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Oh man... Droid X is geeting froyo before vibrant

Verizon just announced to today that Droid X is gonna be getting froyo on the 22nd of September. This really suck!!!! I need some froyo...
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Here you go, now quit whining froyo

that looks so ****ing good.

Verizon is also a much larger company.

Yes, Moto/Verizon do a great job..
If they r not using CDMA, I will definitely use Verizon and choose Moto..

jayprime said:
Verizon just announced to today that Droid X is gonna be getting froyo on the 22nd of September. This really suck!!!! I need some froyo...
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you mean the Droid x that was released before the vibrant is getting it first... I'm shocked...?....

laristech said:
Verizon is also a much larger company.
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This is why t-mobile should tell manufacturers they only want vanilla android phones. They would get updates faster AND they wouldn't need to modify them before release. It would bee cheaper for them and it would make customers happy.
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dan0zone said:
you mean the Droid x that was released before the vibrant is getting it first... I'm shocked...?....
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Yes! This is so not right
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Tpavey said:
This is why t-mobile should tell manufacturers they only want vanilla android phones. They would get updates faster AND they wouldn't need to modify them before release. It would bee cheaper for them and it would make customers happy.
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That's all fine and wonderful, but the Galaxy S wasn't Vanilla on any of the four major US carriers so that doesn't really matter here does it?

dan0zone said:
you mean the Droid x that was released before the vibrant is getting it first... I'm shocked...?....
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If I remember correctly, the Droid X, Vibrant, and Captivate had release dates that were within a week or two from each other.
Either way, it's pretty sad news to hear the Spain division of Samsung is now claiming the Froyo release to happen around "late October." I wonder what's really going to happen when late October rolls around...."late November?"
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/21/samsung-mobile-spain-pegs-galaxy-s-update-for-late-october/

Tpavey said:
This is why t-mobile should tell manufacturers they only want vanilla android phones. They would get updates faster AND they wouldn't need to modify them before release. It would bee cheaper for them and it would make customers happy.
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It would hardly make customers happy. If T-Mobile were to deny every handset with a custom UI, they would have what, 2 Android phones? Maybe 3 since 2008?
T-Mobile has been ragged on in the past for being the carrier that never steps up to the plate to offer the latest and greatest phones. They are now starting to come out of that with all of these new Android phones and eventually later this year, Windows Phone 7. Why would they regress?

I think he is just trying to say that if T-Mobile insisted that devices be loaded with Vanilla Android than we could get updates faster, not to deny any of the handsets, just tell Samsung, "Hey, our Galaxy S phone needs to be Vanilla Android, Thanks"
So we would still get the killer phones, but with Vanilla Android rather than a custom Android that needs further development after Vanilla is released. (The Plausibility as to the phone manufacturers actually saying "Okay, no problem!" is debatable but I do believe that is what he is getting at.)

rjwisniewski said:
That's all fine and wonderful, but the Galaxy S wasn't Vanilla on any of the four major US carriers so that doesn't really matter here does it?
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Actually, the Galaxy S OS has never been Vanila. It is modified and locked first by Samsung, then modified again at the behest of the US carriers.
It's basically a mess.
That's why it will take ages to update.
The whole Android open-source idea is being destroyed by both carriers and manufacturers, who modify it enough to be able to lock it and prevent software upgrades, so they can sell the next hardware version to the suckers.

MacGuy2006 said:
Actually, the Galaxy S OS has never been Vanila. It is modified and locked first by Samsung, then modified again at the behest of the US carriers.
It's basically a mess.
That's why it will take ages to update.
The whole Android open-source idea is being destroyed by both carriers and manufacturers, who modify it enough to be able to lock it and prevent software upgrades, so they can sell the next hardware version to the suckers.
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I've been seeing this opinion more and more and it makes me sad to think that the beautiful (yet idealistic) concept of Android is being corrupted. The OS being fragmented between devices and manufacturers bogging down amazing hardware with unnecessary crap has the potential to seriously harm Android imo.

