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What software do you plan on using?

Thought this might be interesting given that there would only be two phones that support the 480x800 resolution (other being the Touch HD)
What software would you plan or like to use on the X1?
I would like to see support for:
IM+ or JiveTalk
S2U2 (A_C probably won't make a special version for the X1 so it could work)
SPB Mobile Shell
GoogleMaps
Slingbox Mobile
iDialer
MyMobiler
Good video player to play movies with
What about you all?

Don't expect slingplayer mobile optimized for that resolution, after talking to someone who works for Sling Media he said next down the road is VGA optimization, iPhone support, Blackberry support, then POSSIBLY Android.

Black93300ZX said:
Don't expect slingplayer mobile optimized for that resolution, after talking to someone who works for Sling Media he said next down the road is VGA optimization, iPhone support, Blackberry support, then POSSIBLY Android.
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Yea it will probably be a while before Sling Media makes it way to wvga but it would be nice.

Black You Are 100% correct
Black93300ZX said:
Don't expect slingplayer mobile optimized for that resolution, after talking to someone who works for Sling Media he said next down the road is VGA optimization, iPhone support, Blackberry support, then POSSIBLY Android.
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Yeah, you are 1000% correct, I was invited to certain new beta program over at Slinmedia {cannot call the name at this time}, but I heared the same thing concerning the Xpreia X1 and the HTC Touch HD.
Black as you might know, the SlingPlayer mobile works with the Samsung Omnia i900, but it does not fit the screen right, maybe the same thing with the Xperia X1. I have a Hauppauge WinTV PVR 150 TV tuner on my home PC that will bring me live satellite TV via DirecTV via the Orb sever client. I can entertain myself from anywhere on the planet, where I can make a Internet connection with my entire Multi Media Library coming to me from my home PC. So their is no problem for me, when it comes to live TV or mobile entertainment on my Xperia X1a............!

Technology said:
Yeah, you are 1000% correct, I was invited to certain new beta program over at Slinmedia {cannot call the name at this time}, but I heared the same thing concerning the Xpreia X1 and the HTC Touch HD.
Black as you might know, the SlingPlayer mobile works with the Samsung Omnia i900, but it does not fit the screen right, maybe the same thing with the Xperia X1. I have a Hauppauge WinTV PVR 150 TV tuner on my home PC that will bring me live satellite TV via DirecTV via the Orb sever client. I can entertain myself from anywhere on the planet, where I can make a Internet connection with my entire Multi Media Library coming to me from my home PC. So their is no problem for me, when it comes to live TV or mobile entertainment on my Xperia X1a............!
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I already have a slingbox, but I don't plan to get a WVGA phone anyhow so I have no issues.

You Next Phone
Black93300ZX said:
I already have a slingbox, but I don't plan to get a WVGA phone anyhow so I have no issues.
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Black, what will be your next phone? I'm also looking at the 103 and the 301 by velocity mobile...........!

Technology said:
Black, what will be your next phone? I'm also looking at the 103 and the 301 by velocity mobile...........!
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Hey Tech I was checking out the specs on the 103 and 301 maybe I was lookin at the wrong ones but they didn't look they great sounds like if there worthy enough though could did compare them against the x1

103 and 301 is my second Choice Now Samsung Got A USA 3g Omnia I900L At The FCC
Keland44 said:
Hey Tech I was checking out the specs on the 103 and 301 maybe I was lookin at the wrong ones but they didn't look they great sounds like if there worthy enough though could did compare them against the x1
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As you know, the Xperia is still my #1 girl, but I got eyes for the 103 and her big sister the 301, both got TV OUT, that's one feature I want on my Next toy. I know already the USA Xperia X1a version will not be out until Jan. 2009. Another thing I know, AT&T will NOT be carring the Xperia X1a, {That's What I was Told Yesterday}, but it will still work on AT&T's 3g 850/1900 MHz UMTS or they might sell it unlock. So I'm going to leave myself open to make changes, if needed....!

