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My mates iphone can go to this site and stream tv in good quality. In case you havnt seen/heard of it yet...its proper uk tv not those ****ty internet streams that have...lets be honest nothing on ever!
Any ideas?
http://www.tvcatchup.com/
(TVCatchup has channels like bbc, bb2, bb3, itv, c4, e4 etc)
seems like skyfire is the only solution just now (just read some some hd2 users saying it works well with wifi)
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seems like skyfire is the only solution just now (just read some some hd2 users saying it works well with wifi)
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I am playing it on my HD2 using Skyfire over 3G and even though is is straight from the website, the picture is not that bad ;-D
just seen your post man, Im still struggling to get this working. It "does play" in skyfire...but wow it is buggy as hell. Even over wifi (on my new hd2 )
It plays 100% on my mates gheyphone...which winds me up a little haha
I have nrgs rom installed which uses opera 10...but i read that you can use opera 9.7 with a flash fix...I wonder if that will make tvcatchup work with with opera rather than skyfire?
AAARRRGGHGHGHGHGHGHGHHGHGH
btw, sign up to the forum and show intrested in a windows mobile support/app
the more the better!
SPB TV, bro.
i seen that and another mobitv...but they seem to have the worst selection of tv channels
the weather
news
the wether
more news
some weather
are they any good? have you checked out tvcatchup...got it working on skyfire via wifi...3g is no use (at least in my area). it seems they made a specific app/page for iphone users...the stream is prob tailored to their device/resolution...half the size of the hd2 (?) so it will look/stream a lot better over 3g (or at least this is what i think?)
Tv catchup
May i suggest to all of you to forgrt Tvcatchup
try
www.yamgo.com
is best
tv catchup people dont like windows mobile thats why they have made it for iphone
Thankyou! Yamgo is brilliant! Far far better than TVcatchup
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Thankyou! Yamgo is brilliant! Far far better than TVcatchup
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As one of the Admin of TVCatchup let's face the facts:
http://m.tvcatchup.com/ has 28 freeview channels, for most phones including Windows Mobile 6.0 + Yamgo has 4.
Yamgo's quality is like watching something from the 60's, that is allowing for bandwidth problems as well. TVC has it's own optimised page offering low and high quality options.
Yamgo spam everything and make false twitter and facebook accounts and generally pee off everyone. We never spam and have built our membership by word of mouth and reputation.
We have open and free help forums that deal with issues right away, I once sent a support email to Yamgo and got a response four days later.
Sounds petty I know but we are trying to provide a service par excellence and of course I am biased, but it peeves you off with shafters like this.
Rant over !
Adobe Flash Player 10.1 Beta for Android Notification
You just need to sign up and when the beta is released we should be notified.
Click here to sign up!
signed up for the beta hope that our androids have full flash support next
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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I think that is pretty much along the same thing that Steve Jobs said about not implementing Flash to iPhone/iPad/iTouch devices. Although I agree with it but like you said yourself there are so many websites that won't ditch it. When something better comes around (not saying that there isn't already) then I'm sure that they will look forward to that as well. Until then... I want HULU!
Plus, I know that Netflix is wanting to implement their movie streaming services to Android sometime soon too! Can't wait!
I will be notified when its up
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This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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LOL. Calm down. I do agree with you that flash slows down web browsing with ads but that is why I downloaded AdFree from the market. HTML-5 is slowing taking over and Android 2.0+ is compatible with that already (or just need a simple plug-in). Anyway, we can use our phones to enjoy the FULL internet experience.
Signed up and ready!
And flash can die when I can have the ENTIRE web experience given to me by something else.
Until then, LONG LIVE FLASH!!!
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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Finally, someone in the android community that understands this. Flash is not only guilty of the above, it also murders puppies.
lbcoder said:
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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Flash isn't gonna die any time soon.
It's like mp3. It's an awful lossy format that sounds terrible, yet, because it's so small everyone uses it, despite the fact formats such as OGGVORBIS give much better sound quality in a smaller file. Also, it's completely open source, which is always nice
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Flash isn't gonna die any time soon.
It's like mp3. It's an awful lossy format that sounds terrible, yet, because it's so small everyone uses it, despite the fact formats such as OGGVORBIS give much better sound quality in a smaller file. Also, it's completely open source, which is always nice
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mp3 is open source.
flash, though the specifications are free, is NOT OPEN.
It is closed -- only decodable by a piece of proprietary garbage.
mp3 does NOT have this problem.
Meltus said:
Flash isn't gonna die any time soon.
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... not if complete **IDIOTS** keep using it!!!
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... not if complete **IDIOTS** keep using it!!!
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Are you a anti-flash movement or something? geez leave it alone.. one guy on a XDA forum will not make a piece of software die so stop crying.
