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So I tested out a G2 today...

This phone is freakin fast! I know it's running froyo, but this beast got 29 mflops without any mods at all! Everything I did with it was instant response..no pause for anything at all and it was only on edge. When I got my vibrant, the G2 was still a month away. Anyone think the Vibrant will get anywhere near those numbers when it goes to Froyo. (I'm a benchmark whore, so this is really bugging me )
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Benchmarks are like horsepower, it is only as good as what you can use and anything more is just tire smoke and noise.... see lotus vs viper...

The vibrant doesn't support the neon instruction set, so no. Even when froyo comes out it will not reach those numbers.
On the other hand we have the best gpu on a phone yet.
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g1ftmfw said:
Benchmarks are like horsepower, it is only as good as what you can use and anything more is just tire smoke and noise.... see lotus vs viper...
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perfect example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uG9Afp6fy0

briankao1992 said:
perfect example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uG9Afp6fy0
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That was freakin' hilarious...point proven. Btw...never even heard of the neon instruction set. Having the best gpu is only as good as the games it plays...which is not very good right now. I hope some big name developers get working on it.
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My wife just got her g2 and honestly is very laggy compare to my vibrant and am still running stock with no lag fixes I was very surprise
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The thing is, the Vibrant is fast enough to handle any current iteration of Android. I'm using Bionix 1.8 overclocked, and I don't see what any additional speed would do for me. Faster benchmarks would be nice, but it's irrelevant to day to day use.

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perfect example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uG9Afp6fy0
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my point exactly... 8x the power and 1/3 the weight only 11 mph faster... lol

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perfect example:
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entertaining video

oldarney said:
The vibrant doesn't support the neon instruction set, so no. Even when froyo comes out it will not reach those numbers.
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really ? I thought it did because it can play all those HD videos even without converting

Before the Nexus One got Froyo, it was in the ballpark of 7 MFLOPS. Once the update rolled out, we began to see Linpack scores in the realm of 45 MFLOPS. In its stock form, a Samsung Vibrant gets about 8 MFLOPS. I have no doubt in a dramatic increase for this number once we get Froyo (expecially if you like to use custom kernals and whatnot).

The Thing About That Is Froyo Is Pretty Much Designed For Snapdragon Processors, The Hummingbird Processor Is Completely Different It Works, But It's Not Optimized For It
At Least Thats What I've Heard

i would like to see how our phones would run with:
Froyo+custom rom which includes: modified kernel, lagfix

ryan562 said:
i would like to see how our phones would run with:
Froyo+custom rom which includes: modified kernel, lagfix
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I thought froyo was supposed to get rid of the lag therefore we wouldn't need a lag fix.

i had the evo at first. was getting about 6 or 7 mflops per second on 2.1. they dropped froyo, and i bumped up to about 38 or 39. i got the g2 on october 3rd from the shack. loved the phone. yes, fast straight out of the box. was getting about 29 to 30 with it, but with its weight, the loose hinge, the crap htc pulled with making it supposedly, unrootable, and a few other issues, i took it back after a week, and went back to the vibrant. there are a few issues with its lag, but i just install a different launcher, take away the animation settings, and my vibe feels like one of the other two phones i mentioned. just my .02.

Erickomen27 said:
The Thing About That Is Froyo Is Pretty Much Designed For Snapdragon Processors, The Hummingbird Processor Is Completely Different It Works, But It's Not Optimized For It
At Least Thats What I've Heard
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Actually, it has nothing to do with snapdragon, and everything to do with the optimisation they did to the whole OS. FroYo brings little to the table feature wise, but they did a lot of work with optimisation of the core OS.
Also, Can You Not Capitalise Every Word. It Looks Ugly, Makes It Hard To Read, And Isn't Proper Grammar.

