… still no solution for the bootloader, what does it mean - Atrix 4G General

… still no official solution for bootloader, what does it mean
Motorola promised to offer a way:
> http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=495971028278
the told us we have to wait:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/45249?tstart=30
Christy Wyatt (Motorola board member) talked about the advantages of android:
“I don’t envision us using Microsoft. I would never say never but it’s not something we’re entertaining now,” said Wyatt. The company proudly boasts of being 100% committed to Android and believes that Microsoft’s “closed” OS prevents them from “creating unique value”.
> http://windowsphonemix.com/tag/christy-wyatt-motorola/
good vibes on engadget (xoom):
> http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/22/motorola-bucks-its-own-trend-leaves-xoom-bootloader-unlockable/
bad vibes on xda.developers.com (atrix):
> http://www.xda-developers.com/android/update-on-the-atrix-root-signed-motorola/
but we are waiting, and I am going to be very very disappointed … maybe Motorola wants to get in another milestone chaos, like in europe
xoom bootloader: 1.6mil google entrys
> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&biw=82...oader&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&fp=304b8f44479ccdc
atrix bootloader: 2.2mil google entrys
> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&biw=82...tloader&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&fp=304b8f44479ccdc

So ....
Any news on this? Where is Motorola's solution?

Uuh... i think it means that the phone has been out for barely a month (which i find odd that you link to a "promise" made by Motorola back in January about a bootloader solution.... and even then they said that more details will be available when they get closer to availability. SO.... my guess is they probably don't want to talk about it right now. Like i say about a lot of things... i'd rather hear nothing at all for a while and then get a definite date, than hear something now and have it delayed and delayed.

elementaldragon said:
Uuh... i think it means that the phone has been out for barely a month (which i find odd that you link to a "promise" made by Motorola back in January about a bootloader solution.... and even then they said that more details will be available when they get closer to availability. SO.... my guess is they probably don't want to talk about it right now. Like i say about a lot of things... i'd rather hear nothing at all for a while and then get a definite date, than hear something now and have it delayed and delayed.
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GT5?
aaaaaaaaanyways I just want to know if motorola is actually planning on doing this or if they have forgotten all intentions. Also Sony just decided to unlock the bootloaders so hopefully motorola follows them.

Add the Forbes article by Eric savitz
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Add the Forbes article by Eric savitz
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What does this have to do with what we are talking about?

Think he's talking about that one that's been posted in a few threads about AT&T as well as possibly other carriers shutting down both voice and data services on phones detected to be rooted/jailbroken.... which unless the person doing so is doing something like a free tethering app and seriously hogging their network, i doubt AT&T or any other carrier would touch with someone elses 30-foot pole. That is unless they want some lawsuits on their hands.
still.... rather irrelevant.

meta96 said:
… still no official solution for bootloader, what does it mean?
Christy Wyatt (Motorola board member) talked about the advantages of android:
“I don’t envision us using Microsoft. I would never say never but it’s not something we’re entertaining now,” said Wyatt. The company proudly boasts of being 100% committed to Android and believes that Microsoft’s “closed” OS prevents them from “creating unique value”.
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I read this as "There's no way Microsoft would let us put a linux built webtop which they receive no licensing fees for on a phone alongside their WP7 OS."
Which doesn't mean they support Android being open, they just oppose paying someone for an OS. Android is just a convenient free option and locking it down costs less than developing their own proprietary OS, as well as offering a large pre-established App development base which their proprietary OS could never hope to attract. For instance Webtop apps would be sweet...but I'm not expecting any in the foreseeable future.

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Maybe there should be a class action lawsuit

I read on Twitter about a report that some Samsung Behold II owners are thinking of suing the manufacturer for failure to upgrade their Android phones.
I think the issue is deeper. It has to do with ALL manufacturers and phone company providers. They ALL seem to have a different view as to when to upgrade the phones even after Google provided them for free. Can you imagine if your PC's Window updates are being delayed because HP, Dell, Sony etc have decided to further customize whatever Microsoft did?
If the manufacturers and telcos are unwilling to provide updates, maybe the distribution model should be changed. In the same way that Microsoft charges for a new upgrade (Windows XP - Windows ??? - Windows 7). How about if Google charges, lets say $5 and you can upgrade via the market (cupcake - donut - Eclair - Floyo).
See this article about Samsung owners: http://androidoperatingsystem.net/2010/05/27/samsung-behold-ii-owners-consider-legal-action-over-lack-of-android-2-x-upgrade/
I agree, 'open source' isn't so open. we are locked out of what we can do with the software when the software is suppose to be free and open. I had always thought it was still odd.
The X10 is doing exactly what was advertised by Sony Ericsson. We can be angry for inexistent software updates, but the X10 was advertised with 1.6. Open source does mean nothing. SE has released the full source for the kernel, so they have fully complied to the GPL license. Absolutely no room for lawsuits IMHO.
actually its true.
they are trying to prevent advancement of the Android OS.
with all the technology ..dont tell me they cant release a goddamn update for a mobile OS.
they dont want Android competing with their other products...coz android is so much powerful
Are you high? Drunk?
Since when was truthfully advertising a product's abilities something worthy of a lawsuit?
SE advertised the phone as coming with 1.6. They also promised an update to 2.1 in Q4 2010. What is it now? Q2 2010. How in the **** is someone going to get angry that they don't release something earlier than what they said? There's absolutely no laws being broken. SE doesn't even have to update the phone! There's no legally binding agreement that says they have to or will.
Y'all need a serious reality check.
And really, what does 2.1 do that you can't do in 1.6? Even 2.2 for that matter? Because that matters so much on a cell phone. The phone may become faster, it may not. The phone is exactly as advertised on every single video, picture, and text that SE has released, so I'm not disappointed.
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There are some nice app I can't use because of not being on 2.X : pdaNet tether via bluetooth for exemple.
iead1 said:
Are you high? Drunk?
Since when was truthfully advertising a product's abilities something worthy of a lawsuit? (MOD EDIT - Vulgarity removed)
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Why do you need to come to insults. Did I write anything in my original post that I wasn't happy as it is now. My opinion has to do with the way manufacturers and telcos view the OS, which is a little bit different than what Google does. Otherwise, Google would not have done what it did for 2.2, make future OS updates independent of what the manufacturer does.
From my own experience with the Rogers Magic, it took almost a revolt from the subscribers before HTC and Rogers promised an update to 2.1.
Please read the link regarding the Samsung. Sometimes, manufacturers need to be pressed to keep their promises. I have been reading about SE. While I am currently happy with the X10a, I also read that SE has a history of not fulfilling their promises (aka X1 Windows mobile updates). But that was not the point of my original post. My point is that ALL manufacturers and telcos should be held accountable for future updates, not just out of their good will, but as a requirement.
I do expect an apology from you for the insulting way you wrote your response.
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so you want to sue them because they don't hold the same attitude towards Open-source software, that Google does?
I agree with iead1. calm down, nobody is obligated to provide you with a new version of an Operating system. They arent even obligated to fix bugs, unless it interferes with a feature that they clearly advertised.
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I agree with the above, the phone does much more than any other phone I've ever had, it does everything better and faster.
2.1/2 would be good and I am sure they will come eventually. But I seriously don't see enough benefits from what my phone does at the moment to justify all the anger seen on this forum in the past couple of weeks.
As said above, the phone does exactly what was advertised and more.
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the new american dream - sue everything and everyone.
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Are you high? Drunk?
Y'all need a serious reality check.
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Comedy gold. I second that. Theres nothing illegal on se part. TheY ARE just behind becuse of the custom UI wich you payed for.
I just wanted root
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the new american dream - sue everything and everyone.
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Yes we can ...
Oh well, in fact yes you can

