOD STUFF Every time I have Questions or Issues with something it has been a developer who helped me, so in return they get all my support. Then I take what I already knew and what I learn here and apply it to helping other who are not at the level i am yet. So if this forum is dedicated to making things better for your devices and your understanding of those devices and its OS, which they MOST definitely ARE, why not show support and ask for help if something is going wrong or you don't understand, most of us are truly here to help. Instead of complaining and bashing do some research and find out how to help yourself, who knows, you might get so addicted to it you become a developer yourself.
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Why, Why would anyone who is a member or user of XDA, bash on the Developers?? This is ASININE!! The developers here have made your devices so much better than they are stock. they spend countless hours fixing what the carrier and manufacturer screwed up in the first place and pawned off on us as GOOD STUFF Every time I have Questions or Issues with something it has been a developer who helped me, so in return they get all my support. Then I take what I already knew and what I learn here and apply it to helping other who are not at the level i am yet. So if this forum is dedicated to making things better for your devices and your understanding of those devices and its OS, which they MOST definitely ARE, why not show support and ask for help if something is going wrong or you don't understand, most of us are truly here to help. Instead of complaining and bashing do some research and find out how to help yourself, who knows, you might get so addicted to it you become a developer yourself.
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Thank you... It's nice to see people are agreeing with me on this.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you. Also, remember to not be frustrated when they can't instantly solve a problem. There is a reason that they make the roms, and you don't. Most people are busy.. maybe they have a job, family, and/or school. The fascinate really has talented people working on it. We are some of the lucky people that flash new toms and kernels without a locked bootloader.
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you know the sad thing about these people, is that they come back.
Could not agree more. There is no need for any slinging in here.
I also get bummed when I sere people *telling* themers what to change.
None of us has to be anything outside of stock. If you opt to participate in the progress, great, enjoy. But know that the guys that build out owe you nothing.
You have it because THEY are awesome.
And OP, I love that you made a thread for this. :thumbup:
Swyped...
Best post I've read in a long while.
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Excellent post.
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Wait, so I can't demand faster updates and better support for all the money that I'm NOT paying? You mean to tell me that I can't catch attitude with the devs who are doing all of this for free? Are you trying to suggest that I can't complain about the bleeding edge software/firmware and a**kicking mods that we get from them when Samsung and Verizon wouldn't walk across the street to piss on our heads if we were on fire? Are you implicating that I don't have the right to leave criticizing posts and berate the devs when this awesome stuff isn't exactly to my liking? Especially when it's user error and all my fault? To sum it all up you're basically saying that it's wrong for me to be an a**hole and totally ungrateul when I've contributed absolutely NOTHING to this community? That's it! I'm getting an iPhone and I'm leaving!
Lol! Great post man! For real! 100% AGREE!
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Great post fitti...and on that note...remember to donate to those you use. It takes so much time to do this kinda stuff, we should at least buy em a beer.
Just curious, but where did you see anyone bashing a developer? The only bashing i have ever seen in the fascinate forum was of people who post things that are obviously not their own work. A lot of comm rom supporters used to have bad attitudes towards nitro for including tsm parts in his rom, but he has gotten rid of those now so there is no reason to be mad at him.
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I've no idea what he's referring to either.
And the use of the prefix, "[ANNOUNCEMENT]" for this self-righteous rant seems rather pretentious.
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Just curious, but where did you see anyone bashing a developer? The only bashing i have ever seen in the fascinate forum was of people who post things that are obviously not their own work. A lot of comm rom supporters used to have bad attitudes towards nitro for including tsm parts in his rom, but he has gotten rid of those now so there is no reason to be mad at him.
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I think this thread was started in response to chronster's comments in your Crysis Revolution thread about Community ROM being broken and your theme not being made for other ROMs.
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Just curious, but where did you see anyone bashing a developer? The only bashing i have ever seen in the fascinate forum was of people who post things that are obviously not their own work. A lot of comm rom supporters used to have bad attitudes towards nitro for including tsm parts in his rom, but he has gotten rid of those now so there is no reason to be mad at him.
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Well there has been people coming into the posts and complaining that this Rom or theme hasnt been updated. i mean i am all for the newest updates to any of the Roms, themes, launchers and anything you all do for us. So basically i was just trying to put it out there that anyone who is not contributing to any dev or mods should just be patient and in time all their ROMS, Themes, CWM and everything that you all do will get done. I was just getting tired of people demanding stuff, i mean come on if you want something bad enough and you can't wait then oh well learn to do it yourself. There are plenty of people waiting for Comrom v 2.0 and they will have to wait until it has been tested and released, when it is it will be awesome b/c these good people who have jobs and lives outside of this posts are willing to do amazing stuff in their free time. I know your Tw4 is going to be awesome and you do amazing work.
I just want everyone to be nice to you all as they should be showing their appreciation instead of sometimes being asses to some of the devs. I didnt enjoy my phone when i first got it and now i love it because of all that you all do... I just wanted you all to know it and i hoped everyone else agrees with me.
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I think this thread was started in response to chronster's comments in your Crysis Revolution thread about Community ROM being broken and your theme not being made for other ROMs.
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Landshark you hit the nail on the head. Thank you for that.
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Landshark you hit the nail on the head. Thank you for that.
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Well, remember the troll from that thread blamed his lack of meds as the problem.... yeah I didn't buy it either.
