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THIS PLACE (ROMS) needs to grow up... HOW ABOUT...

OK guys... I think it's time to have a coming-to-Jesus (or buddha, or Mohamed, or Spaghettimonster) moment. Over many months I have downloaded lots of Roms, followed progress here and there... and quite frankly my opinion is THIS PLACE HERE NEEDS TO GROW UP.
THE PROBLEM
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I mean it's great that everyone and their grandmother can express their creativity by bringing out Roms, by using test releases, adding a few themes and call them stable, by taking dogs and call them fast.
FACT is, most ROMs SUCK, most are unstable don't make it past a few weeks, they start out fast but come to a screeching halt. Or a week in you notice that wifi doenst work, or alarm, or gmail or voice... or gmail works, but you can't send emails... and you'd don't find out until one week later when you really need that feature (at least those of us here who work)
At the end of the day the Roms here are for the most part BS... mine is longer than yours, I am faster then you, I am a pony or not, or stupidfast or or just superfast or superD or fastest or fasttest ...WHATEEVER.. I'd bet that 90% of regular users stop by once, flash a few roms then just get ultimately annoyed by the prepubescent J.O. session.....without any goal or direction or common goal...
THE SOLUTION
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So this place needs to grow up. HOW, well for a start adopt open source dev. principles. Instead of every 12 year old kid with a keyboard releasing their own orgasmicallyfast and ultimaterock stable rom, how about having a few development TREES.
Have different trees, that focus on FAST, STABLE, FUNCTIONAL. Or some mix that is clearly defined in a mission statement. Then have people commit improvements, changes to those trees and have official releases that would actually bring each tree further and add improvements. Have the most respected devs. manage those trees while all the newby devs contribute. Make contributions, being the creator of X or Y be the thing to be known for, not the "being creative in coming up with some dumb rom name".
Why, well it works in the opensource community, and if you look at that model, you'd actually see commercial companies entering the picture, sponsoring developments, donating code, paying salaries of developers, and with the option that some of the best devs. here actually can make a living of the work that is done here. Right now there's so much bs going on, a few minor things are real improvements, a lot is just cosmetic, same thing over with a new label or new mix
With the current situation devs spend hours and hours without the remotest chance that this work is taken seriously by the industry. Do you think they go and flash 100 rom's and test'em all to figure out what works.
Also what is better, to have 1000 Roms out there each used by 1000 people, or 10 used by millions.. in fact it would be a lot more. You'd find more mainstream users using the Rom's and you'd find the industry taking a look and things would move forward, there's evolution.
FINAL WORDS
Sorry to interrupt that happy kumbaya session here, and I am sure I'll get lots of hate/fu comments.. which quite frankly I don't care about - I'll just ignore you.
This is an idea, I want some of the leaders here to think about. Taking this mess and unite devs to actually contribute to some meaningful path forward, that is documented, has a standard, and people and eventually the hardware industry or telecoms or 2nd users (often in developing countries) can rely on, rather than being the side-freak show it is now, mostly created by all the 3rd rate devs that just remix while the people that really make progress are being flooded by the all the garbage out there...
Do whatever you wanna do with this comment... if this ends up being some angry comments flame war thread.. I'll just not gonna come back to it...and if no one sees my point.. then well, feel free to keep dwelling your nice little ecosystem here... and just dream about what this could be... for now I'll move on to my faster android device.. so long everyone.. and would be great if at least a fraction here would agree...
UPDATE:
How about having 2 sections. One for official ROMS - Have the community pick a handfull of ROMs. Each one needs to fulfill a basic set of requirements in regards to bug management/reporting, documentation (including credits), supervision (someone in charge approving code/additions). Also each ROM should have a mission statement as what the goal is of the ROM: f.e. stable and fast, or HERO, or Eclair, or max features, or keeping up with latest Android, etc. The goal is people can read the purpose/strategy/mission of each rom and decide which ROM they want to use and support (also financially) and keep track off. Each ROM needs to have 2 or 3 lead devs in charge.. so if one leaves that continuation is not an issue. If I can follow one Rom and use it for months.. I am much more willing to contribute $ then continually having to jump ship because of abandoned Roms...
If we would structure things this way, the leads for each of those main Roms, likely can live on this part time, we'd get dedicated people, and continuous progress, and results people can use... and it would open the development work to a more mainstream audience...

Cool story, bro.

lol.. your probably gonna get flamed....
but, the thing is they are "PORTING" roms that are not made for the G1/MT3G, most dev's are posting them as "unstable" or "experimental". The problem is that the users are expecting too much. The time it took you to write up all that could have been used to post bug reports.
I agree tho, that there needs to be more centralization with bug reports, more team work involved. Cyanogen and his buddies are doing a great job, I hope the other dev's can learn to work with him, contribute to his builds etc...
Also if your flashing rom's like crazy, its probably a hobby, if you want stable go back to stock and unroot your device

CaptainShanks said:
Cool story, bro.
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quoted for lulz

Bravo! Something that needed to be said since I stopped coming here 5 months ago because of all the bs. Facts are as simple as 4.0.4 was the best g1 roms and most stable since.. well ever. Every rom released since has in my opinion sucked HARD. I've flashed every single freaking one released and I've been visually impressed.. cause the themes are cool.. but i've been slow, and crashing apk's constantly. I don't like where the rom community is going. I believe all themed roms should be put into the Theme section and all of them marked unstable. and all the offical roms posted here. I'd even stretch and say this is one of the reasons Cyanogen removed his threads here. He knows his stuff needs more work and didn't want it here until it was ready. But kids and linking his work and messing around cause they're wannabe programmers and really ruining this site... I'm done ranting but kudo's Alec well said.

