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Why is everyone excited over the G2 if the galaxy s is faster and has a larger screen

I really don't understand the fervor and I don't mean to be a jerk. Why is it such a big deal?
I have a friend who's even held out for the g2 over the vibrant.

Probably because T-Mobile is marketing the G2 more since it has the T-Mobile brand. Kind of like what Verizon does to "Droid" It's all marketing.

im not excited. sure it will be a great phone. but i honestly think it's ugly. i can appreciate the hw keyboard though.

Some people are excited because it comes with Android 2.2 and given Samsung's past, we could be waiting a while for 2.2.

KerryG said:
Some people are excited because it comes with Android 2.2 and given Samsung's past, we could be waiting a while for 2.2.
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You don't seem very optimistic at all. Samsung UK have confirmed Android 2.2 for UK but nothing for U.S., hoping for the same result in the U.S. or at least close to it.

It utilizes HSPA+ which is only really useful if it's deployed in your area.

The marketing angle (mentioned above) is certainly part of it. Also, it's the named-successor to the G1 - that's special for lots of folks. Thats the highlight for me, really. If the Galaxy S lineup hadn't gotten the XDA section and CM roadmap (legitimized the platform, in my eyes) I might be waiting for a G2 also. Now that I've got my Vibrant, though ... No way could I be happy with a smaller screen and lesser CPU/GPU. I love my Vibrant. Some folks really love the thought of a "official" Google phone though. To each their own. Anyway, if the Vibrant starts pissing me off 6 months from now, G2 means I have something else to try out instead.

I LOVE my Vibrant but I will most likely get a G2, mainly because of the keyboard, the success and continued support the G1 still gets from the XDA community.
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Keyboard isn't even a necessity for me. 4" Screen + Virtual Keyboard (or Swype) works more than fine for me. I definitely do think T-Mobile will spend most of their money towards marketing the G2 and saying it runs at 4G speeds (HSPA+)

just because the cpu has a slower max speed doesnt necessarily mean the phone will run slower. plus the vibrant has touchwiz bogging it down a little. the g2 is vanilla android 2.2. I'm excited for it.
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jaker.the.skater said:
just because the cpu has a slower max speed doesnt necessarily mean the phone will run slower. plus the vibrant has touchwiz bogging it down a little. the g2 is vanilla android 2.2. I'm excited for it.
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Eugene released a package to remove TouchWiz. Get your facts straight.
Also, once CM6 gets released.. everything will be good again.

If the g2 has a working GPS and compass I'd consider it a better phone than the vibrant on that alone. I could care less about the qwerty keyboard but g2 will be shipping with swype so that's good. Hspa+ is a major leap for tmo where the vibrant won't even be able to compare. G2 is basically the next gen dev phone for Android. That holds a lot of weight for many.

zephiK said:
Eugene released a package to remove TouchWiz. Get your facts straight.
Also, once CM6 gets released.. everything will be good again.
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I know... I have hybrid r3 currently installed. I'm just saying it will be fast without having to remove excess stuff.
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Physical keyboard, HSPA+, stock android 2.2 (I think I read that they added 4 more homescreens though). Also, given the fact that it's the G1's successor, it'll be great for the mod/hack community
It sucks I bought my vibrant over a month ago, I would've gladly returned it for a G2

I'm still not real sure if I want to give up my Vibrant for the G2. I really don't think the G2 will just blow the Vibrant out of the water or make it obsolete. It has a slower processor, smaller screen, smaller battery, and is thicker. What I didn't like about my G1 and Cliq was the thickness. When I got swipe on the G1, I stopped using the physical keyboard and I wouldn't be using it if the Vibrant had one either.
It does have a camera flash, 2.2, and HSPA+ and potentially more support/development, but nothing else about it is appealing. The trackpad is neat, but I feel like too much real estate is being wasted below the screen on the G2, making it longer than it should be. I've been getting along just fine without a trackball/pad for a few weeks now.
I wish there was just a little more known about the hardware and an exact release date. I don't think I could lie with my old Tmobile Dash for more than another week if I sent my Vibrant back.

it's all about that scorpion processor, its the first of its kind on a phone, and although it is clocked lower than the current superphones (g2 running at 800mhz instead of 1ghz). it is a 45nm processor rather than a 65nm like snapdragon and other 1ghz, meaning it'll consume less battery power and be more efficient most likely beating the current 1ghz in speed and performance.
especially since its running stock froyo..theres also the hspa+ speeds, and for some ppl the physical keyboard is a plus. This phone will most likely take the crown as the fastest android phone...but..I still think it looks ugly and too plain :/

