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Is it too early to want Froyo on this puppy?!!!!!

Coming from a Nexus One i can truly say that i appreciate the efforts made by samsung. I love the design (real iphone 3g/3gs knockoff), its minimalistic and doesnt take away from the beautiful screen. The fact that i can put as many apps as i want on this bad boy is amazing as well. Touchwiz is different that other Android offerings and i will just leave it at that (i like it, not love but like ). The graphics chip is top notch!! The touch screen sensitivity and smoothness of pinch/zoom is on par with the iphone and kills the Nexus One in that area by a long shot!!!!
Now for the bad
It lags at times where my Nexus wouldnt even skip a beat and i think it has a lot to do with eclair vs froyo. the JIT compiler in froyo fixes a lot of the lag issues and make the phone run like it should.
I hope that samsung makes good on their statement (quickly) that froyo is coming!!
I would love to hear any thoughts and experiences from fellow users. And no i am not bashing the Vibrant....i think it is a beautiful device but froyo would make it the best device out there hands down!!!

tarusdg said:
I would love to hear any thoughts and experiences from fellow users. And no i am not bashing the Vibrant....i think it is a beautiful device but froyo would make it the best device out there hands down!!!
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I am coming from a G1 running cm5.0.8, so I don't see any lag, at least not by comparison. But based on the benchmarks I have seen for devices like the N1 the jump to 2.2 is huge in terms of performance.

I have read a lot about lagging and other problems. I have not experienced any of these problems, and I'm on my phone for most of the day. I wanted a N1 too, but when I saw the Vibrant and it's specs I just had to wait for it.
I agree though, when 2.2 hits the Vibrant, this maybe the best phone available.

Lets just hope Froyo for this will come before Gingerbread for Nexus

kolyan said:
Lets just hope Froyo for this will come before Gingerbread for Nexus
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i agree. but if thats the case i will keep the nexus.

mopatt15 said:
I agree though, when 2.2 hits the Vibrant, this maybe the best phone available.
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It already is the best phone available, it just doesn't perform the best yet. With 2.2, it will blow everything away (Mainly in 3d)

Why is everyone excited over the G2 if the galaxy s is faster and has a larger screen

I really don't understand the fervor and I don't mean to be a jerk. Why is it such a big deal?
I have a friend who's even held out for the g2 over the vibrant.

Probably because T-Mobile is marketing the G2 more since it has the T-Mobile brand. Kind of like what Verizon does to "Droid" It's all marketing.

im not excited. sure it will be a great phone. but i honestly think it's ugly. i can appreciate the hw keyboard though.

Some people are excited because it comes with Android 2.2 and given Samsung's past, we could be waiting a while for 2.2.

KerryG said:
Some people are excited because it comes with Android 2.2 and given Samsung's past, we could be waiting a while for 2.2.
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You don't seem very optimistic at all. Samsung UK have confirmed Android 2.2 for UK but nothing for U.S., hoping for the same result in the U.S. or at least close to it.

It utilizes HSPA+ which is only really useful if it's deployed in your area.

The marketing angle (mentioned above) is certainly part of it. Also, it's the named-successor to the G1 - that's special for lots of folks. Thats the highlight for me, really. If the Galaxy S lineup hadn't gotten the XDA section and CM roadmap (legitimized the platform, in my eyes) I might be waiting for a G2 also. Now that I've got my Vibrant, though ... No way could I be happy with a smaller screen and lesser CPU/GPU. I love my Vibrant. Some folks really love the thought of a "official" Google phone though. To each their own. Anyway, if the Vibrant starts pissing me off 6 months from now, G2 means I have something else to try out instead.

I LOVE my Vibrant but I will most likely get a G2, mainly because of the keyboard, the success and continued support the G1 still gets from the XDA community.
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Keyboard isn't even a necessity for me. 4" Screen + Virtual Keyboard (or Swype) works more than fine for me. I definitely do think T-Mobile will spend most of their money towards marketing the G2 and saying it runs at 4G speeds (HSPA+)

just because the cpu has a slower max speed doesnt necessarily mean the phone will run slower. plus the vibrant has touchwiz bogging it down a little. the g2 is vanilla android 2.2. I'm excited for it.
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jaker.the.skater said:
just because the cpu has a slower max speed doesnt necessarily mean the phone will run slower. plus the vibrant has touchwiz bogging it down a little. the g2 is vanilla android 2.2. I'm excited for it.
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Eugene released a package to remove TouchWiz. Get your facts straight.
Also, once CM6 gets released.. everything will be good again.

