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MDEEJAY

Where are yuo gone?

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Where are yuo gone?
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sigh..... read all his threads, SEARCH THE MANY POSTS THERE ARE ALREADY!!!
Wrong Section too, belongs in the bin

I also cant find his Posts - i know they have been closed, but have they also been deleted?
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MDJ's threads were in violation of XDA's GPL rules, the threads were locked and PM's were sent to him in early January with no response. Even though he was online and ignored the PM's he did not respond.
I know many are angry, but think of it this way, if someone is making a kernel that will run on thousands of phones, and using others sources which were shared, 1, you need to share your work also, 2, people have a right to see the code they are using to ensure it's not malicious etc. Why else would anyone not share their work when the GPL says you can use others as long as you also share.
Long story short. Since he is not responding to any PM's even though he has been online means that he is ignoring the MODS or hiding something. To protect XDA rules and members, his threads have been removed from public. We cannot leave the thread up as their are many GPL violations left for him to fix. Sorry if you've been using his stuff and he has abandoned you.
noellenchris
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hm i have the same question...
he does a very good work, and share his kernels....
i know the problems with the GPL and so.... but he spend a lot of time for this work and get only a asskick while he not share his code...
i think, we need a better solution... like a "limited open source", only a hand full users have the privileg too look in the source code and check for problems.... or so....
but only the close and bann from this forum without a reason for the other users is not a solution.... we need a statment or somethink like that!

a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.

lilelf87 said:
a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.
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I've been a member for a long time, and only a MOD for a few. If you loaned me your car for a few weeks and I refused to give you a ride. I'm sure you'd be pretty mad. Well the code and hard work that made the Linux Kernel was shared for free on one condition. That if you use it/modify or whatever YOU MUST SHOW YOUR SOURCE, not where you found it. Otherwise if your recieving any donations for your work on the back of other dev's hard work, then it's illegal and wrong if too many ways.
However this is too easy to fix. TELL ME WHY MDJ DOESN'T REPLY OR FIX THIS FOR ALMOST A MONTH? He has been givin many chances.
He will not be really missed since his work was based off of many of the devs here on XDA who had and do share their source/work on the kernels.
MDJ is not banned. Look him up. He is free to post or appear out of thin air here. But he doesn't. If he wants to, and fix his work, then he has options and his threads may come back.
noellenchris

strange business over a few letters in a title....
calling or i guess insinuating his code is malicious is complete bull****. he was just fine up until a rule changed then he was all of a sudden pure evil.
plain to see there is alot more to the story here then is being said by both parties. which leads me to believe this all over some personal bull****. normally when one of the highest ranked users in a particular forum fails to change something to a new a rule a mod/admin will do it for them without issue. because thats what they are for. they dont play stupid cat and mouse games testing to see if the user will bend to their authroity and then delete their stuff when they dont. thats plain stupidity. all someone has to do is go to mdj's website by googling "ultimate droid" and then all of a sudden they have no reason to come back here. is that good for xda? to lose people over a simple tagging dispute that is completely stupid? do you remember how popular he was here? should we expect xda to take a personal vendetta against anyone who may be too busy to possibly answer pm's? are the mods cops or mods? are they here to help or here to just cull the herd so to speak?
personally i dont give a flying **** about the stupid drama between whatever children are involved. im not anyones friend here i just come here for android builds. they will most certainly pop up somewhere else if they dont here. i like this place but if it shut down tomorrow i wouldnt cry precisely becuase of **** like this...id just jump on one of the now many boards out there offering builds.
just being honest...

Come on people how hard is it to release your code???
Like Noellenchris said, it's all based on free open source code, he's recieving money for it, so it's not very ethical is it?

lilelf87 said:
a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.
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I dont know why you feel that what was done to MDEEJAY was unfair... He is one hell of a chef I grant him that but rules are rules and they were created and set in place to ensure the safety of all the members of XDA-dev...
All he needed to do was just reply to the MODs but he never did. Him being banned on this Forum is a very big loss but there are other chef's out there that are as good if not even better.
I am not undermining MDEEJAYs work as I am still loving his HD nand versions and i will still say that his 10.4 kernel is one of the best out there. I wish he would just reply to the MODs so he could come back. As I know that a lot of us are waiting for his future developments.
Say all you want to say about the MODs and how XDA is being run. But I believe that this was done not to screw someone in the arse but to protect all of us users...

