As I am sure you have noticed, there have been and will continue to be some changes made to the Einherjar Development Team membership, Rom line-up, etc.
Let me reassure you that the team is not dissolving.
Those who have decided to leave, have done so of their own free will.
The team has no ill will towards these members.
Below I have attached a highly abridged copy of EDT's new "Game Plan", if you will - The "X's" contain confidential internal sections.
Official EDT ROMS
Official EDT roms will be as follows:
There will be one official EDT rom for each of the following incremental releases:
2.1, 2.2, 2.2.1
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Official EDT roms at the time of writing:
2.1 - None
2.2 - Trigger
2.2.1 - Bi-Winning
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Unofficial EDT ROMS
Each member may decide to continue to develop their personal rom, at their discretion.
However, this will not be an Official EDT release and the OP of any such rom must not only note, in a prominent manner, that it is not an official release but must also adhere to XDA guidelines and include permissions granted and credits subsections in the OP.
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EDT Source Code
In adherence with GPL, EDT will release source code no later than the 60th day following initial inclusion in a release.
EDT Official Addresses:
Twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/Official_EDT
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_126230044116303
EDT Website: http://edtdev.com - Currently being rebuilt.
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END.
Other announcements:
There will be announced shortly an official A/B testing program.
The new EDT website, edtdev.com is currently being developed.
EDT is hiring! But our hiring standards have changed - And additions to our membership will be decided upon be consensus. Contact the group if you are interested.
Recognized EDT Developers at the time of this writing:
jellette/Heathen
Roman/birgertime
whitehawkx
demiurgic
Recognized EDT Kerneler at the time of this writing:
cmenard
If you feel that your name should appear on this list, please contact the team.
Still wondering why brick'd left and said the team made a decision without him....
xriderx66 said:
Still wondering why brick'd left and said the team made a decision without him....
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I'm wondering the same thing there has to be another side yo the story .....
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Best of luck to you guys, its a shame about those who left but if any team can handle this level of member loss its EDT.
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What's not to get? This is the decision that was made. Brick'ds rom would now be considered an unofficial EDT rom, so he decided to leave. Please stop trying to create drama when there's no reason to.
They knew, when making this decision, that it wasn't going to be popular with everyone.
thegreatcity said:
What's not to get? This is the decision that was made. Brick'ds rom would now be considered an unofficial EDT rom, so he decided to leave. Please stop trying to create drama when there's no reason to.
They knew, when making this decision, that it wasn't going to be popular with everyone.
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Don't forget, this also means that my own roms are no longer official.
No, not popular at all, but this will enable us to move forward as a team with the concentration being on the perfection of a singular rom.
I fully understand and respect that approach. Furthermore, I feel everyone involved has approached this with class. Kudos, gentlemen, for keeping this drama free.
Am I allowed to speculate that the
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=
2.3 Rom?
jellette said:
Don't forget, this also means that my own roms are no longer official.
No, not popular at all, but this will enable us to move forward as a team with the concentration being on the perfection of a singular rom.
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I understand both points perfectly. I also respect that decision, some people just love their conspiracy theories.
Best of luck to all involved...i have tried most edt roms and they are all consistently excellent...if this is what it takes to get our vibrants to
2.3 and above so be it...cuz honestly it was confusing to have so many roms from one team based on the same couple iterations of android (2.2, 2.2.1)
But after using loki as my dd for weeks and then switching to atriarc and now realizing neither of which will be supported bi-winning better be damn good...lol
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montez.061- said:
Best of luck to all involved...i have tried most edt roms and they are all consistently excellent...if this is what it takes to get our vibrants to
2.3 and above so be it...cuz honestly it was confusing to have so many roms from one team based on the same couple iterations of android (2.2, 2.2.1)
But after using loki as my dd for weeks and then switching to atriarc and now realizing neither of which will be supported bi-winning better be damn good...lol
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It is.
Sent from my full Trigger powered SGH-T959 using XDA App
I love edt roms. I always thought that there were just too many being banged out. This is actually a good idea. The official roms will be tightened and the non-officials will still be worked on when they can. Its win/win. Quality over quantity.
Cheers!
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I'll go ahead and put an end to all rumor right now. It was completely my decision, and there are no hard feelings. When jellette initially approached me to join the team, it was still new, still developing. When we were described by jellette last week as a loose consortium of devs maintaining our own projects yet pitching in with each other when needed, that is exactly what I've thought we've been the whole time. Since then though, seems priorities have changed and he wants to resturcture.
We had all spoken about something like this a month or so ago, and it didn't pan out at that time. After the comment last week, I figured it was all good in the hood and business as usual. Not sure what sparked the need to transition, and to do it so quickly, or what seemed quickly to the couple of us who did not get the memo. One thing jellette omitted from the OP, was that in the "binding document", out of a list of six individuals, half of the team had already agreed to it, by the time he sent it to the rest of us. I was never a math whiz, but that tells me there was a meeting between some of "us", and decisions were made with or without the rest of us.
The rest as they say, is history.
So, lets now all get on with our lives. I for one, forgot how much I do love Ginger Clone R2.
To EDT: I had fun. I learned a lot. Good Luck guys, and catch ya on the flipside.
jellette said:
Don't forget, this also means that my own roms are no longer official.
No, not popular at all, but this will enable us to move forward as a team with the concentration being on the perfection of a singular rom.
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What do you mean 'not official'? Or you meant that, it has to be collab'd with all EDT team, before making it official? And that, each member has it's own personal roms that can not be made official due to being an individual rom?
If that's the case, you don't have to answer, i just needing understanding. Thanks Heathen!
I see both sides of the argument. On one side it creates a uniform project, on the other it limits reach/individuality. I guess theme building will take a large step up for this. As it seems most people on here are only worried about what looks cool. And there are many different views as to what "looks" cool.
Personally the thing I like about the EDT group was the wide array of roms there were out there to try. I've rifled through just about every rom there was out there except for Loki and Malice, which ironically coincides with the people who left the group. Brickd's name is one that carries much weight in the vibrant community for me. I look forward to see the roms from EDT and the ones who left in the future. I just hope the group stays as helpful to the end user as they've been in the past. The attention to problems and questions by other users has been stellar.
Okay, I propose a 24 hour ban on EDT posts. I really don’t want to jump on here again and read that Jellette has decided he no longer needs a cell phone and that Roman’s decided he’s going back to working on the G1. Whitehawkx and Demiurgic are now joining Som & Krylon with Nexus development.
In all seriousness, I wish all parties involved the very best. Without all their hard work we’d all have different phones right now. Thanks for all you guys due as well as putting up with all of us clowns.
Br1cK'd said:
I'll go ahead and put an end to all rumor right now. It was completely my decision, and there are no hard feelings. When jellette initially approached me to join the team, it was still new, still developing. When we were described by jellette last week as a loose consortium of devs maintaining our own projects yet pitching in with each other when needed, that is exactly what I've thought we've been the whole time. Since then though, seems priorities have changed and he wants to resturcture.