I wouldnt get too excited till it actually comes out. Then we'll know for sure on everything. All this regret or this will be better is just whatevers till the g2 is actually out
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jaker.the.skater said:
just because the cpu has a slower max speed doesnt necessarily mean the phone will run slower. plus the vibrant has touchwiz bogging it down a little. the g2 is vanilla android 2.2. I'm excited for it.
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Exactly!
The processor in the G2 is an 800MHz Scorpion processor, which benchmarks at around the same performance level as the 1GHz Hummingbird processor in the Vibrant and is a bit more efficient on battery power. It's a huge improvement over the Snapdragon processors, about 4 times the speed at comparable clockspeeds.

jaker.the.skater said:
I know... I have hybrid r3 currently installed. I'm just saying it will be fast without having to remove excess stuff.
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even if you had a G2 running Vanilla i'm guessing that it wouldn't be running "STOCK" you would mod it like the majority of us here on XDA. That is the fun of it. Removing **** that we don't want and adding stuff that we do. So for us it really doesn't matter at the end of the day that the G2 will be running Vanilla. SO WHAT. Our vibrant will have AOSP and CM6.1 soon enough Just sayin.

Well, the G2 will awesome, I only have a problem with it:
It's release will severly slow down development on the Vibrant. :/ I've only had my Vibrant 3 weeks so if development doesnt pick up soon ill trade it in for a G2.

Vibrant getting questionable.

The new myTouchHD got benckmarked here http://androidapproved.com/item/tmobile-mytouch-hd-benchmarked-video/
I don't think the vibrant can stack up to these new phones even with 2.2. I've seen some galaxy s phones with 2.2 (i9000 and captivate) even though they are not 100% they are stable enough for everyday use and the score doesn't even come close to this or to the G2.

felix.akinyemi said:
The new myTouchHD got benckmarked here http://androidapproved.com/item/tmobile-mytouch-hd-benchmarked-video/
I don't think the vibrant can stack up to these new phones even with 2.2. I've seen some galaxy s phones with 2.2 (i9000 and captivate) even though they are not 100% they are stable enough for everyday use and the score doesn't even come close to this or to the G2.
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How is the Vibrant questionable because there's a faster phone? Slap on Bionix or one of Eugene's ROMs and you'll have a flawless experience. My phone flies, benchmarks be damned, so what am I missing out on? Besides, neither of those new phones has this gorgeous screen, so meh.

felix.akinyemi said:
The new myTouchHD got benckmarked here http://androidapproved.com/item/tmobile-mytouch-hd-benchmarked-video/
I don't think the vibrant can stack up to these new phones even with 2.2. I've seen some galaxy s phones with 2.2 (i9000 and captivate) even though they are not 100% they are stable enough for everyday use and the score doesn't even come close to this or to the G2.
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Those ROMs that aren't 100% typically don't have JIT & that's the main thing that makes froyo benchmark faster.
Also, keep in mind most the benchmarking apps were pretty much designed around the snapdragon, the hummingbird processor doesn't score as high as it should.
Also, it still has a better GPU than the other phones, so even if they do benchmark better (when everything is equal), the SGS series can still beat them in other things.
But, just as with PCs, the second you bought it, it was already obsolete. This phone came out in what, July, it's been long enough that it shouldn't be top of the heap anymore & if you expected it to stay the best forever, you were wrong.

I agree but how are we certain they are going to include jit...so far haven't seen it in any of the leaked roms. You think at this close to a complete stage they will have it implemented by now??
Im running Bionix on my phone and yes it flys...

felix.akinyemi said:
I agree but how are we certain they are going to include jit...so far haven't seen it in any of the leaked roms. You think at this close to a complete stage they will have it implemented by now??
Im running Bionix on my phone and yes it flys...
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Eugenes group froyo rom has it enabled & its pretty nice. Not to start anything but IMO the phone is capable to give the average user a good experience of "android", the best? That's up to sammy & tmo...
Question the phone now, sell it now (while it has value). I hated my G1 pre CM.... Couldn't sell it for anything after other phones started coming out. Just head the recent flaws of G2.... Grass always seems greener on the other side.

felix.akinyemi said:
I agree but how are we certain they are going to include jit...so far haven't seen it in any of the leaked roms. You think at this close to a complete stage they will have it implemented by now??
Im running Bionix on my phone and yes it flys...
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Well for that, we'll have to wait for the I9000 to start getting its froyo drop to know.
If it were anyone but Samsung, I'd say "of course they'll have it! What do you think they are, stupid!" But, with Samsung, they'll piss off their entire current userbase to try and get that next group of suckers to buy their phones.
If Cyanogen can get JIT working on a G1/MT [even though it was essentially useless for them because of RAM limitations], I don't see why Samsung should have any problems with it.
All~G1 said:
Eugenes group froyo rom has it enabled & its pretty nice. Not to start anything but IMO the phone is capable to give the average user a good experience of "android", the best? That's up to sammy & tmo...
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Ah, I didn't realize that any of the froyo ROMs had it. I probably stopped reading when I saw that the GPS was useless though [haven't looked in a while, that may have been fixed].

