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This might help some to decide. I am one of them. I am definitely moving to Sprint for the low cost plus the 4G service. This will also be my first smart phone. My options are limited to EVO and EPIC and I am sure there are many out there l...ike me. I just created a list for myself. Have not decided anything yet though. ...This again is based on my observation of both these phones.
UI: EVO
Camera Picture Quality: EVO
Widgets: EVO
Screen Size: EVO
Front Cam: EVO
HDMI: EVO
Kick Stand: EVO
Size: EVO
FM: EVO
HotSpot: EVO
Price: EVO
OS: EVO (2.2)
Display: EPIC
Video Capture: EPIC (EVO may be better with 2.2 update)
HW Keyboard: EPIC
Games: EPIC
Processor::
For Day to Day Use: EVO (Arguable-Hummingbird is fast but for day to day it is hardly noticeable. Sense UI adds more to this than the processor)
For Games: EPIC
DLNA::
EPIC: Inbuilt
EVO: 3rd Party - iMediaShare (google it)
HDMI::
EVO: InBuilt
EPIC: miniUSB to HDMI cable (not confirmed yet)
Battery Life: Not sure (may be EPIC)
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Processor::
For Day to Day Use: EVO (Arguable-Hummingbird is fast but for day to day it is hardly noticeable. Sense UI adds more to this than the processor)
For Games: EPIC
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EVO? For day to day use? How do you figure? Show me anything that performs better on the EVO than the Epic. And don't you dare show me benchmarks.
Home screens - Epic (2.1) faster than EVO (2.2)
Browser - faster on the Epic (panning and zooming)
Games - faster on the Epic
From what I've seen of the browser on the Epic, it's faster than my EVO with CM6.
Both phones have a front cam.... I wouldn't really say the EVO's is better than the Epic's. I think they're exactly the same.
The rest is really a matter of preference though. I'll be getting the Epic.
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EVO? For day to day use? How do you figure? Show me anything that performs better on the EVO than the Epic. And don't you dare show me benchmarks.
Home screens - Epic (2.1) faster than EVO (2.2)
Browser - faster on the Epic (panning and zooming)
Games - faster on the Epic
From what I've seen of the browser on the Epic, it's faster than my EVO with CM6.
Both phones have a front cam.... I wouldn't really say the EVO's is better than the Epic's. I think they're exactly the same.
The rest is really a matter of preference though. I'll be getting the Epic.
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If by exactly the same you mean one is VGA (640x480) and the other is SXGA (1280x1024) then yes they are exactly the same.
Regarding the processor, I never notice any lag on my EVO, I think that is what he means. Also something I note, that is a personal preference, I like HTC devices better than Samsung.
There are a few mistakes here so let me correct them
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This might help some to decide. I am one of them. I am definitely moving to Sprint for the low cost plus the 4G service. This will also be my first smart phone. My options are limited to EVO and EPIC and I am sure there are many out there l...ike me. I just created a list for myself. Have not decided anything yet though. ...This again is based on my observation of both these phones.
UI: EVO If you are used to Sense UI but those not used to it may not feel that way
Camera Picture Quality: EVO ahm..thats flat wrong..the 5mp on the Epic is A LOT better then the 8mp on the EVO...
Widgets: EVO Most widgets belong neither to senseui nor touchwiz but standard android..and these work on both
Screen Size: EVO This is again preference..for some people 4.3 is too big..but then again for some 4 is too big
Front Cam: EVO This makes no difference..if your video calling to another cell phone you would see 0 difference between VGA and 1.3mp
HDMI: EVO There is an HDMI on the Epic via the microusb..and this should go to the Epic just cause it doesn't cause an 30FPS limit
Kick Stand: EVO ok...
Size: EVO Ahm..why mention this twice?
FM: EVO The Epic should have FM but its probably disabled..that said did the EVO FM even work properly?
HotSpot: EVO They both do hotspot
Price: EVO ok...
OS: EVO (2.2) Epic will most likely get Froyo in 30 days
Display: EPIC
Video Capture: EPIC (EVO may be better with 2.2 update)
HW Keyboard: EPIC
Games: EPIC
Processor::
For Day to Day Use: EVO (Arguable-Hummingbird is fast but for day to day it is hardly noticeable. Sense UI adds more to this than the processor) so why are you giving this to the EVO? what does UI have to do with the processor? I hope you aren't serious here...
For Games: EPIC
DLNA::
EPIC: Inbuilt
EVO: 3rd Party - iMediaShare (google it)
HDMI::
EVO: InBuilt
EPIC: miniUSB to HDMI cable (not confirmed yet) its microusb and it is confirmed
Battery Life: Not sure (may be EPIC)
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Now things you are missing is Epic has bluetooth 3.0, hardware video decode with support for divx/xvid, 6 axis g-sensor...you also forgot to mention that Epic would play flash better...
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Now things you are missing is Epic has bluetooth 3.0, hardware video decode with support for divx/xvid, 6 axis g-sensor...you also forgot to mention that Epic would play flash better...
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He didnt Forget anything. He's knows damn well how much better the Epic is over Evo. He's just being a fanboy coz he's stuck with what he has and trying to convince himself that what he has is ''better''. My brother did that when he was stuck with his nexus. Cant you ppl be happy that they are both on sprint...
I am not a fanboy. As I said in my post above, this will be my first smartphone. I appreciate the arguments made. It will help me choose the better device. I have already reserved my EPIC. It is just that I am still in doubt which I would prefer. Thanks again for the replies.