We had all spoken about something like this a month or so ago, and it didn't pan out at that time. After the comment last week, I figured it was all good in the hood and business as usual. Not sure what sparked the need to transition, and to do it so quickly, or what seemed quickly to the couple of us who did not get the memo. One thing jellette omitted from the OP, was that in the "binding document", out of a list of six individuals, half of the team had already agreed to it, by the time he sent it to the rest of us. I was never a math whiz, but that tells me there was a meeting between some of "us", and decisions were made with or without the rest of us.
The rest as they say, is history.
So, lets now all get on with our lives. I for one, forgot how much I do love Ginger Clone R2.
To EDT: I had fun. I learned a lot. Good Luck guys, and catch ya on the flipside.
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oh okay.
I was just reverse-searching Heathens IP so i could go burn his house for making you leave. You saved him a whole house. (kidding)
Anyways, Brick'd you were always my second fav EDT member (freakin' heathen just got me hooked on flagship since part 1 sorry )
and it really is sad to see you go. I hope you once again re-think this, and maybe decide to stay, or atleast come back sooner.
@OP
I do like the idea, infact, i was probably one of the few that kept telling you to make 1 official rom, so you'd be more organized instead of releasing 5 roms weekly.
Well, EDT is my favorite team, and i would like them to have the best experience themselves and not just us consumers(?)
Good Luck on your new idea heathen, and i support and like it.
Cheers to a new beginning?
ndwgs said:
What do you mean 'not official'? Or you meant that, it has to be collab'd with all EDT team, before making it official? And that, each member has it's own personal roms that can not be made official due to being an individual rom?
If that's the case, you don't have to answer, i just needing understanding. Thanks Heathen!
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No, there are now only the Official EDT roms as laid out in the OP of this thread. Any side projects, of which there will be very few, will not enjoy the full support of the team.
This cuts down on the team being stretched out over several roms.
Br1cK'd said:
I'll go ahead and put an end to all rumor right now. It was completely my decision, and there are no hard feelings. When jellette initially approached me to join the team, it was still new, still developing. When we were described by jellette last week as a loose consortium of devs maintaining our own projects yet pitching in with each other when needed, that is exactly what I've thought we've been the whole time. Since then though, seems priorities have changed and he wants to resturcture.
We had all spoken about something like this a month or so ago, and it didn't pan out at that time. After the comment last week, I figured it was all good in the hood and business as usual. Not sure what sparked the need to transition, and to do it so quickly, or what seemed quickly to the couple of us who did not get the memo. One thing jellette omitted from the OP, was that in the "binding document", out of a list of six individuals, half of the team had already agreed to it, by the time he sent it to the rest of us. I was never a math whiz, but that tells me there was a meeting between some of "us", and decisions were made with or without the rest of us.
The rest as they say, is history.
So, lets now all get on with our lives. I for one, forgot how much I do love Ginger Clone R2.
To EDT: I had fun. I learned a lot. Good Luck guys, and catch ya on the flipside.
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Good on you man.
Now this is what you call, a 'community'. Clearly, "Brick'd" had made this decision on his own, and he's venturing on. I like his ROM's, as well as others. I made it to a point that every week, or maybe two (depending on my schedule), i'm flashing different ROM's and showcase them to friends of mine, whom got Vibrant's themselves. I even compete amongst my colleagues that have the 4G, and beat them on the fast and responsiveness of the ROM's we got here.
Anyway, best of luck to you, hopefully you release more of your personalized Roms. Thanks bro!
jellette said:
No, there are now only the Official EDT roms as laid out in the OP of this thread. Any side projects, of which there will be very few, will not enjoy the full support of the team.
This cuts down on the team being stretched out over several roms.
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Ahh, ok. Understood.
Thanks bro. BTW, nice freaking work on Atriarc. Some of my coworkers that have that phone are wondering how come I have some of the features they got and i'm not even AT&T or let alone an Atriarc phone. I go... "Secret, i'd have to kill you. Need to know basis" lol
Cool, thanks for the clarification....
Related
a wiki for installing CM is available to he Vibrant:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Full_Update_Guide_-_Samsung_Galaxy_S_(Vibrant)
NOTE: As of right now CyanogenMod is not available for the Samsung Vibrant.
It is not available right not and it won't be for a while. They are working on a port, but don't even think about asking when.
So when is the eta on cm6 for the vibrant?
Last night...
Me: http://twitter.com/MINUS_Stl/status/19620906791
Reply: http://twitter.com/wesgarner/status/19621176577
and
http://twitter.com/wesgarner/status/19621474600
That last comment shows me that wes doesnt want to work on the galaxy, but has to since people donated to him.
Eh, I understand his 'laziness'. The man works full-time.....in retail.
Moved to General forum. The development forum is only for development threads. (Threads with actual development happening.)
Questions should always be in the General forums (or Q&A if your device has a Q&A forum.)
And to the comment of wes not wanting to work on it, speaking as a developer, wes works full time and probably also has a life. He may have a girlfriend or a wife. He also had already promised a Slide CM6 release. Give him time to finish the Slide port and move on to the galaxy port. He can't spend his every waking moment coding stuff. Granted, he did take the donations required to get the phone, so he can't just ignore it, but I don't think he's ignoring it, either. Be patient.
I don't think Wes has a girlfriend
AndroidZ28 said:
I don't think Wes has a girlfriend
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Well i think it doesn't matter if he has a girlfriend or not, that's something personal... he may have a life.
Patience is a virtue guys, relax, enjoy your phone and things will come in not so long.
I meant he has no enthusiasm for this phone, hes only working on it because he has to.
"because he has to."
Is someone holding a gun to his head?
Well, as a Day 1 G1 owner, I would give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. He has done some amazing stuff for the community. Honestly, he can't port to all phones. If he tries too many, it could get bad.
I never mentioned a gun or that he cant do great things. He likes the slide better than the Vibrant. He will without a doubt spend more time with it than the vibrant, because he wants to use it. Im willing to bet a large chunk of the phone cost came from donations based on peoples hope for cm6, which is why he "has to".
MINUS Stl said:
Eh, I understand his 'laziness'. The man works full-time.....in retail.
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I sympathize with him. I work in retail too, and it can be extremely draining with very little job satisfaction.
bubonik said:
I meant he has no enthusiasm for this phone, hes only working on it because he has to.
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I doubt that. I've been following CyanogenMod development for a while, and he straight-up volunteered to get a Vibrant (especially when the donations started coming in) and work on a CM port.
Check http://github.com/wesgarner
He has been doing quite a bit of work on it!
Please stop speculating....
I have been following the CyanogenMod team for awhile! Wes isn't porting the CM over to the Vibrant/Captivate because of donations!!! He volunteered to work on it - FIRST! THEN, he got donations!
