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...that the Chinese board where we're getting a few ROMs from, is incredibly popular. We are the second most popular HTC device there, if not the most popular one at all, and we're obviously only trailing behind the HTC Desire. With almost 9k topics, and 351k posts, this board's buzzing with activity!
http://bbs.anzhi.com/
Now, now, don't assume I'm very biased and saying that XDA should be the primary home of all development, regardless of platform and manufacturer. That's a horrible thing to say, and it would hurt me if anyone said so. I'm just merely comparing this noteworthy find of a forum with the fact that the HTC Legend is pretty much approaching legacy-status in terms of development. Yet the enthusiasm possessed by this community is substantial. Unfortunately, their work goes mainly unnoticed, I've seen. Maybe the ICS ROM was worth a mention to make its way to our shores, but once you've seen the developments that are offered, you'll be very, very intrigued.
http://bbs.anzhi.com/forum-533-1.html
For my adventure, I'm using last night's Google Chrome Canary build, with the built-in Google Translate feature, translating Chinese (simplified) to English, via Google Translate's service. I do not know more than a few phrases in the Chinese dialects, so for the sake of sharing this stuff, bear with me.
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The stickies are extremely useful, providing methods and ideas I'd never even heard of even browsing through our home here on XDA.
ROMs, being obviously popular, stay at the top of the board. But queries, experiences, and other generic discussions get posts in a day, and often-times, extend to the fourth page. Wow, this forum really is active!
http://bbs.anzhi.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4763283&page=1
Let's take a gander in a ROM's thread:
Whoa, this ROM looks like one from the original glory days of the HTC Hero!
Some heavily modified Sense ROMs lie here:
http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-3834911-1-1.html
http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-3821971-1-1.html
http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-4678580-1-1.html
But most interesting is a functional, developer's build of Sense 3.5:
http://bbs.anzhi.com/forum.php?mod=...teline&typeid=237&typeid=237&orderby=dateline
These are just some finds that are sticking out obviously whilst quickly skimming the forum. I'm sure there are many more worthwhile developments of times past and present that I definitely might have missed, but this is where I choose to conclude tonight's adventure.
I hope I've helped create some exposure in regards to the development on the HTC Legend. Although for many of us who have/had two-year contracts, they're quickly coming to a close, and we migrate to better devices. But there are others who might be under other stressful circumstances (Canadians with those dreaded 3-year contracts), or wish to hang on to our dear Legends for a bit longer. I hope I've instilled some hope that there is a huge backing of life left in our fair Legends, and its legacy will continue to live on for a period no cellular commitment may measure.
While it may seem hopeless in browsing a foreign forum searching for your next everyday tool, or further stimulating a hobby, I can only say now that I wish only the very best for that only good things will come for the HTC Legend in this foreseeable future.
Love,
Bryan
This is awesome news, maybe some one with proper dev skills who love the legend so much they don't/won't get rid of it till its completely broken (thegrammerfreak for example )
Will find this information useful and want to convert the Chinese version rom/s for themselves (us) :-D
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Thanks for the heads up, nice to see some new ROMS this place has become very quite.
One question though, how do you download the ROMS? I have registered and translated the page but to get the download link you need to reply. I cant seem to reply as I cant figure out what verification code they are asking me fill out.
Code:
Enter the following answer to the question
"An intellectual network" before the word is the word
WTF??
Right, that's a math equation to prevent spammers from flooding the forum. Just move your mouse around the field and you'll get a simple addition/subtraction problem.
Trying out a "new legend" rom from that forum
Just finshed downloading all the files (except the kernel) and just started the flashing (brushing) process
[ ROM Release ] [Devil] 2.3.5 Second Edition | | 3.0 style | | Support ext partition | | transparent landscaping | | Updated kernel fill (September 10)
http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-3833694-1-1.html
Edit:- Flashed rom, yes it's working, starts up in chinese, found settings menu, changed to english, most stuff is in chinese. Looks pretty much like a cyanogenmod or the same as the devil rom already posted in the dev. section, it has ADW launcher....
There are some nice ROMs alright. Pity that you don't have the option to change all settings to English though.
