Self Destructive "Terminator" Korean Technology? Is that true? - Galaxy Tab General

This is my own perseption or opinion but you are not likely to find very lasting long surviving Korean items including Samsung. I belive that all Korean products will start developing issues after a certain time or a few certain years and you will be either forced to discard or throw away those items or buy a new one and I have strong doubts including Samsung. They somehow stuff a termination clock, a tickling timebomb somehow somwhere in thousanrds of electronics parts and specifically clock ICs which on a certain futute date will stop functioning or start develping issues or report technical problems after a while. This will be a top secret which will diffrentiate Korean/Chinese products from Japanese ones or in other words, blind quest to copy cat west or to somehow rob west of money? Or is this a business strategy almost not discussed anywhere by any comapny, a sort of 'open' business secret like Ebay keeps it's HQ in Switzerland despite being 100% US company to circumvate taxation laws.. but how many people have been cheated and lost money on those sites? Is this the reason why so many cheates are allowed on Ebay to rob people?
Somehing like HAL in A Spece Oddesy 2001? I have observed this many Korean products, all are copy cat concepts, never live to hype, never supported once out and aimed at getting more and more westerenrs hooked to Korean?

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you are paranoid

One of my friends said that a few years ago as well. Then again my old samsung sgh-e900 still works (exept its flat and i have lost the charger)
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mmbika said:
This is my own perseption or opinion but you are not likely to find very lasting long surviving Korean items including Samsung. I belive that all Korean products will start developing issues after a certain time or a few certain years and you will be either forced to discard or throw away those items or buy a new one and I have strong doubts including Samsung. They somehow stuff a termination clock, a tickling timebomb somehow somwhere in thousanrds of electronics parts and specifically clock ICs which on a certain futute date will stop functioning or start develping issues or report technical problems after a while. This will be a top secret which will diffrentiate Korean/Chinese products from Japanese ones or in other words, blind quest to copy cat west or to somehow rob west of money? Or is this a business strategy almost not discussed anywhere by any comapny, a sort of 'open' business secret like Ebay keeps it's HQ in Switzerland despite being 100% US company to circumvate taxation laws.. but how many people have been cheated and lost money on those sites? Is this the reason why so many cheates are allowed on Ebay to rob people?
Somehing like HAL in A Spece Oddesy 2001? I have observed this many Korean products, all are copy cat concepts, never live to hype, never supported once out and aimed at getting more and more westerenrs hooked to Korean?
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i would probably believe this if you changed the aformentioned items from china XD hehehehehe XD because if you bought china products you're like buying from a lottery it's either hit or miss XD hahahahahahaha XD

besides the sgt I had a Samsung mp3 player once. after a year of use it did look like 5 years old. since 1,5 years I have a ipod touch and it still is in good shape, though i've thrown it down about 30 times.
once my mum told me, she had read that there are extra engineers to ensure that a product breaks after a given time.
I don't really believed it, but who knows.
Half a century ago one bought a product and it simply lasted forever. now you buy something and you can be lucky if you have it for a few years.
maybe this is also caused by the always smaller getting parts they use in the devices? could imagine they always get smaller and also easier to break.
I wouldn't point to the Koreans or the Chinese or any country for making easy breakable devices.
it are the companies that engineer and produce the devices. they are the only ones to blame for bad engineering.
btw: Mercedes for example isn't that what it once was either. nowadays it simply doesn't pay out to manufacture devices that last forever.
its sad, but its true.

mmbika said:
Somehing like HAL in A Spece Oddesy 2001? I have observed this many Korean products, all are copy cat concepts, never live to hype, never supported once out and aimed at getting more and more westerenrs hooked to Korean?
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You are not paranoid, this is 100% true. But that timebomb is really random so batches of equipment wont show that they break down together. It is happening though.
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sedde said:
You are not paranoid, this is 100% true. But that timebomb is really random so batches of equipment wont show that they break down together. It is happening though.
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Sent from your Samsung Galaxy Tab lol

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This really does put this thread to an end
But back on topic;
A) I forgot which forum it was, this point was about this being in development, which I now realised it isn't. Invalid point.
B) Trolololol, this has made my day. Is there any truely documented evidence proving this or is it your own experience. All tehcnology will die at some point, so technically everything is a 'ticking timebomb'
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From "The Age" of Today, 31/March/2011 (posted from website)
"Samsung laptops shipping with secret spyware: report Ben Grubb
March 31, 2011 - 2:19PM
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Samsung laptop model R525. Photo: Supplied
Samsung is reportedly installing secret spyware software on its laptops that monitors and records users' activity - including their keystrokes - without their consent.
And the company, even after being given a week to respond to the allegation, has not done so. Separately, comment is being sought from Samsung Australia by Fairfax.
However, Samsung spokesman Jason Redmond told PC World that the company was looking into the allegations. "We take these claims very, very seriously," he was reported as saying.
IT publication Network Wold reported that Mohamed Hassan, founder of NetSec Consulting Corp, a firm that specialises in information security consulting services, detected the secret software on a laptop he purchased from Samsung in February.
Security expert Chester Wisniewski, of security firm Sophos, said in a blog post that what Samsung had allegedly done was "astonishing".
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Samsung laptop model R540. Photo: Supplied
"After the massive uproar that resulted when Sony installed rootkits on peoples computers when they listened to an audio CD, you would hope the world would realise this type of behaviour is totally unacceptable," he said.
When setting up the laptop (model R525), Mr Hassan decided to run a security program on it and run a full system scan before installing any of his own software, the report said. In doing so, it said he detected a secret program called “StarLogger” installed.
Typically known as spyware, the secret software installed on Mr Hassan’s computer is described by one website as being able to record “every keystroke made on your computer on every window, even on password protected boxes”. It goes on to say that the software is “completely undetectable and starts up whenever your computer starts up”.
After analysing the laptop, Mr Hassan came to the conclusion that the spyware must have been installed by Samsung, and so he removed it and carried on using it normally, the report said. But after some issues with the video display, he returned it and bought another model which had better features (model R540).
After doing the same security software scan on that laptop, the report said Mr Hassan again found the same secret software installed. This time he thought something was suss, and so raised the issue with Samsung.
After denying the presence of the software on its laptops, Samsung allegedly changed its story and referred Mr Hassan to Microsoft since “all Samsung did was to manufacture the hardware”.
But after the incident was escalated to a supervisor, Mr Hassan claims that they told him that they put the software on their laptops to "monitor the performance of the machine and to find out how it is being used”.
Network World said it contacted three public relations officers at Samsung for comment and gave them a week to send back their comments. “No one from the company replied,” it said.
Do you know more? [email protected]
This reporter is on Twitter: @bengrubb"