ryan562 said:
i would like to see how our phones would run with:
Froyo+custom rom which includes: modified kernel, lagfix
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I'd be scared. I think my vibrant would be more vibrant than me.
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Vibrant on balance still the best
the others are right Benchmarks are for wow factor really.
A couple of examples ........... My friend's compter have a I7 980 chip in their computer and Wow... it benches 20% faster than My AMD 1090 But........ when actually using the computers doing the same real life tasks, mine is way faster because all the components are better balanced. That said i have 32 gigs of ram in my desktop and only have two programs that recognize that much ram........ so i will have to wait 4 years for software to catch up......NOW that extra ram is a waste...right now but it does wow the benchmark on the ram.
Bottom line the glitz (benchmarks) are just that........ Glitz...... Love the vibrant Have not seen a better phone to date

If your looking for good games to take advantage of the gpu, try the gameloft website. Sandstorm is one I'm currently pounding.
There's currently a sort of war between gameloft and the android market.
My wifi's name is airorangex.
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The G2 is not just fast in benchmarks. It just smokes the Vibrant. Everything is super fast. Whenever I install multiple apps from the Market, the Vibrant just hangs after 2-3. And during the installation stage. After I got the G2, I used App Brain to set up all the Apps on my Vibrant on to the G2. It kept on installing the apps one after another without breaking into a sweat. There is practically no lag at all on the phone. It's a very impressive phone.
Now having said that, like the other poster, I'll be returning the G2 for the same reasons. After getting used to the Vibrant, the weight is too heavy. The hinge is most definitely a problem. Lying on the bed with the phone in your hand, it keeps closing. And HTC's attempt to prevent rooting pissed me off. But Samsung is pissing me off as well with their lack of communication and delay in getting Froyo out. Sadly the dev community is not making as much progress as I had hoped with the world wide launch of the Galaxy S. I might take a look at the G2 again in a couple of months if the mod situation does not improve and Samsung continues to drag its feet.

To those who came from the evo...

What were your reasons for switching to the shift? I can deal with no hard keyboard and crap battery life, but was there a noticable difference in processor speed?
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The processor while only 800MHz vastly outperforms the 1GHz in the EVO. Also, since the CPU in the Shift is a 45nm processor it gets much, much battery life sitting on a stock configuration. Once we have perma-root and NAND unlock on this thing you'll be able to overclock it massively without much loss in the way of battery life. The GPU is also much better than the EVO's. This phone flies compared to the EVO at stock and even on CM or Myn's Warm 2.2.
I came from an EVO and haven't regretted it at all.

My things are that I am not a huge fan of the smaller screen...taller but not much wider than my hero...and I am a romaholic will it be ready to port evo roms or g2 roms to the shift?
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the5ifty said:
My things are that I am not a huge fan of the smaller screen...taller but not much wider than my hero...and I am a romaholic will it be ready to port evo roms or g2 roms to the shift?
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Until we get a perm root with nand unlock, the only thing folks can give you is speculation. Until said time, the answer would be "NO".

I know nothing can be done until perm root. Just wondering if there are enough similarities.
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The biggest most notable issue for me was the drastic change in screen size, its not a issue for me now though, as I consider the battery life to be an excellent compromise in place of the larger display. And I do notice a difference with the cpu when I'm playing dungeon defenders, gameboid, or need for speed shift. This phone also handles gt racing hd much more fluidly than my evo ever has. I do prefer reading books on the evo in a pinch/ whenever my kindle isn't within reach.
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I'm sorry i could not get past the drastic downgrade in screen size. Once you have had an evo.. a real evo, you cannot downgrade for a phone that has the potential to have a better battery duration, cpu, and gpu. You must understand that one of the leading factors as to why the evo's battery depletes so fast is because of the larger and might i add more beautiful screen. Until, they come out with a real evo shift with the same size (at least 4") screen with better battery life i will never switch to a lesser version of my phone.
note: I had a "evo" shift pre-ordered until i saw what it really was; a false association with the original evo in order to generate more revenue.