Geez you guys are uninformed. Froyo for the Galaxy S line HAS JIT and has had it for awhile. Even Eugene's new Froyo port has JIT enabled.

Kubernetes said:
How is the Vibrant questionable because there's a faster phone? Slap on Bionix or one of Eugene's ROMs and you'll have a flawless experience. My phone flies, benchmarks be damned, so what am I missing out on? Besides, neither of those new phones has this gorgeous screen, so meh.
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How can phones that come out after our phone possibly be faster and/or better? No way.. I thought once a great phone was released that manufacturers had to bow down with respect and release inferior product.

tjhart85 said:
But, just as with PCs, the second you bought it, it was already obsolete. This phone came out in what, July, it's been long enough that it shouldn't be top of the heap anymore & if you expected it to stay the best forever, you were wrong.
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Agreed. I'm happy with my phone as is and who honestly thought this phone or any other would remain on the tip top for long?
Sexy Vibrant featuring Sombionix 1.9.1, JAC's OC/UV, FFC installed

Benchmarks are everything and all...
Real world performance =/= benchmark performance and real world you'd be hard pressed to tell any difference between an SGS (when it finally has an optimized Froyo build), G2, mytouch hd etc.

Sdobron said:
Benchmarks are everything and all...
Real world performance =/= benchmark performance and real world you'd be hard pressed to tell any difference between an SGS (when it finally has an optimized Froyo build), G2, mytouch hd etc.
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I agree. Benchmark does in a way determine real world use. Benchmark tests the power of the CPU and GPU >> the power of the CPU and GPU determines the real world use.
Good CPU+GPU = Proud owner of vibrant

What benchmark is this? Galaxy S has highest score in Quandrant.
smartphonebenchmarks(dot)com

Vibrant has a super gorgeous 4" SAMOLED!!
We need more high quality 3D games. Even G2 or MyTouch HD/4G can't beat vibrant when it comes to the performance of 3D gaming.
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Vibrant owners with Nexus S chime in?

So how do you like your Nexus S vs Vibrant...How about a comparison?
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The nexus s is identical to the vibrant, but it has what everyone wants from their vibrant a good camera even in low light but with flash, and a new os : gingerbread 2.3, in hardware specs its almost identical, software and flash is where it gets better than the vibrant

Dont have one because the only thing it has over the Vibrant that i care about is Gingerbread. The camera flash isnt a big deal to me.

So far so good.
JIT actually works on GB quadrant CPU score is now on par with snapdragon
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9858387&postcount=1
I never had issues really with my vibrant GPS but notices quicker and more accurate locks haven't tested on road yet
Covering the bottom left corner on NS doesn't cause signal drop
Like the all around look of the NS doesn't have the cheap looking chrome the vibrant has and no more tmobile or samsung on the front just all black
and also has a rounder look making it look slightly smaller and more sleek along with curve glass
Took some getting use to unlocking and gaining root access but managed and also got clockwork recovery image flashed
Gingerbread is just fast and really snappy
that's about it for now
nothing really stands out in WOW factor its pretty much a vibrant with Google support.. And hopefully they port gingerbread to vibrant and hopefully its optimized to take full advantage of JIT because it makes a difference
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Tested on road and is very accurate and didn't run into any lost or spotty signal while navigating.
Probably due to the fact that they changed the cell and GPS antenna so they no longer interfere with one another like on my vibrant

Well my vibrants gps is perfect locks within 5 secs accurate compass works correctly and with the new google maps its faster, my vibrant being made recently 10-20 came with preinstalled ji6 which does fix the gps problems, as of now im happy with the vibrant just gonna wait till ota froyo comes which should be really soon, im done flashing custom roms they either made my gps worse or messed up my haptic vibrations ended up exchanging so many times at the tmobile store lol i took full advantage of my 14 day period i think i exchanged 2 vibrants got a G2 hated the G2 so horrible and back to another vibrant. Only thing the nexus really has over the vibrant for me is the flash and gingerbread, but i dont want gingerbread badly enough to sell my brand new vibrant due to froyo coming soon and theres no huge difference between 2.2 and 2.3 compared to 2.1 to 2.2

