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Galaxy S is a wonderful phone with many-many hardware advantages but with one major disadvantage, and it's called Samsung Software Support.
I really like this phone but I believe that Froyo will be the last update that Samsung is going to give, so i believe that the only hope of this phone is custom Roms
Nexus One have great cookers like to support it. Does anyone have the intention to do the same thing for Galaxy S?
If you are worried about that, then don't buy the Galaxy S now. Wait a month or two and see how it looks then?
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Thats what I'm going to do, I don't plan to buy it now, but I have my eye on it and I didnt find any info on the subject, so I made this thread.
hey m8, i know how "Bad" samsung support is and I don't wanna disagree with your opinion but seriously, what major improvements to you want? ginger bread? has it even been stated what ginger bread will improve? for now 2.1 and 2.2 will be good.... and I don't even keep the same phone for longer than 1-2 years, technology improves to fast, phones get slimmer and nicer.
you get my point this is the best out there, take it enjoy it hack it but dont plan on keeping it for a decade.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, google said that in the next 6 months is going to amaze us. I believe that mean gingerbread.
I also believe that google has many innovations to show us with android so an upgradeable device is necessary.
Desvbo said:
hey m8, i know how "Bad" samsung support is and I don't wanna disagree with your opinion but seriously, what major improvements to you want? ginger bread? has it even been stated what ginger bread will improve? for now 2.1 and 2.2 will be good.... and I don't even keep the same phone for longer than 1-2 years, technology improves to fast, phones get slimmer and nicer.
you get my point this is the best out there, take it enjoy it hack it but dont plan on keeping it for a decade.
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True, true, but i mean at the very least some common and very easy bug fixes and stuff. I own the Omnia II and the only bug fixes come from cookers and very very few ppl who has privileged access to samsung new roms (and they "won't" tell where they get it from, so prolly insider roms imo).
By the way, what's that "amazing" thing google has announced??? hardware or software??
i think the "bad support" by samsung is exaggerated by people...
i would not call it bad support, if samsung releases updates to add the following long after the release of the phone (they could have said "we already got your money ... bad luck for you"):
they fixed photocontacts, then after it was fixed they changed photocontacts because people did not like the way it worked (but it worked nontheless)...
what company would change something after they just fixed it so it is not broken anymore ? that is really bad support, to hear the wishes and likes of how things should work (even if they are currently not broken).
then they gave us kinetic scrolling .. something that was never even mentioned as feature for the phone in the first place ...
i think its just greedy people who spend some money on a phone and now expect the manufacturer to keep it updated forever so it is always the best with all features that even where not invented when the phone initially was released ... go to work, earn some dollars and buy a new phone instead of expecting a company (whos target is to make money) to spend money just so you have the finest things for free without giving a dime for it and after that the spoilt users will still moarn that they did not get unlimited updates for free
If you check out their open source website, you will find Galaxy S' Kernel and driver. I'm not custom ROM developer, and dose not know about that well.
However, other XDA member said that this is enough to port other ROMs such as Sense UI.
According to Samsung Mobile twitter, Froyo will come 100%. Ginger-Bread is not clear.
I will buy Galaxy S. More people means More support from home cooker.
Gingerbread is going to come out next year. Google said they are going to only release an Android update once a year now. No one even knows what Gingerbread is going to offer next year so why worry about an update? Enjoy it now and enjoy it more when it gets Froyo.
DKYang said:
Gingerbread is going to come out next year. Google said they are going to only release an Android update once a year now. No one even knows what Gingerbread is going to offer next year so why worry about an update? Enjoy it now and enjoy it more when it gets Froyo.
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Agreed lol!
the 2.1 on the sammy seems VERY usable, yes forever, not just for a year, because it has nearly everything we would need.
the more you get, the more you want.
I question whether people actually sit down and think. Some say "no 2.2 froyo = a failure".. while before it was "no 2.1 = a failure".. and before that no "1.6 = a failure". it's a foolish never ending cycle of wanting more more more even though each version is fully usable.
seriously what kind of comment is that, the phone has everything almost, even if it doesn't according to the person, it has enough for us to use it as a phone and camera and internet and mp3/video.
I hope people will realize what is on the sammy is enough (unless you want to install themes only that's cool).
Obviously not indicative of whether or not the GS will get Gingerbread, but as for bug fixes Samsung are apparently releasing GS firmware updates in Singapore:
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2781948&page=95
From my own limited experience, there were several firmware updates for the Omnia I as well, although never an official upgrade from WinMo 6.1 to to 6.5 even though the phone could run it just fine (probably because they wanted to sell Omnia II instead).
Well, that's what i mean. I also had omnia, it's a very good phone that never got win6.5 officially even though it could.
That's what i'm afraid of with galaxy.
I expect many innovations with every new version of android so it would like to be able to have it in Galaxy s if im going to be an owner.
Lets hope that a great cooker is heading this way
Well, concerning Samsung's support, I'm pretty sure it's not going to be that bad. Samsung released Android 2.1 for the Galaxy Spica way before HTC has released Android 2.1 for the Hero. It's got a bed rep because of the way they handle the Behold I and II in the US and some Windows Mobile phones, and that's because they apparently don't want to support phones that haven't sold well (and probably because they have to pay for the Qualcomm drivers). Because the Galaxy S is probably going to be rather popular with its worldwide release and runs on Samsung's own hardware, I do think Samsung will supply us with an update, at least to Android 2.2.