well thanks for not shifting lol

webguru4life said:
I'm sorry i could not get past the drastic downgrade in screen size. Once you have had an evo.. a real evo, you cannot downgrade for a phone that has the potential to have a better battery duration, cpu, and gpu. You must understand that one of the leading factors as to why the evo's battery depletes so fast is because of the larger and might i add more beautiful screen. Until, they come out with a real evo shift with the same size (at least 4") screen with better battery life i will never switch to a lesser version of my phone.
note: I had a "evo" shift pre-ordered until i saw what it really was; a false association with the original evo in order to generate more revenue.
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Lol @ the Evo guru elitist
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webguru4life said:
I'm sorry i could not get past the drastic downgrade in screen size. Once you have had an evo.. a real evo, you cannot downgrade for a phone that has the potential to have a better battery duration, cpu, and gpu. You must understand that one of the leading factors as to why the evo's battery depletes so fast is because of the larger and might i add more beautiful screen. Until, they come out with a real evo shift with the same size (at least 4") screen with better battery life i will never switch to a lesser version of my phone.
note: I had a "evo" shift pre-ordered until i saw what it really was; a false association with the original evo in order to generate more revenue.
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You do realize that sprint is making the "Evo" brand a line of 4G devices rather than just one, soon to be outdated model right?
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oboroninja said:
You do realize that sprint is making the "Evo" brand a line of 4G devices rather than just one, soon to be outdated model right?
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LOL he's a guru, of course he knows that, and he also knows that the Evo is superior to the Shift in performance...oh wait...

After removing a lot of the crapware in the phone and keeping stock apps that I will use, the shift is even more responsive than out of the box. I'm only keeping or installing apps that don't slow down the phone and ones I use everyday. I try to keep it lean and quick. I had my doubts in the beginning until I figured out some of my essential apps were slowing things down. I found smaller and quicker alternatives.
It is amazing how much quicker things run when I switched to adw ex, fast preset, turn off eye candy, use gingerbread theme and smaller filesize keyboards. Gingerkeyboard, Dr.ben0x keyboard, HTC ime mod with custom theme, battery notif all help with keeping my phone "speedy". Pun intended

I have an EVO, but my girlfriend will be purchasing an EVO in a week.
Anything I should pay special attention to?

kpoz said:
I have an EVO, but my girlfriend will be purchasing an EVO in a week.
Anything I should pay special attention to?
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you mean the shift?

so I think I am back to getting an evo with my upgrade on the first and hopefully there will be permanent root for the shift before my 30 days is up so I can just trade them...i need root and roms
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riggsandroid said:
LOL he's a guru, of course he knows that, and he also knows that the Evo is superior to the Shift in performance...oh wait...
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Lol I guess he didn't get that memo regarding the processor's performance...
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oboroninja said:
Lol I guess he didn't get that memo regarding the processor's performance...
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while webguru does come off sounding like a bonehead with all his "Real EVO" talk, I do own both phones and I'd say the performance of the Shift at 800mhz to be very similar to the EVO at 1ghz. This was comparing things like load up time and performance of web browsing, gaming (from emulators all the way up to extremely graphic intensive games (N.O.V.A., Asphalt5, etc.)) and video playback, as well as plain old UI fluidity. And to be perfectly honest there is no noticeable difference stock vs stock. We'll have to wait until root is achieved so we can see the true potential of the Shift but as it stands right now with stock configurations, you can't give much of an edge to the shift processor wise. You can post all the quadrant and smartbench scores you want but real world, both devices side by side simultaneously running the same programs, they run essentially identical. So pick your poison: Do you want a bigger screen...or a hardware keyboard. Both phones kick ass!
As likely as it is that the shift will gain root/overclocking, as it stands, Cyanogen on the EVO currently blows away the stock shift in my experience.