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Our devs rule and everyone knows it. Anyone who would bash them is clearly a troll or an idiot, or both, and shouldn't be paid an ounce of attention.
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Just curious, but where did you see anyone bashing a developer? The only bashing i have ever seen in the fascinate forum was of people who post things that are obviously not their own work. A lot of comm rom supporters used to have bad attitudes towards nitro for including tsm parts in his rom, but he has gotten rid of those now so there is no reason to be mad at him.
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yeah it wasnt just chronster though....if you actually want to bang your head against the wall there are dozens of lousy comments in the com rom thread about "this rom is broken, why release this..blah blah"
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You people that are requesting everything on gods green earth just relax. Froyo just dropped yesterday. I'm sure the devs don't want to be up all night porting your theme request, and apps.
Just be thankful that we have froyo. Everyone *****ed about not having froyo. Now your just overloading the forums of request. Just give it time it will come.
Thanks devs for all the work. Happy with a stock froyo !!!
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I agree brotha! Hell, im loving the vanilla experience alone!
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I approve.
+1 wait for our devs to bring us great things for froyo. If what your looking for is not there in the next weeks or months, then ask.. There is a great possibility that they already know what froyo needs.. I'm sure voodoo and a proper cwm will be first on their list... Then cleaning, fixing, and getting rid of the verizon spy..
Just give them some coffee money to keep them on the fascinate band wagon..and hope it keeps them from jumping on the new dual core phones coming out soon
Thanks jt and kaos!! Good work and thanks to all the rest that I don't know the names of
Rocking dj05 and jt's voodoo 5
Agree completely. I saw requests yesterday evening on the forums, which is absurd. You can't expect the devs to get a froyo leak working AND release a complete library of froyo themes and ROMs on the same day. I'm sure within the next few weeks there will be MORE than enough ROMs and themes to go around.
If anything they deserve a thank you thread for what they do! Not request
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Just because someone requests something does not mean they expect it, much less immediately. Perhaps there have been some rude people who did give off such an attitude, but it's hardly fair to lump the properly appreciative and understanding folks in with them.
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Just because someone requests something does not mean they expect it, much less immediately. Perhaps there have been some rude people who did give off such an attitude, but it's hardly fair to lump the properly appreciative and understanding folks in with them.
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It still doesn't matter. Its not the time. Just relax. I'm sure the last thing the devastate wanna read is requests. How about some thank you threads. It hasn't even been a full day
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You people that are requesting everything on gods green earth just relax. Froyo just dropped yesterday. I'm sure the devs don't want to be up all night porting your theme request, and apps.
Just be thankful that we have froyo. Everyone *****ed about not having froyo. Now your just overloading the forums of request. Just give it time it will come.
Thanks devs for all the work. Happy with a stock froyo !!!
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+1 I've been watchin these forums for a little over a month just waitin for froyo... Im thrilled ****less in 3 days from the official 2.2 leak and we're going to have what 4 diff ROMS... I dont think devs mind bug reports the first while, then maybe some suggestions. If your going to request I'd suggest attatch that to a donation towards there time and hard work...
Blue Froyo
The Nook Color has Honeycomb, where is mine...
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It still doesn't matter. Its not the time. Just relax. I'm sure the last thing the devastate wanna read is requests. How about some thank you threads. It hasn't even been a full day
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Actually it does matter. Attitudes like this and "angry mob" threads will just scare people off or prevent them from posting for fear of being pounced on. Not the best way to foster a community. And I can't speak for XDA as I rarely post here, but PLENTY of people on another board I frequent have not been shy with their praise of devs and contributors. Just because there aren't specific threads for it doesn't mean no one gets thanked
But anyway just my two cents. You may all resume burning effigies.
on a lighter note, nitsuj is a beast at theming, cranking out a couple themes mere hours after the leak went up.
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on a lighter note, nitsuj is a beast at theming, cranking out a couple themes mere hours after the leak went up.
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Man I agree! Hes being going crazy with froyo..
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Actually it does matter. Attitudes like this and "angry mob" threads will just scare people off or prevent them from posting for fear of being pounced on. Not the best way to foster a community. And I can't speak for XDA as I rarely post here, but PLENTY of people on another board I frequent have not been shy with their praise of devs and contributors. Just because there aren't specific threads for it doesn't mean no one gets thanked
But anyway just my two cents. You may all resume burning effigies.
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You are reading way into this.
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You are reading way into this.
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That's entirely possible, and if I've offended anyone then I do apologize, I just don't see the harm in people (politely) requesting ports of this or that theme. It gives the devs/modders a good idea of what's popular and therefore what to focus on if they feel so inclined.
If the offense scares noobs from posting where's my froyo? I'm willing to do it.
I'm tired of the honeycomb and gingerbread threads...