Technology said:
As you know, the Xperia is still my #1 girl, but I got eyes for the 103 and her big sister the 301, both got TV OUT, that's one feature I want on my Next toy. I know already the USA Xperia X1a version will not be out until Jan. 2009. Another thing I know, AT&T will NOT be carring the Xperia X1a, {That's What I was Told Yesterday}, but it will still work on AT&T's 3g 850/1900 MHz UMTS or they might sell it unlock. So I'm going to leave myself open to make changes, if needed....!
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Well that sucks ATT isn't goin to carry it seems like I'm goin to have to get a Tilt a Fuze or get an unlocked X1a probably goin be around 500. That's pretty steep for a phone.
They give any reasoning for ATT not carrying it? I would have a problem switching to tmobile other then the fact that I just switched the wife to ATT

BBC iPlayer on HTC Touch HD

Can anyone confirm if BBCiPlayer is compatible with Opera 9.5.
I'm a Nokia n95 8gb user, soon to return to WM when Expansys deliver my early Christmas/late birthday present.
Wouldnt it be soo cool to watch bbc iplayer on this baby!!

Same Here
I am returning back to my WM. I had an iPhone, used for two weeks but did not like it, too complicated, so gone for sale.. now I am returning to my WM and just order my new Touch HD from expansys today. Window mobile are much easy to use and simply the best. I like to see HTC add more useful features on this new Touch HD before final release.

Waiting Time
Thats great. I hope you don't have to wait too long being you just preordered recently.
I know many at xda-dev forum ( including myself ) and elsewhere have been on that one form of preordering list since the phone was made official.
I hope Expansys don't keep everyone waiting too long after they get stock.

not bothered about it running on the touch to be honest (have a kaiser)
but i'm surprised theres little talk about getting iplayer working properly on windows mobile in general .
i've heard that opera and flash works, but i cant get it working at all
can anyone (surely someone in the know must do) confirm/deny if it is at all possible?

thefunkygibbon said:
not bothered about it running on the touch to be honest (have a kaiser)
but i'm surprised theres little talk about getting iplayer working properly on windows mobile in general .
i've heard that opera and flash works, but i cant get it working at all
can anyone (surely someone in the know must do) confirm/deny if it is at all possible?
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Yes. I Second that. iPlayer is as much a killer app to me as youtube.
Am I the only one who is keen to use their mobile to watch the BEEB ?

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Yeah I'm massive I Player fan. I used to listen to 5Live every morning in the bathroom with my Wizard and Wifi. I think the Beeb changed something as it suddenly stopped working with Realplayer 1.
I am surprised its taking this long to get a solution for WM for I player. I have just moved to a Diamond and will move to a Touch HD later next year.
I hope anyone doing searches for IPhone apps comes across our discussions about an I-Player... !

I believe the HD has crossed the seas and is now in the UK, well the preview batch anyways..
Could anyone that has the HD confirm if it works with the BEEB ??

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I believe the HD has crossed the seas and is now in the UK, well the preview batch anyways..
Could anyone that has the HD confirm if it works with the BEEB ??
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strange, as the HD has been delayed until the middle of november.

Raziel1 said:
strange, as the HD has been delayed until the middle of november.
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Just reviewing stock status across a number of suppliers - seems the release date in the UK has been brought forward to the 7th November - maybe even sooner! Both Play and Expansys have revised "ready to ship" dates?
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I have spoken to a friend at orange who says they have sHD stock arriving today for sale on Monday 3rd. He has be saying this all week and is a very reliable source.

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Could anyone that has the HD confirm if it works with the BEEB ??
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I have a HD on order from Handtec.com and should have it on the 12th (or earlier) - I already have the Raphael and have been testing on a regular basis with Opera 9.5 and the latest Flash release - there was some improvement but its still not actually showing the streaming video?
As far as I'm aware there is still no i-Player codec for either Core Player or Windows Media Player. I think that the issue is one for the BBC to resolve rather than a hardware problem (i.e. once it works it will work on all Win Mob Pro phones that can show video?)
So..... unless HTC have a new Opera version just for the HD (Possible) or have negotiated with the BBC (As Apple have - Unlikely???) to allow the content only on the HD then I think we'll have to wait for the BBC (Aunty for the older Brits on here) to step up and provide either a codec or dedicated mobile player?
Hope my thoughts provide some help and guidance - and maybe spark some more debate?
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I've been trying for some hours today to get the streams from BBC Mobile working with little success.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mobile/index.shtml
If I look at BBC mobile on my X7500 using explorer there is a link showing "Watch Live TV" I can then click on a channel which downloads a link and then launches Coreplayer which immediately complains that it can't do anything with it.
Anybody else had any joy?
Cheers
Matthew