As for ROM development: Samsung has provided us with the complete source of Android running on the Galaxy S, so it should be perfectly possible to develop ROMs once the device is rooted (which could even be accomplished with the HTC Incredible) and a bootloader can be used for it. At least, that's how far I've understood it.
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Well, concerning Samsung's support, ..... It's got a bed rep because of the way they handle the Behold I and II in the US and some Windows Mobile phones. .....
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Their Symbian phones didn't get the same love as well. I am afraid this is not restricted to one part of the world or one phone or two. It's just Samsung providing almost perfect hardware and crappy software.
The orphan approach is what Samsung keep doing. While, the community suppose to be the one adopting Samsung projects. This kinda lame and I really hate it.
Anyway, back to the topic (somehow).
Does anyone of you heard any news about Samsung Galaxy S Pro?
I am trying to hold for 1 month or two before getting my Android and I am not the type who changes his phone according to a season or his pair of shoes.
Hopefully, the keyboard version comes sooner than latter.
The next thing to wow us is probably gonna be phones with screens that can produce 3D effects
Probably not a good idea to compare how Samsung treats phones with an OS, they have/had to pay for(WM and Sybian) with one that's free(Android). Upgrading those payed for OS' might be much more expensive than the free OS. The higher the cost the less likely anyone would wanna upgrade, no?
Personally I think this is kinda silly. Is there any mobile manufacturer that has a really good trackrecord(aside from possibly Apple)? Seems people moan about the support, or lack of, from all of them...
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Probably not a good idea to compare how Samsung treats phones with an OS, they have/had to pay for(WM and Sybian) with one that's free(Android). Upgrading those payed for OS' might be much more expensive than the free OS. The higher the cost the less likely anyone would wanna upgrade, no?
Personally I think this is kinda silly. Is there any mobile manufacturer that has a really good trackrecord(aside from possibly Apple)? Seems people moan about the support, or lack of, from all of them...
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I think HP used to produce quick update for windows mobile devices. However, they are charging for the update. That for windows 2003se to WM5.
I have bad experience with HTC. They take forever to update.
Another phone I have is O2 XDA mini. I never have any update since the device release.
Silverdragondk said:
Probably not a good idea to compare how Samsung treats phones with an OS, they have/had to pay for(WM and Sybian) with one that's free(Android). Upgrading those payed for OS' might be much more expensive than the free OS. The higher the cost the less likely anyone would wanna upgrade, no?
[3]Personally I think this is kinda silly. Is there any mobile manufacturer that has a really good trackrecord(aside from possibly Apple)? Seems people moan about the support, or lack of, from all of them...
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1- It called Symbian
2- It is open source = Free = Your argument isn't valid for it
3- Agree
S.p.x. said:
1- It called Symbian
2- It is open source = Free = Your argument isn't valid for it
3- Agree
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regardless of the fact i see no reason for them not to upgrade to gingerbread i doubt very serious there would be much hardship, also knowing me if/when this come to t-mobile and i get it i know it will be rooted so im not worrying about updates on a company end.
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1- It called Symbian
2- It is open source = Free = Your argument isn't valid for it
3- Agree
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1 - Apologies. I guess I didn't really press the "m" when I typed Symbian.
2 - It wasn't always, which is why I wrote "have/had" and included it. I don't even know, if Symbian was free when Samsung used it in the Omnia HD...
3 - Good!
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Ok I know that its bad to jump to conclusions on this but I was listening to a recent podcast on Engadget where they were talking about Samsung devices. I saw it on their site and I knew I just had to listen having a Vibrant. I was enjoying their bashing about on things and then they mentioned that a Samsung rep told them that they think of 2.2 as a marketing gimmick. I'm sure that's just some guy who doesn't understand what 2.2 or 2.3 do for our phones.
But what do you think about that? I mean looking at how long it takes to get updates for the phone, does a part of you believe that this maybe true?
What's your thoughts?
hmm i can't post the link since i read more than i post but it's on engadget's site and here's the rest of the URL after .com
/2010/11/13/engadget-podcast-219-11-13-2010/
At about 00:17:25 of the podcast.
it doesn't really matter we get 2.2 or 2.3(your dream only) or not. It only matters they sell it more or even more.
Well, I can almost guarantee that the Froyo update is gonna be held until after the holiday season. T-Mobile is as guilty as Samsung for this. They think that people will opt for the newer phones with 2.2 and don't want their sales diminished by having it available on older handsets.
Personally, I don't think the average consumer cares that much. Only people like us and similar communities keep on top of what each version does better than it's predecessor.
In the end, you're far better off flashing one of the ROMs here anyway. I've got buddies at work still kickin' it with the G1 due to it's versatility. Why would I want the 2.2 update from T-mobile? Crappy TouchWiz, bloatware and all that nastiness. Only thing I can see it useful for is if I wanted to send in the phone for warranty work.
+1 im on the onyx rom right now and tell you the truth the only thing i want an official 2.2 froyo from tmobile would be to iron out the very lil tiny things thats wrong on this rom other than that i can care less ..
as for gingerbread 2.3 im pretty sure we will have it due to the amazing work of people like som, viral, eugene, and master.
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Well, I can almost guarantee that the Froyo update is gonna be held until after the holiday season. T-Mobile is as guilty as Samsung for this. They think that people will opt for the newer phones with 2.2 and don't want their sales diminished by having it available on older handsets.
Personally, I don't think the average consumer cares that much. Only people like us and similar communities keep on top of what each version does better than it's predecessor.