Btw the 5 megaoixel camera in the epic takes way better pictures and records better video than the 8 megapixel camera. Also the hummingbird processor uses less battery thatn the snapdragon processor so day to day use, epic wins
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Having messed with both (but owning an Evo) I'll stick with my current phone. The screen is gorgeous, and the camera is actually better than the Evo's. On the other hand, the screen is less responsive than the Evo's, especially the capacitive buttons at the bottom, and the build quality is just...lacking. It feels plastic-y, whereas the Evo has a slightly heavier and sturdier feel to it. Also, from a personal aesthetics stand point, Sense is infinitely more attractive than TouchWiz, and more useful to boot, though that's more opinion than anything.
Either way you'll be getting a good phone, but as for me, I'll stick with my Evo
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Having messed with both (but owning an Evo) I'll stick with my current phone. The screen is gorgeous, and the camera is actually better than the Evo's. On the other hand, the screen is less responsive than the Evo's, especially the capacitive buttons at the bottom, and the build quality is just...lacking. It feels plastic-y, whereas the Evo has a slightly heavier and sturdier feel to it. Also, from a personal aesthetics stand point, Sense is infinitely more attractive than TouchWiz, and more useful to boot, though that's more opinion than anything.
Either way you'll be getting a good phone, but as for me, I'll stick with my Evo
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Ahm...that shouldn't be..the touch sensor in the screen is the same on the EVO and the EPIC..so if you actually tried both and there was a responsiveness issue then it must be a software thing...though this is the first time I'm hearing about the buttons..the reviews said that the buttons were much better then on the vibrant and captivate and responded instantly...
And lastly build quality is better on the Epic then the EVO 100%..if you take the EVO apart there are a lot of empty space and extra plastic for no reason..take apart a galaxy S phone and nothing is wasted inside...I read in another forum its so good that they dropped their phone in a puddle of water for an hour and no water got through to the device so it turned on fine (don't try it at home though)..it feels "plastic-y" because they made it like that on purpose so that its very light..which it is..either way once you put a case on it, that will change either way..
I have an evo.
You absolutely have to root and install a custom rom if you want high performance. In fact the Epic blows the stock evo's benchmarks out of the water. Once the Epic gets froyo it won't even be close.
Evo camera is a joke.
FPS cap anyone? I'm so tired of ****ing with evo switch and trying to find the optimal performance.
Different hardware? Some evo's can see 2 multi touch points, some 5, some 3... HTC threw together whatever hand me down hardware they had left in stock. Different screens, different sensors etc..
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EVO? For day to day use? How do you figure? Show me anything that performs better on the EVO than the Epic. And don't you dare show me benchmarks.
Home screens - Epic (2.1) faster than EVO (2.2)
Browser - faster on the Epic (panning and zooming)
Games - faster on the Epic
From what I've seen of the browser on the Epic, it's faster than my EVO with CM6.
Both phones have a front cam.... I wouldn't really say the EVO's is better than the Epic's. I think they're exactly the same.
The rest is really a matter of preference though. I'll be getting the Epic.
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I will take you up on that. Have stovk captivate and evo right here. Evo with better benchmarks and performs better in day to day use. will post video in a few.
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I will take you up on that. Have stovk captivate and evo right here. Evo with better benchmarks and performs better in day to day use. will post video in a few.
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Everyone knows the captivate has those hiccups here and there..but from what reviewers said those have been fixed...even those that hated Touchwiz UI after trying it on the Epic said its like a completely different..they didnt believe it so much they double checked their captivates to make sure they aren't going senile...either way when people walk into a Sprint store on the 31st both should be there side by side to test on...
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I will take you up on that. Have stovk captivate and evo right here. Evo with better benchmarks and performs better in day to day use. will post video in a few.
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I'm sorry. I believe I said the Epic, not the captivate. And I also said I don't care about benchmarks. I want to see a video showing the EVO browser performing better than the Epic's. Or Sense being smoother than TW. Or Launcher Pro faster on the EVO than the EPIC. Or ANY game running better on the EVO.
If you can't show me any of those, I don't care.
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I'm sorry. I believe I said the Epic, not the captivate. And I also said I don't care about benchmarks. I want to see a video showing the EVO browser performing better than the Epic's. Or Sense being smoother than TW. Or Launcher Pro faster on the EVO than the EPIC. Or ANY game running better on the EVO.
If you can't show me any of those, I don't care.
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I said I would post both benchmarks and videos of apps/browser but the captivate wins 0. You know epic/captivate have same cpu, gpu and file system and the benchmark the same right? Yes touch wiz may be faster due to 2.5 version but I bet they load apps around the same time since there benchmarks are the same. If the file system was working right it would have a higher score then the droid x for sure since the cpu & gpu are faster. We have no proof yet the epics faster in day to day use then any other galaxy s phone. I know you dont like benchmarks but they show correct results when testing speed opening apps vs benchmark score.
stock captiavte
1.2 ghz Captivate with lag fix(captiavte on top with no i\o test on the left)
Evo vs stock captivate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
Evo vs 1.2 ghz Captivate with I9000 rom and fastest ext 2 internal partition lag fix(should be faster then any stock sgs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji49qFNxC4c
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I said I would post both benchmarks and videos of apps/browser but the captivate wins 0. You know epic/captivate have same cpu, gpu and file system and the benchmark the same right? Yes touch wiz may be faster due to 2.5 version but I bet they load apps around the same time since there benchmarks are the same. If the file system was working right it would have a higher score then the droid x for sure since the cpu & gpu are faster. We have no proof yet the epics faster in day to day use then any other galaxy s phone. I know you dont like benchmarks but they show correct results when testing speed opening apps vs benchmark score.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
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On the benchmark the EVO is running Android 2.2 right? and the captivate is running 2.1 and not running lag fix?
