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But they say, it's for the tablets. :-(
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/google-shows-off-android-3-0-the-entirely-for-tablet-honeycom/
EDIT : hopefully , we'll get video chat this time.
I'm actually happy its just for tablets. Tablets need something to make the special beyond "just big phones"
Plus I couldn't imagine how weird it would be with capacitive screen buttons on the phone but honeycomb virtual screen buttons as well?
Well played Google... Well played
Oh yes... sweet yes... portable?
Who knows.
agree 100%. theres got to be something that differentiates tablets and phones. google is moving in that direction. i only hope that there will be a version of HC that will run on phones in a "translated" form to make it more usable on a mobile interface.
Clueless on how to cope with two different sets... but seems they don't give ..... about it.
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sigh, it does NOT say tablet only, it says designed for tablets, a whole of difference.
Told y'all the CNN Honeycomb article leaned toward tablets: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10001097#post10001097
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Told y'all the CNN Honeycomb article leaned toward tablets: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10001097#post10001097
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have you never heard of marketing?
"designed for tablets" is marketing bs. Until someone shows a significant change in the tablet and cell phone hardware, it will continue to be bs. A few applications will need to be changed (like GMail) but the rest is marketing.
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have you never heard of marketing?
"designed for tablets" is marketing bs. Until someone shows a significant change in the tablet and cell phone hardware, it will continue to be bs. A few applications will need to be changed (like GMail) but the rest is marketing.
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The screen size is that significant change. It requires quite different application layout concepts (which in turn require OS support).
It could well be, that honeycomb development is focused solely on tablet issues (like being in essence sort of gingerbread "tablet edition") and is worthless in the smartphone context.
Again, Andy Rubin at D: Dive into the mobile said the focus was on tablet but that the new views/pane could be adapted to phones.
That being said wouldn't be to surprise if we have to wait until Google I/O for some of this eyecandy on cell phones.
Oh and Gtalk Video is there...
Honeycomb looks great. I agree that "designed for tablets" its good marketing. They can play the angle that the ipad was based on a phone OS & Honeycomb has been built for the ground up with tablets in mind.
My guess (or atleast what I hope) is that Google will announce Honeycomb for phones as well. They would share the same UI just with one designed for smaller screens in mind. Ideally the phone OS wouldn't need the dual core processing (so fragmentation doesn't kick in). And this way both tablets and phones share the same platform making it a bit easier for developers. Ofcourse this is just the way I am dreaming things up but it does make a bit of sense with Google making Gingerbread 2.4 after all the initial speculation that it would be 3.0. It makes me wonder if Gingerbread was rushed in order to get the next Nexus flagship phone out before the holidays.
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They can play the angle that the ipad was based on a phone OS & Honeycomb has been built for the ground up with tablets in mind
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Sure the markets will play that angle I'm sure. Of course the reality is that the iPad was actually designed before the iPhone. So the iPhone is using a tablet OS, not the other way around!
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Honeycomb looks great. I agree that "designed for tablets" its good marketing. They can play the angle that the ipad was based on a phone OS & Honeycomb has been built for the ground up with tablets in mind.
My guess (or atleast what I hope) is that Google will announce Honeycomb for phones as well. They would share the same UI just with one designed for smaller screens in mind. Ideally the phone OS wouldn't need the dual core processing (so fragmentation doesn't kick in). And this way both tablets and phones share the same platform making it a bit easier for developers.
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Provided el goog did not invent any new kind of wheel, I think it is quite safe to assume, that honeycomb "tablet edition" changes are geared to support those new additional screen layouts typical to the tablets.
Like currently developer can define several different layouts, for example one for portrait and one for landscape, screen form factor, docking state, night/day mode etc.
So, there will be additional modes for tablets. And additional UI controls utilizing those modes.
Then google will need to modify all the system apps, I think this makes the most of the honeycomb overhead. To do it properly it is by far not enough to "inflate" your present smartphone apps. Samsung already hacked this into the most of the apps shipped with galaxy tab.
It is actually quite boring if you look at it from the smartphone point of view. More like the new UI skin if at all.
only (put your curse here) would presume Google is ditching the mobile phones to tablets by providing new 'cool' updates to tablets and let the phones rot. almost every person has a phone not every person has a tablet or planning on getting one. Not very good for Google business, so they won't keep (put any Android version here) exclusive to a certain platform.