Could be true, but I seriously doubt it.
Samsung say here that:
Our findings indicate that the person mentioned in the article used a security program called VIPRE [antivirus software] that mistook a folder created by Microsoft Live Application for ... key logging software, during a virus scan."
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Poorly written article though - if it was true, and this rootkit was "completely undetectable", you wouldn't have been able to detect it in the first place!
Regards,
Dave

sedde said:
You are not paranoid, this is 100% true. But that timebomb is really random so batches of equipment wont show that they break down together. It is happening though.
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Proof? If it's 100% true, where's the proof???
Think about what you are saying though: if this were true, all Samsung would be doing is lowering the MTBF (mean time between failures) for their devices, which is measurable and would give them a reputation for being unreliable.
The simple facts of the matter are these:
1. Devices are getting more complex. The corollary of this is that there is more to go wrong.
2. Costs are being driven down, and this is usually at the expense of quality.
By way of example, the last CRT TV I bought was nearly 20 years ago and was an early Phillips 32" widescreen TV. It was an absolute marvel at the time, and cost almost £2000. I used that TV until around 2004, when I replaced it with an LCD TV (cost about £1000), and gave the old set away to a friend - it is still going strong to this day, whereas my LCD TV gave up the ghost a couple of years ago, and has since been replaced by a bigger, better LCD TV that cost less than £500. I fully expect that CRT set to still be going when I buy my next TV!
Regards,
Dave

If you get your keystrokes read thats your own damn fault for using the preinstalled OS. With all that bloatware on those things, I'm surprised this hasn't happened earlier. Or maybe it has and we haven't noticed?
on topic: The reason devices fail is because when they are designed, the engineers are given design requirements. If these include designing it for a lifespan of 2 years (a bit much for a phone), they are not going to use materials that would make it last longer, as that would be outside of specification (and probably add to the cost). However if you treat the product very carefully, it will survive longer, and if you are careless as you were with your MP3 player that looks battered up like its 5 years old, don't be surprised if it doesn't reach design requirement. It wasn't built for that.

Here's Samsung's riposte to the key logging scandal!
http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/1071
If this is true, it really speaks volumes about the quality of the "security consultant" who raised the alarm!
So much for "analysing the laptop"!
Regards,
Dave

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The Official Story on 2.2 and FroYo from Andy Rubin (Flash!)

