So I'm positive everyone see's this question all the time. But they always judge it on the stock phones. Well I'm looking to get one of these phones, but to ROOT them. Which one do you believe I should get and why? I'm also looking into battery life even though buying an extended battery isn't a problem. Also which rom do you think is best for your pick? Thanks in advance.
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Epic 4g
Froyo= SyndicateROM Frozen 1.2
Gingerbread= AnonymousROM i3
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your second PWNED
LOL ^ 4th
Btw, I'd choose Epic over Shift.
You don't need more answers lol, just the 1st post, wait! And 2nd... yeah your going to need the 2nd one also.
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I would bet that the Epic would perform better and imo the keyboard is also better. Epic is easily rooted and has a nicer display. Easy pick.
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The epic pretty much is an all around better phone
An argument could be made on the SW side, but that falls by the wayside if you are not staying stock
Mainly, the EVO Shift is simply missing to many top level hardware items, that make it a upper mid range phone rather than the top tier the Epic is
I was faced with the same question when I bought not long ago.
Screen size favors Epic (4.0" - 3.6" That's a significant difference in Real Estate)
Screen brightness favors Epic (Samsungs Super AMOLED easily tops anything HTC has IMO)
Keyboard favors Epic (the larger size of the phone spaces the keys better, Epic has 5 rows including dedicated number row)
Processor favors the Epic (1.0 Ghz Hummingbird - 800 Mhz Snapdragon)
I believe rated battery stock time is 5.50 hrs for Epic to 6.00 for Shift.
Epic has front facing camera (which I never use, but some people do I'm sure)
The list goes on, but you can google other features.
As far as Flashing ROMs, I am NOT really tech savvy, but after reading through these forums I was not only able to root the phone quickly, but flashing was simple and I have found the ROMs I've used to be stable and functional with very few bugs. Can't beat that.
Epic, all the way.
Epic. Who ever choosed shift needs a swift kick in the wallnuts.
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So I'm positive everyone see's this question all the time. But they always judge it on the stock phones. Well I'm looking to get one of these phones, but to ROOT them. Which one do you believe I should get and why? I'm also looking into battery life even though buying an extended battery isn't a problem. Also which rom do you think is best for your pick? Thanks in advance.
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Even though i love my epic i would go with the shift because it has locked gps in a few seconds and capable of overclocking to 2.0Ghz and 1.6Ghz stable.
Its fun to use but i like epic 4g because of its screen. and Samsung is Easy to manipulate and easy to use like rooting and all that stuff.
But now its easy to get the Shift rooted in all.
I just like the bigger screen and AMOLED is deal breaker. i went with the shift at 1st because Samsung pissed me off as well as thousands more, with a certain phone.
Thanks everybody for your answers .. I'm leaning towards the Epic now.
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Even though i love my epic i would go with the shift because it has locked gps in a few seconds and capable of overclocking to 2.0Ghz and 1.6Ghz stable.
Its fun to use but i like epic 4g because of its screen. and Samsung is Easy to manipulate and easy to use like rooting and all that stuff.
But now its easy to get the Shift rooted in all.
I just like the bigger screen and AMOLED is deal breaker. i went with the shift at 1st because Samsung pissed me off as well as thousands more, with a certain phone.
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Yeah .. I'm leaning more towards the Epic though just because of the screen and 5 row keyboard.. But the thing I heard is that the Epic phones screen black out all the time, and I'm not going to have insurance or be on Sprint (flashing) .. And the HTC build quality is superior to Samsung. So I'm stuck.. any more suggestions?
I figured I would post this here, even though I also placed it in the troll thread, as it was having the same discussion
I haven't heard of the Epic screens blacking out, but mine has held up beyond belief, even after facing harsh abuse.
IMO, it is a not a "power/speed" issue that makes the EVO Shift a lesser phone, but the overall lack of top end hardware features, and those CAN'T be modded in later
Here are several reviews with the conclusions, as well as links to the original reviews, and the Epic is not just a winner, but a CLEAR winner in every case.
From Techd
You don’t have to imagine how two Android smartphones would perform when pitted against one another, as the folks at WireFly have done the deed. Pitting HTC EVO Shift 4G against the Samsung Epic 4G, the latter wins out big time.
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So, it seems like the EVO Shift 4G did admirably well for some basic processes, but stumbled badly when it comes to complex 3G graphics. But then again, it has a lower running processor than the Epic 4G with only 800MHz — though that’s not the end all be all performance measurement.
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4G Phone Fight: Evo Shift Battles Epic 4G
Avatar for Brian Barrett Brian Barrett —4G Phone Fight: Evo Shift Battles Epic 4G Let's say you want a 4G phone, because 4 is one more G than your current phone has. If you're deciding between Sprint's finest—the HTC Evo Shift and the Samsung Epic 4G—you're gonna want to watch this.
Both phones are sliders, both are on the same network, and by outward appearances seem pretty much identical. But! The Epic 4G, it turns out, is packing way more horses under the hood. As it should, considering it costs almost twice as much as the Shift.
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From Brighthub
The Winner
Unlike other previous battles such as the HTC Thunderbolt vs. Motorola Droid Bionic battle, Samsung Epic 4Gthe HTC EVO Shift 4G vs. Samsung Epic 4G battle seems to have a pretty clear cut winner. The Samsung Epic 4G, even though it came out first, has huge advantages when it comes to display, and features while the HTC EVO Shift 4G manages to win a slight edge in design and software. Overall the advantages of the Samsung Epic 4G are too big to ignore and it easily comes out on top in this battle of 4G keyboard slider smartphones on Sprint.
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heres the thing though Shift is running 2nd Gen Snap. And even @ 800Mhz it pulls double score than Epic @1Ghz both on froyo.