Too many people use it so instead of being close minded and say it's terrible blah blah open your mind and think, why not have flash AND others like plugins so everyone can enjoy or chose to use what they want. It's called best of both worlds.
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mp3 is open source.
flash, though the specifications are free, is NOT OPEN.
It is closed -- only decodable by a piece of proprietary garbage.
mp3 does NOT have this problem.
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"If you decide to sell your music in MP3 format, you are responsible for paying Fraunhofer a percentage of each sale because you are using their patents."
OggVorbis is completely free, which is what i was trying to explain
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... not if complete **IDIOTS** keep using it!!!
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I'm not sure if that was aimed at me, but if so, well done for completely missing the point of my post...
lbcoder said:
This is a TERRIBLE thing.
Flash should be boycotted.
Its only effect is to hinder the advancement of open web standards and keep us locked in 90's type content.
Flash appeared in 1996 to take advantage of missing web functionality and provide more interactivity (not to play videos). Nowadays, it doesn't actually provide anything useful -- videos can be played by MEDIA plugins and don't need to be flash-packaged. Interactivity can be provided by TONS of different mechanisms. There is NO USE for flash.
The only reason why ANYONE still uses it is because certain websites are TOO STUPID to ditch it! I.e., they got used to using it when it *was* useful, and never bothered to learn the RIGHT WAY to do things when it became possible to ditch it!
I VERY VERY STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT use flash plugins. LET FLASH DIE!!!
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Translation:
" Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh. :'( "
A few people on a forum not downloading flash for Android will change absolutely nothing.
We are accessing the content, not publishing it........
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"If you decide to sell your music in MP3 format, you are responsible for paying Fraunhofer a percentage of each sale because you are using their patents."
OggVorbis is completely free, which is what i was trying to explain
I'm not sure if that was aimed at me, but if so, well done for completely missing the point of my post...
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YOU are missing the point. This ISNT ABOUT distributing. This is about USING. MP3 encoders and decoders are available, FOR FREE. *ANYONE* can use it. Distributing commercial content in that format is subject to licensing fees. So what?
The point is that ADOBE is TERRIBLE at supporting their product -- flash. They took the better part of a DECADE TO SUPPORT AMD64, and that is only on linux.
Their software is terrible and buggy.
Only a MINORITY of web users are *ABLE* to use flash content (whether due to use of a platform adobe doesn't support, or due to DEFECTS in flash plugin).
It is also a HORRIBLE resource hog!
And to top it all off, there is NO REASON to use it! Everything it does can be done BETTER with things that are STANDARD. And FYI: These standard things actually WORK and use VERY LITTLE RESOURCES.
So please explain HOW it is to anyone's benefit to keep using this CRAP!
To kill it requires that EVERYBODY DOES NOT USE IT. Already right now MOST PEOPLE do NOT USE IT.
The more people do NOT use flash, the more web developers will realize that they are shooting themselves in the foot by using it!
If developers use the SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVES, then those sites will work for EVERYBODY, and flash will finally die.
Which means that people won't need to wait for adobe to support new platforms (without exception, this takes YEARS), or fix bugs (again, typically takes YEARS).
Also realize this: flash sites ***ARE VANISHING***. I can't think of ONE SINGLE SITE that still requires flash, except for youtube -- and it is going to vanish from there very soon... as soon as they decide on the appropriate video format (going to be ON8, theora, or h264).
Flash runs amazingly for me, until something better can do everything it does and better, Ill keep using it.
End of story.
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Also realize this: flash sites ***ARE VANISHING***. I can't think of ONE SINGLE SITE that still requires flash, except for youtube -- and it is going to vanish from there very soon... as soon as they decide on the appropriate video format (going to be ON8, theora, or h264).
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So you're saying that only YouTube uses Flash? Are you on crack?
One word... PORN. There are millions of sites out there that uses Flash based content too.
Then there are other sites such as Hulu. Huge site that is generating revenue off of their adds and soon as a paid membership service.
There are streaming sites like local news stations that deliver real time content to your hands.
Then there are Flash games as well.
Many cell phones are beginning to support Flash content because it is so common on websites. The more people that stare at their cell phones the more hooked they are on the service that their cellular company provides. Which mean more customers, more money, more profit. Notice that many of the phones these days are getting thinner but the screens are getting wider? Do you think it's because people just want to have a nice bright 4" screen on their hip or in their pocket? People use these new devices for multimedia and web browsing and not just for texting and making phone calls. Web browsing isn't complete if you can only browse wap and mobile friendly web pages. Flash is also a smaller file that is easy to stream... which is cheaper for cellular providers. Sure they may have to upgrade their network for the 34,000,000 subscribers that are watching last nights episode of Lost on their phones (hypothetical)... but they are investing in all of that anyway. Why do you suppose that is? For situations such as this. Should Flash disappear it would be an awful waste of research, development, sales and technology. Yes, there are alternatives... but are they more convenient than what we already have in place that works? If it's not broke, don't fix it. If Flash was going to become obsolete it'll more than likely be replaced by mp4. I can see your point of view but I can see how this multimedia evolution is progressing.
text> html colors > jpeg > gif > flash > mp4? > 3Dmp4 > Virtual Reality > Brain Implants
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YOU are missing the point. This ISNT ABOUT distributing. This is about USING. MP3 encoders and decoders are available, FOR FREE. *ANYONE* can use it. Distributing commercial content in that format is subject to licensing fees. So what?
