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I just Read an article stating that 2.3 will be scraped, but that doesn't coincide with 2.3.3.
The Article is on pocket-lint.com or Search Google for the Phrase "Android 2.4 coming April, leaving 2.3 dead on arrival - not Ice Cream"
Sorry can't post a link.
I was looking for any sort of Response about this on the Forum or the Main Site on XDA.
Since I didn't find anything, I decided to post it.
It is interesting though, what does it mean for the Nexus S?
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IronSingh
Well if you look at it like that all OS versions are "scrapped" in the end.
My guess is the 2.3.3 will be a bugfix (reboots anyone? ^^) and NFC upgrade (as its mainly disabled in 2.3.2). And 2.4 is the next update, ovbiously making 2.3 redundant.
It's almost like seeing a report saying windows7 retail is cancelled because sp1 is coming out
IMO gingerbread/NS were rushed for the holiday release and proof is in this 2.4 update.
2.3 has too many issues poor 3d performance compared to 2.1-2.2 galaxy s FPS is inconsistent, compass is messed up ...movement is too jerky, dropped calls, crappy browser performance not 3d accelerated, the CPU seems to down clocks even when it shouldn't this might explain the inconsistent/stutter FPS when running 3d apps becasue setting CPU to performance with set SETCPU seems to smooth things out.
demo23019 said:
IMO gingerbread/NS were rushed for the holiday release and proof is in this 2.4 update.
2.3 has too many issues poor 3d performance compared to 2.1-2.2 galaxy s FPS is inconsistent, compass is messed up ...movement is too jerky, dropped calls
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that's exactly the case.... like common being released on Mid Dec 2010, just a few days shy for the holiday... it's way to obvious
and all the small bugs we find here and there are prove of that
usually going from say for example 2.1 to 2.2 are like major changes
but now we got 2.3 and 2.4 that seems more like a routine maintenance release
jamiemac1977 said:
Well if you look at it like that all OS versions are "scrapped" in the end.
My guess is the 2.3.3 will be a bugfix (reboots anyone? ^^) and NFC upgrade (as its mainly disabled in 2.3.2). And 2.4 is the next update, ovbiously making 2.3 redundant.
It's almost like seeing a report saying windows7 retail is cancelled because sp1 is coming out
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What I mean is Why 2.3.3 when 2.4 is the actual Update.
AFAIK 2.3.3 is for Upgrade to NFC capabilities like stated in the first link over here.
Reboot issue doesn't seem to be addressed. I haven't faced the reboot issue yet, so I am not worried about that.
I think 2.4 is rushed 2.2 was somewhere in June or July, 2.3 was in Late November. 2.4 will likely be hereby March. The Gaps are getting shorter, the only way I see it is they are leaving less time to do the testing or Programmers have gotten faster leaving more time for Testing. More Likely the the earlier assumption as we can see with the problem on the Nexus.
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AllGamer said:
that's exactly the case.... like common being released on Mid Dec 2010, just a few days shy for the holiday... it's way to obvious
and all the small bugs we find here and there are prove of that
usually going from say for example 2.1 to 2.2 are like major changes
but now we got 2.3 and 2.4 that seems more like a routine maintenance release
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Very true
it does seem isolated to 2.3 becasue i loaded 2.3 on my vibrant and had same poor results
I hope some of these issues are not just becasue google wanted to improve battery life on NS .... sacrifice performance
And hopefully not overlooked with 2.4
Seems like Android 2.4 can land as soon as early April 2011 but not as Android 2.4 Ice cream, instead it will be a continuation update of Android 2.3 Gingerbread. This news was sparked by tech blog pocket-lint claiming that his sources at ViewSonic have revealed that the ViewSonic will launch their ViewPad 4 Smartphone in early April with Android 2.4. This Android update will not bring any name change and it will be still known as Android 2.4 Gingerbread. So what is it going to do? Well it is said that the Android 2.4 will essentially bring the compatibility with dual-core applications that are customized for Android 3.0 Honeycomb to the currently available single-core devices.
Xanaki said:
Seems like Android 2.4 can land as soon as early April 2011 but not as Android 2.4 Ice cream, instead it will be a continuation update of Android 2.3 Gingerbread. This news was sparked by tech blog pocket-lint claiming that his sources at ViewSonic have revealed that the ViewSonic will launch their ViewPad 4 Smartphone in early April with Android 2.4. This Android update will not bring any name change and it will be still known as Android 2.4 Gingerbread. So what is it going to do? Well it is said that the Android 2.4 will essentially bring the compatibility with dual-core applications that are customized for Android 3.0 Honeycomb to the currently available single-core devices.