MacGuy2006 said:
Actually, the Galaxy S OS has never been Vanila. It is modified and locked first by Samsung, then modified again at the behest of the US carriers.
It's basically a mess.
That's why it will take ages to update.
The whole Android open-source idea is being destroyed by both carriers and manufacturers, who modify it enough to be able to lock it and prevent software upgrades, so they can sell the next hardware version to the suckers.
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In the traditional sense, you are correct. However, Samsung has taken a different approach in regards to their Android offerings. I would hazard to say that it isn't actually "locked" by Samsung, as you put it. Maybe a little by T-Mobile.
However, Samsung has made it clear that they are supporting the development community. The source code for each US variant is available as a free download on their website. Rooting the device was intentionally left open by Samsung (although T-Mobile might lock it via updates). The carrier unlock codes are blatantly available on the device if you know where to look, and there is even an app that will give it to you for free with no effort. They have opened up multiple channels for support (Twitter, Facebook, phone, website) for it's users and even respond to development questions. I've even seen a couple of reports of Samsung support helping people out who have bricked devices.
In a sense, Samsung has become the most open Android handset manufacturer. Doesn't sound to me that Samsung has gone to great lengths to "lock" the Galaxy S out of development, as you put it.

I've read it a few times before about Froyo for the Vibrant not coming until the G2 is released, which isn't too far away. But then "rumor"(i know, rumors aren't always true), Samsung will release a Galaxy Slider phone and skip 2.2 for the Vibrant and push everyone to G2 or the new Galaxy phone.. I hope this isn't the case.

I think tmobile will release froyo after they see how the g2 does on the market... Because the vibrant is a beast without it, so just imagine what it will be like with it. The g2 might not do that great with vibrant running froyo... Imo
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monsta34 said:
I think tmobile will release froyo after they see how the g2 does on the market... Because the vibrant is a beast without it, so just imagine what it will be like with it. The g2 might not do that great with vibrant running froyo... Imo
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Two very different phones. G2 is going to be the next dev phone. Vanilla android. It will get the updates first. It will likely run MUCH faster than it's specs would indicate (see G1) because it will be optimized. Also, it has a keyboard.
Vibrant has a Samsung SAMOLED display and, currently, the fasted GPU out.
There may be fewer people who jump to the G2 from a Vibrant if it got Froyo now, but I cannot imagine it would impact those who don't have a Vibrant now. The majority of users really couldn't tell the difference, and many T-mobile sales reps in the stores wouldn't be able to inform them. The 1% of the Android community that comes here doesn't mean anything to T-mobile especially since these are likely the same people who optimize their bills to pay the least amount possible.

monsta34 said:
I think tmobile will release froyo after they see how the g2 does on the market... Because the vibrant is a beast without it, so just imagine what it will be like with it. The g2 might not do that great with vibrant running froyo... Imo
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I doubt it, I don't even think Tmobile know that difference between Eclair and Froyo, they will just be confused as to why we are talking about deserts..

MacGuy2006 said:
The whole Android open-source idea is being destroyed by both carriers and manufacturers, who modify it enough to be able to lock it and prevent software upgrades, so they can sell the next hardware version to the suckers.
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I thought I read that Google was removing the ability (or restricting?) to customize Gingerbread when they release it, basically unifying the device platform across the board so if you had 3.0 or greater, it was all the same vanilla android without custom carrier and/or device modifications. If that is the case, than obviously even Google has seen the butchery of their original concept and are looking to rectify it. (End User's would still be able to mod the hell out of it I'm sure, but they wouldn't allow device Manufacturers and carriers to modify the OS right from the get go).
I could be wrong, I have read a lot of stuff lately lol...

Gingerbread is what we all should want but.......