Pressure on Tmobile

This shows that the chip issue is bothering more than just consumers. Hopefully this pressure will help us maintain control over our phones.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-sour...r-android-becoming-a-political-liability/7588
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Ghostcreamy said:
This shows that the chip issue is bothering more than just consumers. Hopefully this pressure will help us maintain control over our phones.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-sour...r-android-becoming-a-political-liability/7588
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*sigh*
What chip issue exactly?
Stick it to Google, T-mobile... The cellphone manufacturers are starting to imprint chips to bypass any OS modifications... I can clearly say "it's only a matter of time until this cheapy little chip is cracked."
At this point it really doesn't matter if its a chip, a bug or bad juju big brother is starting to take notice and that is good for us.
Wow, so why doesn't anyone ever bring up the Droid X? Or this this just mainly a ploy to take aim at T-mobile?
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This is indeed very good news for the customer (like us) who like to do more than just accept how the phone comes. Keep up the pressure people! =)
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*sigh*
What chip issue exactly?
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Seconded.
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janus zeal said:
Seconded.
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This chip is why we cant have Perma Root. Look for Root thread and you will see what i mean and a much better explanation hehe
Ehh... this article is bull****. It's just some more hype written by another Android user for ZDNet. If you look at the sourced article, it does not mention any impending predicament for Schmidt and barely talks about Google. This just hype... for example:
The ZDnet author writes in his article:
It is now obvious that it’s the latter step Google took with Android and folks in Washington are starting to take notice.
The cited article doesn't mention a political quandary headed by Google. It can be summarized well by the last sentence. And the only relevance to Google and Schmidt in that article is a short blurb referring to another blog post on the same site.
The fundamental question the FCC now needs to answer is not if developers will find a way around the latest blocks, but if companies should be allowed to continue actively blocking users from truly owning and having full control over the mobile devices they buy in the first place.
and
On Tuesday October 5, 2010 the New America Foundation posted a blog highlighting a new “feature” of the T-Mobile's G2 with Google phone (G2).
Following that link takes us to the New American Foundation site which posted the following on Oct 5th (with an update on the 7th):
Unfortunately, the G2 also comes with built-in hardware that restricts what software a device owner might wish to install.
and
Clearly, the included software on T-Mobile's phone overrides a user's rights to run the legal software and applications of their choice. Instead, a microchip on the new T-Mobile Android phone acts just like a virus -- overwriting a user's preferred software and changing preferences and settings to change settings and software to conform to the desires of a third party. Users of the new "T-Mobile G2 with Google" phone should be warned that their device will overwrite their software modifications. We are seeking further clarification as to the legality of this software.
As you can see this is between the FCC, T-Mobile and possibly HTC. I don't foresee Google taking any real interest in this because it can only cost them money. Sure Google has made some noble contributions, but how much can they gain from protecting their interests? Not an awful much in this case. Mobile phone manufacturers and network providers will keep using the Android operating system. And the fact that Google licensed the Android operating system does not readily mean they are entitled to enforce it.
If you are interested in the legality of enforcing a license like the GPL, I highly suggest reading: http://www.jltp.uiuc.edu/archives/kumar.pdf
Here's a blurb that describes the predicament:
Two competing theories attempt to explain why the GPL is
enforceable. The first theory, backed by the GPL’s creator Richard
Stallman, declares that the GPL is a non-contractual license, rather than
a contract. Eben Moglen, general counsel for Stallman’s Free Software
Foundation (“FSF”), has stated that “[l]icenses are not contracts: the
work’s user is obliged to remain within the bounds of the license not
because she voluntarily promised, but because she doesn’t have any right
to act at all except as the license permits.”28 This theory presents
problems, because it does not account for the possibility of the licensor
withdrawing the license to the detriment of the licensee. Draft 2 of GPL
v.3 states that “[a]ll rights granted under this License are granted for the
term of copyright on the Program, and are irrevocable provided the stated
conditions are met.”29 However, the draft provides no guidance regarding
what kind of legal remedy is available to a licensee if the licensor
attempts to revoke previously granted rights.
The second theory holds that the GPL is a contract. This theory is
plausible, because traditional software licenses are generally interpreted
as contracts. But such licenses also have cash consideration. Contract
proponents argue that consideration does exist under the GPL. But
ultimately, they are unable to show that there is a meeting of minds
between the licensor and licensee, thus failing the requirements of
contract formation.
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Ehh... this article is bull****. It's just some more hype written by another Android user for ZDNet. If you look at the sourced article, it does not mention any impending predicament for Schmidt and barely talks about Google. This just hype... for example:
The ZDnet author writes in his article:
It is now obvious that it’s the latter step Google took with Android and folks in Washington are starting to take notice.
The cited article doesn't mention a political quandary headed by Google. It can be summarized well by the last sentence. And the only relevance to Google and Schmidt in that article is a short blurb referring to another blog post on the same site.