I'm hoping Froyo w/JIT comes to the G1/MT3G, Cyanogen will probably be the first with a froyo build, it seems the android dev's are pushing out froyo already Let's wait, be patient, submit bug reports, support the dev's that are spending hours a day porting this **** over..

preach on brother man. but yeah, i mean, the community has always had its drama which whatever..... but really, firerat has been the only one doing what this community used to be about which is helping lend support to other devs roms.
i mean even if you look a couple months back, yeah sure you had about 3 maybe 4 diferent hero roms out there and maybe 3 other 1.6 roms plus Cyanogen's stuff..... but then again the community was alot larger (obviously before 2.1 and before the N1). now we have far less devs, but the same amount of roms. i mean, slide port alone has about 5-6 different ports and it just came out. same with legend and everything else. back then it wouldnt be strange to have several devs on one rom. now its one maybe 2 doing stuff on here (besides CM and teamdouche). they embody what the community used to be about, and the turn is really what has pushed some other mods away.
ive had a cliq and i have talked to eugene and barak about it. the mentality of everyone here basically pushed them away. thats why they dev on the cliq/behold. heck. the cliq community pitched in to get one dev a replacement phone after he bricked and its been sent around to several devs for them to pitch in on the phone since it has different bootloader images etc and its not worth going into bc its a crazy rediculous device. the "community cliq" is basically the phone that gets sent around to make sure development keeps going.
not that im saying we should do that but it just shows that other android devices have much tighter knit communities and dont have anywhere near the bs that we do. for example last night, some guy put out a thread SAYING he took a rom put out by other devs that dropped it, and did some work, then resigned and released. no one said he claimed full ownership of it. then someone has to come into his thread and start uselessly contributing. at that time he replied how he felt which is completely understandable, and he was right in ending the post by saying to continue it on twitter if he wanted to continue the conversation to get on twitter or start something in gen discussion (which where this should prob be btw but i understand the reason for putting it here so more would see). these threads should be for releases and bug repports and ideas for development. not saying awesome! or i cant wait to flash this! or most definatly hey everyone i wouldnt bother flashing this bc someone else is releasing this tomorrow and it will waste your time. that pushed another possible dev away. sure he might not have been super dev who would create his own rom from source, but he might have had a different look at something that might have helped speed up a rom or stop an issue.
moral to the story- were all on the same team, we dont need to shoot ourselves in the foot.
*yes i know this post has grammar and spelling errors. this isnt english class. thats my .02 cents

Who said you needed to flash them... For a person with the audacity to tell people that there rom sucks or anything of that matter and you haven't even touched a rom except to download, drag, drop, flash, and flame. People start somewhere not knowing what the hell they are doing to great developers like Cyanogen (and team) Firerat, pershoot, dumfuq, etc. I am dumfounded someone with 82 posts could be so belligerent when they have absolutely no idea how long it takes to theme or make a rom. Before you tell people to grow, I suggest you take your own advice and shove it where the sun don't shine.
If you want stable, unroot and get your *** back to stock...
All I am going to say on this topic.

Not much to say on this since I run cdma hero but I do come over here alot to check up to see if anything new thats good has popped for my girls phone up and although I agree partially with what your saying but your approach is wrong. And if you want a good rom two things you can do is make it your self or buy a sprint hero and come on over to our neck of the woods

Looks like someone forgot to take their 'Happy Pills'.

not sure on this guy himself but ive been looking into it for awhile, have the stock system dumps of a couple of dif sense roms and once i feel as though i have a good understanding of the java aspect/coding of it i fully plan on starting. right now im just messing around with apps. basic stuff. but i would be more than happy if anyone did wanna lend a hand at any time.
i wish that if you wanted to submit a rom, you would do it to a site, that would then take and post the rom with no name on it. users could submit bugs anonymously and the dev can then fix the problems. the users would submit a form having required fields like what type of device, sd card information, any apps added/removed and comments sections as well. this would then make it so it was all annonoymous. it wouldnt be hey have you flashed that new hero 5 v6 rom? or that eclair 3 v2 has a problem with wifi, i reported it and it should be fixed in v3. the only people who would have problems with it are people wanting credit. if no one takes credit and no one gives credit...... then where is the issue. people have problems with person b using person a stuff and getting credit for it. well if theres no way to tell who took what from where then what does it matter? unless your a credit whore it doesnt.
the dev i respect more than anyone out there is Barakinflorida.... guy never asked for a donation from anyone, guy is willing to lend a hand and talk to you about whatever it is you have to ask. by far the nicest guy in the android community. and he did it the right way. untill drizzy put him on blast at the end of his thing outing him as the one who basically helped him when he needed it, he was an unknown besides to the main devs and a small group of others.
and its not like the basic ideal of the OP couldnt be achieved. theres all kinds of sites that you can go to to host where people can go and update with their own edits. and if people want credit who cares. take and have them sign the mods they make or things they add/remove and then throw their name on the big board.
whoever has anything to say about credit, i say this.... take the free apps you use, we wont even use the stock OS' since they get paid by big companies (and i know no one will be able to list a developer who deved on one of the stock os' ne ways), and tell me each person who was on that dev team. sure one or two you might be able to. but on most of them..... you prob wont. ie- level up studios, seesmic. its free. how many people use it? and who created it???
exactly.