Wes committed himself to the Slide community to getting a working Slide CM6 port. So, it is only natural that he follow through on that commitment first! That shows honesty and integrity.
Give him time to work on that port and get it finished. THEN he will start serious work on the Vibrant/Captivate! Time may equal months - not weeks!
He also has a life outside of Android modifications. Many people here seem to think that these ports are easy - THEY ARE NOT! there are hundreds of tiny, tedious, meticulous details that have to be taken care of. Most of the time the kernel, the drivers, and the ROM ALL have to be tweaked to get everything working properly and they all have to work together.
If they don't - some snot nosed, unappreciative Noob will get on the forums and complain about how the dev should have had everything fixed before releasing the ROM!
Oh, and when the ROM IS RELEASED - please file the appropriate bug reports on the CM repository AFTER you check that your bug hasn't already been reported.
So, be patient and understanding - AND, CYANOGENMOD/TEAMDOUCHE RULE #1 - DON'T ASK HOW LONG TILL THE RELEASE!! LOL!!!
something inside telling me that we will not see good/stable cm6 on Vibrant this year I am more worried about official Froyo....then by the time 3.0 comes, I hope Galaxy line will have enough devs to cook a ROM in a month
ryfter said:
Well, as a Day 1 G1 owner, I would give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. He has done some amazing stuff for the community. Honestly, he can't port to all phones. If he tries too many, it could get bad.
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KingWho?
shaneaus said:
Please stop speculating....
I have been following the CyanogenMod team for awhile! Wes isn't porting the CM over to the Vibrant/Captivate because of donations!!! He volunteered to work on it - FIRST! THEN, he got donations!
Wes committed himself to the Slide community to getting a working Slide CM6 port. So, it is only natural that he follow through on that commitment first! That shows honesty and integrity.
Give him time to work on that port and get it finished. THEN he will start serious work on the Vibrant/Captivate! Time may equal months - not weeks!
He also has a life outside of Android modifications. Many people here seem to think that these ports are easy - THEY ARE NOT! there are hundreds of tiny, tedious, meticulous details that have to be taken care of. Most of the time the kernel, the drivers, and the ROM ALL have to be tweaked to get everything working properly and they all have to work together.
If they don't - some snot nosed, unappreciative Noob will get on the forums and complain about how the dev should have had everything fixed before releasing the ROM!
Oh, and when the ROM IS RELEASED - please file the appropriate bug reports on the CM repository AFTER you check that your bug hasn't already been reported.
So, be patient and understanding - AND, CYANOGENMOD/TEAMDOUCHE RULE #1 - DON'T ASK HOW LONG TILL THE RELEASE!! LOL!!!
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^^^This
Wes did an amazing job with OpenEclair and will do a great job with the Slide and Vibrant as well.
some of you should read this thread back over... Vibrant community is starting to sound like the post haykuro(whatever his name was) G1 community. If you havent donated $ then shut up and wait. Cant wait? Scared CM6 wont come to the vibrant? Im sure you can sell it or trade someone for it. Just stop with the immature BS and gossip. Ggggeeeeezzzzzz!
Catchin' the VIBE on the XDApp
Hi,
What should I do if the rom I am using and really like has disappeared and now is unsupported?
I'm using an AOSP Froyo rom and I can't seem to find any others let alone one which everything works in.
Yes I'm using Cronos Froyo, and I'm an honest user who doesn't care much for xda forums politics.
I've read the comments that the moderators have written in the thread and whilst I understand what they have written, do end users really have to suffer because of a dispute between developers?
Yes I agree in principle that source should be released with the release, but don't other rom devs have a donators only beta testing section before general release for testing which also occurs before source code release? Feeyo as far as I'm aware takes no donations what so ever.
Also, I wonder if the xda moderators have consulted laywers about the GPL as it is a legal document and thus won't be as black and white as it seems. A lot of companies behave not dissimilarly to feeyo and survive the threat of any action.
Beyond this, hero users really owe a lot to feeyo for the couple of months before official 2.1 got released as he was the only dev to get 2.1 working properly with long lasting battery life.
plonkersaurus said:
Hi,
What should I do if the rom I am using and really like has disappeared and now is unsupported?
I'm using an AOSP Froyo rom and I can't seem to find any others let alone one which everything works in.
Yes I'm using Cronos Froyo, and I'm an honest user who doesn't care much for xda forums politics.
I've read the comments that the moderators have written in the thread and whilst I understand what they have written, do end users really have to suffer because of a dispute between developers?
Yes I agree in principle that source should be released with the release, but don't other rom devs have a donators only beta testing section before general release for testing which also occurs before source code release? Feeyo as far as I'm aware takes no donations what so ever.
Also, I wonder if the xda moderators have consulted laywers about the GPL as it is a legal document and thus won't be as black and white as it seems. A lot of companies behave not dissimilarly to feeyo and survive the threat of any action.
Beyond this, hero users really owe a lot to feeyo for the couple of months before official 2.1 got released as he was the only dev to get 2.1 working properly with long lasting battery life.
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I believe he still releases in his forum - just do a google search
nope, it seems his account has been suspended on the domain, not good.
plonkersaurus said:
sing an AOSP Froyo rom and I can't seem to find any others let alone one which everything works in.
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There's AOSP ROMs. Without even plugging my own, there's the Fusion project for a start.
Froyd and Fusion are Cyanogen based roms which I've tried and don't work so well for me.
I'd count them as Vanilla roms not AOSP
Dude. You might as well turn xda into thepiratebay.Breaking a software licence is illegal no matter if the software is proprietary or open source.
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plonkersaurus said:
Froyd and Fusion are Cyanogen based roms which I've tried and don't work so well for me.
I'd count them as Vanilla roms not AOSP
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The only non AOSP thing about them is:
They include Google Apps
They include proprietary libs grabbed from the phone to make the phone work.
Guess what, that's what AOSP ROMs do too, the ones released here anyway, since they're largely unusable without Google Apps (Market, etc) and the libs needed to make the phone work.
If you want plain AOSP, you better have an ADP1, ADP2 or a Nexus One. There is no such thing as a pure AOSP Hero ROM.
What people mean when they refer to AOSP, is they yanked the git straight from Android and compiled it for X phone, adding in whatever apps along with the Google apps and the prop libs.
Cyanogenmod is also AOSP in that same sense. Only there's a ton of people working on the repo and fixing stuff that Android don't or haven't yet.
If you've run into a CM based ROM that doesn't work well for you then it's still down to the builder. Chances are if they made an "AOSP" ROM, it'd be even worse.
I'm actually a professional software developer.
The Hero community here, as it is, I would never contribute to, because I wouldn't want my work included into someone elses rom that they then take donations for (I would never ask for donations for my work) especially since there seems to be no pioneering development going on by themselves.
So I see feeyo as someone like me, but with a drive to get things working on the hero.
In my eyes he is a bit like a vigilante or I guess like Batman. What Batman does is illegal too you know.