If it scares them to simply searching and reading threads, than I'm willing to take the hit as an offensive member... It's rediculous how many noobs think they are obligated. If someone needs help, they can follow the proper channels rather than posting on development forum where everyone is eagerly waiting for the latest and greatest...
i dont see a problem with request.. we all love what we have.. but i believe request are an idea.. now ya gingerbread and honeycomb, thats pretty absurd but i believe ppl are giving ideas asking questions.. thats what forums are about right?? we all appreciate what the devs do.. they doo everything.. make all of our hacking dreams come true and its awesome!! and im def down for thank you threads.. they deserve more than that.. any devs in ohio, ide gladly buy u a beer.. but forums are for discussions. ppl should be able to say what they want without being criticized, unless there ridiculous(gingerbread honeycomb)
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i dont see a problem with request.. we all love what we have.. but i believe request are an idea.. now ya gingerbread and honeycomb, thats pretty absurd but i believe ppl are giving ideas asking questions.. thats what forums are about right?? we all appreciate what the devs do.. they doo everything.. make all of our hacking dreams come true and its awesome!! and im def down for thank you threads.. they deserve more than that.. any devs in ohio, ide gladly buy u a beer.. but forums are for discussions. ppl should be able to say what they want without being criticized, unless there ridiculous(gingerbread honeycomb)
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This I agree with, I see no harm in people requesting themes, like someone else said it is good to know what is popular, it's not like most are trying to demand it or expect it to happen immediately.
People asking about Gingerbread and Honeycomb is a little crazy, while I think they should search but it really doesn't bother me all that much. Worse case scenario answer them or don't.
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This I agree with, I see no harm in people requesting themes, like someone else said it is good to know what is popular, it's not like most are trying to demand it or expect it to happen immediately.
People asking about Gingerbread and Honeycomb is a little crazy, while I think they should search but it really doesn't bother me all that much. Worse case scenario answer them or don't.
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exactly.. if you dont like what you see.. ignore it.. plain n simple.. but im not 100% on this but isnt honeycomb a tablet only interface??
I guess when your phone just runs amazing it is getting hard to make it better. I keep trolling XDA for something worth reading or trying but nodda.
Thanks Dev for all that you have done but are we coming close to the end of development for the Vibrant? Any insight as to what might be some things to look forward to in the future?
Updated - Changed the title because I meant no disrespect
When I say no ROM worth trying I guess I need to be more specific. I currently run Bionix-V and right now don't see any ROM that is a huge improvement worth switching from.. But to clarify there are several very good ROM's out for our Vibrants..
maybe you should wait til they release a source code for 2.2
actually, just leave now.
Wow dont you think thats a slap in the face. I mean I actually think eugene is working with source first of all.
Secondly I "hear" they are working on gingerbread as there is a proof of concept in the development forum.
So once again.. dont you think this is a slap in the face to those who are working are to bring more features to us?
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No Roms worth trying no kernels no modems. I guess when your phone just runs amazing it is getting hard to make it better. I keep trolling XDA for something worth reading or trying but nodda.
Thanks Dev for all that you have done but are we coming close to the end of development for the Vibrant? Any insight as to what might be some things to look forward to in the future?
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As for your questions, we still have Sense to look forward to (Barak, if you some how see this, good luck with your family situation,) new ROMs from TW/Eugene, etc. Possibilities are truly endless.
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Wow dont you think thats a slap in the face. I mean I actually think eugene is working with source first of all.
Secondly I "hear" they are working on gingerbread as there is a proof of concept in the development forum.
So once again.. dont you think this is a slap in the face to those who are working are to bring more features to us?
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WHAT???? "dont you think this is a slap in the face to those who are working are to bring more features to us?"
Are you smoking crack? I have donated and appreciate everything the Dev's have done and are doing to make our phones experience better.
But since the last few solid ROMS have come out for 2.2 there really has been little new development that actually improves your phones performance.
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I'm confused by this post. Actually I'm very shocked by this post.
Did you even look at the Dev forum? There are a ton of ROMS and the ROMS available are continuously being updated , some even are getting 2 or more updates per week!
How can you say the Vibrant is dead?
I can answer my own question:
1. You are just trolling OR
2. You need to learn how to use your reading comprehension skills and read more
Because there is plenty of action going on for development for the Vibrant. Give it some time man. The source code that is in the Dev section is a leaked one that Eugene got his hands on. Samsung hasn't even officially released it yet. Once they do there will be a swarm of updates to these ROMS we have already AND there will be new ones.
IDK, sorry for my rant. I usually don't even reply to these kind of seemingly troll posts but you probably should just take the other guys suggestion and just leave the forums. Because you just slapped the great Devs that help us all make our Vibrants one of the most customizable phones around.
Don't bash any devs with a statement like yours, and then at the end of your post thank the devs. That brief "thanks" to the devs doesn't take away the SLAP in the face you just gave them
PS. Just for your info and a reply to your last statement about performance enhancements to the Vibrants... My phone KILLS my girlfriends stock Nexus S in performance and looks in every way possible. I can't even bog my phone down and I'm not even overclocked. I'm running a "stock" Bionix V 1.2
stop feeding the trolls
Ha.. This is funny.. People get fired up and I am not even attacking anyone. I just was trying to strike of some interesting conversation on future project or things to look forward to in the near future.
Geeze peeps.. Chillz the hell out...
It's a trap!
Let me get my .02 in before this thread gets justifiably locked.
To the OP, what are you looking for? To say this forum is dieing is a joke.....right??
At one point there was only TW, Eugene, and Master posting up Roms; NOW we have about 6-7 options. The theming section is plastered with new options. 2.2 just got released and it opened up more doors.
If you think it's dead then kindly depart, you and all you have contributed will be sorely missed. /sarcasm
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Ha.. This is funny.. People get fired up and I am not even attacking anyone. I just was trying to strike of some interesting conversation on future project or things to look forward to in the near future.