The fundamental question the FCC now needs to answer is not if developers will find a way around the latest blocks, but if companies should be allowed to continue actively blocking users from truly owning and having full control over the mobile devices they buy in the first place.
and
On Tuesday October 5, 2010 the New America Foundation posted a blog highlighting a new “feature” of the T-Mobile's G2 with Google phone (G2).
Following that link takes us to the New American Foundation site which posted the following on Oct 5th (with an update on the 7th):
Unfortunately, the G2 also comes with built-in hardware that restricts what software a device owner might wish to install.
and
Clearly, the included software on T-Mobile's phone overrides a user's rights to run the legal software and applications of their choice. Instead, a microchip on the new T-Mobile Android phone acts just like a virus -- overwriting a user's preferred software and changing preferences and settings to change settings and software to conform to the desires of a third party. Users of the new "T-Mobile G2 with Google" phone should be warned that their device will overwrite their software modifications. We are seeking further clarification as to the legality of this software.
As you can see this is between the FCC, T-Mobile and possibly HTC. I don't foresee Google taking any real interest in this because it can only cost them money. Sure Google has made some noble contributions, but how much can they gain from protecting their interests? Not an awful much in this case. Mobile phone manufacturers and network providers will keep using the Android operating system. And the fact that Google licensed the Android operating system does not readily mean they are entitled to enforce it.
If you are interested in the legality of enforcing a license like the GPL, I highly suggest reading: http://www.jltp.uiuc.edu/archives/kumar.pdf
Here's a blurb that describes the predicament:
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Whatever... It's whatever you want it to be... Stop trying to ruin the excitement here...
I think the real issue her is the we own the phone and have the right to install or uninstall any application we want that is not integral to the proper operation of the phone without needing root access. This just isn't a T-mobile issue either, all cell providers do the same thing. I doubt it will change anytime soon without the government getting involved.
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Whatever... It's whatever you want it to be... Stop trying to ruin the excitement here...
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You can also try thinking for yourself as opposed to accepting everything you read, whether it's my post or the article.
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just out of curiosity
is it possible that by "rooting" our phones we would then be able to circumvent some of the failsafes or even bypass billing processes that our network providers have in place?
if there is even the slightest hint of a yes then i would say that any network provider would be entitled to take "reasonable" action to protect their investment as im sure that in any contract or terms of use guide the networks have there would be a section saying something similiar, if not more wordy and legal'ish
Regardless of sensationalism or whatever this is good for us.. I just can't believe the responses here or hell in most of the G2 forums. Most of you are like puppies who will lay over just for a corporate tummy rub. WTF! Why are the "this phone rocks root or not!!11!!" people even on a DEVELOPER website? Jesus people you are either with or against the thing that made cyanogenmod a household name....open android.
I can clearly say XDA was not founded on the principal of HEY MY PHONE CAME JUST THE WAY I LIKED IT....AHHH THANKS HTC.
Please get behind the cause people.
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You can also try thinking for yourself as opposed to accepting everything you read, whether it's my post or the article.
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Let me guess... you voted for obama...
naria01 said:
Let me guess... you voted for obama...
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No.
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naria01 said:
Let me guess... you voted for obama...
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WTF...does voting for Obama have to do with this.....some people.
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OP thanks for the link to the info it was interesting to know that more than just consumers are taking notice even if it doesn't go very far.
Mod, please close this thread before its dominated by "truck stop politics." This isn't the place to discuss who voted for who and why or why not it was a good idea.
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just out of curiosity
is it possible that by "rooting" our phones we would then be able to circumvent some of the failsafes or even bypass billing processes that our network providers have in place?
if there is even the slightest hint of a yes then i would say that any network provider would be entitled to take "reasonable" action to protect their investment as im sure that in any contract or terms of use guide the networks have there would be a section saying something similiar, if not more wordy and legal'ish
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... no. Billing is done on carrier side, not on the phone. In fact, the carrier doesn't even know which phone you're currently using, and they don't really care beyond forcing you to buy certain plans with certain phones.
Snuggl3s said:
This chip is why we cant have Perma Root. Look for Root thread and you will see what i mean and a much better explanation hehe
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Did you even read the root threads you just referenced? If so, you clearly don't understand what's in them so read the wiki.
I find it odd that the article that the OP linked to mentions T-Mobile's claims of a poorly coded app almost bringing the network down helps they argument for blocking root. The problem is, based on what I can from the TmoNews article on the app, that app had nothing to do with rooting. Any attempt to link that app to root problems for carriers is pure FUD.
Is it too much to ask that T-Mobile just come out and say that rooting and flashing ROMs leads to higher support costs? Then we can at least have an honest debate.