Seeing how most of the devs are from Hong Kong, some ROMs do offer an option in English, their secondary official language in government.
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Cheers, Ill check a few more out so.
I downloaded and installed Sense theme for CM. I am not sure how to enable it. Can someone tell me how to?
Was it a patch you downloaded? If so, did you flash the .zip?
Either way, even if it was an .apk, you can find themes, and activate them, from CM's Theme Chooser app.
I can't really say much more without further detail.
Would be nice, if the ROMS were translated.
It was the 7 MB patch that i downloaded. It was the zip file, I extracted the .apk, copied it to memory card and installed them.
I cannot find it in theme chooser. How to flash the whole zip file? From the recovery menu?
I assume you would flash it like you would a patch, so it would accompany the ROM. Don't wipe anything, and just flash it.
Don't take my word for it though, I can't fully understand the translation.
Well I installed google pack that comes with CM7 like that (without wiping), I suppose thats one way to do things.
Just when I leave....
Damnit
There are tools to translate ROMs (mostly from when MIUI became popular), so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that one of these ROMs could get a home on XDA. Maybe pick a few we like, start translating (just get it into the most basic of English, then we could work it out from there) and get permission from the original dev to post a translated copy here. #justsayin'
I've already gotten permission to repost some of the ROMs, but I keep neglecting that new authority, people can just get it themselves anyway.
As for translation, some ROMs are offered in English anyway, just Ctrl + F "English".
This site is based in SAR Hong Kong, and one of its official languages is English.
A bootable, work-in-progress, no rules broken MIUI GB ROM can now be found. From the guy who brought the very early ICS ROM to XDA. Though he's more active on this forum from what I gather monitoring:
http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-5054051-1-1.html
news
Code:
4/13/12
CM9 is out. see last post for details. thread closing, thanks everyone!
3/31/12
-wow its been a while since i updated this.. progress is good.
3/17/12
-i know this thread is quite a the moment... something big is comming
3/10/12
going back to school soon, then i can start cracking down on this again. its been hard with seeing family and such.
current priority list:
-Sleep of death
-wifi
-sensors/audio (whichever i get to first)
-iron out storage issues (if there are any)
-camera
-am i missing anything???
3/7/12
-green overlay + 3d acceleration fixed. preparing updates and pushing them soon.
3/5/12
-sorry for lack of updates, working on the green screen issue and will hopefully have it fixed soon, that and i am on spring break, expect more next week. ill do my best this week.
3/1/12
-updated broken/working
-updated the repo
-uploaded early build
2/29/12
-pulled early build, kernel problem. compiling new one now.
2/28/12:
- posted early build.
- i have finals right now so ill do my best to keep working
INTRO
Hey everyone. I have been at it for *insert days since 2/24/12* days strait and I finally got a working Device tree up and running. This is not meant for use yet. Very buggy and needs lots of work. But its a start. This is my own device + vendor tree. I started from scratch. (see Thanks for some details.)
INFO
This is a work in progress. dont ask for ETAs.
THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT THREAD! DONT SPAM THIS TREAD. I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOMETHING DONE HERE. KEEP YOUR BICKERING TO THE GENERAL SECTION. I WILL NOT TOLERATE UNNECESSARY COMMENTS
CONTRIBUTE!
Remember this is an open project. post here or pm me if you have any contributions to the project. im sure we all would like cm9 running on our devices with a tree + kernel available to everyone! lets make this a team effort. lets put everything else behind us and get a good, stable, source-built rom for our tablet
WORKING
boots
3D acceleration
2D acceleration
touchscreen
usb input
task switcher
no green overlay
Known issues/Broken
WIFI
Bluetooth
audio (i think i found a fix. havent implemented yet)
sensors
camera - we have drivers its just a mater of implementing them
THANKS!
seraphimserapis - some base config stuff (not many of you may know him but he was a huge part in the early days of the iconia)
blazingwolf - reading lots of your posts. helped with base vendor config. kernel
RaYmAn - touchscreen fix in kernel
cyanogenmod - source lulz
if im missing someone tell me. I dont want to leave anyone out on this.
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So I figure this will be much easier once acer releases the kernel source for ICS. but for now im working off of the HC source. we can do our best.