Then Shift on 2.3 just blows the sh*t outta the Epic.
Newer Technology is better.
Older Technology is Wiser.
But in the end its all down to personal preference.
Just mess with both phones see what you really like and want.
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heres the thing though Shift is running 2nd Gen Snap. And even @ 800Mhz it pulls double score than Epic @1Ghz both on froyo.
Then Shift on 2.3 just blows the sh*t outta the Epic.
Newer Technology is better.
Older Technology is Wiser.
But in the end its all down to personal preference.
Just mess with both phones see what you really like and want.
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But official GB is just around the corner for the Epic (and already available if rooted). So with that, its still weigted twords the Epic imo.
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Thanks everybody for your answers .. I'm leaning towards the Epic now.
Yeah .. I'm leaning more towards the Epic though just because of the screen and 5 row keyboard.. But the thing I heard is that the Epic phones screen black out all the time, and I'm not going to have insurance or be on Sprint (flashing) .. And the HTC build quality is superior to Samsung. So I'm stuck.. any more suggestions?
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Never had my screen go black or anything at all for that matter, but that would be covered by manufactures warranty I think.
The screen is amazing.
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shawayne21 said:
Thanks everybody for your answers .. I'm leaning towards the Epic now.
Yeah .. I'm leaning more towards the Epic though just because of the screen and 5 row keyboard.. But the thing I heard is that the Epic phones screen black out all the time, and I'm not going to have insurance or be on Sprint (flashing) .. And the HTC build quality is superior to Samsung. So I'm stuck.. any more suggestions?
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What do you mean goes black out? like the power saving feature? you can set the timer on that...
As for build quality..who told you HTC phones have better build quality? that is a myth created because the samsung phones feel so light..the build quality is top notch, not to mention Gorilla Glass..
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heres the thing though Shift is running 2nd Gen Snap. And even @ 800Mhz it pulls double score than Epic @1Ghz both on froyo.
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What scores? don't tell me quadrant/linpack...
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What do you mean goes black out? like the power saving feature? you can set the timer on that...
As for build quality..who told you HTC phones have better build quality? that is a myth created because the samsung phones feel so light..the build quality is top notch, not to mention Gorilla Glass..
What scores? don't tell me quadrant/linpack...
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SmartBench 2010 and other various benchmarks but Quadrant does pull higher but thats not point. the point is its newer technology 45nm instead of 65nm.
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I currently have a Moment (and it sucks: which is why I don't want an Epic yet alone another Samsung).
I'm wanting a new phone that can handle 3d games without lagging.
I have heard that the new Evo Shift will have the same 800mhz chip that is in the new G2. That chip has been overclocked to a stable 1.6ghz and getting over 3000 in Quadrant.
Also the other rumor is that the Shift will have an upgraded GPU. Which is even better.
Honestly the 3.8" screen isn't that much smaller than the screen on the Evo. It could be the perfect size.
Plus it has a physical keyboard.
Truthfully, it sounds like I already made up my mind. But I guess I have to wait until specs and reviews are out for this phone.
Anyone else getting this Shift over an Evo?
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If the 3D gaming is that important, and it was concerning the two, than sure I think most would suggest the Shift.
But at this point I'd also suggest seeing what's on the horizon and truth be told Sprint doesn't have the grandest selection but I can see that changing. Some big **** around the corner, but if now - or soon - a new phone is needed and that's what your primary concern is, then the Shift probably your best bet.
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CES is coming up this week, I believe, so I'd hold off and see what news comes out of there. Might be something sweet coming down the pipe. We'll have to see.
Ohh! Ohhh! Get Both The evo for now and the shift when it comes out
because you want games...
then EVO Shift is for you!
I need the bigger screen. It dont sound like much... but when you put them side by side... it is a big difference!
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because you want games...
then EVO Shift is for you!
I need the bigger screen. It dont sound like much... but when you put them side by side... it is a big difference!
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True. But the super amoled screen of the epic is awesome. I actually like that than the evo. It really is all up to what the final specs are off the Shift.
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if gaming is what you want, shift could be for you. do not get the shift for the keyboard. i can type faster on swype than i ever could with a slide out. you might not think .4 inches is much, but the evo screen is much bigger than the shift screen. i'd look at both side by side and see.
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Personally, I would wait for something else all together.
Something with a better processor & gpu. This summer should have what you're looking for (although maybe not from HTC).
If you want games then, as said, the Shift is probably for you.
As for physical keyboards, overrated. When I had a Samsung Intercept while my EVO was being "serviced" by Best Buy I only used it because the touch screen was so useless on that thing.
Typing on the EVO is awesome. Keys are bigger than any slide out since the screen is so big. It all comes to preference though.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/01/02/sprints-htc-evo-shift-4g-specs-leak-online/
some more specs have been released...
I am considering it.
I want a front facing camera... and 8meg camera.
i want to hear about the CPU/GPU and RAM.
can I live with 3.7" vs my current EVO 4.3"??
what are your thoughts on the dev community for this phone?
The EVO has so much more activity before it was released. And the Dev community is great on the EVO.
Latest spoiler from a feed that I'm subscribed to only has this Shift with a 5 mega-pixel camera not 8 and no front camera.
If this is true then I will not get this phone. I'll buy a pair of EVO's off eBay and save my upgrades for something better.
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Why not consider the epic. You had an old samsung phone that sucked? Well I had an old htc phone that sucked 2 years ago, but all phones are different.
The samsung galaxy s line is really fast, and with the new ext4 mod on the epic, its crazy fast, like nexus s fast.
If you care about a keyboard, gaming, and camera quality the epic will be as good as or better than the shift.
And don't fall into the mega pixel trap when comparing cameras. The evo camera aint great and video sucks. The shift will be just like the tmobile g2, which is very good. Finally the epic takes pictures and video that rival the iphone in quality, which is to say the best in class for cellphones. With the epic , you can leave your digital camera at home.