Sometimes there is such thing as the lesser of two evils and the greater good.
He harmed no one doing what he did.
Hacre said:
The only non AOSP thing about them is:
They include Google Apps
They include proprietary libs grabbed from the phone to make the phone work.
Guess what, that's what AOSP ROMs do too, the ones released here anyway, since they're largely unusable without Google Apps (Market, etc) and the libs needed to make the phone work.
If you want plain AOSP, you better have an ADP1, ADP2 or a Nexus One. There is no such thing as a pure AOSP Hero ROM.
What people mean when they refer to AOSP, is they yanked the git straight from Android and compiled it for X phone, adding in whatever apps along with the Google apps and the prop libs.
Cyanogenmod is also AOSP in that same sense. Only there's a ton of people working on the repo and fixing stuff that Android don't or haven't yet.
If you've run into a CM based ROM that doesn't work well for you then it's still down to the builder. Chances are if they made an "AOSP" ROM, it'd be even worse.
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Cyanogenmod roms change a lot more things than just needed to get android working properly and I'm not a huge fan of all the changes
plonkersaurus said:
Hi,
What should I do if the rom I am using and really like has disappeared and now is unsupported?
.....
Yes I agree in principle that source should be released with the release, but don't other rom devs have a donators only beta testing section before general release for testing which also occurs before source code release? Feeyo as far as I'm aware takes no donations what so ever.
.....
Beyond this, hero users really owe a lot to feeyo for the couple of months before official 2.1 got released as he was the only dev to get 2.1 working properly with long lasting battery life.
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1... Switch to another ROM, or stick with what you have, they are your two options.
2... No, other devs do not have a "donators only beta testing section", and regardless if they did or not, I think you need to go and re-read all the info the mods have given about the GPL issue before adding your 2 pence worth.
3... I owe feeyo nothing. He may have produced ROMS, but contribute to the community he did not.
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App
plonkersaurus said:
I'm actually a professional software developer.
The Hero community here, as it is, I would never contribute to, because I wouldn't want my work included into someone elses rom that they then take donations for (I would never ask for donations for my work) especially since there seems to be no pioneering development going on by themselves.
So I see feeyo as someone like me, but with a drive to get things working on the hero.
In my eyes he is a bit like a vigilante or I guess like Batman. What Batman does is illegal too you know.
Sometimes there is such thing as the lesser of two evils and the greater good.
He harmed no one doing what he did.
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Hahaha what. Being a developer doesn't mean you "get" the point of the GPL. Plenty of developers over at Microsoft don't "get" it. That doesn't make it any less valid.
In fact your entire post just screams "I do not understand open source development, what on Earth is wrong with people doing stuff themselves and hoarding it".
The "pioneering development" as you put it doesn't happen by individuals because it happens in groups. You know, lots of minds working towards a common goal.
Jesus on a bike.
EDIT: woah..
plonkersaurus said:
Beyond this, hero users really owe a lot to feeyo for the couple of months before official 2.1 got released as he was the only dev to get 2.1 working properly with long lasting battery life.
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I missed this when I first read the OP. Hahaha no he wasn't. Battery life has to be one of the most done to death topics on these forums and do you know what? Your battery life is solely dependent on you the phone user, providing of course the developer or the cooker hasn't done something utterly retarded to the ROM that causes battery to run down.
Until Froyo was released, Cronos wasn't even a compiled ROM it was a precompiled Sense ROM and as such subject to all the whims of the HTC base that the rest of us were.
Oh and I don't owe him anything. Never used his ROM, never benefited from what he apparently gave back to the community (nothing). He owed me and whomever else asked him for it, source code, which happened to be the one thing he never once provided while being happy to make use of source code provided by others.
Hacre said:
Hahaha what. Being a develloper doesn't mean you "get" the point of the GPL. Plenty of developers over at Microsoft don't "get" it. That doesn't make it any less valid.
In fact your entire post just screams "I do not understand open source development, what on Earth is wrong with people doing stuff themselves and hoarding it".
The "pioneering development" as you put it doesn't happen by individuals because it happens in groups. You know, lots of minds working towards a common goal.
Jesus on a bike.
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I didn't mention GPL anywhere in my post.
I mentioned that I wouldn't help this community due to the fact people would be accepting donations for what would be in part my work which I think is immoral.
That is what my post was about.
Plus I think you will find Linus wrote Linux by himself so individuals are capable of greatness.
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Plus I think you will find Linus wrote Linux by himself so individuals are capable of greatness.
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Re check your history. Linus did not write Linux by himself. He wrote the first kernel by himself. Linux wasn't truly born until he released it along with the source code and people started fixing it, writing drivers for it and writing coreutils/toolchains around it. It didn't approach anything like popular until it got x86 support and the kernel reached a level of maturity in the 2.0.x releases. Collaborative development/debugging. It's an amazing thing. Stunted quickly by the "I will not share" attitude that you're defending and supporting.
I am genuinely curious as to how you can guarantee that people will receive donations for your work. Or why you'd even care. My kernel source tree is used by others, I don't lose a wink of sleep over whether they get donations for their finished ROM or not, it doesn't matter.
Donations are just that, donations. They are not a fee. They are not someone taking someone else's work and then charging for it. They're something that an individual feels that they want to give to someone out of the kindness of their hearts as a thank you as well as the fact that donations are quite a rarity.
I got my first donation today. It'll buy me a few beers. It won't make me rich. I got it for my work on the kernel and my work on the Villain 2.2 ROMs. Have a guess how many people at Villain are now pissy that I got a donation and not the project itself. None. Have a guess how many GNU developers are now hand wringing themselves with pure fret because some guy got bought a beer for some work he did on their code. None.
You didn't have to mention the GPL in your post. The GPL is why these ridiculous threads keep springing up, it was the GPL and the failure to adhere to it, that got Feeyo canned.
People with your attitude toward community development have no place on these forums. Kindly take the door that has a Feeyo shaped hole in it.
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I'm actually a professional software developer.
The Hero community here, as it is, I would never contribute to, because I wouldn't want my work included into someone elses rom that they then take donations for (I would never ask for donations for my work) especially since there seems to be no pioneering development going on by themselves.
So I see feeyo as someone like me, but with a drive to get things working on the hero.
In my eyes he is a bit like a vigilante or I guess like Batman. What Batman does is illegal too you know.
Sometimes there is such thing as the lesser of two evils and the greater good.
He harmed no one doing what he did.
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If you don't want to share then Android is not for you.
And why the big deal about asking for donations. Its not free to run a site. And a donation is hardly mandatory, the clue is in the name, no-one was bent over and forced to do anything they never wanted to.
I have used Villain on and off since Feb and haven't donated a penny.
.... and Batman? Really? Yes he makes the decisions that no one else can, for the greater good, the bigger picture... he doesn't play hero just to boost his own ego.
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EDIT: woah..