In the device tree local-extract-files.sh and extract-files.sh are both incomplete. its easy to finish i just use my own vendor folder and change it as i go. ill fix them later.
most of my updates are posted in the news box at the top of the page. its easier to update and more noticeable.
SOURCE
Kernel: https://github.com/gh123man/Picasso-ICS-kernel-2.6.36.3
device tree: https://github.com/gh123man/device_acer_picasso
vendor tree: https://github.com/gh123man/vendor_acer_picasso
DOWNLOADS
early build: http://www.mediafire.com/?c4kf5cnkrbizbkq 3/1/12
reserved just in case
Did you try to use ics stock kernel ?
It may help until ICS kernel sources are released.
vache said:
Did you try to use ics stock kernel ?
It may help until ICS kernel sources are released.
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so far i have only used the stock acer 3.2 kernel with the touch screen fix... ill look into it if i can. ive been tinkering around with other kernels with no results as of yet. i am also trying to play with the a200 sources you posted but im getting a bunch of compile errors.
Sweet, going to keep an eye on this. How can I help out?
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Sweet, going to keep an eye on this. How can I help out?
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best thing you can do is compile the device tree. install it on your device. and start fixing problems. ill post a guide if anyone would like on how to do a basic compile.
I'm glad to see an open ICS dev branch for our Iconia. I'm not too good at developing, but I have plenty of server space if you need an image mirror.
try fixing the issues using thors asop ics
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I'm glad to see an open ICS dev branch for our Iconia. I'm not too good at developing, but I have plenty of server space if you need an image mirror.
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Thank you. ill let you know (sorry for the previous misquote )
gh123man said:
best thing you can do is compile the device tree. install it on your device. and start fixing problems. ill post a guide if anyone would like on how to do a basic compile.
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Yes Please a guide will be nice and any advise as well.
Hey, been working on something similar as well. May be able to help with some issues you have. Give me a shout via PM or hop on IRC on freenode in the #teamkang channel
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Thank you. ill let you know (sorry for the previous misquote)
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No worries. I hate seeing people asking for eta, or saying "i'm a blonde lol" in dev threads. The Development sections is for developoment.. kind've obvious. I'm not too handy with compiling Android, but I do love compiling kernels, though. If you want, I'll monkey around with a couple configs.
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No worries. I hate seeing people asking for eta, or saying "i'm a blonde lol" in dev threads. The Development sections is for developoment.. kind've obvious. I'm not too handy with compiling Android, but I do love compiling kernels, though. If you want, I'll monkey around with a couple configs.
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@apapousek yeah that comment was directed at someone who changed their post... i quoted you by mistake for that I am sorry . feel free, actually please, monkey with everything!
@everyone repos updated, added decoders and stuff. re-arranged stuff in device and vendor. added a working early build if you want to play with it. changed the working/broken with some more details, still cant get wifi working...
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@apapousek yeah that comment was directed at someone who changed their post... i quoted you by mistake. feel free, actually please, monkey with everything!
@everyone repos updated, added decoders and stuff. re-arranged stuff in device and vendor. added a working early build if you want to play with it. changed the working/broken with some more details, still cant get wifi working...
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Alright. 2 seconds, and I'm out. You won't see me comment here again. Thank you for reading that and realizing you misquoted. I read through that response multiple times and I was like.... What???? That's a bit over the top for offering server space.. Turns out your pretty nice.
Next, thank you doing this. Very nice to see so much development. This is awesome!!!! Good luck with finals.
*gone like a ghost.*
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hey everyone, you may be wondering where i have been. well i finished finals and came out alive, went on a ski trip where google happened to have 600 employ's on a trip, so that was really cool. and while all of this has been going on i have not missed a day of working on this project. now that i have been home for a few days i have been able to crank out some work.
Graphics driver fixed, no more crashes. WORKING HW ACCELERATION
gallery is now fixed because of this.
and best of all... NO GREEN OVERLAY
only issue is a bad sleep of death issue... time to start digging.
ill push updates to the repos soon if anyone wants to play with it.
+ thanks to blazingwolf for a kick in the right direction.