So this means that Gingerbread 2.3 will remain the flagship OS for phones till the year end or will the Dual Core Motorola Atrix & Optimus 2X can have 3.0 sometime later
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So this means that Gingerbread 2.3 will remain the flagship OS for phones till the year end or will the Dual Core Motorola Atrix & Optimus 2X can have 3.0 sometime later
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No. All this means is that 3.0 will be shipping on some tablets in a few months. We don't yet know anything about Android releases for phones beyond Gingerbread.
damn right it looks great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CenYofDGwoU
edit: thank god that now the confusion that many have regarding the difference between "gingerbread" and "android 3.0" will be cleared up. yes, there are folks like that :eek
Perhaps facets of the UI are Tablet only.
What a stupid thing it would be to fragment Android even further.
Nice UI..BB Playbook task switching still is miles ahead in terms of wow factor and ease of switching.
The apps themselves look great. Once again I have great fear of these 3d aspects bogging things like the Froyo Gallery.
If it doesnt load at lightning speed they will be guilty of overshooting the programming for available HW.
I cant see that UI running smoothly on any current phone including the Nexus S.
The real question, which has yet to have a definitive answer, is when can i actually buy something that runs this?!
Its safe to say that I will be picking up a tablet with Honeycomb this year.
Check it out in this video at 3:25-3:45 (sorry if this has been posted already..)
www (dot) youtube (dot) com (slash) watch?v=EVostB97nTY
(apparently I can't post links because I'm a new user.)
I really hope this is true, I might seriously consider buying the 8.9 or 10.1. Samsung, please don't screw this up!
This kinda mirrors what we've been hearing from other news outlets. There's a lot of talk about it being optional and a later upgrade. I don't think many people are going to want to upgrade to TouchWiz after dealing with stock 3.0 though lol.
Really tough though, there's no lack of misinformation around there. Samsung themselves wouldn't even give any idea of which tablets in which markets would even get TouchWiz4.0, let alone launch with it installed.
From the videos I have seen, I would upgrade to touchwiz if they fix the lag.
I've never understood the unconditional love for stock Android. Other than the fact that updates should come quicker, it is completely stale and barely appealing. Honeycomb in this case is fine, but I'm sure manufactures could only do more to improve it. I mean, Samsung added re-sizing widgets, its amazing that Google hadn't thought to add such a feature that should seem obvious at this point.
It appears Android can ever become truly polished without outside help.
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I've never understood the unconditional love for stock Android. Other than the fact that updates should come quicker, it is completely stale and barely appealing. Honeycomb in this case is fine, but I'm sure manufactures could only do more to improve it. I mean, Samsung added re-sizing widgets, its amazing that Google hadn't thought to add such a feature that should seem obvious at this point.
It appears Android can ever become truly polished without outside help.
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Its not that we love stock Android (well, some of us do), its that we hate what these skins do to the experience. They're often slow, and not necessarily without bugs. They also delay (or eliminate) later updates, which Honeycomb as we all know is going to need them.
I'm completely fine with custom UI's from manufacturers, but the biggest thing 99% of people have with them is they can't be removed! Let me have a checkbox in settings to remove it and I'll take whatever you have to give me at the point of sale of the device. I think Google is realizing that these UI's on 2.1 and 2.2 are a bit out of control, and they're trying to shut it down in 3.0 because honestly I think they've thought a lot about the UI in Honeycomb and how it relates to these tablets.
If Google completely disallows the application of custom UI's (or UX as Samsung wants to call them), then manufacturers will have to differentiate with hardware and if they want to add software it is gonna have to come in the form of bundled Apps and Widgets. That's 100% okay with me. Apps and Widgets really can add to the experience, without taking anything away from stock.
What recent... major Android device has been released with a sluggish UI? I'm honestly curious.
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What recent... major Android device has been released with a sluggish UI? I'm honestly curious.
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Every phone with Sense and TouchWiz I've ever used is slower and less CPU/RAM efficient than stock 2.2/2.3. You really don't notice the difference in day-to-day use until you experience stock. I never said "sluggish" but they are most definitely slower than stock. Any time you're adding additional UI elements the speed is probably gonna be the first to decrease.