Dr4g0n said:
i think, we need a better solution... like a "limited open source", only a hand full users have the privileg too look in the source code and check for problems.... or so....
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Unfortunately that won't work.
The GPL licence is the licence the linux kernel is distributed under. That's not negotiable, as Linus Torvalds made that choice. As such, if someone wants to make changes to a kernel, they must respect the licence that the code is available under.
If you don't want to abide by them, you would need to go and write your own OS from scratch, which did not make use of any GPL code.
Since kernels are based on GPL code, and the GPL has been legally challenged and found to be valid, it is a requirement when posting GPL licenced code on XDA to follow the GPL licence. There is a simplified list of requirements available on XDA that summarise how this affects users here.
Compliance is not optional and is non-negotiable. If you will not provide your sources, you do not have permission to use the kernel (read the GPL for info), and as such anything released like this is "warez". XDA does not tolerate warez to be posted, and will remove it, following due process.
@lilelf87, there are rules here. If you do not like them, feel free to go to a site without rules. Rules benefit us all. I could recompile a kernel with a nasty rootkit in it, that would log everything you did, or watch keystrokes, or brick your device. If sources are not available, then how can you be sure that what is provided is safe? This is why the GPL exists. If you don't like it, then I'm afraid it's too bad, as Android uses the Linux kernel, which is GPL licensed.
EDIT: Thread moved to General/Q&A, and @memnoch2099, you are spot on there

lilelf87 said:
a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.
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a BIG LOOOL to you and all the people that share similar viewpoint on GPL. to consider striving for GPL compliance as a bureaucracy measure is idiotic.

OK, I don't understand:
Does this means that if we release a new Kernel or ROM ,we will be forced to share the code? even if the modifications are small?

ForceField said:
OK, I don't understand:
Does this means that if we release a new Kernel or ROM ,we will be forced to share the code? even if the modifications are small?
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First, this only applies to kernels. If you are only making a tiny tweak to a ROM, you likely shouldn't be releasing it as an entire ROM, and instead sharing it with the dev of the original ROM to include in future (with credit), or to offer as optional to users.
If it's kernel changes, then no matter how small, you should share them. There is no need to upload the entire sources though. Here's how I did it for two tiny changes:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=848494
See the bottom of the post.
Base kernel (cheers, Erasmux, and big props) https://github.com/erasmux/hero-2.6..../flykernel-11c
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shows the stock sources used, and the modified CPU table and the touchscreen tweak were linked.
That's all it takes, and gives credit to the OP of the kernel, but also shares the changes without people having to download large amounts of sources again just to get changes.
That is all it takes

ForceField said:
OK, I don't understand:
Does this means that if we release a new Kernel or ROM ,we will be forced to share the code? even if the modifications are small?
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Thats the point of GPL.
Thats why Linux has most of no Viruses

hope 2 C U again, MDJ
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dont understand why he doesnt write back ?! just upload his sources to git and that's it ....
i'm waiting for him, he wrote the most and especially the best roms and kernels
still using his cm7 v2.6 rom, this rom is even better than the recently published ones.
didn't had problems with his one, every thing works from the beginning on - and the most important thing for me, mdj made many roms, so everyone could choose which is the best one.
pls mdj, just write back and continue your work

hope to see you again mdj

why did you closed all of his threads ? he uploaded the sources to git untill 3.01.2011 !!

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Pulser has made it incredibly clear and easy for you all to understand...
(oh and for the record, MDJ hasn't been banned, that's nonsense...he's free to make new threads any time he likes...he just has to comply with GPL requirements)
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plain to see there is alot more to the story here then is being said by both parties. which leads me to believe this all over some personal bull****. normally when one of the highest ranked users in a particular forum fails to change something to a new a rule a mod/admin will do it for them without issue.
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We cannot change his threads because his git repository is outdated and does not reflect the current version of his kernels. He has been online numerous times since I sent him various PMs, but has not responded...we are not here to hold anyone's hand.

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PM me if this is too vague. Or you have specific questions/requests/ideas! - *You want it lean, let's make it YOUR way!* EDIT 1[/V]
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I've hit a bump in the road for development as of the late. I have aosp booting, but haven't had the service to clone all the update libraries/modules/etc etc. What this means is practically nothing works. Pre-alpha. Though resources should push it straight to beta.
My proposal is that a group of us work around this and make a public git. Obviously I'm stuck for lack of 3G. I need the most recent aosp source in a public git and I need a manager for it. Anyone is welcome to share their commits/enhancements.
This will never be more than optimized aosp. If you wanna make it into cm7, download cm7. Android functions best the way google made it. Wimax may work, with toastcfh's permission of course (haven't asked yet)
Hope a few of you are on bard! *pirate voice* EDIT 2
Please see post number 3 - reply number two - for additional informationzzz
Developers that made me want to get involved!
aosp
Darchstar
preludedrew
toastcfh
scaryghoul... just for all the 's
flipz

ARRR! I just want to say thanks!

Based on a couple pms I've received - I'd like to clarify something.
I WANT this to become a user optimized build, but not where you get a bloated rom right off the bat and have to trim. I do NOT have a lot of development experience, or skill - just learning as I go - but if we host the main source in one location and then a few of us modify our own trees - we can utilize lunch to build aosp within certain paramaters - geared for the end user. Write a script to auto-build every version thats linked to the central git every 3 days or so - and let users add or request want they want included for them. Possibly integrate it in a simple uncomment method for those willing to compile?
If I don't want Rom Manager, then damnit! I don't want Rom Manager! (Personally love it just stressing a point. <3 @koush)
So, does this clear anything up fellas?