EDIT:
repos have been updated with the graphics changes,
current priority list:
-Sleep of death
-wifi
-sensors/audio (whichever i get to first)
-iron out storage issues (if there are any)
-camera
-am i missing anything???
Try working or speaking with the masters behind flexrom.... looks/sounds like they got the SoD ironed out pretty well.... although few still report it.
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bdubs4200 said:
Try working or speaking with the masters behind flexrom.... looks/sounds like they got the SoD ironed out pretty well.... although few still report it.
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It may work, but it would be better to fix it in the source rather than applying a binary patch.
Flexrom ( a good rom, overall ) = modification of a leak
This ( a work in progress ) = built from source
Hey, don't think nobody is interested in your project! I'll keep an eye on it, being an early adapter since cm7 started for the Samsung Galaxy S. I hope to see this grow like a banana!
I’ve been on XDA for over a year now and have enjoyed watching new ideas, applications, themes, kernels, and ROM’s come to this site with a lot of hard work from all the Dev’s out there. For that I say thank you.
Over the last week or so I found myself reading about two Devs (no names mentioned) that apparently have been banned. From what I’ve read they were banned over donations not going to the people that actually worked on the projects. I’ve tested a lot of ROM’s from these pages and I’ve donated to several Dev’s on XDA. As someone who DOES donate for the incredible amount of time and skill that these people or groups expend on these projects, I’d like to ask how the donations are distributed to the “right” people. Do groups of people (maybe Team Nocturnal as an example) get together and decide how the funds are distributed or is this something that has a scale next to it (ie. The person that designs the lock screen gets this percentage and the person that designs the display properties gets that percentage). Is it trusted to one person that can then distribute to whoever they want at whatever rate they want?
I’ve learned a great amount on this and other sites that these devs work on and (having been in the computer field for over 25 years) would like to be sure that my donations go to the folks that actually did the work. Are you all doing this through the honor system?
The idea behind have an open source OS is great for the end user and sucks for the corporations simply because anyone can try and make the OS better as opposed to a single company pulling all the strings. The only problem with this is that it instinctively creates an opportunity for people to take credit for things they haven’t done.
The other issue that I’m beginning to see is a division of this site. Some feel that these two devs didn’t do anything wrong and will halt all there work because one of them has asked them too. The other side has the attitude that XDA must govern, and punish a dev for stealing someone’s work and only adding some superficial offerings to it.
So where is this going? Can these people, that are so on their game with Android (Linux), understand that it’s better to WORK WITH SOMEONE than to be out on their own? I hope that dev’s can understand that their artists…that they should be able to accept donations, and WANT to continue working hard…and that devs also continue to be courteous, and humble when other groups pour in their own time to help that project come to life. The honor system is the better way…I hope it’s not destroyed by a few dev’s that feel like cutting in front of the line because they know they can get away with it.
My hat to the administrators. I will continue to watch the stories, ask questions, and hopefully someday, add to what you design folks are pumping out.
My two cents…
If your talking about one of the devs I think you are. He did several things wrong, first being stealing donations, secondly backpedaling on a promise; thirdly not being a man and owning up to his faults and lastly openly stealing roms and passing them of as his own work. Instead this dev went into hiding and has not responded to anyone.. But however he has made at least 1 new account on here to try and soil others.
As for the people that think he's has done nothing wrong despite all the facts being laid out in front of them; I dont know what to say for them. How can anyone follow or respect someone that did what he did? Again I have no idea. I guess that just show what kind of person they are. The people you associate yourself with shows a lot about the type of person you are and your character
As for the gossip and the truth. Yes there are always 3 sides to every story. What one person says, what the other person says and then the truth. Once again if we are talking about the same person then the whole story is out there (check my sig). Since the other person will not come out of hiding and tell his side (which he doesn't have to, as everything is there and unaltered) then that just shows its the truth. If I was accused of those things and they weren't true, I sure would try to clear my name. And if they were true I still would try to make amends.
If we are not talking about that person; disregard this.
Now back to you regularly scheduled programming...