johnnycross22 said:
while webguru does come off sounding like a bonehead with all his "Real EVO" talk, I do own both phones and I'd say the performance of the Shift at 800mhz to be very similar to the EVO at 1ghz. This was comparing things like load up time and performance of web browsing, gaming (from emulators all the way up to extremely graphic intensive games (N.O.V.A., Asphalt5, etc.)) and video playback, as well as plain old UI fluidity. And to be perfectly honest there is no noticeable difference stock vs stock. We'll have to wait until root is achieved so we can see the true potential of the Shift but as it stands right now with stock configurations, you can't give much of an edge to the shift processor wise. You can post all the quadrant and smartbench scores you want but real world, both devices side by side simultaneously running the same programs, they run essentially identical. So pick your poison: Do you want a bigger screen...or a hardware keyboard. Both phones kick ass!
As likely as it is that the shift will gain root/overclocking, as it stands, Cyanogen on the EVO currently blows away the stock shift in my experience.
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Try playing Dungeon Defenders, that game plays just awful on my Evo, wether I'm running RLS5, CM6.1, or MiUi, or any multitude of the available kernels that include HAVS,BFS, ect.It stutters hangs up sometimes while trying to navigate the menu, and you don't have to have a lot of enemies on the screen simultaneously for framerate to drop signifigantly to the point of being unplayable. On the Shift Dungeon Defenders is actually playable.
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I upgraded from my EVO, reason is I hate Touch keyboards, and Evo was a bit big in my pocket. CPU and GPU alot better on the Shift, battery life seems great even on stock rom. I switched back to using my EVO until a perm root and nand unlock is achieved and better roms are released. Phone is the perfect size to pocket carry and have a physical keyboard. Can't wait to overclock this sucker, Quadrant over 1500 running stock, gotta love that!

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Try playing Dungeon Defenders, that game plays just awful on my Evo, wether I'm running RLS5, CM6.1, or MiUi, or any multitude of the available kernels that include HAVS,BFS, ect.It stutters hangs up sometimes while trying to navigate the menu, and you don't have to have a lot of enemies on the screen simultaneously for framerate to drop signifigantly to the point of being unplayable. On the Shift Dungeon Defenders is actually playable.
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Thanks I'll give it a shot, I've been tempted to try out DD. I certainly wasn't trying to say the EVO and Shift are identical performance wise in all situations or will be in the future, I tried to use the words "as it stands" and "essentially" because I was just sharing my overall experience as of right now which is that for 99% of applications available (except Dungeon Defenders apparently lol) as well as core OS apps, the performance of the EVO is extremely similar to that of the Shift. It'll be interesting to see how well the shift holds up in the future as games become more and more complex, hopefully they dont all start requiring Tegra2 too soon but as far as non-600MB (!!! as I just discovered now when trying to download DD, holy crap!) tegra2-tailored games and applications, the EVO can pretty much go blow for blow.

Did anyone come from an Epic 4g?

My lil brother wants to get an evo shift when his upgrade is due. He's not real tech savvy like me( he could care less), but I am. I have an epic, so I want to know, if anyone came from an Epic 4g to the shift, how do they compare? Thanks in advance.
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zanderman112 said:
My lil brother wants to get an evo shift when his upgrade is due. He's not real tech savvy like me( he could care less), but I am. I have an epic, so I want to know, if anyone came from an Epic 4g to the shift, how do they compare? Thanks in advance.
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I think there are one or two threads on this already try going back a page or two or doing a search
powered by the tears of a million orphaned alpacas...

Kind of a Sense vs Touchwiz decision. The software on the Shift in my opinion is much more refined and polished. Of couse that changes if you have a custom launcher.
The keyboard on the Shift is much better. The phone feels much more solid than the Epic. My Epic has a gap between the keys and the screen so when pressing the screen you hear a click. This isn't an issue on my Shift.
Camera/screen are both better on the Epic. The quality of the Epics screen in my opinion is unmatched by any phone currently.
Front facing camera on Epic....none on the Shift.
Speed differences are nonexistent. Both phones run quick on stock. Real life use you won't notice a big difference.
Gaming....Epic wins. If you guys are looking to do any heavy gaming the Epic is the better option.
Battery life...kind of a toss up. I feel my Shift goes a little longer but I've also read complaints. Although I do use my Epic as my mp3 player during the day.
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Why do you say the Epic is better with games? Benchmarks for the shift hit 1200 on 2.2 while benchmarks for the Epic hit 900 on 2.1

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Why do you say the Epic is better with games? Benchmarks for the shift hit 1200 on 2.2 while benchmarks for the Epic hit 900 on 2.1
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Benchmarks aren't accurate. They're mostly built for qualcomm processors. Besides they are just numbers. Its real life usage that counts.
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zanderman112 said:
Benchmarks aren't accurate. They're mostly built for qualcomm processors. Besides they are just numbers. Its real life usage that counts.
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We really need someone to run a game side by side on the epic and on the shift. From there we can tell how they will perform, but the higher benchmark number+ flash support on the GPU tells me the shift has the better GPU.