And as for the video..the speed of the launching of apps was pretty much the same on the captivate and evo :/
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I said I would post both benchmarks and videos of apps/browser but the captivate wins 0. You know epic/captivate have same cpu, gpu and file system and the benchmark the same right? Yes touch wiz may be faster due to 2.5 version but I bet they load apps around the same time since there benchmarks are the same. If the file system was working right it would have a higher score then the droid x for sure since the cpu & gpu are faster. We have no proof yet the epics faster in day to day use then any other galaxy s phone. I know you dont like benchmarks but they show correct results when testing speed opening apps vs benchmark score.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsAUR61ByM
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Just because it doesn't beat the droid on quadrant doesn't mean that's there's something wrong with the file system. The cpu and gpu part of the benchmark beat the droids x and the io part beats the evo and nexus one on 2.1. So basically youre saying that there's something wrong with every phone because none of them beat the droid x on the io benchmark. The io part of the quadrant benchmark is severely flawed
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Just because it doesn't beat the droid on quadrant doesn't mean that's there's something wrong with the file system. The cpu and gpu part of the benchmark beat the droids x and the io part beats the evo and nexus one on 2.1. So basically youre saying that there's something wrong with every phone because none of them beat the droid x on the io benchmark. The io part of the quadrant benchmark is severely flawed
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Droid x benchmarks and performs faster. Why would the sgs be slower with faster cpu & gpu? Any sgs should kill the droid in benchmarks and day to day use.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIQJ-3a96oM
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On the benchmark the EVO is running Android 2.2 right? and the captivate is running 2.1 and not running lag fix?
And as for the video..the speed of the launching of apps was pretty much the same on the captivate and evo :/
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I was thinking of retesting with lag fix but the captivate will be running faster then the epic so it really wouldn't be a fair test. Since it benchmarks the same as the captivate stock rom I thought that would be a good test. The epic may be a little faster stock then the captivate but it cant be that much more since they benchmark the same. I can see a big difference in launching apps. Look at the browser test. The captivate is loading mobile version secs behind the evo running full version with flash. The camera, market & gallery is secs behind as well.
shep211 said:
Droid x benchmarks and performs faster. Why would the sgs be slower with faster cpu & gpu? Any sgs should kill the droid in benchmarks and day to day use.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIQJ-3a96oM
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The droid x benchmarks faster only on the io test. It actual benchmarks fairly poorly in the 3d test. The epic benchmarks faster in the io part than any other phone besides the droid x. Quadrant is flawed. Even cyanogen proved it
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I was thinking of retesting with lag fix but the captivate will be running faster then the epic so it really wouldn't be a fair test. Since it benchmarks the same as the captivate stock rom I thought that would be a good test. The epic may be a little faster stock then the captivate but it cant be that much more since they benchmark the same. I can see a big difference in launching apps. Look at the browser test. The captivate is loading mobile version secs behind the evo running full version with flash. The camera, market & gallery is secs behind as well.
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It's been stated that the Epic does not have the lag problem. The delay you're seeing in apps loading (and closing from what I could see in the video) were not seen in the Epic videos. Everything loaded instantly. The captivate without the lag fix is obviously using the flawed file system that slows things down. A lot.
Again, you're using benchmarks to show every day use when people don't use benchmarks every day. We also don't have the Epic to show next to an EVO, so that video doesn't belong in this thread. They've had more time to tweak\fix the Epic and that has shown in its videos. Hopefully this is the last time we'll see a captivate\vibrant video in these forums.
What were your reasons for switching to the shift? I can deal with no hard keyboard and crap battery life, but was there a noticable difference in processor speed?
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The processor while only 800MHz vastly outperforms the 1GHz in the EVO. Also, since the CPU in the Shift is a 45nm processor it gets much, much battery life sitting on a stock configuration. Once we have perma-root and NAND unlock on this thing you'll be able to overclock it massively without much loss in the way of battery life. The GPU is also much better than the EVO's. This phone flies compared to the EVO at stock and even on CM or Myn's Warm 2.2.
I came from an EVO and haven't regretted it at all.
My things are that I am not a huge fan of the smaller screen...taller but not much wider than my hero...and I am a romaholic will it be ready to port evo roms or g2 roms to the shift?
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the5ifty said:
My things are that I am not a huge fan of the smaller screen...taller but not much wider than my hero...and I am a romaholic will it be ready to port evo roms or g2 roms to the shift?
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Until we get a perm root with nand unlock, the only thing folks can give you is speculation. Until said time, the answer would be "NO".
I know nothing can be done until perm root. Just wondering if there are enough similarities.
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The biggest most notable issue for me was the drastic change in screen size, its not a issue for me now though, as I consider the battery life to be an excellent compromise in place of the larger display. And I do notice a difference with the cpu when I'm playing dungeon defenders, gameboid, or need for speed shift. This phone also handles gt racing hd much more fluidly than my evo ever has. I do prefer reading books on the evo in a pinch/ whenever my kindle isn't within reach.