Geeze peeps.. Chillz the hell out...
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No, you are not attacking anyone directly but you were also not "striking up interesting conversation". "forum is dead" and "no roms worth trying" is a matter of opinion which you are entitled to but not exactly a kind way of asking what's in the Vibrant developments future.
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Ha.. This is funny.. People get fired up and I am not even attacking anyone. I just was trying to strike of some interesting conversation on future project or things to look forward to in the near future.
Geeze peeps.. Chillz the hell out...
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You have "striked" some conversation for sure. And my post wasn't attacking you so I'm assuming you weren't talking to me in your last reply?
Unfortunately your post comes across kind of negative towards the community of Devs that work very hard to keep giving us new stuff for our phones.
So maybe you had very good intentions and the words just came out looking bad in your post.
I mean it is very hard to express intent thru words on a page. With actual conversation in person your words come across better. So maybe you can edit your original post if you didn't mean it to be a slap in the face to the community of devs here?
If not then that's fine too. Everyone is entitiled to their opinions.
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Is the Vibrant General not the place to just have open discussions? Why all the neg responses? I'm a die hard fan of this forum and our vibrant community. I was just trying to strike some conversation.
I agree we have themes out the butt.. Great I have themed my phone to death..
Your wording is not very good, I'm sorry to say. When you say "there are no ROMs worth trying" it sounds like you're saying "there are a bunch of ROMs but they're all shyte." If that is not your intent, I hope you change you original post, because that's exactly what it sounds like.
If that is your intent, then you deserve all the flack that you're getting here
I agree, but Flagship has been beast for me!!
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If that is your intent, then you deserve all the flack that you're getting here
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Not my intent at all..
This thread seems kind of silly since we've just started seeing kernels built from 2.2 source. It's kinda been the Holy Grail for many of us since the Froyo leaks began. Don't know about you, but I'm totally excited about Voodoo sound, overclocking, bln, ulf, etc., and all that with good battery life.
So really, if you think there's nothing exciting now, what exactly do you consider worthwhile?
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I consider worthwhile close this thread!
I would like to suggest for naming/calling in Development session.
As we all known that Z, J, Trip, Wolfbreak and 28spawn have their own successes.
Z has succeed his stable Froyo 2.2 rom and camera.
J is porting CM7 Gingerbread.
Trip has ported his own rom
Wolfbreak has succeeded in camcorder for 2.2 and his stable rom CM6.1.3 which was based on Froyo 2.2.
28spawn is good at tweaking camera and camcorder qualities.
Can we give clap for them? Yes, we can call them real developers. I am really appreciating their works.
However, I have seen some people are copying sources from others, just changing themes, changing launcher which can get free from Market, a little bit of tweaking and they called/named it to rom/firmware.
Can we give a name such as Changing Launchers or Changing Themes or Updating rather than naming/calling new ROM/Firmware?
Well, I am not a developer. I believed that everyone can understand what I meant.
This thread is just a suggestion.
Agree on everything except Trip.
That loser doesn't belong in any section with 'Development' in it's title.
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Agree on everything except Trip.
That loser doesn't belong in any section with 'Development' in it's title.
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That's why I didn't mention "Succeed".
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Agree on everything except Trip.
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Ahahahahahahahaa +10
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Agree on everything except Trip.
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Wow.
What do you have against him?
People are adding a launcher onto someone else's rom and then having the audacity to ask for donations....
As for trip, nice universal radio and fully working gingerbread rom... Wait, those never happened?
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People like you are probably the reason he hasnt uploaded anything. Pretty sure Trip was the one to port MiUi and the first to port Arc and other devs have attested that he has provided sources and other assistance. Just because he never fixed every bug in the ROMs he worked on for no compensation in his spare time and then quit posting when everyone started flaming him and his threads were closed. None of the devs is obligated to do any of this work for you. Quit the unnecessary flaming, trip has done more for this community than you ever will. I haven't seen you upload any ROMs be they complete or otherwise. And Im sure if his unified radio is ever released you'll be flashing it just like everyone else. A project like his radio isn't something that can be done overnight especially when you factor in many of the devs are busy with their own lives and work. After seeing the trash you and other ungrateful self inflated asses have posted here I wouldn't freely share my work here if I was him either.
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People like you are probably the reason he hasnt uploaded anything. Pretty sure Trip was the one to port MiUi and the first to port Arc and other devs have attested that he has provided sources and other assistance. Just because he never fixed every bug in the ROMs he worked on for no compensation in his spare time and then quit posting when everyone started flaming him and his threads were closed. None of the devs is obligated to do any of this work for you. Quit the unnecessary flaming, trip has done more for this community than you ever will. I haven't seen you upload any ROMs be they complete or otherwise. And Im sure if his unified radio is ever released you'll be flashing it just like everyone else. A project like his radio isn't something that can be done overnight especially when you factor in many of the devs are busy with their own lives and work. After seeing the trash you and other ungrateful self inflated asses have posted here I wouldn't freely share my work here if I was him either.
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I have to agree. Anyone of you who thinks that trip is not competant then please go ahead and build us some roms perhaps you could finish where he left off, i bet a lot of us here will be damn right happy. Trip has already stated his reason for being off most of the time. But you guys still flame him. Sadly this is usually what happens
Dev does things people are happy, devs stops for awhile people either forget him or flame him.