Engadget: Google's Andy Rubin talks Android and Apple, promises Flash support in Froyo
By Donald Melanson
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/27/...lks-android-and-apple-promises-flash-support/
Gather 'round, Android fans, because Google's Android boss Andy Rubin has done a wide-ranging interview with The New York Times, and we're guessing you're going to want to hear what he has to say.
The biggest news to come out of it is word that Android 2.2, a.k.a. Froyo, will come complete with full support for Flash, which is far and away the most official confirmation we've had to date, and slightly contradicts earlier talk that Flash support wouldn't necessarily be built into the OS. Why the change? Rubin says that sometimes being open "means not being militant about the things consumers are actually enjoying." On a similar note, Rubin also said that while he doesn't know when the number of Android phones sold would exceed the number of iPhones and BlackBerrys sold, he's "confident it will happen," adding that "open usually wins."
And the hits just keep on coming from there, with Rubin not so subtly working in a mention of North Korea after a discussion about Apple and closed computing platforms, before closing things out with the line: "with openness comes less secrets."
Hit up the source link below for the complete interview, in which Rubin also address the issue of Android fragmentation, and reveals that he does indeed own an iPad, but naturally has a few things to say about it.
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NY Times: Google’s Andy Rubin on Everything Android
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Andy Rubin, a vice president for engineering at Google, leads one of the search giant’s most important efforts—the development of Android, Google’s open source platform for smartphones and other mobile devices.
Android, of course, is Google’s primary weapon in its escalating battle with Apple over the smartphone market. Android currently runs on 9 percent of smartphones in the United States, according to Comscore.
It is also likely to be the company’s software choice for the emerging worlds of tablet computers and set-top boxes.
In a wide-ranging conversation on Google’s campus last week, Mr. Rubin talked about openness, support for Adobe Flash, Chrome, the upcoming Froyo release, and seemed to compare Apple to North Korea.
He predictably said that the Android platform was taking off because it was open to many manufacturers running many different architectures.
“It’s a numbers game. When you have multiple O.E.M.’s building multiple products in multiple product categories, it’s just a matter of time” before sales of Android phones exceed the sales of proprietary systems like Apple’s and R.I.M.’s, he said.
As to when the number of Android phones sold would exceed the number of BlackBerrys and iPhones sold, Mr. Rubin said, “I don’t know when its might be, but I’m confident it will happen. Open usually wins.”
I also asked him about the Apple chief executive Steve Jobs’s recent comment that “folks who want porn can buy an Android phone.”
“I don’t really have a rationale for that,” he said. “It’s a different style of interacting with the public and the media.”
Mr. Rubin also addressed many other topics — like whether consumers actually care if their mobile phone software is “open” or not. He insisted that they would, comparing closed computing platforms to totalitarian governments that deprived their citizens of choice. “When they can’t have something, people do care. Look at the way politics work. I just don’t want to live in North Korea,” he said.
When asked whether Android apps from Google might have an advantage over other companies’ apps in the Android Market, the discussion again seemed to implicitly veer toward Brand X.
“We use the same tools we expect our third-party developers to,” Mr. Rubin said. “We have an SDK we give to developers. and when we write our Gmail app, we use the same SDK. A lot of guys have private APIs. We don’t. That’s on policy and on technology. If there’s a secret API to hook into billing system we open up that billing system to third parties. If there’s a secret API to allow application multitasking, we open it up. There are no secret APIs. That is important to highlight for Android sake. Open is open and we live by our own implementations.”
He also promised that full support for Adobe’s Flash standard was coming in the next version of Android, code-named Froyo, for frozen yogurt (previous Android releases were called Cupcake, Donut and Eclair, and are represented outside Building 44 on the Google campus with giant sculptures of the desserts). Sometimes being open “means not being militant about the things consumer are actually enjoying,” he said.
Of the fear that Android could “fork” into various different versions, making it difficult for application developers to create one program for all Android devices, Mr. Rubin compared the platform with every other PC operating system.
These systems naturally evolve, causing newer applications to not be compatible with older devices. “But compatibility for us means more than it does for other people,” Mr. Rubin said. “We have to run on a screen the size of a phone and a 42-inch plasma display — and still be compatible. I think we have the world’s first moment where an app written for phone can run on TV.”
I also asked about how Google was viewing its Android and Chrome operating systems – and which was the company’s preferred software for devices like tablet computers. He said the two platforms represented two different ambitions at Google – improving access to information on mobile phones, in the case of Android, and pushing forward the open Web in the case of the Chrome operating system.
The efforts are not necessarily mutually exclusive, Mr. Rubin said. “I don’t know if there will be Chrome and Android tablets, but if a consumer walks into store and two of those tablets are my company’s choices, I’m all good.”
Mr. Rubin said he owned an iPad; he purchased one for his wife. He said that such tablets should have traction among “a certain demographic that consumes more than produces,” but that they will likely eat into laptop sales, instead of creating an additional market. “I don’t think people want to charge another device,” he said.
At the end of the hourlong chat, I joked with Mr. Rubin that his press relations colleague, who was in the room, wanted to confess that he had left a prototype Android phone at a local bar.
“I’d be happy if that happened and someone wrote about it,” Mr. Rubin said. “With openness comes less secrets.”
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Exciting times for Android!!!
Always with the good info Paul =]
Cannot wait for Froyo to come. Hopefully it helps the developers having an equal playing field for everyone so they can focus on 2.2 across the board...
Flash is just a wonderful bonus!
"Android currently runs on 9 percent of smartphones in the United States, according to Comscore."
That seems kinda low but with all of these beautiful android phones currently on the market, its about to greatly go up.
yum frozen yogurt.. =)
The biggest news to come out of it is word that Android 2.2, a.k.a. Froyo, will come complete with full support for Flash, which is far and away the most official confirmation we've had to date, and slightly contradicts earlier talk that Flash support wouldn't necessarily be built into the OS.
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My question is, how will the licencing of Flash work? Will all the custom ROM builders be forbidden from distributing it? It'll be interesting to see if EVERY android device will get it or only licensed devices do, like Exchange support.
I like being able to use Flash, but I don't like the proprietary nature of it and I really don't like Adobe.
PrawnPoBoy said:
My question is, how will the licencing of Flash work? Will all the custom ROM builders be forbidden from distributing it? It'll be interesting to see if EVERY android device will get it or only licensed devices do, like Exchange support.
I like being able to use Flash, but I don't like the proprietary nature of it and I really don't like Adobe.
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I thought Adobe makes their flash players 100% free? Not just free to use, but free of any restrictions on how you apply them to your devices, etc.
Also, as for the 9% comment, that is because there are many years of other devices still floating around and in use, so while they might be kicking butt in terms of sales, they have a long ways to catch up, which will come in time.
I'm giddy. Frozen yogurt sounds delicious.
I saw this hours ago paul but I figured I better let you do it or I would face certain chastisment over the lack of amenities like highlighted text lol
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I saw this hours ago paul but I figured I better let you do it or I would face certain chastisment over the lack of amenities like highlighted text lol
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LoL love the previous thread where Paul was giving you hell about not posting a link/highlighting text and you just replied "well I knew you were just going to come after and do a better job anyways"
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I saw this hours ago paul but I figured I better let you do it or I would face certain chastisment over the lack of amenities like highlighted text lol
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good stuff.
ChillRays said:
"Android currently runs on 9 percent of smartphones in the United States, according to Comscore."
That seems kinda low but with all of these beautiful android phones currently on the market, its about to greatly go up.
yum frozen yogurt.. =)
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Although Android the Apple are the hottest things in the mobile world right now it will still take many years for a market turnover, it's not going to happen over night. Remember, despite sucking it up for the last few years, Nokia still has about 47% of the global smartphone market share.
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I saw this hours ago paul but I figured I better let you do it or I would face certain chastisment over the lack of amenities like highlighted text lol
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LOL!!! Yeah, pet peeve of mine, when people post quotes but no link, so then it sounds like BS haha
pjcforpres said:
I thought Adobe makes their flash players 100% free? Not just free to use, but free of any restrictions on how you apply them to your devices, etc.
Also, as for the 9% comment, that is because there are many years of other devices still floating around and in use, so while they might be kicking butt in terms of sales, they have a long ways to catch up, which will come in time.
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I'm sure Flash will be "open" in some respect of the term, or there's no way Google would be considering it.
Either way, the first person to ever get the Flash apk will post it and it'll spread like wildfire anyhow
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Although Android the Apple are the hottest things in the mobile world right now it will still take many years for a market turnover, it's not going to happen over night. Remember, despite sucking it up for the last few years, Nokia still has about 47% of the global smartphone market share.
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Even today Nokia will sell more phones in a day, than Apple will sell in a month.
(previous Android releases were called Cupcake, Donut and Eclair, and are represented outside Building 44 on the Google campus with giant sculptures of the desserts)
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Hahaha! Awesome! MAN I wish I worked there!
At the end of the hourlong chat, I joked with Mr. Rubin that his press relations colleague, who was in the room, wanted to confess that he had left a prototype Android phone at a local bar.
“I’d be happy if that happened and someone wrote about it,” Mr. Rubin said. “With openness comes less secrets.”
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And that, my friends, is it. Beats apple's policy of intentionally "giving" a device to an editor and then filing a criminal suit against him, having him arrested. Freaking morons.
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And that, my friends, is it. Beats apple's policy of intentionally "giving" a device to an editor and then filing a criminal suit against him, having him arrested. Freaking morons.
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Events like Apple's reaction to the Gizmodo make me real happy I decided to switch from a 3gs to a Nexus One. What an evil Nazi company...
Steve Jobs actions give organ donation a bad name
^^ You two do realize that Apple might not have anything to do with what the police are doing?
Gizmodo blatantly admitted to paying for at that moment became stolen property. Was most likely a cop reading Tech sites that got the whole thing rolling
^^ You two do realize that Apple might not have anything to do with what the police are doing?
Gizmodo blatantly admitted to paying for at that moment became stolen property. Was most likely a cop reading Tech sites that got the whole thing rolling
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Umm... no. If you were up to date on your news you'd know Apple contacted the Police.
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^^ You two do realize that Apple might not have anything to do with what the police are doing?
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Don't be naive, my friend. When billions of $$ in profit are at stake, of course apple is involved. Follow the money trail.
It's also kinda funny and sad at the same time to see how bitter Steve Jobs is: "folks who want porn can buy an Android phone.” - where the hell did that come from? Completely unsupported and sounds like a childish rebound (android market doesn't allow adult content).
Is Jobs worried about a competing smartphone OS that is activating at a rate of 50,000 a day? You bet. Is he notoriously stubborn and mercurial? Sure. Known to talk out his ass? Yep. I'm guessing the "where the hell did that come from?" is more retorical in nature.