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I'm sorry i could not get past the drastic downgrade in screen size. Once you have had an evo.. a real evo, you cannot downgrade for a phone that has the potential to have a better battery duration, cpu, and gpu. You must understand that one of the leading factors as to why the evo's battery depletes so fast is because of the larger and might i add more beautiful screen. Until, they come out with a real evo shift with the same size (at least 4") screen with better battery life i will never switch to a lesser version of my phone.
note: I had a "evo" shift pre-ordered until i saw what it really was; a false association with the original evo in order to generate more revenue.
well thanks for not shifting lol
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I'm sorry i could not get past the drastic downgrade in screen size. Once you have had an evo.. a real evo, you cannot downgrade for a phone that has the potential to have a better battery duration, cpu, and gpu. You must understand that one of the leading factors as to why the evo's battery depletes so fast is because of the larger and might i add more beautiful screen. Until, they come out with a real evo shift with the same size (at least 4") screen with better battery life i will never switch to a lesser version of my phone.
note: I had a "evo" shift pre-ordered until i saw what it really was; a false association with the original evo in order to generate more revenue.
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Lol @ the Evo guru elitist
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webguru4life said:
I'm sorry i could not get past the drastic downgrade in screen size. Once you have had an evo.. a real evo, you cannot downgrade for a phone that has the potential to have a better battery duration, cpu, and gpu. You must understand that one of the leading factors as to why the evo's battery depletes so fast is because of the larger and might i add more beautiful screen. Until, they come out with a real evo shift with the same size (at least 4") screen with better battery life i will never switch to a lesser version of my phone.
note: I had a "evo" shift pre-ordered until i saw what it really was; a false association with the original evo in order to generate more revenue.
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You do realize that sprint is making the "Evo" brand a line of 4G devices rather than just one, soon to be outdated model right?
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You do realize that sprint is making the "Evo" brand a line of 4G devices rather than just one, soon to be outdated model right?
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LOL he's a guru, of course he knows that, and he also knows that the Evo is superior to the Shift in performance...oh wait...
After removing a lot of the crapware in the phone and keeping stock apps that I will use, the shift is even more responsive than out of the box. I'm only keeping or installing apps that don't slow down the phone and ones I use everyday. I try to keep it lean and quick. I had my doubts in the beginning until I figured out some of my essential apps were slowing things down. I found smaller and quicker alternatives.
It is amazing how much quicker things run when I switched to adw ex, fast preset, turn off eye candy, use gingerbread theme and smaller filesize keyboards. Gingerkeyboard, Dr.ben0x keyboard, HTC ime mod with custom theme, battery notif all help with keeping my phone "speedy". Pun intended
I have an EVO, but my girlfriend will be purchasing an EVO in a week.
Anything I should pay special attention to?
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I have an EVO, but my girlfriend will be purchasing an EVO in a week.
Anything I should pay special attention to?
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you mean the shift?
so I think I am back to getting an evo with my upgrade on the first and hopefully there will be permanent root for the shift before my 30 days is up so I can just trade them...i need root and roms
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LOL he's a guru, of course he knows that, and he also knows that the Evo is superior to the Shift in performance...oh wait...
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Lol I guess he didn't get that memo regarding the processor's performance...
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Lol I guess he didn't get that memo regarding the processor's performance...
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while webguru does come off sounding like a bonehead with all his "Real EVO" talk, I do own both phones and I'd say the performance of the Shift at 800mhz to be very similar to the EVO at 1ghz. This was comparing things like load up time and performance of web browsing, gaming (from emulators all the way up to extremely graphic intensive games (N.O.V.A., Asphalt5, etc.)) and video playback, as well as plain old UI fluidity. And to be perfectly honest there is no noticeable difference stock vs stock. We'll have to wait until root is achieved so we can see the true potential of the Shift but as it stands right now with stock configurations, you can't give much of an edge to the shift processor wise. You can post all the quadrant and smartbench scores you want but real world, both devices side by side simultaneously running the same programs, they run essentially identical. So pick your poison: Do you want a bigger screen...or a hardware keyboard. Both phones kick ass!
As likely as it is that the shift will gain root/overclocking, as it stands, Cyanogen on the EVO currently blows away the stock shift in my experience.
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while webguru does come off sounding like a bonehead with all his "Real EVO" talk, I do own both phones and I'd say the performance of the Shift at 800mhz to be very similar to the EVO at 1ghz. This was comparing things like load up time and performance of web browsing, gaming (from emulators all the way up to extremely graphic intensive games (N.O.V.A., Asphalt5, etc.)) and video playback, as well as plain old UI fluidity. And to be perfectly honest there is no noticeable difference stock vs stock. We'll have to wait until root is achieved so we can see the true potential of the Shift but as it stands right now with stock configurations, you can't give much of an edge to the shift processor wise. You can post all the quadrant and smartbench scores you want but real world, both devices side by side simultaneously running the same programs, they run essentially identical. So pick your poison: Do you want a bigger screen...or a hardware keyboard. Both phones kick ass!
As likely as it is that the shift will gain root/overclocking, as it stands, Cyanogen on the EVO currently blows away the stock shift in my experience.
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Try playing Dungeon Defenders, that game plays just awful on my Evo, wether I'm running RLS5, CM6.1, or MiUi, or any multitude of the available kernels that include HAVS,BFS, ect.It stutters hangs up sometimes while trying to navigate the menu, and you don't have to have a lot of enemies on the screen simultaneously for framerate to drop signifigantly to the point of being unplayable. On the Shift Dungeon Defenders is actually playable.