Don't get me wrong, I love some of the work that manufacturers have done (mainly HTC) but their skins are very unnecessary at many points and I understand their strive to differentiate but its getting a bit ridiculous (I'm looking at you, Motorola Blur) that the skins often impede and are worse experiences than stock.
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Every phone with Sense and TouchWiz I've ever used is slower and less CPU/RAM efficient than stock 2.2/2.3. You really don't notice the difference in day-to-day use until you experience stock. I never said "sluggish" but they are most definitely slower than stock. Any time you're adding additional UI elements the speed is probably gonna be the first to decrease.
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I've experienced stock, I own a Nexus One. However, I haven't spent an extended period of time with a non-Vanilla version of Android other than custom ROMS... so I assume this could be true.
Considering that I barely hear anyone mention how "slow" these skins are, I assumed it was an issue that was resolved with these newer phones.
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I've experienced stock, I own a Nexus One. However, I haven't spent an extended period of time with a non-Vanilla version of Android other than custom ROMS... so I assume this could be true.
Considering that I barely hear anyone mention how "slow" these skins are, I assumed it was an issue that was resolved with these newer phones.
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Its definitely less of an issue now with every phone being at a 1ghz clock or higher, and many coming out with dual core. But when it comes down to it its still extra weight over stock . You definitely hear more people complain about the lack of functionality more than the speed.
I have rooted many phones and after installing stock android (getting rid of UI's) I have noticed a noticeable speed increase in day to day activities.
I think the choice of Stock or Custom is something that has been a bit of a "duh" thing from the beginning. Im still a bit shocked that Android didn't force manufactured to make skins optional, but I'm glad to see Samsung doing this since they are one of the primary foulers on this update vs custom ui issue.
I could care less with skin like TouchWiz or Sense (no, not Motoblur!).
The only thing I am worried is the speed of update from Samsung or HTC.
That's all ...
Knowing that Google is holding Android Honeycomb 3.0 AOSP ... and another rumor of suppose to be "the" Google Tablet:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1011540
That made me re-think ...
The GTab 8.9" won't be available in Europe on June 2011 anyway.
It will be most likely on August 2011 or even September ...
I hate this situation, especially when my wife asks "When will we get a tablet? You are always waiting ... and waiting ...".
Yeah, when the GTab 8.9" is released in Europe, news about Google Tablet OR Honeycomb 3.1 OR QUAD CORE Tegra will be materialized
Next May, on Google IO, that would be one of the best news to watch and decide ... GTab 8.9" or NOT GTab 8.9", that's my million dollar question!
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I hate this situation, especially when my wife asks "When will we get a tablet? You are always waiting ... and waiting ...".
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Same here... :-(
By the time I will be able to buy thin GT 10.1 there will be quad tegra right behind the corner... :-(
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I could care less with skin like TouchWiz or Sense (no, not Motoblur!).
The only thing I am worried is the speed of update from Samsung or HTC.
That's all ...
Knowing that Google is holding Android Honeycomb 3.0 AOSP ... and another rumor of suppose to be "the" Google Tablet:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1011540
That made me re-think ...
The GTab 8.9" won't be available in Europe on June 2011 anyway.
It will be most likely on August 2011 or even September ...
I hate this situation, especially when my wife asks "When will we get a tablet? You are always waiting ... and waiting ...".
Yeah, when the GTab 8.9" is released in Europe, news about Google Tablet OR Honeycomb 3.1 OR QUAD CORE Tegra will be materialized
Next May, on Google IO, that would be one of the best news to watch and decide ... GTab 8.9" or NOT GTab 8.9", that's my million dollar question!
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You have to just go ahead and get something and be happy with it. Say you wait for the GTab to come out just as the Quad core Tegra stuff is materializing, so you continue to wait. Then the Quad Core stuff gets released just as the 6-Core or Android 5.0 stuff is shown. You'll end up waiting for ever. You just gotta get the best of what's available, put your head down and play with your toy for the next few years and try not to worry or think about what the "hot" new item around the corner is. The market just moves too fast for that.
People seem to fail to realize that something better, especially when related to technology, is always around the corner. And unless you want to spend thousands of dollars trying to stay up-to-date, you need to get that one thing that makes you the happiest... or just like the poster above me stated, you will end up waiting and waiting.
Make up your minds people~
Buy something now, sell it later and buy something new. I did something like that with e-reader - when I was tired of waiting for a perfect one.