STi489 said:
So how do you like your Nexus S vs Vibrant...How about a comparison?
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Just got my Nexus S. The final straw for me was the fact that the official Samsung twitter is now saying that they "cannot pinpoint a date" for 2.2, yet they had previously been saying "by the end of the year." So they should be able to at least say by the 31st unless they were lying earlier. I have lost faith in them and will never buy a Samsung phone again unless it is a situation like the Nexus where they are not involved with OS/software.
Anyways, it is what you would expect. Basically a Galaxy S except without Samsung tainting the software and no restrictions of any kind. Samsung makes great hardware but, damn, they suck when it comes to supporting existing customers and software engineering. The camera is nice, though I hope that they add in support for HD video recording (which I'm sure it is capable of). Everything I have tried seems to be very fast and well optimized. I also like the small interface changes in 2.3. The phone actually feels a little heavier/thicker than the Vibrant to me, though it isn't in a bad way like the MT4G (which is ugly, too, IMO). External styling seems nice though not much different.
I'm happy. I got what I wanted: unmodified/unrestricted Android and not waiting forever (if ever) for updates.

demo23019 said:
So far so good.
JIT actually works on GB quadrant CPU score is now on par with snapdragon
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9858387&postcount=1
I never had issues really with my vibrant GPS but notices quicker and more accurate locks haven't tested on road yet
Covering the bottom left corner on NS doesn't cause signal drop
Like the all around look of the NS doesn't have the cheap looking chrome the vibrant has and no more tmobile or samsung on the front just all black
and also has a rounder look making it look slightly smaller and more sleek along with curve glass
Took some getting use to unlocking and gaining root access but managed and also got clockwork recovery image flashed
Gingerbread is just fast and really snappy
that's about it for now
nothing really stands out in WOW factor its pretty much a vibrant with Google support.. And hopefully they port gingerbread to vibrant and hopefully its optimized to take full advantage of JIT because it makes a difference
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Interesting the 3D doesn't score as well as the Galaxy S....
It also has relatively slow IO considering its EXT4 partitions.
edit: i guess the NS has an option that slowed the IO down, devs have 'fixed' it and its performing as you would expect..
Also think maybe its just a 2.3 problem with apps maybe causing the 3d scores? well see as time progresses.

ikevinnyii said:
The nexus s is identical to the vibrant, but it has what everyone wants from their vibrant a good camera even in low light but with flash, and a new os : gingerbread 2.3, in hardware specs its almost identical, software and flash is where it gets better than the vibrant
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the nexus s is NOT identical to the vibrant. i'm just saying.

tissimo said:
Interesting the 3D doesn't score as well as the Galaxy S....
It also has relatively slow IO considering its EXT4 partitions.
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Supercurio found that they missed a mounting option he already released a voodoo kernel that fixes it
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markatl84 said:
The camera is nice, though I hope that they add in support for HD video recording (which I'm sure it is capable of).
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I hate to break it to you, but that's a hardware limitation. They may be able to add 720p recording at something less than 30fps, but that's the best you can hope for.
http://twitter.com/supercurio/status/15023985871814656
@dnaltews Is VIdeo Capture 480p choice due to WebM codec limitations on this SoC? software compressor Maybe? @kangsterizer
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@supercurio clock rate limitation of the SoC. Galaxy uses an external image processing part as a work around. Not enough PCB space in N.S.
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I hate to break it to you, but that's a hardware limitation. They may be able to add 720p recording at something less than 30fps, but that's the best you can hope for.
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I don't fully understand what is being said in that twitter reply... so there is a hardware difference between the Vibrant and Nexus S that prevents HD recording? Seems strange that Google would downgrade the hardware in the S. Then again, they took out the SD slot.
Thanks

markatl84 said:
I don't fully understand what is being said in that twitter reply... so there is a hardware difference between the Vibrant and Nexus S that prevents HD recording? Seems strange that Google would downgrade the hardware in the S. Then again, they took out the SD slot.
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Basically, the Vibrant had an extra chip that assisted with video recording. There wasn't room for it in the Nexus S, so it won't be able to do 720p.

ikevinnyii said:
The nexus s is identical to the vibrant, but it has what everyone wants from their vibrant a good camera even in low light but with flash, and a new os : gingerbread 2.3, in hardware specs its almost identical, software and flash is where it gets better than the vibrant
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You don't quite grasp the meaning of the word "identical," do ya?
-bZj

Won't do 720p? We'll see.
Either way, the solid feel of the Nexus S makes the Vibrant feel so last year. The Nexus S is the most solid phone I've ever held.
Other than that, it FLIES out of the box. Oh and Gingerbread is hawttttttttttt
Don't say one negative thing about the Nexus S until you go personally hold it. You'll probably end up buying it within 3 seconds of grasping it's awesomeness first hand.