In the end, you're far better off flashing one of the ROMs here anyway. I've got buddies at work still kickin' it with the G1 due to it's versatility. Why would I want the 2.2 update from T-mobile? Crappy TouchWiz, bloatware and all that nastiness. Only thing I can see it useful for is if I wanted to send in the phone for warranty work.
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+1 im on the onyx rom right now and tell you the truth the only thing i want an official 2.2 froyo from tmobile would be to iron out the very lil tiny things thats wrong on this rom other than that i can care less ..
as for gingerbread 2.3 im pretty sure we will have it due to the amazing work of people like som, viral, eugene, and master.
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I am running an unofficial Froyo ROM, and yet to find "wrong", ymmv.
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Ok I know that its bad to jump to conclusions on this but I was listening to a recent podcast on Engadget where they were talking about Samsung devices. I saw it on their site and I knew I just had to listen having a Vibrant. I was enjoying their bashing about on things and then they mentioned that a Samsung rep told them that they think of 2.2 as a marketing gimmick. I'm sure that's just some guy who doesn't understand what 2.2 or 2.3 do for our phones.
But what do you think about that? I mean looking at how long it takes to get updates for the phone, does a part of you believe that this maybe true?
What's your thoughts?
hmm i can't post the link since i read more than i post but it's on engadget's site and here's the rest of the URL after .com
/2010/11/13/engadget-podcast-219-11-13-2010/
At about 00:17:25 of the podcast.
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Well, considering that a Vibrant Froyo ROM already leaked, either that Samsung Rep is full of crap (likely), or Engadget staff is (even MORE likely).
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Well, I can almost guarantee that the Froyo update is gonna be held until after the holiday season. T-Mobile is as guilty as Samsung for this. They think that people will opt for the newer phones with 2.2 and don't want their sales diminished by having it available on older handsets.
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If that were the case, ATT, Sprint, and Verizon would all have released Froyo for their GalaxyS devices. So yeah, I pin the blame on Samsung...
I do find it hard to believe that t-mobile is to blame here considering the other galaxy s devices that have yet to implement as well.
And yes it's true a rom here would be a lot better. Not to say that an official rom would be terrible. All roms have bugs, but you would think by now that samsung would want the best for their consumers. Even if they don't know what 2.2 is. Oh and if you were wondering, yes I'm still on the stock rom. I'm just not ready to redo all my settings on my phone when I update to a new rom.
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I do find it hard to believe that t-mobile is to blame here considering the other galaxy s devices that have yet to implement as well.
And yes it's true a rom here would be a lot better. Not to say that an official rom would be terrible. All roms have bugs, but you would think by now that samsung would want the best for their consumers. Even if they don't know what 2.2 is. Oh and if you were wondering, yes I'm still on the stock rom. I'm just not ready to redo all my settings on my phone when I update to a new rom.
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Yeah, I am frustrated with the Samsung heading into Android as well.
They marketed Galaxy S as a such a great phone (which it is) with the ability to upgrade it to the latest (at the time of the launch) OS within months, yet they have released new hardware - Galaxy Tab - with 2.2, and keep the Galaxy S phone users out dry - thanks to these boards I do not have to rely on them, but I did void the warranty by rooting my device and installing the custom ROM. And now they are already marketing Gingerbread platform that will ultimately become second Google dev phone, and again let everyone dry on a Galaxy S phone market.
I do want to get the real Google phone, and knowing that I don't have to rely on the carriers to release the update for me, but seeing how it will be a Samsung device makes me uneasy.
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I do want to get the real Google phone, and knowing that I don't have to rely on the carriers to release the update for me, but seeing how it will be a Samsung device makes me uneasy.
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Nexus S could be a good thing. Very good hardware, Samsung, combined with the best OS development, Google.
Can't google release the firmwares to our phone?
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I am running an unofficial Froyo ROM, and yet to find "wrong", ymmv.
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Plug in a set of headphones or an AUX cable to a stereo with no microphone built in and make a call. You'll find something wrong then.
Oh yeah, do you have an external SD card bigger than 2gb? If so, try copying more than 2gb of data to it.
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Can't google release the firmwares to our phone?
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Nope, because it is in the hands of Samsung.
Google release the OS to the manufacturers and carriers, and it trickledowns from there.
The exception Nexus One, since it is a Google phone made by HTC.
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Nope, because it is in the hands of Samsung.
Google release the OS to the manufacturers and carriers, and it trickledowns from there.
The exception Nexus One, since it is a Google phone made by HTC.
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According to T-Mobile, Google is the one that pushed out the 2.2 OTA for the myTouch3g 1.0.
Google can't push out updates for phones like the Vibrant, Droid X, HTC Evo, etc. because of TouchWiz, Motoblur and Sense. Google has absolutely no way to update those manufacturer customizations, they can only push stock android to devices.
raduque said:
Plug in a set of headphones or an AUX cable to a stereo with no microphone built in and make a call. You'll find something wrong then.
Oh yeah, do you have an external SD card bigger than 2gb? If so, try copying more than 2gb of data to it.
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I see. That's why I don't see any wrong I am not using that feature.
SD card.
I didn't see that, hmm will see if I can source a bigger card.
Did you try unmounting the card from the phone and mounting back? I had issues when I flashed 2.2 with my external card, but re-mounting on the phone resolved it.
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Plug in a set of headphones or an AUX cable to a stereo with no microphone built in and make a call. You'll find something wrong then.