Really do a thorough comparison of the epic and evo shift in person before you decide. Don't let yourself be fooled by differnces in 2.1 vs 2.2 software or touchwiz vs sense. You will have changed all your software in a week anyway with xda.
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Why not consider the epic. You had an old samsung phone that sucked? Well I had an old htc phone that sucked 2 years ago, but all phones are different.
The samsung galaxy s line is really fast, and with the new ext4 mod on the epic, its crazy fast, like nexus s fast.
If you care about a keyboard, gaming, and camera quality the epic will be as good as or better than the shift.
And don't fall into the mega pixel trap when comparing cameras. The evo camera aint great and video sucks. The shift will be just like the tmobile g2, which is very good. Finally the epic takes pictures and video that rival the iphone in quality, which is to say the best in class for cellphones. With the epic , you can leave your digital camera at home.
Really do a thorough comparison of the epic and evo shift in person before you decide. Don't let yourself be fooled by differnces in 2.1 vs 2.2 software or touchwiz vs sense. You will have changed all your software in a week anyway with xda.
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LOL difference is everyone was hesitant to jump back on with Samsung, and for good reason. At least these people that were nervous can sleep easy knowing they were right and that Samsung hasn't done much to change the tune others sing. And when the day arrives that I leave my digitial camera at home and rely SOLELY on a phone ... well, heck, that probably wont happen for a while. I've seen pictures taken with a crappy old 3mp digital cam that look crisper and better in every sense of the word.
Samsung dropped the ball, Epic has nice hardware but they don't compare to HTC. And HTC may not have a perfect track record in the past but they have definitely stepped it up lately.
The Galaxy S phones have been pretty down the middle, some good to go with all that bad.
edit; don't want to discount the fact that the Epic is a decent phone, will be the 3rd best Sprint offering (Whoa - never thought I'd give Sprint props like that) but it should at least "irk" you, and maybe not you directly, with how the whole Galaxy S phones have been handled. Especially with all the talk of Android not getting updates and Samsung support being piss poor. 2.1 treats it fine, my buddies epic flies sure but Touchwiz is horrid and the state of support or lack thereof should be the straw that breaks the camels back or however the hell that goes. I couldn't see anyone honestly suggesting the Epic over the Shift though, as was my point. And the Mega pixel jab, that was true and maybe a low blow but when people hear someone saying "this camera ownz leave dat digi at home, homeboi" it only sets people up for disappointment. Truly and honestly. That's a slight(ly bogus) exaggeration. If not, you must not possess a decent shooter. And no, I'm not talking about the one on the back of the phone.
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Get the shift
i know 3.8 doesn't sound much smaller, but when you see them side by side the difference is significant. if I was buying a phone now is go with the 4.3” HTC Thunderbolt coming out in a few days on Verizon.
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epic... is good.
but there are things that just add up.. to point me away from the epic.
these things have been discussed many times.
I just want to point out 1 thing.... the backing of HTC products in XDA and other forums by Devs. the choices !!!!!!
that is top of my list for any phone.
Check out this review of the evo shift:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZET2gMKAH2U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
As you can see from side by side pictures the screen is incredible small against the EVO generation 1. I would agree with the others, wait for CES, i'm sure sprint have a EVO 2 around the corner, after using a 4.3 inch screen i don't want to go down to smaller, just my opinion. To me the shift might be a little bit better for gaming, albeit it's not a HUGE step up. If it had the hummingbird cpu i would say get it, but even now dual cpus moving in, so just try to be patient, because in the long run you will regret it, especially if you're on contract.
[edit] http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/sprint-trots-out-htc-evo-shift-4g-and-new-3g-4g-mifi-from-nova/ - And it has no FFC sorry to bust your bubbles lol.
mykenyc said:
Check out this review of the evo shift:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZET2gMKAH2U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
As you can see from side by side pictures the screen is incredible small against the EVO generation 1. I would agree with the others, wait for CES, i'm sure sprint have a EVO 2 around the corner, after using a 4.3 inch screen i don't want to go down to smaller, just my opinion. To me the shift might be a little bit better for gaming, albeit it's not a HUGE step up. If it had the hummingbird cpu i would say get it, but even now dual cpus moving in, so just try to be patient, because in the long run you will regret it, especially if you're on contract.
[edit] http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/sprint-trots-out-htc-evo-shift-4g-and-new-3g-4g-mifi-from-nova/ - And it has no FFC sorry to bust your bubbles lol.
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Thanks for the links man, my wife has been smitten with the Evo Shift since I originally found leaked pics of it and she'll be excited to see a video of it being used. I've been trying to get her to wait to see what else comes out or to perhaps get a regular Evo but she is convinced she needs a keyboard (I felt the same way but now that I use Swype 99 times out of 100 I wish I had gotten an Evo and not an Epic but such is life). Anyways, I'm looking forward to reading the Evo Shift board and hope some of the veterans of the Evo board help out over there (assuming the similar form factor extends to the software architecture...Hey, I've got an epic and none of the related phones offer any software relatability lol)
EVO Shift 4G vs. Epic 4G
Which is the phone to get?
Why?
Title says it all.
Let the battle begin.
At this point I'd say shift simply because it has better chance of getting gingerbread..
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Research the hardware before you make a decision.
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for me Epic:
1)the Screen, colors are just awesome
2)the 5 row keyboard "numbers have their own row"
3)ffc, not that I use it but just in case -----specs I seen for Shift from www some have ffc and some don't, I am leaning Shift has no ffc
For me... Epic!!