kingdruid said:
We really need someone to run a game side by side on the epic and on the shift. From there we can tell how they will perform, but the higher benchmark number+ flash support on the GPU tells me the shift has the better GPU.
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After I put 2.2 on and rooted my room mate's epic it destroyed my shift in terms of FPS on quadrant, even though it resulted in a lower overall number at the end. The GPU definitely seems to be much more powerful on the epic.
however, my shift feels much more responsive to the touch and interaction with the phone seems sharper and smoother.
The keyboard is better on the shift in terms of quality and physicality, but its lack of a permanent number row can be mildly annoying.

Also, if you really are concerned with quadrant/benchmark scores then an Epic running a 2.2 custom froyo rom, such as bonsai v2.x can score as high as 21-2200 scores on quadrant. The reason the epic gets a 900 on stock 2.1 is mainly due to samsungs use of their proprietary filesystem RFS instead of a linux fs like ext2/3/4. Once upgraded to a better fs, the epic spanks the evo and shift insofar as benchmarks are concerned. However when it comes to looks, feel, ui, etc. that's a different story.
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We really need someone to run a game side by side on the epic and on the shift. From there we can tell how they will perform, but the higher benchmark number+ flash support on the GPU tells me the shift has the better GPU.
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The GPU of the Epic is definitely more to the task of gaming than that of the EVO Shift. I understand that overclocked Shifts are doing very well in productivity, but the overclocking does not boost the GPU performance enough to overtake the Epic’s capabilities.
I believe the overall feel of the Shift to be much better than the Epic. Build quality is superior, keyboard feel is better and overall size is more convenient. The Epic is fast and does have a great display. The battery life after having both for a while ended up leaning towards the Epic for me.

Epic vs shift?

My upgrade comes through on March 1st.. I've looked into each of these phones with great detail. This is what I've come up with in a nutshell. And I want everyone's professional opinion as ill be using this phone for a year or two.. thx guys and gals..(is there a girl on xda yet? ;p)
Stock pros of shift: pocket friendly, higher quality exterior, possibly more support on xda, I heart HTC.
Stock pros of epic 4g: better battery life, amoled screen, front facing camera, video card for twice the gaming potential
Both are 99.00 on Amazon with upgrade eligibility (so is the evo, but I don't need a tablet just yet, 4" is quite enough for me) .. I use sprint im not switching its cheap.. I'd rather have a steak then slightly improved cell service. I have wifi at home anyways..
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My wife has a shift and I have an Epic. Her phone is more stable and her camera takes noticeably better pictures. The keyboard is also better on the shift as sometimes the keys skip on the Epic. As far as froyo is concerned it is much more stable on the Shift as well.
When on the shift section of xda I noticed a lot of people got the phone for their wives and not for themselves. They say games don't run as smoothe on the shift such as psx rom.games. and there is no phone on the market that I've layed my hands on that has a prettier screen than the epic. The colors are just plain and simply better. The phone isn't the eye catcher the epic is
I would go personally with the Epic in hopes of sprint and Samsung getting their act together and fixing the numerous bugs that are associated with it. You'll definetely have a love hate relationship with the epic but I believe in the long run you'll be better off with it.
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At this point id say wait for the next round of phones as there'll be dual core options. Also, my gil has the evo and i the epic and they are about the same size overall, not too much difference.
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jirafabo said:
At this point id say wait for the next round of phones as there'll be dual core options. Also, my gil has the evo and i the epic and they are about the same size overall, not too much difference.
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If you can wait for the next round of phones I would, since they'll probably be out this summer. If you can't, the Epic is a good phone. I'm currently on EB 13 and I did a fresh install and then loaded all of my apps manually. There's still problems with the sport mode in the camera, Time without signal (TWS) being high unless you do the airplane mode toggle, and the camcorder being a little sluggish in low light. These aren't deal breakers for me, because I don't really use the phone for low light recordings or sport mode and I'm fine toggling the airplane mode. However, it would be nice to have this fixed. I haven't experienced any of the other bugs people have claimed, so I'm still very happy with the performance of EB 13, but I'm not holding my breath for a fix. I mainly stay on EB 13 because the battery life for me is drastically better than 2.1 and the performance is no worst than 2.1. The screen is a lot better as well.
Like I said before, I hope they fix the problems, but I wouldn't buy a phone assuming they will......