HE DOESNT DO THIS AS A FULL TIME JOB!! even if we crave for some bug fixes or something new from the devs, anyone of them. We must remember that they have their lives just like us and not some guy sitting infront of the com 24 hours 7 days a week just to get your thanks and maybe a few bucks of donation.
As for people calling themselves devs and asking for donation by changing some things and stuff. Well i cannot say it is wrong but donations are based on the satisfaction of the benefactor. So if his tweaks, even if its small, satisfies the benefactor then the donations is fine. Thats the whole point of donations basically. And i believe if they are using other roms they should either link or give credit.
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I have to agree. Anyone of you who thinks that trip is not competant then please go ahead and build us some roms perhaps you could finish where he left off, i bet a lot of us here will be damn right happy. Trip has already stated his reason for being off most of the time. But you guys still flame him. Sadly this is usually what happens
Dev does things people are happy, devs stops for awhile people either forget him or flame him.
HE DOESNT DO THIS AS A FULL TIME JOB!! even if we crave for some bug fixes or something new from the devs, anyone of them. We must remember that they have their lives just like us and not some guy sitting infront of the com 24 hours 7 days a week just to get your thanks and maybe a few bucks of donation.
As for people calling themselves devs and asking for donation by changing some things and stuff. Well i cannot say it is wrong but donations are based on the satisfaction of the benefactor. So if his tweaks, even if its small, satisfies the benefactor then the donations is fine. Thats the whole point of donations basically. And i believe if they are using other roms they should either link or give credit.
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That may all be true, but I can understand the flaming directed towards him. As I recall, Trip started many projects without successfully completing any. And then being a dev, one should welcome criticism, which Trip did not. Instead he momentarily stopped working on selected projects inorder to "punish" the critics. Can you really blame people for the flaming directed towards him?
I like his ROMs. Just wish that he had completed them.
Edit: I take back everything I had said. With all his latest work, he is an awesome dev!
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CMoney87 said:
People like you are probably the reason he hasnt uploaded anything. Pretty sure Trip was the one to port MiUi and the first to port Arc and other devs have attested that he has provided sources and other assistance. Just because he never fixed every bug in the ROMs he worked on for no compensation in his spare time and then quit posting when everyone started flaming him and his threads were closed. None of the devs is obligated to do any of this work for you. Quit the unnecessary flaming, trip has done more for this community than you ever will. I haven't seen you upload any ROMs be they complete or otherwise. And Im sure if his unified radio is ever released you'll be flashing it just like everyone else. A project like his radio isn't something that can be done overnight especially when you factor in many of the devs are busy with their own lives and work. After seeing the trash you and other ungrateful self inflated asses have posted here I wouldn't freely share my work here if I was him either.
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I have to agree. Anyone of you who thinks that trip is not competant then please go ahead and build us some roms perhaps you could finish where he left off, i bet a lot of us here will be damn right happy. Trip has already stated his reason for being off most of the time. But you guys still flame him. Sadly this is usually what happens
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Without going into the intricacies, try telling that to people who actually donated to "Trip". You two are probably among those, I suspect.
Happy "Trip"ping
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Wow.
What do you have against him?
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Quite the same thing you have against Geohot.
One's a media whore, the other is a farce.
No i havent but whether or not he abandoned them because of critics is not the point. Every dev have their own reasons, he may have his own for not completing them. And why should one flame him then? Without him we wouldnt have most of what we have . you may argue u dont use them but others do. He contributed something to the community unlike some flamers who flame but nothing is coming from them in return. Im emphasising on the stuff he did finish. Why look at the wrongs when there are countless possibilities with the rights?
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I think the trip argument is boring now. Its over with now, so many posts already on the subject.
Shall we all just put it behind us now and move on. We're all grown up, s here.
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If you are a developer you should accept criticism especially bad ones. Big headed devs dont have any place here. This is a community thread right (sharing and everything).
Even forum rules states it.
I remember on trips thread that a member wants to have his source but as i expected trip didnt reply.
Selfish people dont belong here.
Im not a dev right, but all i can give is help others problems that i have encountered and share some solutions.
Triping for ever. Lol.
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hey guys,
This tread is just for the people who are putting sugar on other developer's succeed and getting donation from people.
And if you can not finish your project, PLEASE don't put on Development session.
So nobody can blame to you.
Cheers!
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If you are a developer you should accept criticism especially bad ones. Big headed devs dont have any place here. This is a community thread right (sharing and everything).
Even forum rules states it.
I remember on trips thread that a member wants to have his source but as i expected trip didnt reply.
Selfish people dont belong here.
Im not a dev right, but all i can give is help others problems that i have encountered and share some solutions.
Triping for ever. Lol.
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Absolutely right, all trip ever did was masked in secrecy, he never openly shared with other devs like J or Z, the ported radio is an example where J is clearly asking Trip for some openness and to share work.
Also I seem to remember he got upset because his links got taken down even though they contained warez.