From what I understand the screen on the shift is going to be 3.5inches? Correct me if I am wrong.. if the shift had the screen size of the epic/evo, I would be more then happy to go to that phone
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The Evo Shift has a 3.6 inch screen. DISQUALIFIED.
Also, hardware wise it falls short in every single respect doesn't it? The only positive is that its made by HTC and will actually get developer support, and has the EVO name so sprint might actually give a damn.
It depends on what you want. My wife wants the shift because its smaller. If it came down to specs id rather have the shift because it has the same amazkng processor as the g2.
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Shift...have you seen the fighting in the epic section....
Scent phrum mie fone!
id say shift cause its not made by samsung.......epic is a better phone in general though. at the end of the day at least you know the shift will get support.
If you can afford it, the epic. They're two entirely different classes of devices, with the epic being the better
It should be shift 4g vs the intercept
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Also, the shift 4g will probably be better supported softwarewise
But the epic is better in every respect hardware wise
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Also, the shift 4g will probably be better supported softwarewise
But the epic is better in every respect hardware wise
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You are 100% wrong. Please go research the desire z/g2 because I would die for that 800mhz processor. It blows our 1ghz without even trying. The epic wins in screen clarity. Some people will argue its size too but that is completely subjective. My wife hates the size of my epic but I love it. If the g2 proc came in a phone with 4+ inch samoled I would pay for it unsubsidized.
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I say the epic as long as your comfortable rootng and flashing your phone. I love the extra wide/tall keyboard with a number row. Given that i have to take lots of notes on my phone this is invaluable. I agree that the epic hardware is largely superior, though perhaps the build quality will be a bit better on a htc phone with the evo name. Almost surely the htc software will be tighter and more frequently updated. Ultimately its pretty close. i'd have to feel both in my hands befor i made the switch. One thing is the epic dev scene seems pretty hot and heavy right now.
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If you like to ***** and whine about how your phone doesn't have the latest software, even tho it's faster than most with it, the Epic is your choice.
If you like the latest software, decent hardware, big fuquadrant scores, and crappy camera quality, HTC is your choice.
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You are 100% wrong. Please go research the desire z/g2 because I would die for that 800mhz processor. It blows our 1ghz without even trying. The epic wins in screen clarity. Some people will argue its size too but that is completely subjective. My wife hates the size of my epic but I love it. If the g2 proc came in a phone with 4+ inch samoled I would pay for it unsubsidized.
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While the 800mhz processor in the desire z/g2 is nice..ours is still better....it may be A LOT better then the 1ghz one in the EVO but definitely not on par with ours...
That said is this thread in every forum and epic/shift section? lol
gTen said:
While the 800mhz processor in the desire z/g2 is nice..ours is still better....it may be A LOT better then the 1ghz one in the EVO but definitely not on par with ours...
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+1
the only thing I envy from the g2 is the software.
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+1
the only thing I envy from the g2 is the software.
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Agreed. Right now, the Hummingbird is the fastest of the ARM Cortex A8 processors, beating out clock for clock both the Snapdragon and OMAP platforms. Plus the graphics is substantially better.
The ARM Cortex A9 CPUs will yet again beat those. I'd recommend holding off if you're buying a new phone. Wait for the A9 parts to come out. The A9 CPUs will probably be the latest version until maybe late 2012 when the ARM Eagle CPUs begin to come out.
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for me Epic:
1)the Screen, colors are just awesome
2)the 5 row keyboard "numbers have their own row"
3)ffc, not that I use it but just in case -----specs I seen for Shift from www some have ffc and some don't, I am leaning Shift has no ffc
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1. Not only are the colors on the Epic just awesome, the EVO Shift is going to have a smaller screen.
3. EVO Shift does not have a front facing camera. I saw our advertising sheets for it yesterday.
Evo shift doesn't have S-amoled. Evo shift has a smaller screen (4" is my minimum"). Epic is just awesome.
Only thing is... if you like fast updates, that is a definite plus for HTC.
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Evo shift doesn't have S-amoled. Evo shift has a smaller screen (4" is my minimum"). Epic is just awesome.
Only thing is... if you like fast updates, that is a definite plus for HTC.
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This is the one major detractor for me. The big upside is how stable and powerful the 800mhz chip is; it has been overclocked to 1.9ghz in a stable rom. Of course, it gets hot but that is a more than doubling of the proc speed.
My upgrade comes through on March 1st.. I've looked into each of these phones with great detail. This is what I've come up with in a nutshell. And I want everyone's professional opinion as ill be using this phone for a year or two.. thx guys and gals..(is there a girl on xda yet? ;p)
Stock pros of shift: pocket friendly, higher quality exterior, possibly more support on xda, I heart HTC.
Stock pros of epic 4g: better battery life, amoled screen, front facing camera, video card for twice the gaming potential
Both are 99.00 on Amazon with upgrade eligibility (so is the evo, but I don't need a tablet just yet, 4" is quite enough for me) .. I use sprint im not switching its cheap.. I'd rather have a steak then slightly improved cell service. I have wifi at home anyways..
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My wife has a shift and I have an Epic. Her phone is more stable and her camera takes noticeably better pictures. The keyboard is also better on the shift as sometimes the keys skip on the Epic. As far as froyo is concerned it is much more stable on the Shift as well.
When on the shift section of xda I noticed a lot of people got the phone for their wives and not for themselves. They say games don't run as smoothe on the shift such as psx rom.games. and there is no phone on the market that I've layed my hands on that has a prettier screen than the epic. The colors are just plain and simply better. The phone isn't the eye catcher the epic is
I would go personally with the Epic in hopes of sprint and Samsung getting their act together and fixing the numerous bugs that are associated with it. You'll definetely have a love hate relationship with the epic but I believe in the long run you'll be better off with it.
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At this point id say wait for the next round of phones as there'll be dual core options. Also, my gil has the evo and i the epic and they are about the same size overall, not too much difference.