I missed this when I first read the OP. Hahaha no he wasn't. Battery life has to be one of the most done to death topics on these forums and do you know what? Your battery life is solely dependent on you the phone user, providing of course the developer or the cooker hasn't done something utterly retarded to the ROM that causes battery to run down.
Until Froyo was released, Cronos wasn't even a compiled ROM it was a precompiled Sense ROM and as such subject to all the whims of the HTC base that the rest of us were.
Oh and I don't owe him anything. Never used his ROM, never benefited from what he apparently gave back to the community (nothing). He owed me and whomever else asked him for it, source code, which happened to be the one thing he never once provided while being happy to make use of source code provided by others.
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Ok, so you never used his rom. I did and it was leagues ahead of anything else at the time. It made our phones really usable with 2.1. I remember when it was first released it was in the top 5 threads for a week on the front page of xda so I'm sure I wasn't the only one to experience this.
Also, sometimes it's the way you ask for something. I never once saw you ask for the source code with a view to work with him on it, only to get access to it. I know you are going to spout GPL rules now but I would rather not provide them knowing they will be taken over and most likely I would not be included in development in a "team" way, and rather take the punishment when it came of being banned.
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Also, sometimes it's the way you ask for something. I never once saw you ask for the source code with a view to work with him on it, only to get access to it. I know you are going to spout GPL rules now but I would rather not provide them knowing they will be taken over and most likely I would not be included in development in a "team" way, and rather take the punishment when it came of being banned.
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My first four or five requests were incredibly polite. There were a plethora of polite request the first time he pulled this stunt too. My reason for asking was irrelevant. However my reason for asking for those particular sources, were twofold:
1: I didn't believe it.
2: If it was true then the community should damn well get access to it so we as a group can get it up to full working order so that EVERY ROM DEVELOPER can make use of it.
Taken over? What? I now don't believe that you're a developer, at least nothing outside pointing and clicking in a GUI based programming tool in some office somewhere, because you clearly have no idea of what collaborative development is. You cannot shut anyone, ANYONE, out of a GPL project, that's the whole frigging point. See my signature? Source code. Source code anyone can take and modify. Source code people are welcome to change, fix, port, patch and if they want to, submit a pull request so I can merge those fixes in.
Click the link. Follow the fork tree. Observe the magic as my changes move upstream to the original cyanogenmod + Hero kernel. Observe further magic as changes they make merge their way down into my kernel. Yeah I/we are really all about shutting people out.
Stop trolling.
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Ok, so you never used his rom. I did and it was leagues ahead of anything else at the time. It made our phones really usable with 2.1. I remember when it was first released it was in the top 5 threads for a week on the front page of xda so I'm sure I wasn't the only one to experience this.
Also, sometimes it's the way you ask for something. I never once saw you ask for the source code with a view to work with him on it, only to get access to it. I know you are going to spout GPL rules now but I would rather not provide them knowing they will be taken over and most likely I would not be included in development in a "team" way, and rather take the punishment when it came of being banned.
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You might be right, maybe they wouldn't have let him be in the team, maybe they would have. Who cares, they would have had to credit it to him either way, just as they credit help from other developers now.
The main point is that he wasn't willing to help push things forward. He wanted all the spotlight for himself.
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Re check your history. Linus did not write Linux by himself. He wrote the first kernel by himself. Linux wasn't truly born until he released it along with the source code and people started fixing it, writing drivers for it and writing coreutils/toolchains around it. It didn't approach anything like popular until it got x86 support and the kernel reached a level of maturity in the 2.0.x releases. Collaborative development/debugging. It's an amazing thing. Stunted quickly by the "I will not share" attitude that you're defending and supporting.
I am genuinely curious as to how you can guarantee that people will receive donations for your work. Or why you'd even care. My kernel source tree is used by others, I don't lose a wink of sleep over whether they get donations for their finished ROM or not, it doesn't matter.
Donations are just that, donations. They are not a fee. They are not someone taking someone else's work and then charging for it. They're something that an individual feels that they want to give to someone out of the kindness of their hearts as a thank you as well as the fact that donations are quite a rarity.
I got my first donation today. It'll buy me a few beers. It won't make me rich. I got it for my work on the kernel and my work on the Villain 2.2 ROMs. Have a guess how many people at Villain are now pissy that I got a donation and not the project itself. None. Have a guess how many GNU developers are now hand wringing themselves with pure fret because some guy got bought a beer for some work he did on their code. None.
You didn't have to mention the GPL in your post. The GPL is why these ridiculous threads keep springing up, it was the GPL and the failure to adhere to it, that got Feeyo canned.
People with your attitude toward community development have no place on these forums. Kindly take the door that has a Feeyo shaped hole in it.
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I think the problem here is your attitude, you seem to think you own the place. I am free to stay here as I wish as far as I know. I also don't believe you are reading my posts correctly as you seem to think I am against community programming which is further from the truth.
I never said I wouldn't share. I wouldn't share with you. I think community programming is great all things being equal. It seems to me that the hero community here is terrible right now and thus I wouldn't help it.
Getting people banned definitely isn't making you friends either. I honestly never saw you wanting to work with feeyo only to get at his work.
I would have no problem helping out trying to get android to work on the Xperia X1 and supplying my source code as that is a true example of people working together.
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My first four or five requests were incredibly polite. There were a plethora of polite request the first time he pulled this stunt too. My reason for asking was irrelevant. However my reason for asking for those particular sources, were twofold:
1: I didn't believe it.
2: If it was true then the community should damn well get access to it so we as a group can get it up to full working order so that EVERY ROM DEVELOPER can make use of it.
Taken over? What? I now don't believe that you're a developer, at least nothing outside pointing and clicking in a GUI based programming tool in some office somewhere, because you clearly have no idea of what collaborative development is. You cannot shut anyone, ANYONE, out of a GPL project, that's the whole frigging point. See my signature? Source code. Source code anyone can take and modify. Source code people are welcome to change, fix, port, patch and if they want to, submit a pull request so I can merge those fixes in.
Click the link. Follow the fork tree. Observe the magic as my changes move upstream to the original cyanogenmod + Hero kernel. Observe further magic as changes they make merge their way down into my kernel. Yeah I/we are really all about shutting people out.
Stop trolling.
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That's not what I mean by shutting people out. I'm not trolling but replying to your false accusations.
You are also trying to personally discredit me by calling me a point and click GUI programmer which is below the belt. You know nothing about me.
What I mean is, working together as these roms are virtually the same project is about communicating. Something that would not have happened and does in a real collaborative effort.
I'm sick of this thread and having to defend myself because you fail to understand what working together really means. And no it's not just following rules. It's obvious you aren't a professional programmer. People skills and management are just as important as being able to program and that is the point I am trying to get at.
I think you've formed your opinion and regardless of how many times Hacre blows your point out of the water, your not going to be swayed are you. He shouldn't even have to explain himself to you, every point had been covered in the other fan threads already.