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Damn!! How many people is Jaredthefake going to get to try to clear his name??....hahahahha
You know if he spend half the time he does making fake accounts (2012oasis) and trolling our threads on actually apologizing for what he has done and making things right THEN we wouldn't have threads like this.....JUST my two cents!..hahahha
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Wow. I was off xda for about 40hrs, and obviously missed something. But if it's about JTG, probably old news.
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scottspa74 said:
Wow. I was off xda for about 40hrs, and obviously missed something. But if it's about JTG, probably old news.
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It is...hahahhahaha
Einstein's_Mind said:
^^^^^
Exactly the drama we all have to listen to...smh
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Then don't read the thread....smh
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Einstein's_Mind said:
You guys seem like the biggest fan boys of him....obsessed much?? Geez if you guys put half as much effort into ROM issues as you do obsessing about the past and about ONE individual then maybe all of your roms wouldn't be status 7 error (easy fix) but I'm done with you guys I don't even like this jtg guy but what a bunch of babies..
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Hahaha. Turn tail and run. Just like him. We are working on out from updates. We have what are called lives and jobs. Yea those things get in the way.
Well anybody on a team with some one will stick up for them.
Not obsessing about the past. This individual asked or at least posted wanton more info. How is filling some one in obsessing. Actually since my thread warning people about him and his slime ball ways, I have let the issue go.
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Okay.. This entire thread is nothing but drama from OP to end.
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http://androidandme.com/2012/07/new...discuss-the-cyanogenmod-project-at-google-io/
Look what he says at 2:00 min.
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The same thing the official xda policy and most devs that read licensing say:
Linux kernel is GPL - must remain open
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Thor refuses to release the kernel source.. XDA's policy is simple here: not to allow it on xda.
So, who to believe... XDA or CyanogenMod?
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So, who to believe... XDA or CyanogenMod?
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What do you mean? Both xda and cyanogen mod agree that the kernel must be open source if redistributed. So believe either.. if this confuses you ask the one you believe more.
If you didn't watch the video do it he mentions the note about the kernel two or three times as well as having it on the slide.
I'm asking for clarification. Does Thor use a modified Android platform? The video says it's licensed under Apache and he can do whatever he wants. What exactly does Thor do that's different from the Apache licensed mods mentioned?
sRDennyCrane said:
I'm asking for clarification. Does Thor use a modified Android platform? The video says it's licensed under Apache and he can do whatever he wants. What exactly does Thor do that's different from the Apache licensed mods mentioned?
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He keeps his source closed. AOSP. Android OPEN SOURCE Project. All that Apache and GPL stuff basically says Linux is open source, Android is open source, therefore what is done with Android must be open source. Thats an EXTREMELY simple version of it, but hopefully it gets the point across. Thor doesn't play by open source rules, his rom isn't welcome here.
I don't see why you care so much about his rom. Anyone that wants it knows how to get it. Anyone that doesn't know where its at knows how to use google.
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So, who to believe... XDA or CyanogenMod?
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Both. They said the same thing. Kernel must remain open per GPL2. Rest of the system can be closed.
The issue with Thor is the kernel, not the whole ROM.
terrormattie said:
http://androidandme.com/2012/07/new...discuss-the-cyanogenmod-project-at-google-io/
Look what he says at 2:00 min.
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I see that some people have a hard time to differentiate between the Android OS and Linux kernel which is used by the OS.
Learn this once and for all that the whole thing with Thor being banned from posting his ROMs here is because he bundles them with his custom built Linux kernels (which are on GPL) but doesn't provide source code to the kernel at all.
Android's Apache license does not change the kernel GPL license.
yaworski said:
I see that some people have a hard time to differentiate between the Android OS and Linux kernel which is used by the OS.
Learn this once and for all that the whole thing with Thor being banned from posting his ROMs here is because he bundles them with his custom built Linux kernels (which are on GPL) but doesn't provide source code to the kernel at all.
Android's Apache license does not change the kernel GPL license.
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Be patient with a newcomer to all this... all I've ever done was basic rooting and flashing a couple ROMs. The meat and potatoes are still pretty new to me. What IS the difference between the Linux kernal and the Android OS?