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At this point id say wait for the next round of phones as there'll be dual core options. Also, my gil has the evo and i the epic and they are about the same size overall, not too much difference.
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If you can wait for the next round of phones I would, since they'll probably be out this summer. If you can't, the Epic is a good phone. I'm currently on EB 13 and I did a fresh install and then loaded all of my apps manually. There's still problems with the sport mode in the camera, Time without signal (TWS) being high unless you do the airplane mode toggle, and the camcorder being a little sluggish in low light. These aren't deal breakers for me, because I don't really use the phone for low light recordings or sport mode and I'm fine toggling the airplane mode. However, it would be nice to have this fixed. I haven't experienced any of the other bugs people have claimed, so I'm still very happy with the performance of EB 13, but I'm not holding my breath for a fix. I mainly stay on EB 13 because the battery life for me is drastically better than 2.1 and the performance is no worst than 2.1. The screen is a lot better as well.
Like I said before, I hope they fix the problems, but I wouldn't buy a phone assuming they will......
IMO, it all boils down to this..
If you want a KB, get the Epic, if you don't get the EVO
The EVO shift is simply not a high end phone, no matter how it was marketed.
It is not a matter of speed, but just a lack of to many high end features.
I would really say it boils down to you really wanting to mod it I have an epic and I've been pretty happy with having it rommed to froyo until. Although some of the hardware glitches or software do kinda get annoying. I still think it's pretty descent.
The shift I'm assuming is a descent phone as well and I heard the keyboard is way better then epic, so it really comes down to preference I really think.
Best advice I can say is go to the sprint store and play with both of them for about 30 minutes, like literally 30 minutes.
I own both. Epic has a nicer screen and is faster for games. Shift seems to be better for literally everything else.
But if you like to tweak endlessly, Epic may be more your speed.
Epic by a gazillian times. The screen is simply amazing! And the gpu screams. Along froyo with ext filesystem, it even beats the super dual core tegra Atrix phone. Trust me... Epic is hands down best. I owned a Evo and a shift. Both underperform compared to Epic.
Thanks a lot guys after reading I think I may just wait for next row of phones.. when do you think they'll come out?
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Brah the epic is a MAN PHONE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UB2DtU0UOo
The shift is something I would recommend to my grandma. though i wouldn't recommend a android phone to any tech impaired person( as my grandma is, fuuuu dont even get me started.)
From what it seems, the Shift is a less expensive/toned-down alternative to the Epic and Evo. So you're more or less comparing two differently classed phones.
Also, I love the keyboard on the epic. It's very roomy and comfortable, especially with its five rows. Plus, the Super AMOLED screen is gorgeous and a serious selling point. And regarding support on XDA, the Epic has nearly 10 times more threads and posts in each sub-forum.
I've never actually owned a Shift, but just from the numbers it seems the Epic is a much better deal, especially since they are the same price on Amazon. But waiting for Sprint's next lineup of Android phones seems like a good choice as well.
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There's still problems with the sport mode in the camera... and the camcorder being a little sluggish in low light.
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Not sure if it makes a difference to you or not, but thete is now a fix fir the cameta issues in eb13. Keepin' the faith that sprint will release a more stable update soon. In the mean time get the epic and trust in the great devs we have here.
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Not sure if it makes a difference to you or not, but thete is now a fix fir the cameta issues in eb13. Keepin' the faith that sprint will release a more stable update soon. In the mean time get the epic and trust in the great devs we have here.
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Lol screw samsung and sprint for updates. Devs for the win.
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Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone..
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From what it seems, the Shift is a less expensive/toned-down alternative to the Epic and Evo. So you're more or less comparing two differently classed phones.
Also, I love the keyboard on the epic. It's very roomy and comfortable, especially with its five rows. Plus, the Super AMOLED screen is gorgeous and a serious selling point. And regarding support on XDA, the Epic has nearly 10 times more threads and posts in each sub-forum.
I've never actually owned a Shift, but just from the numbers it seems the Epic is a much better deal, especially since they are the same price on Amazon. But waiting for Sprint's next lineup of Android phones seems like a good choice as well.
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Heavy
I've had the Epic and the Evo, not the Shift tho. But I've played with the Shift for a while and one thing that surprises me is HOW HEAVY it is! For the weight difference, I'd almost just get the Epic. Regardless... if you want a billion ROM's that's hard to decipher and just really be confused most of the time, get an HTC. Tho, I will say their stock ROM's hand Samy's rear to them. The build quality on all three phones I would say are on par with each other.
The GPS on the Evo is AMAZING! I ALWAYS get a quick lock (within 5-10 seconds of opening up maps), and after 15-20 seconds, it's accurate to 3m (9 feet!), the Epic, not so much. After about 30 seconds, it'd lock, and only be accurate to 20m (60 feet!?!). As for using navigation on the phone, again, I would buy a garmin or tom-tom before I'd use the Epic's navigation.
Bottom line, yeah, if you need a phone that just works, any HTC is the way to go. BUT, the screen, size of keyboard, how good it plays games, did I mention the screen quality? are unmatched on the Epic. Hardware-wise (beyond maybe the GPS), the Epic is unbeaten.
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Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone..
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The answers to all of your questions in this thread. A very nice debate between some of us hardware nuts. (I won. )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907182
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Shift out performs evo.. epic has it beat on the graphics end. at least according to benchmark apps. I think I'm going to go with the shift for now... ill just add another line late this summer to try and get another phone..
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Untrue. Stop using Quadrant and Linpack (outdated benchmarks that are optimized for Snapdragon) and you'll see that it is simply not the case.
MHz for MHz, the Qualcomm MSM SoCs are slightly more powerful than the Hummingbird, but at 800 MHz they still fall behind the 1 GHz S5PC110.