Maybe we should organize a boycott of the Galaxy Tab

I apologize for making another "I'm mad at Samsung for..." thread, but after trying for the past hours to get the JI5 update and failing, I'm a bit angrier than I usually am and want to hurt Samsung somewhere where they will feel it while not going to extremes like trying to organize a class action suit.
Ever since the Galaxy S line came out they really haven't done much to support it except release 3 buggy updates for three of the phones and completely ignore the one that's been out in the States for the longest (until the "made you look" event of today), yet they're so eager to show off that Galaxy Tab that they want everyone to be interested in and buy next month. I suggest simply spreading the word to everyone that no one should but that thing until they at least get their house in order and get the Galaxy S line up to the basic functionality they should have had out of the box. Spread the word that they apparently can't support the products they release and that nobody should touch those things until they can prove they are going to stand behind the products they want us to spend our hard earned money on.
Before some of you start flaming me, I do very well know this is a forum for people who mod their phones and have no intention of staying stock. I mod my phones too. Even with the fixes I've flashed I still have issues with GPS and the phone resetting. I appreciate everything the community has done to help make these phones better and I whole heartedly thank them for doing so, but at the same time there's a whole company with a division of people getting paid to do this that hasn't been able to supply us with one good fix after nearly 3 months time. It's time we should make every potential customer aware of that.
I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.
That's understandable, personally I could care less about being able to make calls on tablet. It's not like you would be able to take calls on both your cell phone and the tablet. And I sure wouldn't care for having another phone number.
I love my iPad btw!
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I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.
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Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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To be honest I am not surprised they are disabling the calling feature. In fact I would be surprised if they didn't.
I mean I for one wouldn't want to stop using my vibrant to use that giant tablet.
Also no matter what it will have wifi so it can be more like a laptop on the go and playing games on it will be awesome from the looks of it.
Well if they are just disabling the feature then that means the hardware to make calls is still built in so someone could root it and make calls anyway. But I'm still not getting one cause it'll be just like my phone. Tablets are a median of a phone and a notebook but nowadays the Ipad is the best out.
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Can't say I'm feeling pouty and petulant about Samsung in general, but I crossed four Tabs off my Xmas list when they announced the phone functionality was disabled.
As for the frequent comments about the Tab being too large to use as a phone, I use my phone as a speakerphone most of the time, and Bluetooth headsets put the final nail in the coffin for that argument.
I really doubt the S Tab will sell much anyway.
Smaller screen than the iPad, lower resolution, considerably worse battery life, for almost the same price....
Plus, given our experience with Samsung, it will probably not be upgraded to Gingerbread, which according to Google is the first version of Android actually meant for tablets.
Who in their right mind will buy the Tab?
What made me mad is they have more accessories slated for that thing than the very phones they already have out.
Docks, keyboards and all kinds of goodies. Oh yeah they all plug into the bottom of the Tab not the top like our retarded phones.
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Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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Exactly!
Since it's functionally crippled compared to it's European counterpart I don't plan on carrying one around.
It's an interesting device, and will probably have a modicum of success, but the deliberate lockdown of an existing feature is one that makes me uninterested in it.
Given that it's carrier unsubsidized pricing internationally is likely going to make it more expensive than the iPad, if I were to develop an interest in an Android tablet/mid that didn't support phone functions, I'd just SPEND LESS MONEY on a comparable 7" tablet that doesn't have phone functions. There are several...
Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.
demo23019 said:
Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.
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I can make everything in an app support that higher res, and I font even consider myself a dev... More of a file mover.. But there are tutorials and some apps are already compatible...
Remember when donut and froyo came out not all apps were compatible.. Some apps dont work on donut now...
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WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.
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WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.
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Dude, you are drawn to these threads like a fly is to sh!t!
T-Mobile has its problems, but what about the rest of the companies carrying the Galaxy S? Have any released Froyo, or successful compass fixes?
No? Must be a worldwide carrier conspiracy to make Samsung look bad, by delaying fixes and OS upgrades.....
No, Samsung's track records with product support just sucks. That's why some are pissed.
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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?
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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?
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Nice troll, since I don't believe you are actually as stupid as you're trying to get us to believe.
No, we're all pissed off about Samsung's crappy support. I bought a phone with a GPS built in. I can't use my GPS because it doesn't work.
A little fact which has been repeatedly explained to you. So either you choose to ignore it so you can troll more, or you have major issues with reading comprehension, take your pick.
And, as I said elsewhere, no one forced you to bring your fanboi self into this thread.
I'll hold out for MOTO or HTC
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That's great, let's organize a boycott of something that 99.9% of people have no plan to purchase in the first place. In other words, we're going to have to seek out people who want to buy the Tab and then dissuade them. Personally, I think I won't.
psshh, who is gonna buy that over sized phone anyway, too big for been a phone, too small for been a tablet