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I upgraded from my EVO, reason is I hate Touch keyboards, and Evo was a bit big in my pocket. CPU and GPU alot better on the Shift, battery life seems great even on stock rom. I switched back to using my EVO until a perm root and nand unlock is achieved and better roms are released. Phone is the perfect size to pocket carry and have a physical keyboard. Can't wait to overclock this sucker, Quadrant over 1500 running stock, gotta love that!
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Try playing Dungeon Defenders, that game plays just awful on my Evo, wether I'm running RLS5, CM6.1, or MiUi, or any multitude of the available kernels that include HAVS,BFS, ect.It stutters hangs up sometimes while trying to navigate the menu, and you don't have to have a lot of enemies on the screen simultaneously for framerate to drop signifigantly to the point of being unplayable. On the Shift Dungeon Defenders is actually playable.
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Thanks I'll give it a shot, I've been tempted to try out DD. I certainly wasn't trying to say the EVO and Shift are identical performance wise in all situations or will be in the future, I tried to use the words "as it stands" and "essentially" because I was just sharing my overall experience as of right now which is that for 99% of applications available (except Dungeon Defenders apparently lol) as well as core OS apps, the performance of the EVO is extremely similar to that of the Shift. It'll be interesting to see how well the shift holds up in the future as games become more and more complex, hopefully they dont all start requiring Tegra2 too soon but as far as non-600MB (!!! as I just discovered now when trying to download DD, holy crap!) tegra2-tailored games and applications, the EVO can pretty much go blow for blow.
I'm thinking of trading my evo for the shift any advice or thoughts from someone that has the shift
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Only had the shift for a few days but can already say that I love this phone a lot better than my evo. I don't even miss the bigger screen because the speed of this device is rediculous and smooth like the original evo should have been with its 1ghz processor. Also to mention this phone already has a very stable 1.51ghz overclock kernel. This thing is a beast and this is coming from a guy who had the evo for almost a year.
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Is the res the same as the evo or better? One of the reasons I want to trade is because I'm ready for a smaller phone. I'm glad to hear that it is smoother than the evo because that was one of the things that would have held me back because I thought it wasn't going to be as fast as the evo
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I highly recommend the EVO shift This is my first Android phone and It's the best phone I've ever had.not to mention the speed of this thing. I recently overclocked this to 1.5 and I was running it at 1.2ghz and I ran a quadrant test alongside my brothers EVO and it got twice what the EVO got. And the screen is really nice looking. Not to sure on the numbers tho. And also the keyboard is really easy to type on once u get use to it. So I say u should definitly switch to the shift.
And also the battery on it is great . I can easily make it through A full day with atleast 30 percent left with the overclock
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They actually have the same screen resolution, but text should look a little sharper on the shift since it is on a smaller screen.
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Is the res the same as the evo or better? One of the reasons I want to trade is because I'm ready for a smaller phone. I'm glad to hear that it is smoother than the evo because that was one of the things that would have held me back because I thought it wasn't going to be as fast as the evo
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Yes the res is the same as the EVO but looks better because screen size.
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after having a moment this thing flat ass rocks!
To me it's all about personal preference. i couldn't go with the EVO cuz it was just too big and no keyboard. The Shift is a ridiculously fast phone. if you don't mind a lil bit smaller screen with a slideout keyboard then i suggest then Shift. If you need a bigger screen and don't really need a keyboard. stick with the EVO. but i think the shift will be around alot longer to come
I had a Evo, got bored with it so I bought the Shift and its awesome.
powered by the tears of a million orphaned alpacas...
The shift eats the evo
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the largest difference affecting actual usage is the lack of a front facing camera. If that's no big deal to you, then the only difference is a smaller screen, hard keyboard, and flat out KICKASS performance.
Came from a moment, love the **** out of my shift.
Oh, and it can actually be stabely overclocked to 1.8 now =D
so if i get the shift wats the risk of making a 500 buck paper weight. ive rooted and custom recoveried two phones an they were pretty simple but the shift seems lyk its wayyy more fine detailed
Its not that hard just follow the guide...it just uses a different type of partition is all...
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The shift is better than the evo due to battery life alone...then you have the keyboard, the better processor, etc. Only thing evo has going for is is the larger screen. But then again, the screen resolutions are the same, so as long as you have good eyes, the shift wins on all accounts.
My friend is going to get the shift because she needs the keyboard. She can't do the touch screen because of her nails. And don't come in here with your bs stories about how fast it is. The best score on quadrant is like 1300 and my evo gets 1090 so we know that phone can't get 2000. But its nice to hear that u guys like it and love the speed of it. But doesn't that phone have a 800 mhz CPU? What do u think they did to it to make to run so nice? I played with it at the store and it did seem very snappy. Do u think the evo runs slower because it takes more to run the larger screen?
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My friend is going to get the shift because she needs the keyboard. She can't do the touch screen because of her nails. And don't come in here with your bs stories about how fast it is. The best score on quadrant is like 1300 and my evo gets 1090 so we know that phone can't get 2000. But its nice to hear that u guys like it and love the speed of it. But doesn't that phone have a 800 mhz CPU? What do u think they did to it to make to run so nice? I played with it at the store and it did seem very snappy. Do u think the evo runs slower because it takes more to run the larger screen?
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The Evo runs slower because it's an older processor. I can't speak for the rest of your post because I can't decipher what you're actually trying to say. Which one's "that phone"?
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The Evo runs slower because it's an older processor. I can't speak for the rest of your post because I can't decipher what you're actually trying to say. Which one's "that phone"?