Being a previous samsung owner (behold 2) I don't think that the first galaxy s line will get it. Why??? Cause samsung is already in the process of making a second galaxy s line. Just like in the armed forces how they send out the army first(vibrant, epic, captivate) then the navy, then air forces. Well that's what samsung is doing. If you think I'm just spitting out bull check out the new galaxy s phone sprint is about to get. It is keyboard less and is coming out months after the epic 4g. Why would they need 2 galaxy s phones when they already have 1 with a keyboard and an evo???
I truly think we are gonna get froyo in october but nothing after that. I'm not mad though I'm just gonna get a g2 but this is crazy how phone companies operate these days all due to android fragmentation.
Link to new galaxy s for sprint
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/30/samsung-transform-kyocera-zio-headed-to-sprint/
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Meh, the dev scene should be fully up and running by that point. Personally at that point I couldn't care less if Samsung doesn't update.
They've already proven that they don't give a **** about their appearance in the world (really, you ship a broken phone to four carriers in the US and to ~30 other countries around the world and expect anyone to take you seriously), so let them continue to shoot themselves in the foot.
Just my $.02

tjhart85 said:
Meh, the dev scene should be fully up and running by that point. Personally at that point I couldn't care less if Samsung doesn't update.
They've already proven that they don't give a **** about their appearance in the world (really, you ship a broken phone to four carriers in the US and to ~30 other countries around the world and expect anyone to take you seriously), so let them continue to shoot themselves in the foot.
Just my $.02
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yeah, I've pretty much bought my last Samsung product. With ViewSonic entering the TV market and LG having as good a picture quality as Samsung already I don't need them for that, and as for phones/tablets? Well fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME.

Im calling tmobile and emailing executive support to get a refund or a replacement with a g2
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creglenn said:
Im calling tmobile and emailing executive support to get a refund or a replacement with a g2
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Good for you. And again, like everyone else, thank you so much for sharing your personal shopping preferences with us. Without well thought out, logical, factual, and rational statements such as yours the world would be a much worse place to live in. I am sure I speak for everyone here in thanking you for letting us know where you stand and that your presence will truly be missed in the Vibrant community.
We hope you will enjoy your new bug-free,super awesome, no problems at all G2 that is sure to have Honeycomb as soon as it is available as well.

Boohoo. Stop flooding this forum with stupid topics when there is already plenty others.

If you care so much about getting the newest OS on your phone, go get a N1 or N2 I am sure you will get the newest OS as soon as it came out.

Ibtl
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And a HUGE boo hoo back at the 4 crybabies above this post.
Samsung is building a reputation of not supporting their products after the sale.
This is something the community needs to be kept aware of so other people don't make the mistake of buying their hardware with its good looking specs.
I'm fed up with companies releasing product (or more like the product escaping) before it is finished as well.
And as a final comment to the 4 whiners above, if you don't like this thread no one forced you to read it. Do something productive and contribute to the community, even if it is just a warning to future buyers not to buy from a given company instead of trying to tear down what someone else is doing.

I'm starting to think it was a mistake even registering an account on this forum, Lol.
There are way too many fanbois.

DKYang said:
Boohoo. Stop flooding this forum with stupid topics when there is already plenty others.
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Nothing wrong with wanting Gingerbread, and expecting it, if the hardware supports it.
Samsung should manage its product support better. Way better.

Froyo roms?

I'm thinking about buying the fascinate are there any froyo roms available?
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yea you can get one here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838803

Hahahahahah. That's great

elarson006 said:
yea you can get one here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838803
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He is not only new to XDA, he is new to the Fascinate area. Maybe he should have searched first, but perhaps just saying no, see this thread, would have been a bit nicer.

Not to offend my fellow Fascinate users, but if I were buying soon and wanted Froyo, I would want someone to tell me to either suck it up, or hold out for something else.
Being a pessimist, I'd say that updates to this phone are being sat upon for commercial reasons. To sell more devices at the right timing. But that is likely bitterness for naively convincing myself that there'd be a major patch in November.
Being the eternal optimist that I am, HTC is due for a new android phone. They are blowing our the old incredibles, free in some cases. With luck whatever it is will launch in two months. It would undoubtedly have a more current OS than 2.1.
However, Eclair is in fact pretty nice. The biggest thing that would change for me is the ability to run a handful of updated apps.
Bottom line, no need to take it out on the new guy.
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way to turn a new guys question into a useless thread.
all variations of the galaxy devices have received updates to froyo in various parts of the world, however no galaxy device has seen the update yet in the USA. The majority of creditable websites list the fascinate, along with the other galaxy variants as a device very likely to receive the froyo update. However, nobody knows when that will be, for a long time everyone thought by the end of november, now they think by the end of december. Personally I would say youll probably see something by march, but thats just my own personal speculation.
With that said, people are less likely to help you out if you dont search first, as you can see haha

Like most ppl are saying on the forums, I also think that the froyo update in the usa is always delayed because of the carriers customization and bloatwares. And knowing verizon, we're probably going to be the last one to get the phone as we were also the last to get the phone.
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He's not new. Just new to google though.
Eclair is fine.
good day.