XxKOLOHExX said:
Who said you needed to flash them... For a person with the audacity to tell people that there rom sucks or anything of that matter and you haven't even touched a rom except to download, drag, drop, flash, and flame. People start somewhere not knowing what the hell they are doing to great developers like Cyanogen (and team) Firerat, pershoot, dumfuq, etc. I am dumfounded someone with 82 posts could be so belligerent when they have absolutely no idea how long it takes to theme or make a rom. Before you tell people to grow, I suggest you take your own advice and shove it where the sun don't shine.
If you want stable, unroot and get your *** back to stock...
All I am going to say on this topic.
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+1000000000000
The only point the OP got right is that devs will call almost anything ported to Dream/Magic as stable and fast (the worst offenders: zach, king, king, king, and king) but I never really expected that a Sense ROM would go super fast on our first gen devices.

Dude, you guys still don't get it... long as you got those big ass "Donate" buttons, and you idiots keep giving them money, and thus, incentive, it's not gonna stop...
I've said it before and I'll say it again (I myself pulled about 500 bucks from two rom series I made):
Contribute code/knowledge, not money. Learn how to do things yourself.
As long as people can make a buck off of simple stuff like porting, they'll continue doing it, subpar as it's always been.
That'll weed out the file-pushers, something every idiot who can use a browser can do, and leave those who actually have something to contribute doing so.

r0man said:
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the only point the op got right is that devs will call almost anything ported to dream/magic as stable and fast (the worst offenders: Zach, king, king, king, and king) but i never really expected that a sense rom would go super fast on our first gen devices.
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hahahahaha

rom
this rom sucks. I tried to flash it and it just hangs. This dev sucks. I thought my g1 was gonna grow up into a nexus one. This **** ain't stable at all. To the op "FIX THE DAMN SMS"

would be neat to see a tree with branches for Ramhack, crazy O.C kernels, stable non-crazy kernels, etc... so that we can actually compare apples with apples when it comes to speed from all these weird and wonderful hacks. but thats about it...

I didnt know 12 year olds were making roms, maybe we need to call authorities since I sense a sweat shop! Also, I dont see you creating any roms. You and many other *****ing bastards are the main reason why we cant have nice things in life.

you know he is true.
When I had my windows phone its was a lot of good **** going on hear (and the mods were more understanding)
I never post anything here anymore cause it will get deleted by a mod/admin you cant even ask a question without a million people saying why don't you use search.
Anyways thinks for The roms CyanogenMod or Steve cause in IMO he is the only one that deserves it. Every one just trys to make his **** better and by the time they do get it stable he has already released a stable version

RaffieKol said:
you know he is true.
When I had my windows phone its was a lot of good **** going on hear (and the mods were more understanding)
I never post anything here anymore cause it will get deleted by a mod/admin you cant even ask a question without a million people saying why don't you use search.
Anyways thinks for The roms CyanogenMod or Steve cause in IMO he is the only one that deserves it. Every one just trys to make his **** better and by the time they do get it stable he has already released a stable version
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A very sad but true statement indeed. I have seen many people on here asking a question only to be told: wrong thread, use search, MOD close this thread! All of that is just ridiculous.. oh yeah.. goodbye in case I get BANNED!

Well i do agree there is a bunch of unnecessary roms out there. I think it would be more beneficial to give support to the main roms like Cyan, instead of making a new rom out of each release.

[Q] What happened to Epic Experience?

Looking for 1.2.0... I see activity in the thread at 2:40am but the sticky post goes to a shut down notice... anybody?

Mods locked it because he released 1.2.0 early to donators
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Maybe I should have donated... are we all mad about this or is this something that will go away soon?

Mods got mad that he was releasing to donators and they think he was asking for money for the ROM.
Flipz/Fresh does this for the Hero and the Evo which makes no sense..
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So sad
threedfreek said:
Maybe I should have donated... are we all mad about this or is this something that will go away soon?
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Well, this is sad for a couple reasons.
1) This is an established developer, who never required anything for use of his roms, and had over 10 revisions located here. He *rewarded* his donators for supporting him. This is not to be confused with a *few* other rom chefs with no proven track record, not released anything to the board and asking for money for a rom. This dev is in a diffrent league and should be treated diffrently IMO.
2) He had alot of users using his roms, he had alot of support and Q&A that is all gone now, the thread is gone but people still use his roms and may want support or something to continue. I dont think making the thread *dissapear* is the correct action. It also insinuates Guilty before proven innocent as the dev is punished before things are worked out.
My 2 cents

I think the mods should explain themselves and see if the community sees any problems with schiz... I for one do not begrudge the guy for early release to donators... fact is this is the american way which I am proud to be a part of.

This is especially lame, because now I have no idea where the hell to get the thing. What if I WANT to donate? He's not charging for the ROM. He's just releasing early to donations.

brian_hoffman said:
Well, this is sad for a couple reasons.
1) This is an established developer, who never required anything for use of his roms, and had over 10 revisions located here. He *rewarded* his donators for supporting him. This is not to be confused with a *few* other rom chefs with no proven track record, not released anything to the board and asking for money for a rom. This dev is in a diffrent league and should be treated diffrently IMO.
2) He had alot of users using his roms, he had alot of support and Q&A that is all gone now, the thread is gone but people still use his roms and may want support or something to continue. I dont think making the thread *dissapear* is the correct action. It also insinuates Guilty before proven innocent as the dev is punished before things are worked out.
My 2 cents
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I agree. I have been using Schizo's rom (1.1.6 w/Mixup kernel) for a couple weeks now and was greatly looking forward to version 1.2. He has done the best on incorporating compatibility with different kernels as well as prompt support.
I think the community is owed an explanation and a way to contact Schizo to see his side of the story.

i agree... he has supported the rom, stayed up late to get out the newest version early and always said he was releasing it regually as well.....

His ROMs actually work and you all freaking delete his thread? What the heck is wrong with you all. Stomping on a DEV, this is like the crap Apple does. Totally Lame. You all need to to reinstate this guy. Folks in this community "donate" money to DEVs and to keeping this site up and running. If word gets out that MODs are deleting threads for pointless reasons then people are going to pull their money out of this site and will start to hurt then help XDA.
Put him back-online and get the MOD to explain his actions!

I agree.
The Epic needs Devs and he seemed like a good one.
I understand the mods hesitance for his methods, but they should lay down GROUND RULES if they think he did something wrong.
I'm fine with it being released early. Call it "beta testing" for those who donated. In fact, with many new ROMs I usually wait a few days in case there are bugs.
The mods should allow the donate early-beta test model, stating it must be released publicly within X days.

Those of us who had donated have received an email from schiz. He says hes trying to work it out with the mods. Hopefully theyll get it worked out, if not, he'll pop up on his own site.
I ran fresh for months on my hero, but i think his donators-get-it-first was based off his website, not xda. I guess because schiz stated that donators would get it early, he got in trouble. If the mods really want to stop this kind of thing, then ban any developer who links to a donation account. But they wont do that, and shouldnt, because devs do deserve donations. But i guess you better not point to the donate link, otherwised youre banned.
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I have the latest update and am unsure on installing it. I don't want to install something that I won't have any support for, this is ridiculous. He puts his time, energy and money into making a rom and releases it to some people who have given him donations because they liked his rom so much, nothing wrong with it in my opinion.

Schizo and I are going to be working on a site tonight, since he has the domain and the web space now, we are going to work something up.
Stay tuned. Epic Experience will be right back .

jirafabo said:
I guess because schiz stated that donators would get it early, he got in trouble.
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Like I said, he should offer exclusive "beta test" to people via their paypal e-mail addresses.
Then he can keep it off the forums, but still give reason to donate.
I've been on all sides of the equation (developer, donator, and leecher). I think it's fair. Just as long as he releases it, in full, to the leechers within X time. He seems like a quality developer.

Wtf schizo was an awesome dev. He was really dedicated. So what if he released them early to donators. Like someone else saidd, that's the american way. I expect to wait a little longer for something that's free. I understand completely.
I don't get why he was given the banhammer. Unless he said "you can't get 1.2 unless you donate." Then I don't see how it violates tos
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Bring him back, now please
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phantomevo77 said:
Schizo and I are going to be working on a site tonight, since we has the domain and the web space now, we are going to work something up.
Stay tuned. Epic Experience will be right back .
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Whew, the start of this thread almost ruined my Friday. You guys rock!

viper134 said:
I have the latest update and am unsure on installing it. I don't want to install something that I won't have any support for, this is ridiculous. He puts his time, energy and money into making a rom and releases it to some people who have given him donations because they liked his rom so much, nothing wrong with it in my opinion.
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If you donated, you will continue to get support, don't worry, he isn't giving up just like that.
Epic Experience will continue to get support, so don't worry about that.

guess I don't like the phrase leecher... but I guess if I don't pay I get called names... while this thing is in hot dev I wait to find what I want to keep and what I will call quits on... when I find the "end" I donate... until then I would rather be called a tester... when things go wrong I explain what's going on that might be fixed... in that case I'm a tester... not a leecher... just sayin'
bring back the "greatest epic experience"

RE: ▽▲ AXURA Vibrant Edition ▼△ Development Stopped.

RE: ▽▲ AXURA Vibrant Edition ▼△ Development Stopped.
First I'd like to say that was a punk move. Secondly, there's plenty of other great ROMs out there. I'm not sad, nor upset. I'm not going to kiss Master's ass. (I'm a software developer, I could take my own time to do this same ****) I'm also not going to flame or trash him (That'd be a waste of bandwidth and time).
The politics on these forums is ridiculous. You get something for free and then everyone *****es when things don't go their way. Devs take their personal time to provide you with something 'cool' or 'different' and you have a few select people ruining it for others. I don't 100% agree with 'Donating' to get 'early releases', but whatever. It is what it is. I'll roll with 2.0.6 AKA Axura Final until I get bored or something different catches my eye.
I'll admit, I really liked the theming done to it. I'm so sick of black and stupid ugly colors (I have a bit of a desiger background) that a lot of people call 'cool' or thinks 'looks great!'. And after searching for a ROM that didn't look like total ****, I actually considered getting involved in the theming community. We'll see.
Haters will hate.

I'm just taken away by this, I go out to eat with ole girl, come back and everything is stopped. I'm keeping 2.1 one for a while now, its destined to be a relic. But it is a damn good ROM, and skoal had to **** it up for everyone. I am sure he has recieved TONS of PMs from pissed off followers of Master, and rightfully so. However, I will not partake in anything like that.
I'm hoping this is just a phase that will blow over. Master came out of no where, it a place dominated by the "heavy hitters" and made a name for himself.

Good, mature post.
When somethings turns from being appreciated into being expected...
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I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.
How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)
You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).
I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.

xtremekilla09 said:
I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.
How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)
You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).
I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.
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Its not all WHAT was done, but what was SAID, and how it went down. Blatant disrespect.

xtremekilla09 said:
I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.
How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)
You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).
I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.
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+1
When we try to stop the leaking of leaked roms then I think it's getting out of control.
I can fully appreciate Master +all the other devs for the work but the fact is, one person gets the rom early and Master calls foul... big deal. Get over it. I wonder how many leaked roms from other devs have fallen into Master's lap.

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couped said:
Good, mature post.
When somethings turns from being appreciated into being expected...
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Exactly my thoughts.

razormy said:
+1
When we try to stop the leaking of leaked roms then I think it's getting out of control.
I can fully appreciate Master +all the other devs for the work but the fact is, one person gets the rom early and Master calls foul... big deal. Get over it. I wonder how many leaked roms from other devs have fallen into Master's lap.
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This is the first I've been involved with any ROM outside of the G1 realm (CyanogenMod) and I don't know of any other project where you can donate to get special treatment. Honestly, that's where the problem started. Dealing with money and VIP status. Cyanogen doesn't release anything until he's ready. Mainly so he can avoid the barrage of "X doesn't work, plz/fix/k/thx!". I also don't think if a few people get ZOMG v6.0.1.2-FINAL, that he'd be too upset.
There is a sense of quality control. You don't want a lot of people to get an early release to prevent the spamming of complaints. It's distracting and takes away from your project plan. If this was a real dev shop there'd be a bug tracking list and a handful of devs hacking away at their assigned tickets.
Overall, (both parties included, or and I guess the leaker too) it's a punk move. What are we? 12? (Sometimes I think we are! after all the bickering I read)
Meh... :|

It is a shame. While I wasn't going to donate to get a pre-release copy, I was going to donate after the final version was released assuming it worked fine as a thank you for his hard work (I had a few issues with 2.05 and was waiting before flashing again).
It is his right though, even if it is confusing when considering the circumstances of how these types of ROMs got started in the first place.

This forum is so crappy now..
everyone wants rewarded and begs for money
Master I thought was the worse...

icebrkr said:
This is the first I've been involved with any ROM outside of the G1 realm (CyanogenMod) and I don't know of any other project where you can donate to get special treatment. Honestly, that's where the problem started. Dealing with money and VIP status. Cyanogen doesn't release anything until he's ready. Mainly so he can avoid the barrage of "X doesn't work, plz/fix/k/thx!". I also don't think if a few people get ZOMG v6.0.1.2-FINAL, that he'd be too upset.
There is a sense of quality control. You don't want a lot of people to get an early release to prevent the spamming of complaints. It's distracting and takes away from your project plan. If this was a real dev shop there'd be a bug tracking list and a handful of devs hacking away at their assigned tickets.
Overall, (both parties included, or and I guess the leaker too) it's a punk move. What are we? 12? (Sometimes I think we are! after all the bickering I read)
Meh... :|
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Agreed. Thanks for this thread. I hated reading the last one because of all the nonsense. A new rom will come and the fools will be foolish.
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kingrat said:
This forum is so crappy now..
everyone wants rewarded and begs for money
Master I thought was the worse...
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Let's not trash talk or name names... ok?

problem with forums like this
The problem with forums like this is they break out something like this:
10% 12-18
40% 19-26
40% 27-45
10% 46-60+ (where I fall into)
So, since age and maturity is the problem (or lack of maturity) there is no way to regulate that, not in an open forum....we are just left to self regulation........and as such, it will always be imperfect.
What is important is to be respectful and mature in the treatment (doing what they ask) of each other. The leaked rom from one friend to another is not really the core issue...........it is the public proclamation "Hey I got over on you" that demonstrates both the lack of respect and lack of maturity. This adolescent behavior (which the guilty one thinks is cute) damages our experience in this forum or in other forums. A Shame really.......

This forum gets ridiculous full of ungrateful people it really ruins development of great phones, people start to think they deserve something that was given out of good faith to help them hence original 2.2 leak
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Lets see if I can say this without sounding rude... Fok master, do the **** your self, a lot of his **** is off leaked stuff and others work...
he should be happy someone wanted his **** that bad...
By the way donating for a early release isn't a donation, thats a payment..... Never using his rom again, imma go stock and make the rom myself, you all could to its simple....
EDIT: Hell I remember when Master was trying to over run BIONIX lol Dude was all in their business... Trying to side help their ****. Man common Master, This is a punk move, for this You will never get a second look from me... Peace man, Just needed them donations/ Payments huh

Not allowing people to distribute his ROM is a violation of the GPL. He may ask, but he has no basis to. He built a ROM based on pre-released code and Open Source code and has no valid position to stop the same. Sure, he can get pissy if people do, that is certainly his right, but the moment he makes it available to anyone that person clearly has the right to distribute it unless it has actual proprietary software on it.
The person asking was within their rights
The person who gave it out was within their rights
Master getting pissed and stopping further development for people exercising their rights is completely within his rights.
Life goes on, shame, I was waiting for 2.1, time to move on.

kingrat said:
This forum is so crappy now..
everyone wants rewarded and begs for money
Master I thought was the worse...
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I've seen you in Master's thread, you've contributed nothing but disrespect and you're part of the reason he closed his thread.
FYI, Master isn't discontinuing development. He is choosing not to share with XDA. Anyone that is interested in his work can still find it on his forum.
Seems a lot of Devs are keeping their work on their own sites. From what I've seen on this site in the last few weeks, I don't blame them.

I think it's messed up for those that paid for his roms now to get no support.
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First of all thanks for making this thread OP. I want to get a few things out here as well.
Very immature on the part of everyone involved. Seriously grow up and get on with it.
This donation stuff is nothing more than payment and that is right. But the payment isn't so much for the software as it is the help in putting it together and getting it all to play nice. Sure you could piece it all together yourself if you had enough free time it isn't THAT hard. Or like me if your time is more valuable you can sling homeboy <INSERT NAME HERE> $10 and have him put it together for you. I value my time greatly and I lead a very busy life so I am very happy paying someone $10 if it even saves 30 minutes of my day. I am highly skilled and do computer security work for a living so it has nothing to do with knowledge or ability.
So lets make that clear. You are donating for their time not the actual software itself. Some of these guys spend a ton of time on their ROMs and if I can get that for a piddly $10-$25 donation then I say that is a deal. And on top of that he even offers personalized support when this ROM doesn't work.
I don't think the issue here is requiring donations because if they didn't nobody would donate so that is only fair. And it is more than reasonable for them to try to get some reward for time and effort invested. Especially if they have a website to support!

jnutz said:
First of all thanks for making this thread OP. I want to get a few things out here as well.
Very immature on the part of everyone involved. Seriously grow up and get on with it.
This donation stuff is nothing more than payment and that is right. But the payment isn't so much for the software as it is the help in putting it together and getting it all to play nice. Sure you could piece it all together yourself if you had enough free time it isn't THAT hard. Or like me if your time is more valuable you can sling homeboy <INSERT NAME HERE> $10 and have him put it together for you. I value my time greatly and I lead a very busy life so I am very happy paying someone $10 if it even saves 30 minutes of my day. I am highly skilled and do computer security work for a living so it has nothing to do with knowledge or ability.
So lets make that clear. You are donating for their time not the actual software itself. Some of these guys spend a ton of time on their ROMs and if I can get that for a piddly $10-$25 donation then I say that is a deal. And on top of that he even offers personalized support when this ROM doesn't work.
I don't think the issue here is requiring donations because if they didn't nobody would donate so that is only fair. And it is more than reasonable for them to try to get some reward for time and effort invested. Especially if they have a website to support!
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I couldn't agree more.

Project 7 Nexus One, Double the 7rouble we have a EVOlu7ion

Today is the new rebirth of the Nexus One. The Future is near.
Windows Phone 7 for the Nexus One is up for grabs for any developer who thinks they can handle this feat.
I have built a sister thread to this in the Evo 4g Development site.
Further down is some information of our progress.
We have a small team working on the Evo 4g but we need more people to help work on this for the Nexus One. Think of this as CM7 but instead of AOSP - WP7
EVO
miphonematt said:
I think I have some sort of structure now. It's insanely buggy. It fails ALMOST immediately. At least it sort of tries to boot WP7... sort of. I still have quite a bit of research and trial and error still to come, but I believe I'm on to something where before I really felt like I was stabbing in the dark. Trap the errors, trap the errors, trap the errors and debuuuuuuuug.
I think I might be going insane haha.......I look forward to the day that I have something worth posting......so shut down....naysayers. We're still a ways from that day still unfortunately.
[.....]My apprearances may be scarce for the next 4 days.......I'll be back for certain.
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Opening up a Nexus One thread.
wow holy revers kirfing batman they beat us to it
KIRF=keeping it real fake lol
apocali3
So yeah This is the thread for the Project 7 Evo(Temp. name.) we are currently calling this a Project. We must be patient. This will take several months to complete.
so vote on the Poll what you are wanting to run on your EVO
vote this thread also to be on the front page.
Windows Phone 7 on the HTC EVO 4G, imagine the possibilities
Development so far
Myn(developer)
miphonematt (developer)
Lui22(tester[if the team agrees on it])
PEOPLE WHOM MIGHT BE A GREAT CONTRIBUTOR
Echoside(maybe)
.....
The list will grow
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I'd also like to level set with all the folks that are anxious to get WP7 on their EVO. I guarantee you that this is at least 60 days out until it is safe enough for anyone other than the dev(s) to test/flash.
We should add the word "Project" to the Subject of this thread. We should also add the rule "Do Not Ask for an ETA" in Bold, All Caps, bright red text. That is by far one of The Most irritating things to a dev, and I've known it to cause devs to not post progress updates. That is the number 1 rule of etiquette for projects like this. I hope everyone in this thread can understand and respect that.
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overground; said:
We allow these, but do not heavily moderate them. If things turn sour, most we're going to do is close the thread. I recently closed and subsequently reopened one of these....kinda the same policy as the MP...hands off / donator beware.
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Overground is also a Sr. Mod. Please do NOT report a bounty thread unless there are flames or someone has been scammed. Other than that, we'll keep a close eye on it.
Nuff said. The moderators.
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Dear Devs,
We thank you for your service. We thank you for all the new roms that make our devices unique. We thank you for the apps that you built for us, that make our phones ours not the companies. Because of you we can express our individuality.
With that being said, we ask one more thing from you. We ask you to take our devices to the next level. We ask you to push the borders once again. Let us all come together and create a TRULY COMMUNITY BUILT PORT of WP7 for our devices. A difficult feat none the less, but we can do it, TOGETHER.
Personally I think we can build this project to rival Cyanogen mod, rival not in our perice of software is better then yours but in that the amount of community members and, contributions of sofware, are friendyer and more together. Rivals and friends at the same time.
This is an open bounty for any team of developers that can get a working port of WP7 that boots and can at least have Wi-Fi working.

Reserved for Rules
1. No negative remarks
2. Our Purpose here is to help eachother so lets do that.
3. No Gloating.
4. No saying negative remarks about other devs, or community members.
5. Pressing the "Thanks" button every time someone finds something is greatly encouraged.
6. STAY ON TOPIC!!!!
7. Only dev teams can mention anything about license.
8. DO NOT ASK FOR ETA's remember this is a project no guarentee of complete succes....., as of yet
9. Just because you can post does not mean you should do it. Post things that are of some worth to the project

You guys are doing great job. Keep it up. We are waiting for the final release. Thanks

Great job man. Keep it up

Great job man!
Keep it up
make our Nexus One more fun

Keep up the good work , a dual booting nexus one is a good idea !

it's really nice,good job

Cool
Wow, this project is awesome I hope this will be the remark of nexus one's revival

we need more devs please step up

Thread moved, as there is no active development going on in the thread. Once there is actual development happening in the thread, PM me, and I'll move it.

Seems like you've got a really neat project on your hands but your rules post comes off as really entitled and arrogant. Good luck with your work.

I'm pretty excited by this! Just the kind of thing to breathe some new life into my N1. The dual-boot option, if feasible, sounds like a really neat idea.

Hi. Just wondering, has there been any movement since? Thanks.

Wylker said:
your rules post comes off as really entitled and arrogant.
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what do you mean?

the project is paused until moar devs come up to the plate

Cyanogenmod 7 Development Thread - Take 2

DEVS! Would it be possible to use a FroYo Kernel for CM7 like the Droid X Developers did?
DON'T TROLL! IF YOU DO, THE MODS WILL SEE IT AND BAN YOU!
As we all know, the last Thread that involved CM7 Development for the Epic was closed because people got Off-Topic, so I decided to start this one just so we know where developing is going. This is just for those people who don't know how to read Github or don't want to check it every 3 seconds, and are okay with waiting a week for getting an update.
Please PLEASE PLEASE, DO NOT ASK FOR ETA'S! I know that someone will ask, but seriously. DO NOT ASK. It's annoying as hell. If the developers know when a release would happen, they'd tell us. Trust me, they would. But developing for our phone is difficult.
They can't Port something from the Vibrant or the Captivate because their GSM Phones and we're CDMA, meaning we use different signals or some crap like that. But I think it means that 3G and Calls and all of that would be hard to work on, not to mention 4G.
4G is an issue because it's something not many phones have, especially in the Galaxy S line. Remember that we're one of the original Galaxy S Phones, so we have it, and the Captivate, Vibrant, and Fascinate don't. This makes stuff even harder because then the developers have one more thing on their list to work on, that they never had before.
From what I saw last time, nullghost was trying to port the Nexus S 4G .35 Kernel. This is a Gingerbread Kernel. Remember that the Nexus S 4G is a STOCK GINGERBREAD phone, with no TouchWiz. The Kernel is just the thing that connects the software with the hardware, so this might also be hard because we have a keyboard and most other phones don't (I don't know if this really effects it, but from my prior experiences from Android, it does).
Lets say the Kernel gets Ported. The NS4G has 4G (no kidding). Don't quote me, but I think that'd get the camera working because obviously the camera is a piece of hardware, that should get 4G working because the the NS4G has it. GPS should probably work, although I'm sure that works if you use the GPS Status Method, and I'm not too sure about MMS and what the issue is with that.
Now, when I check Github, it appears as if the developers have stopped working? I mean, props to them for all they've done for us, but if I'm reading github properly, it seems as if they've taken a break (please correct me if I'm wrong).
Really. The only big problem we have is with people who won't stop asking for ETA's. Please, just don't ask. You'll cause more problems then you will help if you do get a reply.
And if anybody has any questions about the CM7-A4, feel free to ask them here. You should however check the closed Thread. It might be locked, but there's a reason it's not deleted, you can still read it, so please do.
Remember, no asking for ETA's. Just don't do it. Any questions, check the older Thread and in a few days or weeks what should be this Thread. Also check Github. No ETA's. Keep this on task, no gangster stuff. Kthnxbye.

Original Android <3ers! said:
DON'T TROLL! IF YOU DO, THE MODS WILL SEE IT AND BAN YOU!
As we all know, the last Thread that involved CM7 Development for the Epic was closed because people got Off-Topic, so I decided to start this one just so we know where developing is going. This is just for those people who don't know how to read Github or don't want to check it every 3 seconds, and are okay with waiting a week for getting an update.
Please PLEASE PLEASE, DO NOT ASK FOR ETA'S! I know that someone will ask, but seriously. DO NOT ASK. It's annoying as hell. If the developers know when a release would happen, they'd tell us. Trust me, they would. But developing for our phone is difficult.
They can't Port something from the Vibrant or the Captivate because their GSM Phones and we're CDMA, meaning we use different signals or some crap like that. But I think it means that 3G and Calls and all of that would be hard to work on, not to mention 4G.
4G is an issue because it's something not many phones have, especially in the Galaxy S line. Remember that we're one of the original Galaxy S Phones, so we have it, and the Captivate, Vibrant, and Fascinate don't. This makes stuff even harder because then the developers have one more thing on their list to work on, that they never had before.
From what I saw last time, nullghost was trying to port the Nexus S 4G .35 Kernel. This is a Gingerbread Kernel. Remember that the Nexus S 4G is a STOCK GINGERBREAD phone, with no TouchWiz. The Kernel is just the thing that connects the software with the hardware, so this might also be hard because we have a keyboard and most other phones don't (I don't know if this really effects it, but from my prior experiences from Android, it does).
Lets say the Kernel gets Ported. The NS4G has 4G (no kidding). Don't quote me, but I think that'd get the camera working because obviously the camera is a piece of hardware, that should get 4G working because the the NS4G has it. GPS should probably work, although I'm sure that works if you use the GPS Status Method, and I'm not too sure about MMS and what the issue is with that.
Now, when I check Github, it appears as if the developers have stopped working? I mean, props to them for all they've done for us, but if I'm reading github properly, it seems as if they've taken a break (please correct me if I'm wrong).
Really. The only big problem we have is with people who won't stop asking for ETA's. Please, just don't ask. You'll cause more problems then you will help if you do get a reply.
And if anybody has any questions about the CM7-A4, feel free to ask them here. You should however check the closed Thread. It might be locked, but there's a reason it's not deleted, you can still read it, so please do.
Remember, no asking for ETA's. Just don't do it. Any questions, check the older Thread and in a few days or weeks what should be this Thread. Also check Github. No ETA's. Keep this on task, no gangster stuff. Kthnxbye.
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i disagree with the dont ask about ETA.
I think that if you announce that you are working on something then people have a right to ask for an eta.
People should be informed as to what is going on both good and bad...
While it can get to be like are we their yet thing... but then i would say you should have never announced something to begin with.

There's a reason I made that rule. If you look at every other CM7 Thread for the Epic, their closed because of ETA's. Don't even attempt to question what I have posted, it's based on fact.

daddy_droid said:
i disagree with the dont ask about ETA.
I think that if you announce that you are working on something then people have a right to ask for an eta.
People should be informed as to what is going on both good and bad...
While it can get to be like are we their yet thing... but then i would say you should have never announced something to begin with.
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In other news....
I heard the Droid X has Cyanogenmod mostly working with it's stock 2.2 kernel. I wonder what all the Droid X devs had to do to make it work.
With the 2.3 kernel source being so close to fruition, it probably isn't worth it to give their method a try but if samsung can't get gingerbread working in the next couple of months it might be worth a shot.

And queue take 3... omfg, when will people learn, this is not to debate ETA.

Original Android <3ers! said:
There's a reason I made that rule. If you look at every other CM7 Thread for the Epic, their closed because of ETA's. Don't even attempt to question what I have posted, it's based on fact.
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really not allowed to talk about that? Since when can someone else take away my free speech rights to ask when something is gonna to be released? If you dont want to answer a question for eta then just dont reply to it. After all no one is making you reply to anything.

If you HAVE NOTHING TO SHARE DONT POST IN DEVELOPMENT.

I'm trying to be honest with you and save you from being flamed. Did you even read the first post? The devs don't have the kernel source for the Epic 2.3.3 or beyond, nor do they have it for the Nexus S 4G, so until then, they have to stop developing because they cannot do ANYTHING without it. So an answer to an ETA is never.

lynyrd65 said:
In other news....
I heard the Droid X has Cyanogenmod mostly working with it's stock 2.2 kernel. I wonder what all the Droid X devs had to do to make it work.
With the 2.3 kernel source being so close to fruition, it probably isn't worth it to give their method a try but if samsung can't get gingerbread working in the next couple of months it might be worth a shot.
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I think this would be a good idea while we wait for the Kernel source actually...

nullghost mentioned that CM6 would be in the same state as CM 7. Idk why, but yea.

No no, we're saying use the FroYo Kernel for CM7!

Original Android <3ers! said:
No no, we're saying use the FroYo Kernel for CM7!
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Oh damn it, reading comprehension! My bad, my bad, continue the thread. Devs: could this also be possible?

Darkshneider said:
Oh damn it, reading comprehension! My bad, my bad, continue the thread. Devs: could this also be possible?
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No.
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Original Android <3ers! said:
No no, we're saying use the FroYo Kernel for CM7!
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Fail. We've attempted this. A lot of the updated proprietary modules from gb and necessary for gb require updated kernel drivers which are present in .35 and would require more work to backport than what we're doing now.
We also do have NS4G source, we kanged everything we could from it.
We are lacking proper regulator sauce along with the branched victory gpio assignments which we can only fire blanks at right now since they have a completely new naming scheme in the aries(.35) tree.
If you want to know why these threads are closed, it's because I send requests that they be closed.
Why?
Because the participants in the threads usually spend more time speculating about possible scenarios rather than reading or asking 'good' questions.
In short, we're waiting on .35 release; then we'll either A) merge the victory bits to the unified aries tree or B) merge cm specific bits from aries to our victory sauce.
That's that.

The reason being? I dont get how theres source for 2.2 and we cant get CM6, how would 2.3 source help us get CM7 working?
And I got my answer while typing because of Deca. Thnx!

Decad3nce said:
Fail. We've attempted this. A lot of the updated proprietary modules from gb and necessary for gb require updated kernel drivers which are present in .35 and would require more work to backport than what we're doing now.
We also do have NS4G source, we kanged everything we could from it.
We are lacking proper regulator sauce along with the branched victory gpio assignments which we can only fire blanks at right now since they have a completely new naming scheme in the aries(.35) tree.
If you want to know why these threads are closed, it's because I send requests that they be closed.
Why?
Because the participants in the threads usually spend more time speculating about possible scenarios rather than reading or asking 'good' questions.
In short, we're waiting on .35 release; then we'll either A) merge the victory bits to the unified aries tree or B) merge cm specific bits from aries to our victory sauce.
That's that.
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So you don't like me?

Original Android <3ers! said:
So you don't like me?
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I don't mind you, your motives are good, but this environment fosters redundant and pointless poo flingin'. Which usually leads to us responding with the same information, over and over.

Original Android <3ers! said:
So you don't like me?
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Great way to lose another Dev.
Remember Konane? I really liked him. It's such a pitty.
Decadence, I appreciate your hard work. I'm sorry for causing this. I know you have done what you can and are working as hard as is possible, please don't be deterred by these threads. Some of us really do appreciate your work.

lynyrd65 said:
Great way to lose another Dev. Remember Konane? I really liked him. It's such a pitty.
Decadence, I appreciate your hard work. I'm sorry for causing this. I know you have done what you can and are working as hard as is possible, please don't be deterred by these threads. Some of us really do appreciate your work.
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I'm not deterred. Far from it. Maybe bored since I only have one summer class and way too much free time to stare at proprietary bits :|

Decad3nce said:
I'm not deterred. Far from it. Maybe bored since I only have one summer class and way too much free time to stare at proprietary bits :|
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Developers tend to support developers.
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