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[Q] Will the 2.1 update give dev's a better chance at rooting?

Sorry if this has been asked elsewhere, but I'm wondering if the 2.1 release will allow devs a better chance at effectively getting the X10 fully rooted? Ie: will they be able to see what changes the update is doing and use that to hopefully get us to 2.2?

Man, the most important thing is NOT to root (it is! rooted) the phone, but to crack the bootloader!
Once the loader gets cracked you won't want to root anymore cuz you probably simply use a (pre-rooted) custom ROM.
But IF SE changes anything about the bootloader it will probably be even harder than now to crack it... :-(
Hope the devs will get it one day...!!!
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Sony ericsson seem to have really made this thing hard to crack. I really hope it does get cracked though. Custom roms are exciting!
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PookyPooka said:
Sony ericsson seem to have really made this thing hard to crack. I really hope it does get cracked though. Custom roms are exciting!
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Either that or SE will not servive in this competition of handset. my fuse is getting hot and beginning to look at samsung.

PookyPooka said:
Sony ericsson seem to have really made this thing hard to crack. I really hope it does get cracked though. Custom roms are exciting!
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Problem is, not many people have X10 so, not enough devs for good brainstorming.
With less people involved, development is slow compared with other smartphones.

PStephan88 said:
Man, the most important thing is NOT to root (it is! rooted) the phone, but to crack the bootloader!
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Err I guess thats what I meant. Will we be able to easily crack the bootloader using the update coming out (hopefully this year?)

Can you discuss 2.1 in the existing 2.1 thread

Bootloader And Android 2.4

Hello,
I am planing on the Atrix for august when I will be in the US,
And I wonder- do you think the Bootloader will be cracked untill then?
Or Motorola Unlock it/ update to- 2.4?
Thank You,
Daniel

No way to be certain for either of those questions. Check back in August.

Diviance said:
No way to be certain for either of those questions. Check back in August.
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I wanted to know as well...
Sigh, August is way to long...

wow it sound really pessimistic.
I am following the DEVS thread and it looks like they found something and soon the will find a way to hack this...

they havent posted in the bootloader thread in a couple of days, so i dont know whats going on. its killing me too.
i cant make heads or tales of what they have done as of yet, but i can say that it looks better for us now that they have a way to recover (the sbf) if they mess something up. a lot of things things they can try now that they may not have wanted to before, for fear of brick

Not really pessimistic, just neutral. We can make guesses but there is no way to be certain the loader will be broken or whether motorola will give up and unsign it. They have stated we will get 2.3 for sure, but 2.4 is a toss up still.

danielel said:
wow it sound really pessimistic.
I am following the DEVS thread and it looks like they found something and soon the will find a way to hack this...
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Well thats sucks.
2.3 doesn't bring any important changes, and it does take time to make the update.
waste of time..
well it just means that if the devs here won't get to bootloader hacked the milestone story will be back.

oFUNGUSo said:
they havent posted in the bootloader thread in a couple of days, so i dont know whats going on. its killing me too.
i cant make heads or tales of what they have done as of yet, but i can say that it looks better for us now that they have a way to recover (the sbf) if they mess something up. a lot of things things they can try now that they may not have wanted to before, for fear of brick
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Ya what happened to them, that thread was booming with new posts every day and randomly it just stopped
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Diviance said:
They have stated we will get 2.3 for sure, but 2.4 is a toss up still.
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Who cares about 2.3? 2.4 is what everyone's after...
GPU-accelerated UI and Browser
Built-in Gtalk video chat support
Multi-language browser support
And as Matias Duarte implied, all the Honeycomb design changes will be in 2.4
So who cares about 2.3? Not me. If the Atrix isn't released unsigned in Canada, and unless the XDA hacks it, I will be going for the Nexus S, and sticking with the Nexus line for the next few years...

Hard to speak about 2.4, as we don't have much of a clue about it. But loading custom kernels and the like is really making me re-think the decision about buying the Atrix...

Not to be a downer in this thread, but I wouldn't hold your breath for the unlocked bootloader, but it is nice that some fresh minds are going at it.
With that said, the devs for the D2 and DX have been able to set the users up with a good amount of customization.
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oh man I will be in Canada for 4 days...I hoped maybe it would be unlocked there.
well I guess I'll just have to check it later...
thank you every one

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=992326
HAVE YOU SEEN THIS?!
HE GOT A WAY TO PASS THE BOOTLOADER!!!!
HOPE HE WILL PUBLISH A WAY TO PASS IT SOON!!!