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that's so confusing, yet so clear
Google have been sort of "advertizing" for a while that 3.0 will bring dual core support for Tablets only
but they never mentioned nothing about supporting phones with dual core
2.4 seems to be a logical place for them to test dual core support for phones, specially with the horrible test results shown on the LG phone
Wouldn't it make more Sense to Make another Branch or have some different Name Desgnation for Android for Tablet.
I don't see how the Smart Phones will skip 3.0 altogether, (I understand Smartphones will get 3.1). But the Code for Tablet and Smartphone should be similar how can it be that 3.0 will not be suitable for Smartphones.
I mean the Hardware is basically the same, they are basically stretched out phones.
The Tegra 2 in LG will be redundant in many of the early tablets.
I just don't see how they will battle the battery issue from Dual Core Processor on a phone for a while. I see dual core doing better in Tablets for the moment.
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IronSingh
lol just freaking lovely
i love to see 2.4 update soon.. Btw, i don't feel any problems with my current nexus S. The only problem is poor wifi connection and long charging time, i never had issue with dropped calls, reboot, etc..
: cough :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=863837
Edit: For those who don't want to read through an entire thread, in short, yeah, it's likely Gingerbread was rushed.
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I think 2.4 is rushed 2.2 was somewhere in June or July, 2.3 was in Late November. 2.4 will likely be hereby March. The Gaps are getting shorter, the only way I see it is they are leaving less time to do the testing or Programmers have gotten faster leaving more time for Testing.
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You're forgetting about the 2.0 and 2.1 releases. 2.0 was released in late Nov on the Droid. No other phone ever got it and it was quickly replaced in early January with 2.1. In other words, it looks pretty much exactly like the 2.3-2.4 situation.
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You're forgetting about the 2.0 and 2.1 releases. 2.0 was released in late Nov on the Droid. No other phone ever got it and it was quickly replaced in early January with 2.1. In other words, it looks pretty much exactly like the 2.3-2.4 situation.
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exactly the case here
I agree that it is the 2.0 - 2.1 situation again. Google rushed both out to get the phones out. I've been wondering if the delay for Nexus One is that they are actually going to push 2.4 to it and skip 2.3. 2.4 is still Gingerbread, so they aren't lying that Nexus One will get Gingerbread ... they just never specified the version.
So it looks like 2.4 is real and HTC phones are being released with it next month!!!
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-confirms-incredible-s-ship-froyo-will-get-update-24-soon-after
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So it looks like 2.4 is real and HTC phones are being released with it next month!!!
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-confirms-incredible-s-ship-froyo-will-get-update-24-soon-after
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HTC has confirmed via Twitter that its new Incredible S will run Android 2.2 out of the box, but will receive an update to version 2.4 shortly after launch. The Desire S and Wildfire S, however, will run 2.4 when they're released.
This discrepancy is most likely down to release timing -- the Incredible S launches next month, whereas the Desire S and Wildfire S are slated for release during the second quarter of the year.
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Nothing is being released with it next month you should read the articles you post
Oh ok I read wrong!!! Sorry
http://phandroid.com/2011/05/10/andy-rubin-confirms-a-new-nexus-is-coming/
We're gonna be obsolete
Not me I am getting it day one!! That of course if its on T-mobile!!!
I'll stick with my Nexus S until Ice Cream sees a .1 or .2 update, work some bugs out. The Nexus S won't be 18 months old until next May.
ehmm. this year:
phone= NO!
tab= YES.
next year:
phone=YES
tab=yes?
nothing in that post/blog or w/e
says its coming this year.
and google never did and never will bring a new nexus the same year as the nexus S(in this case)if its a phone.it has been confirmed google was looking for a nexus tab for this year.
Well, if it will have better specs than the SGSII, I may sell my Nexus S and pay the difference for the upgrade. What I really want in a phone is stutter-free 720p HD-Video recording which the SGSII will have.
Of course I'd prefer a Nexus family phone over the SGSII, so here's to hoping they release it soon!
Right now, Ice Cream Sandwich is scheduled for release in Q4. Which makes it pretty safe to say we won't see it until Q4 2011 at the earliest. Assuming they make the new Nexus the launch platform (or at least launch it with Ice Cream Sandwich stock), that means we're not going to see it until September or later, which would be roughly on par with the amount of time that passed between the releases of the Nexus One and Nexus S.