I'm still confused. Can't your goal be easily accomplished by flashing CM7 and removing the apps you don't want? If you don't want ROM Manager you don't have to, you can remove it.
I understand the concept you're going for but it sounds like a big duplication of effort.
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jesusice said:
I'm still confused. Can't your goal be easily accomplished by flashing CM7 and removing the apps you don't want? If you don't want ROM Manager you don't have to, you can remove it.
I understand the concept you're going for but it sounds like a big duplication of effort.
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No. The point is to have a full aosp rom for anyone to build off of who doesn't want a cm7 base. I see two reasons for this.
1. There seems to be a stigment attached to roms based off of cm7.
2. Having a full aosp rom might help aspiring devs/ect. for people who want to start without the bloat/features of cm7.(I say bloat because of it's massive settings/customizability & it's integration into the frameworks).
@credits ^^

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No. The point is to have a full aosp rom for anyone to build off of who doesn't want a cm7 base. I see two reasons for this.
1. There seems to be a stigment attached to roms based off of cm7.
2. Having a full aosp rom might help aspiring devs/ect. for people who want to start without the bloat/features of cm7.(I say bloat because of it's massive settings/customizability & it's integration into the frameworks).
@credits ^^
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The stigment isn't an issue for me cause I've been building cm7 AND evervolv for a while now. *both are fantastic roms, running evervolv at the moment* For me its a community helping/learning project. Anyone who's actually got time and is nice can look at commits - make suggestions, corrections. I'm tired of wanting my phone to do something and not making it happen myself.
EDIT: Hit submit on accident. Surely there are several people that want to get into android development or are trying to and aren't getting the support they need. They call it open source for a reason.

I would like to help but I have 0 idea on how developing works..lol
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+1 I'm eager to learn and I'm a fast learner but don't know where to start... summer is starting in early may for me and ill have a lot of free time.
Is there a website or book someone can point me to? Maybe a quick history lesson on how you devs got into developing roms? Id love to be a part of this!
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I would like to help but I have 0 idea on how developing works..lol
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lilgrass71 said:
+1 I'm eager to learn and I'm a fast learner but don't know where to start... summer is starting in early may for me and ill have a lot of free time.
Is there a website or book someone can point me to? Maybe a quick history lesson on how you devs got into developing roms? Id love to be a part of this!
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I made it to New Orleans today. Full 3G. PM me if interested and we'll start the building blocks tonight. No rush
Easiest way to be prepared. Ubuntu 10.04 or newer 64-bit. For a practice run follow preludedrews compiling guide via http://www.evervolv.com - Great piece for beginners. Or here on XDA - Building CM7 from source. Great step by step with pictures etc.
I'm gonna start downloading the latest source now. Be free around 8pm CST. Follow the irc link in my sig if interested.
AOSP source guide - http://source.android.com/source/initializing.html
alternate - http://www.android.net/forum/beginn...osp-source-semi-complete-guide-worked-me.html

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Hahaha good job
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Should DEV assign MODDER for their ROM?

Hi Everybody,
Yes, me speaking about true DEVELOPERS in here(which is not make a rom based on other).Should they assign someone(MODDERS) who can make their rom more beautiful a.k.a retheme and place it under the ori one?
What goods in this?
1.to reduce(zero maybe) qtty retheme rom threads in DEV sec cause the modder
finally know & have the right place to share their talent.
2.ppl also know the right place to try any rom & give a feedback to DEV(bugs, etc)in the right thread
3.to reduce gaps between DEV & MODDER if their are working together.
4.thread based other roms also can totaly prohibit cause modder now can placed a rom under DEV wing.
5.to encourage these modders learn to make own rom if they insist to open new thread in DEV sec.
Again,why retheme roms threats not belongs in DEV sec?
People will complains any bugs in a false threads which it should be in ori rom thread.THIS IS NOT HELPING DEVELOPMENT AT ALL...
BTW,this are some suggestion only & forgive me if this will offend somebody cause im sincerely but no good with words

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zmuhammx said:
Hi Everybody,
Yes, me speaking about true DEVELOPERS in here(which is not make a rom based on other).Should they assign someone(MODDERS) who can make their rom more beautiful a.k.a retheme and place it under the ori one?
What goods in this?
1.to reduce(zero maybe) qtty retheme rom threads in DEV sec cause the modder
finally know & have the right place to share their talent.
2.ppl also know the right place to try any rom & give a feedback to DEV(bugs, etc)in the right thread
3.to reduce gaps between DEV & MODDER if their are working together.
4.thread based other roms also can totaly prohibit cause modder now can placed a rom under DEV wing.
5.to encourage these modders learn to make own rom if they insist to open new thread in DEV sec.
Again,why retheme roms threats not belongs in DEV sec?
People will complains any bugs in a false threads which it should be in ori rom thread.THIS IS NOT HELPING DEVELOPMENT AT ALL...
BTW,this are some suggestion only & forgive me if this will offend somebody cause im sincerely but no good with words
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I partially dis-agree.
I dis-agree with the fact that modders should be assigned. Everybody and anybody should be free and distribute their mods (obviously giving credits etc and with permission of the original devs)
I agree with the fact this is not development.
I agree with the fact , that all mods should be placed under the original ROM
I was wondering , how would this concept work , if the modded ROM is based on two or more ROMS ?
I really don't think it is practical enough ? I really don't know...
Edit : B.Jay , I just ROFLed