Its still being tested but DA G has had some success. No one else has posted anything else. I think the reason the bootloader thread has been quiet is because there in an irc were they can talk easier. We prob wont hear anythkng new until they have made some progress. I'm just glad we have the sbf file. That's a big step. Ill be happy if we can get motoblur removed.
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We need something to spark the dev community for the atrix..

It's been getting quieter and quieter as of lately. I hope they are getting closer to something big or working hard on something, because this is a great phone. Its even encouraged me to start to do a little dev'ing of my own But in the meanwhile I'll just continue to wait patiently

We should see some minor momentum when it launches internationally later this spring.

the devs are most likely using the private forums, which is why its been quiet in the public ones...
i hope

unlocking the bootloader would be the bomb! ... but that's easy to say

I really wish something like this would happen. It such a shame to have the flagship android device on AT&T have such a hard time with devs because of the bootloader.

Hard to see any development until they release source with bootloader unlock. Hopefully gingerbread isn't far off given the Droid x had it released.
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pagandoc said:
Hard to see any development until they release source with bootloader unlock. Hopefully gingerbread isn't far off given the Droid x had it released.
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Wasn't is stated somewhere that gingerbread would come Q2 or Q3? I can't remember

Hopefully with the next update as well as the current drop in prices through Amazon, etc, we'll see more interest. The locked bootloader is probably a big turn off for most developers though.

So it's April 13th.. Where is that HSUPA firmware upgrade AT&T told us we would get?

Jesus... I didn't know that April 13th was the end of April... These months have sure gotten shorter.
I'm just spit-balling here, but when a company states they'll be releasing an OTA in April, that might mean they'll release it at some point in the month. Not just within the first two weeks.
You might be justified in using that statement the first week of March, but... Nevermind.

Actually, the Atrix's irc channel is very active and devs are working on the bootloader (kholk even stated that he has a method to unlock/bypass it, but he's away until the 2nd of May, so he'll probably test/finish/whatever it when he returns).
I think that devs tend not to post their smaller ideas on the forums now, but rather discuss them on irc as the forums got quite messy with lots of off topic crap...

That would be outstanding...

bee55 said:
Actually, the Atrix's irc channel is very active and devs are working on the bootloader (kholk even stated that he has a method to unlock/bypass it, but he's away until the 2nd of May, so he'll probably test/finish/whatever it when he returns).
I think that devs tend not to post their smaller ideas on the forums now, but rather discuss them on irc as the forums got quite messy with lots of off topic crap...
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nerdgasm!
i'm going to start transferring money into my paypal now so I can donate to these guys once the unlock comes out.
And also regarding the HSPA+ (or HSUPA+?+) update we're supposed to get, I'm trying my hardest to forget about it because I'd feel I'm setting myself up for a big letdown.

s1mpd1ddy said:
nerdgasm!
i'm going to start transferring money into my paypal now so I can donate to these guys once the unlock comes out.
And also regarding the HSPA+ (or HSUPA+?+) update we're supposed to get, I'm trying my hardest to forget about it because I'd feel I'm setting myself up for a big letdown.
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same here! ... the guy who'll unlock the atrix's bootloader is gonna get a lot of lov€ from me

I think the 2700 dollar bounty is motivation lol. The devs are definitely hard at work on the bootloader. Only had the phone a month an a half and Im content so far but in a year I'm sure we'll all start getting antsy for some new more hardcore devices that's when custom ROMs and overclocking will quench our thirst lol
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Anyone know where Da_G disappeared to? Haven't heard anything from him for a quite a bit now.

If I'm not mistaken I think I saw him in the IRC channel today. Haven't seen any posts from him lately tho. Maybe he's cooking up some goodness

bee55 said:
Actually, the Atrix's irc channel is very active and devs are working on the bootloader (kholk even stated that he has a method to unlock/bypass it, but he's away until the 2nd of May, so he'll probably test/finish/whatever it when he returns).
I think that devs tend not to post their smaller ideas on the forums now, but rather discuss them on irc as the forums got quite messy with lots of off topic crap...
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you made me the happiest person alive. 2 weeks, meh whatever. at least we know its close.

vin791 said:
you made me the happiest person alive. 2 weeks, meh whatever. at least we know its close.
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No expectations, no disappointments my dear
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PixoNova said:
Anyone know where Da_G disappeared to? Haven't heard anything from him for a quite a bit now.
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I remember that someone said said Da_G is facing some personal issues...

