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I think they are making a big mistake taking this stance on root & custom roms.
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Maybe they should stop with Android then. The platform is all about being open. I lost all interest in this phone when this was confirmed.
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They just lost half of there customers now
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You guys are desensitized from being members here
the rooting/modding/flashing community is maybe at most 10-15% of users, and that's being super generous
most people will not even read that announcement, and if they do, most will have no idea what it means
Zardos66 said:
Maybe they should stop with Android then. The platform is all about being open. I lost all interest in this phone when this was confirmed.
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i can only completely agree with that! i wanted it but now i ordered a galaxy S...screw you motorola!
Modders may only be a very small portion of their user base. But I'll tell everyone who ask to avoid the whole Moto line of phones. And being a Computer Guy I get asked a lot.
I too have posted my feelings on a couple of other boards. Even on my facebook. Android is open source and it is my understanding that Gingerbread is actually aiming at getting rid of overlays like Sense and Blur. Good for Google.
This wasn't even a fully open admission from Motorola. From what I understand the eFuse thing was found BY modders...and not explained by Motorola. That is down right devious.
I was seriously on the fence about this phone...been driving my friends nuts with comparisons between Evo and Droid X. Was going to have both of them in 30 day period to compare side by side for a week...
...now...I love my Evolina more and she is the phone for me. Canceling my spot on the waiting list.
Its really just a stop gap phone until we see a 4.3" HTC device or other super phone with more features. I can live without custom roms and root access on this phone for 6 months.
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You guys are desensitized from being members here
the rooting/modding/flashing community is maybe at most 10-15% of users, and that's being super generous
most people will not even read that announcement, and if they do, most will have no idea what it means
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I'd say it much smaller than that. There also seems to be a lot of die hard ROM flashing types buying the phone anyways
I dislike the encrypted boot loader, but not enough to not buy the phone. I am assuming we will manage to get root access. And with that we can do a lot.
Only time will tell how big an issue the bootloader ends up being.
Hey guys,
I'm feeling rather enterprising at the moment. The question is, what would it take to get a clean/stock/aosp version of Gingerbread up and running for the Verizon Fascinate? Could an XPrize style reward work? If so how much would it need to be? $1000? less? A LOT MORE? Thoughts? PLEASE ANYBODY, THOUGHTS? I need replys from devs and non-devs... If there is enough interest we could easily setup a prize fund and have it auto-refund people if the prize was not attained within a given time frame...anybody?
/Andrew
UPDATE 1: I'm totally gonna set this up! See my latest post (pg.4) for more details and new questions.
UPDATE 2:
(1) Money is the strongest motivating force that we can use.
(2) Refunds will be available should you change your mind about supporting the XPRIZE.
(3) Waiting for an official release is futile. They are MONTHS behind on a Froyo release, and we will all likely have new phones with HoneyComb before we get gingerbread through official channels.
(4) The CDMA radio is understandable the biggest obstacle, money should at least get people to work more aggressively to fix this or pursue a leak.
(5) beg, borrow, steal, i want a true google experience with the ability to RULE THE AIR, on verizon.
"Can you hear me now?"
come on guys, i can tell this is getting a few views, just add a quick reply and say, that you think this a good or bad idea...please
Sounds appealing, but I don't think this is the ideal phone developers would want to spend time on. I'm using this phone simply as a bridge to the Nexus S.
i can understand the nexus S appeal, but i imagine there are many people who wouldn't want to leave Verizon. In fact i ditched my iphone not only because Steve Jobs is a prick, but more importantly because Verizon has a much better network...
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Sounds appealing, but I don't think this is the ideal phone developers would want to spend time on. I'm using this phone simply as a bridge to the Nexus S.
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Oh, and it looks like you may not even have a Sansung Fascinate...on verizon...which is the phone i am posting about. Most of the Galaxy S variants are GSM/HSPA phones, the fascinate is a CDMA/EVDO phone and seems to be not benefit as much from the development on the other variants because of its different modem/radio. This is why i think we (verizon facinate owners) need to put some incentives out there...
I like the idea, just not sure how viable it actually is.
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I like the idea, just not sure how viable it actually is.
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Oh, and it looks like you may not even have a Sansung Fascinate...on verizon...which is the phone i am posting about. Most of the Galaxy S variants are GSM/HSPA phones, the fascinate is a CDMA/EVDO phone and seems to be not benefit as much from the development on the other variants because of its different modem/radio. This is why i think we (verizon facinate owners) need to put some incentives out there...