If the g2 has a working GPS and compass I'd consider it a better phone than the vibrant on that alone. I could care less about the qwerty keyboard but g2 will be shipping with swype so that's good. Hspa+ is a major leap for tmo where the vibrant won't even be able to compare. G2 is basically the next gen dev phone for Android. That holds a lot of weight for many.

zephiK said:
Eugene released a package to remove TouchWiz. Get your facts straight.
Also, once CM6 gets released.. everything will be good again.
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I know... I have hybrid r3 currently installed. I'm just saying it will be fast without having to remove excess stuff.
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Physical keyboard, HSPA+, stock android 2.2 (I think I read that they added 4 more homescreens though). Also, given the fact that it's the G1's successor, it'll be great for the mod/hack community
It sucks I bought my vibrant over a month ago, I would've gladly returned it for a G2

I'm still not real sure if I want to give up my Vibrant for the G2. I really don't think the G2 will just blow the Vibrant out of the water or make it obsolete. It has a slower processor, smaller screen, smaller battery, and is thicker. What I didn't like about my G1 and Cliq was the thickness. When I got swipe on the G1, I stopped using the physical keyboard and I wouldn't be using it if the Vibrant had one either.
It does have a camera flash, 2.2, and HSPA+ and potentially more support/development, but nothing else about it is appealing. The trackpad is neat, but I feel like too much real estate is being wasted below the screen on the G2, making it longer than it should be. I've been getting along just fine without a trackball/pad for a few weeks now.
I wish there was just a little more known about the hardware and an exact release date. I don't think I could lie with my old Tmobile Dash for more than another week if I sent my Vibrant back.

it's all about that scorpion processor, its the first of its kind on a phone, and although it is clocked lower than the current superphones (g2 running at 800mhz instead of 1ghz). it is a 45nm processor rather than a 65nm like snapdragon and other 1ghz, meaning it'll consume less battery power and be more efficient most likely beating the current 1ghz in speed and performance.
especially since its running stock froyo..theres also the hspa+ speeds, and for some ppl the physical keyboard is a plus. This phone will most likely take the crown as the fastest android phone...but..I still think it looks ugly and too plain :/

I wouldnt get too excited till it actually comes out. Then we'll know for sure on everything. All this regret or this will be better is just whatevers till the g2 is actually out
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jaker.the.skater said:
just because the cpu has a slower max speed doesnt necessarily mean the phone will run slower. plus the vibrant has touchwiz bogging it down a little. the g2 is vanilla android 2.2. I'm excited for it.
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Exactly!
The processor in the G2 is an 800MHz Scorpion processor, which benchmarks at around the same performance level as the 1GHz Hummingbird processor in the Vibrant and is a bit more efficient on battery power. It's a huge improvement over the Snapdragon processors, about 4 times the speed at comparable clockspeeds.

jaker.the.skater said:
I know... I have hybrid r3 currently installed. I'm just saying it will be fast without having to remove excess stuff.
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even if you had a G2 running Vanilla i'm guessing that it wouldn't be running "STOCK" you would mod it like the majority of us here on XDA. That is the fun of it. Removing **** that we don't want and adding stuff that we do. So for us it really doesn't matter at the end of the day that the G2 will be running Vanilla. SO WHAT. Our vibrant will have AOSP and CM6.1 soon enough Just sayin.

Well, the G2 will awesome, I only have a problem with it:
It's release will severly slow down development on the Vibrant. :/ I've only had my Vibrant 3 weeks so if development doesnt pick up soon ill trade it in for a G2.

So I tested out a G2 today...

This phone is freakin fast! I know it's running froyo, but this beast got 29 mflops without any mods at all! Everything I did with it was instant response..no pause for anything at all and it was only on edge. When I got my vibrant, the G2 was still a month away. Anyone think the Vibrant will get anywhere near those numbers when it goes to Froyo. (I'm a benchmark whore, so this is really bugging me )
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Benchmarks are like horsepower, it is only as good as what you can use and anything more is just tire smoke and noise.... see lotus vs viper...

