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Does google plan on updating the xoom again?

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I wish google would hint towards the future for us early adopters..

Forgetabout a new update lets see source!

Google promised updates for 18 months on new devices. http://thisismynext.com/2011/05/10/google-promises-android-devices-updates-18-months/
First tablet to market with Android 3.0
First tablet with Android 3.1
Google has announced 4.0 Ice cream.
Hopefully we'll be the first with 4.0 too

As far as the OP I don't think the question should be about Google updating the xoom really. Google makes honeycomb so i think the real question has to be whether they will update honeycomb again before ice cream comes out. As far as I can tell once the next version of android OS comes out the previous version seems to stop being upgraded (once froyo came eclair stopped moving, froyo stopped updating with gingerbread, etc). Will honeycomb stop with ice cream? judging by the past, probably.
As far as the future of early adopters, I think the best thing to hope for is that the xoom (tegra 2) will be sufficient to run ice cream and be compatible enough that it will appear OTA directly from Google. As far the xoom being the first device to get it, I highly doubt it. Odds are a new "vanilla" device be it phone or tablet will debut the OS (also with whatever developments have been made in mobile processors since tegra2 under the hood). Yes the naked truth is that it is a fast fast moving market.
The percs offered to early xoom owners from google have been: first to get honeycomb 3.1 and guaranteed invitation/acceptance to Google music. Beyond this I don't think Google has anymore special treatment up the sleeves. And I don't immagine they are that stoked about being subtly expected to do damage control for Motorola's 4g problems.
If there does happen to be a HC 3.2 upgrade before ice cream then perhaps xoom owners may be first to get it but at any rate i immagine ice cream ends up on the xoom regardles, either through xda or Google or of course both.
And I think that is the future for xoom owners.
Edit: and just to clarify, I dont think Google exactly promised that they would update devices for 18 months, but rather that their partners have promised to update their devices to run whatever compatible android versions are released for those devices for 18 months. I.e no being stuck on froyo forever even though your phone can run gingerbread. What we would want to hear iis tthat Google promises to release compatible updates for your device for 18 months, but this isnt what they said. Plus that would pivot around device release times which isn't possible. If a new device comes at the end of an OS cycle I doubt Google will carry version for another year because one phone hopped on at the last minute. Btw sorry to be so cynical guys, just calling it as i see it

No update no sd
It will most likely not be updated again and will not receive sd card support anymore.
HC 3.1 is the final version, next version is smoerrebroed 4.0.
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My guess is that the xoom will definitely get ice cream sandwich given that its a pure google device. The nexus s just came out and its specs are worse than the xoom and nexus will definitely get ice cream sandwich. Now whether the other tablets get the upgrade is up to the manufacturer.
Hardware specs are not the limiting factor to getting android upgrades, its manfacturers modding android to fit their custom software like compiz or motoblur.
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ice cream is for cellphones and tablets ( I think this is gonna be for 7" tablets and lower) and honeycomb is a OS optimized for tablets, so I think that we will see more honeycomb updates

hdtvpower said:
It will most likely not be updated again and will not receive sd card support anymore.
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This is absolute FUD. You don't know that this is true, nor have there been any indications from Google/Moto that this is the case. Stop scaremongering.

raviosopr said:
ice cream is for cellphones and tablets ( I think this is gonna be for 7" tablets and lower) and honeycomb is a OS optimized for tablets, so I think that we will see more honeycomb updates
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Ice Cream Sandwich will be the latest version of Android upon release and will apply to everything (phone, tablet, tv). They are not going to continue Honeycomb as some kind of separate "large screen tablet" branch after ics as you seem to be implying.