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mine works fine
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Nope, because it is in the hands of Samsung.
Google release the OS to the manufacturers and carriers, and it trickledowns from there.
The exception Nexus One, since it is a Google phone made by HTC.
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Screw Samsung!! Google releases update quickly than Samsung right?
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Samsung is busy kicking out leading edge hardware with little resources available to post sales support. So far samsung has distanced themselves from competitors while alienating some customers. A mistake maybe, a gamble definitely. Going past the holidays presents the lose of existing customers, they've need to make gesture soon.
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mine works fine
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You're talking about a plain old set of headphones that DO NOT have a mic built in? Or an AUX cable to a stereo (again, with NO MIC)? And you get call audio through the headphones and use the phone's built-in mic?
That's funny, because if so, you're the only one that it works for.
Remember: NO MIC BUILT INTO THE HEADPHONES.
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I see. That's why I don't see any wrong I am not using that feature.
SD card.
I didn't see that, hmm will see if I can source a bigger card.
Did you try unmounting the card from the phone and mounting back? I had issues when I flashed 2.2 with my external card, but re-mounting on the phone resolved it.
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Yeah, you won't see any problems if you use an inline mic, or a headset w/mic. I have a plain, no mic AUX cable to my car stereo - I listen to music, and when a call comes in I answer it and call audio comes through my car speakers and I talk using the phone's built-in mic.
As for the SD, yeah, I tried re-mounting it on the phone, and even formatting it on the phone too, but nothing fixed the fact that it was only showing up as a 2.2gb drive in Windows' Device Manager.
The galaxy s is a fine device with really good hardware.. and I really don't have a big of an urge to have froyo, though it would be nice if i could have it on my phone.. but i think samsung is just behind in other aspects knowing that the mobile industry is very highly competitive... from a business perspective, samsung may be all about their sales and profit while ignoring oring their customers' complaints and needs... it's pretty obvious that majority of smarphone users are not power users, nor do they even know what the android os is, but still, samsung must deliver and execute an effective strategy that can refrain the power users from considering another brand.. htc and motorola are doing well in supporting their devices, samsung must do the same if they want to remain in the competition..
what i dont understand is.. what is preventing them from releasing an update that the end-users yearn for when the tab is already on 2.2 and Europe has it too.. oh, it must the customizations from different carriers that is hindering and prolonging the said update.. ughh..
I wonder what our xda devs think, I feel like many of the awesome devs here couldve led a team to get froyo on the Vibrant and had it done long, long ago. Then again I know nothing about development so I'd be interested to read what the more experienced devs think, is it reasonable for it to take this long in the hands of skilled devs? Or does it seem like an incapable personnel problem at Samsung?
Anyway, i would think Sam would want to release it before xmas because after tethering, flash, more ram, all kinds of improvements its like a whole new generation of SGS it gives them a whole new advertising campaign. At least thats how I see it, when i got froyo for my nexus it was like getting a whole new phone.
Maybe people who dont know better will not miss 2.2, but considering its massive popularity, eventually the very ubiquitous SGS is going to be so far behind that it will become prominent news and even novice Android owners are going to take Samsung's inability to update into account when it comes time to replace their SGS. Surely Samsung realizes this.
Personaly I absolutely love their hardware, Ive had three HTC Androids and this one Samsung and its my favorite hardware, but Samsung is now at least below HTC and Moto when I look for my next phone, updates are way more important than Samsung wants them to be.
Hello
The main reason i sold GS1 was TouchWiz, i love Samsung's hardware but not so much the software. What are the chances of getting AOSP like CM7 on GS2?, or would it be as painful as GS1? which still dosent have a stable AOSP ROM as far as i know
Peace
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The main reason i sold GS1 was TouchWiz, i love Samsung's hardware but not so much the software. What are the chances of getting AOSP like CM7 on GS2?, or would it be as painful as GS1? which still dosent have a stable AOSP ROM as far as i know
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We wont know until the device is released... CM7 was never released for the SGS so it might be touch and go;( But its my belief that if the bootloader can be unlocked or hacked then CM7 will support it... Its gonna be too much of a big phone not to support
JD
Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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That's the USP for you.
For me, it's the hardware: thin, sleek, light. Dual-core. HDMI (or equivalent) +++ Unlockable boot-loader.
The hardware of the rival phones isn't as good and, quite a few manufacturers are in full lock-down mode these days.
Well, that was my thought exactly, that removing Touchwiz will remove all of the cool features and application support. To perhaps better serve your needs, it would be cooler to swap the launcher as suggested by many wise people here. This will give you a better UX while retaining the app support.
JupiterDroid said:
We wont know until the device is released... CM7 was never released for the SGS so it might be touch and go;( But its my belief that if the bootloader can be unlocked or hacked then CM7 will support it... Its gonna be too much of a big phone not to support
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SGS's bootloader isnt locked, and yet there is no stable AOSP ROM around
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Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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I'm still not sure if i'll buy it, as for the so called "critical functionality", i would happily give them up and get rid of the crapware that i dont need, and head for the market for added functionality.
Well, since it is Android, you are more than welcome to do so. Although, more than the critical functionality, the features you are PAYING for are being stripped away. It would be better that you find a Rom that adds these features (motion sensing, etc.) while removing the "Crapware" from the device.
Even if the SGS doesn't have a fully functional cyanogenmod, it has lot's of ROM's that remove touchwiz and crapware.