The point is that ADOBE is TERRIBLE at supporting their product -- flash. They took the better part of a DECADE TO SUPPORT AMD64, and that is only on linux.
Their software is terrible and buggy.
Only a MINORITY of web users are *ABLE* to use flash content (whether due to use of a platform adobe doesn't support, or due to DEFECTS in flash plugin).
It is also a HORRIBLE resource hog!
And to top it all off, there is NO REASON to use it! Everything it does can be done BETTER with things that are STANDARD. And FYI: These standard things actually WORK and use VERY LITTLE RESOURCES.
So please explain HOW it is to anyone's benefit to keep using this CRAP!
To kill it requires that EVERYBODY DOES NOT USE IT. Already right now MOST PEOPLE do NOT USE IT.
The more people do NOT use flash, the more web developers will realize that they are shooting themselves in the foot by using it!
If developers use the SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVES, then those sites will work for EVERYBODY, and flash will finally die.
Which means that people won't need to wait for adobe to support new platforms (without exception, this takes YEARS), or fix bugs (again, typically takes YEARS).
Also realize this: flash sites ***ARE VANISHING***. I can't think of ONE SINGLE SITE that still requires flash, except for youtube -- and it is going to vanish from there very soon... as soon as they decide on the appropriate video format (going to be ON8, theora, or h264).
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Wtf are you having a go at me for? i agree with you.
My point was, that like flash, there are better audio formats available that can do the job much better than mp3s, but because the majority of people don't really care and are not very knowledgeable on the subject, they see no reason to change. It's the same with flash. They don't know that there are any alternatives and, so they see no point in using anything different.
For developers, flash may not be the best thing to use, but EVERYONE has heard of it. From a marketing point of view, it's best to use a brand that you have heard of than one you haven't.
Why are you actually getting so worked up about this? You seem to be the ONLY person who actually cares, and next time, please actually READ my posts before you have a massive rant at me when i actually ****ing agree with you.
Also, only a minority of web users can use Flash? wtf? I'd quite confidently say the majority of web users are either on Windows or on a Mac. Both of which have fantastic flash support.
Flash won't be replaced till there is something to replace it with. Please don't say HTML 5 cause thats a complete joke. As hulu just said in a press release. HTML is nice and cool but for our statistics and our video quality HTML 5 is many years behind flash. Just take a look at youtube and thier HTML5 experment. With the power and money of google behind them their HTML5 site looks like crap compared to their flash site.
Also HTML 5 severly lacks in vector graphics which was the main selling point about flash for years. Then take into account cross platform bugs and development and HTML 5 is just gonna be a flashy form of HTML 4. Flash is so powerfull it will always have a home. Hell now you can make iphone and ipad apps with it, even after Stevo gave the no no.
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Flash won't be replaced till there is something to replace it with.
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That is just the point... there is NO NEED to replace it. It doesn't do ANYTHING USEFUL!
Please don't say HTML 5 cause thats a complete joke. As hulu just said in a press release. HTML is nice and cool but for our statistics and our video quality HTML 5 is many years behind flash.
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Are you trying to say that VP6 is better than h264 and VP8? Because that just makes you look like a flashtard.
Just take a look at youtube and thier HTML5 experment. With the power and money of google behind them their HTML5 site looks like crap compared to their flash site.
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Based on your statement here, I just took a look, and you know what? It is EXACTLY THE SAME. The ONLY difference is that when you come across a webm/VP8 or h264 transcoded video, they don't need to load that flash bloat garbage.
Also HTML 5 severly lacks in vector graphics
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How does this apply to html5 at all? If the image is a vector graphic, it is up to the browser to handle it. If YOUR browser doesn't handle vector graphics properly, don't whine about html5, whine about your browser, or better yet, CONTRIBUTE to it.
which was the main selling point about flash for years.
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Which remains unnecessary. Vector graphics are cool and all, but hardly worth subjecting yourself to the intense BLOAT.
Then take into account cross platform bugs and development and HTML 5 is just gonna be a flashy form of HTML 4.
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Huh? You seem to be SERIOUSLY CONFUSED.