IMO, it all boils down to this..
If you want a KB, get the Epic, if you don't get the EVO
The EVO shift is simply not a high end phone, no matter how it was marketed.
It is not a matter of speed, but just a lack of to many high end features.

I would really say it boils down to you really wanting to mod it I have an epic and I've been pretty happy with having it rommed to froyo until. Although some of the hardware glitches or software do kinda get annoying. I still think it's pretty descent.
The shift I'm assuming is a descent phone as well and I heard the keyboard is way better then epic, so it really comes down to preference I really think.
Best advice I can say is go to the sprint store and play with both of them for about 30 minutes, like literally 30 minutes.

I own both. Epic has a nicer screen and is faster for games. Shift seems to be better for literally everything else.
But if you like to tweak endlessly, Epic may be more your speed.

Epic by a gazillian times. The screen is simply amazing! And the gpu screams. Along froyo with ext filesystem, it even beats the super dual core tegra Atrix phone. Trust me... Epic is hands down best. I owned a Evo and a shift. Both underperform compared to Epic.

Thanks a lot guys after reading I think I may just wait for next row of phones.. when do you think they'll come out?
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Brah the epic is a MAN PHONE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UB2DtU0UOo
The shift is something I would recommend to my grandma. though i wouldn't recommend a android phone to any tech impaired person( as my grandma is, fuuuu dont even get me started.)

From what it seems, the Shift is a less expensive/toned-down alternative to the Epic and Evo. So you're more or less comparing two differently classed phones.
Also, I love the keyboard on the epic. It's very roomy and comfortable, especially with its five rows. Plus, the Super AMOLED screen is gorgeous and a serious selling point. And regarding support on XDA, the Epic has nearly 10 times more threads and posts in each sub-forum.
I've never actually owned a Shift, but just from the numbers it seems the Epic is a much better deal, especially since they are the same price on Amazon. But waiting for Sprint's next lineup of Android phones seems like a good choice as well.

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There's still problems with the sport mode in the camera... and the camcorder being a little sluggish in low light.
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Not sure if it makes a difference to you or not, but thete is now a fix fir the cameta issues in eb13. Keepin' the faith that sprint will release a more stable update soon. In the mean time get the epic and trust in the great devs we have here.
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Gersonian said:
Not sure if it makes a difference to you or not, but thete is now a fix fir the cameta issues in eb13. Keepin' the faith that sprint will release a more stable update soon. In the mean time get the epic and trust in the great devs we have here.
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Lol screw samsung and sprint for updates. Devs for the win.
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Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone..
professoroak said:
From what it seems, the Shift is a less expensive/toned-down alternative to the Epic and Evo. So you're more or less comparing two differently classed phones.
Also, I love the keyboard on the epic. It's very roomy and comfortable, especially with its five rows. Plus, the Super AMOLED screen is gorgeous and a serious selling point. And regarding support on XDA, the Epic has nearly 10 times more threads and posts in each sub-forum.
I've never actually owned a Shift, but just from the numbers it seems the Epic is a much better deal, especially since they are the same price on Amazon. But waiting for Sprint's next lineup of Android phones seems like a good choice as well.
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Heavy
I've had the Epic and the Evo, not the Shift tho. But I've played with the Shift for a while and one thing that surprises me is HOW HEAVY it is! For the weight difference, I'd almost just get the Epic. Regardless... if you want a billion ROM's that's hard to decipher and just really be confused most of the time, get an HTC. Tho, I will say their stock ROM's hand Samy's rear to them. The build quality on all three phones I would say are on par with each other.
The GPS on the Evo is AMAZING! I ALWAYS get a quick lock (within 5-10 seconds of opening up maps), and after 15-20 seconds, it's accurate to 3m (9 feet!), the Epic, not so much. After about 30 seconds, it'd lock, and only be accurate to 20m (60 feet!?!). As for using navigation on the phone, again, I would buy a garmin or tom-tom before I'd use the Epic's navigation.
Bottom line, yeah, if you need a phone that just works, any HTC is the way to go. BUT, the screen, size of keyboard, how good it plays games, did I mention the screen quality? are unmatched on the Epic. Hardware-wise (beyond maybe the GPS), the Epic is unbeaten.
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Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone..
sent from my hero aosp2.2 cause aospcm7 2.3 was not as fast or stable for me.
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The answers to all of your questions in this thread. A very nice debate between some of us hardware nuts. (I won. )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907182