The vibrant doesn't support the neon instruction set, so no. Even when froyo comes out it will not reach those numbers.
On the other hand we have the best gpu on a phone yet.
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g1ftmfw said:
Benchmarks are like horsepower, it is only as good as what you can use and anything more is just tire smoke and noise.... see lotus vs viper...
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perfect example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uG9Afp6fy0

briankao1992 said:
perfect example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uG9Afp6fy0
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That was freakin' hilarious...point proven. Btw...never even heard of the neon instruction set. Having the best gpu is only as good as the games it plays...which is not very good right now. I hope some big name developers get working on it.
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My wife just got her g2 and honestly is very laggy compare to my vibrant and am still running stock with no lag fixes I was very surprise
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The thing is, the Vibrant is fast enough to handle any current iteration of Android. I'm using Bionix 1.8 overclocked, and I don't see what any additional speed would do for me. Faster benchmarks would be nice, but it's irrelevant to day to day use.

briankao1992 said:
perfect example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uG9Afp6fy0
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my point exactly... 8x the power and 1/3 the weight only 11 mph faster... lol

briankao1992 said:
perfect example:
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entertaining video

oldarney said:
The vibrant doesn't support the neon instruction set, so no. Even when froyo comes out it will not reach those numbers.
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really ? I thought it did because it can play all those HD videos even without converting

Before the Nexus One got Froyo, it was in the ballpark of 7 MFLOPS. Once the update rolled out, we began to see Linpack scores in the realm of 45 MFLOPS. In its stock form, a Samsung Vibrant gets about 8 MFLOPS. I have no doubt in a dramatic increase for this number once we get Froyo (expecially if you like to use custom kernals and whatnot).

The Thing About That Is Froyo Is Pretty Much Designed For Snapdragon Processors, The Hummingbird Processor Is Completely Different It Works, But It's Not Optimized For It
At Least Thats What I've Heard

i would like to see how our phones would run with:
Froyo+custom rom which includes: modified kernel, lagfix

ryan562 said:
i would like to see how our phones would run with:
Froyo+custom rom which includes: modified kernel, lagfix
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I thought froyo was supposed to get rid of the lag therefore we wouldn't need a lag fix.

i had the evo at first. was getting about 6 or 7 mflops per second on 2.1. they dropped froyo, and i bumped up to about 38 or 39. i got the g2 on october 3rd from the shack. loved the phone. yes, fast straight out of the box. was getting about 29 to 30 with it, but with its weight, the loose hinge, the crap htc pulled with making it supposedly, unrootable, and a few other issues, i took it back after a week, and went back to the vibrant. there are a few issues with its lag, but i just install a different launcher, take away the animation settings, and my vibe feels like one of the other two phones i mentioned. just my .02.

Erickomen27 said:
The Thing About That Is Froyo Is Pretty Much Designed For Snapdragon Processors, The Hummingbird Processor Is Completely Different It Works, But It's Not Optimized For It
At Least Thats What I've Heard
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Actually, it has nothing to do with snapdragon, and everything to do with the optimisation they did to the whole OS. FroYo brings little to the table feature wise, but they did a lot of work with optimisation of the core OS.
Also, Can You Not Capitalise Every Word. It Looks Ugly, Makes It Hard To Read, And Isn't Proper Grammar.

ryan562 said:
i would like to see how our phones would run with:
Froyo+custom rom which includes: modified kernel, lagfix
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I'd be scared. I think my vibrant would be more vibrant than me.
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Vibrant on balance still the best
the others are right Benchmarks are for wow factor really.
A couple of examples ........... My friend's compter have a I7 980 chip in their computer and Wow... it benches 20% faster than My AMD 1090 But........ when actually using the computers doing the same real life tasks, mine is way faster because all the components are better balanced. That said i have 32 gigs of ram in my desktop and only have two programs that recognize that much ram........ so i will have to wait 4 years for software to catch up......NOW that extra ram is a waste...right now but it does wow the benchmark on the ram.
Bottom line the glitz (benchmarks) are just that........ Glitz...... Love the vibrant Have not seen a better phone to date

If your looking for good games to take advantage of the gpu, try the gameloft website. Sandstorm is one I'm currently pounding.
There's currently a sort of war between gameloft and the android market.
My wifi's name is airorangex.
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The G2 is not just fast in benchmarks. It just smokes the Vibrant. Everything is super fast. Whenever I install multiple apps from the Market, the Vibrant just hangs after 2-3. And during the installation stage. After I got the G2, I used App Brain to set up all the Apps on my Vibrant on to the G2. It kept on installing the apps one after another without breaking into a sweat. There is practically no lag at all on the phone. It's a very impressive phone.
Now having said that, like the other poster, I'll be returning the G2 for the same reasons. After getting used to the Vibrant, the weight is too heavy. The hinge is most definitely a problem. Lying on the bed with the phone in your hand, it keeps closing. And HTC's attempt to prevent rooting pissed me off. But Samsung is pissing me off as well with their lack of communication and delay in getting Froyo out. Sadly the dev community is not making as much progress as I had hoped with the world wide launch of the Galaxy S. I might take a look at the G2 again in a couple of months if the mod situation does not improve and Samsung continues to drag its feet.

This or the Captivate?

I'm thinking about getting into the world of Android and smartphones but I'm not sure which phone to get. The Samsung Captivate is good and I have used it before but the Bravo just came out and it seems good as well. I'm not sure which one would be a better choice. Can anyone help?

good news for ya! i have the captivate and my wife just got the bravo so if you have any q's id gladly answer as best i could.. do you plan on rooting/modding the captivate at all? if so the captivate forums are packed full of different ideas. I am having a blast fiddling with mine.

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good news for ya! i have the captivate and my wife just got the bravo so if you have any q's id gladly answer as best i could.. do you plan on rooting/modding the captivate at all? if so the captivate forums are packed full of different ideas. I am having a blast fiddling with mine.
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If I got either one, I would root it since I'm not a big fan of TouchWiz or MotoBlur and would get rid of it. Is the Bravo as smooth as the Captivate for performance, games, and overall usage? Can you list pros and cons of both?

I too am pondering getting the Bravo or going back to the Captivate, has the Captivates GPS issues been fixed?

If you plan on rooting either then i would base my decesion on aesthetics, screen size, feel in your hand, etc.
pro's
captivate: amoled screen is gorgeous!
1 gig humming bird processor is really quick when given the chance (froyo)
camera is much better on the captivate compared to the bravo. (this is really my wifes lone grip about the phone.
cons: gps issues. mine seems fine..fix within 30 secs and tracks to about 20 meters. but I have heard of some phones being not so good. this is a samsung/att issue and not a firmware problem.
That is really the only issue i have with the phone. in the stock rom (2.1) the bottom keys had a 1/2 second to 1 second delay from when i pressed to when the phone would actually respond.. this was extremely annoying for me..but all was fixed with the froyo leaks
IMO the captivate is a more advaced phone in terms of performance... screen, processor (1gig vs 800mhz), camera. (5mp vs 3mp)
however in terms of feel i prefer the bravo. seems a little heavier and a better build quality i also make less mistakes texting on the bravo..
As of right now theres not any dev's doing anything with the bravo. as you can easily see by this forum. ofcoarse this may change in the near future...
good luck with your decision... look at this way.. youre not getting an Iphone so youre already doing better than most

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If you plan on rooting either then i would base my decesion on aesthetics, screen size, feel in your hand, etc.
pro's
captivate: amoled screen is gorgeous!
1 gig humming bird processor is really quick when given the chance (froyo)
camera is much better on the captivate compared to the bravo. (this is really my wifes lone grip about the phone.
cons: gps issues. mine seems fine..fix within 30 secs and tracks to about 20 meters. but I have heard of some phones being not so good. this is a samsung/att issue and not a firmware problem.
That is really the only issue i have with the phone. in the stock rom (2.1) the bottom keys had a 1/2 second to 1 second delay from when i pressed to when the phone would actually respond.. this was extremely annoying for me..but all was fixed with the froyo leaks
IMO the captivate is a more advaced phone in terms of performance... screen, processor (1gig vs 800mhz), camera. (5mp vs 3mp)
however in terms of feel i prefer the bravo. seems a little heavier and a better build quality i also make less mistakes texting on the bravo..
As of right now theres not any dev's doing anything with the bravo. as you can easily see by this forum. ofcoarse this may change in the near future...
good luck with your decision... look at this way.. youre not getting an Iphone so youre already doing better than most
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I won't really use the GPS so that's not an issue for me. How's battery life on them? Also I heard the screen on the Bravo is actually pretty good for a TFT LCD. Do you think once Froyo comes to the Bravo it will perform just as good as the Captivate?

As a Galaxy S owner I would add that you would need to be clinically insane to choose a Bravo over the Captivate =P
It's just no comparison...Captivate has better specs, MUCH better screen, better camera/video, guaranteed upgrade to Froyo and most likely Gingerbread.
Motoblur sucks bigtime, and who knows, it could take a year before you get Froyo.

Is it worth upgrading right now? I can upgrade in October of 2011, but my dad said I can take his account to upgrade......

What are you using now? Yes the bravo screen is decent but it does not compare to the amoled...
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i'm using just a regular feature phone. the thing about the bravo that intrigues me is the better battery life, crystal talk, and fm radio

I have both phones.
The captivate is a better phone (spec wise) and the screen and size are awesome, but Samsung really goofed with their file system - reports of lag are true in many database intensive uses (email access) and really makes things annoying. Also, the Samsung email and Calendar customizations have nice pros, but also many cons.
The Bravo is a midrange phone but Moto did a nice job on email and calendar enhancements if you like Exchange integration.
I like the form factor and screen of the captivate, but the Bravo is a good solid phone. If you could get rid of MotoBlur it would be even better, but it is possible to ignore blur and enjoy the phone.
I used to think the Captivate was the hands down winner, but it has enough irritations that I like the Bravo for business use. For movies, the Captivate cant be beat.

dude, the Captivate is packed full of problems. the biggest downside is that it shuts off by itself. Unless you are a real tech wiz, I highly suggest you pick something else in the Galaxy S family. The vibrant is a good start.

get the MOTOROLA BRAVO!
Look at the Motorola Bravo benchmark scores!!
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It's tons higher than the Samsung Captivate's scores! I have no clue how but it is.
I have a bravo and I'm quite proud of it knowing how much better it is than all of the other phones And it runs so fast! It's almost as good as the Droid X..., but just think, when it gets 2.2, it will TOWER over other phones. And 2.2 will be released for the phone the 1st quarter of 2010. Motorola doesn't know how to advertise phones, this phone is MUCH more powerful than it seems!!!
GET IT!!

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Look at the Motorola Bravo benchmark scores!!
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It's tons higher than the Samsung Captivate's scores! I have no clue how but it is.
I have a bravo and I'm quite proud of it knowing how much better it is than all of the other phones And it runs so fast! It's almost as good as the Droid X..., but just think, when it gets 2.2, it will TOWER over other phones. And 2.2 will be released for the phone the 1st quarter of 2010. Motorola doesn't know how to advertise phones, this phone is MUCH more powerful than it seems!!!
GET IT!!
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Just because the benchmark scores are higher doesn't make it a better phone. I use them as reference for seeing how good a phone is but I don't think too much of them.
I might go to the AT&T store and try the Bravo out for myself. But there's that rumored Motorola phone with the Tegra 2. Should I hold out for that?

Well yea, true.
The benchmark scores are a big deal though, I mean it shows you how powerful the phone is, but the Captivate does have a AMOLED screen and it takes HD video..., but I've always known Motorola to make pretty good quality phones.
And yes...that phone will be really awesome if they can find a way for a battery to power all of that stuff! It seems interesting to wait...and you know the more you wait the better things get, and I think it would be interesting if you waited, and if the phone didn't work out or if it was for a different carrier, then you could always go back to these phones, and by then they will be much cheaper!
If you don't wait then I think you should still get the bravo, it's a really nice phone!!

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Look at the Motorola Bravo benchmark scores!!
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It's tons higher than the Samsung Captivate's scores! I have no clue how but it is.
I have a bravo and I'm quite proud of it knowing how much better it is than all of the other phones And it runs so fast! It's almost as good as the Droid X..., but just think, when it gets 2.2, it will TOWER over other phones. And 2.2 will be released for the phone the 1st quarter of 2010. Motorola doesn't know how to advertise phones, this phone is MUCH more powerful than it seems!!!
GET IT!!
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I suggest that you do some research in the captivate forum. 1036 quadrant score? If my Galaxy S would score that low I would be worried. I rarely get lower than 2200 quadrant score, personal record is 2504 by the way... only need a lag fix app and preferrably a custom kernel. the galaxy s series are bad ass phones if you enjoy fiddling a bit with them. cheers!

agreed, so much out there you can do with the captivate, i've had so much fun with this phone. not saying i didnt like the bravo, but i'd choose captivate as of right now

Id still consider the bravo...
Once th xda REALLY gets a hold pf this phone, the Bravo, it will be MUCH more powerful. This thing has the capabilities of clocking the processor to 1ghz. And those scores are with 2.1, 2.2 will double the performance and like I said, thats coming soon! I rooted mine and was able to somewhat over clock, got it up to like 1400...but I can't wait until 2.2. It will be an awesome phone. But yea, stock Bravo to stock Galaxy S...Bravo wins. So I'm guessing over powered Galaxy S to over powered Bravo, the Bravo will easily win.

I mentioned this in another thread here, but this is my first smartphone, coming from a Moto RAZR. Two weeks later, I'm not sure how I hung onto that dinosaur for so long. I like the Bravo and will keep it. It may feel like my RAZR in six months, but for now it's a huge leap.

Tis true, you would have to be a crazy to even put the bravo in the same class as the captivate.. Captivate by a longshot wins..

Vibrant owners with Nexus S chime in?

So how do you like your Nexus S vs Vibrant...How about a comparison?
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The nexus s is identical to the vibrant, but it has what everyone wants from their vibrant a good camera even in low light but with flash, and a new os : gingerbread 2.3, in hardware specs its almost identical, software and flash is where it gets better than the vibrant

Dont have one because the only thing it has over the Vibrant that i care about is Gingerbread. The camera flash isnt a big deal to me.

So far so good.
JIT actually works on GB quadrant CPU score is now on par with snapdragon
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9858387&postcount=1
I never had issues really with my vibrant GPS but notices quicker and more accurate locks haven't tested on road yet
Covering the bottom left corner on NS doesn't cause signal drop
Like the all around look of the NS doesn't have the cheap looking chrome the vibrant has and no more tmobile or samsung on the front just all black
and also has a rounder look making it look slightly smaller and more sleek along with curve glass
Took some getting use to unlocking and gaining root access but managed and also got clockwork recovery image flashed
Gingerbread is just fast and really snappy
that's about it for now
nothing really stands out in WOW factor its pretty much a vibrant with Google support.. And hopefully they port gingerbread to vibrant and hopefully its optimized to take full advantage of JIT because it makes a difference
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Tested on road and is very accurate and didn't run into any lost or spotty signal while navigating.
Probably due to the fact that they changed the cell and GPS antenna so they no longer interfere with one another like on my vibrant

Well my vibrants gps is perfect locks within 5 secs accurate compass works correctly and with the new google maps its faster, my vibrant being made recently 10-20 came with preinstalled ji6 which does fix the gps problems, as of now im happy with the vibrant just gonna wait till ota froyo comes which should be really soon, im done flashing custom roms they either made my gps worse or messed up my haptic vibrations ended up exchanging so many times at the tmobile store lol i took full advantage of my 14 day period i think i exchanged 2 vibrants got a G2 hated the G2 so horrible and back to another vibrant. Only thing the nexus really has over the vibrant for me is the flash and gingerbread, but i dont want gingerbread badly enough to sell my brand new vibrant due to froyo coming soon and theres no huge difference between 2.2 and 2.3 compared to 2.1 to 2.2

STi489 said:
So how do you like your Nexus S vs Vibrant...How about a comparison?
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Just got my Nexus S. The final straw for me was the fact that the official Samsung twitter is now saying that they "cannot pinpoint a date" for 2.2, yet they had previously been saying "by the end of the year." So they should be able to at least say by the 31st unless they were lying earlier. I have lost faith in them and will never buy a Samsung phone again unless it is a situation like the Nexus where they are not involved with OS/software.
Anyways, it is what you would expect. Basically a Galaxy S except without Samsung tainting the software and no restrictions of any kind. Samsung makes great hardware but, damn, they suck when it comes to supporting existing customers and software engineering. The camera is nice, though I hope that they add in support for HD video recording (which I'm sure it is capable of). Everything I have tried seems to be very fast and well optimized. I also like the small interface changes in 2.3. The phone actually feels a little heavier/thicker than the Vibrant to me, though it isn't in a bad way like the MT4G (which is ugly, too, IMO). External styling seems nice though not much different.
I'm happy. I got what I wanted: unmodified/unrestricted Android and not waiting forever (if ever) for updates.

demo23019 said:
So far so good.
JIT actually works on GB quadrant CPU score is now on par with snapdragon
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9858387&postcount=1
I never had issues really with my vibrant GPS but notices quicker and more accurate locks haven't tested on road yet
Covering the bottom left corner on NS doesn't cause signal drop
Like the all around look of the NS doesn't have the cheap looking chrome the vibrant has and no more tmobile or samsung on the front just all black
and also has a rounder look making it look slightly smaller and more sleek along with curve glass
Took some getting use to unlocking and gaining root access but managed and also got clockwork recovery image flashed
Gingerbread is just fast and really snappy
that's about it for now
nothing really stands out in WOW factor its pretty much a vibrant with Google support.. And hopefully they port gingerbread to vibrant and hopefully its optimized to take full advantage of JIT because it makes a difference
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Interesting the 3D doesn't score as well as the Galaxy S....
It also has relatively slow IO considering its EXT4 partitions.
edit: i guess the NS has an option that slowed the IO down, devs have 'fixed' it and its performing as you would expect..
Also think maybe its just a 2.3 problem with apps maybe causing the 3d scores? well see as time progresses.

ikevinnyii said:
The nexus s is identical to the vibrant, but it has what everyone wants from their vibrant a good camera even in low light but with flash, and a new os : gingerbread 2.3, in hardware specs its almost identical, software and flash is where it gets better than the vibrant
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the nexus s is NOT identical to the vibrant. i'm just saying.

tissimo said:
Interesting the 3D doesn't score as well as the Galaxy S....
It also has relatively slow IO considering its EXT4 partitions.
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Supercurio found that they missed a mounting option he already released a voodoo kernel that fixes it
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markatl84 said:
The camera is nice, though I hope that they add in support for HD video recording (which I'm sure it is capable of).
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I hate to break it to you, but that's a hardware limitation. They may be able to add 720p recording at something less than 30fps, but that's the best you can hope for.
http://twitter.com/supercurio/status/15023985871814656
@dnaltews Is VIdeo Capture 480p choice due to WebM codec limitations on this SoC? software compressor Maybe? @kangsterizer
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http://twitter.com/dnaltews/status/15037578596065280
@supercurio clock rate limitation of the SoC. Galaxy uses an external image processing part as a work around. Not enough PCB space in N.S.
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quadratic said:
I hate to break it to you, but that's a hardware limitation. They may be able to add 720p recording at something less than 30fps, but that's the best you can hope for.
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I don't fully understand what is being said in that twitter reply... so there is a hardware difference between the Vibrant and Nexus S that prevents HD recording? Seems strange that Google would downgrade the hardware in the S. Then again, they took out the SD slot.
Thanks

markatl84 said:
I don't fully understand what is being said in that twitter reply... so there is a hardware difference between the Vibrant and Nexus S that prevents HD recording? Seems strange that Google would downgrade the hardware in the S. Then again, they took out the SD slot.
Thanks
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Basically, the Vibrant had an extra chip that assisted with video recording. There wasn't room for it in the Nexus S, so it won't be able to do 720p.

ikevinnyii said:
The nexus s is identical to the vibrant, but it has what everyone wants from their vibrant a good camera even in low light but with flash, and a new os : gingerbread 2.3, in hardware specs its almost identical, software and flash is where it gets better than the vibrant
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You don't quite grasp the meaning of the word "identical," do ya?
-bZj

Won't do 720p? We'll see.
Either way, the solid feel of the Nexus S makes the Vibrant feel so last year. The Nexus S is the most solid phone I've ever held.
Other than that, it FLIES out of the box. Oh and Gingerbread is hawttttttttttt
Don't say one negative thing about the Nexus S until you go personally hold it. You'll probably end up buying it within 3 seconds of grasping it's awesomeness first hand.

Anderdroid said:
Won't do 720p? We'll see.
Either way, the solid feel of the Nexus S makes the Vibrant feel so last year. The Nexus S is the most solid phone I've ever held.
Other than that, it FLIES out of the box. Oh and Gingerbread is hawttttttttttt
Don't say one negative thing about the Nexus S until you go personally hold it. You'll probably end up buying it within 3 seconds of grasping it's awesomeness first hand.
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I held one. See sigtag. Samaung build quality is nothing to rave about. NS feela cheepee than an HTC aria, and the only thing not last year about this phone is the os... At least for a couple of weeks.
Can care less about this phone. I want a 2.2 update for the one I paid for.
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Anderdroid said:
Won't do 720p? We'll see.
Either way, the solid feel of the Nexus S makes the Vibrant feel so last year. The Nexus S is the most solid phone I've ever held.
Other than that, it FLIES out of the box. Oh and Gingerbread is hawttttttttttt
Don't say one negative thing about the Nexus S until you go personally hold it. You'll probably end up buying it within 3 seconds of grasping it's awesomeness first hand.
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Appreciate the enthusiasm but that's a bit of an exaggeration, no?
From the Nexus S forums there seems to be a few people that aren't all that happy with their phones. Various FC's, spotty GPS, poor call quality. I'm seeing more complaints that I thought I would have.

vapotrini said:
From the Nexus S forums there seems to be a few people that aren't all that happy with their phones. Various FC's, spotty GPS, poor call quality. I'm seeing more complaints that I thought I would have.
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Are you unaware of the season? I know people expect their GPS to work underground but it doesn't ALWAYS work. That and Nexus owners have this sense of entitlement and ***** at the slightest problem as if battery pack just blew up when the battery meter jumps from 100 to 97 fresh off of the charger.
Thank Google for the FC's and poor call quality. Google has some type of noise compression that's software based. Of course, they're controlling the software which means it's supposed to be 100% awesome 100% of the time.

I held one in best buy, and while it is nicer then vibrant, its still nothing special. Gingerbread sucks, I have all gingerbread I need on my vibrant already, I don't really care about game optimization which was the main focus on Ginger. For me its a 50/50 betweeen upgrade and downgrade, the only problem is that its almost 600 bucks....
Hardware let me down, software let me down, maybe developers will surprise me.

vapotrini said:
Appreciate the enthusiasm but that's a bit of an exaggeration, no?
From the Nexus S forums there seems to be a few people that aren't all that happy with their phones. Various FC's, spotty GPS, poor call quality. I'm seeing more complaints that I thought I would have.
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Yea might have FC but thats because software isn't working with 2.3 and needs to be updated. This is the developers responsibility not Google...Gingerbread is perfect and run absolutely fine.
Also FYI you will always find people complaining about one thing or another doesn't matter how revolutionary and stable a product is...even more so when you dont actually have hands on experience and seems to be looking for as much negative things possible to justify your decision on not getting it
Give it time apparently cryogen team are working on porting to galaxy s
Also dont think im just trying to justify my purchase and will say anything because this isn't the case i still have my vibrant and have 14 days to return to get my money back....so far im keeping it
kolyan said:
Gingerbread sucks, I have all gingerbread I need on my vibrant already
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LOL gingerbread sucks but yet you want your vibrant to look like it BTW how that JIT optimization doing for you on your Gingerbread themed 2.2 that's running on rfs

demo23019 said:
LOL gingerbread sucks but yet you want your vibrant to look like it BTW how that JIT optimization doing for you on your Gingerbread themed 2.2 that's running on rfs
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I wanted to say that Gingerbread has very little to offer. It looks good, it has updated copy/paste, keyboard, and optimization for games. I have all those things and more (due to TouchWiz extras) except for optimization for games.....
And frankly speaking, Nero v1 (obviously with JIT) runs very fast and has zero FC.....and it only gets better day by day.
JIT has nothing to do with NS running a bit faster, its ext4. and even after that people are still reporting "laggy browser" in NS, which is THE ONLY issue I have with Vibrant right now.