tumbes20000 said:
My guess is that the xoom will definitely get ice cream sandwich given that its a pure google device. The nexus s just came out and its specs are worse than the xoom and nexus will definitely get ice cream sandwich. Now whether the other tablets get the upgrade is up to the manufacturer.
Hardware specs are not the limiting factor to getting android upgrades, its manfacturers modding android to fit their custom software like compiz or motoblur.
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US Xooms will probably get updates to ICS I guess... didn't they have a prototype of ICS at Google I/O on a Xoom?
raviosopr said:
ice cream is for cellphones and tablets ( I think this is gonna be for 7" tablets and lower) and honeycomb is a OS optimized for tablets, so I think that we will see more honeycomb updates
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No, they said it would be merging of the Tablet and Phone - so it should be any sized screen (although that probably just ranges from phone (can't think of lowest size, but lets say for the sake of argument 3" -> tablet 10.1"
jm9843 said:
Ice Cream Sandwich will be the latest version of Android upon release and will apply to everything (phone, tablet, tv). They are not going to continue Honeycomb as some kind of separate "large screen tablet" branch after ics as you seem to be implying.
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I concur - that's how I read it all too
Also I imagine there may be a couple of bugfixes along the way but nothing major till ICS (4.0?)
so maybe 3.1.1, 3.1.2, probably not a 3.2 - only if there's a new feature they want to push out that is fairly big...
However - if google are responsible for the SD Card slot - then 3.2 may address that issue - else it'd probably just be a 3.1.1 update judging on how they have done updating numbering on the past...

I think Google had Moto add SD to be ready for Ice cream. Its my idea that that was the plan maybe im crazy but who knows

Hope Android 3.2 isn't far off.

Looks like the Xoom and some new 7 inch tablets could be getting 3.2 in the coming weeks.
http://www.phonedog.com/2011/06/20/...t-for-several-screen-sizes-and-qualcomm-cpus/
* Ability to run on a "range" of display sizes
* Support for Qualcomm processors
* Bug fixes
* Better hardware acceleration
* Updates for Movie Studio, Movies, Music, and widgets
Hope the work Samsung is doing with TouchWiz UX doesn't delay us getting this 3.2 update. I could sure go for a nice big cup of "bug fixes" right about now. And some of that "better hardware acceleration" would taste good too.

i'd stick with vanilla for now, as honeycomb def still needs polishing. hardware acceleration is important, and i hope they improve text selection, copy and paste, and overall text typing, as i find those to be the most frustrating right now.

I bet you we'll either get it late or Samsung will throw touchwiz over top it. If they do i hope one of the devs can get all of that ugly UI junk off of it.

Or maybe 3.2 is the reason why Samsung didn't ship the tab with TouchWiz....

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Or maybe 3.2 is the reason why Samsung didn't ship the tab with TouchWiz....
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yeah so they can say to us: "You want 3.2? Well you'll have to update your Tab to TouchWiz"

th0r615 said:
yeah so they can say to us: "You want 3.2? Well you'll have to update your Tab to TouchWiz"
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You may be right, but they never promised you a stock android device either.
I'm taking the wait and see approach rather than seemingly everybody else's negative approach.

Google already said they are not releasing the source code of 3.x so what I am waiting on is 4.0 so that the CM team can bake up a nice rom. But until then I am really happy with how well mine is working. There has been some lag but only when like 10 apps are running.

Apparently in the middle east (launch mid july)- the tab will be launched with touch wiz instead of vanilla honeycomb - i'll still be picking it up - with hopes of flashing north american firmware on it to get vanilla honeycomb - also I was told touch wiz is almost final - should be coming for you folks by mid july and it(final version) is quite smooth.
I used a test version ( very laggy) and one other what appeared to be a rc version - (much smoother but not vanilla smooth)
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I just hope this tablet gets Ice Cream Sandwich.

samsung is notorious for their lack of updates
To beperfectly honest I bought the tab under the impression that it will be on 3.1 as long as I keep it lol

I wouldn't write them off, yet. Look what they've been doing on Twitter and how they're treating the outside development of their devices.