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Ahh whatever let the man himself fight for his rights after this laahh... im bored of defending him. I will make a this one more post on the trip topic. And why not we just stop flaming him for now and at least he will back give us a good explaination for his actions. And dont get started on we dont want him back posts. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE anybody replying to this and saying that YOU do not want him back. I mean it. Im frustrated facing a wall of people that would just flame. Not everybody has those good and awesome moral values u want as the perfect dev. I can imagine how he feels now. And i bet just when he stops some of his projects people by the truckload starts flaming him. Id be frustrated and feel that this community isnt proper for me. If the devs should have those awesome value we as the community needs to have them too. SO FREAKING STOP FLAMING FML
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Ive had my Vibrant since its release on July 15th, this is my second device because a few hours out of the box it just bootlooped.
I love it, and i love the dev community thats here for it, but im tired of hearing people complain about stock updates that their not gonna use. "samsung doesnt update their devices", "This is my last samsung phone"...Are you serious? Why complain when you've had an awesome dev community since the start. People know their not going to run stock but the complain anyway. Imo, I think people are just jumping on the Samsung Hate bandwagon. This is an awesome phone and community, And our Vibrants still murder more than half the Android Comp on stock 2.1, you guys saw the youtube reviews right?.
Why dont we give more praise instead of more ungreatfullness because this just sickens me.
"AND IM NOT CRYING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES CRYING, IM SIMPLY STATING THAT ITS VERY UNNECESSARY TO CRY WHEN YOU DONT HAVE TO"
PLEASE EVERYONE FIND YOUR FAVORITE GREAT (DEVS/THEMERS & AND GENERAL HELPFUL PEOPLE) AND PM THEM A THANKS FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK
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Agreed. This is my first android phone and will be keeping it for a long time. Devs have been awesome, but you will always have people who ***** and complain. It's just the nature of the beast.
Well said. This is a beast of a phone when run on custom roms, and our amazing devs are doing some great stuff to double the performance. Kudos to them. But some people simply live to whine and ***** around in their daily life let alone an internet forum.
Love this Vibrant and this great community behind it.
One of the reasons i think sammy doesnt update is because they dont stand a chance vs our dev field so why bother you kno?
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One of the reasons i think sammy doesnt update is because they dont stand a chance vs our dev field so why bother you kno?
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wait what? I'm sure as hell you know why we don't have a stable gingerbread rom.
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I love my Vibrant also. My phone does EVERYTHING that I could want a pocket sized computer to do; and it does it fast and it does it on a beautiful screen. The folks who have taken the time and energy to mod this rad device are plain and simply: awesome. Thanks to everyone at <TW> and EDT (my favs) for tweaking my phone in ways that I never could. Thanks to all who have worked on this device and produced a dozen + other ROMS. And thank you to the new Devs who are willing to continue tinkering with their own, hard earned, phones for the benefit of us all.
+1000000000
I so agree with u! this community has been great and theyve been so helpful too. Ty so much and im loving my vibrant.
A thread to whine about other people's whining. Nice...
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A thread to whine about other people's whining. Nice...
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+1
Threads like this are an invitation for the trolls to come eat their next meal.
#neveragain
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Threads like this are an invitation for the trolls to come eat their next meal.
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Yeah and you 2 are probably some of the whiners he is talking about. If you don't have anything positive to contribute to his post then don't comment. He made a very valid statement. I haven't been a member for long, but I have seen many threads that were either titled something about never buying samsung again or whining about not getting stock updates. So unless you have something constructive to contribute to this thread then don't come in and bash him for just trying to point out that the phone is awesome and that people are worried about stock updates when they don't even use them
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Threads like this are an invitation for the trolls to come eat their next meal.
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Disagree. This post has to reasons. To get people to see how great their phone is and to get them to be grateful for all the hardwork here in xda.
Agreed, the phone is great and still can be considered in top 5 phones out there. However I will like stock gingerbread for the sake of GPS drivers and Voodoo Kernel.
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Yeah and you 2 are probably some of the whiners he is talking about. If you don't have anything positive to contribute to his post then don't comment. He made a very valid statement. I haven't been a member for long, but I have seen many threads that were either titled something about never buying samsung again or whining about not getting stock updates. So unless you have something constructive to contribute to this thread then don't come in and bash him for just trying to point out that the phone is awesome and that people are worried about stock updates when they don't even use them
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I never said his statement was invalid. I'm simply pointing out that threads like this often turn into flaming etc. People posting hate threads are a problem on this forum. People replying to those threads with flaming is also a problem. People posting thread that are prone to start flame wars are also a problem. Threads like this pop up all the time and more often than not it ends up being a flame war. I agree with the OP. People should take the phone for what it is or stfu and leave. But making this forum better isnt just about shutting down flamers when they start crap.. its also about not feeding their raging and/or posting things that invite them to start trouble. Constructive enough for you?
If you haven't been here for long than maybe you have yet to see the pattern. And maybe you should at least thing about what I said in my initial post before resorting to insults. While your at it, I invite you to find a single post of me whining about anything. Because I promise you wont.
When Samsung releases updates then our devs can tear them down and make them better. Without that source code it's very difficult to make the custom roms that are so friggin awesome. This is why we don't have a totally stable and working 2.3 rom out yet, and we probably won't until Samsung makes the stock 2.3 upgrade available.
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Haha, nice man.
thanks for all the hard work yall saved me when i somehow erased everything on my phone and was stuck in cwm
I, personally, have nothing to hate on the phone about..
We all complained for 2.2, but knew that our roms that we already have are FASTER and BETTER, when we did get 2.2 stock, no one used it, it was used by devs to probably put a few things in their roms, but after that, its gone.
