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So I tested out a G2 today...

This phone is freakin fast! I know it's running froyo, but this beast got 29 mflops without any mods at all! Everything I did with it was instant response..no pause for anything at all and it was only on edge. When I got my vibrant, the G2 was still a month away. Anyone think the Vibrant will get anywhere near those numbers when it goes to Froyo. (I'm a benchmark whore, so this is really bugging me )
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Benchmarks are like horsepower, it is only as good as what you can use and anything more is just tire smoke and noise.... see lotus vs viper...

The vibrant doesn't support the neon instruction set, so no. Even when froyo comes out it will not reach those numbers.
On the other hand we have the best gpu on a phone yet.
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g1ftmfw said:
Benchmarks are like horsepower, it is only as good as what you can use and anything more is just tire smoke and noise.... see lotus vs viper...
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perfect example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uG9Afp6fy0

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perfect example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uG9Afp6fy0
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That was freakin' hilarious...point proven. Btw...never even heard of the neon instruction set. Having the best gpu is only as good as the games it plays...which is not very good right now. I hope some big name developers get working on it.
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My wife just got her g2 and honestly is very laggy compare to my vibrant and am still running stock with no lag fixes I was very surprise
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The thing is, the Vibrant is fast enough to handle any current iteration of Android. I'm using Bionix 1.8 overclocked, and I don't see what any additional speed would do for me. Faster benchmarks would be nice, but it's irrelevant to day to day use.

briankao1992 said:
perfect example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uG9Afp6fy0
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my point exactly... 8x the power and 1/3 the weight only 11 mph faster... lol

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perfect example:
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entertaining video

oldarney said:
The vibrant doesn't support the neon instruction set, so no. Even when froyo comes out it will not reach those numbers.
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really ? I thought it did because it can play all those HD videos even without converting

Before the Nexus One got Froyo, it was in the ballpark of 7 MFLOPS. Once the update rolled out, we began to see Linpack scores in the realm of 45 MFLOPS. In its stock form, a Samsung Vibrant gets about 8 MFLOPS. I have no doubt in a dramatic increase for this number once we get Froyo (expecially if you like to use custom kernals and whatnot).

The Thing About That Is Froyo Is Pretty Much Designed For Snapdragon Processors, The Hummingbird Processor Is Completely Different It Works, But It's Not Optimized For It
At Least Thats What I've Heard

i would like to see how our phones would run with:
Froyo+custom rom which includes: modified kernel, lagfix

ryan562 said:
i would like to see how our phones would run with:
Froyo+custom rom which includes: modified kernel, lagfix
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I thought froyo was supposed to get rid of the lag therefore we wouldn't need a lag fix.

i had the evo at first. was getting about 6 or 7 mflops per second on 2.1. they dropped froyo, and i bumped up to about 38 or 39. i got the g2 on october 3rd from the shack. loved the phone. yes, fast straight out of the box. was getting about 29 to 30 with it, but with its weight, the loose hinge, the crap htc pulled with making it supposedly, unrootable, and a few other issues, i took it back after a week, and went back to the vibrant. there are a few issues with its lag, but i just install a different launcher, take away the animation settings, and my vibe feels like one of the other two phones i mentioned. just my .02.

Erickomen27 said:
The Thing About That Is Froyo Is Pretty Much Designed For Snapdragon Processors, The Hummingbird Processor Is Completely Different It Works, But It's Not Optimized For It
At Least Thats What I've Heard
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Actually, it has nothing to do with snapdragon, and everything to do with the optimisation they did to the whole OS. FroYo brings little to the table feature wise, but they did a lot of work with optimisation of the core OS.
Also, Can You Not Capitalise Every Word. It Looks Ugly, Makes It Hard To Read, And Isn't Proper Grammar.