I mean, at I/O Samsung was one of the partners saying that they would update products up to 18 months from their release, so it would be a violation of a contract with Google if they don't update.
When I talked to a Samsung rep, they told me I didn't have to download TouchWiz if I didn't want it.....but I wouldn't get said bug fixes, Google updates without having TouchWiz.

Transformer and Ice Cream Sandwich

Someone knows if Asus have plans to upgrade the Transformer with the upcoming version of Android?

Skyrim said:
Someone knows if Asus have plans to upgrade the Transformer with the upcoming version of Android?
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They better do that, atthe moment Transformer is not a whole ecosystem, and the fact that honeycomb will ceasse to exist, indicate any future update, which was officially promised to extend to an 18 month period by google, will make me deduce that Ice Cream is indeed in the future of my beloved device

I don't understand Honeycomb, there was and is much talk that Honeycomb needs more time to mature and have more apps to rival IOS but it seems they switched gears to ICS. It looks like Honeycomb is an aborted baby or some band aid solution until they release ICS in the fall, that would be less than a year for HC.
The app developers have no real incentive to push out apps when a new OS is around the corner and with the new OS it would be even more time for teething issues. I think Android tablets users are getting the short end of the stick.

Honeycomb and ICS are not different OS's. ICS is simply an update to Honeycomb, like how 3.1 was an update from 3.0. It will be the update from 3.2 to 4.0. It is the same thing as how phones got updated from 2.1 to 2.2 to 2.3. Next up for phones is the jump from 2.3 to 4.0, because ICS is the unification of the tablet and phone sides of Android.
If a dev is waiting on ICS to build an app, then they are both wasting time and potential revenue from selling the app, because the app will work perfectly fine on ICS. Google does everything they can to ensure that apps can scale and evolve both through various devices, and OS versions.
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ICS is just an update to Honeycomb.
Edit: Also, Google has stated that ICS will be open sourced, and since we have root on our devices, I would say with absolute certainty that we will be able to have ICS roms. I wouldn't worry too much if there is an official update or not because of that. You'll get your Ice Cream and YOU WILL LIKE IT!!

You are true AstroTrain. Honeycomb was hacked together from the phone versions to quickly rush out a tablet pltform. Ice Cream would be a true tablet OS along with a phone OS.

The transformer is a very hackable device. If there isnt an official release there will be a dev release. All of the iconias are locked and some of the 10.1s are locked, which is why the transformer is the best honeycomb tablet on the market rightmost.
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Android 5.0 Jelly Bean tipped for Q2 2012 - SlashGear

Here is news worthy information that came across my inbox.
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Android 5.0 Jelly Bean may arrive as early as Q2 2012, supply chain sources claim, with Google apparently integrating Chrome OS functionality for dual-boot tablets and netbooks. Those aren’t the search giant’s only dual-OS ambitions, however; insiders tell DigiTimes that Google is pushing Android 5.0 and Windows 8 hybrids to its manufacturing partners, for notebooks, netbooks and tablets that offer the best of both platforms.
Although Google is yet to comment significantly on whether Ice Cream Sandwich has met its expectations in the market, it’s clear that Android 4.0 is yet to gain a significant foothold. According to Google’s own stats, as of February 1 2012 only 1-percent of devices were running ICS, with the majority still on Android 2.3.x Gingerbread.
The dual-booting Android 5.0 Jelly Bean and Windows 8 machines will be able to hot-swap between the two platforms, the sources indicate, rather than demanding a reboot each time. That would give users the opportunity to use Android for its web-centric functionality and speed, while switching to Windows would offer the various legacy and business apps many users still demand. Update: It’s worth remembering that Microsoft’s Windows 8 hardware requirements apparently block second OS installation on ARM-based PCs by users, thanks to a locked Secure Boot system, though it’s unclear whether OEMs are permitted to do so before the hardware leaves the factory. [Thanks Richard!]
Google is supposedly seeing Android 5.0 as a second chance at the notebook and netbook markets, Chrome OS failing to grab attention as expected, though the tipsters warn that the response to Ice Cream Sandwich has left some partners “conservative” about the new platform.
Part of Google’s challenge is encouraging timely OS updates among vendors. Motorola revealed its timescale for upgrading US Android devices yesterday, with most not expected to see Ice Cream Sandwich until Q3 2012 or later.