And CM7 is closer than ever from being stable on SGS, and there's actually a MIUI beta. I would say that the SGS2 will have a good dev support and we'll have a lot of choices in ROM's.
If not, there's always launchers like ADW, launcherpro, Regina...
That should be the least of your worries.
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SGS's bootloader isnt locked, and yet there is no stable AOSP ROM around
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If you read my post it doesn't say at any point that the SGS bootloader is locked I dont think the SGS was supported due to its many faults;/
Cheers...
JD
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If you read my post it doesn't say at any point that the SGS bootloader is locked I dont think the SGS was supported due to its many faults;/
Cheers...
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Got u
Thank you and everyone else for ur input
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I'm still not sure if i'll buy it, as for the so called "critical functionality", i would happily give them up and get rid of the crapware that i dont need, and head for the market for added functionality.
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You are paying heavy premium for these features.
With AOSP, you will lose all proprietary samsung apps and features. That includes codecs, Media player post processing functionality and probably MHL functionality.
Also all Samsung drivers will be lost that mean lots of work for developers to get camera working right, bluetooth, wifi working right.
By the time ASOP which is actually usable comes out, it will be time for next generation hardware.
i was wishing for the ability to use bt joypads to play me some emus but i guess its a no go then
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You are paying heavy premium for these features.
With AOSP, you will lose all proprietary samsung apps and features. That includes codecs, Media player post processing functionality and probably MHL functionality.
Also all Samsung drivers will be lost that mean lots of work for developers to get camera working right, bluetooth, wifi working right.
By the time ASOP which is actually usable comes out, it will be time for next generation hardware.
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that's a good point
i hope samsung will release the drivers
I'd also much rather have an AOSP build, as I just don't like any of the custom overlays, never mind the included bloat- and crapware. Heck, if I had anything to say Android phones would ship without an OS and there'd be a ton (metric, of course) of distribution to choose from.
And no, we're not paying a premium for these "features", since one cannot buy the same (or even similar) hardware without them, for less.
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I'd also much rather have an AOSP build, as I just don't like any of the custom overlays, never mind the included bloat- and crapware. Heck, if I had anything to say Android phones would ship without an OS and there'd be a ton (metric, of course) of distribution to choose from.
And no, we're not paying a premium for these "features", since one cannot buy the same (or even similar) hardware without them, for less.
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But then that would require some standardization. Or every phone maker will have to issue set of drivers that users will have to bake themselves into the rom before flashing the same.
I dont think phone industry is or will be ready for that any time soon.
And you are paying for everything that comes on phone whether you like it or not. Everything costs something and it comes out of your pocket (or Samsung on some parts for superiority claims ).
AOSP usually rolls out faster for HTC phones (most of which share same DNA inside ) or sister devices of Google devices as its much easier.
Expecting AOSP for something as heavily modified as Galaxy S range quickly is unrealistic.
If your beef is against just TWUI launcher, its relatively easy to roll back to stock android launcher by just defaulting to stock android home (easy to do from Manage Applications ).
Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
I used CM7 for about an hour before I sorely missed the Samsung Contacts, Camera, Calculator, Dialer and Calendar.
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Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
I used CM7 for about an hour before I sorely missed the Samsung Contacts, Camera, Calculator, Dialer and Calendar.
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I have no objection to touchwiz myself, except for one thing: I get REALLY excited by the innovations Google brings with each new version of Android. Owning the nexus 1 was/is amazing from that perspective. Every new, brilliant feature, is instantly yours.
Having said that, I like some of the new things Samsung are doing with their skin. I like the gyroscope actions and the resizeable widgets.
I guess what I want is a Nexus S2
I'm going to wait until after Google I/O to see if rumours of a new Nexus surface. If not, it'll be the Galaxy S2 for me. It is a beautiful device.
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I have no objection to touchwiz myself, except for one thing: I get REALLY excited by the innovations Google brings with each new version of Android. Owning the nexus 1 was/is amazing from that perspective. Every new, brilliant feature, is instantly yours.
Having said that, I like some of the new things Samsung are doing with their skin. I like the gyroscope actions and the resizeable widgets.
I guess what I want is a Nexus S2
I'm going to wait until after Google I/O to see if rumours of a new Nexus surface. If not, it'll be the Galaxy S2 for me. It is a beautiful device.
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Even if the phone runs stock Android, you're still not guaranteed updates.
Honestly the whole update thing is a mess anyway.
Samsung provided Gingerbread for the i9000 already, so they have a good track record on updates.
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Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
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Well, to each his own. But that's what I like about Android - choice. There's something for everyone.
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Even if the phone runs stock Android, you're still not guaranteed updates.
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That's true. The only thing stock does in that respect is make updates a little easier.
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Samsung provided Gingerbread for the i9000 already, so they have a good track record on updates.
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You're right about the GB update, even though it was pulled again, but their track record is still pretty bad. Let's all hope it isn't just a fluke.
Bottom line is that most phone vendors care about selling new hardware, for them, updates are a mixed blessing. Too few and nobody will buy their current phones, too many and nobody will want to buy the new model.
Samsung has a great tablet but it is rapidly falling behind others in the updates.
And the BS about only rolling in certain markets to alienate customers.
Who does that?
Who in their right mind thinks that is a great idea?
So everywhere else your paying customers don't get the update they deserve.
Also we still don't have touchwiz, but Samsung is rolling out updates to certain people wtf? Some got Touchwiz, some got Google Movies, mine shows jack / nada / zilch.
Honestly, I don't know what Samsung's logic is for all this but it just sucks.