Multi-platform support has ALWAYS been one of the MANY MANY SERIOUS weaknesses of flash. They take YEARS TOO LONG to support new platforms -- if EVER (see apple). Their new platform support is always buggy and slow. The multi-platform nature of HTML5 is its STRENGTH and will ENSURE that it is selected more consistently than that terrible flash thing.
Flash is so powerfull it will always have a home.
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Now you're REALLY dreaming.
Flash is NOT powerful. It is WEAK. It is SLOW. It is UGLY. It brings about INCOMPATIBILITY. It never did ANYTHING useful for ANYBODY. The ONLY reason why anyone uses it now (or has EVER used it) is because they don't/didn't know any better.
I mean..c'mon...is it really that important?
Or does everyone want Flash support soley because you can't have Flash on an iPad?
(aka the Neener Neener Neener Factor?) ("N3F" for short)
Like it or not, there are more iPads in the hands of consumers than there are any other type of tablet device.
An article from January 19 says that Apple sold nearly 15 million iPads in 2010.
That is 15 million mostly non-geeky people
(people who you would think NEED Flash more than your average geek on XDA).
Yet they are all okay with not having Flash.
Before having Flash, I would rather have a streaming NetFlix app, a good DLNA/uPnP app and since I'm on a mini-rant, I would like a really good video player.
The best I've tried so far is Act1...but it's still lacking in a few areas.
It's more a principle thing. First, you buy the device that is supposed to be flash enabled. It was not so waiting #1. Second, Adobe apparently announced the release of flash for today. So far, nothing again; waiting #2. If I buy a banana split with cream then I want my cream whether it's necessary or not
And c'mon, do you really really really have to drag the iPad vs. Xoom discussion in here again? I couldn't care less if other devices support flash or not. That doesn't make me feel better or worse. I only care about the Xoom.
My primary purpose for the tablet is email and web. I have been running the leaked flash since it came out. You get a smoother web experience with flash, in my opinion and use, because it seems to be everywhere. I don't want to have to open other apps or click other links for popups to get what should be there any way. I don't really follow the "I don't get all the flash adds" with my iPad. If it is an issue just turn the extension to "on demand". I like sitting down reading a web page and seeing the video link and then just clicking it to watch it. I don't like adding steps to a device I want to remove steps.
Is flash the ultimate solution? Doesn't appear to be, however until it is phased out to sites I visit daily then I need a tablet that can use it. I really tried to take back the Xoom and get an iPad 2, but it just won't do everything I want.
Flash is not a big deal to everyone, as not everyone buys a tablet for the same reason.
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I mean..c'mon...is it really that important?
Or does everyone want Flash support soley because you can't have Flash on an iPad?
(aka the Neener Neener Neener Factor?) ("N3F" for short)
Like it or not, there are more iPads in the hands of consumers than there are any other type of tablet device.
An article from January 19 says that Apple sold nearly 15 million iPads in 2010.
That is 15 million mostly non-geeky people
(people who you would think NEED Flash more than your average geek on XDA).
Yet they are all okay with not having Flash.
Before having Flash, I would rather have a streaming NetFlix app, a good DLNA/uPnP app and since I'm on a mini-rant, I would like a really good video player.
The best I've tried so far is Act1...but it's still lacking in a few areas.
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I agree totally, I mean I like knowing I have flash handy, but I don't wake up in the morning mourning the absence of flash, its more like " hey dude u wanna see the ultimate facepalm? Check it out" apart from those vids, I can't really say flash is a major part of the tablet experience... that's my view anyway
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I wouldn't say they (Ipad owners) are OK with it they don't have a choice. Its like living communist china. You live there because you don't have a choice not because you want to. How many downloads do you think flash for IPad would have the first day?
Anyway I'm kinda with you its not really that important but it is something thats nice to have. I'm just board waiting for 5pm so I can start smoking and drinking #winning.
Don't use it. Jeez. You don't even have to install the application. Who cares if 15 million people don't need Flash? If I wan't Flash I'll install Flash and I will use Flash. The iPad uses HTML5 as well, which can also be utilized Android. We have the best of both worlds... and until Flash is phased out of the internet, when it is needed, it will be used.
Was this thread made to show how advertising Flash as an amazing feature is stupid?
Was this thread made to show your own hate for Flash?
Was this thread made to prove that Flash isn't needed?
Was this thread made to "bash" Android fans who bash the fact that the iPad lacks Flash?
... or could it have even been to show that the iPad is selling millions and we should all be envious haters?
Really, if you don't get the point of Flash, and you don't like Flash -- just don't use the thing.
Its all abouth the kiddies being able to watch porn on their phones
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Its all abouth the kiddies being able to watch porn on their phones
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Well I already have porn I mean flash on my phone. Also I think if you don't like porn you are either really old or well I don't want to call you names its against the rules.