Interesting thread about Bell Vibrant issues

I guess following thread is a very good example of how civilized people deal with issues. Samsung is in question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883820
May be we need to start campaign about Froyo/Gingerbread using same tactics?
That was promised and a lot of hardware were bought because of this. Time to hold promises!
It's a little bit to late (because some variants are already got/getting Froyo), but there is a chance consolidate across all variants.
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May be we need to start campaign about Froyo/Gingerbread using same tactics?
That was promised and a lot of hardware were bought because of this. Time to hold promises!
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That thread is because of real failures on the device, rendering them unusable. Sorry, but you're a fool if you purchased a device because it might get an update, it's not Samsung's fault.
I'm getting a bit frustrated waiting for this update because there are things popping up that require Froyo, but some of these comments/threads on a number of forums are just silly.
By all means, make yourself heard, but the lack of Froyo doesn't render the device unusable.
Verizon will give it to us when they are satisfied with the build. A 1960's hippie movement will not get it here any faster.
I am fine with 2.1 myself.
good day.
J Shed said:
That thread is because of real failures on the device, rendering them unusable. Sorry, but you're a fool if you purchased a device because it might get an update, it's not Samsung's fault.
I'm getting a bit frustrated waiting for this update because there are things popping up that require Froyo, but some of these comments/threads on a number of forums are just silly.
By all means, make yourself heard, but the lack of Froyo doesn't render the device unusable.
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My phone USB failed few days ago. I have thread here, trying to get additional information if others have similar problems. That said VZ already send another one for free. I do not know yet if it is new or refarb.
What I think is that, promise is what it is. I didn't pushed them to promise anything. But, getting normal support for device is something I've assumed at the time of purchase phone + dock + other crap. Would I know that everything is so slow, I might got another phone. I think I'm not alone here.
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My phone USB failed few days ago. I have thread here, trying to get additional information if others have similar problems. That said VZ already send another one for free. I do not know yet if it is new or refarb.
What I think is that, promise is what it is. I didn't pushed them to promise anything. But, getting normal support for device is something I've assumed at the time of purchase phone + dock + other crap. Would I know that everything is so slow, I might got another phone. I think I'm not alone here.
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They committed to releasing the update, they gave an estimated time frame for release, they didn't PROMISE anything. Froyo is coming, but the lack of it doesn't mean your phone doesn't work. Updates aren't normal support, they're updates. 2.2 is not required for the phone to function.
The funny thing is you're absolutely not alone (pretty sure I made that clear in my OP), it's just getting ridiculous some of the things people are demanding. It's not Samsung, nor Verizon's fault you purchased a device based on what it might be. That's your fault, period. I purchased this phone for what it was the day I got it, not for some dream land a few months down the road.
I feel about this a little bit differently, looking at the back of my phone dock. It has easy readable label saying that some functionality will be available when 2.2 update released. And it was promised SHORTLY. So shortly, that people found it OK to hold over 30 days grace period.
Overall I do not think it silly to expect something. I DO EXPECT that MS will patch Windows, Live etc. I DO EXPECT that HP, Dell and others update drivers. This practice exists for years now.
I do not know why it sounds funny when I expect that Samsung or VZ will fix GPS and other issues?
It is not that I'm screaming for update right now. But some clarity about situation will be greatly appreciated. Neither VZ nor Samsung didn't stepped down from their heights to inform us, mere mortals.
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A 1960's hippie movement will not get it here any faster.
good day.
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What if you ARE a 1960's hippie though?
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It is not that I'm screaming for update right now. But some clarity about situation will be greatly appreciated. Neither VZ nor Samsung didn't stepped down from their heights to inform us, mere mortals.
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This is fair, but can you name companies that do this? Unfortunately it's very rare.
They can't give you a set ETA (software is such that you can't give out fixed dates until it's done), nor can they really tell you what they're working on/why it's delayed (would you really understand if they did tell you?). The best they could tell you is "we're working on it," and unless you live in a cave (or subscribe to one of the ridiculous conspiracy theories), you already know that.
And again, YOU deciding to hang onto the dock is your fault, not Samsung's. At 29 days, you could've strolled into the VZW store, and returned it. And again, they will release Froyo for the Verizon Samsung Fascinate. If they do not, they will be in real legal trouble because suddenly, you'd have a case for a class action lawsuit because of your dock.
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This is fair, but can you name companies that do this? Unfortunately it's very rare.
They can't give you a set ETA (software is such that you can't give out fixed dates until it's done), nor can they really tell you what they're working on/why it's delayed (would you really understand if they did tell you?). The best they could tell you is "we're working on it," and unless you live in a cave (or subscribe to one of the ridiculous conspiracy theories), you already know that.
And again, YOU deciding to hang onto the dock is your fault, not Samsung's. At 29 days, you could've strolled into the VZW store, and returned it. And again, they will release Froyo for the Verizon Samsung Fascinate. If they do not, they will be in real legal trouble because suddenly, you'd have a case for a class action lawsuit because of your dock.
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Believe it or not, I'm in IT... And I tell you - there is always deadlines and dates are set in stone. Moreover, public beta will settle all worries. It is easy way to show to average public what company does and where it stays at the moment. That is how other companies handle same problems. MS with SP betas is good sample. Even secretive Apple does it!
I guess, we have a case for class action. I just wonder for how long we should wait before initiating it? As of now, we have a pretty good reason to believe that time for Froyo is gone, because Gingerbread is out and Samsung has it. Do you see my point?
As to return... Well, it not going to happen in the future. I'm going to stay away from Samsung products. Unfortunately I cannot leave VZ.
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Believe it or not, I'm in IT... And I tell you - there is always deadlines and dates are set in stone.
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"IT" and software development are not the same thing.