Stop whining.
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Samsung has a great tablet but it is rapidly falling behind others in the updates.
And the BS about only rolling in certain markets to alienate customers.
Who does that?
Who in their right mind thinks that is a great idea?
So everywhere else your paying customers don't get the update they deserve.
Also we still don't have touchwiz, but Samsung is rolling out updates to certain people wtf? Some got Touchwiz, some got Google Movies, mine shows jack / nada / zilch.
Honestly, I don't know what Samsung's logic is for all this but it just sucks.
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I only see Xoom and TF having HC 3.2 so far. Everybody else is still on 3.1.
It just came out...geez cry me a river...return and get a bulky tab with crappy screen....u sound like those guys on vibrant forum...go pout somewhere else! And most of us are running touchwiz...spend less time complaining about the best tab out and learn to flash.
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take it back and go get yourself an Ipad then
You sir need an I pad..
And you still got a GT 10.1 because...?
i do totally agree with you about Samsung really, really sucking it in the update department. The problem with Samsung is they build really awesome and powerful devices but they just don't build the software to match up with them. That is why we have XDA. Dude you can run touchwhiz and you can update. Just give it some time and you will see some better things on here that Samsung can't even come close to touching. This is a brand new tab and only a few weeks old. Give everyone a chance to pick one up and then this forum is going to blow up.
OP Samsung is a hardware company, google is the one who developed android. Because android does not belongs to Samsung thats why samsung cant do anything about updates and stuff. You can see Apple's updates moves fast because they are both hardware and software manufacturer so they can do fast updates they have one device to fix it. Google has so many devices to take care of and so many regions to consider. So it will take more time than usual. As you can see on samsung website that they uploaded the new drivers for pc and mac which was fast update because that update was in their hand. Samsung has nothing to blame about update if you want to blame then blame google.
Once ics comes out and the source is released there won't be a problem.
you are right about google
But the hardware vendors are responsible for the updates.
So it is Samsung.
Google has no idea how they are going to enforce update policy and there is no guarantee Samsung will even upgrade the 10.1.
i don't understand way people complain about updates. If it is that important root and flash.
A little game I play with fellow android users is ask them what version are they running most don't know or even know how to look.
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A little game I play with fellow android users is ask them what version are they running most don't know or even know how to look.
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I bet most of them would be able to tell you what features are buggy on their device though
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i don't understand way people complain about updates. If it is that important root and flash.
A little game I play with fellow android users is ask them what version are they running most don't know or even know how to look.
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What don't you understand? That I am a tech savy individual but want to have the most up-to-date software on my device in a timely time-frame? Or that I DO NOT want to Root or Flash my Tablet? Be serious. Your telling him to basically get a iPad because they offer updates across the board. That's not a good thing for Android.
DO NOT WANT TO ROOT OR FLASH !!?
WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON XDA THEN ?!! LOLZ
you guys are funny to post these complains here, if you want something official ?
go on Samsung's website/facebook or just send them a bunch of hate mail.
jeeez
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OP Samsung is a hardware company, google is the one who developed android. Because android does not belongs to Samsung thats why samsung cant do anything about updates and stuff. You can see Apple's updates moves fast because they are both hardware and software manufacturer so they can do fast updates they have one device to fix it. Google has so many devices to take care of and so many regions to consider. So it will take more time than usual. As you can see on samsung website that they uploaded the new drivers for pc and mac which was fast update because that update was in their hand. Samsung has nothing to blame about update if you want to blame then blame google.
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Actually 8. 2 iPhone's, 2 iPod Touches, 4 iPad's. #justsayin
Android is to college as the iPad is to high school. It's more work but the rewards are greater.
There are plenty of people happy with the iPad. Personally, I'm not going to settle for a device that my grandmother can use.
I'll never understand why people are so hell bent on having the latest upgrade of the OS on the devices they use. It's an over the top emotional quest for some.
The Galaxy Tab is a tool, a means to the end. It's not the end itself.
These are the same people that get a new car every two years because their car looks dated. It's a status thing that makes no sense.
If you can run the apps you need on the Galaxy Tab then it matters not what version Android is installed.
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I'll never understand why people are so hell bent on having the latest upgrade of the OS on the devices they use. It's an over the top emotional quest for some.
The Galaxy Tab is a tool, a means to the end. It's not the end itself.
These are the same people that get a new car every two years because their car looks dated. It's a status thing that makes no sense.
If you can run the apps you need on the Galaxy Tab then it matters not what version Android is installed.
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I'm sure that's the case for some and I agree with some of what you say, but I can say for me, however, that it is the allure of the promise of improved functionality. Anything that makes my device harder, better, faster, stronger is all right by me. Of course, roms can do that too, but some prefer "official" whether the reason is snobbery, stock OCD, timidness, what have you.
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I'm sure that's the case for some and I agree with some of what you say, but I can say for me, however, that it is the allure of the promise of improved functionality. Anything that makes my device harder, better, faster, stronger is all right by me. Of course, roms can do that too, but some prefer "official" whether the reason is snobbery, stock OCD, timidness, what have you.
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I look outside my office and see 10 cubicles, all with PCs running Windows XP. It's stable and runs like a work horse. And, you know what? They get their job done every day and go home at the end of the week with a paycheck. Never once have they asked for Windows 7.
I simply can't imagine what the next version of Android, or Touchwiz, will do for the average user to make it worth venting about on a public forum simply because they didn't get it NOW.