In short, I don't think we need to be imminently concerned. Anyway, I expect Ice Cream Sandwich will get released officially for the Nexus S in relatively short order once it is available. Google has been pretty good about that to date with the Nexus One. The only thing that might be considered "obsolete" about the Nexus S by then will be its hardware, and if the way the market has been developing lately is any indication, that'll happen whether Google releases a new Nexus or not. Everyone here knew when the Nexus S was released that dual core and other fun things were just over the horizon, and they bought it anyway. None of this is really news.
hmm, since ice cream sandwich is only coming in q4, i guess it's safe to say this 'new phone' won't come out till then. and q4 is kinda the time we got our nexus s. makes perfect sense to me
EDIT: aw dammit, i started typing then afked. now i realise my post just looks like a summary of zorak90's.
Yeah, so far Google's track record has been roughly every 11 months. So Q4 would make sense.
The announcement about 18 month support for phones is perfect for me, I get free hardware upgrades with my plan at 18 month intervals.
18 months is a long time in the cell world and I'll revisit what i want as a device then. I know my current one is probably a little outdated, but it's fast for what i need, it's got prompt (well somewhat.. still waiting on 2.3.4) updates and will probably be supported for much longer then the 18 months (if the nexus one is any indication)
I'm not too worried.
Im not surprised they anounced a new nexus it is Google I/O.
Next I/O wont be till next year...after the timeframe the next nexus is due
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Let me just point out- since the Nexus One is playing a prominent role in this discussion- that although I don't expect the Nexus One to not get Ice Cream Sandwich, I also think the ground to expect it will is shaky. Let's all remember that the Nexus One was released in January 2010, which was sixteen months ago now. Ice Cream Sandwich isn't due out until September at the earliest. Now Google seems to be pushing the 18 month support standard, which would put Ice Cream Sandwich outside the N1's support period. Since these announcements all came on the same day, it seems to me that Google is (among other, more honorable motives) maneuvering to excuse itself from the responsibility of upgrading the N1 should doing so prove impractical for them.
I too am excited, and if Google does what they did with the Nexus S we could see it launch with Ice Cream. I am just hoping they bring more new things. I am so buying it if it comes to T-Mobile.
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from what was mentioned before, it's not going to be the SGS2, but rather another incarnation of LG Dual Core
some one already leaked this out a couple of months back, just search the forum messages
The Nexus has been the device we’ve used to set the bar. The market works in cycles that revolves around the holidays and summertime. We’ll make an announcement in the future.
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Christmas
And I'll bet Sprint gets it at release (in addition to T-Mobile)
This announcements seems like bad timing for the Nexus S 4G return window!
Looks like I will be holding onto my Evo till Q4...
They didn't really confirm anything about a new Nexus. They did, however, say they're gonna have Ice Cream Sandwich out in about 6 months, which is realistically when a new Nexus would come out. So...probably yes, but till like a year after the Nexus S launched. Money on December or so.
the article was rather obscure just saying that another google branded phone will be developed some time in the future...
we were all expecting quite a lot when we heard the nexus s was going to be released considering samsung did not follow through on some of the other features promised early on during development (gorilla glass, tv out, hd video).
despite this im still happy and to all our nexus one people there are very few hardware differences between the two so i doubt that google will stop updating on that front. in fact the upcoming "ice cream sandwich (TBA Q4)" was said to start standardizing os' between all android users on stock roms while still allowing a jumping off platform for developers and mod communities
I'll be going iPhone5 in september.
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Let me just point out- since the Nexus One is playing a prominent role in this discussion- that although I don't expect the Nexus One to not get Ice Cream Sandwich, I also think the ground to expect it will is shaky. Let's all remember that the Nexus One was released in January 2010, which was sixteen months ago now. Ice Cream Sandwich isn't due out until September at the earliest. Now Google seems to be pushing the 18 month support standard, which would put Ice Cream Sandwich outside the N1's support period. Since these announcements all came on the same day, it seems to me that Google is (among other, more honorable motives) maneuvering to excuse itself from the responsibility of upgrading the N1 should doing so prove impractical for them.
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your wrong on the suport part and the 18 month thing.
the 18month thing is excluded from the nexus line.
all nexus's will get all update's until the device cant handle it anymore.
the 18month rule is for all the other devices out there
So now that we have a pretty stable sense 3.0/android 2.3.3 rom thanks to virus. Whats next for the evo world? Ice Cream Sandwich AOSP*possibly* will run on evo(ill explain why in paragraph 2).Sense 3.1(or whatever will be next sense)less probable to run(if it does it will have EGL issues up the A**, of course).
