Just wondering....
Theres really nothing exciting going on with the Droid X as far as development. In contrast, I can flash a new ROM or kernal onto my Vibrant once a day.
Im not being disrespectful, but whats wrong with the Droid X? It seems like a nice platform.
Because it has a locked bootloader my friend...
What about bootstrap or whatever? I flashed Liberty onto my significant other's phone using that method.
well theres a couple of things. theres the locked bootloader but also some other things like gingerbread coming out. most rom dev's are shifting gears and waiting to get a good GB rom out for their next release. theres also Liberty 2.0 that was just released, should be released for non-donors in the next day or two. im a huge liberty fan so this is an exciting time for me.
Just give it a bit while devs switch gears from froyo to GB and there should be a whole host of new stuff coming out soon.
yeah that is probably the biggest thing. there is only so much you can do with the locked bootloader.
boolboo said:
Just wondering....
Theres really nothing exciting going on with the Droid X as far as development. In contrast, I can flash a new ROM or kernal onto my Vibrant once a day.
Im not being disrespectful, but whats wrong with the Droid X? It seems like a nice platform.
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Development has also died down due to the Thunderbolt coming out. A lot of the big devs for the X jumped ship to a new phone. Its a lot easier to support a device that is unlockable...
I dont think its dead. There doesn't seem like there is much happening right now, but I bet the devs are working on their GB releases and we're about to see a bunch of new gingeROMs coming out soon.
Locked bootloader = only so many options as far as customization goes.
Not that I've been around for eons but something I've learned from the three droid's I've owned and actively modded is that development comes and goes on our end, but it never stops on the dev's end. Usually a slow down in releases means that the next wave of them will be monumental. Even more so with gingerbread coming out! Can't wait for some girly themes to come out for GB roms so I can convince the girlfriend to let me reflash her liberty 1.5 dx over
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Showing my Newbness: What is the biggest hurdle to building froyo from source for the Incredible? How do HTC phones that came out at the same time and later have Froyo roms already and we have nothing? I don't get it. I started reading the developer guide to try and set my own kitchen up and get an understanding of how this works. Can anyone enlighten me as to how the Evo, Desire, Nokia, Atari 2600 and Nintendo DS (Last 2 are jokes) have froyo builds and we have nada??
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Showing my Newbness: What is the biggest hurdle to building froyo from source for the Incredible? How do HTC phones that came out at the same time and later have Froyo roms already and we have nothing? I don't get it. I started reading the developer guide to try and set my own kitchen up and get an understanding of how this works. Can anyone enlighten me as to how the Evo, Desire, Nokia, Atari 2600 and Nintendo DS (Last 2 are jokes) have froyo builds and we have nada??
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Not many dev's have our phone plus it was the last one rooted as well. It sucks but it'll come eventually.
I thought the Evo was the last. I guess I can understand the phone shortage. Thanks for the fast reply!
The EVO was immediately rooted and is FAR easier to root as well. We are the new kid.
The EVO was rooted before it was even released, due to the unrevoked1 team.
I helped a friend downgrade her moto, root it and upgrade to Froyo. Then she smoked me in the benchmarks.... This wait is painful!
Ok. Done whining now.
I tried to port the Froyo rom for the desire over, using the newb kitchen, it just caused a boot loop. I did a logcat and it seemed like it couldn't create any folders in the /data partition for some reason. Thank goodness for nandroid.
I guess that's why I'm a Network Engineer and a 39yr old college student, instead of a developer.
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I helped a friend downgrade her moto, root it and upgrade to Froyo. Then she smoked me in the benchmarks.... This wait is painful!
Ok. Done whining now.
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but in real life usage, not some benchmark, how did the moto feel speed wise...
personally i went from a moto to an incredible (back when the inc first came out) and even though I had my moto at 1.2ghz, the inc felt way smoother.
course I have yet to see froyo on a moto... i have one sitting in my desk drawer up at work, might should try throwing froyo on it just to see I guess...