That's true ... I can just buy something right now instead of waiting.
But, that "right now" is not available here in Europe.
And we still don't know what is that "right now" in Europe.
For start, I don't think I would buy a tablet with Android 3.0.1.
There are so much instability issues (read Xoom forum and official Moto Xoom forum).
My gut feeling tells me, during Google IO, there will be a new much better version of Android 3.x.
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You have to just go ahead and get something and be happy with it. Say you wait for the GTab to come out just as the Quad core Tegra stuff is materializing, so you continue to wait. Then the Quad Core stuff gets released just as the 6-Core or Android 5.0 stuff is shown. You'll end up waiting for ever. You just gotta get the best of what's available, put your head down and play with your toy for the next few years and try not to worry or think about what the "hot" new item around the corner is. The market just moves too fast for that.
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Just in:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/31/google-tightening-control-of-android-insisting-licensees-abide/
So, don't worry much anymore
I think, this TouchWiz 4.0 on Honeycomb already got screened by Google.
Meaning, it should not be deeply integrated. Most probably it is just a layer installed on TOP of Honeycomb, which can be uninstalled.
I honestly doubt it can be uninstalled, but I can't wait to find out. It looks like they replaced the launcher, added a few apps and added their own skin to UI elements. It doesn't sound like you can simply "uninstall" all of what they did.
Edit: After checking over a few photos again TouchWiz is definitely integrated into the system. It appears as if you would have to flash an entirely new build over it to remove it. Not preform a simple uninstall. Then again, what do I know?
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Most probably it is just a layer installed on TOP of Honeycomb, which can be uninstalled.
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I think this is the case too. This may explain why Samsung haven't released it yet as they are make sure the TouchWiz UI layer conforms to Google's restrictions (i.e. sits on top of the Application Framework layer). If this is the case, then it should be uninstallable like any other application. Time will tell but I really hope this is the case.
Any more news on this lately?
honeycomb has some ui glitches when running on our nooks, but honeycomb 3.2 is optimized for 7in screens, so if somebody were to make a honeycomb 3.2 rom for the nook, would that fix the ui glitches
Honeycomb 3.2 is still just a rumor. Granted Acer made the comment about it, but even when it comes out, we still wont have the source code until Google releases it. Our main problem is the display drivers we have for the nook don't support the lancher app in Honeycomb. Since the nook is using older technology, unless new drivers are made/released we'll need to find our own workarounds or continue to use software rendering for the UI.
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Honeycomb 3.2 is still just a rumor.
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Not according to this it's not: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/20/huawei-mediapad-revealed-worlds-first-7-inch-android-3-2-table/
It's here folks -- the planet's first Android 3.2 tablet. Huawei just introduced a downright luscious new slate over in Singapore, with CommunicAsia being the launchpad for the 7-inch MediaPad. It's the first high-profile 7-inch tablet we've seen in quite some time, and somehow or another, it's managed to leapfrog most of the currently shipping Honeycomb tablets with a build of Android we've only ever joked about. Huawei tells us that Honeycomb 3.2 is essentially the same as 3.1, but specifically tailored to 7-inch tablets as opposed to 10-inch. Packed within the MediaPad's 10.5mm shell, there's a 217 pixels-per-inch IPS capacitive touchpanel, GPS, 1.3 megapixel front-facing camera, 5 megapixel rear-facing camera, 802.11n WiFi, a battery good for around six hours of life and a bona fide racehorse as a processor: a dual-core 1.2GHz chip from Qualcomm. If all goes well, it'll ship in the United States in Q3 2011.
It's a fair bit chunkier than the newfangled Galaxy Tab 10.1 (8.6mm), but still slimmer than the original Tab, which clocked in at 11.98mm. It weighs in at 390g (0.86 pounds), supports full 1080p playback, includes HSPA+ (14.4Mbps) 3G support, offers 8GB of internal storage (as well as a microSD slot) and comes pre-loaded with Facebook, Twitter, Let's Golf and Documents To Go. There's also a Bluetooth module, an HDMI output for catching those high-def flicks on the go, and the Flash 10.3 player ensures that those websites won't be a problem. Unfortunately, the company's left a great deal to the imagination -- like pricing, which is being "sorted with retail partners and providers" -- and all we've got for system RAM is a promise that it's "working with partners on specifics." Oddly enough, the company has "no current plans" to produce a WiFi-only model, which definitely puts a damper on those who aren't interested in ponying for carrier data. You can bet we'll be digging for more, but even with the surrounding mystery, calling us "excited" would be a severe understatement.