Anderdroid said:
Won't do 720p? We'll see.
Either way, the solid feel of the Nexus S makes the Vibrant feel so last year. The Nexus S is the most solid phone I've ever held.
Other than that, it FLIES out of the box. Oh and Gingerbread is hawttttttttttt
Don't say one negative thing about the Nexus S until you go personally hold it. You'll probably end up buying it within 3 seconds of grasping it's awesomeness first hand.
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I held one. See sigtag. Samaung build quality is nothing to rave about. NS feela cheepee than an HTC aria, and the only thing not last year about this phone is the os... At least for a couple of weeks.
Can care less about this phone. I want a 2.2 update for the one I paid for.
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Anderdroid said:
Won't do 720p? We'll see.
Either way, the solid feel of the Nexus S makes the Vibrant feel so last year. The Nexus S is the most solid phone I've ever held.
Other than that, it FLIES out of the box. Oh and Gingerbread is hawttttttttttt
Don't say one negative thing about the Nexus S until you go personally hold it. You'll probably end up buying it within 3 seconds of grasping it's awesomeness first hand.
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Appreciate the enthusiasm but that's a bit of an exaggeration, no?
From the Nexus S forums there seems to be a few people that aren't all that happy with their phones. Various FC's, spotty GPS, poor call quality. I'm seeing more complaints that I thought I would have.

vapotrini said:
From the Nexus S forums there seems to be a few people that aren't all that happy with their phones. Various FC's, spotty GPS, poor call quality. I'm seeing more complaints that I thought I would have.
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Are you unaware of the season? I know people expect their GPS to work underground but it doesn't ALWAYS work. That and Nexus owners have this sense of entitlement and ***** at the slightest problem as if battery pack just blew up when the battery meter jumps from 100 to 97 fresh off of the charger.
Thank Google for the FC's and poor call quality. Google has some type of noise compression that's software based. Of course, they're controlling the software which means it's supposed to be 100% awesome 100% of the time.

I held one in best buy, and while it is nicer then vibrant, its still nothing special. Gingerbread sucks, I have all gingerbread I need on my vibrant already, I don't really care about game optimization which was the main focus on Ginger. For me its a 50/50 betweeen upgrade and downgrade, the only problem is that its almost 600 bucks....
Hardware let me down, software let me down, maybe developers will surprise me.

vapotrini said:
Appreciate the enthusiasm but that's a bit of an exaggeration, no?
From the Nexus S forums there seems to be a few people that aren't all that happy with their phones. Various FC's, spotty GPS, poor call quality. I'm seeing more complaints that I thought I would have.
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Yea might have FC but thats because software isn't working with 2.3 and needs to be updated. This is the developers responsibility not Google...Gingerbread is perfect and run absolutely fine.
Also FYI you will always find people complaining about one thing or another doesn't matter how revolutionary and stable a product is...even more so when you dont actually have hands on experience and seems to be looking for as much negative things possible to justify your decision on not getting it
Give it time apparently cryogen team are working on porting to galaxy s
Also dont think im just trying to justify my purchase and will say anything because this isn't the case i still have my vibrant and have 14 days to return to get my money back....so far im keeping it
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Gingerbread sucks, I have all gingerbread I need on my vibrant already
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LOL gingerbread sucks but yet you want your vibrant to look like it BTW how that JIT optimization doing for you on your Gingerbread themed 2.2 that's running on rfs

demo23019 said:
LOL gingerbread sucks but yet you want your vibrant to look like it BTW how that JIT optimization doing for you on your Gingerbread themed 2.2 that's running on rfs
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I wanted to say that Gingerbread has very little to offer. It looks good, it has updated copy/paste, keyboard, and optimization for games. I have all those things and more (due to TouchWiz extras) except for optimization for games.....
And frankly speaking, Nero v1 (obviously with JIT) runs very fast and has zero FC.....and it only gets better day by day.
JIT has nothing to do with NS running a bit faster, its ext4. and even after that people are still reporting "laggy browser" in NS, which is THE ONLY issue I have with Vibrant right now.