And the dog that is chopper makes an appearance.
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soba49 said:
Being a pessimist, I'd say that updates to this phone are being sat upon for commercial reasons. To sell more devices at the right timing. But that is likely bitterness for naively convincing myself that there'd be a major patch in November.
Being the eternal optimist that I am, HTC is due for a new android phone. They are blowing our the old incredibles, free in some cases. With luck whatever it is will launch in two months. It would undoubtedly have a more current OS than 2.1.
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lol, a pessimistic optimist?
Verizon is slow to test, they always have been, nothing new. They're gonna load their crap on it, you can bet on that (although there are rumors flying that 2.2 will debing the phone), but they gotta get it tested ok first.
I could see commercial reasons, in that they don't want to compete with the Droid line during the holiday season, being valid. They might have a better deal in place with the Droid branded phones as opposed to the non droid ones.

evo 2.3.4 udate coming june 9th??????????

Originally Posted by BlueScreen
HTC, Sprint, and Google hope you are enjoying the latest update to a device that set the standard for all mobile devices to follow nearly a year ago(EVO 4G). Important to note that a water down version of Gingerbread be introduced first because of EVO 4G mass popularity. Functionaliity had to be first and for most. Repeating mistakes made by other carriers was not going to be acceptable by the EVO community. This update addresses some of the pressing concerns by the EVO community. Once we are satisfied no major issues are associated with current upgrade we will proceed with 2.3.4 If no major issues other than Netflix you can expect June 9th 2.3.4 OTA update.
2.3.4 will include:
1) Landscape for home screen
2) Gingerbread keyboard option
3) Further performance improvements
4) Video chat (Google)
5) Sense UI update
Like EVO 3D we are listening to what the expectations are from the community.
BSOD
P.S. Netflix will be updated and streaming ASAP as this issue is being resolved. Expect an update with in 24hrs at the latest Monday June 6th.
^^^^^^ that would be awesome!!!!

nasseem said:
Originally Posted by BlueScreen
^^^^^^ that would be awesome!!!!
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Yeah! That would be! So would unicorns!
the non-flaming version: who the hell is BlueScreen? And why should I care?
(edit: I remember that guy now, bah. that guy will say anything to get a rise.)
(EDIT/PS, I do appreciate the OP posting the info, I don'r go to the site he posts on. So a thanks to you. Not actually bashing you.)

That's good news... if it's true. thanks for the info.
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i dont believe one word of it. sorry

billbowers said:
That's good news... if it's true. thanks for the info.
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i seem to recall this bluescreen guy making numerous "predictions" that seem to always fall through and he comes up with some excuse like, "they used a different test device than mine" blah blah blah yet people still buy it and believe him for some unknown reason.
edit" like this BS "insider info" http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-3d/302508-evo-4g-successor-evo-3d-bsod-thread.html what a tool, please if you have a shred of intelligence, you will not believe a word of this unless it comes from a more reliable source

i hope its true

would be great. but im about 99.9% sure this is BS.

why is everyone so negative (or at least people who decide to comment). This post is for people who want the update, not people who want to bash our phones' manufacturer.
You need to realize that we don't have the only phone that hTc makes, and from what I hear about older hTc phones, they are keeping us way more updated than their older phones and just about every other phone on the market (with the exception of the nexus, for obvious reasons).
Just take the news, whether you choose to believe it or not, and enjoy your day. We don't need all of this bashing crap.
I'll step down from my soapbox now...
The update will be awesome. It sounds right on track from an email that I got from hTc that said they should have the update by the end of the second quarter, which is June. So, I hope it is true.
I also hope that they fix the bluetooth stack (Wiimote) so that I can get off of CM and back to Sense