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Your getting 1300 because you have rooted. That was a noun problem that the quadrants went from 1600 to around 1300 after root. Ruu and run the benchmark again
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I was talking about the evo and evo shift. I have the evo and she is getting the shift.
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The Evo runs slower because it's an older processor. I can't speak for the rest of your post because I can't decipher what you're actually trying to say. Which one's "that phone"?
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I don't understand what your saying. I have a rooted evo and I was taking about the guy that said he doubled his score with the shift. So I was saying bs to that. If you can get 2000 with quadrant with the shift then prove it.
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I don't understand what your saying. I have a rooted evo and I was taking about the guy that said he doubled his score with the shift. So I was saying bs to that. If you can get 2000 with quadrant with the shift then prove it.
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well there you go
My upgrade comes through on March 1st.. I've looked into each of these phones with great detail. This is what I've come up with in a nutshell. And I want everyone's professional opinion as ill be using this phone for a year or two.. thx guys and gals..(is there a girl on xda yet? ;p)
Stock pros of shift: pocket friendly, higher quality exterior, possibly more support on xda, I heart HTC.
Stock pros of epic 4g: better battery life, amoled screen, front facing camera, video card for twice the gaming potential
Both are 99.00 on Amazon with upgrade eligibility (so is the evo, but I don't need a tablet just yet, 4" is quite enough for me) .. I use sprint im not switching its cheap.. I'd rather have a steak then slightly improved cell service. I have wifi at home anyways..
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My wife has a shift and I have an Epic. Her phone is more stable and her camera takes noticeably better pictures. The keyboard is also better on the shift as sometimes the keys skip on the Epic. As far as froyo is concerned it is much more stable on the Shift as well.
When on the shift section of xda I noticed a lot of people got the phone for their wives and not for themselves. They say games don't run as smoothe on the shift such as psx rom.games. and there is no phone on the market that I've layed my hands on that has a prettier screen than the epic. The colors are just plain and simply better. The phone isn't the eye catcher the epic is
I would go personally with the Epic in hopes of sprint and Samsung getting their act together and fixing the numerous bugs that are associated with it. You'll definetely have a love hate relationship with the epic but I believe in the long run you'll be better off with it.
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At this point id say wait for the next round of phones as there'll be dual core options. Also, my gil has the evo and i the epic and they are about the same size overall, not too much difference.
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At this point id say wait for the next round of phones as there'll be dual core options. Also, my gil has the evo and i the epic and they are about the same size overall, not too much difference.
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If you can wait for the next round of phones I would, since they'll probably be out this summer. If you can't, the Epic is a good phone. I'm currently on EB 13 and I did a fresh install and then loaded all of my apps manually. There's still problems with the sport mode in the camera, Time without signal (TWS) being high unless you do the airplane mode toggle, and the camcorder being a little sluggish in low light. These aren't deal breakers for me, because I don't really use the phone for low light recordings or sport mode and I'm fine toggling the airplane mode. However, it would be nice to have this fixed. I haven't experienced any of the other bugs people have claimed, so I'm still very happy with the performance of EB 13, but I'm not holding my breath for a fix. I mainly stay on EB 13 because the battery life for me is drastically better than 2.1 and the performance is no worst than 2.1. The screen is a lot better as well.
Like I said before, I hope they fix the problems, but I wouldn't buy a phone assuming they will......
IMO, it all boils down to this..
If you want a KB, get the Epic, if you don't get the EVO
The EVO shift is simply not a high end phone, no matter how it was marketed.
It is not a matter of speed, but just a lack of to many high end features.
I would really say it boils down to you really wanting to mod it I have an epic and I've been pretty happy with having it rommed to froyo until. Although some of the hardware glitches or software do kinda get annoying. I still think it's pretty descent.
The shift I'm assuming is a descent phone as well and I heard the keyboard is way better then epic, so it really comes down to preference I really think.
Best advice I can say is go to the sprint store and play with both of them for about 30 minutes, like literally 30 minutes.
I own both. Epic has a nicer screen and is faster for games. Shift seems to be better for literally everything else.
But if you like to tweak endlessly, Epic may be more your speed.
Epic by a gazillian times. The screen is simply amazing! And the gpu screams. Along froyo with ext filesystem, it even beats the super dual core tegra Atrix phone. Trust me... Epic is hands down best. I owned a Evo and a shift. Both underperform compared to Epic.
Thanks a lot guys after reading I think I may just wait for next row of phones.. when do you think they'll come out?
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Brah the epic is a MAN PHONE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UB2DtU0UOo
The shift is something I would recommend to my grandma. though i wouldn't recommend a android phone to any tech impaired person( as my grandma is, fuuuu dont even get me started.)
From what it seems, the Shift is a less expensive/toned-down alternative to the Epic and Evo. So you're more or less comparing two differently classed phones.
Also, I love the keyboard on the epic. It's very roomy and comfortable, especially with its five rows. Plus, the Super AMOLED screen is gorgeous and a serious selling point. And regarding support on XDA, the Epic has nearly 10 times more threads and posts in each sub-forum.
I've never actually owned a Shift, but just from the numbers it seems the Epic is a much better deal, especially since they are the same price on Amazon. But waiting for Sprint's next lineup of Android phones seems like a good choice as well.
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Not sure if it makes a difference to you or not, but thete is now a fix fir the cameta issues in eb13. Keepin' the faith that sprint will release a more stable update soon. In the mean time get the epic and trust in the great devs we have here.