The GPS sucks, i get it, thats their fault, they made a mistake, other companies have before as well (Apple with their antenna) I don't use GPS i have a GPS so i use that instead of my phone.
Besides that, i can complain for probably... no flash for the camera, but thats it.
MY phone is PERFECT, with the devs all that hard work, and i'm talking about the REAL devs, not the fags who theme and call themselves devs.
(no offence to themers at all, themes are themes, and are not meant to be a full rom, with the exception of Jellette's Bi-Sidekick ofc, it had to be a new rom even though its a theme)
I, Thank you all developers for sticking with us through the hard time that Samsung has given the devs by not releasing the source code, etc.
Thank you.
Just a wee note to remind people to keep it friendly. It's becoming a bit of a habit having to close threads like this because of childish and inappropriate behaviour.
Don't let this one go the same way.
Thanks...
Agreed! Good points!
To all those wondering what Kholk has been up too lately, this is what I came back to find in the IRC chat after going AFK..
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<kholk> re.
<AstainHellbring> hi
<kholk> hi AstainHellbring
<kholk> I'm here only to say a fast thing
<kholk> about those morons that are constantly attacking me
<kholk> well, I hope in this channel there's still a logbot
<kholk> but if there isn't, someone'll make them to see what I'm writing
<kholk> anyway
<kholk> dedicated to the guys that are constantly attacking me:
<kholk> 1. You're only morons, if only you'd know 1/800 of the things that I've done, you'd be the king of the world now.
<kholk> 2. If that's a "Thank you for working on the Atrix for months, night and day", you should say it in a different way. Really.
<kholk> 3. Really, I don't know how to explain what I want to say to you, but.. only bad words.
<kholk> 4. Enjoy without me.
<kholk> Goodbye!
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To all those wondering what Kholk has been up too lately, this is what I came back to find in the IRC chat after going AFK..
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He has also tweeted he is working on other phones still naming the project eternity. I really never seen anything from him but words, no results. Im not sad.
Great! Now we have lost a great dev because of a few assholes! Yes, we do still have great devs and with those devs, we will be ok. However, kholk has put a lot of work into the atrix and this is how we thank him? By running him away. He would have been a great contributor to the atrix! Just look at some other phones he has made ROMs and kernels for! He truly is a great dev and now he won't even be helping us! And I hope kholk sees this and comes back. These devs need to know that we appreciate then or they leave, like this! Everyone who appreciates the things he has done so far, comment here, show him we appreciate it and maybe, just maybe hell come back.
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SMH to all those who just have negative comments about everything... Did you pay a membership fee to join XDA?.... Didn't think so, therefore there should be less complaining and moaning and more "Keep your mouth shut". This is not directed at just those who bad mouth Kholk but at those who bad mouth everything that happens on this site.
If you want something done and it is not happening in a manner in which you would "LIKE" it done, then become a developer you lazy moochers. Other then that you should have complete patience as the developers here owe no one person anything. If you donated and you feel it was a waste, then why did you donate? better off with out the lot of you IMO who are always saying, "whats the status on the bootloader?", "When is CM7 being ported?", Why did I donate to see zero results?".. I don't know, why did you donate? hahah
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Great! Now we have lost a great dev because of a few assholes! Yes, we do still have great devs and with those devs, we will be ok. However, kholk has put a lot of work into the atrix and this is how we thank him? By running him away. He would have been a great contributor to the atrix! Just look at some other phones he has made ROMs and kernels for! He truly is a great dev and now he won't even be helping us! And I hope kholk sees this and comes back. These devs need to know that we appreciate then or they leave, like this! Everyone who appreciates the things he has done so far, comment here, show him we appreciate it and maybe, just maybe hell come back.
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Yes I have seen his other ROMS, but that does not help us here. I guess that tenfar, Sograth, eval_, unknown_, Edgan, The2dCour and many others have not done anything as amazing as kholk's work for the Atrix. O PLEASE COME BACK.
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SMH to all those who just have negative comments about everything... Did you pay a membership fee to join XDA?.... Didn't think so, therefore there should be less complaining and moaning and more "Keep your mouth shut". This is not directed at just those who bad mouth Kholk but at those who bad mouth everything that happens on this site.
If you want something done and it is not happening in a manner in which you would "LIKE" it done, then become a developer you lazy moochers. Other then that you should have complete patience as the developers here owe no one person anything. If you donated and you feel it was a waste, then why did you donate? better off with out the lot of you IMO who are always saying, "whats the status on the bootloader?", "When is CM7 being ported?", Why did I donate to see zero results?".. I don't know, why did you donate? hahah
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Stated like a pro! Your exactly correct! Kholk is only going to be the first to go if people don't straighten up! The atrix has taken a long time to be unlocked. A lot of devs are already working on phones that came unlocked that are already out! Don't push the great devs that we have now away! Also, I do believe this belongs in the dev section, the general section and every other atrix section! People need to express their gratitude and the devs need to see that they are greatly appreciated!
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wow that really is too bad...
It's a shame a dev can be attacked like that by so many...its even more of a shame that a dev ( as hard as it can be ) can take all of those attacks to heart so much that they actually abandon their projects.
Sometimes dev forums can be like high school yes, however we are (mostly) adults here and insults and attacks should only be taken with a grain of salt... although some members can be huge troll's there does need to be some level of thick skinned'ness as an adult and some of us DO need to learn to let the majority of insults and attacks roll off of your back.