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Lol classic
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Mayank77 said:
I partially dis-agree.
I dis-agree with the fact that modders should be assigned. Everybody and anybody should be free and distribute their mods (obviously giving credits etc and with permission of the original devs)
I agree with the fact this is not development.
I agree with the fact , that all mods should be placed under the original ROM
I was wondering , how would this concept work , if the modded ROM is based on two or more ROMS ?
I really don't think it is practical enough ? I really don't know...
Edit : B.Jay , I just ROFLed
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Thanks for reply,
This sugestion for DEV only & they will decide it.For exp:B.Jay decided no mods for his rom & we must respect that.(ppl doing it anyway even not in here)
For some DEV who would like to see their rom much prettier but dont have time to do it(focus on bugs & their had their real life too)can make announcement in their thread & invite somebody who can.
There is misunderstood in here cause me suggest for RETHEME roms only.Based on two or more roms,porting,works on stock kernel also considered a DEVELOPMENT(me not mention cause they usually came up with "package")& usually have diff bugs.The one im talking is the pure one which is a DEV 100% own it.The main point in this is DEV will know the bugs even if ppl on retheme roms and make space for these modder to share their talent legally in here.We have to admit,ppl would bother to have ICS if the ui is the same as GB,Like it or not beauty is the first impression.
Again,DEV can decide which is best for their roms.Im not pushing anybody in here just to share what I think sincerely.

I kinda understand your point...what you're talking about is a collaboration or a deal between the devs and modders...the only example which pops into my head when i see this thread is like nAa and D_d...nAa develops the roms while D_d designs the themes for the roms i know its not 100% accurate with what you're suggesting, but im just giving the best example i can

Well, to avoid this I always thought that the Dev could UPLOAD THEIR OWN version of their ROM that's modded and themed.
e.g:
GingerDX v30
Original: DOWNLOAD
Sony Style: DOWNLOAD
ICS Style: DOWNLOAD
Sense: Download
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IrishStuff09 said:
Well, to avoid this I always thought that the Dev could UPLOAD THEIR OWN version of their ROM that's modded and themed.
e.g:
GingerDX v30
Original: DOWNLOAD
Sony Style: DOWNLOAD
ICS Style: DOWNLOAD
Sense: Download
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Not bad!!!
the idea is great but developer will have to leave behind private life, family and girlfriend if he wanna do it by yourself! But if all developers have "their own Dark dogs" it may be possible!

Let me make one thing clear....dark dog is a rcognized themer !!! makes his own themes for minicm......soft modders JUST take a theme of achep and sony sekhon and others.....

Rahat34 said:
Let me make one thing clear....dark dog is a rcognized themer !!! makes his own themes for minicm......soft modders JUST take a theme of achep and sony sekhon and others.....
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Well said!

RohinZaraki said:
I kinda understand your point...what you're talking about is a collaboration or a deal between the devs and modders...the only example which pops into my head when i see this thread is like nAa and D_d...nAa develops the roms while D_d designs the themes for the roms i know its not 100% accurate with what you're suggesting, but im just giving the best example i can
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Rohin,
since im new in here,me not sure if this kind of tag-team has practicing in here.Only i can see so many retheme roms based on other which is can divine by 2
1.No developement at all-update only a look but bugs still in there.people complain bugs but modder cant do nothing to fixs it.
2. has developement- bugs fixing just because modder actually has knowledge to make own rom but make a easy way by used other or someone just pop up with fixing.
Conclusion is:anything at all should go to ORIGINAL rom thread.All complain,bugs,fixing,thanks,anything belongs to ORIGINAL DEV.
My suggest only for this purpose:
1.modder with or without rom knowledge-they have spot for them & maybe they can learn some with a DEV.Dev also can learn something from these modder.
2.Anything will go to right place(what i saying above)
3.If somebody not happy with idea ORI DEV got all,learn make ur own & retheme anyway u like.
Many great DEV has left us cause feel disappoint of these trend but not given us a childish excuse like"oh! im feeling so tired stick my nose to many my based rom thread for find what wrong with my rom"
Cheers

IrishStuff09 said:
Well, to avoid this I always thought that the Dev could UPLOAD THEIR OWN version of their ROM that's modded and themed.
e.g:
GingerDX v30
Original: DOWNLOAD
Sony Style: DOWNLOAD
ICS Style: DOWNLOAD
Sense: Download
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If dev have time & knowledge, they will.If modder are sincerely enough to help dev & just loved to share their work,i believe there no reason dev will say no

As a recognised themer myself, I can safely say that sometimes TRULY theming a ROM can be just as painful and time-consuming as developing it.
BUT it is not development nonetheless.
Also what is NOT development is picking up init.d scripts from Android General section, packing it in a developers ROM and re-distributing it as a new one under your name.
This discussion can go on and on but I am sure you get the point.
This thread is quite interesting, because I really feel a bit disappointed by all the "ROMs" that flood the Development section, when the amount of real developing is very low.
Let me also say, I am not talking specifically about X8 section, it is a general phenomenon in pretty much all Sony forums.