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but in real life usage, not some benchmark, how did the moto feel speed wise...
personally i went from a moto to an incredible (back when the inc first came out) and even though I had my moto at 1.2ghz, the inc felt way smoother.
course I have yet to see froyo on a moto... i have one sitting in my desk drawer up at work, might should try throwing froyo on it just to see I guess...
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Dude! I gave her the kernel to put it back at its native speed of 800MHz (didn't want it getting hot on her) and that thing was fluent. The JIT compiler is UNREAL!! Have you seen the video where the Nexus smokes the Evo and Droid X, because it was running Froyo? That, and this [email protected] coffee, is why I'm so antsy about it!
I bought an Eris with the promise that I it would be updated to 2.1 from 1.5 within two weeks. Needless to say, I did not get the update for five months. So, I'm not holding my breath for Froyo to land on our phones anytime soon. Even when HTC completes the build for our phone, Verizon will take forever hacking it up so it works the way they want. For instance, I'm really sure they will leave that tethering option intact for us to use for free.
I wish I knew enough to compile it from source for us. I've compiled my own linux kernels before, but its easy to compile them for the machine you're working on. Compiling for HTC proprietary hardware is out of my league.
*sigh* I'll just have to be patient.
Welp
I have to believe that the rom developers are not sitting around waiting until the Xth request for FroYo comes in ... just so they can gauge demand
It will happen when it happens ... trust me, I am dying for FroYo --- I need bluetooth to trigger voice dial.
I didn't realize there was a kitchen for Android.
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I didn't realize there was a kitchen for Android.
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Yep:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633246
Installing it now.
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I have to believe that the rom developers are not sitting around waiting until the Xth request for FroYo comes in ... just so they can gauge demand
It will happen when it happens ... trust me, I am dying for FroYo --- I need bluetooth to trigger voice dial.
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I wasn't requesting it. I asked why every other device has it already; even one that was released after the incredible. And what was the big hurdle.
I have both. I love my Incredible, I like this phone except that I want new ROMs for it (Vanilla!) and to be able to upgrade the kernel, etc
Is this ever going to be possible on this phone? I've heard the rumors that it's not ever really going to take off in development.
Hardware wise, this phone is perfect, IMO. But not being able to dink with it like I do my DINC is a MAJOR drawback. I hate blur (sense is by far the best OEM UI - the samsung one is the worst by a longshot), but can live with some aspects of it. Let me use an ASOP rom, for the love of god!
I'm used to SkyRaider, Virtuous, Cyanogen, etc as options but this one has "Froyo and Deodexed" as the only real option. Perhaps when the official 2.2 is out? I just don't want to waste my time with it if I'm going to just never be able to customize it the way I want.
If you have a inc wait for the next gen large moto phone to come out. I love this phone but unless u have a eris or a d1 I wouldnt say its worth almost 600 bucks to get, especially when u allready have a inc in hand.
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I'm sorta in a similar boat. I got an incredible a few weeks back and although I like the device, I have my issues. I initiated an exchange yesterday and just waiting on the x to arrive.
You seem to be attached to custom roms which the incredible is a safer bet with. The X doesn't have much yet and you'd be gambling on them arriving. And if you're not getting an upgrade cost then I doubt it makes sense. The X isn't a huge upgrade imo.
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I'm sorta in a similar boat. I got an incredible a few weeks back and although I like the device, I have my issues. I initiated an exchange yesterday and just waiting on the x to arrive.
You seem to be attached to custom roms which the incredible is a safer bet with. The X doesn't have much yet and you'd be gambling on them arriving. And if you're not getting an upgrade cost then I doubt it makes sense. The X isn't a huge upgrade imo.
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Cost isn't a factor, I just really want something I can force to do my bidding. Im not switching phones, I can obtain any phone I like (literally the only perk of my job), but I don't want to switch all my crap over to this phone if there will be non-existent dev support for it
With the droid x rooted, and ota froyo just around the corner, you can lighten it enough to do just what you want. The platform is useable enough without having to dink with it too much. A vanilla rom is bound to show up, with as quick as the community is moving these days. A locked bootloader is rather inconsequential anymore.
Coming from an htc eris to droid 2 about a week ago now. And man these boards are QUIET compared to the eris's android development. Is this due to motorolas encryption skills or people just dont have this phone. Or maybe perhaps they just dont care?