Waiting for Cm7 and miui

Thanks for all the devs helping us with all the 2.3.4 rom based off the official rom. It runs well. However, I am waiting for to dev who can either bring cm7 or mini to our rom. Right now, there is just too much moto blur bloat on the official rom.
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As far as i know, CM team is trying to make a CM port to our phone. But as you may know, the hardware in our phone is different than the versions they have now for other phones (for example, the fingerprint scanner). They doesnt have any 2.3.4 motorola source code to have as a base neither....

They will never come
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Why don't u think they'll come curious to hear ur opinion

lesonal said:
They will never come
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Why do you think so?

spx2000 said:
Thanks for all the devs helping us with all the 2.3.4 rom based off the official rom. It runs well. However, I am waiting for to dev who can either bring cm7 or mini to our rom. Right now, there is just too much moto blur bloat on the official rom.
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Huh. Go on then, take the source and start-a-porting. How about this: don't ever expect anything to come. There is a chance it will never come, although sense the CM team is working on it I suspect it will arrive some day. Their one rule is to not ask for etas, so please stop asking where cm7 is.

BravoMotorola said:
Huh. Go on then, take the source and start-a-porting. How about this: don't ever expect anything to come. There is a chance it will never come, although sense the CM team is working on it I suspect it will arrive some day. Their one rule is to not ask for etas, so please stop asking where cm7 is.
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Learn to read, no one asked where it was OP simply stated that they are waiting for it as opposed to just messing with the current roms

BravoMotorola said:
Huh. Go on then, take the source and start-a-porting. How about this: don't ever expect anything to come. There is a chance it will never come, although sense the CM team is working on it I suspect it will arrive some day. Their one rule is to not ask for etas, so please stop asking where cm7 is.
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I totally agree we shouldn't take the devs for granted (especially those of us just savvy enough to use the roms, but not enough to help make 'em at all).
However, last year Android was at like 16% market share, and CM could support basically every unlocked phone all the way back to the G1. This year Android market share is at almost 40% with phone dropping at an accelerating rate. I'm sure it helps them decide which phones to support to know where there is interest.
I hope it doesn't hurt anyone at CM's feelings for me to say that I love CM, and have missed it ever since I left my G1 for the Atrix, and I too will be holding off on flashing roms for now in hopes that CM will add us to the supported device list.

Well said
Incognitum said:
I totally agree we shouldn't take the devs for granted (especially those of us just savvy enough to use the roms, but not enough to help make 'em at all).
However, last year Android was at like 16% market share, and CM could support basically every unlocked phone all the way back to the G1. This year Android market share is at almost 40% with phone dropping at an accelerating rate. I'm sure it helps them decide which phones to support to know where there is interest.
I hope it doesn't hurt anyone at CM's feelings for me to say that I love CM, and have missed it ever since I left my G1 for the Atrix, and I too will be holding off on flashing roms for now in hopes that CM will add us to the supported device list.
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Where can we get atleast 100% confirmation that cm7 is in fact being worked on. No he said she said stuff. Let's see an actual post from one of the devs please. I think that would make people feel A LOT better
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Anthonok said:
Where can we get atleast 100% confirmation that cm7 is in fact being worked on. No he said she said stuff. Let's see an actual post from one of the devs please. I think that would make people feel A LOT better
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I would like to see this too, assuming such confirmation even exists...I've been watching aliasxerog's twitter periodically, as it seemed he and a team of a few other guys were given the unlocked Atrix to work on? As recently as like last week or something, he had made comments about working on a kernel.
However recently it seems he has been looking for a DX2...nothing like ditching work on one phone partway through! Hopefully this isn't really the case lol, and he is still at work on CM7 or something!

if you search for CM7 on the Atrix foruns you'll see a post with status updates on the port. No "he said she said".

Viamonte said:
if you search for CM7 on the Atrix foruns you'll see a post with status updates on the port. No "he said she said".
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Got a link to that post??

i definite don't take devs for granted. While I don't have the the technical chops to port myself, I donated to several projects .
While the current official rom works very well, I believe atrix can be even better without all the extra bloat . I think we have good chance to see miui official support for our phone because the phone is being heavily advertised by the china cellular providers.
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Come on guys, if you don't pro-actively "wait for it", things will be much easier for you
It will take time for the first build to emerge, and even more times before all the bugs get fixed. Just subscribe to aliaxesrog twitter and wait for your day.