Update: There's a demo vid just after the break, and the first eyes-on shots have emerged from the conference.
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honeycomb has some ui glitches when running on our nooks, but honeycomb 3.2 is optimized for 7in screens, so if somebody were to make a honeycomb 3.2 rom for the nook, would that fix the ui glitches
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Deeper blue may have more insight into 3.1, but working on 3.01, screen size never even appeared to be an issue. Our issues have always been with the drivers and properly compiling the OS for our hardware. Frankly, i have no doubt that if we had AOSP 3.0/3.1, we would have had something nearly as smooth as CM7 right now in no time....
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Deeper blue may have more insight into 3.1, but working on 3.01, screen size never even appeared to be an issue. Our issues have always been with the drivers and properly compiling the OS for our hardware. Frankly, i have no doubt that if we had AOSP 3.0/3.1, we would have had something nearly as smooth as CM7 right now in no time....
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The problem is, I fear we won't see the source for a long time to come.
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The problem is, I fear we won't see the source for a long time to come.
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Once the time has come for the source to drop we shall all have moved on to newer, better, cheaper tablets and our Nooks will sit alone on bar stools and drink heavily and cry, just cry. While remembering their former days of glory, when geeks of all ages would gawk and stare in amazement at what the $250 tablet could accomplish, the golden days, our Nooks will toast & reminisce... Glory, Glory, Glory!!!! Remember the humble Nook Color and weep!
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Once the time has come for the source to drop we shall all have moved on to newer, better, cheaper tablets and our Nooks will sit alone on bar stools and drink heavily and cry, just cry. While remembering their former days of glory, when geeks of all ages would gawk and stare in amazement at what the $250 tablet could accomplish, the golden days, our Nooks will toast & reminisce... Glory, Glory, Glory!!!! Remember the humble Nook Color and weep!
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Being supported by a "major" ROM like Cyanogenmod I bet we will get a couple Android versions out of this device.
I just wish the NC development scene would explode so even in the next year or so, the NC won't be forgotten. Considering it's only really CM, Phiremod, HC test builds, and some 1.2 builds, I'm not excited for the future of NC development.
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I just wish the NC development scene would explode so even in the next year or so, the NC won't be forgotten. Considering it's only really CM, Phiremod, HC test builds, and some 1.2 builds, I'm not excited for the future of NC development.
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Speak for yourself, CM7 with Tablet Tweaks is amazing. I dont need 10 different roms with ugly themes on them, i just need 1 solid rom thats customizable and thats what the Nook offers. If you are looking for something to flash a new rom for every night out of bordem, look to the Evo 4G forum, they flash for flashing sake.
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Speak for yourself, CM7 with Tablet Tweaks is amazing. I dont need 10 different roms with ugly themes on them, i just need 1 solid rom thats customizable and thats what the Nook offers. If you are looking for something to flash a new rom for every night out of bordem, look to the Evo 4G forum, they flash for flashing sake.
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I have an Incredible and I stick with CM7 nightlies on it too, the point I was trying to make is that even if it's 10 different roms with "ugly themes" it's still development, it's still interest, it's variety.
CM7 with tablet tweaks is undoubtedly a brilliant success, and I'm infinitely grateful for the efforts of the CM team, and Murdock. Phiremod is also brilliant, and has proven incredibly serviceable for me.
However, I'll say that I am still anxious to get a working build of Honeycomb. I hope DB, Divine_Madcat, et al won't see this as a criticism of their work, because I genuinely appreciate all the efforts that have been put in thus far - I'd just like to be able to have it at a DD state.
At that point, I think I'd settle.
For some reason it seems the Nook Color Community is dying out. When I got my Nook around March, there were at least 2 new threads in the dev section everyday. Now, it's lucky to get a new ROM in a month. And yet still, devices that are older get new stuff faster than us. So I highly doubt we will get Honeycomb that fast, even with the source.
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However, I'll say that I am still anxious to get a working build of Honeycomb. I hope DB, Divine_Madcat, et al won't see this as a criticism of their work, because I genuinely appreciate all the efforts that have been put in thus far - I'd just like to be able to have it at a DD state.