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Looking for 1.2.0... I see activity in the thread at 2:40am but the sticky post goes to a shut down notice... anybody?
Mods locked it because he released 1.2.0 early to donators
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Maybe I should have donated... are we all mad about this or is this something that will go away soon?
Mods got mad that he was releasing to donators and they think he was asking for money for the ROM.
Flipz/Fresh does this for the Hero and the Evo which makes no sense..
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So sad
threedfreek said:
Maybe I should have donated... are we all mad about this or is this something that will go away soon?
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Well, this is sad for a couple reasons.
1) This is an established developer, who never required anything for use of his roms, and had over 10 revisions located here. He *rewarded* his donators for supporting him. This is not to be confused with a *few* other rom chefs with no proven track record, not released anything to the board and asking for money for a rom. This dev is in a diffrent league and should be treated diffrently IMO.
2) He had alot of users using his roms, he had alot of support and Q&A that is all gone now, the thread is gone but people still use his roms and may want support or something to continue. I dont think making the thread *dissapear* is the correct action. It also insinuates Guilty before proven innocent as the dev is punished before things are worked out.
My 2 cents
I think the mods should explain themselves and see if the community sees any problems with schiz... I for one do not begrudge the guy for early release to donators... fact is this is the american way which I am proud to be a part of.
This is especially lame, because now I have no idea where the hell to get the thing. What if I WANT to donate? He's not charging for the ROM. He's just releasing early to donations.
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Well, this is sad for a couple reasons.
1) This is an established developer, who never required anything for use of his roms, and had over 10 revisions located here. He *rewarded* his donators for supporting him. This is not to be confused with a *few* other rom chefs with no proven track record, not released anything to the board and asking for money for a rom. This dev is in a diffrent league and should be treated diffrently IMO.
2) He had alot of users using his roms, he had alot of support and Q&A that is all gone now, the thread is gone but people still use his roms and may want support or something to continue. I dont think making the thread *dissapear* is the correct action. It also insinuates Guilty before proven innocent as the dev is punished before things are worked out.
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I agree. I have been using Schizo's rom (1.1.6 w/Mixup kernel) for a couple weeks now and was greatly looking forward to version 1.2. He has done the best on incorporating compatibility with different kernels as well as prompt support.
I think the community is owed an explanation and a way to contact Schizo to see his side of the story.
i agree... he has supported the rom, stayed up late to get out the newest version early and always said he was releasing it regually as well.....
His ROMs actually work and you all freaking delete his thread? What the heck is wrong with you all. Stomping on a DEV, this is like the crap Apple does. Totally Lame. You all need to to reinstate this guy. Folks in this community "donate" money to DEVs and to keeping this site up and running. If word gets out that MODs are deleting threads for pointless reasons then people are going to pull their money out of this site and will start to hurt then help XDA.
Put him back-online and get the MOD to explain his actions!
I agree.
The Epic needs Devs and he seemed like a good one.
I understand the mods hesitance for his methods, but they should lay down GROUND RULES if they think he did something wrong.
I'm fine with it being released early. Call it "beta testing" for those who donated. In fact, with many new ROMs I usually wait a few days in case there are bugs.
The mods should allow the donate early-beta test model, stating it must be released publicly within X days.
Those of us who had donated have received an email from schiz. He says hes trying to work it out with the mods. Hopefully theyll get it worked out, if not, he'll pop up on his own site.
I ran fresh for months on my hero, but i think his donators-get-it-first was based off his website, not xda. I guess because schiz stated that donators would get it early, he got in trouble. If the mods really want to stop this kind of thing, then ban any developer who links to a donation account. But they wont do that, and shouldnt, because devs do deserve donations. But i guess you better not point to the donate link, otherwised youre banned.
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I have the latest update and am unsure on installing it. I don't want to install something that I won't have any support for, this is ridiculous. He puts his time, energy and money into making a rom and releases it to some people who have given him donations because they liked his rom so much, nothing wrong with it in my opinion.
Schizo and I are going to be working on a site tonight, since he has the domain and the web space now, we are going to work something up.
Stay tuned. Epic Experience will be right back .
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I guess because schiz stated that donators would get it early, he got in trouble.
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Like I said, he should offer exclusive "beta test" to people via their paypal e-mail addresses.
Then he can keep it off the forums, but still give reason to donate.
I've been on all sides of the equation (developer, donator, and leecher). I think it's fair. Just as long as he releases it, in full, to the leechers within X time. He seems like a quality developer.
Wtf schizo was an awesome dev. He was really dedicated. So what if he released them early to donators. Like someone else saidd, that's the american way. I expect to wait a little longer for something that's free. I understand completely.
I don't get why he was given the banhammer. Unless he said "you can't get 1.2 unless you donate." Then I don't see how it violates tos
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Bring him back, now please
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Schizo and I are going to be working on a site tonight, since we has the domain and the web space now, we are going to work something up.
Stay tuned. Epic Experience will be right back .
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Whew, the start of this thread almost ruined my Friday. You guys rock!
viper134 said:
I have the latest update and am unsure on installing it. I don't want to install something that I won't have any support for, this is ridiculous. He puts his time, energy and money into making a rom and releases it to some people who have given him donations because they liked his rom so much, nothing wrong with it in my opinion.
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If you donated, you will continue to get support, don't worry, he isn't giving up just like that.
Epic Experience will continue to get support, so don't worry about that.
guess I don't like the phrase leecher... but I guess if I don't pay I get called names... while this thing is in hot dev I wait to find what I want to keep and what I will call quits on... when I find the "end" I donate... until then I would rather be called a tester... when things go wrong I explain what's going on that might be fixed... in that case I'm a tester... not a leecher... just sayin'
bring back the "greatest epic experience"
Over the past couple months their seems to be more quote on quote "developers" asking for donations for their work or at least their latest.
Something to keep in mind is these "developers" are merely piecing together other's work that can be found by searching through the android parts of this board. Now while I do appreciate the time they spent piecing parts together I feel someone more important is being over looked, the people that get us the firmware that makes it possible.
So the next time you think a certain developer is worth your donation, take the time to donate to the people that give these developers the base to work with, without these firmware leaks, the dev's would have nothing to build from.
thanks
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Over the past couple months their seems to be more quote on quote "developers" asking for donations for their work or at least their latest.
Something to keep in mind is these "developers" are merely piecing together other's work that can be found by searching through the android parts of this board. Now while I do appreciate the time they spent piecing parts together I feel someone more important is being over looked, the people that get us the firmware that makes it possible.
So the next time you think a certain developer is worth your donation, take the time to donate to the people that give these developers the base to work with, without these firmware leaks, the dev's would have nothing to build from.
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So you're saying you want us to donate to Samsung? Or some unknown that leaks firmware?
I donated enough to Samsung when I bought the phone. If it worked like it was supposed to, I wouldn't need anything from anyone else.