So the end of this thread is flash is cool to have, let's be honest, having more is good and that's what is provides for us android users, more freedom
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Well I already have porn I mean flash on my phone. Also I think if you don't like porn you are either really old or well I don't want to call you names its against the rules.
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+1!
If I want to watch porn I'll do it on the big screen. Also, there's always Skyfire that has a flash alternative... but I shouldn't give the "kiddies" too many bad ideas!
somehow flash isn't important on the day of the iPad1 release?
i feel like some people were born yesterday.
hi OP, you must be new to the internet.
That's kind of a dumb question. Actually it is a very dumb question. Maybe you live under a rock?
Most websites are built around flash. Without the flash player you would not get a nice browsing experience like the website designer wanted you to have. Yeah yeah.. ads this... ads that. It's called set the flash player to on demand. You can activate it when you need it, so you are in control. Isn't that what being an Android user is all about? Being in control of your device.
It's like 2D vs. 3D. There is quite a difference between the two, just like there is with being able to use flash on websites. Yes, one can go without the flash player (Apple products), or one could enjoy the browsing experience like it was meant to be. Technology is advancing, and its here to make life easier and more enjoyable, especially in the handheld mobile department. It's awesome to be able to go to fox.com and watch full episodes of the Sunday shows on demand on my Xoom whenever I feel like it. Or any other website with tv shows like that. Apple/iPad will NEVER have that kind of desktop user experience... EVER!!!
Hands down.
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That's kind of a dumb question. Actually it is a very dumb question. Maybe you live under a rock?
Most websites are built around flash. Without the flash player you would not get a nice browsing experience like the website designer wanted you to have. Yeah yeah.. ads this... ads that. It's called set the flash player to on demand. You can activate it when you need it, so you are in control. Isn't that what being an Android user is all about? Being in control of your device.
It's like 2D vs. 3D. There is quite a difference between the two, just like there is with being able to use flash on websites. Yes, one can go without the flash player (Apple products), or one could enjoy the browsing experience like it was meant to be. Technology is advancing, and its here to make life easier and more enjoyable, especially in the handheld mobile department. It's awesome to be able to go to fox.com and watch full episodes of the Sunday shows on demand on my Xoom whenever I feel like it. Or any other website with tv shows like that. Apple/iPad will NEVER have that kind of desktop user experience... EVER!!!
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Apple will integrate flash.
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Apple will integrate flash.
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My reply stands solid regardless of the comment about Apple products. Why people skip the whole point and focus on something else is beyond me. That was extra, not the main point. Geez.
I doubt Apple and Adobe will ever be on the same page. If they do, so what? By then Flash will be old news to the mobile world. Everyone will have it already in all shapes and forms, whether its the lite or the full version. In short.. no one will give a crap by that time because every OS will have already been with Flash for the longest time.
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That's kind of a dumb question. Actually it is a very dumb question. Maybe you live under a rock?
Most websites are built around flash. Without the flash player you would not get a nice browsing experience like the website designer wanted you to have. Yeah yeah.. ads this... ads that. It's called set the flash player to on demand. You can activate it when you need it, so you are in control. Isn't that what being an Android user is all about? Being in control of your device.
It's like 2D vs. 3D. There is quite a difference between the two, just like there is with being able to use flash on websites. Yes, one can go without the flash player (Apple products), or one could enjoy the browsing experience like it was meant to be. Technology is advancing, and its here to make life easier and more enjoyable, especially in the handheld mobile department. It's awesome to be able to go to fox.com and watch full episodes of the Sunday shows on demand on my Xoom whenever I feel like it. Or any other website with tv shows like that. Apple/iPad will NEVER have that kind of desktop user experience... EVER!!!
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Nope, I doubt my fat a$$ could fit under a rock.
I live in a house...and I'm actually a web developer and have been a web developer for about 16 years now.
I've done everything from PHP to CFM to JSP to ASP to ASP.Net....
And...at a former job--spent about 3 years developing....<drum roll>....Flash sites!
diablo2224 said:
My reply stands solid regardless of the comment about Apple products. Why people skip the whole point and focus on something else is beyond me. That was extra, not the main point. Geez.
I doubt Apple and Adobe will ever be on the same page. If they do, so what? By then Flash will be old news to the mobile world. Everyone will have it already in all shapes and forms, whether its the lite or the full version. In short.. no one will give a crap by that time because every OS will have already been with Flash for the longest time.
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I'm just saying Apple will provide flash on their OS. It's just a matter of time, weather they look for other sources or not, or even create their own interfaces... chill man, u gonna have a heart attack
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Flash is minor, I ain't no fanboy or whatever u like to call these people who only purchase certain items from one company...