At that point, I think I'd settle.
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Well, you certainly won't offend me. As it is, i wish i had the ability to make the SDK build more than it is; but I have hit my roadblocks. Our next big project will be ICS, since we should have the source for that, and with the lessons learned from CM7, make it into a daily use product fairly quickly. As we go one, we will see our hardware becoming more dated, but sadly, that happens to the best of us.
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For some reason it seems the Nook Color Community is dying out. When I got my Nook around March, there were at least 2 new threads in the dev section everyday. Now, it's lucky to get a new ROM in a month. And yet still, devices that are older get new stuff faster than us. So I highly doubt we will get Honeycomb that fast, even with the source.
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Look, im sorry, but i am going to be blunt; just because we aren't getting a million "me too!" roms, does not mean we are dying out. If anything, we are ramping up as CM7 gets more and more polished. i mean, in just the last week, USB host support got released for the nook, adding in a second hardware feature officially unlocked. Dalingrin, Fattire, nemith verygreen, and others, have been tirelessly working on our device, and that doesn't show signs of stopping.
As it is, we have gone from a basic ereader, to:
a fully fledged tablet running Android 2.3, overclocked to 1.2-1.3Ghz, with hidden bluetooth and USB host enabled, and dev support that has not faltered since Nov. I would not trade our dev group for any other out there.
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Look, im sorry, but i am going to be blunt; just because we aren't getting a million "me too!" roms, does not mean we are dying out. If anything, we are ramping up as CM7 gets more and more polished. i mean, in just the last week, USB host support got released for the nook, adding in a second hardware feature officially unlocked. Dalingrin, Fattire, nemith verygreen, and others, have been tirelessly working on our device, and that doesn't show signs of stopping.
As it is, we have gone from a basic ereader, to:
a fully fledged tablet running Android 2.3, overclocked to 1.2-1.3Ghz, with hidden bluetooth and USB host enabled, and dev support that has not faltered since Nov. I would not trade our dev group for any other out there.
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Thank you! Isn't it quality that we want over quantity? I'd much rather have 1 GOOD implementation of an OS than 20 bad ones. CM7 is amazing, the work that Divine_Madcat and deeperblue did with HC is rather remarkable considering how little they had to work with.
It's kind of like a free market economy: those that are successful will float to the top, and that's what's happened in this dev community. The good ROMs have definitely stuck around, and the questionable ones didn't. That doesn't mean the community is on its death bed, it just means that the community is maturing. That's a very good thing, IMO.
Yeah, here's another small article on that 7" Android 3.2 tablet. I agree that it'd be wonderful if this could be brought over to the Nook Color, whether it's built from source (ideal scenario) or "ported" from an existing build as with the current Honeycomb builds for the NC. Just the fact that everything is tuned for the exact size screen we have is huge!
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Yeah, here's another small article on that 7" Android 3.2 tablet. I agree that it'd be wonderful if this could be brought over to the Nook Color, whether it's built from source (ideal scenario) or "ported" from an existing build as with the current Honeycomb builds for the NC. Just the fact that everything is tuned for the exact size screen we have is huge!
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Sadly, i don't see it helping too much. The build from that device MIGHT help get rid of the 120DPI limitation, but that is about it.
Now, if somebody were to release a HC tablet built on the Omap 3630, we would be much closer to business...
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Sadly, i don't see it helping too much. The build from that device MIGHT help get rid of the 120DPI limitation, but that is about it.
Now, if somebody were to release a HC tablet built on the Omap 3630, we would be much closer to business...
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Like the phone market, if someone released a low budget HC tablet running a single core. Don't see it happening though.
There are three things that excite me about this Android 3.2 tablet:
1. Honeycomb being changed for a 7 inch screen. I always thought Honeycomb was too much for 7 inches (without going to an insane low DPI). I would love to know what tweaks they made.
2. Unless I missed something this is the first Honeycomb tablet that is not Tegra. That hopefully means the days of Honeycomb apps being Tegra only in many cases is coming to an end. Since Chainfire doesn't work on Honeycomb it would be nice if the app developers did away with the Tegra requirement voluntarily.
3. I am excited that the above two improvements will surely be baked into ICS from the start, meaning that once we DO get the source for Android tablets, we will be able to have a version made for a 7 inch screen.