ryan562 said:
i would like to see how our phones would run with:
Froyo+custom rom which includes: modified kernel, lagfix
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I'd be scared. I think my vibrant would be more vibrant than me.
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Vibrant on balance still the best
the others are right Benchmarks are for wow factor really.
A couple of examples ........... My friend's compter have a I7 980 chip in their computer and Wow... it benches 20% faster than My AMD 1090 But........ when actually using the computers doing the same real life tasks, mine is way faster because all the components are better balanced. That said i have 32 gigs of ram in my desktop and only have two programs that recognize that much ram........ so i will have to wait 4 years for software to catch up......NOW that extra ram is a waste...right now but it does wow the benchmark on the ram.
Bottom line the glitz (benchmarks) are just that........ Glitz...... Love the vibrant Have not seen a better phone to date

If your looking for good games to take advantage of the gpu, try the gameloft website. Sandstorm is one I'm currently pounding.
There's currently a sort of war between gameloft and the android market.
My wifi's name is airorangex.
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The G2 is not just fast in benchmarks. It just smokes the Vibrant. Everything is super fast. Whenever I install multiple apps from the Market, the Vibrant just hangs after 2-3. And during the installation stage. After I got the G2, I used App Brain to set up all the Apps on my Vibrant on to the G2. It kept on installing the apps one after another without breaking into a sweat. There is practically no lag at all on the phone. It's a very impressive phone.
Now having said that, like the other poster, I'll be returning the G2 for the same reasons. After getting used to the Vibrant, the weight is too heavy. The hinge is most definitely a problem. Lying on the bed with the phone in your hand, it keeps closing. And HTC's attempt to prevent rooting pissed me off. But Samsung is pissing me off as well with their lack of communication and delay in getting Froyo out. Sadly the dev community is not making as much progress as I had hoped with the world wide launch of the Galaxy S. I might take a look at the G2 again in a couple of months if the mod situation does not improve and Samsung continues to drag its feet.

Did anyone come from an Epic 4g?

My lil brother wants to get an evo shift when his upgrade is due. He's not real tech savvy like me( he could care less), but I am. I have an epic, so I want to know, if anyone came from an Epic 4g to the shift, how do they compare? Thanks in advance.
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zanderman112 said:
My lil brother wants to get an evo shift when his upgrade is due. He's not real tech savvy like me( he could care less), but I am. I have an epic, so I want to know, if anyone came from an Epic 4g to the shift, how do they compare? Thanks in advance.
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I think there are one or two threads on this already try going back a page or two or doing a search
powered by the tears of a million orphaned alpacas...

Kind of a Sense vs Touchwiz decision. The software on the Shift in my opinion is much more refined and polished. Of couse that changes if you have a custom launcher.
The keyboard on the Shift is much better. The phone feels much more solid than the Epic. My Epic has a gap between the keys and the screen so when pressing the screen you hear a click. This isn't an issue on my Shift.
Camera/screen are both better on the Epic. The quality of the Epics screen in my opinion is unmatched by any phone currently.
Front facing camera on Epic....none on the Shift.
Speed differences are nonexistent. Both phones run quick on stock. Real life use you won't notice a big difference.
Gaming....Epic wins. If you guys are looking to do any heavy gaming the Epic is the better option.
Battery life...kind of a toss up. I feel my Shift goes a little longer but I've also read complaints. Although I do use my Epic as my mp3 player during the day.
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Why do you say the Epic is better with games? Benchmarks for the shift hit 1200 on 2.2 while benchmarks for the Epic hit 900 on 2.1

kingdruid said:
Why do you say the Epic is better with games? Benchmarks for the shift hit 1200 on 2.2 while benchmarks for the Epic hit 900 on 2.1
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Benchmarks aren't accurate. They're mostly built for qualcomm processors. Besides they are just numbers. Its real life usage that counts.
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zanderman112 said:
Benchmarks aren't accurate. They're mostly built for qualcomm processors. Besides they are just numbers. Its real life usage that counts.
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We really need someone to run a game side by side on the epic and on the shift. From there we can tell how they will perform, but the higher benchmark number+ flash support on the GPU tells me the shift has the better GPU.

kingdruid said:
We really need someone to run a game side by side on the epic and on the shift. From there we can tell how they will perform, but the higher benchmark number+ flash support on the GPU tells me the shift has the better GPU.
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After I put 2.2 on and rooted my room mate's epic it destroyed my shift in terms of FPS on quadrant, even though it resulted in a lower overall number at the end. The GPU definitely seems to be much more powerful on the epic.
however, my shift feels much more responsive to the touch and interaction with the phone seems sharper and smoother.
The keyboard is better on the shift in terms of quality and physicality, but its lack of a permanent number row can be mildly annoying.