SMS bug OTA coming in a few days

For those who don't follow @GalaxySsupport (official Samsung) on Twitter, they just tweeted the following:
"#NexusS owners! OTA update coming over the next few days. It will prevent an SMS from being sent to the wrong contact."
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My response was great, but when's the reboot during a call bug fix coming...
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My response was great, but when's the reboot during a call bug fix coming...
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Not soon enough!
If I think that a call is likely to last a few minutes I pre-warn the caller that my phone might cut out. One of my contacts said that I ought to get an Android phone (he's apparently got a Desire) FFS!!!!!!!
Heres the news in written:
http://phandroid.com/2011/01/20/samsung-nexus-s-ota-coming-to-fix-sms-bug/
what puzzles me is that why is the samsung support releasing this news? aren't we getting all nexus ota's from google?
I'm confused why Samsung is the one announcing this.
Edit: lol seems I am not the only one
deeren said:
what puzzles me is that why is the samsung support releasing this news? aren't we getting all nexus ota's from google?
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It's still a Samsung product, and despite people who populate this forum thinking of it as a Google phone, there are surely plenty of consumers who have purchased the phone at Best Buys just because it's heavily promoted there (at least at all 3 of the Best Buys near me) and is a really neat looking phone.
Samsung gets the black eye for bugs in the minds of those customers, and so they have an interest in this, even though it comes from Google.
If you check out the other tweets from the account I quoted, they do say the update comes from Google, not them, so they don't have a change log to share.
Seems Google is really taking a "hands-off" approach to the Nexus line.
Such a shame.
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Seems Google is really taking a "hands-off" approach to the Nexus line.
Such a shame.
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Samsung makes an announcement, and suddenly it means Google is taking a "hands-off" approach?
I don't make the same connection quite so easily; but I'm an optimist.
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Samsung makes an announcement, and suddenly it means Google is taking a "hands-off" approach?
I don't make the same connection quite so easily; but I'm an optimist.
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Well it appears they are letting samsung deal with customer service, as opposed to dealing with it in house (like the N1 initially). Although they did shift CS off to HTC sometime in may of last year.
Google is basically acting as a hands off broker at this point.
My assumption(and hope) though is that they are just using Samsung as a gateway for direct customer interaction, and not for actual software development. *crosses fingers*.
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My assumption(and hope) though is that they are just using Samsung as a gateway for direct customer interaction, and not for actual software development. *crosses fingers*.
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Google's never been good at customer service in that regard, with any product. Plus, unlike the Nexus One, Google never had anything to do with this phone's retail sales to the public.
If you read the rest of the twitter traffic on the @galaxySsupport account, there are numerous tweets that state the software is coming from Google, that Samsung doesn't even have change log knowledge, and that Google doesn't have to deal with carriers on this, and that Samsung isn't aware of what other fixes Google is working on.
Seems like Samsung's just the public voice in that light.
In semi-related news, the Vibrant will finally get 2.2. Roll outs start tomorrow. I think the most interesting thing to note in this report though is that Tmobile will be more strict about updating software.
Moving forward, T-Mobile will update all Android phones to new versions of the Android OS within 3-5 months after Google makes the new OS public. Smartphone users expecting frequent upgrades is “new to us”, Brodman said, “and we’re going to have to step up and change the way we do things.”
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/01/samsung-vibrant-froyo-update-coming-january-21st-tomorrow/
3-5 month is only a slight improvement, but does it change anybody's mind about the value of the Nexus line? Does it make not getting immediate updates slightly more tolerable?
What's also curious to me is, when exactly is the Nexus One going to get 2.3? The "coming weeks" has turned into a month now. Is this an indication for Nexus S owners at the end of 2011 or early 2012 when the next Nexus phone is released with the latest Android?
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In semi-related news, the Vibrant will finally get 2.2. Roll outs start tomorrow. I think the most interesting thing to note in this report though is that Tmobile will be more strict about updating software.
Moving forward, T-Mobile will update all Android phones to new versions of the Android OS within 3-5 months after Google makes the new OS public. Smartphone users expecting frequent upgrades is “new to us”, Brodman said, “and we’re going to have to step up and change the way we do things.”
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/01/samsung-vibrant-froyo-update-coming-january-21st-tomorrow/
3-5 month is only a slight improvement, but does it change anybody's mind about the value of the Nexus line? Does it make not getting immediate updates slightly more tolerable?
What's also curious to me is, when exactly is the Nexus One going to get 2.3? The "coming weeks" has turned into a month now. Is this an indication for Nexus S owners at the end of 2011 or early 2012 when the next Nexus phone is released with the latest Android?
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I don't think Tmobile's stance diminishes the value of the Nexus line at all and here is why: the point of the Nexus line has been to serve as a "developer phone." Its pure Android without bloat of any kind and that is why I love it. Any other phone on Tmo is going to have bloat and be laden with UIs and whatnot and some people like that. This just means that more people can get what they want with Android and stay up-to-date on software. I think its a great move on Tmo's part and I think it shows a lot of guts to hold manufacturers to that kind of a schedule. The true test will be to see how well it holds up in the real world.
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the point of the Nexus line has been to serve as a "developer phone."
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Show me a credible link from Google that says the Nexus S is a "developer phone". Please.
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Show me a credible link from Google that says the Nexus S is a "developer phone". Please.
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I was stating an opinion? I didn't realize I had to quote sources for my opinions.
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I was stating an opinion? I didn't realize I had to quote sources for my opinions.
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No, you don't have to quote sources for opinion, but you seemed to be stating that "the point of the Nexus line has been to serve as a "developer phone." " was a fact to support your opinion. Since I thought you were stating it as a fact, I would like to have seen something that supports that.
We've discussed that in some other thread here as well.
Plenty of people claim the Nexus S, and the Nexus "line" are intended as developer phones and throw it around as justification for buggy software and to dismiss complaints about the phone.
There's nothing I've seen from Google that says the Nexus S is a "developer phone", and someone linked an official list of developer phones, and the NS wasn't on it, and the N1 wasn't even on it until AFTER they pulled it from the Google Phone Store for sale to the public.
Not attacking you at all, just looking for clarification.
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No, you don't have to quote sources for opinion, but you seemed to be stating that "the point of the Nexus line has been to serve as a "developer phone." " was a fact to support your opinion. Since I thought you were stating it as a fact, I would like to have seen something that supports that.
We've discussed that in some other thread here as well.
Plenty of people claim the Nexus S, and the Nexus "line" are intended as developer phones and throw it around as justification for buggy software and to dismiss complaints about the phone.
There's nothing I've seen from Google that says the Nexus S is a "developer phone", and someone linked an official list of developer phones, and the NS wasn't on it, and the N1 wasn't even on it until AFTER they pulled it from the Google Phone Store for sale to the public.
Not attacking you at all, just looking for clarification.
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I'm sorry for the confusion then. All of my statements were conjecture and the reason I called it a "developer phone" and not a developer phone is that in spirit it seems to be something aimed more towards developers as this quote directly from the android developers blog imples:
The Nexus S, like the Nexus One before it, is designed to allow enthusiasts to install custom operating systems. Allowing your own boot image on a pure Nexus S is as simple as running fastboot oem unlock. It should be no surprise that modifying the operating system can give you root access to your phone. Hopefully that’s just the beginning of the changes you might make.
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The author of this article is an engineer on the Android Security team and he makes it quite clear that the point of the Nexus S and the Nexus One before it was to allow people to design software for their devices. When the term "developer phone" is thrown around generally, however, it usually means something other than how I use it; its a catch-all for, as you said, software bugs and any other OS issues which is not how I see a "developer phone". I see it as a phone that is designed to be hacked. And in that sense, it really is a "developer phone".
Excellent, and I agree!
Thanks.
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Plenty of people claim the Nexus S, and the Nexus "line" are intended as developer phones and throw it around as justification for buggy software and to dismiss complaints about the phone.
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Quoted for the truth. This could not be more accurate.
I like my Nexus S, but I've been a huge critic of Gingerbread, and to a lesser extent, of the "pure" stock/vanilla Android experience. It could stand to be improved a lot and is sorely in need of bug fixes/updates. Having said that, I would never argue on for the side of OEM skins either. I'm just saying, vanilla Android has its own share of problems.
Side note: you know what's one thing that bothers me, purely for lack of intuitiveness? Sometimes when you open a field that requires typing, the keyboard doesn't show up. It requires you to tap the empty field for the keyboard to come up. Or other times, if the keyboard does show up, the cursor will be at the beginning of the word as oppose to at the end, or as oppose to having the entire word you want to replace/edit highlighted. These unnecessary "extra steps" don't hinder the phone useless, of course, but just a nuisance that shouldn't exist on a "smart" phone.
/end side note.
Isn't every Android phone a developer phone? I'm a developer and I own more than 6 of them just for compatibility.
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Isn't every Android phone a developer phone? I'm a developer and I own more than 6 of them just for compatibility.
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The main difference is how easy the nexus s is to make open to roms. Most other devices require exploits to unlock the nand and bootloader whereas the nexus requires a single adb command.
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Want the bootloader keys? Lets all fight back!