Dual booting Android and Windows 8 from the factory? I doubt it. Would be pretty cool, though. Save us a lot on the hacking side of things

Very true. Yeah Google needs to figure out that they're being crippled by stupid manufacturers who refuse to release timely updates for their devices... This is foolish that ics has been out since... November? And 4 months later, only a few high end devices have ics on them? How the heck is ics supposed to make an impact on anyone if 4 months into the update very few phones have it? They need to have it completed before announcing it and give it to the manufacturers to start working with and get their phones running on it before making the announcement and official release otherwise it becomes old news before it's even on a good portion of high end devices. Foolish.
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lorddart said:
Very true. Yeah Google needs to figure out that they're being crippled by stupid manufacturers who refuse to release timely updates for their devices... This is foolish that ics has been out since... November? And 4 months later, only a few high end devices have ics on them? How the heck is ics supposed to make an impact on anyone if 4 months into the update very few phones have it? They need to have it completed before announcing it and give it to the manufacturers to start working with and get their phones running on it before making the announcement and official release otherwise it becomes old news before it's even on a good portion of high end devices. Foolish.
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I completely agree with you, but it seems like 5.0 will be for notebooks and netbooks, like honeycomb was for tablets.
i'll stick to even numbered releases (2.x, 4.x, etc.)

yea, it would really help if manufacturers would quit spending 6 months modding the OS before even possibly releasing it to their devices. But the problem is that they make their money by selling the latest greatest hardware which is more difficult if you can get the latest greatest version of the OS on older hardware. I'm running a Vibrant that now has ICS on it thanks to all the independent devs out there that in my mind are the reason android has done as well as it has. If google REALLY wants their newer version to be adopted, they would put clauses in their contracts that limits the amount of customization a manufacturer can do and requires them to justify delays past a certain period of time between G's release of a version and the manufacturer's release of it to all devices that meet requirements that would accompany each release from G.
But none of this is going to happen LOL.
One of the things that really burns me on this topic is that of all the mods that the manufacturers put on that I've used... none of them actually enhance the experience much if at all.

Does Android 5.0 support push service and limit the background applications? That will be smooth, faster and save battery. Just need a service to call app when they have an update.
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steafand said:
Does Android 5.0 support push service and limit the background applications? That will be smooth, faster and save battery. Just need a service to call app when they have an update.
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lol there is hardly any info as it is, you would have to wait a little longer for more specific details to be released.

steafand said:
Does Android 5.0 support push service and limit the background applications? That will be smooth, faster and save battery. Just need a service to call app when they have an update.
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Yea, you have to remember that this has been TIPPED, so what little details we have now aren't even going to be very reliable.

Interesting read. Unsure of accuracy

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Android 5.0 Jelly Bean may arrive as early as Q2 2012, supply chain sources claim, with Google apparently integrating Chrome OS functionality for dual-boot tablets and netbooks. Those aren’t the search giant’s only dual-OS ambitions, however; insiders tell DigiTimes that Google is pushing Android 5.0 and Windows 8 hybrids to its manufacturing partners, for notebooks, netbooks and tablets that offer the best of both platforms.
Although Google is yet to comment significantly on whether Ice Cream Sandwich has met its expectations in the market, it’s clear that Android 4.0 is yet to gain a significant foothold. According to Google’s own stats, as of February 1 2012 only 1-percent of devices were running ICS, with the majority still on Android 2.3.x Gingerbread.
The dual-booting Android 5.0 Jelly Bean and Windows 8 machines will be able to hot-swap between the two platforms, the sources indicate, rather than demanding a reboot each time. That would give users the opportunity to use Android for its web-centric functionality and speed, while switching to Windows would offer the various legacy and business apps many users still demand. Update: It’s worth remembering that Microsoft’s Windows 8 hardware requirements apparently block second OS installation on ARM-based PCs by users, thanks to a locked Secure Boot system, though it’s unclear whether OEMs are permitted to do so before the hardware leaves the factory. [Thanks Richard!]
Google is supposedly seeing Android 5.0 as a second chance at the notebook and netbook markets, Chrome OS failing to grab attention as expected, though the tipsters warn that the response to Ice Cream Sandwich has left some partners “conservative” about the new platform.
Part of Google’s challenge is encouraging timely OS updates among vendors. Motorola revealed its timescale for upgrading US Android devices yesterday, with most not expected to see Ice Cream Sandwich until Q3 2012 or later
Credit to MMosley from CIH for passing this on
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I read the same thing a couple of times and i think androidcentral said it best. It will probably be announced and google I/O but not launch and until then its all rumors