To be clear, you don't have to be a existing CM7 Dev to start print CM7, it's open source.
When a developer gets a port working for a specific device, if they can merge the unique code for that device back into CM7 mainline, it becomes an officially supported device and that developer becomes a recognized maintainer.
We have a few people working on CM7, AliasXerog, SamCripp and I'm reaching out to others, but as no Moto devices have been as unlocked as the Atrix since the OG Droid people are starting from scratch.
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Rewards (READ: BIG QTD OF DOLLARS) was offered and NO CM team said anything about ETA or if its being worked on, so i gona hate cm team and i think they will not support our phone, sad but true.
I really want to donate, and i didn't have more a atrix (mine got dropped on toilet), but just when community got somethig good and working.

SkzBR said:
Rewards (READ: BIG QTD OF DOLLARS) was offered and NO CM team said anything about ETA or if its being worked on, so i gona hate cm team and i think they will not support our phone, sad but true.
I really want to donate, and i didn't have more a atrix (mine got dropped on toilet), but just when community got somethig good and working.
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When it gets ported, they will presumably start supporting. Have faith!
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The Cyanogen devs have said, repeatedly, that what devices they develop CyanogenMod for is dependent on what devices they personally have or have access to. That being said, there is a thread on the Unofficial Ports section of their forum, but it's almost exclusively repetitions of "the bootloader is unlocked, can we get a port now please?"
For the more impatient members of the angry mob, it's worth remembering that the bootloader hasn't been unlocked for all that long.

Guys read this
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/14006-motorola-atrix-4g/

Bootloader was too late

Hi
Does anyone else think that the bootloader release is just a bit too late. All our great devs have left just before it was released. Reason I say this is because the unlock has been around for a week and all I have seen is DooM making kernels. Z hasn't been seen and as for the others well. They moved on. Same for all our better cooks. What are other peoples views on this.
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Nope, to me, I consider it as an exclusive treat for the loyal X10 users.
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I agree, I havent even bothered unlocking mine as the old method is fine until something else worthwhile is released. I doubt we will get anything we dont already have.
Perhaps an updated kernel eventually but i cant see anything useful for me.
The X10 has got old fast, there are so many better phones out there now. Ive never been that happy with the x10. The features I find it has arent overly great. Its huge 8mp camera blows compared to other phones. Far to slow and annoying to focus. I use to use it alot when I first got it but dont ever touch it now.
I doubt the devs will be able to squeez much more out of there roms.

i want to see a rom thats as full to aosp as possible likegoogle version of android and then ill do mine

Blackwatch89 said:
Hi
Does anyone else think that the bootloader release is just a bit too late. All our great devs have left just before it was released. Reason I say this is because the unlock has been around for a week and all I have seen is DooM making kernels. Z hasn't been seen and as for the others well. They moved on. Same for all our better cooks. What are other peoples views on this.
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i think some people expect too much from the bootloader unlock.
The bootloader bypass gave us custom kernels and was a big step.
The bootloader unlock doesnt really give us much extra in addition to the bootloader bypass apart from a quicker startup time. Those people who just think bootloader unlock automatically gives us the ability to do 16m colours or proper multitouch are simply ill informed as to how this stuff works.

brent0r said:
I agree, I havent even bothered unlocking mine as the old method is fine until something else worthwhile is released. I doubt we will get anything we dont already have.
Perhaps an updated kernel eventually but i cant see anything useful for me.
The X10 has got old fast, there are so many better phones out there now. Ive never been that happy with the x10. The features I find it has arent overly great. Its huge 8mp camera blows compared to other phones. Far to slow and annoying to focus. I use to use it alot when I first got it but dont ever touch it now.
I doubt the devs will be able to squeez much more out of there roms.
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You guys got a point and I admit I had to agree with you. We may have not seen anything worthwhile for now, but I am very positive that there will be, if not many, one whole new thing we havent seen for our X10.
I'm not sure what happened to z, but everyone has their own life. Just hope that he don't leave us just like that.
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who knows what z has got cooking..
he always seems to pop out at times like these when hope and morale is down and be like "surprise I made the best thing ever"
lol