All I'm sayin is when ur mum is on her iPhone and comes across a broken part of da page where flash should be, u think she gonna stress like us geeks? She ain't, she just gonna forget it and move on...
The end of this *****ing is Apple is the best... if u don't give a ****.
Android is the best if you have time to play around.
Is rather play around kos I have time to.
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Set your UA String to desktop and check out many websites in all their glory, it's pretty cool . ESPN, Yahoo, ABC, CBS, etc... It's just cool having the FULL web at your fingertips.
Also, some business websites require flash and that is why some people NEED it.
My look at it.
is flash god's gift? No it is not
is flash a good system? not really
ok.. I get it.. but here's the problem, there are lots of sites out there that use flash, benefit from it, and use it poorly and some use it pretty well
I WANT the option, I had an iphone for a while, and I remember looking for an address to a diner, or a menu for example, or just a lot of things, and it just did not work! it was stupid! now on my Captivate I get the option, yes its a little slow and sluggish, but i can at least get my info that I want.
long story short, I dont care for it too much, but this is the internet and even if we dont like things, with Jobs telling me that I can't have flash, tells me that I cant use the internet to the fullest potential.
I just hope that HTML5 kills Flash, but untill then, I need it.
OP.... yes I don't think flash is that big of a deal either.
Also, the 'iPad' sold a bunch of units in 2010. Guess what? Its 2011! The only thing available back then was the ipad. Now we have the xoom. Which is way better! Lol.
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I saw that the nexus 7 comes with Chrome as default browser. Does it mean no more flash support?
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Fairly sure Chrome supports, if not will support, flash?
If not then the new build of Firefox which is out supports flash :highfive:
Chrome does not, and will not, support Flash.
I believe other browsers that support Flash should be fine though (for now).
As long as Adobe supports Jelly Bean, Flash should still work normally in other browsers.
I dint think chrome will be supporting it. just use opera mobile then
Opera mobile the best anyways
But I remember adobe once saying that ICS will be the last android version to support adobe flash.. Not sure though..
This got me curious, so I spent some time looking around the Nexus 7 webpage. It says that Flash IS supported, just not in Chrome. The note says that you can download Browser from Google Play. Presumably, other browsers with plugin support (Firefox 14) should be compatible as well.
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But I remember adobe once saying that ICS will be the last android version to support adobe flash.. Not sure though..
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It is. Though Jelly Bean isn't that big a jump OS wise, so it shouldn't have broken flash compatibility.
Chrome for android does not support flash and according to Adobe, it won't. Apparently you'll be able to download the usual default browser on the play store if you require flash, or an assortment of 3rd party browsers that support flash.
I'm not sure if anyone notice...
If you look at the Flash in Play Store, Adobe states that "Flash Player will not be supported in any Android version beyond 4.0.X"
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not being supported doesn't necessarily mean it wont work
Thank god. After all these years, Flash is dead.
Adobe has dropped flash support themselves I believe, which is understandable as flash is indeed on its way out now with many web apps and websites in general turning to HTML5 as more universal coding method. However, whilst Chrome does not support flash, simply installing another browser onto the Nexus should allow you flash support (Skyfire browser I think for one).
In my opinion, the stock browser in ICS, especially with quick controls enabled, is the best browser I've ever used. I'm happy to hear it will be available for download, however am indeed worried about getting flash installed on Jellybean. Adobe is not releasing Flash updates past security & fixes. one big thing I love about ICS is the ability to load full net pages, which use flash, at my choosing and would hate to loose this functionality if flash is not compatible with Jellybean.
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Thank god. After all these years, Flash is dead.
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You are my first boo post....... Booooooooo! There felt good
TheSeanR said:
not being supported doesn't necessarily mean it wont work
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This. Adobe won't fix it, but if it worked on ics it should still work on jelly bean. The next version is probably screwed though.
As stated before Adobe has stated before after ICS no more flash support.
Chrome for android never supported flash to begin with.
Frankly I think flash is a poor user experience on a tablet anyway.
It's unfortunately true: Chrome on Jelly Bean does not and will not support Flash. Chrome looks amazing otherwise. The question is: Will XDA devs be able to bake flash back in? Using a non-flash supporting browser is simply out of the question for me.
Don't get me started on how the rational of dropping flash support no longer applies. Tablets are now quad-core beasts that are supposed to replace laptops and provide the most complete browsing experience. I think Google -like Apple- just wants people to consume its media instead.
Why not just use a market browser that supports flash like Dolphin?
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Why not just use a market browser that supports flash like Dolphin?
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Sure, there's always 'that' solution, but it also means you miss out on Chrome. Firefo is bloody amazing but you need to re-load every page in Desktop mode, there's now way to make the client desktop from the start.
I want to use Chrome (mostly bec of the sync options with the desktop verison), but I also want to have flash... That's the thing.