To Motorola and for the rest of us,
I bought this phone originally because I read that the bootloader would be unlocked and I assumed fairly soon after. I, like most people, do not like motoblur. It is a slow, bloated, unfriendly interface that was forced upon me. Sadly, it is still forced upon me. So now that I thought I'd hold out and thought we'd get the keys, we didn't and it's too late to return this phone that had great promise.
What do I do now since I was dupped? I take away potential customers from Motorola. I've already convinced 3 of my friends not to get any of your phones and also a XOOM and who knows how many people they will tell my recommendations to?
You guys waste so much money on marketing and creating an image. This thing was suppose to blur the lines between computer and phone and you yourself are the ones who crippled that from being possible. Do you know what happens when you go to a sales agent at AT&T? They don't recommend the Atrix; a power user/person with knowledge of smartphones denies the customer from even considering it an option. Why would they do that? Because they know they can sell another phone that THEY like (easier to sell when you like it yourself) and they know the user won't come back and return against them, since they are paid commission.
Also, consider the demographic that probably bought this phone or considered it. They more than likely aren't the people who click 'Allow' when a website asks if it can install malware - those people bought iPhone's. The dual core CPU and webtop experience attracted the nerdier group - the power users and dev's - the exact people who don't want the limitations you put.
I know my post probably won't get heard by anyone important at moto but I know some of us owners/users/sympathizers will read this. The only thing I can hope is that we use the great tool we have and blog/tweet/status update/tell others. They won't listen to us, but they will listen to money. Take it away from them and they will listen.
FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS BUY MOTO! <---My facebook status and you should make it yours too!
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To Motorola and for the rest of us,
I bought this phone originally because I read that the bootloader would be unlocked and I assumed fairly soon after. I, like most people, do not like motoblur. It is a slow, bloated, unfriendly interface that was forced upon me. Sadly, it is still forced upon me. So now that I thought I'd hold out and thought we'd get the keys, we didn't and it's too late to return this phone that had great promise.
Moto wasn't forced upon you. You bought the phone with a locked bootloader and Motoblur installed! Buying the phone was your decision!
What do I do now since I was dupped? I take away potential customers from Motorola. I've already convinced 3 of my friends not to get any of your phones and also a XOOM and who knows how many people they will tell my recommendations to?
Just because Motorola hasn't unlocked the bootloader in what is your timeframe doesn't constitute you being duped! Once again, you bought the phone knowing it had a locked bootloader and Motoblur!
You guys waste so much money on marketing and creating an image. This thing was suppose to blur the lines between computer and phone and you yourself are the ones who crippled that from being possible. Do you know what happens when you go to a sales agent at AT&T? They don't recommend the Atrix; a power user/person with knowledge of smartphones denies the customer from even considering it an option. Why would they do that? Because they know they can sell another phone that THEY like (easier to sell when you like it yourself) and they know the user won't come back and return against them, since they are paid commission.
No salesperson tried to prevent me buying mine. In fact, to the contrary, they gave me all the options. I, like you, chose to purchase the Atrix! A power user doesn't need the sales persons help to choose what they want!
Also, consider the demographic that probably bought this phone or considered it. They more than likely aren't the people who click 'Allow' when a website asks if it can install malware - those people bought iPhone's. The dual core CPU and webtop experience attracted the nerdier group - the power users and dev's - the exact people who don't want the limitations you put.
Dare I say it again..............you bought the phone knowing the bootloader was locked and Motoblur was on it! Everyone who has bought the Atrix and considers themselves a power user knows/knew the same things
I know my post probably won't get heard by anyone important at moto but I know some of us owners/users/sympathizers will read this. The only thing I can hope is that we use the great tool we have and blog/tweet/status update/tell others. They won't listen to us, but they will listen to money. Take it away from them and they will listen.
Sell your Atrix..........take your *****ing to another forum............and on your way out, don't let the doorknob hit ya where the good lord split ya!
FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS WHINE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT A PRODUCT THEY BOUGHT KNOWING IT WASN'T WHAT THEY WANTED <---My facebook status and you should make it yours too!
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See above for my response to this!
*****ing about it will not accomplish anything and a large company such as Motorola wont be hurt by a few sales and honestly if I were your Facebook friend I would still buy this gadget, you know why? Its a great phone and there is still a chance that its bootloader will be unlocked eventually...just be patient.
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Actually, motorola explicitly stated they were going to unlock the bootloader from near the beginning - which was the reason I bought the phone. They used it as a selling point and they haven't addressed it at all...probably hoping it would be forgotten. Same thing with it being called a 4G phone, but it couldn't even attain 3G speeds up. They sold people on the idea that it would have the ability to access the fastest network speeds and people knew it didn't but still bought it. People *****ed, and now everyone (including your ungratefulness), got what they were told they were paying for.
A sales person may have not kept you, but it does happen more than in your case. As a matter of fact it happens fairly regularly. Usually a sales rep will lean towards one phone instead of another simply due to personal preference.
It is a great phone and great hardware without the ability to use it. This is a developers forum. If you don't want the ability to develop on this phone completely, why are you here? So you can seem all high and mighty? Maybe you're the one in the wrong forum or maybe you should just have a couple pitchers at a pub?
As far as a few sales not hurting it, that's not true at all. These phones aren't exactly flying off the shelves. As a matter of fact, this phone has a higher return rate than almost other smartphones. A returned phone costs much more overall than just not making a sale in the first place. The reason why they are going to do that is only because enough people are pissed about it that their current sales are hurting. They didn't spend money hiring people and R&D to create a locked bootloader if they didn't originally plan on keeping it locked for good.
You guys can tell people not to say anything or *****, but at the end of the day, you'll be the ones reaping the benefits of the people who did.
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*****ing about it will not accomplish anything and a large company such as Motorola wont be hurt by a few sales and honestly if I were your Facebook friend I would still buy this gadget, you know why? Its a great phone and there is still a chance that its bootloader will be unlocked eventually...just be patient.