To those who came from the evo...

What were your reasons for switching to the shift? I can deal with no hard keyboard and crap battery life, but was there a noticable difference in processor speed?
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The processor while only 800MHz vastly outperforms the 1GHz in the EVO. Also, since the CPU in the Shift is a 45nm processor it gets much, much battery life sitting on a stock configuration. Once we have perma-root and NAND unlock on this thing you'll be able to overclock it massively without much loss in the way of battery life. The GPU is also much better than the EVO's. This phone flies compared to the EVO at stock and even on CM or Myn's Warm 2.2.
I came from an EVO and haven't regretted it at all.

My things are that I am not a huge fan of the smaller screen...taller but not much wider than my hero...and I am a romaholic will it be ready to port evo roms or g2 roms to the shift?
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the5ifty said:
My things are that I am not a huge fan of the smaller screen...taller but not much wider than my hero...and I am a romaholic will it be ready to port evo roms or g2 roms to the shift?
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Until we get a perm root with nand unlock, the only thing folks can give you is speculation. Until said time, the answer would be "NO".

I know nothing can be done until perm root. Just wondering if there are enough similarities.
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The biggest most notable issue for me was the drastic change in screen size, its not a issue for me now though, as I consider the battery life to be an excellent compromise in place of the larger display. And I do notice a difference with the cpu when I'm playing dungeon defenders, gameboid, or need for speed shift. This phone also handles gt racing hd much more fluidly than my evo ever has. I do prefer reading books on the evo in a pinch/ whenever my kindle isn't within reach.
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I'm sorry i could not get past the drastic downgrade in screen size. Once you have had an evo.. a real evo, you cannot downgrade for a phone that has the potential to have a better battery duration, cpu, and gpu. You must understand that one of the leading factors as to why the evo's battery depletes so fast is because of the larger and might i add more beautiful screen. Until, they come out with a real evo shift with the same size (at least 4") screen with better battery life i will never switch to a lesser version of my phone.
note: I had a "evo" shift pre-ordered until i saw what it really was; a false association with the original evo in order to generate more revenue.

well thanks for not shifting lol

webguru4life said:
I'm sorry i could not get past the drastic downgrade in screen size. Once you have had an evo.. a real evo, you cannot downgrade for a phone that has the potential to have a better battery duration, cpu, and gpu. You must understand that one of the leading factors as to why the evo's battery depletes so fast is because of the larger and might i add more beautiful screen. Until, they come out with a real evo shift with the same size (at least 4") screen with better battery life i will never switch to a lesser version of my phone.
note: I had a "evo" shift pre-ordered until i saw what it really was; a false association with the original evo in order to generate more revenue.
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webguru4life said:
I'm sorry i could not get past the drastic downgrade in screen size. Once you have had an evo.. a real evo, you cannot downgrade for a phone that has the potential to have a better battery duration, cpu, and gpu. You must understand that one of the leading factors as to why the evo's battery depletes so fast is because of the larger and might i add more beautiful screen. Until, they come out with a real evo shift with the same size (at least 4") screen with better battery life i will never switch to a lesser version of my phone.
note: I had a "evo" shift pre-ordered until i saw what it really was; a false association with the original evo in order to generate more revenue.
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You do realize that sprint is making the "Evo" brand a line of 4G devices rather than just one, soon to be outdated model right?
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oboroninja said:
You do realize that sprint is making the "Evo" brand a line of 4G devices rather than just one, soon to be outdated model right?
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LOL he's a guru, of course he knows that, and he also knows that the Evo is superior to the Shift in performance...oh wait...

After removing a lot of the crapware in the phone and keeping stock apps that I will use, the shift is even more responsive than out of the box. I'm only keeping or installing apps that don't slow down the phone and ones I use everyday. I try to keep it lean and quick. I had my doubts in the beginning until I figured out some of my essential apps were slowing things down. I found smaller and quicker alternatives.
It is amazing how much quicker things run when I switched to adw ex, fast preset, turn off eye candy, use gingerbread theme and smaller filesize keyboards. Gingerkeyboard, Dr.ben0x keyboard, HTC ime mod with custom theme, battery notif all help with keeping my phone "speedy". Pun intended

I have an EVO, but my girlfriend will be purchasing an EVO in a week.
Anything I should pay special attention to?

kpoz said:
I have an EVO, but my girlfriend will be purchasing an EVO in a week.
Anything I should pay special attention to?
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you mean the shift?