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7459669.stm
Does that webpage and all its features work for any Touch HD users?

SingaporeAirlines said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7459669.stm
Does that webpage and all its features work for any Touch HD users?
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My Kaiser tells me that the content is only available in the UK but my computer through the same router is fine
why is this ????

SlashGear.com mentions content from the BBC iPlayer.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-touch-hd-video-demo-and-qa-3121040/
"Q. Can the Touch HD’s Opera browser play content from BBC iPlayer, Hulu or other streaming sites?
A. No. For instance, the iPlayer site loadsbut the streaming video component does not. There is a streaming video app, separate from the YouTube player, but that requires a specific url to load".

Jezwick said:
My Kaiser tells me that the content is only available in the UK but my computer through the same router is fine
why is this ????
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Oh of course - BBC NEWS 24 is a UK only channel as it's paid by us TV License payers. And no one in the UK on this forum seems to have the Touch HD so it wouldn't work.
D'oh !

I think it's just a matter of time before BBC iPlayer works on the Touch HD. They have expanded support for many smartphones and PMP's.

The issue from the BBC's point of view is simply demand - making Iplayer available for platforms like the ipod touch and Iphone is a no brainer since there are huge numbers of those devices in the UK, and their users are very much focussed on video and multimedia. With Windows Mobile the case isn't quite so clear - its users are in much smaller numbers for one, and many - perhaps the greater majority - are simply business users with no desire to watch TV on their mobile, and quite possibly inadequate hardware for the task in any case (since the vast majority of WinMo handsets are not high resolution, big screen devices like the HD). Realistically, the HD alone is not going to significantly advance the cause.

While I agree with you, it would be nice if the BBC used an open standard so any platform could watch their shows. Nothing to do with the HD except more devices like this will mean maybe it will become an issue.

Kangburra said:
While I agree with you, it would be nice if the BBC used an open standard so any platform could watch their shows. Nothing to do with the HD except more devices like this will mean maybe it will become an issue.
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Sure, but they have to protect their copyright first and foremost - and ensure it's only license fee payers in the UK who get the benefit - so whatever platforms they support can't be too open.

Will Windows Mobile ever....

Get applications like you can get for the iPhone?
I have just had a 'demo' of a load of free apps for the Iphone on a colleagues Iphone and I must admit I was impressed and very surprised, I had always discounted the Iphone as an option for me due to the many (well documented) short commings for power users. However after seeing such applications as the Tioti TV+ which is so quick and smooth and lets you send remote record requests to a Sky+ box - somehting I have been desperate for. Along with great film and cinema applications and many other very neat applications which aren't available on Windows Mobile, I am begining to wonder if I made the wrong decision in purchassing my touch HD??!
Just thought I would share my thoughts with you all....I am sure I will get a barrage of abuse for this post, but would love to know if we think the future of windows mobile may include some more intuitive and consistently looking applications.
P.S. If anyone knows of a SKY+ remote record app which is designed for Windows Mobile I would love to know!