I, as with many on this forum, have been anxiously awaiting the release of ICS for my Atrix4G.
Well, I now have a completely different attitude about the update. I will NOT be installing it onto my phone. Why?
My wife owns an Atrix2...a few days ago we received the official OTA update for ICS. It installed beautifully. I was very excited to get to play around with it and looked forward to trying out all the new features, which, are nice.
BUT...It became obvious very quickly that Adobe Flash was not supported with this update. I could not believe it, in fact I REFUSED to believe it so I spent most of the night trying to work around that fact. I found some work arounds, but nothing that really worked.
I tried a couple APK files for Flash 11, and although it did technically install it, the results were mixed. Some flash objects worked fine, but most did not. It seems flash video (streaming tv etc...) were the worst, most of which lock the browsers up. (tried stock, dolphin, opera, firefox)
I know this is not a big deal to many of you, but for my wife and I, we use our phone browsers quite a bit, and embedded flash content is a big part of that experience. To not have it is a major fail for us. I would never had installed the OTA had I realized the degree to which it would impact the delivery of that particular content.
After spending most of my evening reading up on this topic ( I really wish I would have read about these issues before hand) I am very aware of the argument Adobe is making. It is up to the content providers to stop using flash and move to a better delivery mechanism. I get that. But it comes at the cost of usability for the user.
Unfortunately for me, by accepting this update, my device has been "downgraded", in my wife and I's opinion. And to us, that is all that matters. As non-technical consumers we don't care or need to know about "legacy compatibility" or "resource intensity". What we care about are the blank boxes on the majority of the websites we visit where there should be content and now there is either an error message, or a completely locked browser. That is what is important to us.
You may not feel the same, everyone has different opinions and needs for their phones. Our was the ability to reliably surf the web and experience all the features that my desktop can. Until this update, those needs were met perfectly. That is no longer the case, and it is a shame, no matter who is a fault.
So, in summary, after experiencing ICS on the Atrix 2, I will NOT be installing it on my Atrix4G. At least not until either Adobe, the content providers, Moto or Google get back on the same page, because what it happening now just plain sucks. The rest of the update is nice, but to my Wife and I, flash content honestly is a big deal.
Hope this helps someone, as I am sure it would have made me think twice had I read his before updating mine.
Flame away.
Pretty sure adobe have stopped supporting flash now so ICS and JB don't have it
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I, as with many on this forum, have been anxiously awaiting the release of ICS for my Atrix4G.
Well, I now have a completely different attitude about the update. I will NOT be installing it onto my phone. Why?
My wife owns an Atrix2...a few days ago we received the official OTA update for ICS. It installed beautifully. I was very excited to get to play around with it and looked forward to trying out all the new features, which, are nice.
BUT...It became obvious very quickly that Adobe Flash was not supported with this update. I could not believe it, in fact I REFUSED to believe it so I spent most of the night trying to work around that fact. I found some work arounds, but nothing that really worked.
I tried a couple APK files for Flash 11, and although it did technically install it, the results were mixed. Some flash objects worked fine, but most did not. It seems flash video (streaming tv etc...) were the worst, most of which lock the browsers up. (tried stock, dolphin, opera, firefox)
I know this is not a big deal to many of you, but for my wife and I, we use our phone browsers quite a bit, and embedded flash content is a big part of that experience. To not have it is a major fail for us. I would never had installed the OTA had I realized the degree to which it would impact the delivery of that particular content.
After spending most of my evening reading up on this topic ( I really wish I would have read about these issues before hand) I am very aware of the argument Adobe is making. It is up to the content providers to stop using flash and move to a better delivery mechanism. I get that. But it comes at the cost of usability for the user.
Unfortunately for me, by accepting this update, my device has been "downgraded", in my wife and I's opinion. And to us, that is all that matters. As non-technical consumers we don't care or need to know about "legacy compatibility" or "resource intensity". What we care about are the blank boxes on the majority of the websites we visit where there should be content and now there is either an error message, or a completely locked browser. That is what is important to us.
You may not feel the same, everyone has different opinions and needs for their phones. Our was the ability to reliably surf the web and experience all the features that my desktop can. Until this update, those needs were met perfectly. That is no longer the case, and it is a shame, no matter who is a fault.
So, in summary, after experiencing ICS on the Atrix 2, I will NOT be installing it on my Atrix4G. At least not until either Adobe, the content providers, Moto or Google get back on the same page, because what it happening now just plain sucks. The rest of the update is nice, but to my Wife and I, flash content honestly is a big deal.
Hope this helps someone, as I am sure it would have made me think twice had I read his before updating mine.
Flame away.