so I think I am back to getting an evo with my upgrade on the first and hopefully there will be permanent root for the shift before my 30 days is up so I can just trade them...i need root and roms
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riggsandroid said:
LOL he's a guru, of course he knows that, and he also knows that the Evo is superior to the Shift in performance...oh wait...
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Lol I guess he didn't get that memo regarding the processor's performance...
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Lol I guess he didn't get that memo regarding the processor's performance...
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while webguru does come off sounding like a bonehead with all his "Real EVO" talk, I do own both phones and I'd say the performance of the Shift at 800mhz to be very similar to the EVO at 1ghz. This was comparing things like load up time and performance of web browsing, gaming (from emulators all the way up to extremely graphic intensive games (N.O.V.A., Asphalt5, etc.)) and video playback, as well as plain old UI fluidity. And to be perfectly honest there is no noticeable difference stock vs stock. We'll have to wait until root is achieved so we can see the true potential of the Shift but as it stands right now with stock configurations, you can't give much of an edge to the shift processor wise. You can post all the quadrant and smartbench scores you want but real world, both devices side by side simultaneously running the same programs, they run essentially identical. So pick your poison: Do you want a bigger screen...or a hardware keyboard. Both phones kick ass!
As likely as it is that the shift will gain root/overclocking, as it stands, Cyanogen on the EVO currently blows away the stock shift in my experience.

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while webguru does come off sounding like a bonehead with all his "Real EVO" talk, I do own both phones and I'd say the performance of the Shift at 800mhz to be very similar to the EVO at 1ghz. This was comparing things like load up time and performance of web browsing, gaming (from emulators all the way up to extremely graphic intensive games (N.O.V.A., Asphalt5, etc.)) and video playback, as well as plain old UI fluidity. And to be perfectly honest there is no noticeable difference stock vs stock. We'll have to wait until root is achieved so we can see the true potential of the Shift but as it stands right now with stock configurations, you can't give much of an edge to the shift processor wise. You can post all the quadrant and smartbench scores you want but real world, both devices side by side simultaneously running the same programs, they run essentially identical. So pick your poison: Do you want a bigger screen...or a hardware keyboard. Both phones kick ass!
As likely as it is that the shift will gain root/overclocking, as it stands, Cyanogen on the EVO currently blows away the stock shift in my experience.
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Try playing Dungeon Defenders, that game plays just awful on my Evo, wether I'm running RLS5, CM6.1, or MiUi, or any multitude of the available kernels that include HAVS,BFS, ect.It stutters hangs up sometimes while trying to navigate the menu, and you don't have to have a lot of enemies on the screen simultaneously for framerate to drop signifigantly to the point of being unplayable. On the Shift Dungeon Defenders is actually playable.
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I upgraded from my EVO, reason is I hate Touch keyboards, and Evo was a bit big in my pocket. CPU and GPU alot better on the Shift, battery life seems great even on stock rom. I switched back to using my EVO until a perm root and nand unlock is achieved and better roms are released. Phone is the perfect size to pocket carry and have a physical keyboard. Can't wait to overclock this sucker, Quadrant over 1500 running stock, gotta love that!

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Try playing Dungeon Defenders, that game plays just awful on my Evo, wether I'm running RLS5, CM6.1, or MiUi, or any multitude of the available kernels that include HAVS,BFS, ect.It stutters hangs up sometimes while trying to navigate the menu, and you don't have to have a lot of enemies on the screen simultaneously for framerate to drop signifigantly to the point of being unplayable. On the Shift Dungeon Defenders is actually playable.
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Thanks I'll give it a shot, I've been tempted to try out DD. I certainly wasn't trying to say the EVO and Shift are identical performance wise in all situations or will be in the future, I tried to use the words "as it stands" and "essentially" because I was just sharing my overall experience as of right now which is that for 99% of applications available (except Dungeon Defenders apparently lol) as well as core OS apps, the performance of the EVO is extremely similar to that of the Shift. It'll be interesting to see how well the shift holds up in the future as games become more and more complex, hopefully they dont all start requiring Tegra2 too soon but as far as non-600MB (!!! as I just discovered now when trying to download DD, holy crap!) tegra2-tailored games and applications, the EVO can pretty much go blow for blow.

[Q] Atrix or Nexus S or wait for galaxy s2?

Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.