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i agree with this
Would gladly donate a few bucks for that sweet Gingerbread..
It's a nice idea but I don't think it'll go. We don't even have a working port of 2.2 yet, nor AOSP of 2.2 running on this device... Would I like to see some gingerbread goodness? Why heck yes, but do I think it's possible...? Nope. Best just to wait for OTA release and modify it I say...
...Yes I know with samsungs history we wont see that until android 5.1 but that's besides the point!
I would gladly donate sounds like a good idea if we can make it happen
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Good idea sure
Although I have not done any really really heavy dev work for the platform, I think this is more a question on feasibility. Would I kick in for it sure, breaking totally free of the VZW\Samsung cycle would be great. However without some support or "leaks" making everything work would be a monumental task. At least if I understand the methodology.
i'd give at least $30 towards this..
I'm not going to say its not possible....but more like its not probable. It might get some money hungry devs on the fascinate though (ultimatedroid), so it cant be too bad. Well talk is cheap as they say.... So start the xPrize and see what happens...the worse thing that could happen is probably nothing gets done.
And i apologize right now in advance.... but this doesnt belong in this forum.... lol... i had to. im sorry.
Being a dev, I have to say its more trouble than its worth.
First we'd have to hack up at LEAST the .32 kernel and get froyo running. Without the froyo kernel source, its more of a pain than anything. Getting the system running to be compatible is no where near as hard as Getting the kernel.. That's something different.
I don't know what would be involved in making something like this happen, but I'd throw $50 at it.
Considering we don't have a fully working build of AOSP 2.1, I can't see this happening. Maybe if there is better source released for 2.2 when it gets here it will be easier, but I feel like if that happens, then devs would work on it anyway.
I don't think people realize that we've had aosp froyo all along. What we don't have is our driver specific kernel. We'll have gingerbread the day it becomes available but that doesn't mean anything as we won't have kernel again at the release.
@op you want us build up from the ground like we did with milestone? NONE of us will go through that hell again ever. $1000? haha that amount is nothing considering what we would put in if we were to build it up from the ground again.
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i have seen a prize work
a little history
my first smart phone was the VZ 6900 aka the HTC vogue
a windows mobile 6 phone that never had an "official" Rom or Kernel for android and yet the dev were able to not only build a fully working android 2.2 including getting all drivers to work, and as we speak those same vogue dev are now working on 2.3 builds, mind you i am not a dev and but i know this took a lot of work but a prize is what got the team moving and i would give $20 or more if we could get this going
So among poll responders most non-dev USERS would be willing to contribute some money towards this. Good news, but with only two responders claiming to be developers it's hard to say whether we could really get the interest of developers...perhaps i should PM some people? who are the big shot developers in these parts?
I'm not sure really, but it seems to me that we are getting close to the end of modifying the X. Seems like 3 months ago, I was on here every night changing something, or customizing something. Now, ever since Liberty came out, which is nearly as perfect as a droid X rom can be, it doesn't seem like anything else is possible to be changed. Now as the Thunderbolt and Bionic, etc, are getting close to being released, the X could end up on the back burner for developers. I could be wrong, as I myself am not a developer... What do you all think???
Not even close. Team Phoenix has a gingerbread rom coming and the new blur is coming. I bet by spring
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Good point, I forgot about the new Blur. See thats why I'm on here all the time! lol.
There is a bypass for the bootloader to load a custom kernel, but right now there are no drivers written so nothing will run. Once good developers write decent drivers, we might get something really moving with a full on custom kernel.
Agreed with all statements made. Aliasxerog is still working on kexec to bypass the Moto kernel, and they are trying to work on drivers for radio functionality. Phoenix Dev's are working on a GB release, and I believe P3Droid at mydroidworld also has either a release or a leak for Gingerbread that he is working on, although they have been unable to achieve root for it...
Bite your tongue OP!
Look at the G1 or droid Eris. Ancient devices compared to power houses
of today. But both have strong dev communities and if I'm not mistaken
both have functional 2.3 builds. As long as the phone can handle new stuff
they will get it. Just wait till I attack Motorola HQ next week and get the encryption keys. Muahaha
I'd love to attack with you. We should arrange this somehow and forcefully get the key
lol get kevin butler from playstation to tweet it like he did the jailbreak key for the ps3 lol battleship? hahahaha
If the developers are locked into a two-year contract like I am, I believe that development will continue.. for about a year-and-a-half.