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*****ing won't, but asking the right questions and showing that you are not the only one who is after this definitely gets some attention.
Kane4fire,
I really like your passion, it's just about making sure your message is heard and that you don't look like a troll.
Please look at some of the work I've been doing with Motorola, it's slow going but we are getting noticed.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/04/motorola-bootloader/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/26/motorola-promises-unlocked-bootloaders-for-future-android-phones/
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
http://www.facebook.com/unlockmoto
Cheers,
Irwin
Irwin, I have been seeing a lot of your work and group and etc. Personally, I'm not 100% convinced on them unlocking the bootloader for the Atrix since all the articles stated 'late 2011 releases' and the Atrix is early 2011.
The whole point of my post was for people who do post things and have some sort of a following to actually do something and post up as well on their own avenues. If you lose your dog, you don't just tell one or two people, you tell everyone and everything you can and it creates an exponential chain of people who end up knowing about it.
I personally know for a fact that at least in a small regional area they haven't done well with the XOOM and Atrix AT ALL and much of it actually has to do with Blur and it's problems with memory usage, battery life, and general lack of UI polish. I am sure that once the figures are out it will reflect how poorly they have been doing. It's a corporation and money is their motivator/reason for existence. I am sure if they hurt enough they will bow.
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Irwin, I have been seeing a lot of your work and group and etc. Personally, I'm not 100% convinced on them unlocking the bootloader for the Atrix since all the articles stated 'late 2011 releases' and the Atrix is early 2011.
The whole point of my post was for people who do post things and have some sort of a following to actually do something and post up as well on their own avenues. If you lose your dog, you don't just tell one or two people, you tell everyone and everything you can and it creates an exponential chain of people who end up knowing about it.
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Absolutely. I haven't ceased any of my activities since that PR mumbo jumbo they gave me.
I have a few contacts within Motorola that are being difficult to get a hold of, so I keep sending emails, I keep calling (international calls for me), I keep my facebook group going, I keep tweeting and spreading as far as I can.
I hope you also have similar luck in spreading the word and getting people to rally to the cause, just make sure not to dilute the message too much or get people opposed to you.
Good luck my friend, it's good to see the fire burns strong for you.
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Irwin, I have been seeing a lot of your work and group and etc. Personally, I'm not 100% convinced on them unlocking the bootloader for the Atrix since all the articles stated 'late 2011 releases' and the Atrix is early 2011.
The whole point of my post was for people who do post things and have some sort of a following to actually do something and post up as well on their own avenues. If you lose your dog, you don't just tell one or two people, you tell everyone and everything you can and it creates an exponential chain of people who end up knowing about it.
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Not to doubt your ability to read and understand the English language, but here is the actual quote:
“Motorola will enable an unlockable/relockable bootloader, currently found on Motorola Xoom, in future software releases where carrier and operator partners will allow it,” Motorola said in a statement provided to Wired.com. “It is our intention to include the unlockable/relockable bootloader in software releases starting in late 2011.”
Is the Atrix a software release? No. Maybe they will be pushing OTA updates starting in late 2011 which will allow for this.
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Not to doubt your ability to read and understand the English language, but here is the actual quote:
“Motorola will enable an unlockable/relockable bootloader, currently found on Motorola Xoom, in future software releases where carrier and operator partners will allow it,” Motorola said in a statement provided to Wired.com. “It is our intention to include the unlockable/relockable bootloader in software releases starting in late 2011.”
Is the Atrix a software release? No. Maybe they will be pushing OTA updates starting in late 2011 which will allow for this.
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Well, my mistake. I haven't been able to sleep. Either way, their choice of wording still doesn't mean they will actually provide the unlock since they have to convince the carrier to unlock it. I don't know what their terms were with AT&T, but why would they need permission to unlock a bootloader when it has nothing to do with the cellular network? AT&T is obviously going to say no on the matter since it means less possible anything for them to deal with. Then again I don't know. Maybe it was apart of the deal that they would lock the bootloader as a package to offer the phone on a particular network.
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Well, my mistake. I haven't been able to sleep. Either way, their choice of wording still doesn't mean they will actually provide the unlock since they have to convince the carrier to unlock it. I don't know what their terms were with AT&T, but why would they need permission to unlock a bootloader when it has nothing to do with the cellular network? AT&T is obviously going to say no on the matter since it means less possible anything for them to deal with. Then again I don't know. Maybe it was apart of the deal that they would lock the bootloader as a package to offer the phone on a particular network.
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Neither you or any other Atrix owner is entitled to an unlocked bootloader from Motorola. Just saying: You're not. At the same time, you're well within your rights to crack it yourself, or just get a different phone.
Edit: I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice of Motorola to package a completely open bootloader with the Gingerbread update. It would.
This absolutely does have something to do with AT&T. The AT&T Atrix was "built" for AT&T. There are contractual agreements in place.
So if AT&T says no, that is the answer. If you want a phone with an unlocked bootloader (in this case) then you need to buy one that will be unlocked - either the carrier approved it, or maybe we see an unlocked phone that is not tied to a carrier.
If you buy an AT&T (or other carrier) branded phone, then you are going to be stuck with that carriers decisions.
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This absolutely does have something to do with AT&T. The AT&T Atrix was "built" for AT&T. There are contractual agreements in place.
So if AT&T says no, that is the answer. If you want a phone with an unlocked bootloader (in this case) then you need to buy one that will be unlocked - either the carrier approved it, or maybe we see an unlocked phone that is not tied to a carrier.
If you buy an AT&T (or other carrier) branded phone, then you are going to be stuck with that carriers decisions.