Can anyone shed some light on this please?
It is from all the reasons you listed, many people don't have the phone because they chose the X over the droid 2 and the locked bootloader discourages developers from doing anything, I think motorola is making a wrong move in the market personally because less people is going to buy the phone because there are slim developing oppertunities
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Coming from an htc eris to droid 2 about a week ago now. And man these boards are QUIET compared to the eris's android development. Is this due to motorolas encryption skills or people just dont have this phone. Or maybe perhaps they just dont care?
Can anyone shed some light on this please?
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I would say it is the lock bootloader. I am guessing that lots of people did not upgrade to Droid2 from Original Droid cause of the bootloader. I would still be on the OD if I dod not receive the D2 as a gift and would have not got it for myself because of the lock bootloader.
It's been slow recently but devs have overcome and done somethings that people didn't even think would happen, like Root and ROMs. We just need to be patient because our device is a bit of a challenge but I'm thankful for all of the people working to make this thing really rock!
Thats what i kind of figured it was ( the bootloader ). i don't really even think it's so much as people going with the droid x because even looking at their boards, its still quiet. yah they have a couple of "roms" (tranquility, focused) but not like the eris's kaos.froyo or any of the other completely re-done kernels.
Don't get me wrong i absolutely love this phone and do NOT miss my eris at all, but i just wish there was some interest from devs on this phone.
Oh well, i'll just keep checking the boards i guess.
There is interest from devs for this phone. It's just taking time for them to get past the problems. You don't see many posts yet because they are working on that. Once there are work arounds I'm sure the development will pick up.
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As the title states.
Kinda getting the feeling that the DP isn't going to get the love other devices see
If it gets at least what the X has, I'll be happy. I'm coming from an Incredible where the development is insanely busy. It'll be an adjustment for sure.
Give it some time. The Samsung Fascinate was a very slow starter also, but they have some decent development going on with it now.
I don't think we're going to get crazy Roms and whatnot, but a recovery is hopeful.
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Best Android device I have ever used (have had 9 devices now). I hope the Devs kick in soon
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Best Android device I have ever used (have had 9 devices now). I hope the Devs kick in soon
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Agree. I am coming from the original Droid and Droid X. I love the from factor; miss the custom roms and themes.
I'm not sure really, but it seems to me that we are getting close to the end of modifying the X. Seems like 3 months ago, I was on here every night changing something, or customizing something. Now, ever since Liberty came out, which is nearly as perfect as a droid X rom can be, it doesn't seem like anything else is possible to be changed. Now as the Thunderbolt and Bionic, etc, are getting close to being released, the X could end up on the back burner for developers. I could be wrong, as I myself am not a developer... What do you all think???
Not even close. Team Phoenix has a gingerbread rom coming and the new blur is coming. I bet by spring
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Good point, I forgot about the new Blur. See thats why I'm on here all the time! lol.
There is a bypass for the bootloader to load a custom kernel, but right now there are no drivers written so nothing will run. Once good developers write decent drivers, we might get something really moving with a full on custom kernel.
Agreed with all statements made. Aliasxerog is still working on kexec to bypass the Moto kernel, and they are trying to work on drivers for radio functionality. Phoenix Dev's are working on a GB release, and I believe P3Droid at mydroidworld also has either a release or a leak for Gingerbread that he is working on, although they have been unable to achieve root for it...
Bite your tongue OP!
Look at the G1 or droid Eris. Ancient devices compared to power houses
of today. But both have strong dev communities and if I'm not mistaken
both have functional 2.3 builds. As long as the phone can handle new stuff
they will get it. Just wait till I attack Motorola HQ next week and get the encryption keys. Muahaha
I'd love to attack with you. We should arrange this somehow and forcefully get the key
lol get kevin butler from playstation to tweet it like he did the jailbreak key for the ps3 lol battleship? hahahaha
If the developers are locked into a two-year contract like I am, I believe that development will continue.. for about a year-and-a-half.
People buy cheap phones on eBay. I got a dx for $250. Devs can leave anytime. Craigslist also has cheap phones
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