And who says that the themers aren't devs to?
Its very hard....

What about GPL and Open Source?
Not taking any sides here, just gonna play Devil's Advocate for a bit and see if anyone can answer..
Under GPL, open source code can be used, changed and redistributed WITHOUT the permission of the code creator..
nAa, paul-xxx and all the other devs here have done exactly that.. Taken the GPL code, changed it, and are redistributing it WITHOUT prior consent of the REAL code dev..
Don't you all think it's a bit much then that they require us to seek their permission to change code they didn't even write? Same goes for the kernels.. This is GPL code..
Anyone can compile code, in fact it's really easy.. You don't even have to understand code to compile it.. So remember, porting is not coding, it's compiling..
I wonder how many lines of real code belong to the devs here.. My guess is very little..
Let me know your thoughts on this please devs..
CtrlAltDel.

got your point.. and u can be wright,
but when person x ask permission from person y that can be interpreted as respect person y's earlier work, so its not so bad, isn't it!?

What about GPL and Open Source?
It's actually a violation of GPL. (asking permission to use the code)
You can be prosecuted in a court of law for breaking GPL or trying to change code written under the GPL to another licence..
This is what is happening here and people should be made aware of this..
I would never ask nAa permission to change his kernel for example.. There is no legal requirement to.. In fact, if I ask for his source code, he must supply it whether he likes it or not.. He could face legal implications if he didn't..
I could then redistribute MY kernel anywhere (even charge for it) as long as I supply MY source code to the public.. This is how open source works..
MY FINAL THOUGHT ON THIS..
We should kick ass in the open source world, not kiss ass!
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CtrlAltDelIrl said:
MY FINAL THOUGHT ON THIS..
We should kick ass in the open source world, not kiss ass!
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agree, but this is totally of topic man!

iridaki said:
As a recognised themer myself, I can safely say that sometimes TRULY theming a ROM can be just as painful and time-consuming as developing it.
BUT it is not development nonetheless.
Also what is NOT development is picking up init.d scripts from Android General section, packing it in a developers ROM and re-distributing it as a new one under your name.
This discussion can go on and on but I am sure you get the point.
This thread is quite interesting, because I really feel a bit disappointed by all the "ROMs" that flood the Development section, when the amount of real developing is very low.
Let me also say, I am not talking specifically about X8 section, it is a general phenomenon in pretty much all Sony forums.
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For all due respect,
Me agreed that retheme also need a hard work indeed.in fact typing this also is hard for me& taking 1/2 hrs to finish it
That why me brough up this because me see Retheme also same important as make a rom.me try to see win-win situations in here.
1.A make a thread for his fresh new rom,he/she also would like to see it grow & alive
2.then B came up,open new thread with much beautiful rom based on A's.
3.ppl will definitely go to B thread & left A thread dying.
4.even worse,C came up with rom based on A's or B's
Now u think, are its fair for A since He/She has start it first?
True,make a diff also can called it DEV but are this kind DEV we want?
By hurting other ppl feeling?
So what me suggest is,A make some space for B and C.Ppl will stick to A's thread and it will grow as it should be without hurting anyone.
Meantime,if B or C still not happy with it they should learn to make own rom & do whatever they like.
God bless all.
p/s: Retheme me talking here is make own theme not based on other totherwise,I also can be a modder

Choice, choice and (wait for it) more choice
This is exactly what open source offers us... Choice and plenty of it..
A good programmer doesn't make a good themer - I agree totally..
What one considers visually appealing can look like sh*t to another..
Thankfully we have choice so everyone is a winner..
Everyone here should be able to find the blend of features, performance and looks they desire..
If not, they are free to take any rom / kernel / theme and build their own.. This is one of the freedoms the GPL affords us.. We shouldn't ignore it.. We should relish it..
I agree with the idea of grouping MiniCM, GingerDX roms etc..
It would make finding similar roms much easier and would help bug tracking..
I've yet to see one proper bug report on XDA though..
Have fun,
CtrlAltDel

Looks like we were to hard at THOR2000 after al...

http://androidandme.com/2012/07/new...discuss-the-cyanogenmod-project-at-google-io/
Look what he says at 2:00 min.

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The same thing the official xda policy and most devs that read licensing say:
Linux kernel is GPL - must remain open
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Thor refuses to release the kernel source.. XDA's policy is simple here: not to allow it on xda.