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You say that, but then again there are many other Android phones on AT&T that /do/ have an unlocked bootloader. Captivate, Aria, Inspire, galaxy tab and most likely the Infuse. So again, maybe AT&T doesn't care and its up to the manufacturers.
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I am lost......if bloatware and motoblur are the issues you have with the phone why not just get rid of or freeze the bloatware and try a different launcher or Ginger/grey blur? I haven't had to deal with motoblur for a while.
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To Motorola and for the rest of us,
For one you and hackers on here kill me most brands like moto don't make phone people to replace a bootloarer that's not in there mind in the board meeting.That being said they built a phone that a normal person can pick up and download apps from marketplace from its like buying a new 2011 car getting it home and dropping the motor and tranny the new car is ment to drive of the lot now im not saying I want my atrix bootloader locked cause I don't and my G2x is not unlocked but you can't strike against a large company like moto your little voices still mean nothing do them unless where on there board they care less.
I bought this phone originally because I read that the bootloader would be unlocked and I assumed fairly soon after. I, like most people, do not like motoblur. It is a slow, bloated, unfriendly interface that was forced upon me. Sadly, it is still forced upon me. So now that I thought I'd hold out and thought we'd get the keys, we didn't and it's too late to return this phone that had great promise.
What do I do now since I was dupped? I take away potential customers from Motorola. I've already convinced 3 of my friends not to get any of your phones and also a XOOM and who knows how many people they will tell my recommendations to?
You guys waste so much money on marketing and creating an image. This thing was suppose to blur the lines between computer and phone and you yourself are the ones who crippled that from being possible. Do you know what happens when you go to a sales agent at AT&T? They don't recommend the Atrix; a power user/person with knowledge of smartphones denies the customer from even considering it an option. Why would they do that? Because they know they can sell another phone that THEY like (easier to sell when you like it yourself) and they know the user won't come back and return against them, since they are paid commission.
Also, consider the demographic that probably bought this phone or considered it. They more than likely aren't the people who click 'Allow' when a website asks if it can install malware - those people bought iPhone's. The dual core CPU and webtop experience attracted the nerdier group - the power users and dev's - the exact people who don't want the limitations you put.
I know my post probably won't get heard by anyone important at moto but I know some of us owners/users/sympathizers will read this. The only thing I can hope is that we use the great tool we have and blog/tweet/status update/tell others. They won't listen to us, but they will listen to money. Take it away from them and they will listen.
FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS BUY MOTO! <---My facebook status and you should make it yours too!
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You say that, but then again there are many other Android phones on AT&T that /do/ have an unlocked bootloader. Captivate, Aria, Inspire, galaxy tab and most likely the Infuse. So again, maybe AT&T doesn't care and its up to the manufacturers.
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^^^ If Moto scapegoats AT&T over this, it would not be good for business.
knigitz said:
Not to doubt your ability to read and understand the English language, but here is the actual quote:
“Motorola will enable an unlockable/relockable bootloader, currently found on Motorola Xoom, in future software releases where carrier and operator partners will allow it,” Motorola said in a statement provided to Wired.com. “It is our intention to include the unlockable/relockable bootloader in software releases starting in late 2011.”
Is the Atrix a software release? No. Maybe they will be pushing OTA updates starting in late 2011 which will allow for this.
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It's rumored that Moto will be the manufacturer for the next generation Google Nexus branded device, which is supposedly to be released ~Q4 2011. Maybe this is what they are referring to. Who knows. All I do know is that quote from moto didn't say anything about the Atrix.
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For one you and hackers on here kill me most brands like moto don't make phone people to replace a bootloarer that's not in there mind in the board meeting.That being said they built a phone that a normal person can pick up and download apps from marketplace from its like buying a new 2011 car getting it home and dropping the motor and tranny the new car is ment to drive of the lot now im not saying I want my atrix bootloader locked cause I don't and my G2x is not unlocked but you can't strike against a large company like moto your little voices still mean nothing do them unless where on there board they care less.
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Holy ****. Longest, most rambling sentence I've ever seen.
Other att phones have locked bootloaders but they where easily exploited. Htc and the other manufacturers are making them harder and harder to unlock. Att most likely is in contract with moto to keep it locked. With it locked they have more chances of making more money off the bloatware.
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Neither you or any other Atrix owner is entitled to an unlocked bootloader from Motorola. Just saying: You're not. At the same time, you're well within your rights to crack it yourself, or just get a different phone.
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yeah, why should people who plunk down hundreds of dollars be able to do what they want with something they own?
the nerve of some people wanting to use their devices as they see fit.
jbe4 said:
yeah, why should people who plunk down hundreds of dollars be able to do what they want with something they own?
the nerve of some people wanting to use their devices as they see fit.
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You pay for the product, not the ability to tweak it to your heart's content. You don't see a $200 iPhone coming readily available to modify, do you? No. You have to jailbreak it first, if there's a jailbreak available.
As for kane's comment about motorola saying they'd unlock the bootloader from "near the beginning".... there was never such a statement that i've seen. I've seen stuff on the Motorola Owners Forum stating that a possible bootloader solution was being looked into... but nothing more than that. period.
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You pay for the product, not the ability to tweak it to your heart's content. You don't see a $200 iPhone coming readily available to modify, do you? No. You have to jailbreak it first, if there's a jailbreak available.
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by paying for the product I've paid to do what I want with it - If I want to use it as a way of leveling a kitchen chair thats my prerogative.
I think its just as patently offensive that Apple does it too
regardless, Android was/is billed as the Open Source alternative specifically to address the nonsense that is the itunes store and the draconian oversight of overbearing manufacturers. To have individual manufacturers go against the spirit of what google was/is trying to accomplish when they released AndroidOS seems just a bit ridiculous, dont you think?