A related question from a relative novice when it comes to downloading and installing apps... is there anything like the iPhone appstore for Windows mobile apps - where applications are listed with screenshots, descriptions, what phones/resolution they work on, etc? I've seen lots of great home-grown apps, and lots of vendor websites that seem to be pedalling a specific product, but haven't seen anything that attempts to bring it all together?
Thanks,
Dave

davehodgkinson said:
A related question from a relative novice when it comes to downloading and installing apps... is there anything like the iPhone appstore for Windows mobile apps - where applications are listed with screenshots, descriptions, what phones/resolution they work on, etc? I've seen lots of great home-grown apps, and lots of vendor websites that seem to be pedalling a specific product, but haven't seen anything that attempts to bring it all together?
Thanks,
Dave
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www.handango.com for example....

jrshodges said:
Get applications like you can get for the iPhone?
I have just had a 'demo' of a load of free apps for the Iphone on a colleagues Iphone and I must admit I was impressed and very surprised, I had always discounted the Iphone as an option for me due to the many (well documented) short commings for power users. However after seeing such applications as the Tioti TV+ which is so quick and smooth and lets you send remote record requests to a Sky+ box - somehting I have been desperate for. Along with great film and cinema applications and many other very neat applications which aren't available on Windows Mobile, I am begining to wonder if I made the wrong decision in purchassing my touch HD??!
Just thought I would share my thoughts with you all....I am sure I will get a barrage of abuse for this post, but would love to know if we think the future of windows mobile may include some more intuitive and consistently looking applications.
P.S. If anyone knows of a SKY+ remote record app which is designed for Windows Mobile I would love to know!
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I don't use Sky+ and have no idea on apps for this - but, I understood it is possible to control the Sky+ box remotely just via an SMS ?
Another possible option is a Slingbox ?
Try also pocketgear.com for applications: http://www.pocketgear.com/en_US/html/index.jsp
and, Softpedia: http://handheld.softpedia.com/#categories-soft

A five second search on google / sky produced this:
http://anytime.sky.com/mobile.aspx

And clicking through to the supported handsets only lists a few manufacturers and I don't think there are any WM devices.
I think it's a Java app? It might work (I don't have Sky, so can't test!).

Cheesy Dave said:
A five second search on google / sky produced this:
http://anytime.sky.com/mobile.aspx
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Perhaps you should read on as there is no compatible version for Windows Mobile 6.1 (HTC Touch HD)!
Hawk

You need to analyse your own requirements before deciding if iphone or HD is right for you.
For me, the lack of GPS software (google map doesnt qualify), office applications, user swappable spare battery, inability to support stylus, and lack of choices in software keyboard in iphone make it an unacceptable choice.
Another person's need might be different.
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Get applications like you can get for the iPhone?
I have just had a 'demo' of a load of free apps for the Iphone on a colleagues Iphone and I must admit I was impressed and very surprised, I had always discounted the Iphone as an option for me due to the many (well documented) short commings for power users. However after seeing such applications as the Tioti TV+ which is so quick and smooth and lets you send remote record requests to a Sky+ box - somehting I have been desperate for. Along with great film and cinema applications and many other very neat applications which aren't available on Windows Mobile, I am begining to wonder if I made the wrong decision in purchassing my touch HD??!
Just thought I would share my thoughts with you all....I am sure I will get a barrage of abuse for this post, but would love to know if we think the future of windows mobile may include some more intuitive and consistently looking applications.
P.S. If anyone knows of a SKY+ remote record app which is designed for Windows Mobile I would love to know!
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Nighthawk2050 said:
Perhaps you should read on as there is no compatible version for Windows Mobile 6.1 (HTC Touch HD)!
Hawk
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I've installed the JAVA components and they work on Windows Mobile 6.1 - the issue is that the software expects you to have a keyboard (or a keypad) attached to input various details .... so you can't use it on a Touch HD !

Thank you for all your comments and suggestions, however I don't beleive sites like handandgo etc are anything like the Iphone Appstore, the apps cost a lot more and you have no idea of compatability. I don't beleive you can easily browse for apps on your handset, like you can with for example the Iphone.
I am not saying I think the Iphone is the best choice of phone, but they certainly got somehting right with the app store and wondered if Microsoft will listen up and provide developers an easy route to dev similar apps for windows mobile?!
I Have tried all the Java Sky remote apps before and as you have spotted they do not work with a touch screen device if it doesn't have hardware buttons too. Also even if it did work it is not very user freindly - I was using this as a example of a really usefull app, which I am amazed has not been built for Windows Mobile touch devices too....it just seems weird why there are so many great little apps for the Iphone, which are so easy to download and browse though, yet it has only been about a relatively short time in comparison with Windows Mobile....I find this most annoying!
Anyway, thanks again for your input