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Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I've had a nexus s and it does not lag at all, neither does my atrix. Single core or dual core it doesn't seem to make a difference to me. In my experience the atrix has better battery life. As far as the screens go that's a matter of opinion, the samoled seems more vibrant but is utterly useless in sunlight. As much as I hate BLUR, I chose the atrix over the nexus s and once we have an AOSP Rom I will have no regrets whatsoever.
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Thewalrus0034 said:
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I had the nexus s, it wasn't much of an improvement over my custom rommed Captivate, so I took it back. I was also looking forward to the Galaxy S2's release in America, until I got Gingerbread on my Atrix. There is no way the GS2 will be a substantial improvement over my Atrix now.
The Motorola Atrix was voted as the best phone at CES, and with Gingerbread it lives up to those accolades. Froyo and the ridiculous price of the lapdock killed this phone's initial release.
Take a look at the top results on Smartbench 2011, there is a reason Samsung delayed the GS2's release and overclocked it to 1.2ghz. Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.

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Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.
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So will the battery life lol

Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.

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Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.
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I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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RogerPodacter said:
I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.

I had nexus so and atrix together for two weeks. There is major performance difference between the two. Nexus s's 512 mb ram was the deal breaker for me, it was not enough. I think I'm spoiled by the 1gb ram.
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If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.
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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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I really like my Atrix, but I would wait and see what the next Nexus phone will bring.

Atrix ftw, i think its best phone so far for me

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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)

I own both and I prefer the Atrix.
With an AOSP ROM this phone will scream.
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Thewalrus0034 said:
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I would stay away from the Nexus S. Ya, it's Raw Goog but the sub-par RAM, single core chip and cheap plastic construction just aren't worth it especially on a new contract.
I'm loving my Atrix on GB, rooted, de-blurred (Titanium freeze) and running Go Launcher EX. I experience no lag, web browser is lighting fast, GPS is the best I've experienced from a phone. That's my experience and opinion. Considering the timing of your upgrade I would suggest checking the SG2 out as it may be more to your liking. Some people like Sammy HW some don't (I personally hate it, especially their damn "Chin" design philosophy).
That said, you cannot go wrong with the Atrix, it's an excellent phone. I traded in my Inspire 4G at a loss and don't regret my decision one bit.
Oh, and DL/UL speed in Houston, TX I've been averaging 3.5mb down (6 max) and 1.3mb up (2.1 max). Inspire 4G never made it over 2.5 down (1 Ghz. w/ 768mb RAM). Atrix is on par with my friend's EVO 4G (Sprint WiMax, he avgs 2-3 but has a max he's gotten of 7 once) and another friend's T-Bolt (Verizon LTE, 5-6 avg and a max of 8). And yes processor and RAM do affect your up/down as it's partially determined by the amount of data your phone can process, another reason to stay away from the S at this point.

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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)
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Might have been my thread. I apologize, but I was wrong. Even tough performance has increased substantially (from 8-10 fps to an average of 24) when playing high profile h.264, it still isnt perfectly smooth and, for some reason, the episodes of Game of Thrones were mute for me, which indicates a continuing lack of support to audio codecs. After converting it with the Handbrake method, it worked flawlessly.
@OP
The Atrix and the SGS2 have different offerings. SGS2 has a standardly overclocked processor, a bigger, brighter screen, less weight, and a GPU accelerated browser. The Atrix has a much higher pixel density, better battery life, and a specialized game store (Nvidia Tegra Zone which, despite the lack of titles in numbers, the ones it DOES have possess highly improved graphics over standard versions).
And for many of us, it has a lapdock, which is a perfect netbook replacement if all you do is work with word, excel, and light web browsing, being lighter and having better battery life than many netbooks. Its also fun like hell to play at customizing it

I like the overall build with the Motorola Atrix, but without the GPU accelerated and NEON support, would I be at a significant hardware disadvantage for everyday use? I feel I wouldn't. Also, any complaints about the screen?

Okay. Opera provides a gpu accelerated browser that is blazing fast. The screen is really nice, but you may notice grainy greens.
Edit: oh, neon support isn't an issue, at least for me. Most of my videos can be played using moboplayer.
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The atrix also is not sized like a giant brick but weighing like a feather toy (the #1 reason I didn't go for the SGS2). Form factor wins for me. Not to mention in Australia, atrix is 150-200 dollars cheaper.
I would say though with froyo it is noticeably inferior. But that's no longer an issue, whether stock or unlock BL/custom ROM.

If you want a big screen and fast phone....sgs2, if you want sething new and try some mods atrix, if yu are a hard modder HD2
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Now that there's actual photos of the AT&T galaxy family, would anyone consider it a superior choice? I kinda like the idea of a physical keyboard but I'm used to portrait like on my blackberry.