I see he's moved over here from another forum.....smh
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The spelling and grammar were the most convincing parts IMHO!
Seriosly tho, I would guess no sense update or 2.3.4 until post Evo/Sensation launch. Why cannibalize your own sales?
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FattySparks said:
why is everyone so negative (or at least people who decide to comment). This post is for people who want the update, not people who want to bash our phones' manufacturer.
I'll step down from my soapbox now...
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so you're saying that we should never call out what is likely total BS, from a known BS'er? (BSOD, not the OP) that people can just post whatever they want, and as long as it's something you want to hear, if we disagree, we are "negative"?
as far as I know, part of the function of this XDA community is to provide good information, and point out things that are rumor at best, complete horseshite more often than not.
i'd rather not come to June 9th, and have people actually wonder why BSODs "information" didn't happen.

Well, for me is not make sense that they released a new update yesterday and them release another one on june 9.

I don't take anything this dude says serious.
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If it was true that would be awesome. But until then I'm not holding my breath,We already have sweet roms in the dev section anyway..
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it would be sweet if the update could be rooted. then with a stable gb core combines with the devs that come up with awesome roms - perfect.
cos now i like a lot of others are stuck.
regards,
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nasseem said:
Originally Posted by BlueScreen
HTC, Sprint, and Google hope you are enjoying the latest update to a device that set the standard for all mobile devices to follow nearly a year ago(EVO 4G). Important to note that a water down version of Gingerbread be introduced first because of EVO 4G mass popularity. Functionaliity had to be first and for most. Repeating mistakes made by other carriers was not going to be acceptable by the EVO community. This update addresses some of the pressing concerns by the EVO community. Once we are satisfied no major issues are associated with current upgrade we will proceed with 2.3.4 If no major issues other than Netflix you can expect June 9th 2.3.4 OTA update.
2.3.4 will include:
1) Landscape for home screen
2) Gingerbread keyboard option
3) Further performance improvements
4) Video chat (Google)
5) Sense UI update
Like EVO 3D we are listening to what the expectations are from the community.
BSOD
P.S. Netflix will be updated and streaming ASAP as this issue is being resolved. Expect an update with in 24hrs at the latest Monday June 6th.
^^^^^^ that would be awesome!!!!
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um... is this guy saying that that is what officials are saying... or just his words? looks to me like nothing official... here's why:
HTC, Sprint, and Google hope you are enjoying the latest update to a device that set the standard for all mobile devices to follow nearly a year ago(EVO 4G)....... Functionaliity had to be first and for most.
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Correct grammar: "HTC, Sprint, and Google; 'Hope you are enjoying the latest update to a device that set the standard for all mobile device industries to follow nearly a year ago(EVO 4G)........ Functionaliity has to be first and foremost'."
That's just a few of the instant 'red flags'.... I would say not legit.

2.3.4 before the 3D seems like an unwise move from a marketing stand point, especially with 3D coming out. Then again, the biggest allure besides GB is 3D, processing power, and Sense 3, so maybe an immidiate update is not as crazy as we think.
Still, I wouldn't bet on it.
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FattySparks said:
why is everyone so negative (or at least people who decide to comment). This post is for people who want the update, not people who want to bash our phones' manufacturer.
You need to realize that we don't have the only phone that hTc makes, and from what I hear about older hTc phones, they are keeping us way more updated than their older phones and just about every other phone on the market (with the exception of the nexus, for obvious reasons).
Just take the news, whether you choose to believe it or not, and enjoy your day. We don't need all of this bashing crap.
I'll step down from my soapbox now...
The update will be awesome. It sounds right on track from an email that I got from hTc that said they should have the update by the end of the second quarter, which is June. So, I hope it is true.
I also hope that they fix the bluetooth stack (Wiimote) so that I can get off of CM and back to Sense
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i think the conversation may have went a bit over your head and ability to comprehend. no one was "bashing" htc but bsod. he is a know bull**** slinger. this "info" is just more made up bs, it is NOT info from htc or google but from some pompous attention whore

HTC announced the June 6th update. Why not announce the June 9th update....makes no sense- literaly. But thanks for the info OP.
via EVO.

lol...
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Great job Samsung!