This is the real world folks and there are thousands of members in the Atrix community alone that don't understand how to code and program. As a result there will be harsh words spoken and as immature as they are you need to learn to let go.
There truly are more members here that aren't trolling and are extremely great-full for the work that devs put in since us (real) adults know that we would never be able to understand what and how you do things.
It's disappointing that he is no longer involved because of being perhaps a little sensitive to criticism and i hope kholk reads this so that he may come back with the understanding that there are just deuchbags in this world and there is nothing we can do about it and i think this goes for all dev's on any phone in any forum.
Kholk thank you for very much for your hard work that you put in. Know that it has not gone un-appreciated. There are just more people that appreciate it than don't.
On that note i end this rant in the hopes that more dev's don't jump ship due simply to the fact that there are people in this world that either simply don't have nice things to say, don't understand how difficult coding is and don't appreciate the hard work...
If you aren't good with criticism then perhaps you don't belong in a community where sharing your work is expected.
cheers
Well, as far as I can tell, kholk talked a lot about what he was working on but I don't know what he has accomplished. I'm not saying he accomplished nothing, I just have no idea what he actually did. From the results produced by the other devs for this phone, I am happy with the results and can suffer a tantrum.
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Yes I have seen his other ROMS, but that does not help us here. I guess that tenfar, Sograth, eval_, unknown_, Edgan, The2dCour and many others have not done anything as amazing as kholk's work for the Atrix. O PLEASE COME BACK.
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I never said that! I have told every one of them that I appreciate what they have done! Everything each of them has done is great! I am saying that we need every dev we can get! I am not saying that kholk is any better than any of those guys. I am saying that we could have benefited from his developments. I, for one, don't want to see any of our devs go. EVERY ONE of then are great to have and do amazing things with such a complex device!
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I never said that! I have told every one of them that I appreciate what they have done! Everything each of them has done is great! I am saying that we need every dev we can get! I am not saying that kholk is any better than any of those guys. I am saying that we could have benefited from his developments. I, for one, don't want to see any of our devs go. EVERY ONE of then are great to have and do amazing things with such a complex device!
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My point being is this. Alot of our community has put Kholk on this high pedestal. He gave us tidbits of information on things he was working on, but no results. I know its free (blah blah blah), but when you offer anything up, you should except criticism.
Everyone please take note. The majority of the criticism directed towards kholk was not from the screaming masses and idiots on xda, but from very well respected people in this community. If you have been on IRC, you know who I am talking about. I don't know if that changes anything in your eyes, but this is not an example of trolls driving a dev out.
Kholks problem was that he simply promised too much and didn't deliver. He asked for money as though his projects were mostly or partially complete, but never actually published them. I don't doubt that he is intelligent, he simply overreached himself on the ATRIX, and the community after a very long time, did backlash against him.
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Very sad indeed :-(
Yeah, I have no idea who this guy is... nuff' said?
I've been happy with the devs producing results in this forum. I tip my hat to you.
EDIT: I just did a little research and found his contributions. He was providing valuable information and I retract my earlier statement. We all hope you return Kholk.
He folded based on the words of morons.
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Well, that's a bit disheartening.
We'll miss you Kholk.
One more reason for me to grab the Nexus "Prime" when it drops in the Fall. Don't get me wrong I love my Atrix (my first Android phone) & I like helping people on this forum and contributing where u can. But if the Nexus goes AT&T, then I go too... On topic now, I am sorry to see any dev leave b/c of petty remarks. Kholk, you will be missed.
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You wanna know what kholk was doing for the atrix community, ill show you!
(if you install any of this and break your phone please dont go bothering the devs that are ACTUALLY WORKING hard to get stuff for your atrix)
kholks OC kernels, and kexec kernels based on the oldest 1.2.6 source available.
http://www.4shared.com/file/KgYP7x60/kholkskernels.html?
kholks UART work! clearly unfinish, as well as clearly unwilling to help another dev to finish it, with his amazing, IM NOT AT HOME! excuse, everyone is so use to listening
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081743
kholks CM7 and Gentto webtop
oh yeah, he claimed to have it but never release it.
theres people daily, working there ass off, who never ask for donation, never claim nothing they coudnt do, all day everyday working their ass off, kholk is not needed! so stop whining kholk is gone, and wheep the money he stole from y'all. he may have done awesome on other phones, but here in the atrix comunity, he was a thief.
kholks < desingears, Edgan, eval-, The2dCour, Sogarth, fenrir, etc etc
BTW THIS POST CLEARLY BELONGS TO GENERAL!
I don't like the ingrates and morons, but the internet is the thunderdome. If you can't take the heat then leave. He can be melodramatic all he wants.
It's a shame that he was a great dev though. Maybe he'll man up in the future but I'm not going to lick his balls because he's having a big fuss fuss. We can all remember this in the future too. Be respectful to the devs rather than chasing them away. I don't even post in this section anymore unless I have a burning question. Everyone goes completely off topic and flames each other constantly.
I'm sick of seeing threads like this in the developer section. By all means this is a general section thread.
Yes, sad to see him go.
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Seriously, most of the attacks were fun **** talking between boredom on irc. Be a man kholk not a mouse. Never would of thought he was such a fragile little biznitch. Im besides myself. Kholk is a true hustler.
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