jrshodges said:
Thank you for all your comments and suggestions, however I don't beleive sites like handandgo etc are anything like the Iphone Appstore, the apps cost a lot more and you have no idea of compatability. I don't beleive you can easily browse for apps on your handset, like you can with for example the Iphone.
I am not saying I think the Iphone is the best choice of phone, but they certainly got somehting right with the app store and wondered if Microsoft will listen up and provide developers an easy route to dev similar apps for windows mobile?!
I Have tried all the Java Sky remote apps before and as you have spotted they do not work with a touch screen device if it doesn't have hardware buttons too. Also even if it did work it is not very user freindly - I was using this as a example of a really usefull app, which I am amazed has not been built for Windows Mobile touch devices too....it just seems weird why there are so many great little apps for the Iphone, which are so easy to download and browse though, yet it has only been about a relatively short time in comparison with Windows Mobile....I find this most annoying!
Anyway, thanks again for your input
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You're welcome and good luck with your choice - still an Iphone ?
Yes, the apps in WM are expensive and there is no simple app store. Rumours are around that MS will fix this.
Having said that, the app developers for WM are doing some great work. I have loads of apps on my HD (see other forum posts I've made recently).
I would like a TV guide app that brings in channels from across Europe. That is, one that would allow me to select my favorite channels.
Sorry the Sky+ thing did not work, as I said, I don't have any experience with this. I'm surprised the keyboard SIP did not work when using the java app.

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www.handango.com for example....
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Thank you - will take a look around that and the others suggested by people. I suspect my response will be similar to jrshodges - not overly clear on compatibility and quite expensive. But I won't be pessimistic...
Thanks again.
Dave

Cheesy Dave said:
You're welcome and good luck with your choice - still an Iphone ?
Yes, the apps in WM are expensive and there is no simple app store. Rumours are around that MS will fix this.
Having said that, the app developers for WM are doing some great work. I have loads of apps on my HD (see other forum posts I've made recently).
I would like a TV guide app that brings in channels from across Europe. That is, one that would allow me to select my favorite channels.
Sorry the Sky+ thing did not work, as I said, I don't have any experience with this. I'm surprised the keyboard SIP did not work when using the java app.
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Cheers Dave, no - not an Iphone...yet...I am happy to persevere with my WinMo device for the forseeable as I do belive I would miss, like others Sat Nav (which by the way I use TomTom and it looks and works great) ease of Exchange sync etc etc.
I just wanted to rant for a bit about the lack of decent and easily accesable apps for WinMo....in the hopes someone would point me in the direction of a lovely MS App Store (wishful thinking!). I hope you are right and wee do see something from MS soon, although I guess they will wait and in include it in Windows Mobile 6.5 or 7 - although by the sounds of it that won't be anytime soon :-(
And if anyone does ever find a decent TV guide and Sky + App then please remember this thread and post it for us!

Its also worth mentioning that although there are a lot of iPhone apps, and yes they are cheap, most are useless eye candy that have about 2 minutes worth of value in them.

Check out my list of apps here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3116988#post3116988
Also, of course, the wiki page:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Software
I don't know much about the Apple apps. But, I can say that some of these WM apps are really serious work and clearly have had lots of effort and thought applied to them.
My latest addition is Pocket Stars - a bit of astronomy fun for me, but a serious app for enthusiasts.

The iphone is for simple folk. The app store is for simple folk. IE it works.
WM is bit more complicated but gives those of you willing to use it a lot more freedom.

I do wish there were more apps and games for the HD.
I have both the Iphone and HD at home (well the Mrs has the iphone) once jailbroken the iphone is truly amazing and I almost wish i had one instead, but them my mrs reminds me why i dont have one, I would get board in no time. I played with hers (iphone that is) for a couple of days over the xmas break then went back to playing around on my HD.
Its still early days for the HD and remember the IPHONE has been around for quite some time now.
Give it a little time and the HD will be up there with the iphone, you already starting to see some really nice app/games coming out.
My only other wish would be some way to get multi-touch to work on HD as it makes games very playable on iphone.