I was using smartbench what do u think of that one?
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I got the shift by the way... and I'm am loving it. Superior device imo.
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Shift is good, but the epic is on a whole other level, in terms of hardware. Stock the shift has the better software, but if your going to mod your phone with some of the awesome xda dev software.......that's where you'll see what I mean by being on a whole other level. Don't wait to long to trade your new shift in and get a real upgrade
My upgrade comes through on March 1st.. I've looked into each of these phones with great detail. This is what I've come up with in a nutshell. And I want everyone's professional opinion as ill be using this phone for a year or two.. thx guys and gals..(is there a girl on xda yet? ;p)
Stock pros of shift: pocket friendly, higher quality exterior, possibly more support on xda, I heart HTC.
Stock pros of epic 4g: better battery life, amoled screen, front facing camera, video card for twice the gaming potential
Both are 99.00 on Amazon with upgrade eligibility (so is the evo, but I don't need a tablet just yet, 4" is quite enough for me) .. I use sprint im not switching its cheap.. I'd rather have a steak then slightly improved cell service. I have wifi at home anyways..
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I can feed you two different opinions. Stock or rooted/custom.
I, am one of the firm believers that a phone's true potentional is never stock. Therefor should not be judged on stock.
I will not speak about the epic 4g in terms I do not know, so there will be more opinions on the shift.
Everyday, I hear how small/slow the development is going on the epic.
The epic, without a doubt has a better GPU.
Development, will continue to be pushed on the shift for the next few years no matter what. Think about how long it took the epic to get 2.2, now there is gingerbread and honeycomb....The shift already has gingerbread. Every major release, will come to the shift. While the epic will either not recieve it at all(mixture of samsungs support and the devs dying down, no offense).
In real world performance, there is nothing the shift can't handle right now that's out there that the epic can.(In my opinion, nothing to back this up since I don't know everything that's out there).
The shift, can get fairly incredible battery life, it took me 27hours to hit 31%, using it quite a bit on 245-1.5ghz conservative on the 1.8ghz kernel.
It took rytesyde a lot longer to hit that low on the 1.5ghz kernel(undervolted farther). Point being, if you want to use your phone for a full day, it's fine. If you forget your charger for a weekend, your phone will make it if you don't use it much(Mine drained around 1% an hour when not in use, my overall average was 2.9%/hour on fairly heavy usage).
I know what you mean on the amoled screen, but I really haven't had much of a desire for it unless I was in the bright sun.
I would go with the shift because it has more development and support.....
Although, I would honestly go as far to say the epic has better hardware.
I would say more, but it's 6am and I'm getting sleepy.
edit: Oh, just looked at the froyo epic update. It seems that the update was buggy(surprise from samsung?). They're not very good at updating their devices. It really comes down to, what you want. No one here would discriminate if you went with the epic.
as a former samsung and moment owner. personally i will never own a samsung phone again. the shift just works out of the box. and the devs on the shift just keep making it better. all the deving on the moment couldnt fix all the problems it had. to me the epic isnt anything but a huge moment lol. and from i am reading sprint has already yanked the OTA update to froyo. imagine that lol
HTC > Samsung..that's all..no comparison
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The Keyboard Settled it for Me
I've spent a couple of days on the same question. I finally settled on the Shift.
I stopped by my local Sprint store to get each in my hands. The Epic's keyboard had awful tactile response. I handed it to my son to get his opinion and he handed it back shaking his head. He said he couldn't feel the keys, couldn't tell if they were depressed.
That clarified what I was thinking. The HTC model also felt superior, even w/ the funky keyboard slide. I can't put my finger on why.
The Shift keyboard was much better, even with only 4 rows. I'm coming from a Touch Pro. I'll have to cope w/ missing the 5th row.
It didn't help Epic's cause that I kept coming across threads (ie AndroidForum) about Epic dropping/adding keystrokes.
Epic clearly has a superior GPU. However I wouldn't take advantage of it; in my regular use.
Epic's 1GHz Hummingbird and EvoShift's 800MHz Snapdragon look like a pretty even match; despite the clock difference.
I'd wish for a larger screen on the Shift; but it isn't to be.
Of course I'd also wish for a Dual Core Processor - as long as I'm wishing.
Like the above poster, I don't give the stock ROM any weight because it isn't sticking around. I found a lot more development for the Epic than I would have thought - and less development for the Shift than I would have hoped. But the Shift is recently introduced. It likely needs some time for the chefs to work their magic.
I tried to find reasons to prefer the Epic. But holding actually holding an Epic and a Shift in my hands almost decided it - all by itself.
Looks like I'll be Shifting in a few days.
NV
Want an easy answer to your question? Go over to the epic general section of this forum and read about the latest fiasco and read the general section in the evo shift and compare what the people are talking about.
For example, the epic people finally got an official version of froyo, but to many people, it's worse than the last official version update.
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Want an easy answer to your question? Go over to the epic general section of this forum and read about the latest fiasco and read the general section in the evo shift and compare what the people are talking about.
For example, the epic people finally got an official version of froyo, but to many people, it's worse than the last official version update.
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yeah there are reports of it bricking their phones
The Epic 4G may look like a better phone, specs wise, but Samsung clearly has no idea what they are doing when it comes to software updates. The Froyo update they pushed a few days ago is another in a long line of disasters for them. It was also the last straw for me. I dumped my Epic and went with the Evo Shift. Best decision I ever made. Yeah, the screen is smaller and the processor is a bit slower but, trust me, the Shift is a much nicer experience.
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The Epic 4G may look like a better phone, specs wise, but Samsung clearly has no idea what they are doing when it comes to software updates. The Froyo update they pushed a few days ago is another in a long line of disasters for them. It was also the last straw for me. I dumped my Epic and went with the Evo Shift. Best decision I ever made. Yeah, the screen is smaller and the processor is a bit slower but, trust me, the Shift is a much nicer experience.