Everybody always whines about Samsung and their update policy, but if we look at the facts, In 1 year and 2 months, Samsung has offered 4 major updates, 2.2, 2.2.1, 2.3.3 and 2.3.4. And the software itself, the progress it has made. I call it amazing.
The galaxy s came with 2.1, eclair. I think everyone should flash that and use it for a week. If you would compare the 2.1 with 2.3.4, i think that samsung did a great job fixing the bugs and finally getting the most out of this amazing phone.
I do think that after 2.3.4 we can't expect another major update, 4 updates is already better then everyone would have expected.
So I think that Samsung is doing better then other companies in terms of updating, And people should stop saying that Samsung is a ****ty company because of their support.
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+1 Agreed...............................

I agree too, however don't forget that eclair was truly awful software and samsung had no choice than to get their act together as the sgs was a flagship phone and they could of lost out hugely if they hadn't given us something worth talking about! And still on rfs?! I give them their credit, but only so much!
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Boaf... for as far as I'm concerned, we're still stuck with Froyo 2.2 here in Canada!
Never have I seen 2.2.1 nor any sort of leaked Gingerbread version here either... not mentionning the total lack of communication from Samsung Canada when asking for ETA's.
So please excuse me as I do not share your optimism at all!
P.S.: My phone's warranty is over as of today. Last time we updated to Froyo, we could count the bricked SGS by the thousands here in Canada because of faulty hardware. What's going to happen if the same sh** happens this time again?!

Blame bell, not samsung!

t1mman said:
Blame bell, not samsung!
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Wrong, Bell has nothing to do with the update. It's all on Samsung on this one.
Bell's other phones have already received the updates. Samsung creates the updates and rolls them out via kies.
Do you really think Bell would have released JL2 or what have you that caused all those bricks? No, but it was Bell cleaning up the mess.
We here in Canada have only received 1 update that actually works. We went from 2.1 to 2.2. We never received a 2.2.1 update, have not received a 2.3.3 or 2.3.4.
If it was Bell's fault - Samsung Mobile Canada Facebook page wouldn't be stating anything on their page about an update, they would pass off the blame to Bell and say "Please contact your provider". But they are not doing that. However if you contact Bell they do tell you (some of them) to call Samsung.
Furthermore, Bell has no reason to test the software. Bell has their bloatware confirmed to be working on other phones carrying 2.3. Samsung has to code it into their firmware.
No, the problem here is Bells exclusivity to the SGS2 and Samsung's determination to make it just as successful as the SGS1.
Thats the only thing that makes sense. I hate the iPhone with a passion, but when they update, at least they roll out the update to everyone. I think other manufacturers of Android phones do as well, but I'm not sure on that.
Samsung should make, and complete, all their updates on every carriers version and roll it out at once to everyone. Not one country here, or one country there.
So Great Job Samsung? Hardly.

why don't you just update using odin?

alexovy said:
why don't you just update using odin?
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Well, I could, but I was one of Samsung's victims that had their SD card blow up.
And as such, I am a little apprehensive installing anything that hasn't officially come from Samsung for fear that it may happen again and Samsung refusing to warranty it. After all, if it does happen via ODIN, Samsung would have every right to refuse to fix it under warranty. If it happens officially through KIES, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

To the Canadian posts above me: I don't know why a couple of you are expecting Samsung to release updates? You are posting on XDA for crying out loud; learn how to root your phone, install custom ROMs/kernels, and stop relying on Bell and/or Samsung.
If you wanna have you hand help by a manufacturer, go buy an iPhone.
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taketheleap said:
To the Canadian posts above me: I don't know why a couple of you are expecting Samsung to release updates? You are posting on XDA for crying out loud; learn how to root your phone, install custom ROMs/kernels, and stop relying on Bell and/or Samsung.
If you wanna have you hand help by a manufacturer, go buy an iPhone.
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If this is what you've done to your phone, then great.. More power to you. But if others don't feel comfortable going this route, then that doesn't make them more wrong or right then you are.
I love posts like yours. They make me laugh. You like throwing your opinion around by making condescending posts to others.
Why are we expecting updates from Samsung? BECAUSE THEY STATED THEY WOULD, but their dates keep changing.
If Samsung took the stance of not updating any longer, then fine, you'd have an argument. However this is not the case so keep your condescending posts to yourself.
Oh and P.S. - XDA is much more than a place to root and flash your phone. While there are ROM cookers/chefs in their kitchens, it's also a community that develops end user software such as NOLED and other things. You are welcome to use XDA however you wish, and others can use it the way they feel.