People really asked you to donate?
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This guys last 4 or so posts are all negative towards Master because he lets Donator's have first dibs on new releases... which Team Whiskey also does/did?
All I read was...
blah blah, wasted thread, blah... /rant.
Ah ha I see
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Yeah, donations to Samfirmware seem to be in order. I'd give my money to them before the developers here.
While I do appreciate developers putting their time into these roms, until they start releasing roms that are all give and no take(ie a slight increase in response in exchange for a lot of battery life; losing functionality of certain apps or functions etc), I couldn't justify donating a dime. If the only bugs in your rom are the same as the phone comes with, but you've increased performance slightly or fixed a bug or two, then I'd donate a few bucks. I don't donate for the sake of donating just like my employer won't pay me for sitting around doing a half-assed job.
I'm on a stock froyo rom right now, no lagfix or overclock, and it's running as smooth as any team whiskey or axura rom i've used(which would be nearly every), minus the bugs. No offense to any developer here, but I need something worth my hard earned money. I was real close to donating for the 1.6ghz overclock kernel until it turned ugly. Stuff like that, and less buggy roms with more features are where I'll be putting my money.
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So this is kinda like another I got banned for a day wah wah wah type deal at least if it had a hateful title it would be gone already
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Developers have never demanded that we donate. Last I knew WE have a choice in what WE want to do. I donated my kids clothes that no longer fit them to the salvation army. I stay at work longer than required, so in theory I donated my time. My friend was moving so I donated my truck to make it easier for him. I donated a pepsi to Master because he was thirsty. I have never asked for anything in return. I did it because I wanted to.
These were all MY decisions to make.
Master has not made anyone donate to get a ROM. All he does is pay it forward. You buy him a Pepsi...you get access to a donor forum and a thank you. Pretty nice guy I say!
And people wonder why developers leave XDA....
This is directed at allthrottle. To sit and say that a leaked stock 2. 2 is better than the modded roms here is just plain ridiculous. The nerve of some people who complain about free stuff..... as for the OP, you do seem jaded. Threads like these do no good. Find a Rom you like, and donate if you want. It's real simple.
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No, it's been my experience so far that this leaked rom has been less buggy overall than every other 2.2 rom Ive tried yet. It may not be as responsive to begin with, but its been consistantly smooth, which I couldnt say about any dev rom Ive tried(again, my experience). Im excited to see the latest, less buggy leak though. I cant say its 100% stock, it does have launcher pro and bloatware removed along with a couple of apps frozen.
And again, this isnt to say the devs suck, because Im very grateful for their work so far. But nothing yet has done enough for me to merit a donation. Im looking forward to someone releasing something that does, though.
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I don't like custom roms for the same reason. They're either hideously themed and/or have more bugs than the rom it's based on, some of these bugs being crippling. It's just not the same.
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So you're saying you want us to donate to Samsung? Or some unknown that leaks firmware?
I donated enough to Samsung when I bought the phone. If it worked like it was supposed to, I wouldn't need anything from anyone else.
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Not at all, but consider the people that get us the firmwares, from what I've heard they have seen ZERO donations.
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People really asked you to donate?
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No but some surely do put it out there more often than others, I consider that begging. Developers do this because they love it, not because it's a payday for them.
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This guys last 4 or so posts are all negative towards Master because he lets Donator's have first dibs on new releases... which Team Whiskey also does/did?
All I read was...
blah blah, wasted thread, blah... /rant.
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You are surely entitled to your opinions just as I am, sad you can't see the larger writing on the wall but then again, this world is full of blind people.
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Yeah, donations to Samfirmware seem to be in order. I'd give my money to them before the developers here.
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BINGO, without these leaks, there would be no further rom development, yet the guys that risk their jobs to leak these firmwares never get donations.
and for what it's worth this thread has nothing to do with hate towards any one person but to help inform the members here that developers that release these "custom" roms are only part of the equation. The bigger picture is if there is no firmware there is no improved roms, just different colored roms with apps zipped into them.
Donate to me for reading that
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donate to people who don't have food to eat, home to live, clothes to wear.
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if you don't know who to donate to, you can always donate to me.
just sayin...
He means to.the origanal.developer meaning.dont.donate to.those who only thene and call it their own personal rom whichis bs
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Yeah, donations to Samfirmware seem to be in order. I'd give my money to them before the developers here.
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I agree. I would still be using stock on the phone JFD with no new firmware updates available to flash, and no ROMS based on anything other than JFD or phone dumps of different firmware. Also, I don't think we would have Odin either.
RE: ▽▲ AXURA Vibrant Edition ▼△ Development Stopped.
First I'd like to say that was a punk move. Secondly, there's plenty of other great ROMs out there. I'm not sad, nor upset. I'm not going to kiss Master's ass. (I'm a software developer, I could take my own time to do this same ****) I'm also not going to flame or trash him (That'd be a waste of bandwidth and time).
The politics on these forums is ridiculous. You get something for free and then everyone *****es when things don't go their way. Devs take their personal time to provide you with something 'cool' or 'different' and you have a few select people ruining it for others. I don't 100% agree with 'Donating' to get 'early releases', but whatever. It is what it is. I'll roll with 2.0.6 AKA Axura Final until I get bored or something different catches my eye.
I'll admit, I really liked the theming done to it. I'm so sick of black and stupid ugly colors (I have a bit of a desiger background) that a lot of people call 'cool' or thinks 'looks great!'. And after searching for a ROM that didn't look like total ****, I actually considered getting involved in the theming community. We'll see.
Haters will hate.
I'm just taken away by this, I go out to eat with ole girl, come back and everything is stopped. I'm keeping 2.1 one for a while now, its destined to be a relic. But it is a damn good ROM, and skoal had to **** it up for everyone. I am sure he has recieved TONS of PMs from pissed off followers of Master, and rightfully so. However, I will not partake in anything like that.
I'm hoping this is just a phase that will blow over. Master came out of no where, it a place dominated by the "heavy hitters" and made a name for himself.
Good, mature post.
When somethings turns from being appreciated into being expected...
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I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.
How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)
You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).
I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.
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I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.
How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)
You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).
I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.
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Its not all WHAT was done, but what was SAID, and how it went down. Blatant disrespect.
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I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.
How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)
You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).
I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.
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+1
When we try to stop the leaking of leaked roms then I think it's getting out of control.
I can fully appreciate Master +all the other devs for the work but the fact is, one person gets the rom early and Master calls foul... big deal. Get over it. I wonder how many leaked roms from other devs have fallen into Master's lap.
+1
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Good, mature post.
When somethings turns from being appreciated into being expected...
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Exactly my thoughts.
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+1
When we try to stop the leaking of leaked roms then I think it's getting out of control.
I can fully appreciate Master +all the other devs for the work but the fact is, one person gets the rom early and Master calls foul... big deal. Get over it. I wonder how many leaked roms from other devs have fallen into Master's lap.