People buy cheap phones on eBay. I got a dx for $250. Devs can leave anytime. Craigslist also has cheap phones
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The Droid 2 is my first smartphone when it comes to android and such. I bought it in October and ever since I heard about rooting/kernels/ROMs I have really been wandering about my purchase. Looking at the incredible I heard there was so much more available to them and I really began wandering even more. So I was hoping I could get some of you to confirm my purchase was in fact a good one. Especially since even with the locked bootloader I can still do most of what I want to do that people with an unlocked bootloader can do.
the droid 2 i believe is just about technologically the same as the dinc, 1GHz processor, slightly faster gpu, same amount of RAM, but the droid 2 has a keyboard
also, if you look through the development thread for the D2, there are several roms available, and you can overclock the processor like you can with most android handsets, so you really arent missing out on much when it comes to modding the droid 2
I agree and think the Droid 2 is slightly better for various reasons. It is also my first Android smart phone.
I think unlike older droids (D1) the Droid 2 doesn't really need the speed increase an overclock can provide and ROMs don't need to change much because the devices have included more things we like.
This is kind of a parallel to the Xbox modding from the original to the 360. The original couldn't store games or connect with certain devices so people learned how to mod them (software or otherwise) and they became more usable to the user because they could now store more on the hard drive and be able to upgrade the Hard drive for more storage space. All of these things are included in the 360 which can still be modded (with difficulty and sometimes dire consequences) but it doesn't really need to because a lot of the functionality gained by modding the first xbox is already available on the new one.
Coming from the Eris... yes, I absolutely regret getting this locked bootloader crap phone. A little more research before I bought would've been a good thing. Still would have been hard to pass up buy 1 referb for 50$ and get a 2nd free though.
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Coming from the Eris... yes, I absolutely regret getting this locked bootloader crap phone. A little more research before I bought would've been a good thing. Still would have been hard to pass up buy 1 referb for 50$ and get a 2nd free though.
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Well I thank you for a response even if it was somewhat vague. What bothers you about the locked bootloader? We still have plenty of rom's. Can still overclock. Can still make backups. So instead of just saying the locked bootloader suxor, explain what makes you want a phone with an unlocked bootloader.
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I used to swap roms all the time. Now when you swap roms to one made by another developer its recomended you sbf first. I could get by with never plugging the eris in to a pc. I could run different kernels on whatever rom which was very nice. I really miss cyanogenmod and the lock screen gestures. There's a ton more activity in eris dev and a ton more roms to play with. Hell, already got 3 gingerbread roms out for the eris. The locked bootloader has really limited this phone. The only thing it has over the eris is more mem and its faster. Keyboards nice too I guess. Id be sooo much happier with another htc though.
If you care so much about the development on a phone, then you shouldn't really get a phone, seriously, that's not what phones are for. The rom selection for the droid 2 is just fine and you can already do everything on it that you can for most other phones, minus gingerbread. You should be glad that development isn't like what it is on the droid 2 global, with only one usable rom that hasn't been updated in over a month.
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youre right, I shouldnt have a phone. Thought this was a developer forum, my bad
Im not saying development is bad, im just saying that if you bought a phone for the development being made on the phone then its obvious your priorities aren't straight, im bummed that there isn't much development for the d2g, but so long as I can talk and text and do other things just fine on the phone and it last me a minimum of 1 day while doing it, then I have no complaints.
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I hate to say it, but if you were that into ROM develepment, why did you make the jump after finding out about the locked bootloader in the first place? I had the Droid Pro before the D2 and then the Sammy Fascinate before that and the D1 prior to that. The D1 obviously had a lot of activity in the ROM department and was fun to play with, but I eventually got tired of changing the ROM so many times so once I found a good Kernel/ROM combo I never swapped again for the rest of the time I had the phone. When I made the switch to the Fascinate the weak reception forced me to get another phone and the DPro just came out so I made that switch and was happy for a while but couldn't handle the complete lack of development and the Blur was killing me. After reading about a ROM that looked good for me (Fission) I found someone willing to trade their D2 for my DPro and I'm absolutely loving this phone. Its everything I wanted, and I now have a phone I feel I can keep for the remainder of my contract and be happy with.
No remorse with the D2 for me.?
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If you care so much about the development on a phone, then you shouldn't really get a phone, seriously, that's not what phones are for. The rom selection for the droid 2 is just fine and you can already do everything on it that you can for most other phones, minus gingerbread. You should be glad that development isn't like what it is on the droid 2 global, with only one usable rom that hasn't been updated in over a month.