noskoviak said:
Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone..
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Untrue. Stop using Quadrant and Linpack (outdated benchmarks that are optimized for Snapdragon) and you'll see that it is simply not the case.
MHz for MHz, the Qualcomm MSM SoCs are slightly more powerful than the Hummingbird, but at 800 MHz they still fall behind the 1 GHz S5PC110.

I was using smartbench what do u think of that one?
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I got the shift by the way... and I'm am loving it. Superior device imo.
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Shift is good, but the epic is on a whole other level, in terms of hardware. Stock the shift has the better software, but if your going to mod your phone with some of the awesome xda dev software.......that's where you'll see what I mean by being on a whole other level. Don't wait to long to trade your new shift in and get a real upgrade

my take on the 3D

OK, I just tried the 4G and 3D side-by-side for about 45 min. IMO the screens are not much different from one another in terms of the look of text and images, and if anything the 4G looks more contrasty! For the record I do see a minor difference in overall white balance, but it is minor and not worth fussing about. Note also that the narrower screen on the 3D means that images on web sites appear MUCH smaller than they do on the 4G. The 4G seems to fit the image to the page width while the 3D makes them smaller for some reason.
Also in testing, the 4G has a better camera for sure. It's sharper, better white balance and just as fast in operation as the 3D. I have a question - those of you who feel the 3D has a better screen - have you used them side-by-side, or are you going on memory?
I honestly found very little difference in terms of overall speed too - apps load about as fast as each other (camera, gallery, scrolling photos, google maps, gmail, etc. all work as fast on the 4D as they do on the 3D - using WIFI) Web pages usually loaded faster on the 4G!
Aside from being slightly more narrow, the only meaningful improvement *for me* would really be better battery life...but as my Evo gets through a day of heavy use as it is, I will not be using my upgrade for the 3D.
For the record, the Nexus S has more contrast than either of the Evos - though the Nexus also has Major battery issues...

pictures on 3D looks smaller because of the screen resolution...
i did side by side, today my 4G its going for sale, for me the screen on the 3d looks more like a retina display, better colors and crisp.

I got the 3d on launch day. Had the 4g since launch day. I'd give it a little more testing if I were you. The screen is much more crisp and sharp. Not sure how they had it set up where you tested it out at, but believe me when I tell you it does everything faster (as in opening apps, loading, etc.) Only thing I miss is the kickstand and the speaker from the O.G. Evo.
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I guess I agree with the reviewers more than you guys do. Many said the screen looks soft and low in contast. IMO the 3d screen is at best as good as the 4g. Especially when held side by side. - it is obvious. And I also held it side by side with the Nexus - no contest there. Nexus wins hands down in terms of contrast. Though I do like the Evo phones more overall because of better build quality, etc. Anyway my upgrade is not going to be used just yet...
For me, the OG Evo is fast enough. What I really want to address in a new phone are:
More contrast in screen - not addressed with the 3D
hand-holdability - not really addressed with the 3D (though it is slightly more narrow, but taller)
Battery life - my current 4G setup goes 24 hours with heavy use. Which is good IMO. Though I gather the 3D can do even better.