Are the people who work for HTC USA brain dead?

DISCLAIMER: I posted this on Android Central and reposting here with the same title in the hopes that someone from HTC will read it and maybe do something about it (doubtful but worth a shot).
After the updating debacle that has taken place with their previous phones, how in the world is it possible for HTC to take so long to release updates for the HTC One in the USA? It isn't like the update isn't finished yet b/c it's been available in other parts of the world for over a month now! They also can't blame the carriers b/c they haven't released the update for the unlocked 32 GB or the 64GB develop editions either! This can only be attributed to the fact that the people who work in their USA offices are either 1. brain dead or 2. are sitting on their hands and simply willing to let the company go into bankruptcy.
HTC stated when the One was released that it would receive a TIMELY update to 4.2.2 but even I'll admit I was foolish to fall for their nonsense once again. I'm done...I will never purchase another device from HTC again. If they want to know why they're continuing to lose market share even with the best device on the market, it's b/c their company has AWFUL customer support, they don't communicate with their customers at all, and they simply don't stand by their word or their products. They haven't even made a single statement regarding why the US release has been delayed...it's simply a joke.
I'm sorry for posting this simply to vent but at this point it's 100% justified and HTC deserves the backlash they're receiving.
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DISCLAIMER: I posted this on Android Central and reposting here with the same title in the hopes that someone from HTC will read it and maybe do something about it (doubtful but worth a shot).
After the updating debacle that has taken place with their previous phones, how in the world is it possible for HTC to take so long to release updates for the HTC One in the USA? It isn't like the update isn't finished yet b/c it's been available in other parts of the world for over a month now! They also can't blame the carriers b/c they haven't released the update for the unlocked 32 GB or the 64GB develop editions either! This can only be attributed to the fact that the people who work in their USA offices are either 1. brain dead or 2. are sitting on their hands and simply willing to let the company go into bankruptcy.
HTC stated when the One was released that it would receive a TIMELY update to 4.2.2 but even I'll admit I was foolish to fall for their nonsense once again. I'm done...I will never purchase another device from HTC again. If they want to know why they're continuing to lose market share even with the best device on the market, it's b/c their company has AWFUL customer support, they don't communicate with their customers at all, and they simply don't stand by their word or their products. They haven't even made a single statement regarding why the US release has been delayed...it's simply a joke.
I'm sorry for posting this simply to vent but at this point it's 100% justified and HTC deserves the backlash they're receiving.
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Amen brother!
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I've been pinging @HTC on Twitter asking for ANY information regarding 4.2.2 on the unlocked US phone. NOT ONE reply.
gunnyman said:
I've been pinging @HTC on Twitter asking for ANY information regarding 4.2.2 on the unlocked US phone. NOT ONE reply.
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I think we need to make this a viral thing, the only way they will listen is if we stand together.
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Most phones I've had, with 4.2.2 , has been buggy, had bad battery drain issues, and hasn't added a whole lot more than what we have with 4.1.2.
For me, the best version of android, was gingerbread. I would easily run gingerbread on this phone if I could!!
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Most phones I've had, with 4.2.2 , has been buggy, had bad battery drain issues, and hasn't added a whole lot more than what we have with 4.1.2.
For me, the best version of android, was gingerbread. I would easily run gingerbread on this phone if I could!!
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Totally irrelevant to this conversation. This update has been available in all other regions of the world for a month now. The fact that the US hasn't received it has nothing to do with bugginess or anything else. It's simply HTC being HTC.
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I think we need to make this a viral thing, the only way they will listen is if we stand together.
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The problem is getting any kind of coverage to raise awareness. The publication sites where coverage would lead to going viral also receive large advertising $ from HTC and affiliates. They don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.
Check out, galaxy s3 , Sony Xperia zl , galaxy s2, a lot of people are reverting back to android 4.1.2
You seem like a hard to please guy, if HTC released 4.2.2 and it was buggy, you would be complaining again.
It wasn't totally irrelevant.
Get a grip
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markdexter said:
Check out, galaxy s3 , Sony Xperia zl , galaxy s2, a lot of people are reverting back to android 4.1.2
You seem like a hard to please guy, if HTC released 4.2.2 and it was buggy, you would be complaining again.
It wasn't totally irrelevant.
Get a grip
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They DID release it! Just not in the USA for some reason. That's the problem.
I'd be very happy with an announcement saying hey we found bugs and are fixing them or hey we decided to skip 4.2 and go to 4.3. But the silence is ridiculous.
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They DID release it! Just not in the USA for some reason. That's the problem.
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The reason is HTC 's primary market is China. The rest of europ also runs the same M7 model. The US is always going to be the black sheep of the tech world when it comes to getting timely updates due to how our carriers all have something different. Sprint being the blackest of the sheep with their CDMA crap, etc.
That doesn't explain the silence regarding the unlocked models sold directly by htc.
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The reason is HTC 's primary market is China. The rest of europ also runs the same M7 model. The US is always going to be the black sheep of the tech world when it comes to getting timely updates due to how our carriers all have something different. Sprint being the blackest of the sheep with their CDMA crap, etc.
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Once again the unlocked and developer edition models don't need any carrier approval so this is not a legitimate excuse.
gunnyman said:
I'd be very happy with an announcement saying hey we found bugs and are fixing them or hey we decided to skip 4.2 and go to 4.3. But the silence is ridiculous.
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What's ridiculous is people complaining about manufacturer updates on xda-developers forums.... If the phone was locked down like the DNA was for a while I'd understand. But it isn't. You can have just about any software on your phone that you wanted. Not that many unlocked were sold in the US and if you bought a dev edition id imagine theyd assume you know what to do to get the latest greatest... Not really something HTC is going to lose sleep over
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Once again the unlocked and developer edition models don't need any carrier approval so this is not a legitimate excuse.
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Same problem in Australia. I get carrier delays, but what is the issue with unlocked models?
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xcesivemastub8ah said:
What's ridiculous is people complaining about manufacturer updates on xda-developers forums.... If the phone was locked down like the DNA was for a while I'd understand. But it isn't. You can have just about any software on your phone that you wanted. Not that many unlocked were sold in the US and if you bought a dev edition id imagine theyd assume you know what to do to get the latest greatest... Not really something HTC is going to lose sleep over
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Unreleased software also means unreleased kernel sources. 4.2.2 based roms like Cyanogenmod 10 would be so much better with released 4.2.2 source dontcha think?
NextNexus said:
DISCLAIMER: I posted this on Android Central and reposting here with the same title in the hopes that someone from HTC will read it and maybe do something about it (doubtful but worth a shot).
After the updating debacle that has taken place with their previous phones, how in the world is it possible for HTC to take so long to release updates for the HTC One in the USA? It isn't like the update isn't finished yet b/c it's been available in other parts of the world for over a month now! They also can't blame the carriers b/c they haven't released the update for the unlocked 32 GB or the 64GB develop editions either! This can only be attributed to the fact that the people who work in their USA offices are either 1. brain dead or 2. are sitting on their hands and simply willing to let the company go into bankruptcy.
HTC stated when the One was released that it would receive a TIMELY update to 4.2.2 but even I'll admit I was foolish to fall for their nonsense once again. I'm done...I will never purchase another device from HTC again. If they want to know why they're continuing to lose market share even with the best device on the market, it's b/c their company has AWFUL customer support, they don't communicate with their customers at all, and they simply don't stand by their word or their products. They haven't even made a single statement regarding why the US release has been delayed...it's simply a joke.
I'm sorry for posting this simply to vent but at this point it's 100% justified and HTC deserves the backlash they're receiving.
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Lol at the bankruptcy statement. Timely updates are definitely not what is going to bankrupt HTC
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Quis89 said:
Lol at the bankruptcy statement. Timely updates are definitely not what is going to bankrupt HTC
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Poor update timing affects customer loyalty which affects future sales.
NextNexus said:
Poor update timing affects customer loyalty which affects future sales.
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HTC must be quaking in their boots with this thread you have started, this thread could bankrupt HTC!!!
Does your phone work? Can you make and receive calls?? If yes, then what's the issue? What feature/features do you want the most from 4.2.2??
Please buddy, who really cares?? Your ranting about something you can flash right now, go to the development section, plenty of 4.2.2 roms there choose one, flash away, I'm sure the devs here will do a better job than HTC will!!
For me I've owned over 15 different android phones, this phones beats them all, it has everything. The best battery life I've ever had!
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NextNexus said:
Poor update timing affects customer loyalty which affects future sales.
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You are on XDA DEVELOPERS? If you have found the forum find the info you need and put 4.2 onto the phone. I don't care how fast a carrier does or doesn't update a phone because I do not buy phone based on that. I buy them based on developer support and let me tell you this phone has that in plenty. I agree it is BS that HTC Sony and others can not get timely updates but having hardware venders that provide crappy software support is nothing new to me. Been going on for 20 years. You ever own a sound blaster product??? So now that you have yelled and gotten it off your chest go on over to the DEV section and do something about it.

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