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I never said that is why I bought the phone. I didn't even know about ROMing until the phone was in my hands for a few weeks. It is not something I find absolutely necessary but it is something nice to have.
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Sorry miketoasty, that rant was not aimed at you but at the former owner of a droid eris. I didn't like how he made such a big deal about the rom development of a phone
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Sorry miketoasty, that rant was not aimed at you but at the former owner of a droid eris. I didn't like how he made such a big deal about the rom development of a phone
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Who the hell are you to tell me my priorities aren't straight? ROM development is a big fn deal to me. It's my fn opinion, which i'm fully fn entitled to. Why my opinion and me stating my opinion when asked to clarify would cause you to go on a rant, especially on a fn developors forum, I have no idea. Get off your high horse buddy. If you don't give a crap about development of a phone that's all you. Maybe in the future I'd like to start developing. Never know, I do have a strong linux background. I can tell you one thing though... it's not going to be on this phone.
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I hate to say it, but if you were that into ROM develepment, why did you make the jump after finding out about the locked bootloader in the first place? I had the Droid Pro before the D2 and then the Sammy Fascinate before that and the D1 prior to that. The D1 obviously had a lot of activity in the ROM department and was fun to play with, but I eventually got tired of changing the ROM so many times so once I found a good Kernel/ROM combo I never swapped again for the rest of the time I had the phone. When I made the switch to the Fascinate the weak reception forced me to get another phone and the DPro just came out so I made that switch and was happy for a while but couldn't handle the complete lack of development and the Blur was killing me. After reading about a ROM that looked good for me (Fission) I found someone willing to trade their D2 for my DPro and I'm absolutely loving this phone. Its everything I wanted, and I now have a phone I feel I can keep for the remainder of my contract and be happy with.
No remorse with the D2 for me.?
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I didn't find out about the bootloader being locked until after I made the jump.. see, I got two droid 2's for $50 total from verizon and my fiance needed a new phone... so.. I'm now the owner of a phone with a locked bootloader.
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Who the hell are you to tell me my priorities aren't straight? ROM development is a big fn deal to me. It's my fn opinion, which i'm fully fn entitled to. Why my opinion and me stating my opinion when asked to clarify would cause you to go on a rant, especially on a fn developors forum, I have no idea. Get off your high horse buddy. If you don't give a crap about development of a phone that's all you. Maybe in the future I'd like to start developing. Never know, I do have a strong linux background. I can tell you one thing though... it's not going to be on this phone.
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You do realize that you are coming off as a bit foolish when you act like development on a phone is more important than the function of the phone itself. I don't understand how you can absolutely hate the phone just because it has a locked bootloader, its one of the best pieces of hardware on the market and functions perfectly fine even with the locked bootloader. You think that a locked bootloader stopped devs like ang to make custom roms? It shouldn't even matter. I never said I don't give a crap about development on a phone, im running fission on my phone that I've heavily modified, heck I used to be a kernel developer for a linux distro called auroraOS, go check out their website, you'll see a familiar name on their dev list. Now please don't pollute the droid 2 forums with such hateful comments about the device, most of us here love our phones.
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You do realize that you are coming off as a bit foolish when you act like development on a phone is more important than the function of the phone itself. I don't understand how you can absolutely hate the phone just because it has a locked bootloader, its one of the best pieces of hardware on the market and functions perfectly fine even with the locked bootloader. You think that a locked bootloader stopped devs like ang to make custom roms? It shouldn't even matter. I never said I don't give a crap about development on a phone, im running fission on my phone that I've heavily modified, heck I used to be a kernel developer for a linux distro called auroraOS, go check out their website, you'll see a familiar name on their dev list. Now please don't pollute the droid 2 forums with such hateful comments about the device, most of us here love our phones.
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I stated my opinion of the phone. You're the one taking it personally and going off on a rant on me. Attacking me directly saying my priorities aren't straight. Did I say the people who own these phones suck? No, I said the phone sucks in my opinion and I regret getting one for myself. That's how I feel, end of story... sorry that got you sooo butt hurt. I respected your opinion of the phone, now respect mine.
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You do realize that you are coming off as a bit foolish when you act like development on a phone is more important than the function of the phone itself. I don't understand how you can absolutely hate the phone just because it has a locked bootloader, its one of the best pieces of hardware on the market and functions perfectly fine even with the locked bootloader. You think that a locked bootloader stopped devs like ang to make custom roms? It shouldn't even matter. I never said I don't give a crap about development on a phone, im running fission on my phone that I've heavily modified, heck I used to be a kernel developer for a linux distro called auroraOS, go check out their website, you'll see a familiar name on their dev list. Now please don't pollute the droid 2 forums with such hateful comments about the device, most of us here love our phones.