Well.. yeah the galaxy is an awesome mobile phone, few doubts about it.
But why stall us all and delay the release of ICS? on december 2011 when I bought the note, I was told that the galaxy nexus has a better OS, but that Gnote should get it soon, therefore I bought it.
Having an outdated OS sucks, or at least it sucks when you expect it to actually update. Maybe nextime when we buy a phone we'll tell samsung that in q1 2012 we'll pay but delay them too.
Other than that, my screen has a decent scratch on it... but it doesn't really bother me, so much for gorilla glass.
Oh and with the new firmwares its impossible to record a call by using sanity. Those audio patches just silent the whole phone instead of allowing sanity to record.
i hope i wont get decent scratches on my gorilla glas :O
but u should be always know that samsung isnt the fastest in updating phones
when getting my galaxy s1 i got the update after 6 months promising that the update will come blabla..
i wont rely on samsungsupport anymore cous we have great developers bringing out better roms then samsung ever can!!
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Well.. yeah the galaxy is an awesome mobile phone, few doubts about it.
But why stall us all and delay the release of ICS? on december 2011 when I bought the note, I was told that the galaxy nexus has a better OS, but that Gnote should get it soon, therefore I bought it.
Having an outdated OS sucks, or at least it sucks when you expect it to actually update. Maybe nextime when we buy a phone we'll tell samsung that in q1 2012 we'll pay but delay them too.
Other than that, my screen has a decent scratch on it... but it doesn't really bother me, so much for gorilla glass.
Oh and with the new firmwares its impossible to record a call by using sanity. Those audio patches just silent the whole phone instead of allowing sanity to record.
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Totally agree with you...but about the call recording issue try to flash non stock rom...
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Well.. yeah the galaxy is an awesome mobile phone, few doubts about it.
But why stall us all and delay the release of ICS? on december 2011 when I bought the note, I was told that the galaxy nexus has a better OS, but that Gnote should get it soon, therefore I bought it.
Having an outdated OS sucks, or at least it sucks when you expect it to actually update. Maybe nextime when we buy a phone we'll tell samsung that in q1 2012 we'll pay but delay them too.
Other than that, my screen has a decent scratch on it... but it doesn't really bother me, so much for gorilla glass.
Oh and with the new firmwares its impossible to record a call by using sanity. Those audio patches just silent the whole phone instead of allowing sanity to record.
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You must understand that its not just Samsung that controls the roll out of the updates, they have to coordinate with operators around the world to roll out any updates because of so much operator specific **** that comes along with the phones.
Yes, Samsung can do better but name one OEM who has done better? HTC? Sony (Ericsson)? Motorola? Its all the same in Android club, sir. Only if you have a Google AOSP phone, you can rely on fast updates.
Begs a question- All competing platforms are calculated and reserved with updates- Why does Google has to release one major
OS release every 6 months? Why can't they have consolidated single annual update cycles?
Anyway, you are at XDA- the motherlode! Why do you wait for official updates when there are several talented devs bringing you top notch releases before OEMs do. Just root it and forget it!
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Well.. yeah the galaxy is an awesome mobile phone, few doubts about it.we all agree
But why stall us all and delay the release of ICS? on december 2011 when I bought the note, I was told that the galaxy nexus has a better OS, but that Gnote should get it soon, therefore I bought it. never buy something for what it might become
Having an outdated OS sucks,95% of android devices outthere actually run GB I wouldn't call tht outdated or at least it sucks when you expect it to actually update. Maybe nextime when we buy a phone we'll tell samsung that in q1 2012 we'll pay but delay them too.Samsung doesn't give credit so i guess you'll stay with your old phone
Other than that, my screen has a decent scratch on it... but it doesn't really bother me, so much for gorilla glass.it seems to bother you if not why inform the world
Oh and with the new firmwares its impossible to record a call by using sanity. Those audio patches just silent the whole phone instead of allowing sanity to record.
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Those are all beta, so not perfect
Ics makes a few tweaks thats all not end of the world so what we have to wait im sorry but the phones is excellent regardless its not like ics will make this phone earth shattingly better it will make stuff all difference in the long run.
I cant wait until they release ics. Because i promise you this we will see this type of thread disappear to be replaced with. "why did samsung release this when it has bugs" or "when do we expect jelly bean" or " "Now we have ics do you think samsung will abandon the note with jellybean"
Im sorry to be negative but the note forum has jsut turned into a whinging forum.
Maybe mods could set up a vent your rant thread as not to over inflate this forum any more than it is
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What does ICS really bring to the table that most note users will really need?
The majority of users are not the ones that frequent XDA. The majority of users
just use the phone as a phone, email & internet device.
The "1%ers" try to squeeze every little bit out of it.
I use around 2400 minutes a month on the phone, 2-300 text messages & around 100-200 emails. No games, no huge amount of data. Maybe 1-2 gig per month.
Personally, I'm holding off on ICS until it's been "official" for a few weeks.
GB is tweaked to the point, at least on my device, that it is fast & stable.
You know ICS will need a few revisions before it is really as stable as GB.
If it wasn't for the "1%ers", I doubt these devices would be as good as they are, but, for the majority of users, I just don't see ICS being that big of a deal.
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Those are all beta, so not perfect
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Hey friedje you're so smart... luck must have sent me here to be enlightened by your ingenious comments.
Let's just review your comments the same way you reviewed mine ok?