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This is the first I've been involved with any ROM outside of the G1 realm (CyanogenMod) and I don't know of any other project where you can donate to get special treatment. Honestly, that's where the problem started. Dealing with money and VIP status. Cyanogen doesn't release anything until he's ready. Mainly so he can avoid the barrage of "X doesn't work, plz/fix/k/thx!". I also don't think if a few people get ZOMG v6.0.1.2-FINAL, that he'd be too upset.
There is a sense of quality control. You don't want a lot of people to get an early release to prevent the spamming of complaints. It's distracting and takes away from your project plan. If this was a real dev shop there'd be a bug tracking list and a handful of devs hacking away at their assigned tickets.
Overall, (both parties included, or and I guess the leaker too) it's a punk move. What are we? 12? (Sometimes I think we are! after all the bickering I read)
Meh... :|
It is a shame. While I wasn't going to donate to get a pre-release copy, I was going to donate after the final version was released assuming it worked fine as a thank you for his hard work (I had a few issues with 2.05 and was waiting before flashing again).
It is his right though, even if it is confusing when considering the circumstances of how these types of ROMs got started in the first place.
This forum is so crappy now..
everyone wants rewarded and begs for money
Master I thought was the worse...
icebrkr said:
This is the first I've been involved with any ROM outside of the G1 realm (CyanogenMod) and I don't know of any other project where you can donate to get special treatment. Honestly, that's where the problem started. Dealing with money and VIP status. Cyanogen doesn't release anything until he's ready. Mainly so he can avoid the barrage of "X doesn't work, plz/fix/k/thx!". I also don't think if a few people get ZOMG v6.0.1.2-FINAL, that he'd be too upset.
There is a sense of quality control. You don't want a lot of people to get an early release to prevent the spamming of complaints. It's distracting and takes away from your project plan. If this was a real dev shop there'd be a bug tracking list and a handful of devs hacking away at their assigned tickets.
Overall, (both parties included, or and I guess the leaker too) it's a punk move. What are we? 12? (Sometimes I think we are! after all the bickering I read)
Meh... :|
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Agreed. Thanks for this thread. I hated reading the last one because of all the nonsense. A new rom will come and the fools will be foolish.
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kingrat said:
This forum is so crappy now..
everyone wants rewarded and begs for money
Master I thought was the worse...
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Let's not trash talk or name names... ok?
problem with forums like this
The problem with forums like this is they break out something like this:
10% 12-18
40% 19-26
40% 27-45
10% 46-60+ (where I fall into)
So, since age and maturity is the problem (or lack of maturity) there is no way to regulate that, not in an open forum....we are just left to self regulation........and as such, it will always be imperfect.
What is important is to be respectful and mature in the treatment (doing what they ask) of each other. The leaked rom from one friend to another is not really the core issue...........it is the public proclamation "Hey I got over on you" that demonstrates both the lack of respect and lack of maturity. This adolescent behavior (which the guilty one thinks is cute) damages our experience in this forum or in other forums. A Shame really.......
This forum gets ridiculous full of ungrateful people it really ruins development of great phones, people start to think they deserve something that was given out of good faith to help them hence original 2.2 leak
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Lets see if I can say this without sounding rude... Fok master, do the **** your self, a lot of his **** is off leaked stuff and others work...
he should be happy someone wanted his **** that bad...
By the way donating for a early release isn't a donation, thats a payment..... Never using his rom again, imma go stock and make the rom myself, you all could to its simple....
EDIT: Hell I remember when Master was trying to over run BIONIX lol Dude was all in their business... Trying to side help their ****. Man common Master, This is a punk move, for this You will never get a second look from me... Peace man, Just needed them donations/ Payments huh
Not allowing people to distribute his ROM is a violation of the GPL. He may ask, but he has no basis to. He built a ROM based on pre-released code and Open Source code and has no valid position to stop the same. Sure, he can get pissy if people do, that is certainly his right, but the moment he makes it available to anyone that person clearly has the right to distribute it unless it has actual proprietary software on it.
The person asking was within their rights
The person who gave it out was within their rights
Master getting pissed and stopping further development for people exercising their rights is completely within his rights.
Life goes on, shame, I was waiting for 2.1, time to move on.
kingrat said:
This forum is so crappy now..
everyone wants rewarded and begs for money
Master I thought was the worse...
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I've seen you in Master's thread, you've contributed nothing but disrespect and you're part of the reason he closed his thread.
FYI, Master isn't discontinuing development. He is choosing not to share with XDA. Anyone that is interested in his work can still find it on his forum.
Seems a lot of Devs are keeping their work on their own sites. From what I've seen on this site in the last few weeks, I don't blame them.
I think it's messed up for those that paid for his roms now to get no support.
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First of all thanks for making this thread OP. I want to get a few things out here as well.
Very immature on the part of everyone involved. Seriously grow up and get on with it.
This donation stuff is nothing more than payment and that is right. But the payment isn't so much for the software as it is the help in putting it together and getting it all to play nice. Sure you could piece it all together yourself if you had enough free time it isn't THAT hard. Or like me if your time is more valuable you can sling homeboy <INSERT NAME HERE> $10 and have him put it together for you. I value my time greatly and I lead a very busy life so I am very happy paying someone $10 if it even saves 30 minutes of my day. I am highly skilled and do computer security work for a living so it has nothing to do with knowledge or ability.
So lets make that clear. You are donating for their time not the actual software itself. Some of these guys spend a ton of time on their ROMs and if I can get that for a piddly $10-$25 donation then I say that is a deal. And on top of that he even offers personalized support when this ROM doesn't work.
I don't think the issue here is requiring donations because if they didn't nobody would donate so that is only fair. And it is more than reasonable for them to try to get some reward for time and effort invested. Especially if they have a website to support!
jnutz said:
First of all thanks for making this thread OP. I want to get a few things out here as well.
Very immature on the part of everyone involved. Seriously grow up and get on with it.
This donation stuff is nothing more than payment and that is right. But the payment isn't so much for the software as it is the help in putting it together and getting it all to play nice. Sure you could piece it all together yourself if you had enough free time it isn't THAT hard. Or like me if your time is more valuable you can sling homeboy <INSERT NAME HERE> $10 and have him put it together for you. I value my time greatly and I lead a very busy life so I am very happy paying someone $10 if it even saves 30 minutes of my day. I am highly skilled and do computer security work for a living so it has nothing to do with knowledge or ability.
So lets make that clear. You are donating for their time not the actual software itself. Some of these guys spend a ton of time on their ROMs and if I can get that for a piddly $10-$25 donation then I say that is a deal. And on top of that he even offers personalized support when this ROM doesn't work.
I don't think the issue here is requiring donations because if they didn't nobody would donate so that is only fair. And it is more than reasonable for them to try to get some reward for time and effort invested. Especially if they have a website to support!
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I couldn't agree more.