At Google IO 2011, google had some pretty cool sh*t([email protected]=dope). But with ice cream sandwich coming, will google up their hardware requirements(possibly,50/50).Especially with those cool google apps coming(google music beta, awesome)
Another topic covered by googleis that a number of vendors:Verizon, HTC, Samsung, Sprint, Sony Ericsson, LG, Tmobile, Vodafone, Motorola, and AT&T have comitted to providing the latest updates for their devices for 18 months. Now, the HTC Evo 4G launched on June 4, 2010(Duh),now adding 18 months to that makes it December 4, 2011. Now, Ice Cream Sandwich is *Rumored* to be released in late November or early December. So their is hope evo will get ice cream if its hardware still supports it, but htc may get lazy and still give us sense 1.0.
Remember, that this is all based on my own *opinions*, and is to be taken as possible outcome.
Its a SANDWICH, not a SUNDAY
But I think the Evo could get it, if it meets the specs, and I believe it should.
And with every new release, its always the beginning of the end, but not to let the end be the beginning.
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Its a SANDWICH, not a SUNDAY
But I think the Evo could get it, if it meets the specs, and I believe it should.
And with every new release, its always the beginning of the end, but not to let the end be the beginning.
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oops, my mistake.
Based off off all information gathered at google io and google.com, i beleive it will get it, but will be stuck at sense 1.0, but our devs will fix that.
The promised 18 months of updates is only for hardware released from Google I/O forward. So we will be lucky if we get it.
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GAYTC said "that the Evo 4g doesn't have the required hardware for 2.3 with sense" Which is another excuse to make you buy the new Evo 3D just so they can get more money off you, With that said it's most likely that the Evo 4g won't be getting ice cream and be left behind because of "the required hardware for it".
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I wish google would hint towards the future for us early adopters..
Forgetabout a new update lets see source!
Google promised updates for 18 months on new devices. http://thisismynext.com/2011/05/10/google-promises-android-devices-updates-18-months/
First tablet to market with Android 3.0
First tablet with Android 3.1
Google has announced 4.0 Ice cream.
Hopefully we'll be the first with 4.0 too
As far as the OP I don't think the question should be about Google updating the xoom really. Google makes honeycomb so i think the real question has to be whether they will update honeycomb again before ice cream comes out. As far as I can tell once the next version of android OS comes out the previous version seems to stop being upgraded (once froyo came eclair stopped moving, froyo stopped updating with gingerbread, etc). Will honeycomb stop with ice cream? judging by the past, probably.
As far as the future of early adopters, I think the best thing to hope for is that the xoom (tegra 2) will be sufficient to run ice cream and be compatible enough that it will appear OTA directly from Google. As far the xoom being the first device to get it, I highly doubt it. Odds are a new "vanilla" device be it phone or tablet will debut the OS (also with whatever developments have been made in mobile processors since tegra2 under the hood). Yes the naked truth is that it is a fast fast moving market.
The percs offered to early xoom owners from google have been: first to get honeycomb 3.1 and guaranteed invitation/acceptance to Google music. Beyond this I don't think Google has anymore special treatment up the sleeves. And I don't immagine they are that stoked about being subtly expected to do damage control for Motorola's 4g problems.
If there does happen to be a HC 3.2 upgrade before ice cream then perhaps xoom owners may be first to get it but at any rate i immagine ice cream ends up on the xoom regardles, either through xda or Google or of course both.
And I think that is the future for xoom owners.
Edit: and just to clarify, I dont think Google exactly promised that they would update devices for 18 months, but rather that their partners have promised to update their devices to run whatever compatible android versions are released for those devices for 18 months. I.e no being stuck on froyo forever even though your phone can run gingerbread. What we would want to hear iis tthat Google promises to release compatible updates for your device for 18 months, but this isnt what they said. Plus that would pivot around device release times which isn't possible. If a new device comes at the end of an OS cycle I doubt Google will carry version for another year because one phone hopped on at the last minute. Btw sorry to be so cynical guys, just calling it as i see it
No update no sd
It will most likely not be updated again and will not receive sd card support anymore.
HC 3.1 is the final version, next version is smoerrebroed 4.0.
hdtvpower
My guess is that the xoom will definitely get ice cream sandwich given that its a pure google device. The nexus s just came out and its specs are worse than the xoom and nexus will definitely get ice cream sandwich. Now whether the other tablets get the upgrade is up to the manufacturer.
Hardware specs are not the limiting factor to getting android upgrades, its manfacturers modding android to fit their custom software like compiz or motoblur.
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ice cream is for cellphones and tablets ( I think this is gonna be for 7" tablets and lower) and honeycomb is a OS optimized for tablets, so I think that we will see more honeycomb updates
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It will most likely not be updated again and will not receive sd card support anymore.
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This is absolute FUD. You don't know that this is true, nor have there been any indications from Google/Moto that this is the case. Stop scaremongering.