1.Never buy something for what it might become-wow! I am really thrilled and honored to see such an amazing sentence, too bad its meaningless. Never buy something for what it might become? *cough* BULL****. An update was supposed to be released by now, an update which is considered to be a cornerstone of android's development, or briefly speaking -a major change to the device.
2.95% of androids run gingerbread, perhaps you're right.. can't tell by the way you pull wisdom out your sleeves but.... galaxy note isn't just a normal android device. If I'm not wrong its Samsung's flagship phone, its pricey.. and promising.
3.That scratch doesn't really bother me... I'm honest. I just wanted to comment on the durability of the gorilla glass, or in fact about the allegedly scratch resistant screen that galaxy note has.
But other than that, nice to see that you blindly stick to your galaxy note, and how certain you are that it is flawless. If I had a company or a business I'd be looking for a worker\customer like you to blindly follow me too.
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sorry I forgot to thank you for pointing out that "Samsung doesn't give credit". Did someone say smart-ass?
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OMG not again... just install a custom rom and enjoy ICS. There are a few that are quite stable with S Memo working....
More *****ing and pissing and moaning I see hey? There are LOTS of these threads already so please stop flooding the board with this OVER AND OVER again!!!
Yet another "fkn samsung where's my update" thread... can't you people just wait a month more ? It's just a software update, it's not like your phone is useless without ICS...
Samsung said you will get ICS and you will, Gorilla said the glass is scratch resistant and it is.
So...You are waiting for ICS and you have discovered scratch resistant is not the same as scratch proof.
You seriously need to lighten up.. its a phone dude, not life and death
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Hey friedje you're so smart... luck must have sent me here to be enlightened by your ingenious comments.
Let's just review your comments the same way you reviewed mine ok?
1.Never buy something for what it might become-wow! I am really thrilled and honored to see such an amazing sentence, too bad its meaningless. Never buy something for what it might become? *cough* BULL****. An update was supposed to be released by now, an update which is considered to be a cornerstone of android's development, or briefly speaking -a major change to the device.
2.95% of androids run gingerbread, perhaps you're right.. can't tell by the way you pull wisdom out your sleeves but.... galaxy note isn't just a normal android device. If I'm not wrong its Samsung's flagship phone, its pricey.. and promising.
3.That scratch doesn't really bother me... I'm honest. I just wanted to comment on the durability of the gorilla glass, or in fact about the allegedly scratch resistant screen that galaxy note has.
But other than that, nice to see that you blindly stick to your galaxy note, and how certain you are that it is flawless. If I had a company or a business I'd be looking for a worker\customer like you to blindly follow me too.
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Maybe not flawless, but at least i'm happy with what i bought in december .
So maybe ICS will make it better or maybe not. Maybe tomorrow or
maybe June 30, no need to whine over a top class phone
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What does ICS really bring to the table that most note users will really need?
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Support for Android 3.x and 4.x apps. DriveMount really cool thing. With DosBox Turbo you can play DOS games with USB or Bluetooth mouse at ICS. And many more 3.x and 4.x great apps...
New many awesome settings, like "Hovering pen icon". It's amazingly cool helping feature, I really like it! Of cause other functions like "Force GPU rendering" and other from Android 4 also very helpful. Windows and transition animation scale settings will make a pleasant view for menus and other animations...
Also ICS is incredibly smooth!
I hope someone will fix Tablet mode for samsung stock ICS roms. AOSP good, but it kills many Note features, like stock camera, hovering pen icon, s planner, s memo and other samsung good things...
you know what? I take it back. both the hostile replies against friedje and the whining about not having ICS.
I was just in a mood to express my opinion after logging in every few weeks to check for an update.
all the best everyone!
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More *****ing and pissing and moaning I see hey? There are LOTS of these threads already so please stop flooding the board with this OVER AND OVER again!!!
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Yes, what a bunch of cry babies. Nothing except google branded phones get updates for crap. This should be common knowledge for anyone on XDA.
OTOH, CM9 is running FLAWLESSLY for me. I don't care about FM radio and w/e the other missing things is, whoopdeedoo.
And screen protectors must cost as much as a phone the way people don't wish to protect a 600 dollar device. Where is the sanity? Not in this solar system.
hey, chill...
dont you see the OP man'd up and apologised?.. he deserves props for that, not an ongoing diatribe.
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Yes, what a bunch of cry babies. Nothing except google branded phones get updates for crap. This should be common knowledge for anyone on XDA.
OTOH, CM9 is running FLAWLESSLY for me. I don't care about FM radio and w/e the other missing things is, whoopdeedoo.
And screen protectors must cost as much as a phone the way people don't wish to protect a 600 dollar device. Where is the sanity? Not in this solar system.
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Does the wakeup lag get fixed with ICS, that's all I'm bothered to know.
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Does the wakeup lag get fixed with ICS, that's all I'm bothered to know.
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It's still there, but it's nowhere near as bad.
I feel like the biggest reason we haven't seen the update is simply incorporating the driver's for the S-Pen and it's related things. Also the Galaxy Note runs at a unique resolution compared to everything else so that will cause some differences. If you've used any of the leaks they're pretty close, but they're still far from what I would consider something that should be released for everyone. I went back to CheckRom for my Note and for GB it runs really good. I was using CM9 which ran great, but I missed having the SPen and related apps as that was part of the reason I got the note. I would love ICS to be released right now, but even with GB the Note is still by far the best phone I've used. I love using my Note with Gingebread and Touchwiz more than using my Galaxy Nexus with 4.0.4