Also, if you really are concerned with quadrant/benchmark scores then an Epic running a 2.2 custom froyo rom, such as bonsai v2.x can score as high as 21-2200 scores on quadrant. The reason the epic gets a 900 on stock 2.1 is mainly due to samsungs use of their proprietary filesystem RFS instead of a linux fs like ext2/3/4. Once upgraded to a better fs, the epic spanks the evo and shift insofar as benchmarks are concerned. However when it comes to looks, feel, ui, etc. that's a different story.
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kingdruid said:
We really need someone to run a game side by side on the epic and on the shift. From there we can tell how they will perform, but the higher benchmark number+ flash support on the GPU tells me the shift has the better GPU.
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The GPU of the Epic is definitely more to the task of gaming than that of the EVO Shift. I understand that overclocked Shifts are doing very well in productivity, but the overclocking does not boost the GPU performance enough to overtake the Epic’s capabilities.
I believe the overall feel of the Shift to be much better than the Epic. Build quality is superior, keyboard feel is better and overall size is more convenient. The Epic is fast and does have a great display. The battery life after having both for a while ended up leaning towards the Epic for me.

[Q] Thinking of moving fro captivate to a Desire Z/G2

I'm thinking about selling my Captivate for a Desire Z/G2
cause swype though its awesome is sometimes really annoying to use when I'm on chat or editing documents on the go.... i do lots of typing
convince me....
Pros and Cons of moving from captivate
Pros:
Physical Keyboard
same resolution (800x480)
Native Froyo without screwing with custom ROMs
GPS that works
Cons
3.7" screen
Not a Super-Amoled screen
less powerful SoC

Lol I think your own pros outweigh the cons already. My friend is using a captivate that he had me root it the other day and I gotta say that there's a huge difference in overall feel. When you tweak the g2/vision/dz (whatever you wanna call it) it feels buttery smooth. Even though it already was pretty smooth on stock.
Recently I switched to de-odexed stock which looks and feels like stock but gives me a little boost in speed. I have to say I am a big fan of the developer work that has gone into maximizing this phones potential without totally making it feel like something different than what htc intended. Other than software optimization, the physical feel is pretty solid. Its a bit heavy but the hardware inside makes it well worth it. Not trying to bash other devices but I feel the g2/vision/dz is not only a great device but in some aspects, it sets the bar for todays smartphone.
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My G2 gets much better battery life than my sister-in-law's Vibrant. I average two days of moderately heavy use. She barely ekes out one.
Not sure how the Adreno 205 stacks up to the Hummingbird's GPU, but I never experience lag in Dungeon Defenders.
Build quality is better on the G2 as well.
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dietotherhythm said:
Lol I think your own pros outweigh the cons already. My friend is using a captivate that he had me root it the other day and I gotta say that there's a huge difference in overall feel. When you tweak the g2/vision/dz (whatever you wanna call it) it feels buttery smooth. Even though it already was pretty smooth on stock.
Recently I switched to de-odexed stock which looks and feels like stock but gives me a little boost in speed. I have to say I am a big fan of the developer work that has gone into maximizing this phones potential without totally making it feel like something different than what htc intended. Other than software optimization, the physical feel is pretty solid. Its a bit heavy but the hardware inside makes it well worth it. Not trying to bash other devices but I feel the g2/vision/dz is not only a great device but in some aspects, it sets the bar for todays smartphone.
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how about overclocking and such? i've heard you can do it for the desire?
how is the screen and such? The keyboard is mainly the main reason that i'm kinda looking for this downgrade
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My G2 gets much better battery life than my sister-in-law's Vibrant. I average two days of moderately heavy use. She barely ekes out one.
Not sure how the Adreno 205 stacks up to the Hummingbird's GPU, but I never experience lag in Dungeon Defenders.
Build quality is better on the G2 as well.
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is the SoC inside the HTC desire z/G2 the same as in the Desire HD?
thanks all