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Not sure if it makes a difference to you or not, but thete is now a fix fir the cameta issues in eb13. Keepin' the faith that sprint will release a more stable update soon. In the mean time get the epic and trust in the great devs we have here.
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Lol screw samsung and sprint for updates. Devs for the win.
From My Samsung Epic Using TapaTalk.
Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone..
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From what it seems, the Shift is a less expensive/toned-down alternative to the Epic and Evo. So you're more or less comparing two differently classed phones.
Also, I love the keyboard on the epic. It's very roomy and comfortable, especially with its five rows. Plus, the Super AMOLED screen is gorgeous and a serious selling point. And regarding support on XDA, the Epic has nearly 10 times more threads and posts in each sub-forum.
I've never actually owned a Shift, but just from the numbers it seems the Epic is a much better deal, especially since they are the same price on Amazon. But waiting for Sprint's next lineup of Android phones seems like a good choice as well.
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Heavy
I've had the Epic and the Evo, not the Shift tho. But I've played with the Shift for a while and one thing that surprises me is HOW HEAVY it is! For the weight difference, I'd almost just get the Epic. Regardless... if you want a billion ROM's that's hard to decipher and just really be confused most of the time, get an HTC. Tho, I will say their stock ROM's hand Samy's rear to them. The build quality on all three phones I would say are on par with each other.
The GPS on the Evo is AMAZING! I ALWAYS get a quick lock (within 5-10 seconds of opening up maps), and after 15-20 seconds, it's accurate to 3m (9 feet!), the Epic, not so much. After about 30 seconds, it'd lock, and only be accurate to 20m (60 feet!?!). As for using navigation on the phone, again, I would buy a garmin or tom-tom before I'd use the Epic's navigation.
Bottom line, yeah, if you need a phone that just works, any HTC is the way to go. BUT, the screen, size of keyboard, how good it plays games, did I mention the screen quality? are unmatched on the Epic. Hardware-wise (beyond maybe the GPS), the Epic is unbeaten.
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Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone..
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The answers to all of your questions in this thread. A very nice debate between some of us hardware nuts. (I won. )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907182
noskoviak said:
Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone..
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Untrue. Stop using Quadrant and Linpack (outdated benchmarks that are optimized for Snapdragon) and you'll see that it is simply not the case.
MHz for MHz, the Qualcomm MSM SoCs are slightly more powerful than the Hummingbird, but at 800 MHz they still fall behind the 1 GHz S5PC110.
I was using smartbench what do u think of that one?
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I got the shift by the way... and I'm am loving it. Superior device imo.
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Shift is good, but the epic is on a whole other level, in terms of hardware. Stock the shift has the better software, but if your going to mod your phone with some of the awesome xda dev software.......that's where you'll see what I mean by being on a whole other level. Don't wait to long to trade your new shift in and get a real upgrade
So I'm positive everyone see's this question all the time. But they always judge it on the stock phones. Well I'm looking to get one of these phones, but to ROOT them. Which one do you believe I should get and why? I'm also looking into battery life even though buying an extended battery isn't a problem. Also which rom do you think is best for your pick? Thanks in advance.
Will be posting in both sides to get more answers
Epic 4g
Froyo= SyndicateROM Frozen 1.2
Gingerbread= AnonymousROM i3
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Boobs
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your second PWNED
LOL ^ 4th
Btw, I'd choose Epic over Shift.
You don't need more answers lol, just the 1st post, wait! And 2nd... yeah your going to need the 2nd one also.
...5th!
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I would bet that the Epic would perform better and imo the keyboard is also better. Epic is easily rooted and has a nicer display. Easy pick.
And everyone needs boob!
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Mmmm.. boobs....
7th..
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The epic pretty much is an all around better phone
An argument could be made on the SW side, but that falls by the wayside if you are not staying stock
Mainly, the EVO Shift is simply missing to many top level hardware items, that make it a upper mid range phone rather than the top tier the Epic is
I was faced with the same question when I bought not long ago.
Screen size favors Epic (4.0" - 3.6" That's a significant difference in Real Estate)
Screen brightness favors Epic (Samsungs Super AMOLED easily tops anything HTC has IMO)
Keyboard favors Epic (the larger size of the phone spaces the keys better, Epic has 5 rows including dedicated number row)
Processor favors the Epic (1.0 Ghz Hummingbird - 800 Mhz Snapdragon)
I believe rated battery stock time is 5.50 hrs for Epic to 6.00 for Shift.
Epic has front facing camera (which I never use, but some people do I'm sure)
The list goes on, but you can google other features.
As far as Flashing ROMs, I am NOT really tech savvy, but after reading through these forums I was not only able to root the phone quickly, but flashing was simple and I have found the ROMs I've used to be stable and functional with very few bugs. Can't beat that.
Epic, all the way.
Epic. Who ever choosed shift needs a swift kick in the wallnuts.
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So I'm positive everyone see's this question all the time. But they always judge it on the stock phones. Well I'm looking to get one of these phones, but to ROOT them. Which one do you believe I should get and why? I'm also looking into battery life even though buying an extended battery isn't a problem. Also which rom do you think is best for your pick? Thanks in advance.
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Even though i love my epic i would go with the shift because it has locked gps in a few seconds and capable of overclocking to 2.0Ghz and 1.6Ghz stable.
Its fun to use but i like epic 4g because of its screen. and Samsung is Easy to manipulate and easy to use like rooting and all that stuff.
But now its easy to get the Shift rooted in all.
I just like the bigger screen and AMOLED is deal breaker. i went with the shift at 1st because Samsung pissed me off as well as thousands more, with a certain phone.