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Number wise the processor is slower but performance wise it can meet with the humming bird prossecor or beat it
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Where did u get the pro of the epic having a better battery than the shift? I highly doubt it as I very heavily use my phone and still get an easy 15-17 hrs of use out of it before it starts to get close to 20%
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Where did u get the pro of the epic having a better battery than the shift? I highly doubt it as I very heavily use my phone and still get an easy 15-17 hrs of use out of it before it starts to get close to 20%
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and i doubt the epic gets better battery life than the shift. i doubt it gets better battery life than the POS moment i had
The battery life on the Shift is definitely better than it was on my Epic.
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and i doubt the epic gets better battery life than the shift. i doubt it gets better battery life than the POS moment i had
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I'm considering blowing up my old moment.
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Lol yeah a block of C4 and my moment makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside
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I got the battery info from phone arena but I'm sure they use advertised statistics rather then do there own testing... I figured on the shift myself.. honestly I went there and messed with each for like 15 mins.. shift felt better all around.. I posted this on the epic forum as well.. some there suggested waiting for next round of android phones before upgrading. What do you guys think? Is sprint coming out with something worthy of my patience this summer.. I've been using this hero for about 3 years.
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noskoviak said:
I got the battery info from phone arena but I'm sure they use advertised statistics rather then do there own testing... I figured on the shift myself.. honestly I went there and messed with each for like 15 mins.. shift felt better all around.. I posted this on the epic forum as well.. some there suggested waiting for next round of android phones before upgrading. What do you guys think? Is sprint coming out with something worthy of my patience this summer.. I've been using this hero for about 3 years.
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ummm, 3 years? You sure about that?
Scent phrum mie fone!
EDIT: My bad 2 years and three months I have been using an android phone that was designed with 1.5 in mind. Started a T-Mobile plan for the mytouch. in between there I did try out webos and even rim again. Sorry westicle you were right for the most part I didn't mean to exaggerate... just feels like forever with all the newer better phones coming for less. When I can still buy this old trusty turd from sprint for more then a shift.
sent from my hero aosp2.2 cause aospcm7 2.3 was not as fast or stable for me.
The hero was released october 2009. That's less than 2 years ago.
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noskoviak said:
I got the battery info from phone arena but I'm sure they use advertised statistics rather then do there own testing... I figured on the shift myself.. honestly I went there and messed with each for like 15 mins.. shift felt better all around.. I posted this on the epic forum as well.. some there suggested waiting for next round of android phones before upgrading. What do you guys think? Is sprint coming out with something worthy of my patience this summer.. I've been using this hero for about 3 years.
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i'm still using my opening day touch pro, and hittin f5 on every mobile site trying to find out if i should wait or get something. it's brutal.
well i traded my epic for a shift days before the official froyo came out for the epic
i was a little weary giving up the 'more expensive hyped' device for the shift despite a generous cash supplement w/ the trade
but oh baby...now that i hear the epic froyo is failing i am happy to be off the samsung failboat
my shift came loaded with a 1.5ghz rom so i never tested stock htc
the battery life of the shift was underpar to the epic at first
but now that i am running bcnice kernel with mikshift i am easily surpassing the epic battery performance
i liked the shift more from the moment it was in my hand regardless of all other factors
and now its running faster/smoother/longer than the epic ever was
my biggest pet peeves of the shift:
1) no number row on the hardware keyboard...you have to double press the fn key
this is a huge pain in the ass as i enter numbers all day with lots of spaces in between...logging error codes on the machines i service...uhg...
i'm slowly migrating to the input panel but i hate input panels mostly
if i was an input panel fan i would have bought an evo...duh
but you cant have everything
2) the volume buttons are a little close to the center of the phone
had to remap the volume down to 'nothing' because i was always pressing it
all i really hope for in the future is that htc releases an android version of the old wm mogul...i loved the rocker switch/scroll...and no other phone has ever replaced that devices satisfaction with 13 hardware buttons in addition the hardware keyboard...and dedicated hardware wifi switch...please HTC wake up and smell success
HTC M3 - Android dual-core qwerty phone w/ rocker switch,5-row kb & endless buttons
yes please
Whos going with whut if thet are both coming to sprint
And why isnt the gs2 the nexus s btw. ?
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The Galaxy s2 has a built in water fountain that shoots out Hawaiian punch. The nexus s does not.
GSII For the winnnn.
Oh, and in other news, OSAMA'S DEATH. BOOYAH
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GSII For the winnnn.
Oh, and in other news, OSAMA'S DEATH. BOOYAH
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The fact that anyone is still considering a Samsung Phone after the update mess reinforces my theory that people love to be screwed over by companies.
And the Osama is a good news bad thing.
On one hand he's dead, on the other it doesn't change anything for anyone and he will be seen as a martyr by his supporters.
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The fact that anyone is still considering a Samsung Phone after the update mess reinforces my theory that people love to be screwed over by companies.
And the Osama is a good news bad thing.
On one hand he's dead, on the other it doesn't change anything for anyone and he will be seen as a martyr by his supporters.
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Ya they can speak for themselves. I'm never getting another samsung phone again.
They have awesome hardware, but the software and cust support blows. And stupid things that should be perfected like registering every button on a keyboard or working led lights or a kickstand, shouldn't be an issue on 500 dollar phone.
sent through the grape vines
If they dont screw us over with variants samsungs support wont suck as much
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The fact that anyone is still considering a Samsung Phone after the update mess reinforces my theory that people love to be screwed over by companies.
And the Osama is a good news bad thing.