well most every device has overclock development but the g2/dz has the highest overclock capability yeet.
It's stock 800mhz but it's a second generation processor which blows away all the first gen 1ghz before it. I have the 1.8ghz kernel currently so I am capable of that much but only use it when doing heavy work loads or testing stability. I also wrote a guide to flashing the 1.8ghz and 1.9ghz overclocking kernels for people who are new to adb in general. Some users have even been able to hit a solid 2.0ghz, most everything over 1.8ghz is much too unstable for regular use.

Hey,
Just wanted to chime in; my friend has the Vibrant and is constantly complaining about the lack of working gps. It's a function that all Vibrant/Captivate/Fascinate owners bought but is lacking whether it be due to software or hardware. He is flashing a new "improved" rom every 2-3 days trying to find the perfect one that will give him good reception/gps.
With the DZ/Vision/G2, the only real con is the "loose" hinge. IMO, it's not that loose on mine but as with anything, you're mileage may vary. As it was stated before, the DZ/Vision/G2 has the second generation Snapdragon, which is clocked lower than the first generation 1GHz, but is much better in the power-to-performance ratio. I wouldn't be turned off by the 800MHz because once you have root and all that jazz, you can easily overclock to that 1GHz level at the minimum. I am sure once you get to that point, you will blow any Hummingbird equipped phone out of the water.
You really can't beat the physical keyboard either
Regards.

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is the SoC inside the HTC desire z/G2 the same as in the Desire HD?
thanks all
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Desire HD has the same Adreno 205 GPU and basically a overclocked version of our CPU. The CPU difference doesnt matter though since you can overclock the Desire Z/G2 easily. At the same cpu frequencies they perform similarly. The Desire HD does have more RAM though.
The only advantages of a Captivate over the Desire Z/G2:
GPU: PowerVR SGX540 is a absolute beast, still the best GPU out there right now imo. Just look at the benchmarks of the Nexus S.
Screen: SAMOLED

I recently sold (or am selling, it's on ebay now) my Vibrant for a G2 and I am very please. Like you I do a lot of typing and there's simply no substitute for a physical keyboard. The G2 is just as snappy as my Vibrant was (rooted with Bionix), but I do notice a slight decrease in graphics quality in games, but probably only noticeable because I used the two phones back to back for a short time. I saw go for it.

G2. The mytouch4g is nice as well. I have both.
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get the G2 man depending on what rom you have (if any) you can get excellent battery life. it took me hours to kill the battery with high brightness settings, music use, web use, and gps on. the physical keyboard is just great for typing a lot and for simple replies you can use swype. overall it's a reliable phone

I'm contemplating on the exact same thing, EXCEPT...
1) I can't justify paying 560-ish for the desire z,
2) G2 is $440, but I will be restricted to 2G since I'm stuck on ATT for various reasons.
I was trying to read around but I couldn't really find exact answers to my queries; maybe some of you might know.
Over 2G, will I still be able to send MMS on the G2? I noticed on my captivate, whenever I send pictures that are 1200 kb, the phone automatically downsizes them to about 88kb or so before sending. Will pictures even send at all on edge?
Without 3G, will it affect aGPS?
Other than that, I never even use my phone for browsing or streaming over 3G. Should I settle for a G2 or just suck it up and pay for a Desire Z?

I'd recommend saving up a little more and spending it on the desire z and/or waiting it out for a good deal. Paying over 20 dollars a month for edge simply isn't worth it.

Hey,
You should look at some of the used markets in your area. I know there are some DZ/G2's for sale around my area (Canada) for about $400CAD. These are naturally locked but you could always sim unlock it yourself for free.

Epic vs shift?