Thanks everybody for your answers .. I'm leaning towards the Epic now.
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Even though i love my epic i would go with the shift because it has locked gps in a few seconds and capable of overclocking to 2.0Ghz and 1.6Ghz stable.
Its fun to use but i like epic 4g because of its screen. and Samsung is Easy to manipulate and easy to use like rooting and all that stuff.
But now its easy to get the Shift rooted in all.
I just like the bigger screen and AMOLED is deal breaker. i went with the shift at 1st because Samsung pissed me off as well as thousands more, with a certain phone.
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Yeah .. I'm leaning more towards the Epic though just because of the screen and 5 row keyboard.. But the thing I heard is that the Epic phones screen black out all the time, and I'm not going to have insurance or be on Sprint (flashing) .. And the HTC build quality is superior to Samsung. So I'm stuck.. any more suggestions?
I figured I would post this here, even though I also placed it in the troll thread, as it was having the same discussion
I haven't heard of the Epic screens blacking out, but mine has held up beyond belief, even after facing harsh abuse.
IMO, it is a not a "power/speed" issue that makes the EVO Shift a lesser phone, but the overall lack of top end hardware features, and those CAN'T be modded in later
Here are several reviews with the conclusions, as well as links to the original reviews, and the Epic is not just a winner, but a CLEAR winner in every case.
From Techd
You don’t have to imagine how two Android smartphones would perform when pitted against one another, as the folks at WireFly have done the deed. Pitting HTC EVO Shift 4G against the Samsung Epic 4G, the latter wins out big time.
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So, it seems like the EVO Shift 4G did admirably well for some basic processes, but stumbled badly when it comes to complex 3G graphics. But then again, it has a lower running processor than the Epic 4G with only 800MHz — though that’s not the end all be all performance measurement.
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4G Phone Fight: Evo Shift Battles Epic 4G
Avatar for Brian Barrett Brian Barrett —4G Phone Fight: Evo Shift Battles Epic 4G Let's say you want a 4G phone, because 4 is one more G than your current phone has. If you're deciding between Sprint's finest—the HTC Evo Shift and the Samsung Epic 4G—you're gonna want to watch this.
Both phones are sliders, both are on the same network, and by outward appearances seem pretty much identical. But! The Epic 4G, it turns out, is packing way more horses under the hood. As it should, considering it costs almost twice as much as the Shift.
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The Winner
Unlike other previous battles such as the HTC Thunderbolt vs. Motorola Droid Bionic battle, Samsung Epic 4Gthe HTC EVO Shift 4G vs. Samsung Epic 4G battle seems to have a pretty clear cut winner. The Samsung Epic 4G, even though it came out first, has huge advantages when it comes to display, and features while the HTC EVO Shift 4G manages to win a slight edge in design and software. Overall the advantages of the Samsung Epic 4G are too big to ignore and it easily comes out on top in this battle of 4G keyboard slider smartphones on Sprint.
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heres the thing though Shift is running 2nd Gen Snap. And even @ 800Mhz it pulls double score than Epic @1Ghz both on froyo.
Then Shift on 2.3 just blows the sh*t outta the Epic.
Newer Technology is better.
Older Technology is Wiser.
But in the end its all down to personal preference.
Just mess with both phones see what you really like and want.
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heres the thing though Shift is running 2nd Gen Snap. And even @ 800Mhz it pulls double score than Epic @1Ghz both on froyo.
Then Shift on 2.3 just blows the sh*t outta the Epic.
Newer Technology is better.
Older Technology is Wiser.
But in the end its all down to personal preference.
Just mess with both phones see what you really like and want.
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But official GB is just around the corner for the Epic (and already available if rooted). So with that, its still weigted twords the Epic imo.
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shawayne21 said:
Thanks everybody for your answers .. I'm leaning towards the Epic now.
Yeah .. I'm leaning more towards the Epic though just because of the screen and 5 row keyboard.. But the thing I heard is that the Epic phones screen black out all the time, and I'm not going to have insurance or be on Sprint (flashing) .. And the HTC build quality is superior to Samsung. So I'm stuck.. any more suggestions?
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Never had my screen go black or anything at all for that matter, but that would be covered by manufactures warranty I think.
The screen is amazing.
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shawayne21 said:
Thanks everybody for your answers .. I'm leaning towards the Epic now.
Yeah .. I'm leaning more towards the Epic though just because of the screen and 5 row keyboard.. But the thing I heard is that the Epic phones screen black out all the time, and I'm not going to have insurance or be on Sprint (flashing) .. And the HTC build quality is superior to Samsung. So I'm stuck.. any more suggestions?
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What do you mean goes black out? like the power saving feature? you can set the timer on that...
As for build quality..who told you HTC phones have better build quality? that is a myth created because the samsung phones feel so light..the build quality is top notch, not to mention Gorilla Glass..
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heres the thing though Shift is running 2nd Gen Snap. And even @ 800Mhz it pulls double score than Epic @1Ghz both on froyo.
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What scores? don't tell me quadrant/linpack...
gTen said:
What do you mean goes black out? like the power saving feature? you can set the timer on that...
As for build quality..who told you HTC phones have better build quality? that is a myth created because the samsung phones feel so light..the build quality is top notch, not to mention Gorilla Glass..
What scores? don't tell me quadrant/linpack...
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SmartBench 2010 and other various benchmarks but Quadrant does pull higher but thats not point. the point is its newer technology 45nm instead of 65nm.