So, who to believe... XDA or CyanogenMod?

sRDennyCrane said:
So, who to believe... XDA or CyanogenMod?
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What do you mean? Both xda and cyanogen mod agree that the kernel must be open source if redistributed. So believe either.. if this confuses you ask the one you believe more.
If you didn't watch the video do it he mentions the note about the kernel two or three times as well as having it on the slide.

I'm asking for clarification. Does Thor use a modified Android platform? The video says it's licensed under Apache and he can do whatever he wants. What exactly does Thor do that's different from the Apache licensed mods mentioned?

sRDennyCrane said:
I'm asking for clarification. Does Thor use a modified Android platform? The video says it's licensed under Apache and he can do whatever he wants. What exactly does Thor do that's different from the Apache licensed mods mentioned?
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He keeps his source closed. AOSP. Android OPEN SOURCE Project. All that Apache and GPL stuff basically says Linux is open source, Android is open source, therefore what is done with Android must be open source. Thats an EXTREMELY simple version of it, but hopefully it gets the point across. Thor doesn't play by open source rules, his rom isn't welcome here.
I don't see why you care so much about his rom. Anyone that wants it knows how to get it. Anyone that doesn't know where its at knows how to use google.

sRDennyCrane said:
So, who to believe... XDA or CyanogenMod?
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Both. They said the same thing. Kernel must remain open per GPL2. Rest of the system can be closed.
The issue with Thor is the kernel, not the whole ROM.

terrormattie said:
http://androidandme.com/2012/07/new...discuss-the-cyanogenmod-project-at-google-io/
Look what he says at 2:00 min.
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I see that some people have a hard time to differentiate between the Android OS and Linux kernel which is used by the OS.
Learn this once and for all that the whole thing with Thor being banned from posting his ROMs here is because he bundles them with his custom built Linux kernels (which are on GPL) but doesn't provide source code to the kernel at all.
Android's Apache license does not change the kernel GPL license.

yaworski said:
I see that some people have a hard time to differentiate between the Android OS and Linux kernel which is used by the OS.
Learn this once and for all that the whole thing with Thor being banned from posting his ROMs here is because he bundles them with his custom built Linux kernels (which are on GPL) but doesn't provide source code to the kernel at all.
Android's Apache license does not change the kernel GPL license.
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Be patient with a newcomer to all this... all I've ever done was basic rooting and flashing a couple ROMs. The meat and potatoes are still pretty new to me. What IS the difference between the Linux kernal and the Android OS?

sRDennyCrane said:
Be patient with a newcomer to all this... all I've ever done was basic rooting and flashing a couple ROMs. The meat and potatoes are still pretty new to me. What IS the difference between the Linux kernal and the Android OS?
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The kernel is the bootstrap code and drivers. The Android OS is the rest of the package.
A good comparison from the history of PCs is that the kernel is DOS 6.22 and Android is windows 3.1
Its not a perfect example but its close.

If there are any components that others hold copyrights for, then it is covered by gpl and the source needs to be provided. The owners of said copyrighted works could sue. Same reason that the manufacturers have to make kernel source available. Pretty sure apache only applies to the rest of android source, not the kernel source.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

Oh good grief, not this crap again...

FloatingFatMan said:
Oh good grief, not this crap again...
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Yeah I know. I got sucked in by the title being clipped on the Iconia landing page...
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I'd have never even looked if there was any sort of heads up.
Too bad these threads aren't named, For examples...
"Thor-The Sequel"
"Another Thor Discussion"
"Thors-Revenge"
or simply, "Thor, We've done this all before, but why not one more time..."(Maybe that one should be reworked to be the anthem for these events???).
Really, this ones been settled (LIKE A ZILLION TIMES). Let it die.
And please for the love of God, PLEASE make the titles clear on this topic in the future. I swear that I will stay out and keep my trap shut.
Disclaimer: No disrespect intended, implied or infered by the above statements, towards Mr.Thor. That particular Dev is a fricken genius. The worn out, tired a$$, rode hard put up wet, stale like grannies panties topic is the target.

For all you blaming Thor... I did not see any of you on the Avengers movie, so your arguments are not valid...
The simple thing that some people cannot get is that Thor2000 was not expelled, banned or sued from the internet... And they are the same people that cannot understand what XDA is about or why they do not find modified versions of Angry Birds in the site...
It is simple; The XDA was created to encourage developers out of companies (not necessarily) to create and build software which they would share with others, so that the final outcome be improved and distributed widely... In order to maintain that open community they had to apply some basic and strict rules.. One of them is sharing so that it is indeed an open community and not a private company. Another is not to copy code from non-open-source software so that they keep the site legal.
Thor2000, even if one of my favorite developers, did not comply with the first rule, that is sharing. His very good roms and kernels are available to everyone for free but this is only the one side of sharing. The other side is someone take his kernel, modify it improve it, like he did since did not created his software from ground zero... However this is not possible because as other people mention he keeps his code closed. It is his right to do it but he just does not fit XDA for the purposes it was created.
So get over it... XDA is not the site that gives you free software... They were not hard to Thor2000. I bet that the same people who whine about THOR, they may search for a cracked version of navigation software in this site. I am not an expert at all, but after a few years I understood what open-source community actuallymeans ...