As far as getting before ICS? Well to me it seems like Honeycomb 3.2 is to Huawei what Honeycomb 3.0 was to Motorola- an OS they get first as reward for being such good Android vendors (read $$$).
It will be winter before we know it, then we get the source for all this cool stuff. Google's gotta pay for that Honeycomb development first...
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For some reason it seems the Nook Color Community is dying out. When I got my Nook around March, there were at least 2 new threads in the dev section everyday.
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I think there are two reasons for that. One is the release of Cyanogenmod stable, the other is Google announcing that they will not release the source code for Honeycomb. CM covers that basics pretty well, and the lack of HC source makes it difficult to explore the cutting edge.
I think that Cyanogenmod will eventually release a ROM for the Nook Color based on Ice Cream Sandwich, when (or if) Google decides to release the source code for that. The ICS source code may revive the rest of the Nook Color development community as well by making it easier to put out cutting edge ROMs.
"ICS by the end of the year" could mean Cyanogenmod and others won't get their hands on the source code until December 31. What I find unsettling about this situation is that right now the manufacturers of new tablets have to crawl on their hands and knees to Google in order to release a Honeycomb tablet. Once Google gets used to having that power and control, will they ever go back to the old, more open way again?
While I do NOT want to wait 'til December for Google to get its act together, the current state of CM does a lot for my patience. I'll use a gadget for as long as it's useful to me. The Palm IIIx still gets used every day, the NC may be no different.
I am planning to buy a galaxy tab 10.1. But i am a little bit confused here. Some of my friend told me that Untill ICS is released dont buy a Android Tab because HC will not get much apps and all developers are waiting for ICS.
Is ICS worth waiting for??
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i should grab one as soon as i can?? will Samsung give an upgrade to ICS??
---I am sure a noob in android as i havent used any android devices before.----
There's a good chance Samsung will update the Tab to ICS but there's no way of being sure.
It's a headline device, it would be bad press to leave it stuck on an older version of Android.
The Tab 10.1 is a great tablet, wonderful hardware but depending on what your needs are, it might be worth waiting for the 7.7 which will have a better screen and better CPU.
I just got the Galaxy Tab and I am completely satisfied with it. I feel ICS will come when it's ready.
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yup, also hoping that the tab will be upgradable to ICS
We really don't know much about ics yet. As for apps it will still be the same until devs start developing more for tablets.
PhantomHacker said:
We really don't know much about ics yet. As for apps it will still be the same until devs start developing more for tablets.
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It will have some effect on app availability.
ICS combines Gingerbread and Honeycomb into a single OS, so apps that work on phones will work on tablets.
The other thing it seems set to spark is the leap into phones with WXGA screens (ie the same res as the Tab), which means that apps designed to run natively on those phones will work fine on tablets - it really is a matter of tablets being over-sized phones.
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It will have some effect on app availability.
ICS combines Gingerbread and Honeycomb into a single OS, so apps that work on phones will work on tablets.
The other thing it seems set to spark is the leap into phones with WXGA screens (ie the same res as the Tab), which means that apps designed to run natively on those phones will work fine on tablets - it really is a matter of tablets being over-sized phones.
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I dont think ICS will ever come to tab 10.1. Big companies behave badly towards their customers, and Samsung is a big, very big player now. People still wait for Samsung to release a Gingerbread update to their Gtab 7 around the world. Some have received it and some installed themselves. One of their froyo updates had wifi issues and they havent even bother to fix it. Samsung releases too many devices within a short period of time. Companies with lesser amount of models try to give their best to the customers. Samsung will go on releasing new Tab models and forget the older ones. I will be surprised if the contrary happens.
There's a couple of awesome devs in this forum that will make sure we get ICS regardless of Samsung intentions.
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There's a couple of awesome devs in this forum that will make sure we get ICS regardless of Samsung intentions.
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+1 Always trust the community
I too think Samsung will never release ICS for this device... Tablet technology goes forward so fast that Tab 10.1 will be obsolete in a few months... and that is very unfortunate.
You are forgetting one thing, Google announced at IO that they made a agreement with most large manufacturers (including Samsung) to provide updates to the latest Android version at least for 18 months after device launch . So Samsung must update the GT10.1 to ICS at some point.
That scheme was mooted but hasn't been implemented in any way.