Public beta works with basic software, and even some OSes, not with phones. You release a public beta that has a bug that can brick your phone, and you're screwed. It's MUCH more difficult to fix a bricked phone than it is to fix a desktop that won't boot properly.
You don't have a case, yet. If Samsung fails to deliver 2.2, then you will, not until then.
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"IT" and software development are not the same thing.
Public beta works with basic software, and even some OSes, not with phones. You release a public beta that has a bug that can brick your phone, and you're screwed. It's MUCH more difficult to fix a bricked phone than it is to fix a desktop that won't boot properly.
You don't have a case, yet. If Samsung fails to deliver 2.2, then you will, not until then.
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No need to explain what exactly I do. It is development.
Go to Apple site and figure out how they deploy public betas for iOS. Nobody complains about broken phones. I never heard about this.
Hell!!! Film the video for youtube if not anything else! Show prototypes in the stores! Even this will be better then noting! Release official statement. Just do not sit like cat in the sand!
They simply are not willing to do anything, because they got their money already.
And could you please define "fails to deliver"? As far as I'm concerned they pretty much failed. Froyo was released and pulled off several times on other SGS phones. And they have Froyo on tab, which essentially same hardware. What is this?
Though I might consider it as showing progress ;-) Problem is that at such pace phone will physically pass out sooner then we get update.
Believe it or not, I am actually trying to get them into admitting that Froyo will not be released.
I got one rep who replied to say it, however, she doesn't know wtf she is talking about. Depending on their next few replies if whether I crack the email open and send it to the major blog sites.
I am trying to get someone who actually knows something to admit that 2.2 is not coming. We shall see. Past that, you are right, there is not a damn thing we can do until its determined that its NOT coming out.
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2.2 is not required for the phone to function.
It's not Samsung, nor Verizon's fault you purchased a device based on what it might be.
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Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who bought a cradle with a sticker on it saying "2.2 required for this to function".
Is that their fault they received a product which doesn't work as advertised, just to open the box up to a "gotch'ya!" sticker?
Is that somehow not Samsung nor Verizon's fault, too?
Sometimes I wonder how often people on here ever take responsibility, seeing as they are so quick to make excuses and attack those wronged. You would all do well in politics or customer service; Neither party holds anyone accountable for their false promises.
The problem is, until they admit that its not being released, they have us all on a technicality, that coming soon has no defined time frame. Leaked internal documents are likely not admissible in a lawsuit.
Its ****ty, its unethical, but it is what it is.
I am just as angry as well.
According the news, Samsung is going to introduce Galaxy S ancestor in Barcelona in February. So, I guess first Galaxy S lifespan is even shorter than I've expected. Sure, it is because was VZ was late to the game. Churning out new models at such pace doesn't leave time to support old ones.
Galaxy s is like lexus to toyota. It's just a line of phones from samsung which are high end.
Adrynalyne is right when he says that there is nothing that we can do but make them admit that nothing is coming out...
CNemo7539 said:
No need to explain what exactly I do. It is development.
Go to Apple site and figure out how they deploy public betas for iOS. Nobody complains about broken phones. I never heard about this.
Hell!!! Film the video for youtube if not anything else! Show prototypes in the stores! Even this will be better then noting! Release official statement. Just do not sit like cat in the sand!
They simply are not willing to do anything, because they got their money already.
And could you please define "fails to deliver"? As far as I'm concerned they pretty much failed. Froyo was released and pulled off several times on other SGS phones. And they have Froyo on tab, which essentially same hardware. What is this?
Though I might consider it as showing progress ;-) Problem is that at such pace phone will physically pass out sooner then we get update.
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Funny you mention apple, and then in the same breath you talk about making phones obsolete.
Apple and Samsung are apples and oranges (lol). Apple has ONE phone (3 if you want to count the og, 3g, and 3gs, but those are mostly obsolete), Samsung has at least 4 or 5 in the US alone. Each on different networks, and with differing software setups (bloatware). How again are they going to ensure they don't start ****ing **** up if they push a public beta? Trust me, I'd LOVE if they did that, but it's an unrealistic expectation.
And "fails to deliver" means it doesn't come, at all, ever, period. When they admit to freezing development and NOT releasing anything past 2.1, then everyone who purchased a dock has a case for a class action lawsuit.
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Tell that to the hundreds of thousands who bought a cradle with a sticker on it saying "2.2 required for this to function".
Is that their fault they received a product which doesn't work as advertised, just to open the box up to a "gotch'ya!" sticker?
Is that somehow not Samsung nor Verizon's fault, too?
Sometimes I wonder how often people on here ever take responsibility, seeing as they are so quick to make excuses and attack those wronged. You would all do well in politics or customer service; Neither party holds anyone accountable for their false promises.
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Don't talk to me about accountability when you are so eager to blame someone else for your failure to return a product you weren't satisfied with. It's also your fault you decided to wait it out for Froyo.
You chose to wait, that's on you. So now it's a matter of you waiting for them to release 2.2+, or them to admit they won't release it.
I'm not defending anyone, I'm just tired of the stupid crap I'm seeing from people over this update. I didn't buy that dock because I think it's a piece of crap, regardless of the fact the 3.5mm jack doesn't work (which, BTW, sounds like it's the ONLY thing not working, it charges the phone, displays the dock program).
RacerXFD said:
Galaxy s is like lexus to toyota. It's just a line of phones from samsung which are high end.
Adrynalyne is right when he says that there is nothing that we can do but make them admit that nothing is coming out...
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I guess we are getting away from the intended topic. This might be my fault, if I not expressed clearly.
If adrynalyne is talking to somebody at Samsung, would be nice if he can share that person contact. I guess idea is to have one single point of force application.
Even if that person is brainless office droid, he will have to report up at some point, if number and intensity of complaints is over some threshold.
Could we here formulate some collective message and start pushing it from different emails?
I'd just like to use the 3.5mm audio out on my dock, have map rotation gesture working in maps and get chrome to phone back; new gmail client would be a nice upgrade... Hopefully it will happen someday...
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The Lenovo U1, the only other hybrid on the market