The problem with Microsoft trying to replicate the iPhone App Store is that Apple have 2 different handsets to maintain, which are practically identical except for the GPS/3G.
There are many different versions of WM in use, with many software customisations by handset manufacturers and operators and varying hardware abilities.
I'm not sure how it would be possible to test the full range of devices that a particular application may work with. On top of that, people may or may not have updated the firmware for their device, which can break (or fix) applications.
I'd love to see it, but it's certainly more difficult supporting hundreds of different handsets customised by many operators rather than 1 and a bit

I saw on here that someone is working very hard to make a form of "app store" that will work on phones (credit to them for the effort) its called Gecko...i found the link on the forum. Give it time, I think it will come...

Flash?

I've read various reviews saying the flash support doesnt work properly or is crap. Can anyone who hs actually tried it on here comment?
I'm tempted to get one tonight!
Also - does the BBCi player work over cellular network or only wifi like the iphone?
Thanks

So far flash support is pretty terrible. BBC flash content doesn't work. Only flash thing I've seen work so far is a little Cyanide and Happiness short and even that was juddery.

I read somewhere that it has Flash lite, which is on par with version 8 of flash. since we are all on version 10 in the desktop world I think it fair to say its behind. especially since the best advances in the latter versions are to do with video. So most video flash on the web with be 9 or 10 so no chance on the hero. Remember that Adobe said they are doing flash for devices stated to come out at end of 09 early 10. for ALL but the iphone...
You see apple would lose quite a bit if people could simply play FREE flash games and not purchase games through the app store.

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Also - does the BBCi player work over cellular network or only wifi like the iphone?
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Android isn't officially supported by the BBC iPlayer, but Beebplayer (on the market) effectively spoofs the iPlayer site to send an Android compatible stream that works fine in most cases, including via 3G (your mileage may vary!).
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Android isn't officially supported by the BBC iPlayer, but Beebplayer (on the market) effectively spoofs the iPlayer site to send an Android compatible stream that works fine in most cases, including via 3G (your mileage may vary!).
Regards,
Dave
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Yeah, i'll second this beebplayer does the trick , not the best quality but it works

barryallott said:
I read somewhere that it has Flash lite, which is on par with version 8 of flash. since we are all on version 10 in the desktop world I think it fair to say its behind. especially since the best advances in the latter versions are to do with video. So most video flash on the web with be 9 or 10 so no chance on the hero.
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This sounds crap, dont think I'll bother!
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xBounds

I was searching around for an alternative to Airplay without a wireless TV with my 10.1, and I stumbled upon this.
http://droidcon.nl/?p=3616
It's called xBounds. Anyone heard of this? I see that the video was posted the 25th and I'm surprised at the low views.

thats great

Exactly what i was looking for as Dlna is just crap for compatibility and so slow and clumsy to use. This xbounds looks awesome.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

I saw the video about xBounds also.
Is really cool. I sent an e-mail to the team and they answered:
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Sorry for the slow reply. xBounds is not available for end-users yet, as it is not an app that can easily be installed on the phone.
We are talking to numerous cell phone makers and are confident that xBounds will become available by Q3 this year.
We will let you know as soon the technology is available!
By the way, xBounds supports all the use cases you described and it makes gaming real phone on a large TV using you phone as a controller
Regards
Heiko Henkel
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The use cases what he is talking about is a description what I wrote about play HD games like Shadowgun and play high quality videos in .MKV format.
This device is very usefull if your handset don't have any tv-out hardware, and if you already have some you can start to think wireless.
People from Amsterdan can find to buy at droidcon (droidcon.nl).
It seems to work with any android with wifi, and also bluethoot and usb (seriously I don't know how).
The Xperia Play users are running in circles while shaking money to buy it xP.
PS: sry for the english