My upgrade comes through on March 1st.. I've looked into each of these phones with great detail. This is what I've come up with in a nutshell. And I want everyone's professional opinion as ill be using this phone for a year or two.. thx guys and gals..(is there a girl on xda yet? ;p)
Stock pros of shift: pocket friendly, higher quality exterior, possibly more support on xda, I heart HTC.
Stock pros of epic 4g: better battery life, amoled screen, front facing camera, video card for twice the gaming potential
Both are 99.00 on Amazon with upgrade eligibility (so is the evo, but I don't need a tablet just yet, 4" is quite enough for me) .. I use sprint im not switching its cheap.. I'd rather have a steak then slightly improved cell service. I have wifi at home anyways..
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My wife has a shift and I have an Epic. Her phone is more stable and her camera takes noticeably better pictures. The keyboard is also better on the shift as sometimes the keys skip on the Epic. As far as froyo is concerned it is much more stable on the Shift as well.
When on the shift section of xda I noticed a lot of people got the phone for their wives and not for themselves. They say games don't run as smoothe on the shift such as psx rom.games. and there is no phone on the market that I've layed my hands on that has a prettier screen than the epic. The colors are just plain and simply better. The phone isn't the eye catcher the epic is
I would go personally with the Epic in hopes of sprint and Samsung getting their act together and fixing the numerous bugs that are associated with it. You'll definetely have a love hate relationship with the epic but I believe in the long run you'll be better off with it.
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At this point id say wait for the next round of phones as there'll be dual core options. Also, my gil has the evo and i the epic and they are about the same size overall, not too much difference.
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jirafabo said:
At this point id say wait for the next round of phones as there'll be dual core options. Also, my gil has the evo and i the epic and they are about the same size overall, not too much difference.
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If you can wait for the next round of phones I would, since they'll probably be out this summer. If you can't, the Epic is a good phone. I'm currently on EB 13 and I did a fresh install and then loaded all of my apps manually. There's still problems with the sport mode in the camera, Time without signal (TWS) being high unless you do the airplane mode toggle, and the camcorder being a little sluggish in low light. These aren't deal breakers for me, because I don't really use the phone for low light recordings or sport mode and I'm fine toggling the airplane mode. However, it would be nice to have this fixed. I haven't experienced any of the other bugs people have claimed, so I'm still very happy with the performance of EB 13, but I'm not holding my breath for a fix. I mainly stay on EB 13 because the battery life for me is drastically better than 2.1 and the performance is no worst than 2.1. The screen is a lot better as well.
Like I said before, I hope they fix the problems, but I wouldn't buy a phone assuming they will......

IMO, it all boils down to this..
If you want a KB, get the Epic, if you don't get the EVO
The EVO shift is simply not a high end phone, no matter how it was marketed.
It is not a matter of speed, but just a lack of to many high end features.

I would really say it boils down to you really wanting to mod it I have an epic and I've been pretty happy with having it rommed to froyo until. Although some of the hardware glitches or software do kinda get annoying. I still think it's pretty descent.
The shift I'm assuming is a descent phone as well and I heard the keyboard is way better then epic, so it really comes down to preference I really think.
Best advice I can say is go to the sprint store and play with both of them for about 30 minutes, like literally 30 minutes.

I own both. Epic has a nicer screen and is faster for games. Shift seems to be better for literally everything else.
But if you like to tweak endlessly, Epic may be more your speed.

Epic by a gazillian times. The screen is simply amazing! And the gpu screams. Along froyo with ext filesystem, it even beats the super dual core tegra Atrix phone. Trust me... Epic is hands down best. I owned a Evo and a shift. Both underperform compared to Epic.

Thanks a lot guys after reading I think I may just wait for next row of phones.. when do you think they'll come out?
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Brah the epic is a MAN PHONE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UB2DtU0UOo
The shift is something I would recommend to my grandma. though i wouldn't recommend a android phone to any tech impaired person( as my grandma is, fuuuu dont even get me started.)

From what it seems, the Shift is a less expensive/toned-down alternative to the Epic and Evo. So you're more or less comparing two differently classed phones.
Also, I love the keyboard on the epic. It's very roomy and comfortable, especially with its five rows. Plus, the Super AMOLED screen is gorgeous and a serious selling point. And regarding support on XDA, the Epic has nearly 10 times more threads and posts in each sub-forum.
I've never actually owned a Shift, but just from the numbers it seems the Epic is a much better deal, especially since they are the same price on Amazon. But waiting for Sprint's next lineup of Android phones seems like a good choice as well.