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You do realize you come off a bit foolish stressing how unimportant development and modding is on a DEVELOPMENT AND MODDING forum. Especially when you come back talking about how much you've modded your phone AFTER saying that as long as you can talk and text you don't care, because it's a phone.
Agree with you on the locked bootloader being a non-issue for the most part. Of course, were it not for the locked bootloader, we would probably already have full gingerbread roms for this phone.
3 of my co-workers have dinc's. I much prefer my droid2.
I didn't say that you said people who own the phone suck, I just said that I believe you're reason for greatly disliking the phone is pretty foolish, especially since it can be worked around. Once a gingeebread rom leaks for our phones im sure that the locked bootloader wont even be relevant anymore.
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I didn't say that you said people who own the phone suck, I just said that I believe you're reason for greatly disliking the phone is pretty foolish, especially since it can be worked around. Once a gingeebread rom leaks for our phones im sure that the locked bootloader wont even be relevant anymore.
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You'd think I did as personally as you took it. The locked bootloader is relevant to me. If it's not relevant to you, fine. I'm glad you love your phone, enjoy it. I happen to not like mine.
Alright well this has gotten a little out of control. I basically got my opinion down so if a mod wants to close this thread I think that would be best as the bootloader is locked and there is nothing any of us here can do about it.
guys I think we all need to calm down when it comes to developers and
their work around here
Motorola has always been known for the Closed Playground when it comes to it's devices so when a dev starts a project, most of the comment here doesn't really help.
you need to remember that we don't have the source code for the kernel yet, the moto atrix is only recently BL unlocked and most important - devs are doing all of this work for free and on their spare time!!!
coming from a long line of Android Devices ( G1, Milestone, Desire HD ) i Know what waiting means and not always you get what you want when you want it.
Patience is not bad word and whining certainly doesn't help at all
i traded my fully i unlocked customizable Desire HD for the atrix and sometimes it's frustrating that i can't put whatever rom that i want on it but i know that talking **** about devs won't help me.
so sit back calm down and lets hope things will go faster from now on.
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guys I think we all need to calm down when it comes to developers and
their work around here
Motorola has always been known for the Closed Playground when it comes to it's devices so when a dev starts a project, most of the comment here doesn't really help.
you need to remember that we don't have the source code for the kernel yet, the moto atrix is only recently BL unlocked and most important - devs are doing all of this work for free and on their spare time!!!
coming from a long line of Android Devices ( G1, Milestone, Desire HD ) i Know what waiting means and not always you get what you want when you want it.
Patience is not bad word and whining certainly doesn't help at all
i traded my fully i unlocked customizable Desire HD for the atrix and sometimes it's frustrating that i can't put whatever rom that i want on it but i know that talking **** about devs won't help me.
so sit back calm down and lets hope things will go faster from now on.
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High five! o_/ \_o
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+100000
Great post!
I agree with every word. Coming from HTC hero, and being used to replace roms almost on a daily basis, I can say that these chilish rushing was what ruined the hero dev community. The devs are doing wonderful job, and rushing them will only make them leave (khock for example...).
On an other matter, sortof, didnt the atrix kernel code was release right after the device was?
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+100000
Great post!
I agree with every word. Coming from HTC hero, and being used to replace roms almost on a daily basis, I can say that these chilish rushing was what ruined the hero dev community. The devs are doing wonderful job, and rushing them will only make them leave (khock for example...).
On an other matter, sortof, didnt the atrix kernel code was release right after the device was?
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Yeah, 1.26 was released & I think maybe 1.57??
http://sourceforge.net/projects/atrix.motorola/files/Atrix ATT/OLYFR_U4_1.2.6/
1.83 is supposed to be released this week, if you believe this:
http://sourceforge.net/motorola/atrix/discussion/general_comments/thread/c63fc4c9/
very well agree, i have been visiting this site for quite sometime, but keeping in the background since I do not know a WHOLE lot about modding and developing. Im starting to get the gist of it through books, and this website though.
I was quite disappointed when I read that kholk had quit due to people's immaturity
Very well said.
this should be stickied
Or face the fires of hell!
Annoying when idiots keep posting thread over and over and over bout CM7, MIUI etc..and when they will be released.
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