The Lenovo U1, the only other hybrid on the market just got FCC approval. Now the tablet part has gone up for pre-order on several site. Quite a big deal due to the dock running windows!here
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This was the tablet I was looking at before I found the Asus (which is cheaper, and more the size I wanted anyway.. but Lenovo!!!).
Storage: 32GB
Memory:1GB
Camera:2.0MP Front, 5.0MP rear
Communications:802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth 2.1
Sound: 2 Speakers, .5 Watts
Ports:Micro SD card reader, Micro HDMI out, SIM card port, and a Multi-function connector
Tablet Weight: 1.65 lbs.
Pretty neat. The keyboard is a screen-less netbook running Windows... while the top is a Android tablet.
They both are kinda separate products that are just dockable together. I'm sure the IT world would love the keyboard as standalone for data racks and such.
It's an interesting concept, but it seems like the tablet basically only acts as a screen for the netbook, with separating processors and operating systems in tablet and netbooks modes.
That, for me, kills it. It negates the main advantage of having a shared device, which is that you have consistency of UI and software between both modes, and the battery life advantages of Android even when in netbook mode. This device will likely have typical Windows-based netbook battery life, which come nowhere close to challenging the Transformer, and you presumably won't be able to access your data from the tablet when you're in netbook mode except as a mounted device, or vice versa. (ie. you can't run the same programs in both modes.)
The only real advantage I can see is a slight reduction in weight and size over carrying a separate netbook and tablet, but with the added disadvantage that if the tablet fails, you lose the ability to use the netbook.
Now, if it could dual-boot Android or Windows when in netbook mode, or better still hot-swap between the two operating systems, well that'd be truly awesome.
Lenovo, as Chinese as they are, make some great, reliable laptops. I hope the U1 does well.
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Lenovo, as Chinese as they are, make some great, reliable laptops. I hope the U1 does well.
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Probably stolen technology.
Stolen from Always Innovating, but improved. You say it like stealing designs is a bad things, or an uncommon thing. Thank goodness for steals.
I agree with knoxploration, just sounds like a bad idea overall and will likely be expensive.
knoxploration said:
It's an interesting concept, but it seems like the tablet basically only acts as a screen for the netbook, with separating processors and operating systems in tablet and netbooks modes.
That, for me, kills it. It negates the main advantage of having a shared device, which is that you have consistency of UI and software between both modes, and the battery life advantages of Android even when in netbook mode. This device will likely have typical Windows-based netbook battery life, which come nowhere close to challenging the Transformer, and you presumably won't be able to access your data from the tablet when you're in netbook mode except as a mounted device, or vice versa. (ie. you can't run the same programs in both modes.)
The only real advantage I can see is a slight reduction in weight and size over carrying a separate netbook and tablet, but with the added disadvantage that if the tablet fails, you lose the ability to use the netbook.
Now, if it could dual-boot Android or Windows when in netbook mode, or better still hot-swap between the two operating systems, well that'd be truly awesome.
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Full of assumptions, most not true, not well researched.
asdfuogh said:
Stolen from Always Innovating, but improved. You say it like stealing designs is a bad things, or an uncommon thing. Thank goodness for steals.
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There are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of violating the law.
Would you say that murdering someone is the same level of law violation as speeding 10 mph over the speed limit? Of course not. Any dumbhead would know the difference.
Companies "steal" technology from each other all the time. I fully recognize this. But most US companies most of the time don't go as far as hacking into someone else's server to outright steal a design and then sell it as their own. What's more, they are not government sponsored stealing.
Chinese companies, however, regularly hack into American companies' systems to steal design. And please, don't tell me they're not Chinese government sponsored.
US companies actually pour money into research and development. I happen to be a researcher. Wow, you mean to say we actually research, develop, and test our own stuff instead of stealing from other people?
What's worse, the Chinese government along with other Asian communist governments never cooperate with internet crime law enforcement. That son of a ***** Vietnamese who hacked into Apple itune last July 4 is living comfortably with the millions he stole. We know who he is. We know his name, address, etc. But there's not a damn thing we can do about it because the Vietnamese government simply won't cooperate.
Again, there are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of law violation. The Chinese companies have obviously crossed the line many times.
As far as I know, greed is a concept embraced by all types of humans. If it can be done, I'd say that American companies do hack and steal designs.
I don't know how prevalent this is in China, but I'd say they wouldn't be any more or less greedy than their counterparts in other nations.
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There are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of violating the law.
Would you say that murdering someone is the same level of law violation as speeding 10 mph over the speed limit? Of course not. Any dumbhead would know the difference.
Companies "steal" technology from each other all the time. I fully recognize this. But most US companies most of the time don't go as far as hacking into someone else's server to outright steal a design and then sell it as their own. What's more, they are not government sponsored stealing.
Chinese companies, however, regularly hack into American companies' systems to steal design. And please, don't tell me they're not Chinese government sponsored.
US companies actually pour money into research and development. I happen to be a researcher. Wow, you mean to say we actually research, develop, and test our own stuff instead of stealing from other people?
What's worse, the Chinese government along with other Asian communist governments never cooperate with internet crime law enforcement. That son of a ***** Vietnamese who hacked into Apple itune last July 4 is living comfortably with the millions he stole. We know who he is. We know his name, address, etc. But there's not a damn thing we can do about it because the Vietnamese government simply won't cooperate.
Again, there are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of law violation. The Chinese companies have obviously crossed the line many times.
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Sigh @ your arrogant americans...you need to start realizing the Great United States of America is not the only country in this world....
Lenovo has always been a respectable brand, one of the best in this industry..
Next time before you criticise another person/country/government's wrongdoings, please look at yourself first.
Hey, I'm American, but I recognize that Lenovo is a respectable brand. Look, you might be a researcher, or you might not (this is the internet, after all..), but what you need to realize is that it's not usually the researchers (the real researchers who WANT to research and not make money; NOT a bash on you, just clarifying) who would steal designs. It's the moneymakers, the businessmen, the ones looking for some extra dough to cushion their arses.
By the way, I intern in a research lab so I know our government pours money in research. But I also happen to know that other nations do so as well, and probably put a lot more % of their funds into useful research.
Anyway, sorry to OP for hijacking his thread. Wouldn't it be awesome if Asus copied Lenovo here a little, maybe made the keyboard be its own individual computer as well? Probably would cost a lot more though.
Do your research. Lenovo is one of the best laptop makers inthe industry. Their designs are great... they better be... they bought them from IBM. As far as strength of design and hardware, i'll take a Thinkpad over anything else all other things being equal.
goodintentions said:
There are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of violating the law.
Would you say that murdering someone is the same level of law violation as speeding 10 mph over the speed limit? Of course not. Any dumbhead would know the difference.
Companies "steal" technology from each other all the time. I fully recognize this. But most US companies most of the time don't go as far as hacking into someone else's server to outright steal a design and then sell it as their own. What's more, they are not government sponsored stealing.
Chinese companies, however, regularly hack into American companies' systems to steal design. And please, don't tell me they're not Chinese government sponsored.
US companies actually pour money into research and development. I happen to be a researcher. Wow, you mean to say we actually research, develop, and test our own stuff instead of stealing from other people?
What's worse, the Chinese government along with other Asian communist governments never cooperate with internet crime law enforcement. That son of a ***** Vietnamese who hacked into Apple itune last July 4 is living comfortably with the millions he stole. We know who he is. We know his name, address, etc. But there's not a damn thing we can do about it because the Vietnamese government simply won't cooperate.
Again, there are varying levels of "stealing" technology just like there are varying levels of law violation. The Chinese companies have obviously crossed the line many times.
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Innovative.
magicpork said:
Sigh @ your arrogant americans...you need to start realizing the Great United States of America is not the only country in this world....
Lenovo has always been a respectable brand, one of the best in this industry..
Next time before you criticise another person/country/government's wrongdoings, please look at yourself first.
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I never said the US is the only country that does innovate. At the same time, we don't come out with the iped devices either. Chinese companies are notorious for mimicking and shamelessly produce fake crap. And since their government aren't willing to do anything about it, boycott is the only thing we can do.
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Hey, I'm American, but I recognize that Lenovo is a respectable brand. Look, you might be a researcher, or you might not...
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ok, then think of me as someone who works at mcdonalds. Doesn't matter. My criticism of chinese companies still stands on their own. My mistake for mentioning what I do.
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I never said the US is the only country that does innovate. At the same time, we don't come out with the iped devices either. Chinese companies are notorious for mimicking and shamelessly produce fake crap. And since their government aren't willing to do anything about it, boycott is the only thing we can do.
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You may argue all you want, but everything you wear, use in your everyday life or see around is very likely produced in China or somewhere nearby (Taiwan, Hong Kong - if we still consider it being not China, Malaysia, Philippines, Cambodia, Lao, Thailand, Indonesia).
Get to live with it, it's an obvious thing to happen in a world where in some parts of it people work for $10 a month and consider themselves happy.
Anyways, from Eastern European point of view, Lenovo is a respectable brand which has been successful with quite some products on the market. From what I could see, their support/service is also pretty decent.
That being said, I don't plan on exchanging my TF for this Lenovo (or for any other model) for quite a while.
I expect we'll see some arguments about non-US countries not protecting workers and stuff.
(Of course, the problem is that the government keeps protecting its own industries, and the industries get babied and don't feel the need to improve.)

Goodbye ASUS and Android

No more ASUS for me
Never posted before, but what a silly post. Perhaps Microsoft should not develop any further versions of windows as it will 'harm' their past users? Perhaps no-one should develop any new technology as some will be left behind, perhaps we should have stuck to bows and arrows? It is well known that Android is a more fragmented eco system than Apple. Perhaps you should have thought about this more and researched your purchase a little better. You sound more suited to Apple quite honestly, fanboy in the making.
Meh. Whatever. Have fun with Apple. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Yes, i opened the thread believing it contained something positive regarding Asus and Google. Instead i was rewarded with petty drivel.
If you're looking for somebody to talk you out of it (which you must be, you wouldn't have made a post otherwise), don't bother looking. We don't need you to stay. Go ahead and jump.
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just lou said:
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Lol...funny i was thinking something similar. Funny thread.
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to me the TF was a "good buy"
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to me the TF was a "good buy"
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had to thank that 1 lol
i love my TF ICS or not
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
I find it funny about his complaints of Asus/Android. It's not a flaw of Android by any means.
Should Android stop releasing operating systems? No! They have nothing to do with hardware. Their goal is to develop competent software with reasonable releases, and they do that.
This intermediate time of merging the software onto the hardware? Yes, it is annoying, but it's expected. Android releases their software at the same time to EVERYONE. It takes time to develop the OS for a product. This time exists in Apple products as well most likely, but Apple has the fortunate benefit of not releasing the software until AFTER it has been fitted for the limited number of devices they control, because they are both a hardware AND software company.
Give it time. ICS will be here eventually. I'm patient. In the meantime, I will keep running paulbrennan's build and enjoy what we already have.
2011CorvetteZR1 said:
I, for one, have had enough with Android and Google. Android/Google are forever building new versions of code that manufacturing companies can not keep up with.
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And what do you think, other developers do what? Apple does the same (no wonder the old iPhones aren't supported by iOS4 and 5), just like Microsoft, Samsung, Nokia, etcetera.
New codebase is the key to the future - with new functions built in, it can be a more widespread generic base, where manufacturers have less to modify to make their own taste. And manufacturers aren't able to keep up? Seriously, if they only made a device tree, and sent it to Cyanogen Team with a few test devices, they'd have more profit than ever. They could keep up, and they are not willing to do so because then the newer devices wouldn't sell. Just like Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, etc.
Manufacturer's are not going to spend profits on older products, they already got your money! Why is Google forever coming up with new versions? Android is in developement and always trying to be like Apple. I am an android developer and thought I would be happy with developing for 50% of the market users. 50% of the market users but in the corporate world the ratio is much different.
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The Android Market has millions of devices connected (I recall someone saying over 300million). So to target only the 50%, you'd have to make an application what is useful for almost everyone. Then count with the other devs who thought about the same, and you'll drop below 20% in the most optimistic case. You can never reach 50% if you're not a name already (like EA Games, Gameloft, and other huge companies). Or if you can't afford heavy marketing, adverts, etc.
Companies that provide employees with phones and tablets is where Apple rules. Why is that? Apple products are just better. They are not cheap plastic, creaky things where every one if different and not hardly one is on the same version. I do not have an iPhone because I refuse to pay carrier's pricing but all I want from a phone is phone calls, gps, access to emails, and some web browsing.
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WRONG. Companies buy iPhones for their employees because they have contracts with a given carrier. They get them in huge numbers for cheap, because Apple is pushing them (the carriers). They get huge bonuses just because that, not to talk about a lot bigger user base.
Apple things don't rule. They are made of the same plastic, metal, and other parts (ICs, SoCs, etc), as 99% of these are manufactured in China, even assembled in China! There was a picture, where it showed that the same factory was producing iPhones on a line, and next to it were cheap tablets and phones and mp4 players, and they were using the same material, electronics, etc.
At Apple, Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, and so on, you're paying for the brand - actually, some of the Chinese stuff can be better for half the price. Justsayin'
Phones are not game systems or video players - I am not going to watch a full length movie on a 4" screen.
Tablets on the other hand might be video players and I might play a game and I certainly will surf the web and read emails.
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Phones aren't, you're right, but when you're on the bus for 30mins, sitting in a line for the dentist, and so on, you can't have your xbox, ps3, wii with you. But you have your phone. So it's a fine time to watch a short movie (an episode of some series, etc), or play something funny (Angry Birds for an example).
Tablets are the same, except bigger, and you can use them as a smaller form PC or laptop.
I do not have an iPAD because I thought android was better. It is not and is always trying to one up Apple but Google can not even catch up to Apple nevermind get ahead of them.
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Then you think wrong. Both sides have their own pros and cons, but Google is definitely ruling Apple with Android, for the first time. There were more Android phone activations just during the holidays, than iPhone sales during a YEAR.
I had high hopes for ICS but doubt it will ever come on h/w that I already own - thanks ASUS, but I understand. Why no ICS yet? Because ASUS is working on their next device as they try to make a better product than Apple.
Interesting, first you say Google shouldn't make updates, now you cry for not getting one?
If ASUS cant take google code and get it ported into a device and not have problems then why are they selling the product. The prime GPS stinks but they continue to sell them, ASUS fixed the problem by repacking the PRIME but not retrofitting the nonworking Primes. We pay for their development, they are not looking back - profits comes from new sales.
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Asus won't release ICS until they get enough sales of the Prime first. You DID NOT pay for their development, there was no word about providing further updates in the future (there was a part, where it said, that Asus MAY send updates) for sure in the contract, you simply purchased the device, with the actual software on it. About Prime problems, yes, it's a concern they won't retrofit the problematic ones, but I'm sure they will come around that sooner or later.
I am saving for an iPAD and will keep the Android toys around for the kids. ASUS finally made me see the light.
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Okay then Apple boy. All of your sentences were just words from someone's mouth who bought an Asus Transformer expecting iPad features. I can tell you for sure: YOU WON'T GET THEM. This is not frikken Apple, this is ANDROID. Learn the difference between an open source, community driven operation system, and a closed source licensed and overpriced product.
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It's obvious that Android wasn't made for you. You people have to understand just some people think they like something but really don't. Try out apple, see how restricting they are. Maybe you will see their "light"
just to say.........if Apple was the bomb then why do people feel the need to jailbreak.........i think the term says it all. Freedom over the system to change what they want to try make it better ( sounds familiar ).......and get free **** of course (coughfilesharecough get it right up you )
just outta curiosity.........whys the logo got a mouldy half eaten granny smith on it anyway rather than a fully glorious golden delicious?
hmmm
Go for Apple, sell your transformer and give it a shot.
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I'll take that tablet off Ur hands since u don't want it..........
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I was about to post that. It might be nvflashable, which is more than you can say about mine
His ratio of posts is like 20-1 whining about ICS not being here to actual non-ICS posts..lol
I guess he bought the TF101 expecting it to be ICS any day, if you purchase an item with above reasonable expectations, when you get disappointed it is your own fault.
Lesson? Study the device you purchase better before you purchase next time.
LOL and after getting reamed for such a thoughtless post he edited it to remove all the thoughtlessness haha
Probably all talk. He will keep the tablet I'm sure.
2011CorvetteZR1 said:
No more ASUS for me
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I remember reading your post saying you own that car. You don't need the money.
So is your tf nvflash capable and how high does it clock ?
Mine has bad light bleed etc and well a swap or upgrade would be nice
Then you can sell and buy a nice shiny new ipad 2s
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