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Be patient with a newcomer to all this... all I've ever done was basic rooting and flashing a couple ROMs. The meat and potatoes are still pretty new to me. What IS the difference between the Linux kernal and the Android OS?
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The kernel is the bootstrap code and drivers. The Android OS is the rest of the package.
A good comparison from the history of PCs is that the kernel is DOS 6.22 and Android is windows 3.1
Its not a perfect example but its close.
If there are any components that others hold copyrights for, then it is covered by gpl and the source needs to be provided. The owners of said copyrighted works could sue. Same reason that the manufacturers have to make kernel source available. Pretty sure apache only applies to the rest of android source, not the kernel source.
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Oh good grief, not this crap again...
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Oh good grief, not this crap again...
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Yeah I know. I got sucked in by the title being clipped on the Iconia landing page...
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I'd have never even looked if there was any sort of heads up.
Too bad these threads aren't named, For examples...
"Thor-The Sequel"
"Another Thor Discussion"
"Thors-Revenge"
or simply, "Thor, We've done this all before, but why not one more time..."(Maybe that one should be reworked to be the anthem for these events???).
Really, this ones been settled (LIKE A ZILLION TIMES). Let it die.
And please for the love of God, PLEASE make the titles clear on this topic in the future. I swear that I will stay out and keep my trap shut.
Disclaimer: No disrespect intended, implied or infered by the above statements, towards Mr.Thor. That particular Dev is a fricken genius. The worn out, tired a$$, rode hard put up wet, stale like grannies panties topic is the target.
For all you blaming Thor... I did not see any of you on the Avengers movie, so your arguments are not valid...
The simple thing that some people cannot get is that Thor2000 was not expelled, banned or sued from the internet... And they are the same people that cannot understand what XDA is about or why they do not find modified versions of Angry Birds in the site...
It is simple; The XDA was created to encourage developers out of companies (not necessarily) to create and build software which they would share with others, so that the final outcome be improved and distributed widely... In order to maintain that open community they had to apply some basic and strict rules.. One of them is sharing so that it is indeed an open community and not a private company. Another is not to copy code from non-open-source software so that they keep the site legal.
Thor2000, even if one of my favorite developers, did not comply with the first rule, that is sharing. His very good roms and kernels are available to everyone for free but this is only the one side of sharing. The other side is someone take his kernel, modify it improve it, like he did since did not created his software from ground zero... However this is not possible because as other people mention he keeps his code closed. It is his right to do it but he just does not fit XDA for the purposes it was created.
So get over it... XDA is not the site that gives you free software... They were not hard to Thor2000. I bet that the same people who whine about THOR, they may search for a cracked version of navigation software in this site. I am not an expert at all, but after a few years I understood what open-source community actuallymeans ...
Well, here we go again.........
For you n00bs, the reason Thor2002ro left, was because there were issues of "somebody" using his kernel source, without giving proper recognition (as the story goes back in the old days, maybe just a legend). So Thor decided to create his own site, and things are relatively quiet. This was based on XDA requires kernel source to be "open" and links posted to kernel source if the kernel was modified. Not Ramdisk, but the kernel.
The reason this is in place, can anybody remember "carrier IQ"? A lot of things can be done to manipulate and transfer data via the kernel, if such wanted. That's the dark side of things. But in the spirit of Android itself, the kernel source must remain open. That's the way it is dictated.
Not to re-hash the same old thing again, but for you n00bs, read the GPL (general public license) regarding kernel source. No, you can find a lot about it. Just Google it and put your google search to good use.
Personally, I would like to see Thor come back to XDA. He's a heck of a Dev, and a pretty good guy. But as it stands, no links to kernel source, no posting kernels or roms containing such kernels at XDA. And that's pretty much the bottom line on things. You n00bs can read the rules if you wish.
As for me, I adhere to the rules at XDA, and yes, at times I have to enforce them. After all, I am an XDA Moderator, and I stand by the rules established and that's the way it is.
So let's not get into another "Thor bashing" contest. No need to.
MD
I agree with MD, and I really wish people would stop bringing this topic up. Thor's a good dev who made some choices incompatible with XDA and the GPL. End of.
MD, perhaps a good idea to lock the thread?
FloatingFatMan said:
I agree with MD, and I really wish people would stop bringing this topic up. Thor's a good dev who made some choices incompatible with XDA and the GPL. End of.
MD, perhaps a good idea to lock the thread?
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Sorry Mate, if I could, I would.
It's not a forum I am assigned to. I can however, do "other " things.
But for now, there is no need to. Some people, just don't understand the whole scope of things. Only just an ignorant part of it. They try to take things personally, yet they have no personal affiliation with it.
One day, in the future, things will be ok.
For now, we have rules.
MD
I for one appreciate all the explanations here... at least those done objectively and without drama. Some of us who are relatively new to this scene aren't "noobs", and just needed to be brought up to speed. Thanks!
I'm using Z1 as a daily driver and when I see the same bugs in every single 5.0 rom for the Z1, then it makes me wonder about few things:
Why do you release "new" roms that share the same issues?
Why don't you team-up?
Honestly guys, I see no point at all with releasing more and more 5.0 roms that have the same bugs. Not to mention that things as MIC or CAMERA are pretty important if you want to use your phone as a daily driver.
I'm not posting this to discourage you from developing, no, what you're doing is great and I don't want you to feel bad about this post. What I'm trying to do here is to encourage all of you guys:
@krabappel2548
@NanoSurfer
@davidteri91
@jerpelea
@zhangyang_haha
(sorry if you develop 5.0 for Z1 and I did not mention you here)
To work TOGETHER to get it fixed. That's how we got 4K&120FPS after all on the Z1. That's what the XDA community is all about and that's why it was created. (propably, don't quote me here)
It will be done much faster if you do this together, one of you gets one thing working, another one that thing and we'll finally be ready to use 5.0 on our phone. Maybe some people that can't code will be able to help you with finding stuff that you have overlooked.
I don't do this to get thumbs up, duh, I don't care about that at all. What I care about is to use 5.0 on my phone everyday.
Hope you understand this.
If I mentioned you above and you read this post then please, drop a post below that you would like to collaborate on this. As soon as I will see that then I'll change the topic name to:
[DEV] MIC and CAMERA in android 5.0 and send a report to move my thread to Z1 android development. Afterwards I'll clearly state that this thread is for DEVELOPMENT ONLY and it should stay that way. Any non-development post will be reported by myself to get them removed so you'd get a clear development space.
If one of the developers above would agree to my idea and would rather create his own thread like mine to take care of it by yourself, then please, feel free to PM me when you do and I'll link it here.
There is not enough Lollipop libs, binaries and sources released by Sony for making enough stable and fully working AOSP / CM ROMS. That's why! Wait until stock Sony 5.0.X firmwares / kernel sources / bins / libs are released and 5.0.X Android Open Source Project development will be taken to a another level.
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Destroyedbeauty said:
There is not enough Lollipop libs, binaries and sources released by Sony for making enough stable and fully working AOSP / CM ROMS. That's why! Wait until stock Sony 5.0.X firmwares / kernel sources / bins / libs are released and 5.0.X Android Open Source Project development will be taken to a another level.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/exp-lollipop-xperia-z-t2929369
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/rom-candyroms-unofficial-built-source-t2892863
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/sirius-t2962383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-cyanogenmod-12-0-unofficial-t2947497
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-paranoid-android-5-0-unofficial-t2963809
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/calls-strawberryvanillalollipop-xperia-t2945310
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z-ultra/orig-development/5-0-aosp-t2939968
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/sony-xperia-tx-unofficial-cyanogenmod-12/
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I think of all Sony devices were the only one that does have phone and camera working which is strange.
olokos said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/exp-lollipop-xperia-z-t2929369
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/rom-candyroms-unofficial-built-source-t2892863
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/sirius-t2962383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-cyanogenmod-12-0-unofficial-t2947497
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-paranoid-android-5-0-unofficial-t2963809
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/calls-strawberryvanillalollipop-xperia-t2945310
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z-ultra/orig-development/5-0-aosp-t2939968
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/sony-xperia-tx-unofficial-cyanogenmod-12/
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Then, tell me why some things are not fully working on the existing 5.0.X ROMS in the Original Android Development section for the Z1? Because of bad luck?
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Then, tell me why some things are not fully working on the existing 5.0.X ROMS in the Original Android Development section for the Z1? Because of bad luck?
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There are plenty of reasons. I'm not even looking at this code as I'm not that advanced. I can fix small bugs, but not those massive ones that could be anything. Just different developers got different devices and here on the Z1 forums, unfortunately there is not much stuff going on. The guys that got the Z1 don't have that much time to do this or just move to other sony devices as sony cycle is 6months until new flagship now.
Feel so sorry that i cannot write libs by myself. I'm just a college student. Accutually I am working on how to fix microphone. However, camera issue is really a hard job for me. I even do not know how to do that. Therefore, i have no idea but to wait for sony.
olokos said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/exp-lollipop-xperia-z-t2929369
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/rom-candyroms-unofficial-built-source-t2892863
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/sirius-t2962383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-cyanogenmod-12-0-unofficial-t2947497
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-paranoid-android-5-0-unofficial-t2963809
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/calls-strawberryvanillalollipop-xperia-t2945310
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z-ultra/orig-development/5-0-aosp-t2939968
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/sony-xperia-tx-unofficial-cyanogenmod-12/
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I made the AOSP rom, other people just posted a bunch of cm device tree based roms. Anyway I didn't had a lot of time last 2 weeks. But bugs should be fixable, even without Sony's 5.0 rom. Just need to have some time... Which should hopefully be next week
Sent from my C6903 using XDA Free mobile app
I haven't seen a single response on whether you want to work together guys or not... :/
olokos said:
I haven't seen a single response on whether you want to work together guys or not... :/
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Different time zones is one reason.
Also, when something gets fixed all devs integrate the fix anyway.
Variety is the spice of life.
Lord Takyon said:
Different time zones is one reason.
Also, when something gets fixed all devs integrate the fix anyway.
Variety is the spice of life.
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I'm not talking about live irc, but about xda thread.
But that will take more time.
Sure, but if major stuff in your life is broken, do you still care about its variety?
Better change thread name to "[DEV]{TEMP FIX} MIC ISSUE in All Android 5.0 ROM's" ............ That's the evilest thing i can imagine
olokos said:
I'm not talking about live irc, but about xda thread.
But that will take more time.
Sure, but if major stuff in your life is broken, do you still care about its variety?
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I think you expect too much from devs that are working for free in their spare time
Tbh if you want fully functional then either learn the trade and fix these things yourself or wait for official Sony rom.
Many of the devs here already collaborate, just because you don't see a public thread doesn't mean it doesn't happen
Lord Takyon said:
I think you expect too much from devs that are working for free in their spare time
Tbh if you want fully functional then either learn the trade and fix these things yourself or wait for official Sony rom.
Many of the devs here already collaborate, just because you don't see a public thread doesn't mean it doesn't happen
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I don't expect anything from them apart from combining their skills instead of every dev working on his own on this. They are NOT working together on this or else we would already have it done. Just look at other roms for other Z family devices. Almost all of the devs are working on their own instead of working together.
I'm not saying hurry up or "when fix mic pls" therefore I have no idea what are you talking about in here. I'm just giving them the idea of combining their skills to get it done. If there wouldn't be few devs at a time working on porting 4k&120fps then you still wouldn't have it on the Z1. I'm positive that they didn't work together. It was mostly like one dev gets a fix and shares it with other, not a cooperation, but sharing. That's different.
It doesn't happen seriously just read latest posts of krabappel... He explicitly says that he's working in his rom all by himself.
I am actually in a process of getting my own stock based rom but due to the lack of free time it's not over yet and I don't think I'd switch To AOSP because there's too much proprietary stuff in stock Sony roms. Additionally I'm not really that advanced to build roms from the base. I haven't tried yet, but my coding skills aren't enough anyway.
You missed my point lol
Lord Takyon said:
You missed my point lol
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I think that you just don't get that development of android 5.0 is done by single developers for each rom with the exception of Sony and FXP. There's NO collaboration between developers in here. They do stuff on their own and don't want to collaborate for whatever reason. Getting the entire credit for a rom? Idk... Makes no sense to me...