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ice cream is for cellphones and tablets ( I think this is gonna be for 7" tablets and lower) and honeycomb is a OS optimized for tablets, so I think that we will see more honeycomb updates
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Ice Cream Sandwich will be the latest version of Android upon release and will apply to everything (phone, tablet, tv). They are not going to continue Honeycomb as some kind of separate "large screen tablet" branch after ics as you seem to be implying.
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My guess is that the xoom will definitely get ice cream sandwich given that its a pure google device. The nexus s just came out and its specs are worse than the xoom and nexus will definitely get ice cream sandwich. Now whether the other tablets get the upgrade is up to the manufacturer.
Hardware specs are not the limiting factor to getting android upgrades, its manfacturers modding android to fit their custom software like compiz or motoblur.
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US Xooms will probably get updates to ICS I guess... didn't they have a prototype of ICS at Google I/O on a Xoom?
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ice cream is for cellphones and tablets ( I think this is gonna be for 7" tablets and lower) and honeycomb is a OS optimized for tablets, so I think that we will see more honeycomb updates
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No, they said it would be merging of the Tablet and Phone - so it should be any sized screen (although that probably just ranges from phone (can't think of lowest size, but lets say for the sake of argument 3" -> tablet 10.1"
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Ice Cream Sandwich will be the latest version of Android upon release and will apply to everything (phone, tablet, tv). They are not going to continue Honeycomb as some kind of separate "large screen tablet" branch after ics as you seem to be implying.
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I concur - that's how I read it all too
Also I imagine there may be a couple of bugfixes along the way but nothing major till ICS (4.0?)
so maybe 3.1.1, 3.1.2, probably not a 3.2 - only if there's a new feature they want to push out that is fairly big...
However - if google are responsible for the SD Card slot - then 3.2 may address that issue - else it'd probably just be a 3.1.1 update judging on how they have done updating numbering on the past...
I think Google had Moto add SD to be ready for Ice cream. Its my idea that that was the plan maybe im crazy but who knows
Was browsing the internet and I came upon this article. The editor has a good point... read on...
This weekend the first wave of Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 reviews were released. Despite an overwhelming appreciation for the hardware, build quality and design, the slate carved out ho-hum scores due to its OS, Android Honeycomb.
As a firm believer in software’s ability to wield better performance from existing hardware I’m perplexed by the Honeycomb situation. Developers are not flocking in droves like I’d expected and in three months we have just a handful of Honeycomb-optimized apps.
The progress is quite unsettling when compared to the original iPad which added nearly 5,000 iPad-specific titles to the App Store in its first 30 days. If apps alone were the measurement of success, Honeycomb would be on the brink of failure. Thankfully that’s not the case, not by a long shot.
It’s not possible to compare Honeycomb to the transition from iOS on the iPhone to iPad. Apple transplanted its OS to a larger screen with only minor adjustments to the UI. Meanwhile, Google built Honeycomb from the ground up as a tablet OS. In time the paths of Gingerbread and Honeycomb will meet with the launch of Ice Cream Sandwich.
The important takeaway for Honeycomb is the browser, email client and multi-tasking are quite refined for a new software build. Google has proven its commitment to the OS by releasing an Android 3.1 update less than two months after the Motorola Xoom launched. A second update, Android 3.2, is scheduled for later this year.
There’s no arguing the slow acceptance of Honeycomb by app developers. Maybe they’re waiting for Ice Cream Sandwich so they can develop with the one-and-done approach. Or maybe they want to see a minimum number of Android tablet owners on the market ready and willing to buy their apps. Whatever the case may be I can promise you that without wide-scale support of the platform through early adopters, Android innovation will come to a grinding halt.
The good news is that apps will come, albeit slower that expected. As a mobile OS, Honeycomb is in a far better position than Android 1.0 was after three months. The best way to approach Honeycomb is to take a deep breath and evaluate the OS for what it is — a fresh build. In that regard the strides are remarkable. With or without apps, Android Honeycomb packs a strong foundation and the bloodline for success.
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With that said, I will be keeping my Galaxy Tab and will be looking forward to the Ice Cream Sandwich release...
But is sammy capable or updating the tabs to ICS or will be releasing tab 3 with ICS
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But is sammy capable or updating the tabs to ICS or will be releasing tab 3 with ICS
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Google announced at I/O that devices purchased will be supported with updates for 18 months from date of purchase, hardware capabilities permitting, of course. So I'd imagine the Galaxy Tab 10.1 should definitely qualify, esp when you think about a lot of the devices being released lately (including the Nexus S which is only a single core phone, so hardware should def not be a problem for ICS).