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I guess I agree with the reviewers more than you guys do. Many said the screen looks soft and low in contast. IMO the 3d screen is at best as good as the 4g. Especially when held side by side. - it is obvious. And I also held it side by side with the Nexus - no contest there. Nexus wins hands down in terms of contrast. Though I do like the Evo phones more overall because of better build quality, etc. Anyway my upgrade is not going to be used just yet...
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Hahahaha... Well, I have my OG Evo still and the Evo 3D. And I too notice the whites on the OG Evo appear brighter. But the difference between 800*480 compared to 960*540 is very noticeable. Like for example...both have Twidroyd installed on them...but I get 6 icons on the UberBar on the OG Evo; 7 on the Evo 3D...and text is definitely more crisp. Also very noticeable when zooming in on pics compared to the OG Evo.

I have both currently and the EVO 3d in my OP is an upgrade in all aspects. I even put the same wall paper on mine as my friends Samsung Fascinate and had a couple people look and they thought the EVO 3d had the better picture and more true colors.

The Evo is already such a great phone I just can't see dropping some extra money to get the 3D version just for a screen with better resolution. Yeah it has dual processors and what not, but I wonder what that does for battery life. I'm still loving my Evo so I don't have any plans to upgrade.

Me too. The 3d is not enough better ;-)
When I get bored I swap between the Nexus and 4g.

If the Evo 3D still had the 3D functionality but was named something else (say the Evo 2) 99% of the people posting negative about it wouldn't.
Sad that a simple number and letter actually makes all the difference in the world to some.

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If the Evo 3D still had the 3D functionality but was named something else (say the Evo 2) 99% of the people posting negative about it wouldn't.
Sad that a simple number and letter actually makes all the difference in the world to some.
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The above statement does not apply to me. I am basing my comments on the assumption that I will not use the 3D functionality at all, honestly. I am ignoring the "3D" for the purposes of assessing the phone for my purposes.

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The above statement does not apply to me. I am basing my comments on the assumption that I will not use the 3D functionality at all, honestly. I am ignoring the "3D" for the purposes of assessing the phone for my purposes.
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I didn't mean to direct my comments at you.

No problem, I just wanted to be clear.

The E3D is significantly better than the EVO in so many aspects. The screen is mote crisp, has better contrast, and does not have the ridiculous purple tint that plagues the screens of so many EVOs.I didn't realise how bad the screen was until I got the 3D. The 3D is faster and has significantly improved battery life. The camera performs better in low light situations and the 3D is.a really sick feature. Most of the previously 3D naysayers actually love this feature in the 3D forums, including me. You may knock it, but you don't own one. I love my EVO but the 3D is clearly s much better phone on every aspect.
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The Evo is already such a great phone I just can't see dropping some extra money to get the 3D version just for a screen with better resolution. Yeah it has dual processors and what not, but I wonder what that does for battery life. I'm still loving my Evo so I don't have any plans to upgrade.
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Asynchronous dual core = better battery life.
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The reason the speed isn't much different is because the 3d is running 2.3. 2.3 doesn't take advantage of the dual core processor correctly. Once 2.4 comes out and is sent to the 3d you will notice a huge difference from what i heard because it knows how to use the 3d's beastly hardware to the fullest. Haha
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I agree its not enough better for me to upgrade yet. I went from a Hero to an EVO and that upgrade was HUGE. Just not impressed enough with the 3D to use my upgrade yet, gonna wait and see what the future has in store.

I also have the 4 g on launch day and now have had the 3 d since launch day. You can definitely tell a difference with the processors. Browsing in scrolling through menus is faster than is ever been for me before. This dual core processor blows my mind.
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Yesterday I played with the one at the Best buy store. the 3D hurts your eyes. The only thing that makes this worth while is the processor. Otherwise its not worth the upgrade.
Sense 3.0 is nice, but you can get it with custom roms here.
One thing I couldn't figure out was does it support wifi N?

I went and tried it again for 30 min yesterday. What is interesting is that on WIFI, the 4G loads pages faster than the 3d EVERY TIME. I loaded probably 10 pages at the same exact time on both. 4G always won. Anyone else try this?

I'm sticking with the 4G until Seidio puts out an extended battery for the 3D.
They've announced a 1900 mAh one. That's not really extended IMO especially since stock is 1730 mAh.
There is a rumor of a super extended 3200 mAh. I guess that's okay, but it's not been confirmed yet. All the "pics" of it are of the Thunderbolt one.