Well, here we go again.........
For you n00bs, the reason Thor2002ro left, was because there were issues of "somebody" using his kernel source, without giving proper recognition (as the story goes back in the old days, maybe just a legend). So Thor decided to create his own site, and things are relatively quiet. This was based on XDA requires kernel source to be "open" and links posted to kernel source if the kernel was modified. Not Ramdisk, but the kernel.
The reason this is in place, can anybody remember "carrier IQ"? A lot of things can be done to manipulate and transfer data via the kernel, if such wanted. That's the dark side of things. But in the spirit of Android itself, the kernel source must remain open. That's the way it is dictated.
Not to re-hash the same old thing again, but for you n00bs, read the GPL (general public license) regarding kernel source. No, you can find a lot about it. Just Google it and put your google search to good use.
Personally, I would like to see Thor come back to XDA. He's a heck of a Dev, and a pretty good guy. But as it stands, no links to kernel source, no posting kernels or roms containing such kernels at XDA. And that's pretty much the bottom line on things. You n00bs can read the rules if you wish.
As for me, I adhere to the rules at XDA, and yes, at times I have to enforce them. After all, I am an XDA Moderator, and I stand by the rules established and that's the way it is.
So let's not get into another "Thor bashing" contest. No need to.
MD

I agree with MD, and I really wish people would stop bringing this topic up. Thor's a good dev who made some choices incompatible with XDA and the GPL. End of.
MD, perhaps a good idea to lock the thread?

FloatingFatMan said:
I agree with MD, and I really wish people would stop bringing this topic up. Thor's a good dev who made some choices incompatible with XDA and the GPL. End of.
MD, perhaps a good idea to lock the thread?
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Sorry Mate, if I could, I would.
It's not a forum I am assigned to. I can however, do "other " things.
But for now, there is no need to. Some people, just don't understand the whole scope of things. Only just an ignorant part of it. They try to take things personally, yet they have no personal affiliation with it.
One day, in the future, things will be ok.
For now, we have rules.
MD

I for one appreciate all the explanations here... at least those done objectively and without drama. Some of us who are relatively new to this scene aren't "noobs", and just needed to be brought up to speed. Thanks!

Android 5.0 bugs

I'm using Z1 as a daily driver and when I see the same bugs in every single 5.0 rom for the Z1, then it makes me wonder about few things:
Why do you release "new" roms that share the same issues?
Why don't you team-up?
Honestly guys, I see no point at all with releasing more and more 5.0 roms that have the same bugs. Not to mention that things as MIC or CAMERA are pretty important if you want to use your phone as a daily driver.
I'm not posting this to discourage you from developing, no, what you're doing is great and I don't want you to feel bad about this post. What I'm trying to do here is to encourage all of you guys:
@krabappel2548
@NanoSurfer
@davidteri91
@jerpelea
@zhangyang_haha
(sorry if you develop 5.0 for Z1 and I did not mention you here)
To work TOGETHER to get it fixed. That's how we got 4K&120FPS after all on the Z1. That's what the XDA community is all about and that's why it was created. (propably, don't quote me here)
It will be done much faster if you do this together, one of you gets one thing working, another one that thing and we'll finally be ready to use 5.0 on our phone. Maybe some people that can't code will be able to help you with finding stuff that you have overlooked.
I don't do this to get thumbs up, duh, I don't care about that at all. What I care about is to use 5.0 on my phone everyday.
Hope you understand this.
If I mentioned you above and you read this post then please, drop a post below that you would like to collaborate on this. As soon as I will see that then I'll change the topic name to:
[DEV] MIC and CAMERA in android 5.0 and send a report to move my thread to Z1 android development. Afterwards I'll clearly state that this thread is for DEVELOPMENT ONLY and it should stay that way. Any non-development post will be reported by myself to get them removed so you'd get a clear development space.
If one of the developers above would agree to my idea and would rather create his own thread like mine to take care of it by yourself, then please, feel free to PM me when you do and I'll link it here.

There is not enough Lollipop libs, binaries and sources released by Sony for making enough stable and fully working AOSP / CM ROMS. That's why! Wait until stock Sony 5.0.X firmwares / kernel sources / bins / libs are released and 5.0.X Android Open Source Project development will be taken to a another level.
MOD EDIT: Please dont quote the whole OP unncessarily

Destroyedbeauty said:
There is not enough Lollipop libs, binaries and sources released by Sony for making enough stable and fully working AOSP / CM ROMS. That's why! Wait until stock Sony 5.0.X firmwares / kernel sources / bins / libs are released and 5.0.X Android Open Source Project development will be taken to a another level.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/exp-lollipop-xperia-z-t2929369
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/rom-candyroms-unofficial-built-source-t2892863
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/sirius-t2962383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-cyanogenmod-12-0-unofficial-t2947497
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-paranoid-android-5-0-unofficial-t2963809
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/calls-strawberryvanillalollipop-xperia-t2945310
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z-ultra/orig-development/5-0-aosp-t2939968
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/sony-xperia-tx-unofficial-cyanogenmod-12/
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I think of all Sony devices were the only one that does have phone and camera working which is strange.

olokos said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/exp-lollipop-xperia-z-t2929369
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/rom-candyroms-unofficial-built-source-t2892863
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/sirius-t2962383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-cyanogenmod-12-0-unofficial-t2947497
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-paranoid-android-5-0-unofficial-t2963809
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/calls-strawberryvanillalollipop-xperia-t2945310
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z-ultra/orig-development/5-0-aosp-t2939968
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/sony-xperia-tx-unofficial-cyanogenmod-12/
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Then, tell me why some things are not fully working on the existing 5.0.X ROMS in the Original Android Development section for the Z1? Because of bad luck?

Destroyedbeauty said:
Then, tell me why some things are not fully working on the existing 5.0.X ROMS in the Original Android Development section for the Z1? Because of bad luck?
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There are plenty of reasons. I'm not even looking at this code as I'm not that advanced. I can fix small bugs, but not those massive ones that could be anything. Just different developers got different devices and here on the Z1 forums, unfortunately there is not much stuff going on. The guys that got the Z1 don't have that much time to do this or just move to other sony devices as sony cycle is 6months until new flagship now.

Feel so sorry that i cannot write libs by myself. I'm just a college student. Accutually I am working on how to fix microphone. However, camera issue is really a hard job for me. I even do not know how to do that. Therefore, i have no idea but to wait for sony.
olokos said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/exp-lollipop-xperia-z-t2929369
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/rom-candyroms-unofficial-built-source-t2892863
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/sirius-t2962383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-cyanogenmod-12-0-unofficial-t2947497
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-paranoid-android-5-0-unofficial-t2963809
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/calls-strawberryvanillalollipop-xperia-t2945310
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z-ultra/orig-development/5-0-aosp-t2939968
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/sony-xperia-tx-unofficial-cyanogenmod-12/
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I made the AOSP rom, other people just posted a bunch of cm device tree based roms. Anyway I didn't had a lot of time last 2 weeks. But bugs should be fixable, even without Sony's 5.0 rom. Just need to have some time... Which should hopefully be next week
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I haven't seen a single response on whether you want to work together guys or not... :/

olokos said:
I haven't seen a single response on whether you want to work together guys or not... :/
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Different time zones is one reason.
Also, when something gets fixed all devs integrate the fix anyway.
Variety is the spice of life.

Lord Takyon said:
Different time zones is one reason.
Also, when something gets fixed all devs integrate the fix anyway.
Variety is the spice of life.
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I'm not talking about live irc, but about xda thread.
But that will take more time.
Sure, but if major stuff in your life is broken, do you still care about its variety?

Better change thread name to "[DEV]{TEMP FIX} MIC ISSUE in All Android 5.0 ROM's" ............ That's the evilest thing i can imagine

olokos said:
I'm not talking about live irc, but about xda thread.
But that will take more time.
Sure, but if major stuff in your life is broken, do you still care about its variety?
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I think you expect too much from devs that are working for free in their spare time
Tbh if you want fully functional then either learn the trade and fix these things yourself or wait for official Sony rom.
Many of the devs here already collaborate, just because you don't see a public thread doesn't mean it doesn't happen

Lord Takyon said:
I think you expect too much from devs that are working for free in their spare time
Tbh if you want fully functional then either learn the trade and fix these things yourself or wait for official Sony rom.
Many of the devs here already collaborate, just because you don't see a public thread doesn't mean it doesn't happen
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I don't expect anything from them apart from combining their skills instead of every dev working on his own on this. They are NOT working together on this or else we would already have it done. Just look at other roms for other Z family devices. Almost all of the devs are working on their own instead of working together.
I'm not saying hurry up or "when fix mic pls" therefore I have no idea what are you talking about in here. I'm just giving them the idea of combining their skills to get it done. If there wouldn't be few devs at a time working on porting 4k&120fps then you still wouldn't have it on the Z1. I'm positive that they didn't work together. It was mostly like one dev gets a fix and shares it with other, not a cooperation, but sharing. That's different.
It doesn't happen seriously just read latest posts of krabappel... He explicitly says that he's working in his rom all by himself.
I am actually in a process of getting my own stock based rom but due to the lack of free time it's not over yet and I don't think I'd switch To AOSP because there's too much proprietary stuff in stock Sony roms. Additionally I'm not really that advanced to build roms from the base. I haven't tried yet, but my coding skills aren't enough anyway.

You missed my point lol

Lord Takyon said:
You missed my point lol
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I think that you just don't get that development of android 5.0 is done by single developers for each rom with the exception of Sony and FXP. There's NO collaboration between developers in here. They do stuff on their own and don't want to collaborate for whatever reason. Getting the entire credit for a rom? Idk... Makes no sense to me...