I get all my info about google's android version's from wikipedia
It looks like 5.0 will be mainly for tablets PC's and also dual cores. So I don't think the shift would benifit from it much at all.

bu-bu-but Ice Cream Sandwich! I want it on my shift! It's the best OS evar!!!

VICODAN said:
bu-bu-but Ice Cream Sandwich! I want it on my shift! It's the best OS evar!!!
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And you shall have it. Jelly bean is pretty much honeycomb all over again but better... Hopefully and thats if all these rumors are true

YoungCorruptionV2.0 said:
And you shall have it. Jelly bean is pretty much honeycomb all over again but better... Hopefully and thats if all these rumors are true
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Yeah, comparing ICS vs HC or GB vs HC is like comparing apples to oranges for the shift. Right now GB is a lot better vs ICS until all the bugs get worked out and has funtioning 4G wimax.

sparksco said:
Yeah, comparing ICS vs HC or GB vs HC is like comparing apples to oranges for the shift. Right now GB is a lot better vs ICS until all the bugs get worked out and has funtioning 4G wimax.
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I meant he shall have ics. If jelly bean is for tablets and honeycomb is for tablets then it may not be open source. It that is true it doesn't bother me seeing as i won't be getting a tablet for a good year or two whenever i see it actually having worth for me. I returned my HTC flyer cause i really didn't need it and bought a fourth 22 inch tv and the sony google tv lol

YoungCorruptionV2.0 said:
I meant he shall have ics. If jelly bean is for tablets and honeycomb is for tablets then it may not be open source. It that is true it doesn't bother me seeing as i won't be getting a tablet for a good year or two whenever i see it actually having worth for me. I returned my HTC flyer cause i really didn't need it and bought a fourth 22 inch tv and the sony google tv lol
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I meant I could careless about ICS.

VICODAN said:
I meant I could careless about ICS.
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Oh haha I read wrong then
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thronnos said:
The dual-booting Android 5.0 Jelly Bean and Windows 8 machines will be able to hot-swap between the two platforms, the sources indicate, rather than demanding a reboot each time.
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Update: It’s worth remembering that Microsoft’s Windows 8 hardware requirements apparently block second OS installation on ARM-based PCs by users, thanks to a locked Secure Boot system, though it’s unclear whether OEMs are permitted to do so before the hardware leaves the factory. [Thanks Richard!]
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Although UEFI has the capability to load a second OS without a hardware reset, every thing I have read to date indicates that Microsoft will require manufacturers to ship their product with a locked bootloader to earn Windows certification.
As Windows 8 (a total redesign just for tablets) will be competing directly with Android, I think initially dual-boot won't be an official option until Microsoft has either made a substantial amount of money (off of Windows 8 licenses) or has secured a large enough market share.
It is worth noting, however, that the locked bootloader requirement may only apply to ARM-based devices; x86 hardware may be exempt. Intel and AMD are making huge strides in their mobile CPU departments, and as Android and Windows 8 can both run on x86, we will be seeing a decent amount of Atom/Z-01 powered tablets soon.