All carrier locked phones have late if any upgrades. It is not just the USA/Canada. The truth is yes Google make the bare bones Android it is then released to Samsung who do what they do, that is install Touchwiz and then they release it to the non carrier locked phones at the same time or probably earlier they will have released it to the networks for approval to put on their phones. The carriers then do what they do with their bloatware and lock-in's etc. It then goes back to Samsung who test it. If there is a problem with what the carrier has done then this repeats. Finally when it is properly cooked and ready to serve they wait for the carrier to give the go. Now this is where it gets problematic as the carrier wants to sell new phones and contracts so they delay as much as they can so that people will upgrade to the new phones/contracts with the shiny new OS's already on them.
How do I know this. Well in the UK we have 5 or 6 carriers. All use the same radio and all sell Galaxy S phones yet at least one of them, even though everything is identical, has not released Gingerbread yet. And all the other rollouts were strung out across months.
So the moral of this story is Either buy unlocked or burn your carrier's ears off with complaints. Not Google. Not Samsung.

While this is somewhat true, it is Samsung, not the carriers that release the software.
As for sales, Samsung stands to gain much more than the carrier does when it comes to sales. Granted, if the carrier only sold 1 brand of phone there would be a good argument there, but they don't.
Samsung is the one telling people on their facebook page that there's good news coming for owners of the SGS in Canada, not Bell.
Samsung is the one telling people to "Stay tuned", not bell.
Bell's bloatware is not what's causing the hold up. People with Cooked roms can get every one of their bloatwares off the market.
Its definitely not Google's fault. I'll agree with you there. Google envisioned Android rollouts differently.
However to lay blame on the carrier is ludicrous. I say this because HTC released 2.3.4 for their Incredible S. That is a phone Bell carries. Its also a phone that has bell's bloatware. If Bell is withholding Gingerbread to sell more phones, they would have with every phone across their line, not just the SGS.
Their was also an internal memo leaked from Bell stating the SGS would receive the update prior to the HTC in "early summer". This "early summer" thing was even stated on Samsung's facebook page at one point (prior to the leaked memo), but was deleted for unknown reasons. Now Samsung's facebook page is saying late summer, but Bell isn't saying anything other than "contact samsung" or "We're waiting on samsung" when you call them.
At any rate, everyone can have an opinion as to who to blame, or who's accountable. But it's Samsung opening their mouth about updates, so it only leads me to believe that they are the alpha dogs here who decide when and what gets released.

So you are actually commending Samsung for releasing a crap product and fixing it near the end of the product's life cycle.
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Nowadays my SGS is running as it should, but I don´t forget the disappointing early days, when crappy Eclair made me almost return it to VF and exchange it for something usable. As soon as I learned how to use Odin my phone got a deep transformation, but that doesn´t excuse Samsung for releasing such a crap.

Excellent posts by the above 2 posters expressing both sides.
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Well written. I agree very much. Coming from HTC this is definitely much better.

if this is the end of the updates from samsung the galaxy s has had a good update life and whats next if it is the end weve got cyanogenmod hopefully all the bugs will be sorted out

dakine said:
So you are actually commending Samsung for releasing a crap product and fixing it near the end of the product's life cycle.
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And IOS is now on version 5 beta? So even they release unfinished firmware for public testing and then do updates. It is the same with every OS there are always bugs, beta testers and updates/upgrades.

I just wanna say one thing.
Samsung dont have Galaxy S users in hmm "ass" bcz he doing still update's no like HTC, I mean now Desire.. Update bcz users do revolution... Its so sad...

I'd say that Samsungs gonna keep updating the SGS because they don't have a ****load of top end devices like HTC. Currently, only Samsung phone thats more powerful is its successor, SGS2.
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