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i have the latest adobe flash sideloaded on my installation of CM10, and it works like it should for me. I have yet to try it on the ICS leak, but all i did was install the .apk i found from Adobe's website, and lo and behold, it works
Well it took you only a year to figure out that Adobe dropped support for flash in mobile... This is one of the most delayed rants ever. In any case, No need to worry if you're using official updates only, since Motorola cancelled the ICS OTA for the Atrix 4G..
Wait, you'll ditch the entire ICS/JB because of something as crappy as Adobe Flash? Dunno, makes no sense to me. Flash is trash and the fact you guys visit so many flash sites is just plain unfortunate.
Also, Adobe has dropped support for Flash on Android long time ago. Has nothing to do with ICS or JB or Motorola or anything.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31311769&postcount=368
So I don't really see your point...
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That makes no sense whatsoever..
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Again, if Flash content is not part of your everyday mobile web experience, then I am sure it would not make sense to you.
But it is to us. I don't care if flash sucks or not. The fact that it is still a major delivery system on most websites that I visit makes dropping ICS sound sensible to me.
The majority of news stations (that I visit anyway) that have streaming content still use flash. That is not in my control. What was in my control was the OTA update that I now regret installing.
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The fact that it is still a major delivery system on most websites that I visit makes dropping ICS sound sensible to me.
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It would be if flash support had anything to do with ICS. Like I said above (sorry, edited my post), flash is no longer available on Google Play, whoever got it has it, others must make do with other methods. So if you were still on GB and didn't have flash installed, you'd be just as screwed now.
Well, i know for sure that iOS and WP doesn't support flash, so not sure what are you going to do. Android just went with everyone else about Flash. In reality, Flash is a resource hog. Im kind of happy that they removed Flash, even though it was a selling point for Android.
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It would be if flash support had anything to do with ICS. Like I said above (sorry, edited my post), flash is no longer available on Google Play, whoever got it has it, others must make do with other methods. So if you were still on GB and didn't have flash installed, you'd be just as screwed now.
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If you do not have flash installed and you are still on GB, you can still install it via APK (there are plenty of those around) and it will work just as good as if you installed it before Aug 15th (the Google Play cutoff).
Unfortunately this is not the case if you are on ICS, regardless if you had previously installed it on GB, it just does not work well on ICS at all.
What it boils down to is until the web content providers migrate away from Flash and move to a delivery system that is cross compatible between Android, iOS, PC Web, the mobile web user is going to have a large void in accessible content. Especially if you visit mainstream sites much like me and my wife.
Remember, not everyone uses their device for the same reasons, nor do they visit the same sites. What may seem trivial to one may not be to another.
With respect to Atrix4G being cancelled. I am sorry that I missed that announcement. The last I read they changed it from 3rd QTR to "To be determined" or something like that, which was the same timeline they gave the Atrix2, and it now has it.
Wasn't adobe flash still supported in ICS?
What do you use flash for? Homestar Runner?
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Where's my Shockwave support ???
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Wasn't adobe flash still supported in ICS?
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The statements that I read from Adobe were that it would work for ICS 4.0.x. I have 4.0.4 and it does not work, for what it is worth.
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The statements that I read from Adobe were that it would work for ICS 4.0.x. I have 4.0.4 and it does not work, for what it is worth.
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Cool. I guess we have modifiable, open-sourced iPhones now.
Thing is, most sites that want attention, especially from mobile users, create apps or mobile-friendly sites. Even my University caught on to that. Mobile tech is where the money's at and my opinion is that Adobe will have to rely on their Creative Suite software for income in the very near future.
Try looking for Adobe 10.3 or older. The APKs are floating all over the xda forums. Not sure it'll help but it's been known to work best for situations like when CM7 didn't have good flash support unless using 10.3 or older.
Flash is heavily used by most of the on-demand/catchup services in the UK, only the BBC have provided an alternative.
I am still somewhat pissed it is no longer supported, resource hog or not I would rather have something that works than sitting there without something because of battery life etc. Gps, high resolution screens, 3g and games all use resources and battery, if we took apple's approach to flash, we would still have nokia 3310s
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Try looking for Adobe 10.3 or older. The APKs are floating all over the xda forums. Not sure it'll help but it's been known to work best for situations like when CM7 didn't have good flash support unless using 10.3 or older.
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Thank you for that suggestion, I will do just that.
I have mixed feelings about Flash. I love it for animations, yet hate it for everything else. Except games, I'm fine with Flash games.
Blame Adobe. They are a crap company who makes overpriced software and regularly takes a dump on any platform that is not Windows or Mac.
What he really wants guys is to all of you look at his point of view what you all are not really doing.
Like 2 or 3 said before in old post of this thread resource hog or not (Battery eater) some people like flash and use it as their everyday, sometimes I used Adoble Flash in my Atrix many times and it worked really well, shame I don't have my Atrix anymore.