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There's still problems with the sport mode in the camera... and the camcorder being a little sluggish in low light.
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Not sure if it makes a difference to you or not, but thete is now a fix fir the cameta issues in eb13. Keepin' the faith that sprint will release a more stable update soon. In the mean time get the epic and trust in the great devs we have here.
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Gersonian said:
Not sure if it makes a difference to you or not, but thete is now a fix fir the cameta issues in eb13. Keepin' the faith that sprint will release a more stable update soon. In the mean time get the epic and trust in the great devs we have here.
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Lol screw samsung and sprint for updates. Devs for the win.
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Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone..
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From what it seems, the Shift is a less expensive/toned-down alternative to the Epic and Evo. So you're more or less comparing two differently classed phones.
Also, I love the keyboard on the epic. It's very roomy and comfortable, especially with its five rows. Plus, the Super AMOLED screen is gorgeous and a serious selling point. And regarding support on XDA, the Epic has nearly 10 times more threads and posts in each sub-forum.
I've never actually owned a Shift, but just from the numbers it seems the Epic is a much better deal, especially since they are the same price on Amazon. But waiting for Sprint's next lineup of Android phones seems like a good choice as well.
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Heavy
I've had the Epic and the Evo, not the Shift tho. But I've played with the Shift for a while and one thing that surprises me is HOW HEAVY it is! For the weight difference, I'd almost just get the Epic. Regardless... if you want a billion ROM's that's hard to decipher and just really be confused most of the time, get an HTC. Tho, I will say their stock ROM's hand Samy's rear to them. The build quality on all three phones I would say are on par with each other.
The GPS on the Evo is AMAZING! I ALWAYS get a quick lock (within 5-10 seconds of opening up maps), and after 15-20 seconds, it's accurate to 3m (9 feet!), the Epic, not so much. After about 30 seconds, it'd lock, and only be accurate to 20m (60 feet!?!). As for using navigation on the phone, again, I would buy a garmin or tom-tom before I'd use the Epic's navigation.
Bottom line, yeah, if you need a phone that just works, any HTC is the way to go. BUT, the screen, size of keyboard, how good it plays games, did I mention the screen quality? are unmatched on the Epic. Hardware-wise (beyond maybe the GPS), the Epic is unbeaten.
noskoviak said:
Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone..
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The answers to all of your questions in this thread. A very nice debate between some of us hardware nuts. (I won. )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907182

noskoviak said:
Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone..
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Untrue. Stop using Quadrant and Linpack (outdated benchmarks that are optimized for Snapdragon) and you'll see that it is simply not the case.
MHz for MHz, the Qualcomm MSM SoCs are slightly more powerful than the Hummingbird, but at 800 MHz they still fall behind the 1 GHz S5PC110.

I was using smartbench what do u think of that one?
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I got the shift by the way... and I'm am loving it. Superior device imo.
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Shift is good, but the epic is on a whole other level, in terms of hardware. Stock the shift has the better software, but if your going to mod your phone with some of the awesome xda dev software.......that's where you'll see what I mean by being on a whole other level. Don't wait to long to trade your new shift in and get a real upgrade

[Q] Atrix or Nexus S or wait for galaxy s2?

Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.

Thewalrus0034 said:
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I've had a nexus s and it does not lag at all, neither does my atrix. Single core or dual core it doesn't seem to make a difference to me. In my experience the atrix has better battery life. As far as the screens go that's a matter of opinion, the samoled seems more vibrant but is utterly useless in sunlight. As much as I hate BLUR, I chose the atrix over the nexus s and once we have an AOSP Rom I will have no regrets whatsoever.
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Thewalrus0034 said:
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I had the nexus s, it wasn't much of an improvement over my custom rommed Captivate, so I took it back. I was also looking forward to the Galaxy S2's release in America, until I got Gingerbread on my Atrix. There is no way the GS2 will be a substantial improvement over my Atrix now.
The Motorola Atrix was voted as the best phone at CES, and with Gingerbread it lives up to those accolades. Froyo and the ridiculous price of the lapdock killed this phone's initial release.
Take a look at the top results on Smartbench 2011, there is a reason Samsung delayed the GS2's release and overclocked it to 1.2ghz. Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.

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Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.
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So will the battery life lol

Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.

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Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.
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I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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RogerPodacter said:
I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.

I had nexus so and atrix together for two weeks. There is major performance difference between the two. Nexus s's 512 mb ram was the deal breaker for me, it was not enough. I think I'm spoiled by the 1gb ram.
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If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.
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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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I really like my Atrix, but I would wait and see what the next Nexus phone will bring.

Atrix ftw, i think its best phone so far for me

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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)

I own both and I prefer the Atrix.
With an AOSP ROM this phone will scream.
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Thewalrus0034 said:
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I would stay away from the Nexus S. Ya, it's Raw Goog but the sub-par RAM, single core chip and cheap plastic construction just aren't worth it especially on a new contract.
I'm loving my Atrix on GB, rooted, de-blurred (Titanium freeze) and running Go Launcher EX. I experience no lag, web browser is lighting fast, GPS is the best I've experienced from a phone. That's my experience and opinion. Considering the timing of your upgrade I would suggest checking the SG2 out as it may be more to your liking. Some people like Sammy HW some don't (I personally hate it, especially their damn "Chin" design philosophy).
That said, you cannot go wrong with the Atrix, it's an excellent phone. I traded in my Inspire 4G at a loss and don't regret my decision one bit.
Oh, and DL/UL speed in Houston, TX I've been averaging 3.5mb down (6 max) and 1.3mb up (2.1 max). Inspire 4G never made it over 2.5 down (1 Ghz. w/ 768mb RAM). Atrix is on par with my friend's EVO 4G (Sprint WiMax, he avgs 2-3 but has a max he's gotten of 7 once) and another friend's T-Bolt (Verizon LTE, 5-6 avg and a max of 8). And yes processor and RAM do affect your up/down as it's partially determined by the amount of data your phone can process, another reason to stay away from the S at this point.

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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)
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Might have been my thread. I apologize, but I was wrong. Even tough performance has increased substantially (from 8-10 fps to an average of 24) when playing high profile h.264, it still isnt perfectly smooth and, for some reason, the episodes of Game of Thrones were mute for me, which indicates a continuing lack of support to audio codecs. After converting it with the Handbrake method, it worked flawlessly.
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The Atrix and the SGS2 have different offerings. SGS2 has a standardly overclocked processor, a bigger, brighter screen, less weight, and a GPU accelerated browser. The Atrix has a much higher pixel density, better battery life, and a specialized game store (Nvidia Tegra Zone which, despite the lack of titles in numbers, the ones it DOES have possess highly improved graphics over standard versions).
And for many of us, it has a lapdock, which is a perfect netbook replacement if all you do is work with word, excel, and light web browsing, being lighter and having better battery life than many netbooks. Its also fun like hell to play at customizing it

I like the overall build with the Motorola Atrix, but without the GPU accelerated and NEON support, would I be at a significant hardware disadvantage for everyday use? I feel I wouldn't. Also, any complaints about the screen?

Okay. Opera provides a gpu accelerated browser that is blazing fast. The screen is really nice, but you may notice grainy greens.
Edit: oh, neon support isn't an issue, at least for me. Most of my videos can be played using moboplayer.
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The atrix also is not sized like a giant brick but weighing like a feather toy (the #1 reason I didn't go for the SGS2). Form factor wins for me. Not to mention in Australia, atrix is 150-200 dollars cheaper.
I would say though with froyo it is noticeably inferior. But that's no longer an issue, whether stock or unlock BL/custom ROM.

If you want a big screen and fast phone....sgs2, if you want sething new and try some mods atrix, if yu are a hard modder HD2
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Now that there's actual photos of the AT&T galaxy family, would anyone consider it a superior choice? I kinda like the idea of a physical keyboard but I'm used to portrait like on my blackberry.