There are no guarantees of receiving support for a device for a particular length of time.
Apps are apps...they can be tweaked to work with any version of Android post 2.2, really. We don't know that ICS is going to be the holy grail or anything.
I think the same rule applies here that would to any gadget: if you want/need one now then go get one. There will always be something newer/shinier/better released in a few months that will make you more appealing to the opposite sex and make your life utterly complete. Worrying that you don't have the absolute latest toy is missing the point of using the things entirely.
Step666 said:
It will have some effect on app availability.
ICS combines Gingerbread and Honeycomb into a single OS, so apps that work on phones will work on tablets.
The other thing it seems set to spark is the leap into phones with WXGA screens (ie the same res as the Tab), which means that apps designed to run natively on those phones will work fine on tablets - it really is a matter of tablets being over-sized phones.
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But, if an app is developed for say 4inch phones, it will look distorted or pixelated no matter what os your running.
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But, if an app is developed for say 4inch phones, it will look distorted or pixelated no matter what os your running.
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Not if they have the same screen resolution.
get the tablet. ICS will be out before the next Samsung tablet. The galaxy tab 7.7 is not going to be sold in the united states.
thanx for help buddies. I have decided to buy a GTab10.1 .
google has been organizing developer days to get android developers hyped up and taught about the features of honeycomb as well as having a tablet/phone single app and having features be backwards/fowards compatible.
it's surprisingly not that hard to update an app to look reasonable on a tablet
ICS will be open-source. Enough said.
Itaintrite said:
ICS will be open-source. Enough said.
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Hey everyone,
I figured some of you might find this a good read. Since the Xoom is my favorite Android device of all time, I decided to finally sit and write a retrospective on the OG Android tablet. I'm interested in feedback and comments.
Thanks!
http://www.randomphantasmagoria.com/the-motorola-xoom-a-retrospective/
Good read,
The Xoom is defiantly my best ever investment, I use it more than my laptop purely because it's light, easier on the lap, more manoeuvrable!
I personally think though the Nexus 10 probably is the successor, I don't think it's as good purely because of Android 4.2 onwards, the tablet UI is really inconvenient in the middle I find. Custom roms compensate for this, EOS include an option to have the softkeys 4.1 style which is far easier and simpler.
I still find it really interesting that google didn't open source honeycomb!
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I still find it really interesting that google didn't open source honeycomb!
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They did eventually. They released the Honeycomb source the same day they released the Ice Cream Sandwich source. According to Google at the time, the reason they never open-sourced Honeycomb was because of the fact that it was designed specifically for tablets. They were afraid that the development community would begin trying to shoehorn Honeycomb onto phones. This had a large potential to create horrible user experiences since they'd basically have to create a phone interface from nothing. Once ICS launched, that risk went away since ICS ran seamlessly across phones and tablets, therefore open-sourcing Honeycomb was no longer an UI/UX liability.
I remember a group of people trying to take the SDK build of Honeycomb and port it to the Nexus S. They found there was a phone interface built into Honeycomb but it was only half there and was basically unusable. It's pretty well known that Honeycomb wasn't a finished product.
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They did eventually. They released the Honeycomb source the same day they released the Ice Cream Sandwich source. According to Google at the time, the reason they never open-sourced Honeycomb was because of the fact that it was designed specifically for tablets. They were afraid that the development community would begin trying to shoehorn Honeycomb onto phones and creating horrible user experiences since they'd basically have to create it from nothing. Once ICS launched, that risk went away since ICS ran seamlessly across phones and tablets, therefore open-sourcing Honeycomb was no longer an UI/UX liability.
I remember a group of people trying to take the SDK build of Honeycomb and port it to the Nexus S. They found there was a phone interface built into Honeycomb but it was only half there and was basically unusable.
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Oh yeah, I remember them doing it once ICS was open, bit pointless really.
Yeah the ZTE blade had an sdk port, was terrible though, nothing worked, more of a proof of concept thing
Brought back some painful memories! But in the end I guess it all worked out. I still don't need a new 10" tablet so after 2 1/2 years I guess she's earned her keep. I did get the new N7 but its a completely different experience so I don't consider it cheating.
Even if the Xoom ends up on 4.2.2 it will continue to be a great tablet for my family for years to come.
Very nice. Thanks! :good: