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Any news about FroYo

FroYo is the "codename" of the next android update. Thats the only thing I know about this. Even the google search shows only two results about this Android FroYo. Anyone here knows more about this update, any speculations, confirmed features or release date? Please share...

faraz1992 said:
FroYo is the "codename" of the next android update. Thats the only thing I know about this. Even the google search shows only two results about this Android FroYo. Anyone here knows more about this update, any speculations, confirmed features or release date? Please share...
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/exclusive-android-froyo-to-take-a-serious-shot-at-stemming-plat/
Exclusive: Android Froyo to take a serious shot at stemming platform fragmentation
By Chris Ziegler posted Mar 29th 2010 11:16AM
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We had a couple people at CTIA last week -- people whose words carry weight -- tell us off the record that the next major version of Android would take big strides toward stopping the ugly trend toward severe fragmentation that has plagued the platform for much of this and last year. You know, the kind of fragmentation that has already left users running not one, not two, not three, but four distinct versions of the little green guy (1.5, 1.6, 2.0, and 2.1) depending on a seemingly arbitrary formula of hardware, carrier, region, software customization, and manufacturers' ability to push updates in a timely fashion. Put simply, Google's been iterating the core far faster than most of its partners have been able to keep up.
Thing is, in light of our CTIA conversations, we didn't have an idea of how Google planned on fixing this -- until now. We've been given reason to believe that the company will start by decoupling many of Android's standard applications and components from the platform's core and making them downloadable and updatable through the Market, much the same as they've already done with Maps. In all likelihood, this process will take place over two major Android versions, starting with Froyo and continuing through Gingerbread. Notice that we said apps and components, meaning that some core elements of Android -- input methods, for instance -- should get this treatment. This way, just because Google rolls out an awesome new browser doesn't mean you need to wait for HTC, Samsung, or whomever made your phone to roll it into a firmware update, and for your carrier to approve it -- almost all of the juicy user-facing stuff will happen through the Market.
The second part of this doubled-edged attack on platform fragmentation comes from a simple reality: we're hearing that Google may be nearing the end of its breakneck development pace on Android's core and shifting attention to apps and features. By the time we get to Froyo, the underlying platform -- and the API that devs need to target -- will be reaching legitimate maturity for the first time, which means we should have far fewer tasty treat-themed code names to worry about over the course of an average year. We like awesome new software as much as the next guy, but Google's been moving so fast lately that they've created a near constant culture of obsolescence anxiety among the hardcore user base -- and in turn, that leads to paralysis at the sales counter.
How much of this strategy actually materializes -- and how effective it is at changing the direction of the platform at large -- remains to be seen, but it sounds like a promising turn of events. Considering it's been a solid five months since the Eclair SDK premiered, that's an eternity in Google years; time to shake things up a bit, we reckon.
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I the defragmentation is a great idea though it doesnt really affect me too much. Any news about new features and software fixes that may be included in froyo?
Also is there any word on smaller, sooner updates for fixes or features or are we certain that froyo will be the next ota? I've had no success searching with Google. Thanks

Ive heard nothing nor seen anything that makes me think Froyo will add any feature or functionality worth noting.
IMO The fact they are addressing fragmentation is a big deal. The fact they have opened up some APIs is also a big deal. But only down the road and for developers.
As for the end user The only things to really look forward to is flash and core player ((if that ever even comes out)). None of those are coming from Google.
Iphone adding multitasking is going to shift things majorly into "even" status for Apple/Android IMO.
Only ace up Androids sleeve is Flash.
Copy/paste , Gmail app , image quality , etc arent likely to be fixed or refined.

xManMythLegend said:
Ive heard nothing nor seen anything that makes me think Froyo will add any feature or functionality worth noting.
IMO The fact they are addressing fragmentation is a big deal. The fact they have opened up some APIs is also a big deal. But only down the road and for developers.
As for the end user The only things to really look forward to is flash and core player ((if that ever even comes out)). None of those are coming from Google.
Iphone adding multitasking is going to shift things majorly into "even" status for Apple/Android IMO.
Only ace up Androids sleeve is Flash.
Copy/paste , Gmail app , image quality , etc arent likely to be fixed or refined.
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Multitasking is a big thing for apple users but i don't think its going to convert any androider to an iphoner.
Once FroYo comes out and removes the fragmentation of android versions, google will shift its focus to developing applications and I'm sure it will soon catch up with apple's app market but with more free apps...

It seems likely the JIT will finally ship
http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/sessions/jit-compiler-androids-dalvik-vm.html
Early/leaked/(faked?) benchmarks show significant performance boosts across the board.

xManMythLegend said:
Ive heard nothing nor seen anything that makes me think Froyo will add any feature or functionality worth noting.
IMO The fact they are addressing fragmentation is a big deal. The fact they have opened up some APIs is also a big deal. But only down the road and for developers.
As for the end user The only things to really look forward to is flash and core player ((if that ever even comes out)). None of those are coming from Google.
Iphone adding multitasking is going to shift things majorly into "even" status for Apple/Android IMO.
Only ace up Androids sleeve is Flash.
Copy/paste , Gmail app , image quality , etc arent likely to be fixed or refined.
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Actually, this is a solid plan to put them right up there with Apple in terms of believability. I mean this to the common user, that it will be a completely customizable os, this might actually unleash a beast upon Apple if they do it right. Think about it, total Android domination because there will finally be a uniform operating system to work with for all manufacturers. Lastly, if true, this could mean the long awaited "catch up" for the Android market towards Apples app market. (don't understand why, more apps doesn't=good apps)

faraz1992 said:
Multitasking is a big thing for apple users but i don't think its going to convert any androider to an iphoner.
Once FroYo comes out and removes the fragmentation of android versions, google will shift its focus to developing applications and I'm sure it will soon catch up with apple's app market but with more free apps...
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One of the first things someone says (almost 90% of the time) is "it multi tasks"... when someone asks what can android do Iphone cant.
You remove that edge, you cant rely on "it does widgets".
IMO it would make people less likely to leave iphone and some that left ok with going back.
Android would then need something else thats truly big like "oh it plays Flash" to hold an edge. Considering the hardware rumors of the iPhone 4g I think its going to be desperately needed.
This is sort of the same boat Apple is in now..Android can now say "we do pinch zoom" so a big Apple + is now gone.
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Actually, this is a solid plan to put them right up there with Apple in terms of believability. I mean this to the common user, that it will be a completely customizable os, this might actually unleash a beast upon Apple if they do it right. Think about it, total Android domination because there will finally be a uniform operating system to work with for all manufacturers. Lastly, if true, this could mean the long awaited "catch up" for the Android market towards Apples app market. (don't understand why, more apps doesn't=good apps)
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Definitely not knocking the plan. Fragmentation is a bigger issue than say refining copy/paste. I just mean that unlike previous updates theres nothing to be wetting our appetites over. Unless they actually do sneak in some great refinements.

Quite interesting xManMythLegend, multi tasking was one of our strong points. Without it, Android won't have much to back it up with - other than our customization, development, open source-ness, flash, color notifications, etc. etc..
What will the new iPhone have that will make it so new exactly? Well multi tasking is quite awesome, and they probably will enable changing the wallpaper.. widgets hopefully won't make it. Hmm, I cant really rebel until I get some more information about this 4th OS...

@xManMythLegend
I apologize I wasn't really knocking you either. I was just giving more thought maybe? (question mark because idk if it's been mentioned this way)

xManMythLegend said:
One of the first things someone says (almost 90% of the time) is "it multi tasks"... when someone asks what can android do Iphone cant.
You remove that edge, you cant rely on "it does widgets".
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How about free VoiP calls forever?
http://lifehacker.com/5512444/google-voice-desktop-client-could-be-on-the-way

xManMythLegend said:
Definitely not knocking the plan. Fragmentation is a bigger issue than say refining copy/paste. I just mean that unlike previous updates theres nothing to be wetting our appetites over. Unless they actually do sneak in some great refinements.
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Im not sure it needs "great" refinements. It just needs refinement period. All those little things like not being able to adjust the font size in messaging add up. My guess is they will fix some of these things and while individually they are just little niggles, cumulatively they add up to a weaker user experience. The iphone has had hardware weaknesses for years and did at introduction but the user experience has been quite good and handsets moved off the shelf.
I have to agree that if there was anything revolutionary would would have got a whiff of it by now. My guess is however they do plug/fix/remove a whole bunch of those little niggles and this is a good thing that in total should improve the experience for the end user. The hardware aspect on the iphone appears more catch up than leap frog to me.
Proper outlook integration is a fundamental flaw in android for business users. Proper and complete syncing of outlook, both exchange and direct to desktop outlook, should be built in. I understand that google wants to lock users into their services but outlook is pretty much a standard and near ubiquitous. The lack of this one thing will lock out a large number of users at least in the near term foreseeable future. It is my hope they add this in at some point and the sooner the better.

Eclair~ said:
Quite interesting xManMythLegend, multi tasking was one of our strong points. Without it, Android won't have much to back it up with - other than our customization, development, open source-ness, flash, color notifications, etc. etc..
What will the new iPhone have that will make it so new exactly? Well multi tasking is quite awesome, and they probably will enable changing the wallpaper.. widgets hopefully won't make it. Hmm, I cant really rebel until I get some more information about this 4th OS...
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check this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=660334

mafaesto said:
@xManMythLegend
I apologize I wasn't really knocking you either. I was just giving more thought maybe? (question mark because idk if it's been mentioned this way)
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No need for apology
Landscape just got interesting. Im really curious how this freindly face slapping will effect us in the next few months and beyond.

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IMO it would make people less likely to leave iphone and some that left ok with going back.
Android would then need something else thats truly big like "oh it plays Flash" to hold an edge. Considering the hardware rumors of the iPhone 4g I think its going to be desperately needed...
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Android boasting they can play flash is not a OS upgrade in the least and is not something android should boast about, this is simple software. I believe froyo is going to be actual changes to the os which will bring a slightly different experience.
As for the hardware, by the time the Nexus 2 is ready to be released qualcomm would have completed their 1.3 and the dual 1.5 processors. The Nexus 2 will probably incorporate one of these.

No one mentioned the included Portable App Engine. Also should come with Duke Nukem Legend I hear

Couple things:
First of all, iPhone OS 4 isn't going to offer "true" multitasking. What it's doing is providing an API through which some of the phone's functions can be accessed by an app that is in a suspended state.
For a majority of average users, this will probably be enough. But it's not perfect multi-tasking. It's Apple's attempt to reduce the disadvantages of multi-tasking for non-techie people (apps consuming lots of CPU cycles, battery life destruction).
Second of all, there will still be no widgets which, in my opinion, is one of the primary draws for me towards Android and away from my iPhone.
Third, there will still be the major stumbling block of Apple not allowing true system integration of apps. For instance, they will never allow Google Voice apps (if they allow them in the store at all) to take over the native dialer. You still can't have a Gmail app that is charged with being the default system email app. Without things like this, there's still going to be a fundamental disconnect when customizing the system, and a substantial reason for developers to code for the Android platform.
Fourth, Apple's tight integration of hardware and software mean that, no matter what, people who want choices in their phone's hardware are going to go with Android. If I want a small, metal, unibody phone - Android has one. If I want a big ol' touchscreen and fast processor - Android has one. If I want a physical keyboard - yep, that's Android.
I don't see iPhone OS4 or the new hardware as going to keep me on the iPhone platform. Right now I'm being particularly budget-conscious, so I'm not switching immediately, but there are still a lot of advantages to the Android platform other than "multi-tasking."

binary visions said:
First of all, iPhone OS 4 isn't going to offer "true" multitasking. What it's doing is providing an API through which some of the phone's functions can be accessed by an app that is in a suspended state.
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Hmm, I wonder which other mobile OS does that...

But if i press home while the Browser is loading a page, and send a text, when i got back to the Browser it has done loading the page.
With iPhone 4 will the browser just suspend and not continue loading the webpage?

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But if i press home while the Browser is loading a page, and send a text, when i got back to the Browser it has done loading the page.
With iPhone 4 will the browser just suspend and not continue loading the webpage?
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The iPhone OS already loads the browser in the background.

Nexus One. We're being phased out, and quickly.

NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore. Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis. I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that, and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users. Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special. I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
Simply, I absolutely LOVE my Nexus One, but i feel like it is not getting the support it deserves, and i DO NOT want this beautiful piece of technology to be obsolete by september. i hope you guys are with me on this, because i think we all know that this phone could easily be something BETTER than what it is now. and it SHOULD be able to compete with any phone within a year from now because it's Google's baby. GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money. Because, even though i feel like this is the best phone i've ever had, 1) i feel like it'll be obsolete in a few months and 2) im starting to feel like i wasted my money.
long live nexus

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The Nexus one will be the standard by which all android phones are measured for at-least another year.
Keeping everything pure AOSP is a huge plus IMO.
Official updates are slow, but code is being committed to the repository regularly and makes it on to the custom ROMS very quickly.
There is no phone out there with better features and community support than the one you have
There is no other phone on google.com/phone... so we are still the only child.

Google is trying to catch up the rest of the android world to 2.1
VZ cut them off it seems from the N1 and instead VZ gets another great Android handset.
Froyo has some much needed upgrades and will help (in theory) android solidify itself by stabilizing the platform for devs.
JIT/Flash/Market /Open GL / market upgrades are on there way if you believe the rumors.
What is it you feel is being phased out ?
Only about 500k users have an N1. Thats a miniscule amount.
Even with that we have two great devs putting out some very stable ROMS. Unlike the past N1 came with so many damn features out of box that we didnt need ROMs and Apps to add the 101 missing features.
Listen I am still up in Googles rectum about alot of features that need to be fixed/enhanced on Android. We all knew N1 was the first of the snapdragons. The others are storming in blasting taking attention away from us...but theyre all on the same team....they all bleed green =-)
Sure Id love to be slapping on Sense widgets , Moto Blur social network apps , etc...but thats up to us as a community to do it (if ever technically possible).
Anyways feel good about your purchase. You still have the best available phone on the market and will until the EVO/Iphone4G drop. And even then..youd still be top 3 at worst.

There isn't much development because there isn't much to do. The Nexus has the latest firmware and top specs. Of announced phones only the Evo and Galaxy S have significantly better specs everything else is just a SLIGHTLY upgraded Nexus. No porting apps or firmwares are needed. The only thing to really do is optimize what we have (cyanogen is doing that) and port sense UI (Paul is doing that). I'm happy with my Nexus .....for now hehe

zach I can understand the complaints about some of the nagging issues the phone has had (3G, purple tint etc.) but two things we have to realize: A majority of the users don't experience these problems, and in no way is our phone going to be obsolete anytime soon.
Here is a post I made regarding the Incredible screen, I think it's relevant here:
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Here's my take:
Would I like to have this screen in my Nexus? Yea it would have been a nice feature. Do I need this screen? No, not in the slightest.. Not yet anyways. The only apps that would require a screen like that are games, and I don't play the type of games on my phone that would require axis-crossing multitouch. I know some people do, and I can respect that but I don't, hence why I don't care about this right now.
Frankly, if you're playing those kinds of games anyways, just get an iPhone (and I'm not saying that in a bad way). iPhone is unmatched when it comes to gameplay and plus you can get them all for free if you jailbreak. Yea The Incredible has a capable screen, but do you know long it's going to take Android to catch up to Apple when it comes to game quality?? Android just got games like Racing Thunder 2 and Homerun Battle 3D while you can play Street Fighter 4 and freaking Grand Theft Auto on the iPhone! It's no competition.. if you want to game, you don't have the right phone.
By the time Android actually starts developing games and apps that can take advantage of the axis crossing MT, The Incredible will be "obsolete" (as some of you like to put it) so no need for everyone to get their panties in a bunch
With most things I normally have a realist perspective and am usually the first to 'hate' on something when its deserved, but alot of you guys are just a bunch of downers. The Incredible is a great phone as is the Nexus, everyone should just appreciate what they have! If you keep chasing the newest technology (no matter how impractical it is) you will never be satisfied!
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
Regarding the selection of ROMS.. Guys, right now we have the top of the line OS on our phones.. 2.1 is the standard, most of the G1/Magic ROMS are trying to replicate what we already have stock. Believe me, once Froyo and Android 3.0 come out the devs will be right on it and we'll get awesome ports. We have great developers who will make sure our phones have the newest software on our devices.
And if worst comes to worst and some of you decide to sell your Nexus this summer, it will have excellent resale value.

Don't worry, This is the phone Google are actively giving to developers. We'll be here for a while to come yet.

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I most definetely do not believe the nexus one will be phased out anytime soon, actually i will be ordering one tonight as a matter of fact. yes we may not have the best touch screens or the greatest rom develipment, but that is because we are still number one There are no other builds to even create until phones of this caliber runnng other os are on the scene. And for the touch screen issue, whe the time comes to where we truely need multitouch for games on the market out nexus's WILL be outdated, or there WILL be a fix for this, i mean geez Cyanogen has nearly finished a fully working Eclair for the g1 already, all i see is hope and excitment for the future of this device, the market also needs some serious time to catch up to apples games (please dont get upset with this, its true) The only thing i can see actually outdating our phones are dual processors capable of OVER 1.5 otherwise i dont believe they will be extinct, not even the 1.3 samsung will hurt the nexus i think considering we can be oc'ed to 1.3 anyways i do believe, or at least close

I don't think that we're being phased out, not until another year. Each phone that comes in the market gets compared to Nexus One.
As far as the development is concerned, its very satisfactory. Comparing the development scene between N1 an iPhone, iPhone sold nearly 50x the units of N1 sold. So most app developers have their focus on iPhone as it stands them a better chance of making more money..... But still development on N1 is much better.....

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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
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I’m beginning to think some people have never bought a phone before, or a computer for that matter.
Did people expect the N1 to the absolute top spec phone forever? Seriously its still amazing compared to most, and measures up nicely in all significant ways to these new phones it keeps getting compared to. Stop trying to bury it before its even close to dead.
There is always something newer coming. No exceptions. There are phones in development now that will top the Evo and Incredible. At some point you have to buy something or you’ll wait forever.
The N1 is Google’s flag ship phone. I bought it for that reason. If Google is developing something cool (like FroYo!) its pretty much guaranteed to come to us first. Its not being phased out. I think there are exciting things to come…

You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
zachthemaster said:
NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory
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How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
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in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore.
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THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
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Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis.
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As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
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I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that
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Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
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and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
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Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special.
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If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
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I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
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Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.

I don't buy it. I don't like the multitouch sensor they used for the phone, and I think the scrolling could be smoother, but what do you really expect from Google? Short of them sending out free hardware upgrades, what are you really looking for to not feel phased out?
The Nexus One is a great phone, at least for me. Even with the multitouch issues, I'm able to pull off running jumps when I play Super Mario World and the like. And that issue is allegedly being worked on with 2.2. If they flat out said the Nexus One wasn't getting 2.2 then you could make the claim of the Nexus One being phased out.
As far as network issues go, I have zero problems with my AT&T Nexus One and 3G. I live in the DC Metro area, for what it's worth. Most problems I've heard from people are all on T-Mobile. Who's to say the problem isn't on T-Mobile's side instead of Google's? Everyone blames AT&T's network for the iPhone's network issues, but it's pretty clear that the radio in the iPhone is garbage.
We live in a time where there are 1ghz processors in handheld devices. Technology is advancing so fast. It's always going to hurt when your $500+ dollar device isn't the best around anymore, but do you really want forward progress to slow down so you feel like you have the best phone longer?
I think you're being overly paranoid, if you ask me. So long as you love the phone, what do you care?

danguyf said:
You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
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I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!

You can't compare the modding/dev community of the N1 to the iPhone anyways.
The iphone has FAR more units out there, and the Apple cult is still buying. The iPhone also has more that is needed as far as mods to make it a nice OS.
The iPhone also runs native binaries, so there seem to be a lot more standard systems written for it, or so I was told in my Q&A thread. The iPhone has full apt packaging system, full set of GNU tools, full OpenSSH suite, etc.
The iPhone also has a lot more core teams of dedicated modders, while Android seems to have 1-2, at least for the N1. This is, again, I think due to the fact that the iPhone needs more mods to make it a good OS.

Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.

Not even boobs can rescue the OP's post.

martin0285 said:
I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
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Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
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I agree wholeheartedly with both of you.

zachthemaster said:
NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete.
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Can you link these posts?
How is the N1 becoming obsolete? What are your reasons? I have yet to see any indication of this.
updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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What kind of crap is this? Yes, the N1 has received 1 update. Which is 1 more than MANY other Android phones in YEARS.
Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly.
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Here's the Android source code:
http://android.git.kernel.org/
Get to work!
GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money
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Give more WHAT?

Enjoy the wave for as long as it lasts... which will be a long time
Tech wise phones go obsolete much faster than a PC ever would for the simple fact that you are in a closed environment. You can't upgrade the RAM, graphics or CPU on one of these things so shelf life is in terms of months not years. But that's not to say that support will go away for the N1 any time soon. OP is just acknowledging/exhibiting the mid-life crisis that the N1 is in currently. It's still the flagship product and a benchmark for every phone slated to be released this year. Next year may be different--hell I'm sure it will be--but for now, we're good and there's enough power that it'll still be viable 2 years from now. If you need a current tangible example, just look at how many G1's there are out there and how long that phone has been out.
I came from the dismally dysfunctional land of the Epix from Samsung where between them and AT&T, they couldn't figure out who was suppose to be doing the obligatory reach-around. With the N1 there are no more worries about the carrier holding up the updates for a fix to a major problem introduced by another fix almost a year prior for an infantile notification issue., there are no more issues with contractual obilgations to corporate partnerships (Yahoo) with draconian imposed restrictions to enforce it(backflip) and mostly there's no more waiting for the mfg to finally update their license to a newer version OS if they even bother going that route to begin with. Open architecture, open software and an infinite amount of potential for old and new phones is why I'm here and I'm sure a bunch of others are too.
So to anyone else reading this and especially to Sprint customers that are waiting for the N1, catch the wave however you want(N1, Evo, etc) but enjoy it for what it is--a long great ride and loads of fun--cowabunga!

Did somebody say boobs? Er, was I supposed to get something else out of this?

Samsung Give Response To Gingerbread on Galaxy S

Well looks like Pocket-Lint prodded Samsung UK about Gingerbread and as usual Samsung doesn't give much away lol,
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/37199/samsung-galaxy-s-android-update
There's the article.
I mean barring the NFC chip isnt it an identical handset ? lol
Funny PR Department guess if they shout out yes so loud might put off people buying the S

Sounds like it's just coming from a clueless PR guy, trying to sound good without actually answering the question. Canned response for these type of questions maybe.
Pretty useless statement really.

The thing is when you read it, its not good English, doesn't look like it's come from Samsung UK but maybe they've gone back to Korea and got that answer . . .
Hopefully PR in Korea

http://twitter.com/#!/Samsung_Mobiles/status/12437775529803776

got_milk said:
http://twitter.com/#!/Samsung_Mobiles/status/12437775529803776
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i hope this true, samsung should not leave us just like that. At least, gingerbread or honeycomb version for our phone...

it will come, it is easy for them to do and they still want to sell the phone, it is still Samsungs flagship phone.

ijat91 said:
i hope this true, samsung should not leave us just like that. At least, gingerbread or honeycomb version for our phone...
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Ginger will be avaiable for galaxy S, honeycomb probably won't ( i mean, in official way)

Any company who wont adapt the latest android to a phone thats almost identical to one they have already done the legwork for wont be getting future phone purchases from me. Sad because google picked samsung for their strong hardware, and google can ignore the ****e software samsung offers

I would think we will get gingerbread and honeycomb, I cant see any real reason why we wont.

Lynchy30 said:
I would think we will get gingerbread and honeycomb, I cant see any real reason why we wont.
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ever thought about greed?
companies wants to sell new HW, and so samsung.

http://pocketnow.com/android/why-samsung-will-never-update-galaxy-s-to-gingerbread
well here is well thought out reason why we wont get gingerbread

Very few people base their phone purchase on the software so even if they put android 3.0 onto the galaxy s but had new phones with dual cores and big fat gpus in them also running 3.0 I am pretty sure the galaxy S wouldnt dint sale of the new phones.
The truth though about 2.3 is it wont really offer any advantage to the Galaxy S. The performance increases people mention would only be seen if they decided to ditch touchwiz3 and start using googles new UI API with their own skins. Google have already said a lot of the performance issues on previous android devices was caused by company added UIs thats why the developed their own "skinable" UI. All the additional features of gingerbread such as gravity, barometer sensors, NFC, multiple cameras, multiple displays, openGL enhancements etc etc all require specific hardware for such features to be utilised which ofc the Galaxy S doesn't have. On top of that it does cost the industry a lot of money to impliment, people mention that the Nexus S has 2.3 so it's easy to migrate and it could very well mean that sim free galaxy S models do indeed get an upgrade but its not gauranteed that all the carriers/operators are also willing to invest and time, money, resources it bug checking, branding (where applicable) on an old device.
I have been playing around with 2.3 for a day or so and to be honest based on my 2.1/2.2 test hardware there is little to no noticable difference.
A few changes I noticed
Battery icon now vertical
New Icon when text fields are highlighted showing field name (great one this)
Things like Exchange support home screen control, widgets, calendars, browser etc etc just all the same functionality and performance as 2.2
Read the link your posted Ming930919 is bull**** though because that article is purely basing the fact that people will ONLY buy a Nexus S for gingerbread and nothing else which is utter ****e.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/12/09/samsung.to.bring.android.23.to.galaxy.s.phones/
someone thinks it will come..when, who knows.

Ming930919 said:
http://pocketnow.com/android/why-samsung-will-never-update-galaxy-s-to-gingerbread
well here is well thought out reason why we wont get gingerbread
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they say right under it that samsung prove them wrong...

ijat91 said:
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Ginger facial hair is not very pleasant to look at.

[NEWS] Galaxy Tab Won't Get Honeycomb / Android 3.0

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/010411-galaxy-tab-wont-get-honeycomb.html
"single-core Android tablets like Samsung's Galaxy Tab won't meet the minimum requirements for Honeycomb, Google's tablet-optimized operating system version, according to a manufacturer.
Bobby Cha, managing director of Korean consumer electronics firm Enspert, told PCMag that Honeycomb will require a dual-core Cortex A9 processor to run properly. So far, the only chipset to include this processor is Nvidia's Tegra 2, due to appear in many Android tablets at the Consumer Electronics Show this week.
Cha said that a minimum screen resolution of 1280-by-720 may also be necessary, but he noted that Honeycomb-based tablets will come with seven-inch screens and larger.
Samsung's Galaxy Tab has a 1 GHz Hummingbird processor and a 1024-by-600 resolution display. The company has previously suggested that the Galaxy Tab would update no further than the smartphone-focused Android 2.3 ("Gingerbread"), but Cha's comments appear to seal the Tab's fate as a rapidly aging product."

Oh god...not another thread about this crap!
So what...go return your TAB then...stop being a baby about it!
Your TAB said 2.2....consider yourself lucky if you get 2.3 on it let alone 3.0!
By the time 3.0 is out and about...there will be lots of nice tablets to buy!
If not...im sure CM will be ported to single core phones and tabs...boo hoo, too bad so sad!

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Oh god...not another thread about this crap!
So what...go return your TAB then...stop being a baby about it!
Your TAB said 2.2....consider yourself lucky if you get 2.3 on it let alone 3.0!
By the time 3.0 is out and about...there will be lots of nice tablets to buy!
If not...im sure CM will be ported to single core phones and tabs...boo hoo, too bad so sad!
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Wow...just..wow..
Anyway, is their anyway to confirm if this is true? If it is that well sucks, but at the same time to be expected..I mean something new in computers and phones always comes out and Tablets follow under the category of those things.

vamp6x6x6x said:
Wow...just..wow..
Anyway, is their anyway to confirm if this is true? If it is that well sucks, but at the same time to be expected..I mean something new in computers and phones always comes out and Tablets follow under the category of those things.
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Are you amazed at the rate of consumer electronics?
Technology is advancing faster and faster due to the demand and hype! This is fact!
Also...Samsung, nor XDA, nor Google promised any of us 2.3 or 3.0 for the current Samsung Galaxy Tab...that is a fact!
I'm just tired of these thread poping up every few minutes with complainers that the Tab doesnt have dual core or this and that....and it's not going to get this or tab. You should be Wowing at that!!!!

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Are you amazed at the rate of consumer electronics?
Technology is advancing faster and faster due to the demand and hype! This is fact!
Also...Samsung, nor XDA, nor Google promised any of us 2.3 or 3.0 for the current Samsung Galaxy Tab...that is a fact!
I'm just tired of these thread poping up every few minutes with complainers that the Tab doesnt have dual core or this and that....and it's not going to get this or tab. You should be Wowing at that!!!!
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Touche, I mean I personally am glad with my Galaxy Tab..I mean I knew what to expect when I got it...and as for honeycomb was kinda hoping but easy come easy go...but luckily even though xda didn't promise us 2.3 on our Tabs I am sure the nice devs here will try and find a way for us to get 2.3+

The false inferences from off the cuff commentary by people not directly involved in development of the OS should not be taken as factual information.

Actually Samsung has confirmed that they will release 2.3 for the Tab and Galaxy S devices. But it remains to be seen when that'll happen.

LOL, Any body want to sell their antiquated Galaxy Tab?
I've been looking to get one on AT&T or T-Mo... a trade for a mint 16GB iPhone4 perhaps???

This is allready stated as bogus, by Andy Rubin at CES. Now we just have to hope that Samsung pics up the pace.

Wrong information.

2.2 is already very good dont need upgrade as far as i am concern.

Hey rouge9, I have an at&t tab with the shrink wrap still on it ill trade you for an i4 if its in good shape.
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2.2 is already very good dont need upgrade as far as i am concern.
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Not to me. I mean right now it only has the same features mostly as my phone, but honeycomb will bring more greatness and hopefully make it so we dont have to use spare parts just to get a full screen.

Yeh full screen thing is really need to be fixed but what other features are you looking for?

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Yeh full screen thing is really need to be fixed but what other features are you looking for?
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Gmail to be better
A more better homescreen thing(like instead of all 9 homescreens being left to right make them go up and down as well
default browser to take full use of the bigger screen...and word wrap of course
And would love to see a select all files to drag and drop them all at once.

Just downloaded the SDK and had a good play.
It's actually incredibly impressive.
Wasn't sure how incremental of an upgrade, but it looks like it's really taking on some great feedback and ways to improve the flow of things.
Certainly includes a fair few of the utilities we all install as standard.
Sure it'll make it (eventually) to the Tab.

Um incorrect there are no hard minimimums on Android 3.0 as tweetd by their own dev team, this is totally false.
[Moderators please delete this stupid thread.]

I love my Tab the way it is. I'd rather wait for an XDA dev created mod than expect Samsung or Google to reward us with a simple update after we made 2010 a banner year for them.
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The above was written as part of an attempt to waste time using a Galaxy Tab,
Rush exMachina

so awesome when people cut and paste crap.
I myself love my gtab..barring some lockups and force closes....I use it daily as my workout device...i've gotten some odd looks but it's funny to see how many people actually try and nonchalantly glance over to watch the movie I have playing.
Unfortunately it will be short lived love affair i think...as the new G-slate is on the horizon and is superior in all ways but possibly the glass technology...i've been waiting for the tegra 2 processors ever since nvidia did their SOC demo a few years back.
all accounts i'll be taking off march 23'rd and heading to Tmo with my credit card in hand

If I can get honeycomb running fine on my tab at some point then I'm happy to keep using the same device, who knows maybe we'll get some tweaked honeycomb roms that are super smooth and amazing. I love my tab as it is though but I won't be able to justify buying a new tablet until my wife goes back to work after nursing school next year....so yea this device was my last hooray and I'll be squeezing as much out of it as I can.

This is why Android sucks - Update hell

Samsung has a great tablet but it is rapidly falling behind others in the updates.
And the BS about only rolling in certain markets to alienate customers.
Who does that?
Who in their right mind thinks that is a great idea?
So everywhere else your paying customers don't get the update they deserve.
Also we still don't have touchwiz, but Samsung is rolling out updates to certain people wtf? Some got Touchwiz, some got Google Movies, mine shows jack / nada / zilch.
Honestly, I don't know what Samsung's logic is for all this but it just sucks.

Stop whining.

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Samsung has a great tablet but it is rapidly falling behind others in the updates.
And the BS about only rolling in certain markets to alienate customers.
Who does that?
Who in their right mind thinks that is a great idea?
So everywhere else your paying customers don't get the update they deserve.
Also we still don't have touchwiz, but Samsung is rolling out updates to certain people wtf? Some got Touchwiz, some got Google Movies, mine shows jack / nada / zilch.
Honestly, I don't know what Samsung's logic is for all this but it just sucks.
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I only see Xoom and TF having HC 3.2 so far. Everybody else is still on 3.1.

It just came out...geez cry me a river...return and get a bulky tab with crappy screen....u sound like those guys on vibrant forum...go pout somewhere else! And most of us are running touchwiz...spend less time complaining about the best tab out and learn to flash.
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take it back and go get yourself an Ipad then

You sir need an I pad..

And you still got a GT 10.1 because...?

i do totally agree with you about Samsung really, really sucking it in the update department. The problem with Samsung is they build really awesome and powerful devices but they just don't build the software to match up with them. That is why we have XDA. Dude you can run touchwhiz and you can update. Just give it some time and you will see some better things on here that Samsung can't even come close to touching. This is a brand new tab and only a few weeks old. Give everyone a chance to pick one up and then this forum is going to blow up.

OP Samsung is a hardware company, google is the one who developed android. Because android does not belongs to Samsung thats why samsung cant do anything about updates and stuff. You can see Apple's updates moves fast because they are both hardware and software manufacturer so they can do fast updates they have one device to fix it. Google has so many devices to take care of and so many regions to consider. So it will take more time than usual. As you can see on samsung website that they uploaded the new drivers for pc and mac which was fast update because that update was in their hand. Samsung has nothing to blame about update if you want to blame then blame google.

Once ics comes out and the source is released there won't be a problem.

you are right about google
But the hardware vendors are responsible for the updates.
So it is Samsung.
Google has no idea how they are going to enforce update policy and there is no guarantee Samsung will even upgrade the 10.1.

i don't understand way people complain about updates. If it is that important root and flash.
A little game I play with fellow android users is ask them what version are they running most don't know or even know how to look.

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A little game I play with fellow android users is ask them what version are they running most don't know or even know how to look.
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I bet most of them would be able to tell you what features are buggy on their device though

stillblood said:
i don't understand way people complain about updates. If it is that important root and flash.
A little game I play with fellow android users is ask them what version are they running most don't know or even know how to look.
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What don't you understand? That I am a tech savy individual but want to have the most up-to-date software on my device in a timely time-frame? Or that I DO NOT want to Root or Flash my Tablet? Be serious. Your telling him to basically get a iPad because they offer updates across the board. That's not a good thing for Android.

DO NOT WANT TO ROOT OR FLASH !!?
WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON XDA THEN ?!! LOLZ
you guys are funny to post these complains here, if you want something official ?
go on Samsung's website/facebook or just send them a bunch of hate mail.
jeeez

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OP Samsung is a hardware company, google is the one who developed android. Because android does not belongs to Samsung thats why samsung cant do anything about updates and stuff. You can see Apple's updates moves fast because they are both hardware and software manufacturer so they can do fast updates they have one device to fix it. Google has so many devices to take care of and so many regions to consider. So it will take more time than usual. As you can see on samsung website that they uploaded the new drivers for pc and mac which was fast update because that update was in their hand. Samsung has nothing to blame about update if you want to blame then blame google.
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Actually 8. 2 iPhone's, 2 iPod Touches, 4 iPad's. #justsayin

Android is to college as the iPad is to high school. It's more work but the rewards are greater.
There are plenty of people happy with the iPad. Personally, I'm not going to settle for a device that my grandmother can use.

I'll never understand why people are so hell bent on having the latest upgrade of the OS on the devices they use. It's an over the top emotional quest for some.
The Galaxy Tab is a tool, a means to the end. It's not the end itself.
These are the same people that get a new car every two years because their car looks dated. It's a status thing that makes no sense.
If you can run the apps you need on the Galaxy Tab then it matters not what version Android is installed.

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I'll never understand why people are so hell bent on having the latest upgrade of the OS on the devices they use. It's an over the top emotional quest for some.
The Galaxy Tab is a tool, a means to the end. It's not the end itself.
These are the same people that get a new car every two years because their car looks dated. It's a status thing that makes no sense.
If you can run the apps you need on the Galaxy Tab then it matters not what version Android is installed.
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I'm sure that's the case for some and I agree with some of what you say, but I can say for me, however, that it is the allure of the promise of improved functionality. Anything that makes my device harder, better, faster, stronger is all right by me. Of course, roms can do that too, but some prefer "official" whether the reason is snobbery, stock OCD, timidness, what have you.

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I'm sure that's the case for some and I agree with some of what you say, but I can say for me, however, that it is the allure of the promise of improved functionality. Anything that makes my device harder, better, faster, stronger is all right by me. Of course, roms can do that too, but some prefer "official" whether the reason is snobbery, stock OCD, timidness, what have you.
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I look outside my office and see 10 cubicles, all with PCs running Windows XP. It's stable and runs like a work horse. And, you know what? They get their job done every day and go home at the end of the week with a paycheck. Never once have they asked for Windows 7.
I simply can't imagine what the next version of Android, or Touchwiz, will do for the average user to make it worth venting about on a public forum simply because they didn't get it NOW.