I'm thinking about getting into the world of Android and smartphones but I'm not sure which phone to get. The Samsung Captivate is good and I have used it before but the Bravo just came out and it seems good as well. I'm not sure which one would be a better choice. Can anyone help?
good news for ya! i have the captivate and my wife just got the bravo so if you have any q's id gladly answer as best i could.. do you plan on rooting/modding the captivate at all? if so the captivate forums are packed full of different ideas. I am having a blast fiddling with mine.
yanks27xwc said:
good news for ya! i have the captivate and my wife just got the bravo so if you have any q's id gladly answer as best i could.. do you plan on rooting/modding the captivate at all? if so the captivate forums are packed full of different ideas. I am having a blast fiddling with mine.
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If I got either one, I would root it since I'm not a big fan of TouchWiz or MotoBlur and would get rid of it. Is the Bravo as smooth as the Captivate for performance, games, and overall usage? Can you list pros and cons of both?
I too am pondering getting the Bravo or going back to the Captivate, has the Captivates GPS issues been fixed?
If you plan on rooting either then i would base my decesion on aesthetics, screen size, feel in your hand, etc.
pro's
captivate: amoled screen is gorgeous!
1 gig humming bird processor is really quick when given the chance (froyo)
camera is much better on the captivate compared to the bravo. (this is really my wifes lone grip about the phone.
cons: gps issues. mine seems fine..fix within 30 secs and tracks to about 20 meters. but I have heard of some phones being not so good. this is a samsung/att issue and not a firmware problem.
That is really the only issue i have with the phone. in the stock rom (2.1) the bottom keys had a 1/2 second to 1 second delay from when i pressed to when the phone would actually respond.. this was extremely annoying for me..but all was fixed with the froyo leaks
IMO the captivate is a more advaced phone in terms of performance... screen, processor (1gig vs 800mhz), camera. (5mp vs 3mp)
however in terms of feel i prefer the bravo. seems a little heavier and a better build quality i also make less mistakes texting on the bravo..
As of right now theres not any dev's doing anything with the bravo. as you can easily see by this forum. ofcoarse this may change in the near future...
good luck with your decision... look at this way.. youre not getting an Iphone so youre already doing better than most
yanks27xwc said:
If you plan on rooting either then i would base my decesion on aesthetics, screen size, feel in your hand, etc.
pro's
captivate: amoled screen is gorgeous!
1 gig humming bird processor is really quick when given the chance (froyo)
camera is much better on the captivate compared to the bravo. (this is really my wifes lone grip about the phone.
cons: gps issues. mine seems fine..fix within 30 secs and tracks to about 20 meters. but I have heard of some phones being not so good. this is a samsung/att issue and not a firmware problem.
That is really the only issue i have with the phone. in the stock rom (2.1) the bottom keys had a 1/2 second to 1 second delay from when i pressed to when the phone would actually respond.. this was extremely annoying for me..but all was fixed with the froyo leaks
IMO the captivate is a more advaced phone in terms of performance... screen, processor (1gig vs 800mhz), camera. (5mp vs 3mp)
however in terms of feel i prefer the bravo. seems a little heavier and a better build quality i also make less mistakes texting on the bravo..
As of right now theres not any dev's doing anything with the bravo. as you can easily see by this forum. ofcoarse this may change in the near future...
good luck with your decision... look at this way.. youre not getting an Iphone so youre already doing better than most
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I won't really use the GPS so that's not an issue for me. How's battery life on them? Also I heard the screen on the Bravo is actually pretty good for a TFT LCD. Do you think once Froyo comes to the Bravo it will perform just as good as the Captivate?
As a Galaxy S owner I would add that you would need to be clinically insane to choose a Bravo over the Captivate =P
It's just no comparison...Captivate has better specs, MUCH better screen, better camera/video, guaranteed upgrade to Froyo and most likely Gingerbread.
Motoblur sucks bigtime, and who knows, it could take a year before you get Froyo.
Is it worth upgrading right now? I can upgrade in October of 2011, but my dad said I can take his account to upgrade......
What are you using now? Yes the bravo screen is decent but it does not compare to the amoled...
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i'm using just a regular feature phone. the thing about the bravo that intrigues me is the better battery life, crystal talk, and fm radio
I have both phones.
The captivate is a better phone (spec wise) and the screen and size are awesome, but Samsung really goofed with their file system - reports of lag are true in many database intensive uses (email access) and really makes things annoying. Also, the Samsung email and Calendar customizations have nice pros, but also many cons.
The Bravo is a midrange phone but Moto did a nice job on email and calendar enhancements if you like Exchange integration.
I like the form factor and screen of the captivate, but the Bravo is a good solid phone. If you could get rid of MotoBlur it would be even better, but it is possible to ignore blur and enjoy the phone.
I used to think the Captivate was the hands down winner, but it has enough irritations that I like the Bravo for business use. For movies, the Captivate cant be beat.
dude, the Captivate is packed full of problems. the biggest downside is that it shuts off by itself. Unless you are a real tech wiz, I highly suggest you pick something else in the Galaxy S family. The vibrant is a good start.
get the MOTOROLA BRAVO!
Look at the Motorola Bravo benchmark scores!!
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It's tons higher than the Samsung Captivate's scores! I have no clue how but it is.
I have a bravo and I'm quite proud of it knowing how much better it is than all of the other phones And it runs so fast! It's almost as good as the Droid X..., but just think, when it gets 2.2, it will TOWER over other phones. And 2.2 will be released for the phone the 1st quarter of 2010. Motorola doesn't know how to advertise phones, this phone is MUCH more powerful than it seems!!!
GET IT!!
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Look at the Motorola Bravo benchmark scores!!
engadget(DOT)com/photos/motorola-mb520-kobe-benchmark-scores/#3285039
It's tons higher than the Samsung Captivate's scores! I have no clue how but it is.
I have a bravo and I'm quite proud of it knowing how much better it is than all of the other phones And it runs so fast! It's almost as good as the Droid X..., but just think, when it gets 2.2, it will TOWER over other phones. And 2.2 will be released for the phone the 1st quarter of 2010. Motorola doesn't know how to advertise phones, this phone is MUCH more powerful than it seems!!!
GET IT!!
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Just because the benchmark scores are higher doesn't make it a better phone. I use them as reference for seeing how good a phone is but I don't think too much of them.
I might go to the AT&T store and try the Bravo out for myself. But there's that rumored Motorola phone with the Tegra 2. Should I hold out for that?
Well yea, true.
The benchmark scores are a big deal though, I mean it shows you how powerful the phone is, but the Captivate does have a AMOLED screen and it takes HD video..., but I've always known Motorola to make pretty good quality phones.
And yes...that phone will be really awesome if they can find a way for a battery to power all of that stuff! It seems interesting to wait...and you know the more you wait the better things get, and I think it would be interesting if you waited, and if the phone didn't work out or if it was for a different carrier, then you could always go back to these phones, and by then they will be much cheaper!
If you don't wait then I think you should still get the bravo, it's a really nice phone!!
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Look at the Motorola Bravo benchmark scores!!
engadget(DOT)com/photos/motorola-mb520-kobe-benchmark-scores/#3285039
It's tons higher than the Samsung Captivate's scores! I have no clue how but it is.
I have a bravo and I'm quite proud of it knowing how much better it is than all of the other phones And it runs so fast! It's almost as good as the Droid X..., but just think, when it gets 2.2, it will TOWER over other phones. And 2.2 will be released for the phone the 1st quarter of 2010. Motorola doesn't know how to advertise phones, this phone is MUCH more powerful than it seems!!!
GET IT!!
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I suggest that you do some research in the captivate forum. 1036 quadrant score? If my Galaxy S would score that low I would be worried. I rarely get lower than 2200 quadrant score, personal record is 2504 by the way... only need a lag fix app and preferrably a custom kernel. the galaxy s series are bad ass phones if you enjoy fiddling a bit with them. cheers!
agreed, so much out there you can do with the captivate, i've had so much fun with this phone. not saying i didnt like the bravo, but i'd choose captivate as of right now
Id still consider the bravo...
Once th xda REALLY gets a hold pf this phone, the Bravo, it will be MUCH more powerful. This thing has the capabilities of clocking the processor to 1ghz. And those scores are with 2.1, 2.2 will double the performance and like I said, thats coming soon! I rooted mine and was able to somewhat over clock, got it up to like 1400...but I can't wait until 2.2. It will be an awesome phone. But yea, stock Bravo to stock Galaxy S...Bravo wins. So I'm guessing over powered Galaxy S to over powered Bravo, the Bravo will easily win.
I mentioned this in another thread here, but this is my first smartphone, coming from a Moto RAZR. Two weeks later, I'm not sure how I hung onto that dinosaur for so long. I like the Bravo and will keep it. It may feel like my RAZR in six months, but for now it's a huge leap.
Tis true, you would have to be a crazy to even put the bravo in the same class as the captivate.. Captivate by a longshot wins..
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So I just got back from the Verizon store about 10 minutes ago and I thought that I would write my impressions. Keep in mind this is just my opinion and I figured it might help some out that have not had the chance to try the Incredible or may be on the fence with it or the Nexus One (yes, I know that the N1 is no longer coming to Verizon =( but for some a provider means nothing)
Some up front information. I am a long time iPhone user (owned all three) and switched to the ATT band Nexus One about a month ago. I personally, love Android and I am very happy with the switch. I have the newest build of Cyanogen Mod (2.6.33.2). I didn't really do any up front tests (i.e, speedtest,browser, or acid etc) , and this review is more to do with my impressions I did however run the two phones side by side and spent over an hour with it.
Ok, so let's get to it. The first thing is aesthetics and to be honest I thought the Incredible looked nice, and also felt pretty good in hand. It seems to be built good and it seems to have the exact same "rubbery" feeling that the battery cover of the N1 has, but it is on the entire back of the phone. The back cover didn't bother me to much at all and I felt that it added to the whole "droid" feel that Verizon and it's partners are trying to pull off. There are a couple things that would worry me if I was an Incredible owner and that is the material they used when making the phone. I couldn't get over the fact that the phone felt a little cheap, but I still get the feeling that it would last if dropped. I don't really get that feeling with my Nexus One. I feel the build of the Nexus One is a little better (i.e, aluminum), but I have always felt that the phone would not with stand the slightest bit of fall from even 3-5 feet (I have never dropped mine so I really have no experience, again this is only my opinion based on how the phones feel).
The Incredible is fast, really fast. I had the same feeling when I used my Nexus One for the first time and as far as I can see there really is not a huge difference in speed between the two phones. But, there is a giant difference in "touch" the Incredible eats my Nexus One's lunch when it comes to overall touch and snappiness. The new sensor really adds to the whole Android experience and of all the Android phones I have tried none so far even come close to the touch screen on the Incredible. My Nexus One was great and the iPhone's I had was even better, but finally we have an Android phone (in my opinion) that not only competes with the iPhone on touchscreen and multitouch technology, but the Incredible one ups it. It really made the whole experience a lot more enjoyable on the phone. Everything, seems to work like Android was designed to work.
The next big thing I noticed and tested was the N1 trackball vs the Incredible's optical sensor. The sensor was nice and I have mixed feelings between the two. I mean everyone knows that an optical sensor looks better and should last a hell of a lot longer than a trackball and I have always felt that the trackball on the N1 looked way out of place. I have gotten really used to the trackball and I use it quite a bit and it is a lot easier to use than the optical sensor. You won't see a big difference at all if you are just flipping between screens or jumping to a text needed in the browser, but you will when choosing apps (but, really who does that anyways when you have touch) Like I said I have mixed feelings I love the look of the optical sensor, but I really feel the trackball is a little more responsive. It took me a while to get used to the trackball so I am sure if I owned the phone I would get a little more used to it and my opinion would change. I must say that I don't use the trackball often so if I had the choice I am sure I would choose the optical sensor.
Some of the other things I noticed that didn't make a huge impression was Sense vs Vanilla Android. I have used sense off and on with both my N1 (Modaco ROM), and my fiance's Droid Eris. I don't have much of an opinion, but I would give just a slight edge to Vanilla Android just because of the update situation however, if Google really adjusts Android like they are rumored to do and the update situation is non existent my opinion would change and I would like Sense. I guess we will see, but as far as some saying that having Sense will bog down Android I must say that I didn't experience that at all. They both ran just as smooth and will the Incredible's wonderful touch sensor I would give a slight favor to the Incredible with sense over the N1.
I spent about ten minutes with the camera/video camera on both phones and although I couldn't tell a huge difference in the pictures and videos (I know the Incredible sports a 8 mp and the N1 5mp), but I was also not able to upload any pictures to a computer to blow them up. I did send them to my email and I will post later if I notice a big jump or not. I still would give the Incredible the advantage just because why wouldn't I? 8mp is always going to beat 5mp and dual flash is nice.
Next one of my biggest gripes about the N1 and that is the touch sensor buttons on the bottom of the phone. The N1 like many probably know work and work well, but you have to touch the top two thirds of the label to get them to respond at all and I did find for the first little bit of owning the phone I often touched the home screen button when typing a text or email. With the Incredible these work perfectly. Not only do you not have to aim your finger, but they also worked every time I attempted to use them. They are in a different order than the N1 so that took me a minute to get used to, but no biggie. This is the way HTC and Google should of made the N1 work and personally I think they got it right with the Incredible.
I don't have a problem with my N1 when it comes to the 3G dropping issue and that could be that I got the ATT one or maybe I just got lucky. I did try to cover the bottom of the Incredible and it didn't seem to dip at all. Also, there was a Moto Droid right next to the Incredible and they seemed to get the same service so that should be a relief for many.
I wish that I would of had a couple days with this phone so that I could test many other aspects with it like the battery, further tests on 3G and wifi, the overall build, and even the speed. Really the Incredible is a nice phone and in a lot of ways I feel that it lives up to the hype. In my opinion I found my self wishing that I had the screen touch sensor in my N1 it really makes a giant difference even tho the N1 isn't all that bad. I could really do without the extra mega pixels in the camera and to my knowledge they both record at the same levels (I may be wrong with this and if I am then I am sorry). I do wish that the touch sensors on the bottom of the N1 worked as well as the Incredible, but I can live without it. Like I said sense vs Vanilla until I hear differently I would rather get the quicker updates, but if Google addresses this issue I would love to Sense on my N1 (Yes, I know I can with Modaco Sense ROM). The trackball is something that doesn't make a huge difference, but I do worry about how well it will hold up after months of usage.
My final feelings are that although the Incredible is the better phone it is not worth switching over to Verizon for it (although yes I do believe that Verizon is the better provider, but I have a family plan and a contract and that is what I am speaking of). The Incredible looks and feels nice, but I must say I like the overall look and feel of the N1 a little more. Like I said, I couldn't get over the fact that the Incredible felt a little fragile because of the plastic material the phone is made of, but then again the N1's build doesn't feel all that more solid of a phone. The N1 screen looked to me to be a little wider (I could be wrong) and although it sounds wierd it did make a difference, at least to me it did. It will be interesting to see when the Incredible will get the desk dock and car dock because these are big selling points to me with my N1. The deal breaker is the touch screen and how it works. This is the biggest selling point of this phone and that makes me want it, but there is one big thing with my N1 that I really enjoy and that is the wonderful developers behind the N1. I love how easy Google made to root this phone and I really think that a lot of developers make our phones all the more fun to use. Until, I can see the Incredible get these abilities (I am sure they will with great people like Paul the other day rooting the Desire) I would have to go with my N1.
I hope this was helpful to some and that people don't think I was to harsh to either side. I tried my hardest to not come off like a "fanboi" and tried to be as unbiased as possible. I really went in today looking to see if this phone lived up to its hype and I believe it did. I can't see many flaws with owning this phone and I welcome all of our new Android brothers and sisters to the party. Let me know how you all think and thanks for reading I know it's long as hell. Again, A huge thank you to all you developers that pour your hard work into making all of our lives easier. You really make our phones and the Android world all the much better than the competition. Keep up the good work, we love you guys!
Very nice review! For some reason though, even if I could get an Incredible.. I don't think I would o_0 I really don't know why, but.. even though it has better specs (well, not that many matter) I just don't even think I actually "want" it. Is that weird?
They're both great phones, and really are just going to make Android better. Wait, you said the Nexus's screen was wider? Pictures really don't show that.. I thought the Incredible had a wider screen. Weirdness..
Fair enough. I'd say it's just a case of the Incredible coming out later, hence with better hardware. Newer stuff almost always have better components. That's just the way gadgets are. The thing that irks me are people saying that the "old" stuff SUCKS now because there's "new" stuff now. These are the idiots that should be shot.
I too considered the Incredible, but for some reason I felt pangs of loss when I considered not having my Nexy anymore.
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Wow, great comparison. I read every word. I can't wait to test out the Incredible myself this weekend!
It seems like it's a much better phone in almost every way (touchscreen, soft buttons, camera).
The only downside is what will happen with 2.2. This has yet to be proven, so it can't be counted as a negative -- yet. Time will tell. Until then, I'm definitely envious since in my eyes it is definitely the better phone. Although I think the N1 is definitely sexier
My mom just got this phone today, and I got to say, Sense UI on that phone is a lot faster than Sense UI on the Nexus.
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My mom just got this phone today, and I got to say, Sense UI on that phone is a lot faster than Sense UI on the Nexus.
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That's cause its not made to be on the Nexus, and Paul doesn't have the Desire kernel source to make it a complete build. I don't even know how much of a speed increase that would cause regardless.. I don't like when people say this (what you said) because the Nexus was never made to run Sense UI, and therefore doesn't have the correct optimization, the stock 2.1 Google experience is the Nexus's child.. not Sense. Im assuming you knew this.. though. Oh and edit, everything I said could possibly be wrong. I am not a ROM baker, or developer.
I wish the things that made the Incredible better interested me, I dont take many pictures.. my touchscreen doesn't irritate me.. and the soft buttons do their job well. Another good score for Android though, with next being the Evo - and those new phones Dell are working on.
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Very nice review! For some reason though, even if I could get an Incredible.. I don't think I would o_0 I really don't know why, but.. even though it has better specs (well, not that many matter) I just don't even think I actually "want" it. Is that weird?
They're both great phones, and really are just going to make Android better. Wait, you said the Nexus's screen was wider? Pictures really don't show that.. I thought the Incredible had a wider screen. Weirdness..
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No that isn't weird at all and I feel the same. It isn't a big jump from the Nexus One and even if it was I don't feel comfortable doing it until developers have had their way and have root. It will be interesting to see. If I was going to make a jump (which as of now I wont) I would make the jump to the EVO. The Incredible just doesn't have enough over the N1 specs wise.
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Fair enough. I'd say it's just a case of the Incredible coming out later, hence with better hardware. Newer stuff almost always have better components. That's just the way gadgets are. The thing that irks me are people saying that the "old" stuff SUCKS now because there's "new" stuff now. These are the idiots that should be shot.
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I agree to the fullest! I saw some kids on Engadget saying that the Incredivble is faster in every aspect than the N1 and that is not even close to the fact. It is a great phone and yes Verizon and HTC have fixed some of the N1's flaws but all in all this phone is a plastic Desire (that is not a bad thing at all and to each his own) I just wanted to let people know the impressions I got from the phone. To be honest I hope this phone is even more popular than the Moto Droid and then a bunch of people will get it and get more developers interested in Android. I hope it is a huge mainstream success. I love the idea that I have never seen a N1 rather than mine. They can have all that. I love how easy it is to root the N1 and all the talented developers behind it.
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Wow, great comparison. I read every word. I can't wait to test out the Incredible myself this weekend!
It seems like it's a much better phone in almost every way (touchscreen, soft buttons, camera).
The only downside is what will happen with 2.2. This has yet to be proven, so it can't be counted as a negative -- yet. Time will tell. Until then, I'm definitely envious since in my eyes it is definitely the better phone. Although I think the N1 is definitely sexier
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I agree the Nexus is a lot sexier. I held them up by each other and both look like great designs. The Incredible has nice specs but most are just small upgrades the Incredible's touch screen is the big difference, but so is the N1 being Google's baby and we will get the upgrades a lot faster. That to me is a bigger selling point. If that changes then I might change my mind. The internal memory, better camera, and better buttons just don't warrant a provider jump in my eyes.
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My mom just got this phone today, and I got to say, Sense UI on that phone is a lot faster than Sense UI on the Nexus.
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Oh yeah I definately agree a hundred percent. It is a whole different ball game. To be fair Paul's Modoco is still in alpha and it is amazing that he even got it to work. We are lucky that we even get the chance to try it out to be honest.
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That's cause its not made to be on the Nexus, and Paul doesn't have the Desire kernel source to make it a complete build. I don't even know how much of a speed increase that would cause regardless.. I don't like when people say this (what you said) because the Nexus was never made to run Sense UI, and therefore doesn't have the correct optimization, the stock 2.1 Google experience is the Nexus's child.. not Sense. Im assuming you knew this.. though. Oh and edit, everything I said could possibly be wrong. I am not a ROM baker, or developer.
I wish the things that made the Incredible better interested me, I dont take many pictures.. my touchscreen doesn't irritate me.. and the soft buttons do their job well. Another good score for Android though, with next being the Evo - and those new phones Dell are working on.
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You seem to have the same impression as me. I think that stock Android runs just as good on the Nexus One as Sense does on the Incredible. It comes down to overall what people prefer and for me I prefer Vanilla. None of us will be on top of the Android game for long. Every couple of months a better phone is coming out. It happened to the Moto Droid, now the Nexus One, and soon the Incredible with the EVO 4G. Overall, as Android grows we will all reap the benefits. I really think that the specs in the N1 will be relevant for quite awhile and we wont see many phones that completely stomp it. At least not for another year or so. I am happy with my purchase (especially getting rid of that damn iPhone 3Gs)
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No that isn't weird at all and I feel the same. It isn't a big jump from the Nexus One and even if it was I don't feel comfortable doing it until developers have had their way and have root. It will be interesting to see. If I was going to make a jump (which as of now I wont) I would make the jump to the EVO. The Incredible just doesn't have enough over the N1 specs wise.
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Good review man. I also agree that I'd be more interested in the Evo than the Incredible. Partly because of the bigger screen, partly due to the 4G (though my current provider's, T-mobile, HSPA+ might be faster), and partly because I can't stomach paying $40 more a month over Sprint or T-mo.
Do we know yet if the Evo 4G will have the Maxtouch touchscreen?
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I've heard this over and over again and I have to agree - The Droid incredible has a look that pales in comparison to the N1.
Having a great phone that also looks amazing is a huge draw to the reason we get new technology (just ask apple and the people who actually bought a $1700 MacBook air). If looks weren't important for our hardware then we would all be driving economy cars with better MPG specs and having Droid incredibles, instead though we have nice looking cars and a near perfect Nexus 1 that looks amazing.
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Good review man. I also agree that I'd be more interested in the Evo than the Incredible. Partly because of the bigger screen, partly due to the 4G (though my current provider's, T-mobile, HSPA+ might be faster), and partly because I can't stomach paying $40 more a month over Sprint or T-mo.
Do we know yet if the Evo 4G will have the Maxtouch touchscreen?
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I don't know if we know for sure if it will or not, but if I was a betting man (and i def am) I would say that HTC and Sprint would be stupid not to. I also believe that I read somewhere that all HTC phones will now have that sensor in it. I can't prove that as I am going to work now, but I will look for the source while I am at work and try to post it (don't you love smart phones). I know people laugh at the term "superphone" but when you compare these phones to the iPhone or Blackberriers these phones are def more of a "superphone" than a smartphone. Apple is going to have their hands full this year and it will be very interesting to see how it plays out. I for one don't care what Apple does in June I would be stupid to jump off the Android band wagon we just have way to much going on.
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Do we know yet if the Evo 4G will have the Maxtouch touchscreen?
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Yep, Maxtouch!
http://androidandme.com/2010/04/news/htc-incredible-and-evo-4g-to-feature-new-maxtouch-sensors/
IMO even the EVO is only worth upgrading to if you need 720p recording or would value HDMI out. Personally, I would love to have HDMI (don't care for the HD recording all that much) but it still wouldn't justify ditching my N1. I'm not going to upgrade until the N1 ceases to run newer Android software effectively or significant processing upgrades are made (ie. Dual Core). Who knows I may change my mind but that's how I feel right now.
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IMO even the EVO is only worth upgrading to if you need 720p recording or would value HDMI out. Personally, I would love to have HDMI (don't care for the HD recording all that much) but it still wouldn't justify ditching my N1. I'm not going to upgrade until the N1 ceases to run newer Android software effectively or significant processing upgrades are made (ie. Dual Core). Who knows I may change my mind but that's how I feel right now.
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I'm with you. Most picky gadget dweebs tend to upgrade for the sake of having the latest and greatest even though it's only marginally better than the last "toy" they had. I upgrade my phone like I upgrade my PCs: it's only worth upgrading if the new stuff is at least 10 times more powerful than the last one. Which in most cases can take a few years of waiting. AND it's gotta cover what I "need". Most stuff that I "want" should be an included bonus, which the N1 covers quite well (A2DP, wifi tethering).
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IMO even the EVO is only worth upgrading to if you need 720p recording or would value HDMI out.
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Or you value a bigger screen.
Or 4G.
Or Sprint.
Or like the style/looks better.
And so on
The touch buttons on the Incredible seem to be actually on the button, unlike the Nexus. And the camera is amazing!
I never thought I'd say this, but I was under the impression that Samsung's new lineup would be using their own OS (Bada) rather than Android...I've now heard different and done some snooping.
I've hated Samsung phones, but OMG...
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Cellphonehardwarecompari1.png
Just take a look at that!!!
I've got another two weeks that I can return my Evo...should I keep it or wait for Galaxy S?
I mean just look at that - less power consumption, AMOLED screen, much faster GPU, faster RAM
I just got this Evo and I feel like something better is already coming out...
Dude I'm in the same boat as you I just got it and I heard about the galaxy s but after doing more research it seems like my evo is already outdated in some aspects by the galaxy s. I heard rumors its gonna be on t-mobile too and I canceled my contract with them to get the evo. But as I said its better only in a few ways. I wanna see reviews for it but by the time the galaxy s is out I won't be able to return the evo. I'm in a dilemma especially after the problems with the evo like battery life subpar 8 megapixel camera and 720p video and the 30 fps cap (that one gets me pissed) .- I wonder what other ppl at xda have to say- imma be watching this thread.
im returning my evo for the samsung galaxy s pro (with qwerty keyboard) for sprint.
I'm also very interested in the Galaxy. I love the Evo but the screen problem has got me thinking twice and I'm not too happy with how thick the Evo feels to me compared to my HD2. I understand that the Galaxy has a CPU with the same clock speed but tests have shown it to perform better along with the GPU as mentioned. The much slimmer profile sounds very good to me and the lack of a camera flash is a letdown but one I could live with.
Samsung is known for not supporting their phones after release but they have confirmed that the Galaxy will be updated with Froyo. On 2G the battery is rated for talk time longer than the iPhone 4G and is of course replaceable. Also 16GB built-in + add a 32GB micro sd card and you have more storage than nearly any smartphone.
Here is the best review (9 pages) I've found on the Galaxy:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php
true the galaxy s has some great specs..
but you might want to do a little research on the Samsung support on thier phones. from what I have seen... it is a very big issue. they tend to push out great spec phones and then move on to the next phone to develop; and forget the old.
some times it is not just the specs. how the parts add and give you over all total performance. From reading on other phones.. (ex: hero vs moment).
But it's a Samsung...
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true the galaxy s has some great specs..
but you might want to do a little research on the Samsung support on thier phones. from what I have seen... it is a very big issue. they tend to push out great spec phones and then move on to the next phone to develop; and forget the old.
some times it is not just the specs. how the parts add and give you over all total performance. From reading on other phones.. (ex: hero vs moment).
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im returning my evo for the samsung galaxy s pro (with qwerty keyboard) for sprint.
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That's better than htc who puts out phones with glaring problems and then stops supporting them. I haven't had an htc Pune since the tilt. I was hoping they had changed so I could get an evo, but apparently they haven't. I'm liking the galaxy s pro right now.
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true the galaxy s has some great specs..
but you might want to do a little research on the Samsung support on thier phones. from what I have seen... it is a very big issue. they tend to push out great spec phones and then move on to the next phone to develop; and forget the old.
some times it is not just the specs. how the parts add and give you over all total performance. From reading on other phones.. (ex: hero vs moment).
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LOL....
True, but HTC's record is just as pathetic.
We'll see when we will have a bug fix release and maybe in 10 months Froyo...
The Galaxy is nice, but if you like the developing and deep hacking and customizing.
HTC is the way to go.
yeah you guys are right - i know samsungs phones tend to sound good on paper and turn out not that great after all. happened a couple of times before. wanted to love their phones, but just couldnt.
besides the galaxy s looks pretty ugly compared to the evo
ok is it me or does this thing REALLY look like an iphone clone? Don't get me wrong the specs are good, but that Touchwiz overlay is a huge negative for me. In addition the only advantages I see the Galaxy S as having is the internal storage (which doesn't matter to me because I haven't even filled up my 16gb card half way yet, so an extra 8/16gb of storage doesn't excite me), the screen resolution (I'd rather have less resolution and a larger screen though), and the processor (same clock speed but faster gpu, seeing as I don't do an extensive amount of gaming on my phone I couldn't careless about that. Not to mention the gaming I do with games such as Gangstar and Nova, which are 3d environments, run perfectly fine). The disadvantages for me would be: lack of 4g (I get great 4g coverage here in Atlanta and also get good speeds on it 4-8megs), lack of camera flash, does not come with flash (you will have to wait until froyo, or install a custom rom to do any browsing that involves flash), and below average speakerphone. The phone looks like a decent phone but it does not have enough advantages for me to make a switch. Just my opinion.
I'll pass on the samsung. I'm really not digging their skinning either. With their post support issues I think I'd rather deal with apple and the iphone or motorola and their new high end droid. That said I'm not going to go and get raped by verizon, I don't want to get raped by at&t either and I'm happy with my evo.
HTC 4-LIFE
anyhow the samsung does look nice. but its still not an HTC
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ok is it me or does this thing REALLY look like an iphone clone? Don't get me wrong the specs are good, but that Touchwiz overlay is a huge negative for me. In addition the only advantages I see the Galaxy S as having is the internal storage (which doesn't matter to me because I haven't even filled up my 16gb card half way yet, so an extra 8/16gb of storage doesn't excite me), the screen resolution (I'd rather have less resolution and a larger screen though), and the processor (same clock speed but faster gpu, seeing as I don't do an extensive amount of gaming on my phone I couldn't careless about that. Not to mention the gaming I do with games such as Gangstar and Nova, which are 3d environments, run perfectly fine). The disadvantages for me would be: lack of 4g (I get great 4g coverage here in Atlanta and also get good speeds on it 4-8megs), lack of camera flash, does not come with flash (you will have to wait until froyo, or install a custom rom to do any browsing that involves flash), and below average speakerphone. The phone looks like a decent phone but it does not have enough advantages for me to make a switch. Just my opinion.
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I agree about the looks! It looks way too much like an iPhone and the UI screenshots don't make it look any better. But have you seen the long demo video on YouTube? I forget which one it was, but I have to admit I was pretty impressed by the way it all flowed and this is coming from a guy who loves HTC Sense.
For someone like me, the extra 16GB would mean that I could ditch my iPod 160GB Classic and just have one device (I like to keep all my music and audiobooks on one device). Also reported by a few different blogs, the Galaxy screen is better and the hummingbird is reported too as being faster than the snapdragon in our Evos. And I guess I'm alone in this, but the super slim profile is a huge plus to me. But that back cover is pretty ugly. I'd really just like to demo this thing myself, with my Evo in hand and then decide. I'd also like to do the same with the iPhone 4G. These devices coming out on different dates, sure does making the choice making that much harder.........
man look how responsive it is!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnOHlx0BZ2Y&feature=related
frikin amazing
Any ideas what career its going to be on?
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HTC 4-LIFE
anyhow the samsung does look nice. but its still not an HTC
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You just like HTC because you get to fix whatever is broken. If you buy a Motorola or Samsung you have nothing to fix
denny_1986 said:
man look how responsive it is!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnOHlx0BZ2Y&feature=related
frikin amazing
Any ideas what career its going to be on?
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I keep reading different carriers. Samsung has said they want the device to be on every carrier in every country and so if that holds true then it will be on all but my question is who will have it first late this month or next month as reported. I have seen some screenshots, showing T-Mobile account data on a Galaxy screen, but now I'm hearing Verizon and ATT as well.......
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You just like HTC because you get to fix whatever is broken. If you buy a Motorola or Samsung you have nothing to fix
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bahahaahh not entirely true about motorla and samsung but still funny ahah
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You just like HTC because you get to fix whatever is broken. If you buy a Motorola or Samsung you have nothing to fix
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naw i like them because they build quality devices and have awesome customer support. i feel they do things right for the most part. i bet after u get done waiting for root on the samsung ull be trying to fix just as many things. also xda and all the other dev communities for HTC devices are well rounded and have a major following. HTC has been spiting out awesome devices for a long time. ive been hooked since my Axim X50v. that was back in 03
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HTC 4-LIFE
anyhow the samsung does look nice. but its still not an HTC
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I'm with you all the way on it, i like how motorola designed the droid X but not their software, and I wouldn't get a motorola anyways.
So how do you like your Nexus S vs Vibrant...How about a comparison?
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The nexus s is identical to the vibrant, but it has what everyone wants from their vibrant a good camera even in low light but with flash, and a new os : gingerbread 2.3, in hardware specs its almost identical, software and flash is where it gets better than the vibrant
Dont have one because the only thing it has over the Vibrant that i care about is Gingerbread. The camera flash isnt a big deal to me.
So far so good.
JIT actually works on GB quadrant CPU score is now on par with snapdragon
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9858387&postcount=1
I never had issues really with my vibrant GPS but notices quicker and more accurate locks haven't tested on road yet
Covering the bottom left corner on NS doesn't cause signal drop
Like the all around look of the NS doesn't have the cheap looking chrome the vibrant has and no more tmobile or samsung on the front just all black
and also has a rounder look making it look slightly smaller and more sleek along with curve glass
Took some getting use to unlocking and gaining root access but managed and also got clockwork recovery image flashed
Gingerbread is just fast and really snappy
that's about it for now
nothing really stands out in WOW factor its pretty much a vibrant with Google support.. And hopefully they port gingerbread to vibrant and hopefully its optimized to take full advantage of JIT because it makes a difference
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Tested on road and is very accurate and didn't run into any lost or spotty signal while navigating.
Probably due to the fact that they changed the cell and GPS antenna so they no longer interfere with one another like on my vibrant
Well my vibrants gps is perfect locks within 5 secs accurate compass works correctly and with the new google maps its faster, my vibrant being made recently 10-20 came with preinstalled ji6 which does fix the gps problems, as of now im happy with the vibrant just gonna wait till ota froyo comes which should be really soon, im done flashing custom roms they either made my gps worse or messed up my haptic vibrations ended up exchanging so many times at the tmobile store lol i took full advantage of my 14 day period i think i exchanged 2 vibrants got a G2 hated the G2 so horrible and back to another vibrant. Only thing the nexus really has over the vibrant for me is the flash and gingerbread, but i dont want gingerbread badly enough to sell my brand new vibrant due to froyo coming soon and theres no huge difference between 2.2 and 2.3 compared to 2.1 to 2.2
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So how do you like your Nexus S vs Vibrant...How about a comparison?
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Just got my Nexus S. The final straw for me was the fact that the official Samsung twitter is now saying that they "cannot pinpoint a date" for 2.2, yet they had previously been saying "by the end of the year." So they should be able to at least say by the 31st unless they were lying earlier. I have lost faith in them and will never buy a Samsung phone again unless it is a situation like the Nexus where they are not involved with OS/software.
Anyways, it is what you would expect. Basically a Galaxy S except without Samsung tainting the software and no restrictions of any kind. Samsung makes great hardware but, damn, they suck when it comes to supporting existing customers and software engineering. The camera is nice, though I hope that they add in support for HD video recording (which I'm sure it is capable of). Everything I have tried seems to be very fast and well optimized. I also like the small interface changes in 2.3. The phone actually feels a little heavier/thicker than the Vibrant to me, though it isn't in a bad way like the MT4G (which is ugly, too, IMO). External styling seems nice though not much different.
I'm happy. I got what I wanted: unmodified/unrestricted Android and not waiting forever (if ever) for updates.
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So far so good.
JIT actually works on GB quadrant CPU score is now on par with snapdragon
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9858387&postcount=1
I never had issues really with my vibrant GPS but notices quicker and more accurate locks haven't tested on road yet
Covering the bottom left corner on NS doesn't cause signal drop
Like the all around look of the NS doesn't have the cheap looking chrome the vibrant has and no more tmobile or samsung on the front just all black
and also has a rounder look making it look slightly smaller and more sleek along with curve glass
Took some getting use to unlocking and gaining root access but managed and also got clockwork recovery image flashed
Gingerbread is just fast and really snappy
that's about it for now
nothing really stands out in WOW factor its pretty much a vibrant with Google support.. And hopefully they port gingerbread to vibrant and hopefully its optimized to take full advantage of JIT because it makes a difference
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Interesting the 3D doesn't score as well as the Galaxy S....
It also has relatively slow IO considering its EXT4 partitions.
edit: i guess the NS has an option that slowed the IO down, devs have 'fixed' it and its performing as you would expect..
Also think maybe its just a 2.3 problem with apps maybe causing the 3d scores? well see as time progresses.
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The nexus s is identical to the vibrant, but it has what everyone wants from their vibrant a good camera even in low light but with flash, and a new os : gingerbread 2.3, in hardware specs its almost identical, software and flash is where it gets better than the vibrant
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the nexus s is NOT identical to the vibrant. i'm just saying.
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Interesting the 3D doesn't score as well as the Galaxy S....
It also has relatively slow IO considering its EXT4 partitions.
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Supercurio found that they missed a mounting option he already released a voodoo kernel that fixes it
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The camera is nice, though I hope that they add in support for HD video recording (which I'm sure it is capable of).
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I hate to break it to you, but that's a hardware limitation. They may be able to add 720p recording at something less than 30fps, but that's the best you can hope for.
http://twitter.com/supercurio/status/15023985871814656
@dnaltews Is VIdeo Capture 480p choice due to WebM codec limitations on this SoC? software compressor Maybe? @kangsterizer
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@supercurio clock rate limitation of the SoC. Galaxy uses an external image processing part as a work around. Not enough PCB space in N.S.
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I hate to break it to you, but that's a hardware limitation. They may be able to add 720p recording at something less than 30fps, but that's the best you can hope for.
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I don't fully understand what is being said in that twitter reply... so there is a hardware difference between the Vibrant and Nexus S that prevents HD recording? Seems strange that Google would downgrade the hardware in the S. Then again, they took out the SD slot.
Thanks
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I don't fully understand what is being said in that twitter reply... so there is a hardware difference between the Vibrant and Nexus S that prevents HD recording? Seems strange that Google would downgrade the hardware in the S. Then again, they took out the SD slot.
Thanks
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Basically, the Vibrant had an extra chip that assisted with video recording. There wasn't room for it in the Nexus S, so it won't be able to do 720p.
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The nexus s is identical to the vibrant, but it has what everyone wants from their vibrant a good camera even in low light but with flash, and a new os : gingerbread 2.3, in hardware specs its almost identical, software and flash is where it gets better than the vibrant
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You don't quite grasp the meaning of the word "identical," do ya?
-bZj
Won't do 720p? We'll see.
Either way, the solid feel of the Nexus S makes the Vibrant feel so last year. The Nexus S is the most solid phone I've ever held.
Other than that, it FLIES out of the box. Oh and Gingerbread is hawttttttttttt
Don't say one negative thing about the Nexus S until you go personally hold it. You'll probably end up buying it within 3 seconds of grasping it's awesomeness first hand.
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Won't do 720p? We'll see.
Either way, the solid feel of the Nexus S makes the Vibrant feel so last year. The Nexus S is the most solid phone I've ever held.
Other than that, it FLIES out of the box. Oh and Gingerbread is hawttttttttttt
Don't say one negative thing about the Nexus S until you go personally hold it. You'll probably end up buying it within 3 seconds of grasping it's awesomeness first hand.
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I held one. See sigtag. Samaung build quality is nothing to rave about. NS feela cheepee than an HTC aria, and the only thing not last year about this phone is the os... At least for a couple of weeks.
Can care less about this phone. I want a 2.2 update for the one I paid for.
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Won't do 720p? We'll see.
Either way, the solid feel of the Nexus S makes the Vibrant feel so last year. The Nexus S is the most solid phone I've ever held.
Other than that, it FLIES out of the box. Oh and Gingerbread is hawttttttttttt
Don't say one negative thing about the Nexus S until you go personally hold it. You'll probably end up buying it within 3 seconds of grasping it's awesomeness first hand.
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Appreciate the enthusiasm but that's a bit of an exaggeration, no?
From the Nexus S forums there seems to be a few people that aren't all that happy with their phones. Various FC's, spotty GPS, poor call quality. I'm seeing more complaints that I thought I would have.
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From the Nexus S forums there seems to be a few people that aren't all that happy with their phones. Various FC's, spotty GPS, poor call quality. I'm seeing more complaints that I thought I would have.
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Are you unaware of the season? I know people expect their GPS to work underground but it doesn't ALWAYS work. That and Nexus owners have this sense of entitlement and ***** at the slightest problem as if battery pack just blew up when the battery meter jumps from 100 to 97 fresh off of the charger.
Thank Google for the FC's and poor call quality. Google has some type of noise compression that's software based. Of course, they're controlling the software which means it's supposed to be 100% awesome 100% of the time.
I held one in best buy, and while it is nicer then vibrant, its still nothing special. Gingerbread sucks, I have all gingerbread I need on my vibrant already, I don't really care about game optimization which was the main focus on Ginger. For me its a 50/50 betweeen upgrade and downgrade, the only problem is that its almost 600 bucks....
Hardware let me down, software let me down, maybe developers will surprise me.
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Appreciate the enthusiasm but that's a bit of an exaggeration, no?
From the Nexus S forums there seems to be a few people that aren't all that happy with their phones. Various FC's, spotty GPS, poor call quality. I'm seeing more complaints that I thought I would have.
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Yea might have FC but thats because software isn't working with 2.3 and needs to be updated. This is the developers responsibility not Google...Gingerbread is perfect and run absolutely fine.
Also FYI you will always find people complaining about one thing or another doesn't matter how revolutionary and stable a product is...even more so when you dont actually have hands on experience and seems to be looking for as much negative things possible to justify your decision on not getting it
Give it time apparently cryogen team are working on porting to galaxy s
Also dont think im just trying to justify my purchase and will say anything because this isn't the case i still have my vibrant and have 14 days to return to get my money back....so far im keeping it
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Gingerbread sucks, I have all gingerbread I need on my vibrant already
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LOL gingerbread sucks but yet you want your vibrant to look like it BTW how that JIT optimization doing for you on your Gingerbread themed 2.2 that's running on rfs
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LOL gingerbread sucks but yet you want your vibrant to look like it BTW how that JIT optimization doing for you on your Gingerbread themed 2.2 that's running on rfs
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I wanted to say that Gingerbread has very little to offer. It looks good, it has updated copy/paste, keyboard, and optimization for games. I have all those things and more (due to TouchWiz extras) except for optimization for games.....
And frankly speaking, Nero v1 (obviously with JIT) runs very fast and has zero FC.....and it only gets better day by day.
JIT has nothing to do with NS running a bit faster, its ext4. and even after that people are still reporting "laggy browser" in NS, which is THE ONLY issue I have with Vibrant right now.
My sister will give me her upgrade if I give her my Captivate. I use Cog 4 currently and I am happy with the device except gps.
If anyone jumped from Captivate to Atrix, what are your thoughts.
I'm also debating on just waiting for GS2 for AT&T.
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I also have a Captivate running Cognition and I prefer the Atrix in every way.
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My sister will give me her upgrade if I give her my Captivate. I use Cog 4 currently and I am happy with the device except gps.
If anyone jumped from Captivate to Atrix, what are your thoughts.
I'm also debating on just waiting for GS2 for AT&T.
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try the official froyo update, from what i have read the gps works.
if it doesn't and it's important to you then get the atrix.
otherwise keep your cappy and wait for the galaxy S 2 or something else
I'm in the same boat, and from what I've been reading in these forums, people don't seem all that incredibly happy with the Atrix. I'm planning on waiting for the Galaxy S 2 myself. I don't know if I can deal with a non-SAMOLED screen now that I've had one!
I have the Atrix and the Captivate. I am happier with my Captivate than with my Atrix. Although I do like the power the Atrix has but I prefer the media support for the Captivate and I prefer Amoleds to the Atrix's display. Download speeds are disappointing too, considering it's supposed to be 4g. The Captivate gets faster speedtest results. Atrix's Hd video playback for mkv files is really choppy and embarrasing for a dual core phone. My recommendation would be to hold out for the S2. Quadrant scores aren't that impressive considering a single core Nexus S is on par with the Atrix. Quadrant Score for Atrix is in the 2500s where as the Nexus S was in the low 2000s untouched. I'm trying to give the Atrix a fair trial, but for now it seems as though it will be returned. I'll be waiting for the S2 or the Infuse.
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I have the Atrix and the Captivate. I am happier with my Captivate than with my Atrix. Although I do like the power the Atrix has but I prefer the media support for the Captivate and I prefer Amoleds to the Atrix's display. Download speeds are disappointing too, considering it's supposed to be 4g. The Captivate gets faster speedtest results. Atrix's Hd video playback for mkv files is really choppy and embarrasing for a dual core phone. My recommendation would be to hold out for the S2. Quadrant scores aren't that impressive considering a single core Nexus S is on par with the Atrix. Quadrant Score for Atrix is in the 2500s where as the Nexus S was in the low 2000s untouched. I'm trying to give the Atrix a fair trial, but for now it seems as though it will be returned. I'll be waiting for the S2 or the Infuse.
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Im returning my atrix. Im running serendipity 5.11 on my cap and I noticed that motoblur is far slower than my cap, I use launcher pro also. I don't care about the screen (its a phone and its plenty crisp an image, I have a laptop and a desktop for quality.)
I didn't test the gps. I thought the camera over all wasn't as good as the cap, but thays probably a software issue not hardware. Though its disappointing that companies (samsung included) release these phone and advertise and price them as the next best thing while including hardware, I.e. camera sensor, That has been around for a while already and is subpar to some phone that are a year old already.
It obvioulsy performs tasks quicker than the captivate because of the dual core, but I don't see the benefits yet, I can wait.
I will wait until there are hacks if I really want it but for now the price att wants does not support the benefits. The real reason to get one is the dock and they've made that so expensive and trying to call it tethering using the dock when its all phone is dumb. I was told buy my friends at att tell me I can't keep my unlimited and add tethering either.(edit, clarify, I can't add tethering if I want to keep my unlimited plan, its one or the other)
Over all, im not impressed. But im sure it will get better with updates. Im gonna stick it out for a while with the cap and see what happens. I may give the new htc one a go first, its not faster than the cap, but its got a bigger screen and camera sensor so....
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See the GPS thread. THE ATRIX GPS WORKS!
Cappy doesn't. Atrix does.
Yeah, it really is that simple. Cappy is a little slimmer and lighter and has a nice bright screen--but who cares if the GPS will never work? And after two or three bogus fixes were issued and announced...who wants to wait and see?
And for the first time in all these years...a phone I've bought HAS A MESSAGE LIGHT! I can't tell you how nice a litle perq that is. Cappy doesn't have it.
Now, if they'd only put in a hole for a tether cord, because I'm often in places where a phone really doesn't want to get dropped.
Cappy gone. Hello Moto.
I have had 3 Captivates since they were released, and now I have an Atrix and Nexus One. Guess what, the Atrix is the best of all those. The Captivate is simply a garbage device, no way around it. No LED flash, no front facing camera, no LED notification, garbage GPS, slower, comes with trash TouchWiz, etc.
Rred said:
See the GPS thread. THE ATRIX GPS WORKS!
Cappy doesn't. Atrix does.
Yeah, it really is that simple. Cappy is a little slimmer and lighter and has a nice bright screen--but who cares if the GPS will never work? And after two or three bogus fixes were issued and announced...who wants to wait and see?
Cappy gone. Hello Moto.
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While I loved my Captivate, I must agree with you. Even with the best custom ROM for GPS (Paragon 6), GPS is hit or miss. Side by side, my wife's iPhone 4 and my Samsung Focus get a GPS lock much faster than the Captivate in difficult situations (indoors, cloudy day etc). I hope that the Atrix is better at this.
Another issue with the Captivate was battery life, which I hope the Atrix will be better at. Cheers.
MrTrunks said:
My sister will give me her upgrade if I give her my Captivate. I use Cog 4 currently and I am happy with the device except gps.
If anyone jumped from Captivate to Atrix, what are your thoughts.
I'm also debating on just waiting for GS2 for AT&T.
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The gps with Cog 4 is so much better than it has ever been since the Captivate came out. It locks on pretty quick and it's pretty accurate on location as well. My gps never worked until now.
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The gps with Cog 4 is so much better than it has ever been since the Captivate came out. It locks on pretty quick and it's pretty accurate on location as well. My gps never worked until now.
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People say that every time, but yet it's still the same. It's a hardware issues plain and simple.
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People say that every time, but yet it's still the same. It's a hardware issues plain and simple.
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Yep. Regardless of ROM, my GPS on every Captivate I have owned has been entirely broken. 10+ minutes in an open parking lot, no signal lock. Atrix locks in my car in 5 seconds.
I made the same change from the Captivate to Atrix. Overall I've had a good experience with the Atrix. My biggest complaint at this point is Moto Blur. It's just crap. IF you decide to get the Atrix just be prepared for the different screen. The Amoled screen is better than the screen on the Atrix. I do miss that a little bit. But then I dock it on the Lapdock and forget all about it
I got an atrix on day one on day two i boxed it back up am taking it back monday. After samoled i cold not take that screen. It was simply horrible to me. I am going to wait to see what samsung, htc, and apple bring out this summer.
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I'm in the same boat, and from what I've been reading in these forums, people don't seem all that incredibly happy with the Atrix. I'm planning on waiting for the Galaxy S 2 myself. I don't know if I can deal with a non-SAMOLED screen now that I've had one!
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Hmm; have you compared the two side by side? The Atrix is a lot clearer and has a higher resolution.
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I have switched as well and I love the phone. Very fast, great life, and better durability.
I'm going to be ordering a case in a few hours and getting the laptop dock in a few days.
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Atrix is a wonderful experience, especially compared to the Captivate which was horrible, especially after loading in all of my apps the Captivate just froze with everything....the Atrix flies! Get Launcher Pro and forget Motoblur, it sucks.
I thought about it. I work for the Shack an get a pretty good discount on the atrix but I am simply in love with my captivate. Love the amoled. Love the huge selection of custom roms. The phone is extremely snappy running paragon. I am just 100% satisfied with the captivate.
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What about someone coming from a uk dhd, nexus s.... then a telus dhd.... my current desire hd, having hspa.... is great IMO, battery life could be better, but I have an extra battery...
Oh well, it will be here in 10 days, I guess that will decide all... but it is going to have to be great.... to make me ditch my dhd running cm7!
I'm torn in this decision too. I currently have a Nexus One and a Captivate. I was really thinking of selling the Captivate and getting either the Inspire or the Atrix. I messed around with both for about an hour and can honestly say I was a little let down by the Atrix. I really want to like this phone but I personally think the screen compared to the Captivate is just plain dull. Yeah, it has a higher res screen and I can appreciate that. BUT, the colors on the SAMOLED have spoiled me. I don't know what to do. The performance with a live wallpaper on my friend's Atrix was, frankly, pretty dang lousy for a phone that everyone has been raving about in terms of its speed. With a regular wallpaper the phone is certainly faster but it still didn't just blow me away. Also, the plastic build materials left a sour taste. Again, I really want to like this phone. I guess I'll check it out again and maybe have a change of heart. Anyone else think the way I do as far as the screen?
I have prepared this thread to help myself and others compare and contrast the different phones and hopefully come to a decision here. If anyone has anything to add to the comparison that I have missed, please list it and we can get it all chocked up.
For the record. I have only listed something as a "Disadvantage" if I believe that the category is below what we would expect of the average Android.
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Battery Life - This is a big thing for me. I can make my vibrant last through a 14 hour day by crippling every single possible feature. But people here are saying that the Atrix runs solid though 30 hour periods. This is a huge plus for me.
Higher Resolution (even if its fake) - Even though this resolution is fake and can actually cause text to blur, I can say first-hand that I saw the screen in action at a local wal-mart and found it to be acceptable by my standards. I think it may help overall with browsing. The GS2 has a larger screen size, and no pentile matrix display, which could possibly be considered better. This is one that may work out to be a tie.
Tegra 2 - I list this as an advantage not because it is faster, the various benchmarks for either processor seem to be inconclusive at this point. I am listing it as an advantage because it has its own series of games optimized specifically for it, and because Google has chosen to build their framework around tegra 2.
Webtop - I am initially hesitant to even mention this. The phone has a webtop environment, it is most likely Debian Linux and it is said to also be very sluggish. If, in the future, devs gain access to this environment and find ways to optimize it and add in worthy apps such as Chrome and open office, then this will be a massive advantage, but right now it is pretty much just a gimmick.
The webtop interface retains its session when you disconnect it. So you can plug the phone back into another dock and go right back to what you were doing. This is one of the good things about webtop.
Laptop Dock - We all know it is hideously overpriced right now and maybe in the future a cheaper solution will be available. But regardless of how you get the dock, it is an advantage to run your apps in full screen, even if you don't use the sluggish webtop interface and firefox.
The dock charges your phone, but plays sound through your atrix speakers, it has no speakers of it's own, you can answer calls by removing the phone, picking it up on bluetooth or by just yelling at it from behind the laptop. The phone retains its session when you remove it and there is no special unmounting procedure, you just grab it and run.
GALAXY S2
Screen - Bright beautiful and extremely rich. Those who have seen the screen firsthand have claimed that there is nothing like it at all and that it is miles above even the old Super Amoled display. The 4.3 inch size is also a bonus for those of us with large hands. This is probably the best overall feature of the Galaxy S2.
Camera - 8 Megapixels, and 2 megapixel front facing camera. People say that megapixels don't really matter in the long run but the Atrix camera is also said to have a purple wash to it and that the video can be splotchy in certain situations.
Design - Even though it looks way too much like the iPhone, this phone actually looks exceptionally nice. I like the three button design much better than the 4, the search button is pretty useless overall. The thinness of this phone is also amazing if you are into that sort of thing. Naturally it may come down to the US carriers to ruin the design, but by it will likely be summer before that happens.
32GB internal storage - Expect to pay for it, but it is there, you get 64 gigs total with this phone.
Gingerbread - The Atrix won't likely get gingerbread until at least this summer, this phone will have it much sooner if you get the international version coming sometime this quarter.
Gyroscope - This phone has it, do any apps support it? Not sure, but it is there.
NFC - In the off chance that any stores upgrade to NFC this year, you will have the ability to use it. NFC may have other uses that we haven't envisioned yet. It is a protocol, so it can be applied to just about anything. You could potentially set it up to unlock your home, cars could start with it, whatever.
So it has a lot of potential use other than having your money stolen from you.
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ATRIX
Bootloader - To sum it up for those not familiar, the phone can be rooted, a custom ROM can be flashed, but the kernel cannot be altered at all. (someone will likely correct me here) but if part or all of the webtop code is contained in the kernel somehow it will be difficult to alter it to add new software or make it run more efficiently. This would be a terrible shame.
I can tell you that Team Whiskey has made my Vibrant browse faster than I have seen in Atrix videos, with half the memory and a single core processor. It is scary to think of what this phone could actually accomplish if Moto decided to allow it.
Motoblur - I read that this requires you to sign up for an account before you can even use the phone. I find it alarming that Motorola has decided to help themselves to all this information and it makes me wonder just exactly what they really have access to and why.
Crippled FM radio - WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY. All of these phones have both transmitters and receivers for FM. So can someone tell me why in god's name anyone would disable them? FM radio has many more uses than just listening to local stations and why again should I have to burn my limited data on
internet radio when there is a receiver right in my phone?
GALAXY S2
Heat - My current Galaxy S runs very hot already, if the screen is active while the phone is being charged it will heat up to what seems to be a very dangerous temperature. The pre-release Galaxy S2 was said to be scorching hot after running with the screen on and the charger active.
Fail File System, Hideous and crippling lag - Update: the galaxy S2 is said to not use RFS. Chock one up for Samsung.
Updates - Samsung has a horrible reputation for updates when working with US carriers, even for new phones. If it was not for this community I would have likely given up on Android and Samsung altogether. Although I know that part of the update delay has been t-mobile, it is also in Samsung's interests to ship out new phones instead of updating their old ones.
Battery Life I have a feeling that Samsung tried to push the limits to get their phone to be as thin as possible and I am worried that they have done so at the expense of battery life. We won't know for sure until it gets in people's hands but I expect the battery life to be subpar.
NO HID Bluetooth Support (possibly) - I have had a black wiimote sitting here for 6 months waiting to connect to my Vibrant. I love emulated classics but action games are near impossible to play with the on-screen kb. So if you want this feature, I would make sure that the GS2 has it first, because it is not likely that it will.
Availability - What it really comes down to now. Unless you want to shell out over 1000 for the phone, you will probably need to wait 5 months from now for any kind of US availability this summer. And don't doubt that those versions will become crippled and even more bloated in the process. But again there is no locked bootloader here.
Ok I think that covers it. Having written all this down, I think I am really leaning more toward the Atrix. There just doesn't seem to be anything else out there now that will be able to match it at the moment. And as you can see, our experience with Samsung has not been exceptional.
Good comparison there. I am also looking at the exact 2 models and thank you very much, looks like Atrix will too be my choice.
I guess I'll get the atrix laptop dock too and prays for the devs here to make it all better. Otherwise, I think its still a good piece of hardware I don't mind owning.
""Samsung's dual-core, Gingerbread-powered Galaxy S II has appeared on Play.co.uk alongside a tentative SIM-free price and release date. According to Play, which is currently taking pre-orders for the phone, it'll ship Mar. 31 for £599.99 (~$960). Pre-release prices are never guaranteed to be accurate and are always subject to change, but £599 seams like a realistic price point for the Galaxy S II, as it's slightly higher than current single-core offerings from other manufacturers.""
Just published at androidcentral. £599.99 (~$960)?? Get a grip..
Not bad, just a couple of things to note that I thought of while reading. First, the screen resolution can be arguable considering the Pentile screen that the Atrix uses. That gives the SGS2 more sub pixels, but then it's a bigger screen, so less (I believe) pixel density still... it's really kind of a toss up, but I think they will both look great. I think the lower resolution and bigger screen on the SGS2 will look just fine with the full 3 subpixels per pixel.
Also, the SGS2 looks nothing like an iPhone. I wish people would stop saying that about every phone that comes out. Apparently every square black phone with a screen is an iPhone now.
And also it's been reported that the SGS2 does not use RFS.
The Galaxy S2 looks like a great phone, but even as much as I hate Motorola's implementation of the lockdown...I can't *STAND* Samsung for updates. They've promised up and down that they would release updates for every phone since Android came out, and they've delivered on about 3 of those promises...out of probably 20. They are *HORRIBLE* at updating devices and they don't even apologize when they cancel. I would *never* buy a Samsung on the hopes that it would get an updated OS.
As for the screens, I don't really notice much of a difference. I'm a pretty severe audiophile and videophile and although I can tell a difference it's absolutely not enough to make me go with one phone over another. I'm coming from an iPhone 4 which has the best screen to date on a mobile phone...and even between that and my Atrix I barely see a difference. They're both fantastic screens.
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The Galaxy S2 looks like a great phone, but even as much as I hate Motorola's implementation of the lockdown...I can't *STAND* Samsung for updates. They've promised up and down that they would release updates for every phone since Android came out, and they've delivered on about 3 of those promises...out of probably 20. They are *HORRIBLE* at updating devices and they don't even apologize when they cancel. I would *never* buy a Samsung on the hopes that it would get an updated OS.
As for the screens, I don't really notice much of a difference. I'm a pretty severe audiophile and videophile and although I can tell a difference it's absolutely not enough to make me go with one phone over another. I'm coming from an iPhone 4 which has the best screen to date on a mobile phone...and even between that and my Atrix I barely see a difference. They're both fantastic screens.
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The updates aren't really an issue for people who visit sites like this. I would never rely on Samsung to update my phone. My Captivate has been running 2.2 for ages while they just released the update for everyone else. Yes, Samsung sucks at updating, but the hacking community will always get it done regardless.
I must be the only one, but i use the search hotkey absolutely all the time. I love it and I realize that you can hold menu for the same effect on the SGS2, but i'd prefer to have the 4th hotkey than their ugly stupid home button. It is not an iPhone, embrace uniqueness samsung.
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I must be the only one, but i use the search hotkey absolutely all the time. I love it and I realize that you can hold menu for the same effect on the SGS2, but i'd prefer to have the 4th hotkey than their ugly stupid home button. It is not an iPhone, embrace uniqueness samsung.
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I really miss the hardware home key! The orientation of the 4 buttons makes it a bit awkward to thumb navigate since its so close to the bottom. Its actually one of the things about the sgs2 that is making me think twice about my atrix. Despite how much I love it.
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I really miss the hardware home key! The orientation of the 4 buttons makes it a bit awkward to thumb navigate since its so close to the bottom. Its actually one of the things about the sgs2 that is making me think twice about my atrix. Despite how much I love it.
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I wouldn't mind if the buttons were hardware, thats another debate. I just want all four of them!
The back button is beyond crucial. Maybe back and home should be two hardware with the other capacitive? For symmetry, obviously a concern for samsung .
I definitely want the new Galaxy S 2. I've heard that the Atrix was a huge let down. I used to own a Captivate and I loved everything about it except the ****ty build quality and lack of flash for the camera. It was so smooth with voodoo and custom roms. The Galaxy S 2 will have an amazing screen and I think it will do average on battery consumption. Just my 2 cents
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I definitely want the new Galaxy S 2. I've heard that the Atrix was a huge let down. I used to own a Captivate and I loved everything about it except the ****ty build quality and lack of flash for the camera. It was so smooth with voodoo and custom roms. The Galaxy S 2 will have an amazing screen and I think it will do average on battery consumption. Just my 2 cents
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****ty build quality? Like hardware wise? I personally think the Captivate is the nicest of all of the Galaxy S phones. The hardware itself has been absolutely wonderful for me. The software quality leaves a lot to be desired from a stock standpoint though.
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****ty build quality? Like hardware wise? I personally think the Captivate is the nicest of all of the Galaxy S phones. The hardware itself has been absolutely wonderful for me. The software quality leaves a lot to be desired from a stock standpoint though.
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The plastic build was a huge downgrade for me, especially coming from a beautiful iPhone 4. I'm much happier with the Inspire 4G now though. HTC Sense is amazing and super smooth, and HTC build quality is great. The phone feels ultra solid.
SGS2 is apparently RFS-free. Also, some versions will have Tegra2 instead of Exynos - hope this includes us.
People knock Samsung's plastic designs, but they're actually a lot harder to break than the "well-built" iPhone 4.
Very good write up man, these are the posts that I like to see.
By looking at my signature, you can see that I just got the Atrix as well, and I love the phone. Amazingly fast, awesome screen (love the higher density and the effect itbhas on the overall experience), and the battery is pretty good too.
I'm seriously thinking about buying the laptop dock, but I don't know how well that will perform, and I haven't seen any live videos of it.
I really like the design and specs of the GS 2, but there are a lot of possible problems holding me back....
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FLAC Vest said:
Very good write up man, these are the posts that I like to see.
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Thanks a lot, bro.
I am no engineer and I can't build tools. But I can put a few thoughts together and provide someone with some information.
This is an amazing community and what people do here is outstanding, I just want to do what I can to add to that.
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The plastic build was a huge downgrade for me, especially coming from a beautiful iPhone 4. I'm much happier with the Inspire 4G now though. HTC Sense is amazing and super smooth, and HTC build quality is great. The phone feels ultra solid.
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S2 looks like meizu m9
I have both and a Galaxy S 2 on order
Why? I really liked the Captivate. My plan was to use both but the Atrix is so much more fun to use I'm selling the Captivate. Well, maybe. Maybe not.
Yesterday after I removed the SIM card and replaced it, the Atrix went bonkers with freezes and instability issues. After numerous soft resets, two factory resets and replacing the SIM card, SD card and battery a couple of times it seems to be back to normal. I suspect I had reinserted the SIM card incorrectly but maybe there was another issue.
So why would I pay $1000 for the Galaxy S 2? The Captivate was that much fun. Although I'm sure we will be able to do more custom rom's shortly on the Atrix, the Galaxy S 2 sounds like an even bigger blast than either. And boy oh boy does that LG 3D look interesting. But you have to draw the line somewhere.
Here is what the Atrix has that the Captivate does not:
1-better graphics and screen quality, dynamic and vivid visuals, a joy to read and watch (text as well as video quality is sharp and crisp, very clear)
2-more interactive features with outside devices (i.e. computers)
3-interacts more efficiently with e mail, voice and text programs (really like the way it handles multiple incoming calls especially when you are already on one-notification, instructions and directions for handling)(I can now actually use Excel spreadsheets and Word documents) (works well with contacts)
4-updated browser can handle more types of video content and pop up windows better
5-it feels better when you hold and talk or watch or do most anything with it (I did make one call and even though I could hear the other party clearly they could not hear me-I do not what happened.)
My friends all tell me I should get an iphone. I had one for years and the Androids are far more fun. I'll never return. I don't think. LG 3D anyone?
I think Tegra2 is actually a disadvantage for Atrix 4G.
As a new generation dualcore processor, it's early, but not strong.
It's video playback ability of H.264 is limited, but H.264 is currently the most frequently played format.
It has no neon support, big loss on processing power.
Till now Tegra2 has not proven itself in Graphics power. In benchmarks it's no superior to Hummingbird.
However the performance of Mali400MP on GS2 is also questionable, so just wait and see...
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The Galaxy S2 looks like a great phone, but even as much as I hate Motorola's implementation of the lockdown...I can't *STAND* Samsung for updates. They've promised up and down that they would release updates for every phone since Android came out, and they've delivered on about 3 of those promises...out of probably 20. They are *HORRIBLE* at updating devices and they don't even apologize when they cancel. I would *never* buy a Samsung on the hopes that it would get an updated OS.
As for the screens, I don't really notice much of a difference. I'm a pretty severe audiophile and videophile and although I can tell a difference it's absolutely not enough to make me go with one phone over another. I'm coming from an iPhone 4 which has the best screen to date on a mobile phone...and even between that and my Atrix I barely see a difference. They're both fantastic screens.
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+1 great post!
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The plastic build was a huge downgrade for me, especially coming from a beautiful iPhone 4. I'm much happier with the Inspire 4G now though. HTC Sense is amazing and super smooth, and HTC build quality is great. The phone feels ultra solid.
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See, I don't understand that. There is far less plastic on the Captivate than the majority of the phones out there. The front is all glass, and the back is mostly metal. It's only the top and bottom on the back that are plastic, and they have both felt very solid to me since I got the phone on launch day. I came from an iPhone 4 as well, and granted nothing compares to the iPhone 4 in build quality, the Captivate definitely doesn't seem bad at all to me.
As long as you're happy with what you have now though, that's what matters. I just think the Inspire is a bit of a waste of money considering it's lack of power compared to all the other phones coming out now. It feels like it's last generation still. I did play with it a little at the AT&T store though, and it seemed nice. If it had come out last summer with the Captivate (even if it didn't have 4G), I might have gotten it. Now I'm going to wait until a dual core offering I like though.