On one hand he's dead, on the other it doesn't change anything for anyone and he will be seen as a martyr by his supporters.
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@the Samsung part, I honestly can't really decide. The GSII is just nice, in my opinion, and I know about the update mayhem but the fact that we've gotten a leak for Gingerbread this quickly gives me a bit hope for the moment.
The Evo 3D is a great phone, and honestly the only reason I didn't choose it was because I like the new TW4.0. Specs wise, Evo 3D wins hands down. But just remember, it's all opinion.
@Osama, yeah, his supporters could be a problem, but without a leader still helps. I mean, after Hitler's suicide (even though it was around the same time as the war ended), his supporters seemed to fade. I don't know; we can only hope for the best and that the death was fortunate.
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@the Samsung part, I honestly can't really decide. The GSII is just nice, in my opinion, and I know about the update mayhem but the fact that we've gotten a leak for Gingerbread this quickly gives me a bit hope for the moment.
The Evo 3D is a great phone, and honestly the only reason I didn't choose it was because I like the new TW4.0. Specs wise, Evo 3D wins hands down. But just remember, it's all opinion.
@Osama, yeah, his supporters could be a problem, but without a leader still helps. I mean, after Hitler's suicide (even though it was around the same time as the war ended), his supporters seemed to fade. I don't know; we can only hope for the best and that the death was fortunate.
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Samsung hasn't done much to prove that they will be able to put enough pressure on Carriers to test updates to get them to users in a timely manner.
Hitler's suicide was a completely different scenario, a country/regime cannot function without some sort of leader, terrorist/guerilla groups can simply fracture and are largely self-sufficient cells.
Also Hitler's supporters didn't so much fade as flee to South America and try to start a fourth reich, just sayin'.
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Samsung hasn't done much to prove that they will be able to put enough pressure on Carriers to test updates to get them to users in a timely manner.
Hitler's suicide was a completely different scenario, a country/regime cannot function without some sort of leader, terrorist/guerilla groups can simply fracture and are largely self-sufficient cells.
Also Hitler's supporters didn't so much fade as flee to South America and try to start a fourth reich, just sayin'.
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I guess you're right on both parts. But hey, I'm only 14, so I'm trying my best here to comprehend
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@the Samsung part, I honestly can't really decide. The GSII is just nice, in my opinion, and I know about the update mayhem but the fact that we've gotten a leak for Gingerbread this quickly gives me a bit hope for the moment.
The Evo 3D is a great phone, and honestly the only reason I didn't choose it was because I like the new TW4.0. Specs wise, Evo 3D wins hands down. But just remember, it's all opinion.
@Osama, yeah, his supporters could be a problem, but without a leader still helps. I mean, after Hitler's suicide (even though it was around the same time as the war ended), his supporters seemed to fade. I don't know; we can only hope for the best and that the death was fortunate.
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Spec wise the evo 3d wins hands down?? How??
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musclehead84 said:
Spec wise the evo 3d wins hands down?? How??
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Okay well maybe a tie.
GSII has a better resolution and thinness, but the evo 3D DOES have 3D, and I've seen how well that works xD.
Then again...the evo 3d has only 8 GB storage on the sd card. Dammit, I gotta word these things better. ._.
Otherwise, same similar 1.2GHz dual-core proccessor, 8 MP camera, etc
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Evo 3D has a higher resolution.
960 x 540 vs 800 x 480.
Performance wise the Evo 3D pulls ahead in some tests while the Galaxy S pulls ahead in some, its mostly a toss up. The difference is nowhere near 1st gen snapdragon vs hummingbird.
I'm pretty sure S2 will kick harder, but Evo's 3D features + higher res screen + the fact that 1st Evo had one of the greatest dev-communities makes me think I will go HTC next time.. =O
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Evo 3D has a higher resolution.
960 x 540 vs 800 x 480.
Performance wise the Evo 3D pulls ahead in some tests while the Galaxy S pulls ahead in some, its mostly a toss up. The difference is nowhere near 1st gen snapdragon vs hummingbird.
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Oh okay, didn't know the GSII's resolution hadn't improved other than the Plus. I feel pretty stupid atm lol
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Spec wise the evo 3d wins hands down?? How??
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I want to know the same thing....higher res crappy display, a chip set that hasn't shown us anything in real world tests, the whole 3D gimmick deal, and will be locked down in some way or another. The sgs2 is completely unlocked and is all straightforward non-gimmicky no frills hardware.
I still doubt I'll own either one thanks to sprints new upgrade rules. If I had to choose one of these awesome phones it would likely be the sgs2, for raw power and simplicity. Oh and the S-amoled+ display, that has 50% more subpixels which is going to make resolution look way higher......read the review its all there.
GSII. The sAMOLED+ display is just too much to pass up. Going back to a lcd screen would be tough. For me at least... plus I love the whole ultra slim design. I am personally voting for a keyboardless sprint variant.
if the GSII comes with a KB. I just can't get rid of the KB>
If the GSII isn't altered to much by U.S carriers I'll have to go with Sammy but if Sprint plays around with the original design it's the Evo 3D.
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SGSII ALL the way. Its confirmed to be unlocked. Dont feel stupid Acer. I didn't mean it like that.
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acer1096xxx said:
Okay well maybe a tie.
GSII has a better resolution and thinness, but the evo 3D DOES have 3D, and I've seen how well that works xD.
Then again...the evo 3d has only 8 GB storage on the sd card. Dammit, I gotta word these things better. ._.
Otherwise, same similar 1.2GHz dual-core proccessor, 8 MP camera, etc
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I'll be grabbing myself an HTC Evo 3D whenever an upgrade becomes available. I'll just use my 16 GB sdcard on my current Epic when I make the switch. I'm also a HTC sense fan, I started out with it when I made my entrance into Android.