scoobysnacks said:
who knows what z has got cooking..
he always seems to pop out at times like these when hope and morale is down and be like "surprise I made the best thing ever"
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I doubt he really is cooking something lol
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Didn't Z's phone break?? Anyway I think maybe now that bootloader is unlocked some old dev's might blow the dust off their x10's and come back even maybe part time lol you never know what could happen
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X10 will get official CM support and jerpelea is working on his CM rom and im sure zdzihu will comeback with something soon. Its not at all to late!
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I saw this same thing on MoDaCo.
I look at it this way:
If you have unlocked your bootloader, then you don't have to worry about losing xrec when you flash a faulty ROM/kernel. Since it's built right in, it's there to stay. That way you don't have to deal with going back to stock, rooting, and restoring backup from there.
Made testing things a bit easier, if anything.
Let's all support our devs in slow times. And if at all else, come together as a community, learn to cook, mod, dev, and things will pick up.
And as always: this is done for free* by regular, everyday, normal people such as yourselves that do this in their free time. I'm grateful for that.
*only exception is ad clicking to get to WB files via adf.ly due to his financial contraints (but it's time paid, not money)

Wolfbreak said:
X10 will get official CM support and jerpelea is working on his CM rom and im sure zdzihu will comeback with something soon. Its not at all to late!
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whats the chances of youmaking a rom thats similar to google version

-PiLoT- said:
i want to see a rom thats as full to aosp as possible likegoogle version of android and then ill do mine
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I am the process of making a fully aosp rom from source as we speak. Just finishing the download of the sources and then onto the build. Don't know if it will go well but I am using the tutorial videos by Ubuntu. The best Linux distro around. Maybe a week or two and I will release a fully aosp rom. Also I have to go e my thanks to achotjan for teaching me a few things. .
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Blackwatch89 said:
I am the process of making a fully aosp rom from source as we speak. Just finishing the download of the sources and then onto the build. Don't know if it will go well but I am using the tutorial videos by Ubuntu. The best Linux distro around. Maybe a week or two and I will release a fully aosp rom. Also I have to go e my thanks to achotjan for teaching me a few things. .
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Nice just the opposite of what achotjan does...
sammyjc89=Blackwatch89?
Why?
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What i need is working Dual touch but i will wait for it...

Hope it will be Multitouch or something like Kernel 2.6.32. MT if it's not hardware problem....

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...Ubuntu. The best Linux distro around...
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Welcome to the world of Linux my friend, there's no need keep saying the same thing again, and again. Just keep up the good work!
@DikeJ, FreeXperia is currently working on kernel 2.6.32 for a long time now(since before the bootloader was unlocked). About MT, search around the forums, AFAIK, Z said X10's digitizer supports MT, it's just that the phone is released on Android 1.6, which don't support MT.

@Hzu, good to hear. I know about creating 2.6.32, but about MT didn't heard anything before - very good info. So it's just a time to reborn again our X10's .
BTW - I will create topic on Devs forum - it will be gaming and the fastest ROM for X10 - I have hope . Stay tuned, after 21st .

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@Hzu, good to hear. I know about creating 2.6.32, but about MT didn't heard anything before - very good info. So it's just a time to reborn again our X10's .
BTW - I will create topic on Devs forum - it will be gaming and the fastest ROM for X10 - I have hope . Stay tuned, after 21st .
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Sounds cool and promising! Hope to hear from you soon!

Yes its to late for me. next week ill buy sgs2. Thingking of selling my x10 (so-o1b) ... sell or paperweight?
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sahibunlimited said:
Nice just the opposite of what achotjan does...
sammyjc89=Blackwatch89?
Why?
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What i need is working Dual touch but i will wait for it...
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Security perposes. Someone tried hacking one of my account but my software caught them. Shame I couldn't find them though. Anyways also I am a big fan of the 1st battalion blackwatch regiment. One of the hardest army regiments in the UK. Hey, gotta love the Scottish man.
-Pilot-
Please don't take that the wrong way. I think you lot are nuts but sound as f**k. Got a few mates from that regiment and they are hard as nails. Scary too
Anyways also it goes with my lifestyle too. I don't sleep due to health issues so I am a bit nocturnal you could say but I'm always on the lookout. Black-night, Watch-eyes open and 89 my yr of birth. Hope that helps you understand dude.
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